A View From The Nosebleeds
The Great MVP Debate
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You know, you had Dijkstra. You know, they called Nast. You had Howard Johnson, Keith Hernandez, right? They're known for like doing coke in the clubhouse. So the winning run is at second base with two out, three and two to Luke E. Wilson. Little roller up along first. Behind the back, it gets through Buckner. Here comes Knight and the Mets win it. Back and filed, obviously, on those runs from '07 to '11. And the four horsemen and all the shit that the Phillies put together in that run was tremendous. You know, getting to watch in person, Roy Allade Crow, a baseball for my team. It was really what kind of built the Phillies up for me. Allade is one strike away. The 0-2, a bouncer, Ruiz, in time, Roy Allade, has thrown a no hitter. And now, the view from the nose bleeds. [MUSIC PLAYING] Welcome, welcome, everybody, to this new angled sports show that we're trying. I'm here with a good friend, Justin Everett. You might remember him from big, big facts back in the day, a couple of years ago. And I reached out to him recently, and thought, you know, I really like arguing sports. I miss sitting at the bar and getting into it with my friends about sports, yelling at each other, busting each other's chops. And it's just a good feeling. It's something that feels normal to me. So I wanted to just take a minute and kind of introduce ourselves in why sports matter to us, why we're fans of the teams that we are. And another thing I'll mention here, it's that there's a million sports shows out there. But I think what makes this unique is I'm a fan of the New York Mets and the Washington commanders, and you're a Philadelphia sports fan. So we're direct rivals. You know, we have a bitter rivalry. We hate each other when playing. And I thought it'd be cool, too. That would be our niche, right? So we'll appeal to the New York market out there, the Washington market, and the Philadelphia market. And that's what we'll mostly stick to. And we'll talk some other sports if we have time at the end. But one of the reasons why I'm a Mets fan, I'm a rabid baseball fan. I don't know if you knew that about me. I obsess over baseball through the home run, the steroid era, when Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa brought it all back to when baseball wasn't so popular, when games are going three hours and 40 minutes, I was watching every single pitch, every single minute. Every single game. I watch 162 games here. I don't miss a single one. I'm a rabid baseball fan. I still think it's the best sport on the planet for a lot of different reasons. And I'm sure we'll talk about that throughout the episodes that we do here. But the reason I'm a Mets fan is my entire family is from New York. They grew up on Long Island, my parents as well. My parents were the first ones to move to Pennsylvania. And my dad left when I was like four years old, right? He was a Yankees fan. So I think subconsciously I wanted to be a Mets fan because he's a piece of shit. [LAUGHTER] But one of the first childhood memories I have is going to Shea Stadium. It was '86 or '87. So the Mets were really good. And they had this brand to them, this gritty brand. You had Dykstra. They called him Nails. He had Howard Johnson, Keith Hernandez, right? They're known for doing Coke in the clubhouse in the midst of a pennant race. It was just a different brand of baseball back then. They played every single day. They didn't sit out for months because they had a tweaked hamstring. Pictures went-- it strived to go nine innings. They lost their shit if they got taken out. So anyway, be in there at Shea Stadium in that dingy old crap that smelled like piss. It smelled like sewage. The food was terrible. But there was something about Shea Stadium that was magic when the Mets are in a pennant race. The whole stadium just shakes. I don't know if it's because it was poorly constructed. Didn't care. Again, much like me, they're rabid fans. And it was a big stadium. I don't know if you've ever been there. But it was a lot like the vet back in the day. Yeah, sure. They're still similar buildings. I do want to give you-- I'll start by giving you a pass. At least you're related to people there. That's the only pass that I'm willing to give. Most Philadelphians are way more ravenous than me. It won't give you any passes. But I can give you the pass of if you're related in. It's the people who aren't that bother me. But I can give you a pass through your Mets fandom. I do-- I get the feeling you're discussing. Because I think randomly, right now-- and I'm not trying to start off by telling you how bad your Mets are. But right now, in the last five years' time, the craziest place to be for postseason and anything is the Citizens Bank Park. So I get it completely. I understand how that wraps you up, especially when you're young and you experience it first. For the first time, yeah. I was 17 when the Phillies won the World Series. And I'll never forget till 4 in the morning that night in the city after it happened. And what came of that, like what the emotions were. And it is something that I'll draw you in. But I do give you a pass. I have to-- I'll just try to get out some of my notes. You're making fun of you. You're being a Mets fan. No, I appreciate it. I'm OK with that. Well, not only am I related to people that are Mets fans and went to Shea Stadium, Mike Cousins' uncle had the plumbing contract for Shea Stadium. So we got box seats. So another memory I had is sitting right behind the first base dugout watching Hojo hit two home runs and doing a curtain call. That was something that was really unique to New York for a while, that curtain call coming out and just throwing the helmet up in the crowd. That's amazing. Yeah, I get it. I'm starting to suffer like I have. But you've had moderate success at least recently. Yes, we're better than you right now. But who knows how long that lasts? Who knows? I think both teams now have better ownership. So hopefully it's a little bit more consistent. And then as far as Washington goes, I wasn't really a football fan. I didn't have anybody around to sit down and watch football and explain it to me. It was a foreign concept to me. I didn't make sense. I had no interest in it until my mom remarried. We sat down and we watched the '92 Super Bowl, which, of course, was they were at the Redskins at the time, Buffalo Bills, who were straight Super Bowls. I don't think we'll ever see that again. But I just-- I mean, being in awe of that Joe Gibbs offense-- I was a little bit older, obviously. But so it was easier for me to grasp and understand what was going on. But I just fell in love with the Ricky Sanders, the Gary Clark's, the Charles Mann, the Hogs. Seeing those grown men dress up in Moomoo's and putting the Hogs noses on. The song, "Hail to the Redskins." It's just that feeling. Every time I watch you, now that the commander's game, I still go back to that feeling, just like I do with the Mets game. So that's my story. I'd like to hear yours. I know it's a little bit-- most people grow up liking their hometown teams, but there's usually an emotional connection to it as well. Yeah, I mean, my sports journey started for me with basketball. It will always be my first love of sports, and it'll be my last one. I am a die-hard Sixers fan, and the Celtics suck, and they'll always will. I don't care how many times they win. I started with basketball probably around the age of 9 or 10, Al and Iverson years, where there was something to be excited about, which is always easier to get involved. I don't come from a family where there was a lot of sports around. I've also come from a pretty shitty father, so we share that in common. My uncle started having weekend barbecues when I was probably around 12 or 13. And they were centered around Eagles games. That's when he first started having these Eagles games, and when the fall comes, that's when we'd kick them off. And then we'd have get-togethers, sort of. But I was spoiled. I will admit I'm 33, so my core memory years of building for the Eagles, even though he's the most overrated quarterback in NFL history, was Donovan McNabb and reaching a couple of title games and getting to a Super Bowl, and the TO drama. And like you, I like to argue, so anytime there's a team filled with as much drama as the Eagles have been, it's just an easy sell for me. And the Phillies for me, Manny, was, again, like I've always paid attention to baseball, but I was sort of a third sport for me. I was one of those people that the new rule changes really helped because I cannot sit and watch anything for four hours. I don't want to watch a game that goes to the 21st inning at four in the morning. There's no draw to that for me. In a very vacuum situation of game seven of the World Series, the coolest shit to happen once. But every other game, I mean, it starts in 305 first pitch and it's 11.40 by the time it's over. It was too much for me. But I got involved. A couple of years. Oh my, it's been great. But I got, I did get back involved, obviously, on those runs from 0.7 to 11. And the four horsemen and all the shit that the Phillies put together in that run was tremendous. You know, getting, getting to watch in person, royale day throw, a baseball for my team is, it was really what kind of built the Phillies up for me. And now today, while the NBA will always be my darling, I think I'm more into the Phillies than I am the Eagles. We'll get into that with our topics today 'cause I'm not a happy Eagles fan, but it is much more regular for me. I grew up in an area that was all Philadelphia. A lot of my family were really into the flyers in hockey, which I loved as a younger kid. I kind of fell out of love with in my adulthood. It just didn't draw me in like the rest did. But my wife's family also, and my wife's grandparents live in a house that 40 years ago was adjacent to Paul and Grinn. They were very involved with the flyers. It was a big thing for her family also. And this is just a story of being a Philadelphia, you know? I'm from closer to the city where I grew up. So it's when you're in the ethos of that city, man, if you're in a suburb of Philadelphia, Delaware County, you are born, bred, and raised in Eagles fan to make more Eagles fans, or you're a rat in a Cowboys fan. That's what we have where I come from. And you're beating unmercifully for your entire life. - One, you would say justifiably, but yes, correct. - Because one thing I remember as a kid too, I would borrow my uncle's recap of the 1986 season, the VHS tape. I used to watch it five or six times a day, Justin. I was obsessed. He had to buy a new one because the thing wore out. - Yeah, dude, for me, the six was running on one. That was for me. I was still today. I'll watch it today. I'll go find the 45 minutes, 50 minute YouTube video of just the highlights of that run, just for fun sometimes, man. 'Cause it does. It brings you back to the moment where you really got bit into something. Something took you over. It is, sports is transcended, all the rest. We might not be able to get along and have a fun argument about politics, but we certainly can hate each other's Mets and Phillies fans happening. - Yeah, and then be friends afterwards, because they're able to deny the moments in sports history. One that sticks out for me as a Mets fan is when Piazza hit the walk-off home run right after 9/11. - For all of us, here, I hate the Mets, sobbing. - Yeah, I hate the Mets. If I'm very frequent, one of my turns of phrase I use all the time, which I will hear is, fuck the Mets, I'm from Philadelphia. That's how we feel. But at that moment, is it one of those moments, man, where it didn't matter who you liked, who you rooted for. It's one of those things that feels scripted because it's too perfect, you know? - Exactly, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. And sports has so many of those moments. And one thing I will say, and then we'll get into what we're talking about today, I will say despite our bitter hatred for each other's teams, I think Philadelphia and the New York Mets specifically share a lot of things in common as far as who their fan base is at the core. Because you know, you got the Yankees who are, you know, the elitists, you know, they'll always be. Even though Steve Cohen, you know, has just as much money as the Steinbrunners, he can buy just as many players. There's something about the gritty, lovable loser Mets who are always coming from behind, they're always the underdog. And it's very similar to Philadelphia teams, right? They're written off before they even get a chance to show what they're about. - Well, and the ethos of Philadelphia sports, that's the Eagles compared to the Phillies. Like in Philadelphia, it doesn't matter where you go or what you do, the Eagles are the number one draw, the number one team, the thing everybody cares about the most. And the Phillies have always been kind of rejected for that. You know, they've always been the ones that have to, until they were in a World Series in 2008, no one cared. The 13,000 people draw us throughout the whole regular season. They make the playoffs and in the first round, I think they had 21,000. And then they start, you know, actually playing and people have to see it. The Eagles are a different monster, man. The Eagles could win three games a year and they're like Jets fans. They're just dumb, we're dumb fans. We'll love our team no matter what. And like, I'm a little bit more honest, I think, than my, some of my home or friends, but they are, the Phillies and the Mets do have that together. The Yankees are the big brother of the Mets and the Eagles are the big brother of the Phillies. It doesn't matter. The Phillies could win five straight World Series and the Eagles could lose every game for five years. The Eagles will still after all the Phillies every day. - Well, they both become baseball towns for sure. And obviously football is very popular in New York too. So, and we will talk basketball. It's just, I don't follow it as much. I don't have an emotional connection to a basketball team. I was a huge Jordan fan. So I rooted for the Bulls as a kid. I thought, you know, it was amazing that those two runs that they went on. It's just, I don't know if we'll ever see anything like that again. But I think we've already seen something better than that. And I think we're starting to see the next better thing. But we can argue about basketball. We could talk about how LeBron unseated Michael and how most likely Victor Wemaniam was going to unseat LeBron. - Well, that could be. I mean, he did some fucking, I mean, he's an alien. - He's an alien. - He's an alien. - He's not a real person. - Yep. - But mainly I wrote the route for a good story. I like the drama. I like, so I will follow that. So we'll definitely talk basketball and some other stats here. - Well, you mean a Celtics fan. So we'll be, no, no, no, I can kind of give a shit about the Celtics. All right. - Obviously the first thing that we have to talk about here, because, you know, again, not you, because you are, I will agree, at least more down to earth and you live in reality compared to other Eagles fans. But every single year, according to Philadelphia, you know, the Philadelphia sports fans and the talk shows, they've already won the Super Bowl. - Sorry. - Every fucking year. - Yeah. - Well, I mean, isn't it funny how both of our teams are one in one and you're pissed and I'm excited. - So well, it shows that you're coming from the baseball. - Yeah, you're coming from the basement, Jeffrey. It's easy to be happy on an upswing. We're not sure where the fuck we are right now. Okay. So facts are facts with me. And there's no question that was a bad loss for a lot of reasons. I can't take the Saquon Barkley single-handedly lost the game because he stumbled the football. I can't take the Jalen Hertz through a bad pass that was intercepted and the game. None of that's relevant. Here's the problem. The problem is Nick Sirianni should've been fired six months ago. Nick Sirianni's the problem. He's a common denominator of all of the downfall and all of the destruction of every open dream as Eagles fans have for the last three years. You can pin on Jalen Hertz if you want to. I would understand somebody criticizing Hertz's play over the first couple of weeks. I was down after the win two weeks ago, just very clear. I was sounding fire alarms two weeks ago. It didn't look great. No, and they don't. And I have to, you have to, at a certain point, you've got to look at management, right? We all have jobs. If we're doing bad at our job, it's our fault. We're doing everything we can with the tools that we're given and it's not working out. Maybe somebody else has a little bit of a hand in this. And to me, Jalen Moore has certain pieces of this offense he's been given. You can see it in these first two games. There is some motion, there's some spontaneity, there's some stuff that's good. But 90% of this offense is the same thing they brand with Jalen Hertz since Nick Sireani took over this team. Friend of mine, right after the third down and eight quarterback draw, designed play, after a failed quarterback run, designed play, this is our beef as competent Eagles fans. If you want to be successful with Jalen Hertz, you can't run them into the ground. Washington fans, no, just look at RG3. And hopefully not this new kid that's going to be good. But there's too much talent here. And Pelen Moore has done way too much with way less for me to believe that the offensive struggles are him. It's very clearly whatever fingerprints Nick Sireani is still given. What I will say is a positive. The defense looks competent, which is a big step up for us Eagles fans 'cause last year was a fucking nightmare. A nightmare, two different coordinators. No one knew what the jargon and the language was. No one knew what the cadence or the call counselor. It was a nightmare last year. Vic Fangio's gotten confidence because they played in the preseason, which is great. I feel like we're going to need six weeks, seven weeks, eight weeks for this offense to figure it out because I feel like we're in the same boat we were a couple of years ago with Shane Steichen, where Nick Sireani tried to do it his way. After five or six weeks, it just didn't work. And all of the reins were given over to Shane Steichen, who's now a head coach of the Indianapolis Colts. And I think the same thing's going to happen with Jalen Moore eventually. Nick Sireani should have been fired six months ago and I would drive this car to the airport to drop him off to wherever his next city is and fire him today. - Man, you guys run coaches out of town just as much as Washington does. Only two Super Bowl, three coaches that took that team to a Super Bowl, you ran out of town. - Yeah, I do, you can't-- - I'm not the fan. - We're not the fan. - We're a hard fan base, man. And again, you gotta understand we're an educated fan base for the most part. There's a lot of homers we agree, but most of us know football because it's a part of what we're raised with. And I think Helen Keller could tell you that Nick Sireani's the problem. I don't know how you could make an argument that it's anyone else. And what would you rather do? Would you rather move on from Nick Sireani, give a young, bright mind like Helen Moore, the reins? Or would you rather go find another quarterback? And I know you know, that's not the right answer. - It's not easy. - No, no, and you know, the offenses has become predictable. You know, when Steichen was running it, you didn't know what was coming. Now, as a Washington fan, it's like, I knew that not that our defenses were ever any good, but I knew that they weren't gonna be good that day. You know, because you just didn't know what was coming, right? You knew that that hurts, could run the ball, but you didn't know when. Now, you know that chances are, you know, if the drive lasts more than three or four plays, you know there's gonna be a quarterback drawing. You just know it doesn't have it anymore. This is my other problem would do with malfeasance, right? Not to in Miami levels, because they are complicit in whatever bad things happen to that guy at this point. - Oh yeah. - But here, Jalen, Jalen hurts hurt his knee in the second or third week last year. He had a deep bone bruise that he dealt with all season. That happens because you're putting him in positions to hurt himself. Did we invest $240 million? So this guy spends seven games a year out because he keeps hurt himself. Why are we putting him in this position to begin with? And to me, that common denominator of those plays, oh, as my whole life is an Eagle fan, is Nick Siriani. Kellen Moore didn't run that with Dak Prescott and he had a mobile quarterback. Justin Herbert wasn't mobile, but he could move. There was no quarterback designed runs. They hated that's not Kellen Moore's offense. That's Nick Siriani's offense and it's a problem. - It should be sprinkled in there. I mean, I think there's enough data, enough proof over the past, what, 20 years since Michael Vick, who was immensely talented, couldn't stay on the field. - Correct. - And I gotta tell you, we were all of us that were on the right side of the draft a couple of years ago with P. Sean Robinson, the correct side of the draft. We all got proved right 'cause that kid is an animal. And if he stays on the field, he is gonna be a top three running back for the next six seasons. - You know, I didn't put it on the list for the third segment, but it touched down. - Passing touchdowns are down by a huge amount in the first two weeks. It's a small sample size. - I have my own statistic. We'll get to passing touchdowns. - I think the running backs are making a comeback here. - Well, they have to, I mean, I look at lives of pendulum, right? We swing all the way to the right side in this passing league where Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are throwing for 6,000 yards and 52 touchdowns. Eventually that thing is gonna swing back. Now we're not gonna go back to three yards in a cloud of dust Jim Brown days, but we're gonna adjust a little bit further to the other side because this is what sports and football is. You've got to be whatever they're expecting, you need to do something different. And right now every defense is schemed, built, and drafted and trained to stop the pass. And if you've got it running back in an O line that can do it, why not? You're gonna win most games. - I think you and I are in agreement that, you know, the quarterback and the coach have to get along and that's on the adult in the room. The head coach has to be the adult. So I agree with you that this is probably whatever issues are going on with that team. It's Sirioni first. Is any of this on, on Hertz? - He's not played great. I don't want to give him credit that he doesn't like deserve. I will say have an AJ Brown out last week, like last minute, probably wasn't helpful for whatever they schemed in that offense. And I really I can't until I can see Jalen Hertz operate like he did with Shane Steichen where he's given an offense by a coordinator that is not seven plays of Nix and then five plays of Kellens and go back to what we did in 2022. Until I know for sure, which I don't think we can, that Nix is not making these calls, I don't think that Jalen bears most of the blame. Is he playing great? Of course he isn't. But if you're getting put in a bad position consistently, if you're getting calls ran into your helmet that are gonna fail and what can you do? You know what I mean? I guess he's culpable, but not to a level where I think where it's his responsibility or something major that we can change in it. - Well, you know, it's, this team, Philadelphia is talented enough that they should be able to win without A.G.A. pretty. - Without question, 100% true, absolutely. - At least for a game or two. - At 100%, it's week two in the season also. We're not talking about the divisional round of the playoffs or the end of the title game where you need everybody and you need them to be the best. Week two against the Atlanta Falcons, you should be able to be down one of those premier receivers you have and still make it. - Yeah. All right, let's move on to Washington's dominant win. - You better kill out. - Residing in the first place in the NFC East over the New York football giants. Look, the Giants are the first team. This is my favorite statistic ever in the history of the world. The Giants are the first team to score three touchdowns, not allow a single touchdown and still lose. - Which is nuts. - That is just one of, this is nothing to do with football, but my favorite statistic I've ever heard in my life happened a couple of weeks ago, where a show Hayo Taney's season got ranked. It's the best offensive season we've seen in some years or something, and it only qualifies as Barry Bonds's 11th best offensive season of his own career. I love statistics like this. I have some statistics for you though, Jeffrey. - We'll have to get into some Barry Bonds discussions 'cause the greatest baseball player of all time and nobody will get into the different-- - It's really hard to argue that, even with steroids, but-- - He's the only guy I've ever seen in my life have two Hall of Fame careers in one. Nobody has ever done it before. No one's ever gonna do it again. Can I have some statistics? - He's also the only baseball player to have two completely different hat sizes over the course of his career. - That is fair, that is true. And jersey sizes and dance sizes and maybe shoe sizes. I don't know how much they're going to make you grow, but I have some statistics for this dominant Washington victory. - All right, Washington five sacks allowed the Giants one. - Yeah. - Washington 10 penalty is the Giants five. Final scored 21 to 18. - Right. - Now-- - And the Giants didn't have their kicker either, lost the kicker on the first plate of the game. - I understand that we are operating from a Washington football team perspective of success and dominance. But even in that subjective world, I don't think we can call this dominance, Jeff. - That's crazy. - Let me hit on the sacks. Part of that is a rookie QB holding the ball two on. Part of it, it's a terrible offensive line. - Yes. - I should say terrible. It's a much better offensive line than it was last year, but there's a young luck tackle that was a guard in college and they're trying to work him in slowly. And the other, Cornelius Lucas plays left tackle as well. He's very limited in what he can do. Andrew Wiley, who they sign thinking that he was coming off a Super Bowl win from Kansas City. He was going to be the greatest thing since sliced bread is a bum. He's terrible. - Well, that happens, man. When you're quarterback's Patrick Mahomes, he makes a lot of really bad players look real fucking good. - Absolutely, yeah. That needs to be taken into consideration. As far as the penalties go, they're not inexcusable, especially since seven of those penalties happened while they were in the red zone driving, yeah, they were in the red zone seven times and didn't score a touch or six times and they didn't score a touchdown. - That's insane. - It's embarrassing. - Not good. But again, I will give you, I do, I am reasonable. I believe Jayden Daniels is gonna be a great player. I think you have a real quarterback for the first time in my lifetime playing against the Washington football team. I think he's way better than RG3 ever could have been. I think he's got real quarterback skills. The question is gonna be if he develops. And I know Terry McClaren's a great player, but unless you build out an offense around him, my fear would be whatever his maximum potential is, you're never gonna come close to. 'Cause when I'm starting to realize in these some of these quarterbacks, you've got two or three years maximum to get them to where you need them to be. Otherwise, they're all guard in your windshield and you're never winning with one of those guys. - Yeah, yeah, it's a, you know, and teams are moving off them quicker than ever. Year, year and a half, two years at the math. The most, well, can he pick it? - Yeah, well, can he pick it was a terrible pick from that beat, he wasn't a first round talent. - He was a fifth round talent offense. - I don't disagree, but it shows you how desperate teams are for quarterbacks, yeah. - Yep. - Well, luckily we didn't have to trade up for him or anything like that. We were in perfect position to go right here's, here's what he passes the eyeball test, right? I forget about stats or how he looks like he was born to do this. RG3 didn't. RG3 was clunky, he was wiry, his legs flailed around as if independent from his body. He, he fell weird, he could like every, every hit he took, it looked like he was going to explode. Yeah, it was flailing and clunky and it didn't look natural. Everything with Jaden Daniels is smooth. Even the hits he takes. All the, albeit you're gonna see some, he took some big hits in college that he shouldn't have taken, but it looked like he knew how to take a hit. He knows how to run. The thing people don't realize about RG3, yeah, his straight line speed was fast. Go back and watch highlights of him trying to escape a pocket. It was embarrassing. Yeah, he couldn't. Yeah, I agree. And the way he throws a ball was just, it was, so RG3 caught people by surprise. And in part of it was the genius, the geniuses of the Shanahan. Yeah, they just, they are amazing coaches. And they are probably the best coaches who would take what they have at build around that and build towards their strength. So they knew that RG3 couldn't read a defense, right? It was one read and go. So they brought back the read option and defenses weren't ready for that. It wasn't gonna last forever. Yeah, it's unfortunate that those Shanahan's just can't win the big one, but yeah. Yeah, well, you know, Mike did, he won the one too. Yeah, yeah, I'll do this. 112, stop. We'll get to the Niners in time, don't you worry. Look, stop, speaking of just noticing talent, I wanna say like, you know, Dan Quinn, I thought it was a good hire. I don't think it was our first choice, despite what they say. I was infuriated week one when we were getting blown out and they had a designed run into the end zone with Jane Daniels, what the dude throw the ball, right? What's the point? Who cares, who's gonna touch the game? Why are you putting it into the game? Why are you taking a chance? But I was just, before we got on, I would have loved it if they would have been like, you know what, Dan Snyder was ridiculous, we're gonna rehire Jay Gruden. Jay Gruden has the greatest eye for coaching talent I have ever seen. Do you realize how many head coaches that are currently working in the NFL that are successful, that were on his staff? How many? Like four. Okay, who are they? Kevin O'Connell. Okay. Matt LaFourer. Okay. Sean McVay. Okay. And... - She had one. - Sean McVay, the Sean McVay, the, the... Oh, no, I'm sorry, Sean McDermot is the one that came through Andy's coaching tree. Continue. - Yeah, yeah. - I'm just, I'm keeping, I'm tabulating one versus one versus the real coaches that built trees. That's what I'm trying to figure out. - He didn't have much of a chance. Do I say Kevin O'Connell? - Yes. - No, it's three. Zach Taylor... - Okay. - Came from McVay's... - Sure. - Sure. - Secondary, sure. - So, look, I'm not taking anything away from those guys and the games that they won in the regular season in the national football. - They won a Super Bowl. - I am... - And Shanahan, Shanahan. It wasn't Jay Gruden's, but Shanahan was in Washington staff. It was Mike Shanahan's staff. So there's the fourth one you saw. - But like, why, what is it about fans of, they're not third world. Second world franchises. I do not all the way through. You're not a Jets fan. What is it with fans of second world teams that want to retread guys that looked good for a bad franchise? Like, don't do that to yourself. - I think Jay Gruden got such... He did so much with so little. Bruce Allen was the president of football operations. The dude did not give a shit about winning. He did not give a shit. He just liked the title, yeah. Dan Snyder was, I think we could agree, maybe the worst owner in sports history. - Well, the last worst one, yes. There's probably worst before we degree, but he's terrible. And listen, I want to tell you straight up, I know very intimately, don't expect a lot that Josh Harris isn't going to be in the news, but he's not better. - Well, he owns the Devils too, right? Didn't make him a lot of success with the Devils. - Yeah, his own the Devils. - Yes, he owns the fucking... No, he owned the Sixers and then bought two competitors of Philadelphia as what he fucking did. But yeah, yes, he lit now. I'll give you this much on the basketball sense. He knows how to hire guys who know what to do. Same thing he did with the Devils. The Devils did well for a while. They, of course, capitalized too late. He only had the team for so long. A lot of their guys were aging already. The Devils could have been a lot better if Josh Harris got there sooner, because he's good at putting people in positions that know what they should do. But he's not that guy. I thought that was a great hire for what you're doing. You don't want some dynamo, young, offensive guy that's going to put Jayden Daniels in all these fucked up wacky offenses. You want to be able to build the team the right way fundamentally? I thought it was a great hire when it happened. - Yeah, and Cliff Kingsbury. I'm not happy with the offense in the first two weeks. It seems very basic, very boring. But I realize that we're early on. He's got a period too. - And I think it's got to be. If you want Jayden Daniels to be as good as he can be. - You don't want to let him get those basic shit down. You're not going to win the Super Bowl this year, right? Like this is what you've got. This was Jayden. Jaylin Hurts taken over for Carson Wentz. I knew that next year we weren't winning the Super Bowl. It was about making sure you develop your players right. Don't put them in bad positions. Don't get them hurt. And at least get the fundamentals under them. And I think that's the right thing to do. And I said before this draft, and I might be wrong. 'Cause Caleb Williams does look like the real deal. I never liked the consensus number one quarterback. I think they're almost always wrong. I.E. Trevor Lawrence. I've been saying that for five years now. I thought that Jayden Daniels was the best quarterback out of this class. Caleb Williams might be by a hair, but I think those two are the same type of peak player. I think those two guys can be legitimate franchise, 15-year starters if they're developed the right way. And unfortunately, Caleb plays for the Bears. So it's Jayden and nobody really at this point. - Talk about a cursed franchise when it comes to quarterbacks. Like, you know, Williams, he's got three. I mean, horses at receiver. Like, I know he's young. He should look a little bit better than he has the past two weeks. But it's, again, it's early. We'll see. I don't think they have the right coach there. - I agree with him. I like your quarterback, though. Yeah. All right, we will take a quick break. We're gonna come back and we're gonna talk baseball. Sounds great. - Owning a rental property sounds like a dream. Collect a rent and relax. That is until you realize how much work goes into getting it ready. First, you need to conduct market research to understand local rental trends and determine a competitive rent price. Then there's cleaning, staging, repairs, and hiring a professional photographer. Next, develop a marketing strategy. List the property on rental sites. It's going to kill the showings. 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I'm Victoria Cash. Thanks for calling the Lucky Land Hotline. If you feel like you do the same thing every day, press one. If you're ready to have some serious fun for the chance to redeem some serious prizes, press two. We heard you loud and clear. So go to luckylandslots.com right now and play over 100 social casino style games for free. Get lucky today at luckylandslots.com. No purchase necessary. VGW Group, void rep prohibited by law. 18 plus terms of condition supply. - Welcome back, time to talk baseball, which this is exciting because both of our teams are in the hunt here. And I can't wait to play you. I'm so excited. - I'm excited too. I mean, we just had a series, you guys took it. It was close though. You know, you took one series. - It was. - And we should have won that second game. bullpen blew it. I mean, what an interesting season. I mean, nobody picked the Phillies to have the best record in baseball and they've had several times throughout that. They were so dominant for the first two months and then they've been streaky, you know? - Yeah. - Still very, very good team, hard to beat. They got a lot of pieces and when they are healthy and clicking, I don't, it's going to be tough to compete with them. Nobody gave the Mets a chance. - Not even the Mets. - No, no, even the owner, the die-hard owner, Mets fan, said, "It's fine with building it." - The Braves lost two thirds of their best players. - Nobody still put the Mets on them. - No. - Yeah, but they've had the best record in baseball since May 30th. That's the majority of the season. They are beating good teams. They're not just beating up on, you know, the Nationals and Marlins and the Braves who don't have half their team. They're beating solid good pitchers. - One nice part about how they schedule now where it's not 15 times against the Washington Nationals. I love that about what they did now. - You do like it. - I love it. I think it's a, I want competitive sports. Like I thought, do you know how, first of all, I have two reasons why. I like competitive sports and got bored about watching the Phillies beat the Nationals 13 out of 15. I also hate that the Miami Marlins, just for some reason, are the best team in history as soon as they play the Phillies. I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's in their heads. I don't know if they just mail those in and that's the tampering in betting. I don't know why, but I hated it because they'd always lose that series against arguably the worst team in baseball every year. I love it. I love seeing the best players in any league playing against each other. If we could have the All-Star game all the time, I'd love that. The best talent is what I want to see all the time. - That's a fair point. We'll talk a little bit about the new baseball rules in the third segment. I'll save my rebuttal to that. But, you know, Matt's two games up in the wildcard, a tough road ahead of them. They played the Phillies four times, Atlanta three times. They finish up at Milwaukee. So those are no cake walks. And Lindor is, you know, he's day in the day at a bad back, but he's the heartbeat of that team right now. No one had the Mets competing. My question to you is from a, as a Phillies fan, do you think first year manager, Carlos Mendoza should be manager of the year if the Mets get to the playoffs? - No, not be, but votes for sure. My three right now are topper. Best record in baseball, hard to keep him out. David Roberts is always gonna be involved as long as the Dodgers are winning 95 plus games a year. I don't like Aaron Boone 'cause I think, first of all, we all hate the Yankees. We can clear that up. Even when they deserve it, they don't deserve any awards. Fuck the Yankees. But I have, I believe what Mendoza's pulled off with a team that should have been 35 games under 500 based on everyone's predictions. I think you should be, he should be in the three. I don't think that it's likely he wins. One, you're the Mets, that's, I'm sorry. I'm the Phillies, I deal with it too. One, you're the Mets. Two, you're not gonna have the best record in baseball. Three, they're not gonna be a division winner. Four, even though they did something they shouldn't. The first or second wild card spot, I don't think is enough to push that over. Now, if the Phillies, the Dodgers and the Yankees, all shit the bed the rest of the year and some magical thing happens where the Mets come in and win the division and maybe get close to that best record or second best record, maybe it's different. But if it ends the way it's gone, I don't think so. - You know, I disagree completely. Look, take Dave Roberts and Aaron Booner. Their teams were expected to be where they are. If anything, the Dodgers have underperformed a little bit considering, you know, they've had some injuries and stuff like that, but they have literally the two best position players in baseball, Mookie Betts and Joe Heo-Tani, or he's not a position player, but he's, you know-- - Careful. - Offensive players. - Careful, Jesus Christ. Don't give the Dodgers that much credit, first of all. Not the two of the, I'll give you. Two of the top seven, maybe. Mookie Betts is not the best position player in baseball anymore. We've moved on for Mookie. - I agree with you. - Who is? - I agree, you're not gonna like my answer. Give me one second, let's finish this part. We can argue about that. I agree with you that Davey Roberts and Aaron Boon should not even be considered. I don't agree about Thompson only because no one had the Phillies with the best record in baseball. No one thought the Phillies were gonna be 25, 30 games over 500. Everyone assumed it was gonna be an '87, '88, '89 win season. - The one first one, yeah. - We'd get into the wild card and we'd make magic happen again. They overachieved in my opinion. It could be that the Dodgers underachieved. I don't really care which one's right. I just don't find it feasible that he could. If I had a vote, right, and it ended right now, I would have a really difficult time not voting for a Mets team that should not be where they are. But I have a hard time convincing myself out of that. - Well, keep in mind, I mean, your pitching staff is stacked, right? You're welcome for Zach Wheeler, by the way. Other than time on Walker. Who's not having a good season on that step, right? - Well, Aaron Nola, not a good one. - He's not having a Nola season. - But he's having a Nola season is what he's doing. Where are we? We're the last three, four starts of the year. And he looks like he's thrown 700 innings this year. Happens every year with Aaron Nola. Why they don't make him go on a six-day rotation? I don't know, it's the money. I don't give a shit. He breaks down. Like Nola is not an ace. - But he is part of the reason why you're here in this position. - Yes, but he's not an ace. Zach Wheeler is an ace. They're a different kind of pitcher. - Oh, yeah, I know I agree with that. - These fucking morons on Philadelphia Sports Talk Radio who talk about how we have two aces or maybe three because Sanchez has been great and Rangers a good defender. You have one ace on the staff. Zach Wheeler is the only pitcher on this team. It or in the bullpen, I'll even go that far. - Well, you mean three hours. - If you need three hours, you're gonna count. - He's done it for two years straight now. - Rangers very good. He's a very good player. He's not an ace. He is not on that level. The pitching stack is very good as a whole. The bullpen scares the shit out of me. I know Matt Strom did it last year and looks like he's doing it again. I know Hoffman's similar situation. Jose Alvarado is a schizophrenic. Is anybody I've ever met in my life? I never know who he's gonna be. And Carlos Estebes looks okay. I don't think he can get a save without giving up a hit. That worries the shit out of me. - I feel like the fabric closer though. - Yeah, well, I think they do it on purpose. - But look at what the Phillies have done for the last couple of years in these runs. They've not had a closer. They're not been a guy. It's a match up thing and it's worked for them. Their pitching staff is very good. If they're not elite, they might be the best in baseball, but that's more of an indictment on how bad pitching is, not how good the Phillies are. - Yeah, not necessarily how bad pitching is, but how frail it is. 'Cause there's always a ton of injuries every year. Here's my argument for Carlos Mendoza though, despite what we talked about. Our pitching staff does not have an ace. Our ace has been out all year, except for one star, and that's Kodai Senga. This pitching staff, bullpen and starters included, are made up of pitchers that were thrown out by other teams that nobody else wanted that are on short-term deals, prove it to me. Severino, he's gonna pitch more innings this year than he has in the past six years combined. Manaya's career was basically over, nobody wanted him. He's gonna cash in next year. He's pitching like an ace. David Peterson, who had this apparently hip thing his entire career, he has surgery in the off-season, comes in two months late, and he's pitching like a Cy Young. If he had the innings, if he was pitching like this all year, he would be a Cy Young candidate, right? - I agree with you. I agree with all your points. - Nobody wanted these guys. - I hear you. And if I were voting all year. - And if I were voting all year. (laughing) - Not in Enrique, fucking, Jose and glaciers, right? Oh my God. - Yeah. I agree with you on the merits of your argument completely, but what we do have to understand in this conversation is what could happen, and there's no way it happens. I agree with you that the field goods there, the stories there, the overachieving's there. I'm with you completely. I just know that, listen, you could probably get that like plus 800 right now. I would go take it if you can find it, if you believe it's gonna happen. I don't think there's any way with, again, with the Philly team that's gonna have the best record in baseball, with the Dodgers being another 91 season, with what the Yankees are doing, and how Aaron Judge looks right now, and all the other shit that's happening there. I just, it's not enough to push the voters over, to not vote the way that we all know that they're gonna. I would probably vote for Mendoza if I had to vote, just based on the field go to the story. It's just not how baseball works, man. It's not, but it's true. - You heard it here first. Take your entire life savings and bet it on, if you didn't get 800 to one, or plus 800, your entire life savings and put it on Mendoza. - I'm just gonna say, why wouldn't you? It's the entire life savings. - If we're being ideal, I think that's great. Now, talking about other things, 'cause I have his name written down next, 'cause your next, oh, by the way, Shoei Otani's the MVP. I don't think we needed to say it. - Oh, God, all right. So this is gonna be your first major point of contention here. - But wait a second. - This is such bullshit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, stop. Before you start your argument, we have a player whose closest comparison is one of Barry Bonds' best season of his career. Francisco Lindore is a great player. If he's number two, I love that for him. Pop off, pimp. It's Shoei Otani, and what he's doing is so unprecedented. The fastest 40, 40 season ever. He's too good. I'm sorry. I really apologize to you that Shoei chose this year to be this fucking good. But he did, man, it's not Lindore. I'm sorry. - No one's gonna argue the level he's at offensively, but let me ask you a very simple question, 'cause it's happened several games this year. Not many, but let's say Otani goes 0-4. How does he impact the game? - Well, he's a DH, she doesn't. - Exactly. Lindore goes 0-4. - Not enough. - It's still one games with his defense, Justin. - It's not enough. - It matters. - It's not enough, so. - It's not enough. - It should be. - But it can't be, because what do we watch, baby? You brought up the steroid area. - If Otani was pitching, it'd be a different story. As opposed to losing his team, I would say he's the MVP, 'cause he's affecting games where he's not hitting well, or he's going through his strength. - 'Cause he'd win a side young and hit 40 on runs. He'd have to win both. - But even if he was a three or four in the rotation, and he just wasn't costing them. - This is crazy. - This is crazy. This is, I'm sorry, this is just so. - Over four, no effect on the game. - But guess what? Look at the numbers, dude. Look at the numbers. Francis Lindore's a great player. He's a great defender. He's a five-two player. I agree. But what he's doing on both sides of the baseball does not eclipse what showing he's done with a bat in his hands, just that. - If you're looking at advanced analytics, that's just wrong. The wins above replacement, Lindore is ahead. He's leading the league in wins above replacement. - This is leading the league. - Jeff, this is crazy. - Not only the, here's another point. No, it's not crazy. Most MVP stands for most valuable player. - Yes. - You take Otani off the Dodgers, 'cause they didn't have him last year, and they were still a great team. You take him off the Dodgers. He is, they're still a very, very good team, if not great. You take Lindore off the Mets. They're not going anywhere. They're not in the race. - Up the break. - He is more valuable to his team than Otani is to his team. - Wait a minute. Francisco Lindore's been hurt, right? - No, just, he played every single game up until a couple of days ago. - Okay, right? But he's not been as effective, which is what's going on, right? - No, he's been just as effective. - You can't, you can't, listen. The next time we do the Mets, the history that you're inside of right now, I will have all the advanced analytics you want me to come up with. Francisco Lindore season started awful. He had a tremendous boost midway through, and he's tailed off like most players do. He's a very good player. - He hasn't tailed off though. - He's not, he's not gonna beat show Aotani for an MVP. - He's not possible. - He should. - He should. - He shouldn't. - He shouldn't. - Yes, he should. - Jeffrey, Jeffrey, do you want more fans for baseball? Do you want baseball to have more fans, less fans, or are you just happy where we are? - I'm happy where we are. We have enough fans. I don't need any more. - Keep people on. People are allowed to walk over your side walls. - Who is not gonna bring fans to the game or drive them away? Lindore would be a great story. - That will bring fans to the game. - Negative, sir. Show Aotani that story. That's who he is. - He's already had a story as baseball. We know that. - Which is why he's obviously the MVP. - He's already won an MVP. - And he deserves another one. - Maybe when he starts pitching again, but not this year. - With pitching, he's gonna win a side young three. - He's so rounded by a talent. - Yeah, well, I'm so rounded by talent. - Jeffrey, Jeffrey, Jeffrey, Jeffrey. - Jeffrey, Jeffrey, Jeffrey. - He's getting pitches to hit all year long. Not like when he was in Anaheim, where they pitched around us. - This is nuts. This is, he might try. This is nuts. We got it, we got, okay. - My traps in the place. - You asked me a question a couple minutes ago about the best position player in baseball. - Yeah, you answered my mind. - No, but I haven't answered it 'cause I didn't give you an answer yet, sir. The best position player in baseball, and no one will walk me back on this, is the first baseman Bryce Harper. He's the best position player in baseball. I mean, he's not the best position player in baseball. - He is, as a first baseman, he's the best position player in baseball. As a first baseman, not Bryce Harper, the 20-year-old right fielder. I would agree with you about the defense, what do you tell them? - I'm talking about a guy who's gonna be able to hit 35 to 40 home runs, who knows how to hit the clutch, who shows up in the moment, who also plays gold glove level defense. That's a fine tool thing. - I don't know if he plays gold glove defense. - This is nuts. What are you talking about? - Show me the errors of Bryce Harper at first base. I'll wait. - I don't think it was a bad move. I'm just saying, I don't think it's enough to be... When I say position player, I mean, every day player. So that's how you're approaching this, right? - Of course, Bryce Harper's every day player. And he plays the position. - Talk about tailing off, though. He hasn't hit a home run since what, August 30th? - First of all, he hit a home run yesterday. - Okay, yesterday. But up until yesterday, it was like August 30th, right? - What's the point of that? - He's talking about tailing off. - He's not the best everyday player, of course. You're just wrong. He is the heartbeat of a team that has held him, that without him is a bunch of overpaid players who cannot show up for a moment. He is an MVP. You wanted to ask me about my homerism. I tell you the truth, I could pick the MVP. - He's an MVP for the Phillies, for the Phillies. - What does MVP mean? - What does MVP mean? - What does, yes, yes, yes, yes. - What does MVP mean? - He's not having an MVP season to his caliber even. - Why not? MVP means most valuable player. We agree, right? - Yeah, he's the most valuable player on the field. - Hold on, hold on. - An MVP can't come from a 20 win baseball team, right? - We also agree. - Come on. - We have to be successful. You gotta make the playoffs, right? - If I have the best team in baseball, with the best record in baseball, the best player on that team should be the MVP. - No, because if you take him off, the pitching could still carry that team. - But they don't. He's the hard feed of that team. Without him, they don't win. - They could, the pitching could carry the team. It's good enough to carry the team. Now, I will give you the reason I put this question on here. Is Bryce Harper the best Philly free agent ever? I would say yes. - That he does free agent ever. He embodies that city, he was good. He won a World Series with Washington. - He didn't win a World Series with Washington. - He didn't? - Nope. - Oh, that's right. We got to turn it after, right? - We got to turn it after, right? - Yeah, that's right. - That's where he signed here, correct. - He embodies that city so much. He, you know, he embraces the soul of Philadelphia so much that he could have a terrible season and he would still be the heartbeat of that team. - Correct. - That's the type of transcendent player he has become in Philadelphia. - Which makes him not the best Philly's free agent, the best Philadelphia free agent signing in any major sport ever. - Right, that's where I was going with that question. - There is no competition. That Dr. J was great and we won a title in '83. Cool, Moses Malone, awesome, cool. Nothing comes close to what Bryce Harper's done for this city. All you have to do is turn on a Philly's game in 2016 and then turn on a Philly's game in 2021. Tell me which team you think is more lovable, which team has more engagement at Bryce Harper's act catalyst. I will tell you too, Kyle Schorber helps a lot. That guy's Nazi is just something that we love, dude. Where did he hit in Chicago? Did he hit the lead off in Chicago? I seem to remember. - The only lead off he had before he was Boston. - So they're the ones that saw like, hey, let's give this a try and he's such an anomaly. He's such a unicorn. - That's great. His lead off hitter in baseball right now. - No, I wouldn't say that. - Well, that's crazy because you say crazy things. - Well, Lindor, who should be, you're saying second in the MVP is leading off. So I would say that he's better than Schorber. - That's bananas. - Okay. - I would rather the opportunity to go up one nothing every game than Francisco Lindor looping a single and maybe stealing second. - I'm not, I would run. - And go up one nothing. - He puts me up. - Then the go that he steals second, he goes up the go up again. - I don't need him. - And they drive him in. - They drive him in. - I need him home. - It doesn't matter. - I need Trey Turner. - Even though he's breaking the record for lead off home runs in the year. Fourteen times that happened, Justin. How many wins do they have out of that? It's not as important of a status. You think it's-- - Fourteen. - Fourteen. - Fourteen times. - They don't lose when he hits, they don't lose when he hits a lead off home run. Fourteen to know? Yes. - Okay, that's not even-- - Maybe he's 13 and one this year, but I'm pretty confident-- - That's not even a quarter of the season, and he had to break a record to get to 14. - Yes, and that's tremendous. I love it. I love every bit of it. - But he's not gonna break a record of the year. - I love that the guy was the best chance at hitting the ball over the fence, hits the most in a game. That's what you want. - You know, again, I'll take Lindor getting on base and hitting a two run home rather than the two spot. - That's what I'll take. - You win the Lindor argument with the defense out of his offense. I always remember his betting. - I mean, that's definitely not true. That's definitely an argument we can have. There are so many things, he might not hit as many home runs as Swarver, but there's other things that he does very well. - He doesn't walk as much as Swarver. - Better average. - Okay, but what's the on base percentage? - He gets himself in scoring possession. - Matt saying, do me a favor, pull up Lindor's on base percentage. I'm just curious, I've never looked at the comparison. - What's Swarver's, you're not off top your end? - No, of course not off top my end. I didn't think that we'd have to get into this kind of argument. - Juan doing this. Billies have been streaky, but they just went through a pretty cold streak that they perked up against the Mets. Are you worried about this going into the playoffs? - No, not even a little bit. Not even kind of. The moment that Citizens Bank Park has a playoff game, all of the fear will obey. Don't worry. - Not worried at all. - Not even a little bit, not kind of. What team should I be fearful of? It's not the Mets, no offense. I don't think the Dodgers are real. - I want to see the Mets and Phillies in the playoffs more than anything, more than any of the teams. - Me too, me too. - Padres, both here. - You're pitching, okay. Padres, good pitching, tough lineup. - No, yeah, I don't think so. I don't think don't, this, not how you look at the reality. But here's the reality. Are you ready for the reality, those? None of them are that much better, nor the Philly that much better than them. There is no clear leader of the pack. So I'm not concerned with any of them. I think I have a fighter's chance every series, any team in this league as it's constructed. I'm not, I think all the wild, I think all the wild guard teams feel that way too. - Sure, I think the whole league should. I think anybody that makes the playoffs should agree. It's a wide open field. We have no clue what's gonna happen. Kyle Swarber, by the way, is 371 on base. - All right, you got 342 for Lindor. 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This last segment here, I thought maybe we would just throw some random talking topics. Any big news that's happening in sports we could talk about in this segment, but since this first show, you know, kind of trying this out, feeling each other out here, I wanted to talk about baseball news, baseball's new rules. And you mentioned this a little bit, you're a fan of them. I, being, I was never a baseball purist necessarily. I liked some of the things that baseball traditionally embraces and I don't want to see those go away all the time, but I was never opposed to new rules to make the game better. And I know, so this isn't new news. Obviously these rules have been implemented for a couple of years now, but we've had some time to digest them and see what the actual results are and we can speak to them as fans despite what those actual results are. So I'll pose the question to you already mentioned, but you're a fan of the new rules. - I love the pitch clock because it keeps the game moving fast. I think it's great. I've always been a fan of the three batter minimum. I've always hated how you could make a change three times in and in for three batters. It just feels cheap to me. You should be good enough to get three outs, I think. I don't think that's too much to ask. I love the pitch clock. I will tell you the ghost runners might fund my favorite one because I think like everyone who likes baseball. I love it when my team wins. I hate it when they don't. It's just, I think it's the stupidest thing in the world when it costs my team. And I think it's the greatest innovation ever when it works for us. - Yeah, I mean, clearly it favors the home team. - Yes. - Yeah, I'm with you. I pitch clock, never, I never, you know, bitched about it. The fact of the matter is people, people weren't coming to baseball to watch it. They would, the game, I wouldn't say it was dying, but it wasn't attracting new fans. It wasn't keeping old fans, right? It was just kind of uttering along. And clearly it was because of the length of games. - Yeah. - And what the pitch clock has done is bring a, not only the old fans back, the casual fans, we got young people in the stands. I mean, attendance is up, ratings are up, and baseball is mostly a regional sport. So, you know, like an A's fan doesn't really have a lot to root for ever, they don't even have hope. But their ratings are up, you know? - Yeah. - So, clearly it was the right move. And I know fans tend to hate the commissioners of their sports, I mean, Roger Goodell, which I think sure actually does a really good job growing the sport, but yeah, same thing goes for baseball. So, I think in Bravo, taking that risk, I think the one rule I don't like that I think we'll disagree on is, I like watching division rivals go at it a million times a year. I really do. I do not care about watching the Mets play the White Sox. Whether they were good or bad. - But don't you care about the Mets playing like the Blue Jays, if Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is on a run, like it's the inner league play I think needed more. And I'll give you this. I agree that they went too far the other direction. I would like to see a little bit more division rivalry. I do like that. Basketball's not going away from that. They made a competitive balance where the West plays the East more, but they still kept a lot of those games, a lot of that schedule for those division rivalries, 'cause it's what intrigues people in the sport. Boston and Philadelphia fans hate each other. It's a part of the narrative. I would be fine with giving a little bit more of that schedule back to how it was. I just don't want to go back to playing 17 games a year, but against the team that you know you're going to trounce like it's not entertaining to me. I like my team's win, but I want them to have to beat somebody. I don't want them to just show up and fall into every victory against the Washington Nationals. - Yeah, I do get that, but I think we had that. We had the inner city rivalries that we saw every year, and then they played a couple teams, 'cause they played a couple inner league series throughout the year, and that varied. I don't need to see the Mets play the Blue Jays and Vladimir every year. - Sure, home and away. Once every couple of years is fine with me. So I felt like we had a really good balance as far as inner league play. That's the one thing that I want to push back against. - I'll give you your schedule back. - I'll tell you what, I'll give you a pitch yes. - If I think we need to give you a pitch-- - If you have the helmet from the minor leagues, I'll give you your schedule back. - Well, I think we're going towards robot arms, so I don't think that's necessary. - I couldn't disagree with you more. - No way. - Well, why would you review pictures if the robot arms are calling the game perfect? - They'll lose too many of their core fan base, and there is a part, even for somebody like me where baseball was not my first love, the human element is interesting. And if you challenge a pitch and get it wrong, you can't challenge the next one. - Well, I mean, that's-- - Slowing down the game now. - By five seconds. - Ah, the baseball's still a little clunky with their review system. Sometimes it takes way longer than it should. - Well, how many pictures can you challenge a game? - Have you watched the minor league system? Have you seen how it works? It's instantaneous, it's like tennis. So there's a camera that's on the pitch every pitch. - Sure. - And that camera tracks that pitch into the traffic zone, and if a batter taps his helmet, it's like tennis is. Instantly comes up on the big board, they watch where it hits, it's called a ball or a strike. - So the batter gets to challenge? How many times can you grab this though? If you get it challenged wrong, you don't get any more. I believe they're supposed to be two in and at bat. Most players stay with one 'cause they don't challenge pitches frivolously. It's like the challenge coming into baseball. I remember a period saying this is gonna slow everything down and it's gonna make it all AI and then replay and it's gonna take people out of it. I don't think it's slowed it down. I think it's made it better. - It's not gonna take people out of it any more than the robot Ums would, you know, so-- - Yeah, well, I watched Armando Galeraga lose a perfect game because an umpire is retarded. We should be able to challenge that call. If you have an umpire, C.D. Buckner, who's spent the whole game fighting with the rival manager and it's just looking for a reason to throw him out and it's calling pitches four inches outside strikes on purpose. We should be able to stop that time and take it over the game, I think. - Yeah, I think it should be, if they're gonna do that limited to one, one challenge. - I'm with that, I'd be totally fine with one. Win or lose, I agree with you. Whether you're right or wrong, you don't get another. I agree with you. - One thing I was very skeptical of was the bringing the DH to the National League. That would be the purest part of me. I do, I ended up loving it. So, you know, I didn't-- - I didn't, that Wheeler swing a baseball bat. - No, well, yes and no. Do you remember when Bartol alone hit a home run? - I do. You were not gonna get those moments anymore. - Yeah, but like if Kyle Schwab was 14, our home runs aren't important. The one time Bartol alone swung hard enough to get it over the fence doesn't matter. - No, I'm not talking about importance to the game or the importance to the season. I'm talking about just those are the special moments that only happen in baseball. - Oh, sure. - Where people-- - Yeah, it's cranky. - This motherfucker swung himself out of his helmet every single at bat. And he gets up there and like a less, you know, I think he played one more year for that. He hits a fucking home run. - Yeah, yeah. And like, I think that cranky was like one home run away from having the record for most of the picture right up until they took the DH away and out of the DH. - No. - I agree, it's a special moment-- - DeBrahm was a good hitter. Now that was exciting, you know, watching a good, but you can't say healthy pitch, but he is a good hitter. Yeah. - Yeah, well, and, you know, also took, really took the bunting out of the game, the small ball, which I do enjoy. I like to see-- - I think that's-- - That's the one I think, that's the one I think. - Yeah, and I think it will, I agree with you. - I think you have to. I think it's just another way to win. Speaking of new rules, new kickoff format for the NFL, what are your thoughts? - I wrote meh in my notes 'cause I don't really fucking care. Like I-- - I mean, it's only been two weeks, but-- - And I did the premise. I understand the idea is player safety. And maybe I guess it looks like they're hitting each other less hard, but it's, I don't fucking care. It doesn't, you're taking away my excitement and kick offs now. I don't like that. - Well, there was no kickoff returns last year, but that's the problem. It's out there now. - Well, it's not gonna be this year either though. Why not? - Well, it's up a little bit. It's not a lot. It's got like 10%, not a lot. But my, I guess my real question is, do you miss the kickoff returns in the game? 'Cause I do, we share the best kickoff returner in history 'til does, what's his face came along for Chicago? Was it, oh my God, was it Desmond Howard? - No, no, no, no, no. - I'm thinking Court of Rail Patterson and that Devon has to pass it. - The Devon has to, yes, yes. - Yeah. - I knew it was some sort of D, D name. - The greatest constant return of all time happened against you. - Yeah? - Yeah? - I know. - It's a whole one of the three. But I agree, I mean, listen, I went in thinking that there was a possibility that we would maybe see a real increase in returns, but you went from the 25 to the 30, not the 25 to the 40. So teams are not going to care about those five yards. You're going to train your defense to understand your defendant's 70 yards, not 75 now. That's it. - You think they'll adjust it? - Good. - I hope they do. - I hope they do, I hope they do. I think even if you move it up just another five to the 35, you've got to give them a reason and not kick it into the end zone. Five yards is not doing it. - I agree. Who do you like for Thursday night? - We got jets at minus six and a half over 38 and a half. - Under and take the points for the Patriots 'cause I don't like the Jets at all. I mean, the Patriots, very surprisingly for the first two weeks have played well. - That dude's a good coach, you can tell. - Yeah, Gerard Mayo, just a leader of men like it still. They're not going to win, right? They're not going to be a good team, but they're going to be a fucking hard team to beat. They're not going to lay down for anybody. - They're going to be in some of my season. - They're going to be in some of my season. Oh, for sure. They're not going to be to clean the rounds from the early, early 2010s. - Well, you know, they, with the injury to two now, they might sneak in ahead of Miami. - Yeah, I know. - 'Cause I don't think the Jets are real, man. Aaron Rodgers, that's old. What are we watching if we're not watching our teams? What are you excited about? - Who did I write? Well, first of all, my team, you can call me a homework. It's a great way to, I guess, end our first ones who show my two colors on the Eagles. I think the Eagles back big against the Saints. Yeah, I think she just did to the Cowboys. I think that this is like the first score I wrote down was 34 to 13, but we don't have to get too much further into that. I don't want to ruin all my reputation right away. I like the Broncos this week over at Bucks. I think the Ravens are going to destroy the Cowboys 'cause I think the Cowboys suck, and I think they're going to continue to suck. And I actually liked the Bears over the Colts this week. I want to see the Bears actually do some good. - Indy's offense did not look good, not look good last week. - They picked the wrong guy. You got the right. - Yeah, I mean, I can see Chicago breaking out finally. Man, New Orleans, are they for real? - We're going to find out. - We're going to find out, aren't we? - The Eagles, aren't we? Who'd you say you like Denver? - Yeah, I like the Broncos over at the Bucks. I don't like the Bucks at all. - I do. I think Baker's got it, man. He figured it out. - That set makes my stomach hurt. - Well, we'll find out. Give him a question. - He's not Johnny football. I'll give you. He's not as unlikable as Johnny Mando was. I still don't like me. I just, I don't like it. - Who are you, what game are you interested if not? - Let's say you couldn't watch the Eagles or the Phillies. What are you interested in? Anything you're watching specifically that interesting deal? - I think the best game this week might be the Patriots and the Jets. I think that might be the best game of the week. I think you've got a lot of no doubters, like obvious wins. I think attackers are going to be three full mode here after this honeymoon period of Jordan loves her. It gets through. - He might start. He was running around today. He might start this week. I don't have any reason to think the Green Bay Packers are going to rush a guy back. He'd never done it. But I'll take it being Jordan loves the highest paid quarterback in South Dakota to be that guy. I don't care about that. I like the Ravens in the Dallas game then. I think the Rams, and if I can't watch the Eagles win, then the next best thing is watching this album with me. - I am, I'm telling you with you on that. You know, the other thing I'm really interested in is Minnesota Houston. - The Sam Bradford is a great story, and CJ Stroud is the real fucking deal. - Yeah. - He really is. - It's going to be great for a long time. - Yeah, he really is. Other than that, of course, I'm watching the Mets on Sunday. So no doubt, I'm following all the wild card games, for sure. - You got to now. I mean, we're in the home stretch now. I think at least can clinch the playoff berth tonight. And then I think that brings the division down to seven. - Yeah, seven, six or seven, yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, well, they're going to lock up the division in the Mets series. It's four games. I'm hoping they split, but they're locking up the division. - All fucking people on planet Earth, a guy gets out next year should know what happens when the south chicken before they hatch. Don't you put that bad jus on my fillies? - You don't think I came here to jinx you? - I hate that. I hate that, I am looking towards the series and they sent us in the bank park against them. That's why I can't wait. - Yep, the Mets need to go six and five down the stretch here to secure that playoff spot. - I think you'll be fine. I think that is a big thing. - Now, I have on the list here, I'm sure you saw a great baseball name. So my cousin and I used to do this thing when we were drinking in the bar, where we would just, we would rattle off like baseball players that have these unique names that are unique only to baseball, right? And we would go back and forth and we would just be cracking up because these aren't Hall of Fame players. These are like solid contributors. I'll give you an example. Chuck Knoblock, you're not gonna get a Chuck Knoblock in the sport of basketball or football or hockey. That is a baseball only name. - I've got a current one, Orion Kirkering. I'll never hear that name again. - Yes, another one, another one I really liked was Bernard Guillte. - Yeah, that's another good one. - Yeah, so I think what I wanna do every week is we'll each come up with one great, like unique baseball name and we'll spend two or three minutes just talking about their careers because one thing that these new people coming into baseball don't yet appreciate is how far the history goes back and how much history is tied to baseball and just how many, if you're not in the Hall of Fame, it's easy to get lost. And there's so many like really, really solid players that you just don't talk about because there's so many great players out there to talk about. 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