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Phillies drop "Hangover Game" 10-4 to Chicago Cubs | MLB Playoff picture | TMac joins the show!

A day after clinching the NL East for the first time since 2011, the Phillies drop the "Hangover Game" to the Chicago Cubs 10-4. Taijuan Walker, Kolby Allard each struggle in "bulk" duties. Phillies Magic Number to clinch NL bye remains at 2. They are 1/2 game back of the Dodgers for the top spot in the National League.

Plus, Tom McCarthy joins the show at 8:40 to discuss it all!

Broadcast on:: 25 Sep 2024
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(upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) Good morning, what's up everybody? Welcome to Philly, Philly on PHLI. With John Marks, as always brought to you by Parks Casino. Get to the best Parks app right now. Eagles two and a half point favorites in the game against the Bucks coming up here on Sunday. John Marks with you, Tyler Zoule in the house. Big show today, Tom McCarthy, play-by-play voice of your Philadelphia Phillies. We'll join us later on the show at 8.40. I wanted to talk about celebration. 'Cause last night was the hangover game for the Philadelphia Phillies. And I didn't say it, but I thought it and Tyler beat me to the mic to say it. He said he was betting his mortgage or his rent on the month on the Cubs' money line last night. And it was 10 to two at one point. They came back, they scored a couple runs. I think short, we hit a home run, 10 to four. But that was the biggest lock of the year last night that the Phillies were going to lose. And I think when we saw the celebration afterwards, it's easy to see why, right? I think in previous years after they've clinched, they've come out sluggish or some regulars have been out of the lineup or it looked like that the sense of urgency wasn't necessarily there to win the game that night. Tyler, you called it last night. That game was over pretty quick. Phil scored a couple early runs, but once they went down by a couple runs, it was, it was pretty much over. Yeah, and it was, by the way, it was a Cubs lineup that was missing a bunch of guys. So my sponsor didn't play, Bellinger didn't play. It was just one of those games where I think that if you were a betting person, you would have put a lot of money on the Cubs to win that game for a multitude of reasons. Taiwan, you knew Taiwan Walker. It was inevitable that he was going to pitch. It was a, an opener game, a hangover game. So I think betting the Cubs last night was like a surefire way to win some money. So the, the, it'll be called in term, the hangover game. And we'll, we'll go through it coming up here in a second. Philly's loose, 10 to four. Was it really the game? The Taiwan Walker pitched an inning and two thirds and Kobe Allard came in and pitched four innings and Tyler Gilbert pitched two innings. Really it was, it was a collection of the fifth starter rejects that they have to keep going back to because they don't have another fifth starter. Maybe that contributed more to the loss than anything, but like it was going to be something that we talked about. Cause let me say this, this team certainly, never when 80 reads it, hey, don't worry about it. Enjoy the win man. And he said that to an Eagles reporter who was questioning him after a win. Well, hey, don't worry about it. Enjoy the women. Philly's enjoyed the win. So here's after the game. This is NBC Sportsfield off you. Here's after the game in the clubhouse. This is the scene. Every white guy on the Phillies had their shirt off, spraying champagne, celebrating everything else. These guys go ahead and put it up there. Put it up there. These guys, you'll hear it. (crowd chanting) See, no shirt, Stott had the UNLV helmet on, which I thought was really cool. (crowd chanting) There you go. More shirtless men. More shirtless men. And listen, if I had Bryce Harper's physique, I'd probably be shirtless too. Stubby had the, had the overalls on. Was anybody surprised with what the scene was in the clubhouse afterwards? I don't think that anybody was. No, it was expected, right? They wanted to, and we talked about it yesterday. Like, you can separate the expectation of they were going to win this division for a long time versus you're still out of celebrated. It's 162 game season. It's a long year. It's a grind to win a division, right? So, but that's, that's goal number two of like six that they have, right? So they checked another box and they're gonna continue to move on and I think that last night didn't help them move on because of the hangover game. But I think you have to separate like this was going to happen versus they're still able to, you could still let them celebrate this. Right. Yeah, the final game of the season wasn't last night to where they needed it for home field. But anyway, the one game could end up costing a more than that in a second. Here's the XFINITY live afterwards. 'Cause listen, if you're gonna clinch, where are you gonna go? Let's go across the street, go to XFINITY live. They put you up top. So here was the scene. I don't know how many people, how many of the Phillies players were there. I'm assuming a lot, but a couple of Phillies, maybe people in the chat can tell us who it was. So here's a video. Go ahead, go ahead and make great music in the background. You see Phillies players hanging up to your children. They're babies. Benang, I don't think they really hung them over the, whatever, but that's Simba. Is that from the Lion King? Yeah, I know it was like literally, you know, the beginning scene of the Lion King where they- See, he also makes sense. I've never seen it. Never seen the Lion King. I mean, believe me, I knew that was gonna be- You have kids. Yeah, but they don't, I don't think they've ever seen it. Or if they have, I don't remember. And that, wow. We watched the little giants together. That's the movies that we watched. It's a good movie. Yeah, I don't, you know, I watched Bluey with my kids. No, I've honestly, I've never seen the Lion King. I know Simba- Wow. I don't really know what, I don't even know what's going on in the movie. I feel like regardless if you have kids or not, that's one of those movies where you're okay. I've seen it at some point, right? Like I've seen the Lion King. I would say it's odd for me to have absolutely no clue about any of it. It is, that's odd. Interesting, okay. I'll be the first one. Are you a movie guy? No. No, that's why. It was also the mid 90s when I was in college or working all the time in the other way. That's also fair. The mid 90s, I was a kid. It was right up my alley, it made sense. But I've still, it's still odd to have never seen it. All right, so then there's that. So there are infinity live. First of all, let's not make the assumption that every Phillies player was drunk and woke up at nine o'clock in the morning on a floor somewhere or was throwing up into the toilet or had a bad hangover. We don't know how much these guys were drinking. They're spraying champagne. Are they drinking? You know what? I think that responsible people can go out and have a good time and maybe have a couple drinks if they're not driving home and go home and still be okay the next day. Now, is that going to produce an optimal athlete? Are you going to be 10 out of 10 100 100 for the next game, the next day? No, you're not. You're not, you're not. There's no possible way that you can be as good as you would be if you didn't do that, right? But we've also heard about pitchers that were drinking the night before and then came in and throw no hitters, right? So let me read you something from my old boss, Spike Askin on my old show on WIP yesterday. And Spike and I still keep in contact with Spike. He's very supportive of me and I'm very supportive of him and I love all the guys on the show and I love WIP. This is what he said yesterday because you saw people saw everything with the players being out and everything else. He said, this is just not the right time to do it. This team has bigger goals in mind and God forbid we wind up having to play next week or God forbid it's the NLCS against the Dodgers and they have to fly to the West Coast for the first two games. They should be happy about winning the division. They should have a good night and go out for a steak dinner somewhere. I wasn't asking them not to be happy about it. I'm asking for them not to get blackout drunk. And by the way, he said that he has no evidence that they got blackout drunk. But his overall point is don't go out and party, go have a steak dinner and then go home and then get ready for the next night. And it's a good take and it's something that probably needed to be said by a media member out there. And just let me be the first or the last person to say that I couldn't care less one bit about the 76ers going to a steak dinner and going home and getting rest and playing last night. I don't care if the guys weren't ready to play last night. If that indeed was the case, I saw their starting pitchers. They put their worst starting pitchers or worst pitchers in the game. That contributed more to last night than them going to infinity line live afterwards. But isn't this baseball 162 games? Haven't we learned enough by now that the teams are successful? The teams that win are the teams that have a close camaraderie? Are teams that enjoy each other's company? Are teams that are able to go out? Winning the NL East is a really big deal. And it's something that you should celebrate. If last night's game was to determine home field for the World Series, you can make a much better case. Nah, you got to get home, no partying, get out there. Could it end up being that? It could, it could, it absolutely could. But you know what, I watched this game. I watched sports for moments like that last night where they clinch, where they celebrate like that, where they go to infinity live afterwards and celebrate it with the fans. Tyler played this, this was after 2023. Now this was after they clinched against the Braves. So they have a couple of days off before they face the Diamondbacks. And by the way, they played, they started off well in that Diamondbacks series. So they had plenty of time. This made more, I guess, more sense to go out the night before. But this is like, this is why you go to infinity line after the game. This is why you're, if you're a Philly player, you go. Like, look at this scene. This is what this Phillies team is about. This is community. This team is community to play it, Tyler. This was last year after Clinton. (singing in foreign language) Wow, stupid chills. Look, look at that face. It's unbelievable. I, I don't like crowds. I don't like to go out anymore. I've quickly become the old guy that get off my lawn. Old guy. - Old man, you're jealous of not being, or not being young enough, at least for me. Like, I'm jealous and I wasn't young enough to be there. But guess what, in 2007 and 2008, I was. And I was there. And I experienced all that. So now it's time for other people to do it. Like, but that's why I watched the sports. And if you're gonna worry about the team going out and celebrating, even if they celebrate it a little bit too much, which we don't know that they do. But if that's gonna be your, you're taking your concern, which is, you're gonna worry about this game tonight. Sorry, I'm out. I don't care. I don't care. Kobe Allard pitched last night. Gilbert pictured last past night. Taiwan Walker pitched last night. That's the bigger contributing factor to them losing the game than going out. And maybe Stain is fitting your life too late. - I would have my 21, 22, 23 years, like the time that I would have been down there for a Phillies run like this was 2016, 17 and 18. I don't know if you remember those teams because they sucked. But if I had a team that was consistently within the playoff realm and in my, you know, just, you know, right as you turn 21, you believe we're drinking age, you wanna go hang out? - You're a maniac. You'll go do it. - Right. You still like that would have been amazing to be a part of. And I will say this, I understand, what I'm about to say is a different scope for us as our jobs versus professional actors. - Are you up here on the screen? - Oh, you know what? - Put yourself up on the screen. - I forgot to do that. - So awkward when you go ahead. - It is, I understand. So it's a different scope for us versus professional athletes. I'm gonna ask you a question. You can be honest, we're adults. - Sure. - You ever come to work hungover? - Have I, of course. - Everybody does, right? - I've come, I understand the levity of the influence. - I understand the levity of the situation is different, right? If I come to work in this job and I'm hungover, I might look sluggish, but like, our product is not gonna fail. I don't think, unless I suck that bad at my job that day, our product's not gonna fail. But every adult has gone out the night before and had too much to drink or was a little less responsible than they should have been knowing work was the next day, right? And you come into work and you're hungover, you're head hurts, you're a little queasy or whatever, but you do your job. I understand the scope is entirely different for a professional athlete than it is for us on a day-to-day job. But in an instance of like, in a vacuum, like a brevity moment, like one fleeting night, let the guys go have a little bit of fun. Let them go enjoy themselves. And Topper said, hey, listen, we still got ball games to play. We still have a goal, we still have multiple goals. - The manager said party tonight. He told them to go party. - He did, he did. And you know what, it was smart. Here's the other thing, let's, let's, let's, 'cause this is something that really I probably should have said before, when we look at the partying and Spike even said it, he doesn't have, he doesn't know, he doesn't have any evidence that there was anything crazy going on. But the overall point, you really need, what player on this team is going out and drinking in excess to where it's affecting him majorly the next day? Let's just like look at the team, look at the roster, and this is completely unfair to be judging who would be hungover and drinking and who wouldn't be. But like, would you be surprised if stubs he woke up with a headache at 10 a.m? - Yes. - Oh, one of the things too we talked about was... - Hey, wait, you gotta hit. - This team over the last like calendar year, a lot of families on this team have had babies and have small children now. There is, I assume like, there's a responsibility factor, not just to your team, but more importantly to your family to be a responsible dad in that situation. And so I think that it's, we talked about it, they're a fun team, they're a light-hearted team, they don't take themselves too seriously, there's a lot of like, jovial nature to this team. - Right. - But I also think that they are responsible. - Bryce Harper's not black out drunk at 3.30 in the morning. Kyle Schwab is not black out drunk at 3.30 in the morning. Did they go to Expenditi Live with the rest of the team? I hope they did, it's a bonding experience. But you know what, like Bryce might've went home for all we know. Who knows? Is Cassianos going out, is he at four o'clock in the morning, like looking for women on the streets? I don't think so. Maybe some of the younger guys or some, like who knows? Who knows? I don't think it affected them at all last night. So I'll be curious to see, I wanna hear what Spike has to say about it today, but I'll be curious to see, 'cause they went down 10 to two last night. So it's gonna be easy to have that knee-jerk reaction of all the hangover game, it's being called the hangover game. It's being called the hangover game. - It's the hangover game every year now. - Which I love. - That one for every team. - You're right. - Like I would imagine the teams that can't afford, like last night the Padres clinched a playoff spot. We'll talk more about that. They can't afford that type of game because they still are chasing a division title. - There's two games behind the division. - And I understand the Phillies are still chasing a one-seat and they want the one-seat. I think in that scenario, it's a little bit different. Like the teams that are still like objectively looking for importance, the Phillies are one of them. But I think like the Padres have more in mind, right? 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Tyler, you've known Jamie Lynch a long time. I have. He's the bro. He's an upbeat, fun. He's just an overall great guy, not a negative bone in his body. Just when you think of Jamie, you smile. He's such a goofball. It's a great Philadelphia sportsman. I love Jamie. Love Jamie, which is what hurt me yesterday when I heard there were charges levied against Jamie Lynch that we're just flat out. I don't want to call lies and I'll explain it in a second, but just flat out. Not true. All right. Mike Messonelli, my old boss is, is back on radio in Philadelphia. He's working with Bill Colerulo, who I happen to be friends with. And I think they do a very, very good job. I've always been a big Mike Messian. I'm a big bill fan, but yesterday I started getting text messages. Here's how it sounded. This is courtesy of the on Patterson Twitter handle. Here's Mike Messonelli yesterday, apparently some younger pointers were taken selfies in the in the clubhouse afterwards with the celebration going on in the background. Now, listen, it's to each his own. That's not something I would do a more of an old school guy, but I think like let's fans have their own kingdom, like that's a fan thing, like you've crossed over a little bit. You can still, you know, root for the team to win, but I think you got to have like a more patient because you're disrespecting them. The fans, I think when you do something like that, that belongs to them. So that's for the fans and look in the clubhouse, to your point about some younger media members taking selfies and trying to party with the players to me, that's, that's the point. Let the players have their moment. You're not a part of it. Yeah, I do some investigative journalism because I was a former pal here, JB Lynch, was he one of them? That's the word on the street. That word on the street. He may have been a part of that. There was a lot of video being posted on Twitter, so I don't know who was taking part in the celebrations and who wasn't, but to me, that's, like a colarulo getting involved. So yes, the, the, that, that's the accusation. Jamie Lynch and I don't know who else he was talking about. He said other young reporters were taking selfies in the clubhouse after the, after the game, after the, when there was the celebration. Now Tyler, as I said, I don't have, I don't have a journalism background at all. I was never an investigator. I do like true crime shows. I do like the first 48. I watch cops. So that makes, that makes you qualify. All the time. I would be a great detective. I watch some of these shows and I'm like, this guy's an idiot. What is he doing? He should be doing something else right now. So I, so I, I can say why you're munching popcorn on the couch. Well, yes, absolutely. Monday morning quarterbacking for crime. It's trauma. It's very real. homicide detectives. I'm, yes. I'm doing morning quarterbacking for outside detectives. All right. So I, I did some, I did some digging. Jamie was taking pictures. Do you have the one in the clubhouse? I, we had earth this one right here. This is totally unprofessional. Jamie Lynch, after the game, there he is right there. Bryce Harper shirt off. There's Jamie peering a pretty sure Jamie shirts on though. All right. After, after the game on the field, the team's trying to take a picture. Why is Jamie on the field? This is, this is totally unnecessary and unacceptable as a, as a journalist. There he is right there. Standing up. Jamie Lynch doesn't even have any shoes on the man's and flip flops out there. That's, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. Um, even, even afterwards, so obviously Jamie wasn't doing this. Jamie Tyler and Renee were at their homes doing post game. I can attest. We were on the air after the game. Yeah, for a good hour, an hour plus actually, I think we ended up going like an hour 10. So the accusations by Bill Colarulo and Mike Mistinelli are totally inaccurate. I would expect an apology today from those two. Jamie Lynch was actually home doing a post game celebration on the air, which he's a Philly's podcast host. What do you think? You have to be a strict journalist, even if he wasn't joining it. Here's the thing. And this is where this is like the serious part of it. And what Mike said and Mike came from a time where like he is, he's a Jeff McLean type reporter. Jeff McLean ain't taken selfies. Jeff McLean's not shumming around with the players. He's trying to build relationships and he's trying to get information, but Jeff McLean is a much different reporter. Then let's say a D gun, he guns a TV reporter. There's a difference. Jeff McLean's trying to, trying to do investigative pieces and people say hit pieces on the Eagles. He's trying to dig to get the inside dirt on what went wrong last year, but like not everybody on the beat is like that. Todd's a leki, Matt Gell, all those other guys, they're not posting, they're not posting selfies of the celebration on their, their Instagram or their Twitter earth. They are. They shouldn't. Can you take a selfie in the clubhouse to document kind of your life and what you do? Yeah, just don't post it on social media and I don't, I don't see how anybody could have an issue with that. But this idea that the media in 2024 is a one size fits all type thing. There's very few Mike Missonelli and Jeff McLean's that are left around being reporters. And there's a lot of electronic media, there's a lot of blogs. There's a lot of everything other than that non traditional media that has now become traditional media. Tyler, like this is what the media is. And Mike had said in the clip at one point, he said that you have to be objective. Guess what? I don't have to be objective. Why do I have to be objective about anything? I feel like I am objective. I give my opinions on things, I don't carry water for the, for my teams, but I'm a fan. I'm not going to pretend that I'm some, I'm some stuffy reporter. They can't root. I root for my teams. I, I'm pissed when my team's lost and that's when you hear me criticize the teams. And we're honest and we talk about issues and stuff like that. So while we're having fun with Jamie being in the clubhouse and taking selfies, which nobody at this network was doing anything like that, but also like the overall, the overall theme of what he was saying was that like, who cares? If, if Todd's a lechie is drinking beer or is, is pounding beers with Garrett stubs in the clubhouse. That's a, that's a big issue. That's not happening. That stuff's not happening. So Mike bill and YouTube bill, you should have apologized to Jamie Lynch today. You really should because throwing his name out there, it was unfair. Now now I'm going to defend him. They were given bad information by somebody at the station. They didn't come up with that on their own. Someone, someone that may have worked on an earlier show was running around telling everybody the guys at PHLY, Jamie Lynch, they were down and they were taking selfies in the clubhouse. So that's how they got that information and they had no reason not to believe that at that point. All right. Cause their own producer was, was doing, was doing corny videos. And that's how they're also talking about it. So there you go. And just to end this conversation on this, all right. Jamie even caught a bizarre and Jamie had fun with it on social media. Jamie caught a bizarre tweet from somebody with a handle of heels on the field on Twitter. I guess it's a, it's a, it's, I don't know if she does a podcast or, but she's got like 7,000 Twitter followers. So, so it's like some type of a baseball personality tweets the following and retweets the Missonelli video. Some of our members in sports media sometimes make mistakes in their reporting falsely stating that a woman reporter, Jamie Lynch was taking selfies with players is not something that I would do to each his own. So Jamie is not a female reporter, not that there would be anything wrong with that. Right. He's very much, I'm a man. I'm 40 is what Jamie responded back to that. My Gundy. So a very Tyler, a very odd situation. I watched it unfold yesterday. And I had to, you know, I got right on, put my journalism cap on, put my homicide detective cap on and I figured things out. I, I, I texted Jamie after the, after the day was over and all I said was, so Jamie, how's your day going? Anything fun or exciting happened at work today? And he gave me the ha ha response back. So he enjoyed it. Jamie likes the attention. He certainly does. And so, and just to take it back to this, and we'll get to some headlines before TMac way back in 2007, put this, put this picture up there, Tyler, it's Harry Callis and Aaron Rowan. All right. And this was where earlier when I was talking about, I had my moments covering the team where I was able to enjoy him. So this is a somewhat iconic picture. It's Aaron Rowan pouring the champagne on Harry Callis. And I think he's singing high hopes on the field. People notice over Harry's right shoulder. You probably didn't notice in the blue shirt, taking a picture of everything, blocking his face is me. That's you? Yes. Jeff Harbaugh is to my right, my former coworker from sports radio 950. That is me wearing a fresh jive shirt that I still have on the field. I think I shorts on to shows you how, how, so you would have been what like in, in, in your twenties at that point, I wish no, but like close, close to it. Yeah. I was, I was, I guess I was 30 young guys time, still young, still young guy. I don't mean that. I didn't mean that. The rocket. Seventeen years. I didn't mean that derogatory. What I'm saying is, you know, still new in your career at that time, new in my career. And it's like, I've been giving the keys to being in the media and I'm on the field for the Phillies game. And they just, cause like for me growing up, there was 83, which I vaguely remember, 1980, which was my first memories of life, and then 1993, Phillies didn't make the playoffs any other year until 2007. Yeah. I mean, I, I always tell people like, so I think it's, it's almost kind of comical how this happened. So my dad was born in 63, took him till 76 to see the Phillies make the playoffs. He was 13. I was born in 93, but after the World Series, I was born in December of 93. So it took me until 2007. I was also 13 the first time the Phillies made the playoffs. So I, I told people when my, my wife and I announced that we were having our first kid. I think he's in a good spot to not have to wait 13 years, but it's also about remembering. So I would put the age of four or five in five years, they better still be good. Cause you might be in the post kind of getting to the end of it a little bit. Yeah. But, but the point being is like, you're right. I had no recollection of what playoffs were because I didn't have any. He might have no recollection of what playoffs were because he was too young. Right. At least you got that to lean back on sure. He'll, you know, when he's telling his friends 20 years from now, yeah, I remember when the Phillies, I don't remember the Phillies in 2024, but, you know, I was born a year. They went to the World Series. Right. Yeah, it's a cool thing. Got to count for something. I mean, I was born the year the Phillies went to the World Series, which is after the fact. It's cool. So once upon a time, and I'll admit to this right now, and then we'll get some headlines here quickly where I I was with Meredith Merock of it to I was working with the time at the time now. She does stuff for the Yes network up in up in New York, but with the Yankees. But yeah, like I remember like I would just item in my press pass. I just go to the games to be like getting a standing room only ticket. And there was one time where I went up to use the bathroom and I sat down in the press area and I definitely had had been drinking, which was not a good idea. I should have never done that. So you live in you live and you learn. But whatever. All right. So do we have some headlines? Your team acts coming up here at eight forty, but we have a couple headlines from from last night and Tyler, the headline. So we have a nice spiffy sponsor now. We appreciate the good people. Glad how about that. Headlines are brought to us by the glad hair restoration and you talked about them a little bit earlier in the show, but it's never a bad time to remind you that ball is now optional. And if you want to improve how you look and how you feel about yourself, glad hair has the right treatment for you. So you can regain your confidence and visit glad hair, mctr.com or call 610 980 4000 to get started. And you brought it up. The Phillies do lose last night. They lose this one. I'm pretty convincing fashion 10 forward to the Chicago Cubs. It wasn't all bad, at least until the second inning because Tanner Banks was a bit through a clean first inning and the Phillies were able to get out of this one kind of unscathed and then Bryce Harper comes to the plate in the, in the top of the first. And despite the fact that they clinched the playoff spot yesterday and we, or the division spot yesterday, we weren't entirely sure who was and wasn't going to play. Bryce Harper steps up in the first and the left is real deep to center field on the run is strong. Over is that over the wall into the bushes. 30 home runs for Bryce Harper for the fifth time in his career. So five times in his career, Bryce Harper said 30 home runs, two of those five times Bryce Harper went on to win the MVP of the national league once with the nationals and once with the fills. So it was a good start to the day, one, nothing after one, but that's when things kind of imploded. You brought up Taiwan Walker struggled, Colby Allard struggled, Tyler Gilbert ended up throwing two, two scoreless innings, but it didn't really matter at that point. But Tanner Banks didn't pitch well in the second either. He ends up giving up some earned runs. I got to ask you, we've talked to Taiwan Walker plenty. We're not going to, you know, mess with the guy any any further. What is the decision to bring Taiwan Walker in with the bases loaded in that situation? You're just asking for failure at that point. Yeah, I can't imagine you thought that that was going to. Topper said the night before go out and party tonight, when you tell your team to go out and party, you, I mean, your expectation is you're probably not going to win that game. That's how he managed to be in the game. I want Walker. I'm like, like, I agree with you. I'm not going to beat him down. You're not going to hear me bitch at about Taiwan Walker really ever again. I don't want to do it anymore. We don't want to be about the team for putting him out there, which is what you're doing. Anytime you put him out there, you should just assume that he's throwing batting practice. It can't be in any type of a leverage situation, even if you're just trying to stay in the game. Don't put him out there. I actually feel you said this before the show. I feel bad for him at this point. He's he's caught. I must use the F word there. He's cooked. It's got no shot out there. So the Phillies do lose. Up to 93 and 65, of course, they've already clinched the division. A couple of other teams have clinched out their divisions or playoff spots in the last couple of days. The Houston Astros have officially clinched the AL West and impressive comeback for them and a pretty cataclysmic fall from grace by the Seattle Mariners after a hot start to the year. The Cleveland Guardians have now officially clinched the AL central. The AL central wild card race is a fascinating one. The twins are two games back. The Tigers and Royals are now tied at 83 and 74. I think the Tigers deserve a massive amount of credit for the comeback that they've mounted in the second half of the season. They looked like they were dead to rights. And now all of a sudden, they're nine games over 500 and in a playoff spot. Yeah. It's been impressive. It's a pretty good finish here to the to the playoffs is going to be a good last week. The Padres and Dodgers. Padres look out, man. Dodgers are on their heels. Padres are hot. Yeah. Padres last night clench a playoff spot in one of the most dramatic fashions possible up four to two with the bases loaded and nobody out. The San Diego Padres turn a triple play to not only beat the Dodgers but to officially clench a playoff spot. Like you said, now just two games back of the Dodgers still with two to play with them over the weekend. I believe. Excuse me. Maybe it's one more to play at this point. No, it is still two more to play. Excuse me. They played tonight and tomorrow to back with two to play. I'll be honest with you, John. I've been saying this for a while and I know it wouldn't match up likely until the NLCS. If there were a team that I don't want the Phillies to face the playoffs, it's been the Padres for about three weeks now. They're playing some really, really good. And there's a big revenge factor because the Phillies have had their number. So I agree with you. I do. I agree with you. But, but, you know, a handful of games to be played today. The Mets and the Braves are at it again. The Baltimore Orioles clench a playoff spot with a win last night over the Yankees. Some of the other games have merit as we talked about the Padres and the Dodgers will play again today. The Tigers look to play it to beat the Reds. They win last night two to one in another game that finished under the two hour mark in the 2024 season. The Tigers have, like, I know we just talked about them. I have so much, so much praise for this team because they sent Spencer Torkelson down to begin the season. He was really, really struggling. Bobby Baez continued his downward descent into almost a non-factor at this point. But, but, you know, it was Terrick Scooble and everybody else, but this starting rotation has been really good. They trade Jack Flaherty. I wonder. I know that they get something in return. I wonder if they're starting to regret moving on from Jack Flaherty at this point, but the Tigers have done a really, really nice job in the second half. Pretty amazing story for sure. All right. T-Max coming up here in just a minute. By the way, programming reminder, T-Max a good get, but tomorrow on the program, maybe the biggest guests we've had in studio right at this time, Herb from Northeast Philly, scheduled and confirmed to join us tomorrow. If you don't know Herb, you better check him out tomorrow. If you do know Herb, you better check him out tomorrow. So Herb from Northeast Philly booked on the show for tomorrow. All right. T-Max in a second, but listen, true mark. Check him out. You're traveling all around. Maybe you're not even traveling. True mark financials mobile app allows you account access anytime, anywhere. Check your balance, view transactions, make transfers, pay bills right from the convenience of your mobile phone. 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My high school upper moral and five and oh, which is quite an accomplishment. They've been killing it the last couple of years. So congratulations to those guys. You know, else is killing at the Phillies. Tom McCarthy with with us there, uh, oh, there he is. See this dude is so generous with his time. He was partying, infinity live with, uh, yeah, I think I'll hell them over the balcony, like Simba, the other day, what's up, Tom? Got me? I got you, John. You got me? What's going on? How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Yeah, I was partying. All right. Good thing I don't sleep much. It's funny because, uh, look, I got some band aids on my head. So I last night we were talking about this thing that was on my cheek, John croc sought on my face last night and he goes, you should go get that checked and I was like, yeah, maybe I will. So in the in between innings, I checked and saw my dermatologist had an opening this morning at seven 30. And well, guess what? It's a good thing. I got it checked. Hold on a second. You went to the dermatologist at seven 30 and then you came back to, to do this. Thank you so much. You didn't have to do that. Hey, they're pretty quick. Okay. Is there a, are you okay? Is there a diagnosis? I see the band aid on your right cheek. I don't know. They did a biopsy. It's like a squamous cell. It's all good though. And with this head, there's so much stuff going on there. Well, you're shut. You look like you put Mr. Clean on the head this morning. It looks good, Tom. I do. Thank you for saying that. Mr. Clean. That would be Mr. Clean that I gave. So last night's being termed the hangover game. I hope so. They party. They, so listen, Rob Thompson told them to go out and party tonight. Nobody knows if they were really drinking heavily or they just went out a little bit later than normal, but when you come out and you look at the game and they were losing 10 to two, I'll say it was more that Kobe Allard came in and pitched. And their first three starters that came in, including Taiwan Walker, gave up 10 runs in the first couple innings. So was it combined with it? Maybe they were out a little bit later that the previous night? I mean, I don't know. It's easy to say that, but I don't think I don't think staying out and they weren't out that late, but I don't think staying out at anything to do with it. I just think it was just it was just poor pitching, honestly, I mean, you you get a one nothing lead and you can't hold it right away, obviously. And then you just implode after that. You know, the number five spot has has been good at times this year with Turnbull and Tyler Phillips when he first came up, and it's not been good. They have an ERA of almost seven, the number five spot in the rotation. So last night's the last night, it's going to have to be utilized. And I think it's got obvious it will obviously be addressed in the off season, right? But you know, I don't think it had anything to do with being celebrating the night before, you know, maybe the thought process of who we won the National League East, but they really do want obviously one of the top two sees and they would love to have the top seed. So, you know, I think it's I think it was just bad pitching last night. Yeah. And the sense of urgency drops down a little bit based on you clenching and get revs back up now that you're like, all right, we need to win these games. Tom, you're with as especially in baseball, you do a hundred and sixty two of them and you don't do the full hundred and sixty two because you're very busy with the NFL, but you're doing damn near all of them. And so you're traveling with the team, you're with the team constantly. You see Rob, you see the coaches every day. This team right here, they seem very close. The other teams as well, what like, what's the, what's this team like? What's the identity? What is kind of the personality of this team compared to the previous two of this, of this run right here? Well, it's very similar to the previous two. But I do think they've gotten closer over the last year or so. And I think losing to the Diamondbacks has sort of fueled that because it's sort of a collective disappointment from last year losing game seven. And quite frankly, Johnny, they should never have come back from Arizona without the trophy last year. They shouldn't have. And they know that. But I think that they've grown together with another year, they are extremely close. It's very similar to the OA team after losing in '07, kind of get shell shot in '07 to the Rockies, very similar to the OA team, very similar to the '09 team as well. So I like that they've grown together, they've added some pieces that really do fit the puzzle in this clubhouse. And you know, I'm excited to see what they do. I know that their offense has still been up and down at times, but I'm excited to see what they do in the postseason just because they have this drive to be better than they were last year. Yeah, this year, the bullpen seems like a real strength as opposed to last year. Once you got in the playoffs, once Alvarado kind of lost it, they were in big trouble. Before we get to that, let me ask you, I think the one burning question that Phillies fans have is what is Rob Thompson going to do with the starting rotation? How do they line it up? Is it Aaron? It's the number two, Chris Sanchez pitches that much better at home. Any insider or what would you do if you were lining up this playoff rotation? Well, we talked to him yesterday a little bit about it when we had our meeting as broadcasters and he hasn't decided yet. And I think a lot of it has to do with who the matchup is, you know, whether they're going to face the Padres or the Diamondbacks or, you know, the Braves, the Mets, whoever it's going to be. So I think that'll dictate a lot of it. I do think he's chewing over the fact that he wants Sanchez, that Sanchez will pitch game two, two reasons split up the two right-handers, but also give him the home game. The other part of it though is that Noah has pitched really well at home over the years. So, you know, he's weighing that as well. So I don't think there's anything set and he's usually pretty forthright with us when it comes to the planning part of it. He wants to take care of the top two seeds first and then because he, you know, at that point he'll know who he's off next week, then he can sort of decide what he wants to do depending on the matchup, who's going to pitch game two? Yeah. Another game one, I would say that it's probably he's probably leaning toward Nola game two, only because of being the steadiest of guys reputation wise or past years wise. But I don't think he's adverse to thinking the way everybody else is that Christopher should be game two starting. Manny's been so good. We had, we had, we had Scott Fransky on with us last week, I think, and he had said one of the reasons that one of the things you don't have to consider with Nola is he very much is a, hey, Aaron, we're going to make you the third starter. It's exactly right. And he'll be like, okay, sounds good. You're not going to worry about pissing him off or upsetting chemistry in the clubhouse. Nope. Not even a little bit. You know, he's the guy that you want to hang out with and watch TV with, go to the movies with, just say, hey, man, you want to, you want to go to a Burger King or McDonald's to, I don't care, like that's who he is, man, who he is. And that's why I, I don't think it's going to be a topic of worry. I think if it happens, it's going to be because of match ups and because of comfort level for Christopher. But yeah, I don't think he's going to be phased at all about it. Bounce back to the bullpen for a second, man. I mean, as, as, and as step as hasn't been, I mean, he's been really good. But it really, what it does is it makes the rest of your bullpen that much better. Jeff Hoffman in the eighth inning, holy cow, man. I mean, he, he is one of the best eighth inning guys in baseball. Now Kirk Ring doesn't have to be used in the eighth inning as much. Alvarado is kind of a wild card. Um, strum and Alvarado had gotten good again for that stretch right there. This bullpen, if a starter can give you six innings, which is so difficult in the playoffs, I know that I feel much better about this team closing games out than I did in that Diamondback series. Well, I would agree. And I think you're right. Kirk Ring can go in the seventh inning and he could be dominant in the seventh inning. And this is a starting staff that they're not going to, you know, I know they changed a couple of years ago when they took like wheeler out in the game against the Astros, which, you know, could have led to the Phillies having an additional run against the Astros. I think Rob's going to take the same approach with at least the top three guys that he took during the off, during the regular season. Now, if he sees something, he may pull them out early, but I think he's going to leave them in there, you know, for as long as they possibly can because they've shown this year how good they are. I mean, the starters have the most wins in baseball. They've gone the deepest of any other team on a consistent base that's averaging over six innings per outing. So, but I think it's true. I mean, you got Kirk Ring in the seventh. You can throw strum in the seventh or eighth, you got Alvarado that you can go if you want to in the seventh to get a lefty out or anybody out at this point, because I think his stuff is better. And then I don't think he has it set for the ninth inning. I do think he likes the Hoffman Estebes, you know, sort of back and forth. But I do think there'll be times where you'll still see Hoffman close it out if the matchup calls for it for some reason. Another great Dave Dombrowski find where he was on waivers anybody could have had him, but man, Hoffman has been at all-star level where he's been in all sorts since they got him. He has resurrected his career. Actually, he's given himself a career. That's the thing. He's given himself a career because he's going to get three years and whatever money next year. 45 million? It's just inevitable. And I hope it's with the Phillies, but he's played himself into a very nice contract. And honestly, John, he's a hard worker. He's a great dude. He is also somebody that, you know, that deserves this because he's worked hard to get to this point. Yeah, great. It's a great story. Tyler Zoulin, my producer and also of PHLY Phillies, asked a great question. It's back to starting pitching. So will he set the rotation at the beginning of the series or could it possibly be, Hey, what happens in game one? Does that change things? Which I don't think with, I don't think with with Thompson, with Thompson, I think it's going to be, he'll set it before, before the series. And I just think that he, there's a sense of normalcy that Rob would like. And I think he feels like if he has it set, then there's no doubt in anybody's head. Like, let's say if, let's say the Phillies lose game one. And if he shows any kind of panic, which he never does, that sometimes seeps into the clubhouse. I believe if you're a manager that shows that, or shows body language or anything like that, I think he'll set it before everything gets underway. Now, could he change it if they advance to the championship series? Absolutely. But I think for this series, he'll set it before we go, set it and forget it. Like Ron Popeil and the, that's exactly right. And the Popeil, whatever that, that, that cooker thing was. All right. So TMac, by the way, I, we appreciate it. Cause we know you're a big star these days, CBS football, play by play. Very, very busy. Now Tom, I go, I go way back to you. I've never talked to you about this. I was a big fan of talking baseball. I, I, I'm obviously a, I'm, I'm a huge fan of radio. And so from, I think it was 2001 to 2005, you did the pre and post. Yeah. And you also did some play by play and you did talk in baseball. So you were doing a pregame that was really kind of like, let's talk baseball and you took phone calls on it. I always enjoyed it, enjoyed that show. You go to the Mets for a couple of years. You come back and that's when you have more, you know, that's when you're really full-time play by play TMac, but you're also the former voice of the Princeton Bears football and basketball. And your most famous call with Princeton, I believe, was the 96 NCAA tournament where 15 beats two. So UCLA won the national championship in, I guess it would have 1995. Correct. Oh, who, and who was on, who was on that team? The banning, the, the O'Bannon brothers were on that. Correct. Yep. And, and what the heck is the little point guards name? Yeah, I'm blanking on his name. But yeah, that was my, that was my first NCAA tournament game was Princeton against UCLA. And I still have the tape. It's on a cassette tape and I have to, I have to EQ the cassette recorder and I got to make sure my cassette recorder still works all the time because I haven't moved over to digital, which I should, but I have to EQ it because if I don't, then it sounds like this, what I do it. Right. And the first game I had ever done, and I'm like, man, this is unbelievable. This is what it's going to be like moving forward 15 beats too. So Princeton beats. And it was a high scoring game, 43 to 41 if I remember correctly. Yeah. And that was typical. Princeton under Pete Carroll. It was career. Last year also. Oh, it was. So that was a hoot being with him the whole year and doing the interview with him before every game. Wow. You know, we were out in Fresno State. He was, we were taking on the shark when he was the head coach of Fresno State. And I remember walking with Pete to the luncheon for this tournament that we had with Fresno State. He had a cigar in his mouth. He never lit it anymore. And there was a railing going up the stairs to the luncheon. He takes the cigar out and he puts it in the railing, like right into the railing itself. And then we come out two hours later and he grabs it out of the railing and puts it back in his mouth as we're walking away. I mean, it was, it was unbelievable the whole experience of doing games with him. I actually, I actually had it down that, what was it like working with him? I didn't realize it was the last season. His last year. Wow. It's amazing. Well, he went on to be a, he was a Sacramento for many years after that. Yeah. Bill Carmody took over after that. And then John Thompson. And that's when I left to go to St. Joe's for that year, they went to the elite eight. Wow. That's amazing. Now, how would you rate your call on that? Because you're obviously still early in the business. How was your final call? Well, well, well, that's, that's Reese's peanut butter, cut McCarthy right there. That's barking at something. That's all right. So I rate that call as not knowing a damn thing of what I was doing to be quite honestly. So I liked it. I liked everything about it. And then I listened back to it and I said, and the upstart Princeton time, like upstart, I've never used upstart, I've never used it before. And I've never used it again. I have no idea where that came from. But other than that, I loved it because I was, I don't want to say I was scared or anything like that because I wasn't, but I was like, holy crap, I mean, this is unbelievable. And I had to make sure that, you know, I got in the defending national champions were out. And back then, John, they never really, I mean, I was no social media. So the only way for me to listen back to it was through the cassette and then ESPN ran it that night. Like I'm watching, we're in the, we're in like one of the rooms that they have set up for everybody, the media rooms, right, and they have ESPN on and they didn't have like top 10. I guess they had top 10 plays. Anyway, they ran my call and I'm like, what the hell, like, how did they get? I thought it was good. The only thing I talked with such a nasal back then, like I talked through my nose, like I sounded like Sylvester Stallone and Rocky sometimes that I, but I got to get it. I got to get the call. Honestly, like I'm at four o'clock in the morning, I'm looking up some stuff and I'm googling, trying to get the radio call, which is Gus Johnson did the TV call. He did. Yeah. Gus did the TV. Which I heard, but if I would have had another day, if I would have thought of this yesterday, I would have emailed Princeton and said, Hey, can you get away? You can get me this. I would love to hear it. Jerry Price has it from Princeton. I have it. Like I said, I'd have to, I would have to put it, I'd have to put my phone over it. And that's how you would get it. That's pretty much the only way. I probably have it somewhere on my computer because I, I know I probably sent it to somebody when they were doing some kind of a, a retrospective that, but it's out there. I just couldn't find it. Listen, I knew it. I knew it was never a play that they had run, right? I knew that. So I was, you're always ready for the back door with them. And I felt good that I sort of described everything the right way and I gave the score and all that other stuff. But I'm telling you, when I said the upstart Princeton Tigers, I listened to it even today. Like, what the hell was upstart? All right. So, so here's my question. Do you write stuff down because you just had, you just called the, the Phillies won the NL East. I actually went back and I listened to Harry's call when they won in 93, they clinched the division. It was Don Paul, like, Oh, Don Paul, the Phillies win, right? Do you, you know that you're going in the moment that they're going to clinch at some point? So do you, do you just have things in your head? You're going to say, or how do you grow about doing it? I, I just have things in my head. I don't, I don't like the script anything at all. You know, the only thing that I wanted to make sure that I got in, and it's funny, my kids had a bet. They said, before I did it, what I would say, the only thing I knew I wanted to say, it's, it was 13 years, and it was their 12th National League East crown, right? Because back in 81, they had the split season, and the expos and the Phillies both won a half of that season. But the expos won in that postseason, so it didn't technically count as a National League East crown, which some, some spots say it is, some spots say it isn't, but it's not technically. So I wanted to make sure I had those two things, but I never write anything down. You know, if I do anything, there may be a bullet point or two about a reflection on something in my book, but I always feel that I can always tell when somebody writes down a big call, yes, and I don't want that to be it. It sounds like it. If to me, it comes out, whatever way it comes out, it comes out and it's live TV or live radio. I just want to make sure that it's factually correct. And you sort of collect the moment, you know, of, of what's happening. Yeah. So no, I never write anything out. Man. Listen, we are, we are lucky and Philadelphia to have not only the TV broadcast or radio broadcast. You guys are the best, whether you're in the car or you're watching on TV, nobody has it like this in the country for us. All right. Last thing, NFL, so far you did the Arizona Buffalo game, which was a hell of a game. Buffalo came back big in the second half. And then you had the Chargers in Carolina, you might have done play by play for Bryce Young's last start in the NFL, Tom McCarthy. I don't know if he's getting back. Well, it's funny. I think he's going to get traded at some point. He needs to go somewhere like with to when he found a head coach that used his skills. And I'm not saying that Bryce Young's to it all because he's much smaller. He needs to find a system that fits what he did at Alabama in some way, shape or form. And I don't think it's in Carolina right now. Yeah. All the hards out there, all the, all the great listeners and everybody out there. Thank the diehards. I agree with you, Tom. It's not going to happen in Carolina, not with that owner. And I mean, he's got it. He was drafted number one overall for a reason. He's not your Marcus Russell, but they need somebody that can actually get that out of him. He might be too small. He might be too small and not big enough of an arm or elusive enough. He looks a lot different playing in the NFL than he did in college. That's for sure. He does. And he's, but he's such a great kid. He's smart. I do think he can figure it out, but I don't think it's as a starter right now. I just think he needs, he needs a little seasoning and he needs a, and I'm not saying that Dave Canales is not a good coach. He could be. He just needs something, he also needs a, he needs a more of a running game. Not that Chuba Hubbard hasn't run the ball well the last couple of weeks, but I still think he needs somebody else in that capacity too. Yeah. You have a game this week or? Yeah, no, I was supposed to be in Vegas for the Browns and Raiders, but I wasn't sure of our clinching. So I cleared my schedule for last week. It turned out I wouldn't have had a game on TV, but I might have been. I might have had a radio game for Westwood, but I cleared this week from CBS just because I wasn't sure about our clinching and they're really good about it, about making sure that I sort of coordinate where I am and when I'm at a specific game. All right. There he is. The best. Hopefully you everything with the cheek goes okay to tell Kucker you tell Krucker you're feeling better. Everything got taken care of. He's very, he's very happy. I texted him this morning. I couldn't believe he was awake, but he's very happy about the fact that I got it. I can't believe he was awake. Tom, you are a gracious is your time. Thank you. Great talking to you. All right guys. Be good. All right. There he is. T Mac Tom McCarthy. Guys. Awesome. Just love him. All right. A really awesome stable both on the radio side and the TV side for baseball. Scott and T Mac are both fantastic. Yeah. And I've talked to Tom about this before in an interview and it just wasn't the place for time to do it today, but like he wasn't well liked for a while trying to take over for how to call us. He was the new guy. It's an unfortunate spot to put yourself in your stepping in the in the footsteps of a legend. You were broadcasting with the Mets and you're from Jersey. Hard job to fill. Damn. It is. It's done a tremendous job. And I think he's gotten better and better as the years go on. He's great. I would say 98 out of 100 play by play guys would have failed and would already be out of here. And he was resilient and he worked really hard at it and you know, Tom's awesome. And Philly fans definitely, you know, like things have changed with Tom's in the last 15 years when people were were mad that he was taking over for Harry. All right. We're back tomorrow. Again, listen, this is the biggest guest we've ever had on the show. We're from Northeast Philly is going to join us live in studio. Can we handle the excitement? And we're going to play ask her hashtag ask her if you have a question, we will ask the best comma worst on the air to herb tomorrow and we'll talk about everything else as well. Shout out to everybody out there. We'll talk to you tomorrow at eight o'clock.