- What's going on? - Back to that thrasher music, baby, back to that thrasher. - Yeah, we got quite an episode here. So we had to play some pump up music right out of gate. - Listen, let's not bury the lead here, right? We shouldn't need pump up music today for you. Good, sir. Absolutely fucking smoking that 100 mile race. Absolutely crushing, congratulations. - Well, thank you, thank you for saying that. I don't feel like I crushed it, but I did get it done, which was the most important thing. - I mean, your body feels like you crushed it, right? - My body does. - Johnny and I were just talking before we started recording, and he's like, how you feeling? I'm like, you know, today's the day where it's all kind of hitting. You know, it's like a jet lag. You stay up all night Saturday and your body just is kind of in shock for a couple of days. You feel decent. You're like, oh man, recovery's going well. And then midweek, it's like, bang. - Yeah, I tend to come in. My recovery comes in two waves. The first one is physical, right? Like the day after, like your legs are tired, obviously really, really stiff. Your feet may or may not be chewed up, but like basically everything from like the waist down kind of hurts. That's my Monday, right? That's my Monday. And maybe a little bit of Tuesday, but like you're saying- - Some feet falling. - My Wednesday Thursday of the after rates is really almost all waist up. It's like all shifts. And like you have that weird like kind of drowsy tired. - It's exactly right, man. - And like you'll be awake and then also you're super tired again. It is an odd thing that we do to our bodies for sure. - Yeah, I'm at the four to five cups of coffee a day level right now. - No, all right. Now you're not as big as, you're not a big dude like me. Do you get really hungry? Are you like just starving nonstop the last couple of days? - You know, it goes in waves. I have eaten a lot, but I haven't really been like ravishing, starving like I am sometimes after even long training runs. I'll be like massively hungry the day after. And, but this time I haven't been like starving, but I have put away a lot of food though. I'll say that. - Yeah. Yeah. That's my other big thing. So I'm like, dude, I can, I just, I am hungry. Like I can eat, I can eat all the foods. - Yeah. You know, you get into quite a big calorie deficit. - Yeah. - Oh. - So, so was that race, was the course or anything? Everything you'd hope a dream did be? - Yeah. So I did this race. I did mountain lakes in 2017 and I DNFed around mile 70. And they did change the course a little bit this year. Like the first loop south of O'Lally Lake where the start finishes is, it's pretty technical. It used to be 24 miles. But they changed that loop to 12 miles and there's probably like four miles of, a force like service road in, in that 12 miles. So the first 12 miles went, you know, there was some, some technical trails, but it overall, it went a lot quicker than, you know, than my pace was there in 2017. And then you get on the Pacific Crest Trail. - Yeah. - It's like 30 miles. And it's just, and that first, that out, it's like a stem out. And then you can end up coming back on the Pacific Crest Trail at the end. But that 30 miles out is a lot of, it's net downhill. - Yeah. - And it's like gradual downhill. So it's, yeah, you can let it rip. I had a, I had a pretty good pace going that first 40 miles. - Oh yeah, do we, do we want to tell folks, let's, let's, let's tell folks. Let's define a, you can let it rip. Let's tell folks what kind of pace we were on. - I was, I was, I was definitely on like 24 hour pace. Like, you know, getting into mile 40. - Yeah. - You know, and then you think, oh man, like I can, I can even hike at a 15 minute mile right now, you know, so as long as I can, as long as I can keep shuffling running and, and hiking and then, you know, I got to mile 40, I think it's 46 eight station. - Yeah. - And reality, the sun was starting to go down to kick in. There was, at mile 46 eight station, then you do a eight mile out to this place called Frog Lake. And then, and that's a, it's pretty much an eight mile climb. And then eight mile downhill on the way back. So it's 16 mile, you know, the out and back is 16 mile total. - Yeah. - Some of the lead runners were already done with that out and back. When I was getting into mile 46 eight station, they were done with that part and they were heading off to complete this other loop around the Timothy lake. And I'm like, what the fuck? - It's so weird how, and like, as uber experienced runners, we should know not to let that demoralize us. - Yeah. - Really amazing how bad that just kicks you in a teeth sometimes. You're like, oh, what the fuck? You're like, damn. - Yeah. - But it is, it is a weird feeling. So, so, go ahead, go ahead. - I'll just say on the way, on the way back from that eight mile out, there was, you know, still people on their way, on their way up. So that's the other side of it. I'm like, okay, I feel a little better about myself. - Yeah. So where do they make up? You said the year you DNF, it had a, a bigger bottom section. Where do they make that up this year? - That's that out and back to frog lake. - That eight miles, that 16 is the, the makeup. - That was, that was new as of last year. They changed it, of course. So, so that's the section that's new to me. It was okay. It was okay. It was kind of a grind, um, getting up there. But, um, you know, cause it just gotten dark and started getting cold. Um, but yeah, it was okay. It wasn't terrible. But, you know, I had some hip flexor issues. I'm used to training on steep climbs. - Yeah. - You know, uh, and these climbs are all gradual. - Yeah. - So you're, you're hiking fast. You're, you're doing a lot more running than I'm used to, you know. - Yeah. - Uh, so I had some hip flexor issues that heal pain that I've been having all throughout training on the outside of my heel. It's not like plantar fasciitis. It's like something on the outside of my heel. That started about mile 10. So I was dealing with that for a long time. - Awesome. - Awesome. - And then, you know, the Sunday morning when it got warm enough out to take off all this cold weather gear that I had on. - Yeah. - My pack was like loaded. And I had like the batteries for my waistlamp in there and everything. And like, like my back, my mid back just started killing. - Yeah. - Like, yeah, I could go through all the million excuses. - Yeah, yeah. - But I mean, but shit. - I got redemption. - So you got redemption on it, but also like, like, yeah, you were on pace for 24. We didn't hold onto that, but still you're finishing time was really, really good. - Yeah. - 28, I think 2836 was my finishing time. - Yeah. - So I mean, I'll take it, you know, I'm not complaining. I got the buckle. That was my A goal was to finish, right? - Yeah. - B goal was like, if I was having the best day of my life, we'd been like 26 hours. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I can't complain. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Good. Congratulations. Good job. - And there was, and we'll get into this one. We get to the race results, but there was a contingent from the Bay area that was at that race that did really well. - Sorry. - Well, I didn't really know them, but they're all associated with the San Francisco running company, which is, you know, it's a shoe store that's geared towards trail, trail and ultra running. - Yeah. - But yeah, we'll get into that when we get to the race results, but I would say we can't bury the lead lead. - We got, we got, we got to jump right into this. It's like, listen, what we're about to talk about is, is such big news. Like, this is, this is such big news. My wife who, I mean, she's, she's my wife, like, so first off, we know a kind of nonsense she has to put up with. But even she texted me this morning. "Hey, today, will you actually record? Are you going to talk about Tara Dower?" And I'm like, "What?" I'm like, "Hell yeah." I'm like, "All right, then." All right, my wife knew about it. I am on a work call earlier today, talking to one of my, wait, was this, yes, this is today. Yes, I'm on a work call talking to one of my folks, one of my people, that lives up in Massachusetts. And she's like, "Hey, like, do you know anything? Have you heard of this lady who hyped or ran or something like the whole AT?" Now, my, what? And then so then all of a sudden this poor woman on my team has to list me, go on, acknowledge you about, well, then she said he's called FKT, he's fastest no times. And like, you know, like the AT in particular, you can do it like north to south, south to north, supported. And I was like, "Oh, by the way." And I was just like, "Listen, like I, I've been off before I get you. I just simply want to know if you do it by the way." Hell yeah, I know about it. I was all in, but anywho, here we go, Tara Dowerboom. Yeah, less fucking go, Tara. So amazing. So, for those of you who don't know, Tara Dower just set the FKT on the Appalachian Trail. Not only did she set, you know, she went northbound, or she went southbound. So she went from north to south. Yeah, yep, yep. And not only did she set the FKT from north to south, which was, which was more time than the FKT from south to north, but she also set the south to north. She broke the south to north time as well, right? So she currently holds the fastest time on the Appalachian Trail. Yeah. She was supported, which most of these FKT attempts are on the Appalachian Trail, but yeah. Yeah, she, she's the first human to do less than 41 hours on the Appalachian Trail, right? No, 41 days, less than 41 days. Yeah, I couldn't imagine hours, right? That's like a dead ass, like 5K sprint, the entire 18th. I don't even think it's possible that it was like over 2000 miles. No, so she did 40 days, 18 hours and five minutes. Yeah. She averaged almost 55 miles a day, which is kind of unheard of because some of that train in the north where she started is, you know, you're looking at 25 to 30 miles a day through that stuff because it's so rugged. But I guess the last day she did 100 plus mile effort. Yeah, it's just insane. It's insane. Yeah. And, you know, if you look at this post on her Instagram, I mean, you got John Kelly, Courtney DeWaltter, Killian Jornette, like dirt diva, that's a catcher Corbett, Dylan Bowman at run free trail, you know, like ultra running. I think she's sponsored by them, but still in Genji Harvey Lewis, you have all these people commenting on this, like, you know, it is a big, big deal. You know, that's, she, she's beaten Carl Meltzer had had the FKT for a while. Carol Sab was the current FKT holder for north to south, and Carl, you know, he's just, he just set the PCT record. So, yeah. So yeah, I mean, just, just incredible. And, you know, we've been following it all along on ultra running news network. We've been to giving her status updates the best we can. That was one thing they were kind of, they gave us just enough information to kind of know where she was at, but yeah, yeah, but we really didn't have too many details. And I think that's just because she had such a small crew, which even makes us more impressive. She had that one, that one girl that was pacing her, like, in almost every video that she was pacing her so she must have had hundreds of miles. Like, I can't imagine, like, she's wore out. Like, so that's, like, I often really, really love seeing the aftermath, like, I love, like, the aftermath of these kind of things. The, some of the photos that have come out of them just like, absolutely, it's been more on the story, like, if you, if you click on our story, that some of those pictures of them, like, rack out on the front porch. And, you know, basically using one of those pillows and different positions. Like, it has been just the funniest last couple of days to just kind of be a fly on the wall and see the kind of stuff. You know, it's been really cool. Yeah, if everything I've been reading, like, she was really rough in it, you know, just kind of sleeping wherever and, which, you know, it, it just makes it all the more all the better that her accomplishment. So, let's see here. There was some video here of her finishing. And, you know, there was, like, seven or eight people. One of the funniest comments was, like, imagine you just set the record on the Appalachian Trail in less than 41 days, and you finish to a crowd of, like, seven people clapping. I'll say there was a lot of hater comments out there too. Like, really? People, I was reading on this, this particular post, like, like this. You know, this can't be, you know, this can't be real. How, how would you, how would you cheat on the AT? Yeah, how would you cheat on the AT, like, what you think they threw her in, like, a side by side or some bullshit and cruised out, like, by my power. Yeah, like, you say they just rolled down the trail five months on the AT somewhere, like, and, and not to worry it. So this, we should be clear. This is still being verified by the website. So they will go through all the data. And, you know, I can guarantee it with 99.999% certainty that she did the trail, like, absolutely. She's an experience through hiker. She's a sub elite, if not elite, ultra runner. You know, like, and she had the drive, dude, she had the drive. She's, this is something that's been on her goals for, for years. So, well, well, I just saw on the one article, the one article. She, it even says, like, once she hit a certain point. Oh, dar made her intentions of going after a subs record clear before the start. Like, she, she, I grabbed a rip. She's like, Oh, yeah, I'm going, I'm going after all of it. I want. Yes. Yeah, she absolutely did say that she was going to. She was going to set the fastest time period. Doesn't matter which direction, north, south, north. So, and I, I sometimes, you know, like, I don't know, man, like, I've never thought about an FKT so far from, like, the realms of possibilities for me, other than maybe like if I went out and created one on a bicycle path, like from my house to the right, why I might be able to hold that for like a day. But like, I often kind of wonder if, like, like Carl, when he did the south and north, right, was his thing like, okay. I'm going to take the new FKT and they get the new FKT. But are you, when you're doing something like that, when you're doing something that grand. Are you also looking at, I'm going to smash. You know, I mean, like, like, I just wonder how, like, how much gusto you put into it. So if she was going into the gusto of like, Oh no, I'm going after Carl's also. You know, so I got to wonder how much of that there is also like, Hey, listen, like, if you've never had the fire to do this, you know, and like you're like, okay, I'm going to do that. What's your shoe for what's going to aim, you know, or what's your aim for what you want to hit kind of thing. Yeah. So she, yeah, and she absolutely had a distance of per day in mind, you know, I think you're right. Like all, like Carl, he knows, he knows how much distance he wanted to average. And I'm sure they leave them, try to leave themselves a little padding as well. Yep. Yep. So yeah, no, definitely. Yeah, she knew what she knew what she was doing, obviously. And it paid off. It is so, it is so freaky impressive. Yeah. Yeah, I get it so is so insane. Think about this. Most people through hike the Appalachian Trail in six months is the average time. Right. Yeah. She did it in like, like a little over a month. A month and 10 days. That's right. Like it's like, I mean, you could really just boil it down and say she did. She did this in one sixth of the time. It takes the average person to do it. Yep. Absolutely. What the F. What in the world? You know what I mean? Yeah. It's such a cool story. It's honestly one of my favorite stories of the year already. Yeah. What day was it that she finished up? Was that like? So she finished it very, very, very early hours a Sunday morning. Okay. And because I woke up Saturday morning, like Jamie suffering out in the woods. Like, who else is suffering? When I flipped open Instagram and like when I flipped open Instagram, it was like the storage area of like her finishing. I'm like that. I mean, it's dark, right? So it's, I'm guessing it's gotta be, it's gotta be what? Probably three, four in the morning. You know what I mean? Cause there's not even, there's not even, there's not even like, I can't. So, but maybe five. You know, she, it was, what do we say it was 40, 40 days. You know, 18 hours. 40 days, 18 hours. Yeah. So yeah, you're probably, it was probably around four or five in the morning. You know, cause I think she probably started in the morning on. Like when it was laid out from Mount Cated in. Yeah. So she, I mean, like. And we know, and we know she did a hundred plus day, hundred plus mild day the day before. So, you know, I mean, she probably, she probably chilled out, got extra good sleep the day before. Yeah. And then we'll try it. Right. Yeah. I'm like, bust out a hundred miler today. And, you know, at that point in a race or a run, a hundred by took her as long as it takes a more tool to do it. You know, I probably took her a solid 30 hours. You know what I mean? Well, I bet you should beat my mountain lakes time. Dude, that is a fascinating thing to wonder. I. Dude, I want to know that so bad. I want to know what her last leg was. There's a hundred plus one. I want a hundred plus has a range. Right. I was at one on one was at one 10. I guess a hundred plus. I want to know. I want to know what it was, but I want to know how long it took her to do it. And I want to stack it up against your mountain lakes. And I call my other hundred mile finishes. It's just all right. That'd be so funny to see. That's good stuff. Hell yeah. All right. Well, we got a lot more to talk about today. So let's, let's jump into some race results here. We can start with mountain lakes, which we've already talked about a little bit. I do want to say that the weather at the race was freaking incredible. Like you couldn't have any more perfect weather. It was like maybe low 60s and, you know, sort of sunny and sort of cloudy during the day. And then it got down into maybe the 30s at night. But it was dry. You know, my feet didn't get wet at all. There was no chance of my feet getting wet. So the weather was was absolutely, you know, you couldn't draw it up any better. So, yeah, I got lucky. In 2017, when I did the race, a foot of snow dropped on the course, the Wednesday before the race, and it kind of made it crazy. So, oh, one other thing I want to say. So this is so weird. Since I was a kid, my lucky number has been 43, because the reason is I guessed the amount of stuff in this jar on this contest, and it was 43. And I guessed 43 and it was, it was exactly right. So I've always been like 43 is my lucky number. I play it in keynote. My brother has four numbers he always plays so I use those four numbers plus 43. And I've hit like jackpots on that a couple times. So then I'm looking up my bid number to put on my drop bag. 43. Oh, baby. It was, it was, that was a good sign. Yeah. Okay, let's look at the results. Like I said, there was a Bay Area contingent that showed up, and I heard, I heard this at mile 62, because they asked where I was from at the aid station. And I said, San Francisco, and he's like, oh, there's Bay Area, Bay Area speedsters down here crushing it. And first place was Will Gusick from Mill Valley, right, right up north across the bridge there. Second place was Eric Colton from Bend, Oregon, and Ben isn't too far from where the race was. Maybe an hour or two. And Charles Kai from San Francisco was third place male and Ben Moore from Mill Valley was fourth. So, so Bay Area took three out of the top four spots. And then let's see first place female was Julia Sarti from Portland. Oh, the first place male time was 17 hours and 15 minutes. And Julia's first place time was 19 hours and 45 minutes. And second place female was Melissa Quinn from Milwaukee, Oregon. There's a lot of city names that are the same as other states. They have a Detroit, Oregon. Yeah. And they have a Dayton right. They have a Milwaukee. And they have a Portland, which there's a Portland main. Yeah, yeah, I think it's one of those things we're like, as, because it's one of the last states, maybe like people just cut out there and they're like, Oh, well, I was originally from this city. Yeah, there is something to that I looked into Detroit, Oregon once and it was something had some ties to Detroit. So, in Cindy Shepard was third place female. So, this race is pretty, pretty nice. There's like 11,500 feet of climbing. The climbs are all gradual, you know, and it's kind of, they kind of make some long right you're like, yeah, where's the top of this climb just because it's not steep it, you know, it drags on and drags on. But the downhills are nice, the whole section on the Pacific Crest Trail is nice those trails are great. You know, it's, I would say this is a great beginner 100 mile race. Really? Okay. Yeah. The only difficult thing is that the logistics are a little hard because your crew can only go to mile 12 mile 40 mile 68 mile 72, which isn't too bad. Okay. Yeah, you're pretty much on your own for like the last 30 miles, you know, so. Yeah, and what's kind of interesting you said mile 12 and then mile 40. Yeah. Man, that cats, that's a. Well, then 68 right so you're two stretches of 28 miles without crew. And then if you're going to use a pacer, the only place you can pick up a pacer is mile 68 or 72. And they have to stay with you. If they get you at mile 72, they have to stay with you all the way until you could get at mile 98, I think, or mile 97 and a half. There is a place you could you could trap them off to your crew, but anyway, it's. I would say it's a great first time hundred mile, you know, if somebody out there is going to run their first hundred mile or wants a nice scenic. Yeah. With pretty good trails overall, the aid stations are great. Like the volunteers are phenomenal. Yeah, no complaints at all is it go beyond racing is a really great race company. I've done a couple of their races. So it's very cool. Yeah. All right. Well, let's move on. We got still have quite a bit of other. And like what's great. This is big news to this. This one feels funny because like I swear we were just talking about, huh, where's he at? Okay. Yep. All right. We're going to, we're going to jump into this. So grindstone races were this weekend. Yeah. And grindstone is now a UTMB race. So, and this, you know, they're, they're doing away. It's not going to be a hard rock qualifier after this year, but it is still a hard rock qualifier this year. Right. So this year it's a UTMB qualifier. It's a hard rock qualifier. And I believe it's a Western States qualifier too. All right. So, so you get all three with that. And I couldn't believe it when I saw social media on Instagram or something and, and they were interviewing an anti group. Yeah. Like what made you want to run grindstone? I'm like, wait, what? Like that was completely under the radar that he was in grindstone way, way under the radar. Yeah. Yep. Like nobody knew about it. I don't think our people were definitely not, we're, we're definitely not talking about it. But he just showed up there like a boss, dude, like he didn't, he didn't miss a beat. He, he crushed it. He got second place in the 100 miler. So, you know, super impressive. So that guarantees him an entry into UTMB next year. And, and he gets a hard rock lottery. Yeah, hard rock qualifier. So, and those were two of his goals. I don't know if you saw that right here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, breaking news. Why did I choose grindstone for three reasons? One, it's UTMB qualifier. If you finish top three. I don't know this other, this guy is talking about some stuff, but. Oh, and podium. So this is UTMB's Instagram page. That's why. His other goal was, let me go back to his page. He talks about it. His fulfills his goals for 2025. UTMB and hard rock lottery. Yeah, I think his other goal was to podium. He said he took 20 trips to the bushes. That he attributed to the awkward six p.m. start time. I will say I did one race, Kodiak 100 with a six p.m. start time. That's a horrible rule, dude. It's so bad. You're up all day waiting. So it caused him gastric distress. Every single downhill throughout the race. Yeah, it's not, it's not a fun way to do it. He said his cantankerous left Achilles tendon. He's spent the whole summer carefully managing it, but it started barking on the very first uphill, and he was predictably worsened with accumulated mileage. So he has some impromptu pacing from his, I don't know if they're married or not. His girlfriend, Haley, they may be married. I'm not sure. But she jumped in and paced him at mile 93, so he wouldn't drop. Yeah, so anyways, he got it done. It was great to see him. Oh, this, so this picture right here, you see him in front of all these other people. Somebody made a funny comment. Like, how cool, how cool would it be to like be like, Oh, I was just running in a group with like, Anton Cropicca. Yeah, yeah. Someone, that is, that photo is one, two, three, four, five, six. That's at least seven people's travel photo right now. Yeah. Oh, shit, man. The other thing I think like, like, listen, like it's exciting that Anton's back, right? Like we were just like, it wasn't five episodes ago. We're like, Oh, I was like, Oh, shit, I kind of forgot he even existed. And then the biking boom. And now here he is. Yeah. Yeah, we were talking because he set that FKT, the, the LA highway FKT. Yeah, that's what it was. And then it's like, Oh, yeah, I, I kind of forgot to even existed. Well, here's the other thing that's really kind of amazing. Who's the dude that beat him? Um, yeah, so let's, let's do that. Let's pull up the result. That's insane. Yep. Oops. Okay. It was barking in my ear. Okay. So here we go. I lost my link with the, with the results, but I can check iron fire here. Okay. So grindstone by UTMB and swoop, Virginia. That'd be pretty cool. Have your address swoop. So grindstone is 105 miles with over 20,000 feet of climbing for the 100 miler. Was until 90 miles into the race, the leaderboard showed Gavin prior at top and he won in 21 hours and 23 minutes. So that was his first 100 mile finish. He dropped from Canyon's 100 miler in April. So it was his first 100 mile finish, dude. Yeah. And then Anton came in second, 21 hours and 52 seconds. So like, you know, almost a half hour later. That was his first 100 mile finish since his third place run at the 2021 letville when he just kind of showed up at 2021 letville out of middle nowhere to. And got third there. So he still got it, man. He's. Yeah. And, and he actually said, you know, what the type of training he's doing now and stuff like. His times are, are maybe better than what he would have did back when he was putting down 180 mile weeks. Like, yeah, I don't know if you remember that it was nuts. You know, you know what else I just realized is, except I'm looking on their, I'm looking on their map. I'm looking at where the races, not that kind of stuff like really looking at it. I always thought, I always thought that old dominion. Once or twice hit the same trails that grindstone uses. But they're there. I mean, it's the grindstone is like a fair amount more south of, of where wood stockage ran. Oh, okay. It's like south and on the other side of the highway. I didn't realize that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I guess I've never really looked at them. Yeah, on it. But I know, you know, Ron DeLosier, he ran. Yeah, he ran it. So, UTMB's website is. Oh, here's the results. Okay. It was a little confusing, but. Okay. Gavin prior, like we said, first, 21, 23, Anton second, 21, 52, Alex Proctor, third, 22, 17. So let's see what first place female is Katie Jackson. Yeah. 2331 and Jill Dens was second place female, 2354. And then third place female was Tonya Rapinski, Rapinski 2451. So congrats to all them. And grindstone was traditionally just a hundred miler, right? And then I think UTMB added the 100 K and the 50 K. So, by the way, the young speedster Hans Troyer was his first race back after Black Canyon when he went out to get his second. So he won band era. He came out of nowhere, like collegiate, collegiate cross country runner, I believe, came out of nowhere. One band era called his shot at Black Canyon. He was running with Hayden Hawks at Black Canyon for at least half of the race. And he blew up, but he ended up finishing 10th and he got wrapped. Oh, so his kidneys messed up and he ended up in the hospital. And he's been a long time working back and he got in the grindstone 100 K and he was having a great race, even above course record at one point, but he ended up, I don't know, he's got real tired. I saw in a video, he said he was getting like confused like someone was happening. He said he was staying on top of hydration and electrolytes, all that stuff, but he's didn't really know what happened. He's always learning, but anyways, he ended up dropping. But let's see who did do well in the 100 K Sean Bowman, 10 hours and 36 minutes. He won Reagan McCoy was second in 10 hours, 55 minutes, Dalton Randall third 10 hours, 55 minutes. And for the for the women, Holly Benner was first 11 hours 22. And let's see here, second place. Female was Daniel, or Daniel, a Lyle from Canada, 12 hours 42 minutes and Nicolette Cochran, third female 12 hours 42. And like I said, there was a 50 K Dan Kurtz was first, three hours 57, Alex Forte second for hours two minutes, and then Sarah. And then Berger on low Roach from Canada was first place female four hours and 31 and Ashley. For hours 34 for the second place. Dude, I might go down to this 50 K next year. You should. This 50 K looks kind of cool. I'm looking at the map of it. Okay. It's kind of cool. If you if you talk over look at a map, it like I kind of like. Well, that's the top of it, but you see I has a little three thing my bobby's movie. There you go. No, no, up, up, straight up. Click on that. It's like a giant, so you obviously start finished at the same spot. Come up, come up and make climbs. Yeah, it's kind of cool, right? And like, so go up, you hang a right. You hang a right, that split, you hit there. All you do is you keep hanging rights. I think you stay left on. Oh, wait, stay left on that one. And then you hit it right. And then you hit it right. So it's like a figure eight there. Yeah. And then you're going to do a massive climb. That is a massive climb. But what's kind of cool is you get to the top of that climb. And it's just a badass, like that is a badass descent that you get into. That is all downhill for a lot of miles. That's kind of a cool ash race, isn't it? Then there's one, then you're basically climbing up. Oh, this way. You're climbing up the same one you climbed up earlier, essentially. It's the same climb. You see what I'm saying? Is that what you do? Is the start finishing the same spot? Yeah, I think so. But you know what I'm saying? Like that same climax right around mile 10 ish. It looks like it's the same one you do around mile wrap up a mile 40 ish. Yeah, it's just similar. It's right next to it. So I'm sure it's like the same. Back to back side of the hill or some like that. Yeah. On the back side of it or something like that. Yeah, that looks, that looks pretty fun. I don't know. I wonder how do they say how much? Oh, 1550 meters. Oh, 1500 meters. So you multiply it by like 3500. It's like a modified by modified that by three and a half. Five little over 5000 feet climbing. Yeah, what she was not bad. I mean, that's like to get the PR. Yeah. Now what's funny is even a hundred case, not awful. The hundred case, not awful. It's, it's just a. It's just a scootch over 10k. It's one. One, two, three, four. Yeah, there's like four. It climbs and then maybe a little one towards for the hundred. But what you're doing, you're doing the same figure eight, right? You're doing the same kind of figure eight, but right before you head back in. You're doing your flipping south into a big ass loop down south. Yeah, there's almost 11,000 feet of climbing in the, in the hundred. Yeah, which, you know, that's pretty good. It's, it's, it's like doing mock, except you get an extra 12 miles to do it. Like grindstone is pretty technical from my understanding. It is. I've heard it is extremely, you know, it's funny. I hate to cycle punk, but that's literally why I would never do the hundred. It's because I don't want to be out in the dark kicking fucking rocks. Yeah. Like it is technical. I'll be loose for toenails on that one. Yeah, I'll be miserable for 50 K in the daylight. I ain't trying to be, I ain't trying to kick rocks in the dark. And on the hundred K, there's massive ass climb back on a back. Like 74 kilometer mark. There's a big old climb. Anywho. All right. Yep. Yeah. So, um, all right. Let's move on to the mammoth. Trail, uh, mammoth trail vessel. Mammoth trail fest was started by Tim Thompson, I believe a couple of years ago. And it's out in Mammoth Lakes, California, which is on the Eastern Sierra, which by the way, is a hidden gem. The, the Eastern Sierra. I mean, there is like, it's at altitude. It's got some major climbs. It's got some alpine lakes. This is really beautiful. I've been out there only one time, but did a pretty epic hike to a duck lake. And, and I know Dylan Bowman, when he was training for Hard Rock the year that he got second. Um, he trained out in the Eastern Sierra. So, and that's kind of like where the John Muir trail is and all that, but. Oh, okay. Um, but anyway, uh, so they have this trail fest. And this is one of those, I think eight races or so. That's part of the golden trail world series. The 26 K. And you, if you remember, we, we talked about the headlands 27 K. A couple episodes ago where those two guys. Uh, a lot that Elazio from Morocco and give it an ego from Kenya. They were flying. We watched that video like they, they were in a full out sprint down Heather cut off trail. And, uh, and it was really close that, that finish. Well, those same two guys were. At the end of this mammoth lakes. Uh, 26 K and. Uh, I don't know. Oh, no, not that. I'll go to the video. Why you get the video pulled off. Here it is. So there was a little thing. I don't know, like, if it is a controversy or not, but they were sprinting. They were sprinting towards the end through like the little ski village. And the, the guy that won in the headlands 27 K. He kind of veered off to the side and kind of cut off the other guy. Like there was like some landscape barrier there. Yeah. And I don't know, like if he did it on purpose, I'm sure he kind of. Felt him as presence. I think he 100% did on purpose. Like, I mean, listen, like you can, you can see him. I mean, he is purposely cutting that inside corner off, right? Like you're purposely. Way. You know what I mean? Like, right. It is a really cool thing. What's crazy is. Both the same guys, both, both times they finished, you know, Alazooie finished first and. Kip, Kip, Kip, Kip, Kneo finished second. So it's, it's just really cool how it's the same to do the same finishes. You know, I mean, and they're both just flying again. I get it. I will give this race series is doing some great. Drone footage of the finish lines. And it's really cool. Yeah. So. Tim Tolson started it, but I just found out that it's now an era, Viper series. So, of course, it has. Some great footage. And, uh, Curiago from Kenya got third that film on, and I believe. Or maybe. Wait, let me, uh. Let me look at that headlands. 27 K. Again, because I had a link to it here. Because those same three guys were on the podium. Okay, Elazio Curiago was second and Kip Nago was third. So it wasn't the same one too. Okay. No, it was the other guy, but it's same podium. Yeah. Just different second third. And then Remy Bonet. We talked about him. He set that Mount Tam FKT from Switzerland. He got fourth just like he did at the headlands. 27 K as well. And with the women's race, uh, that Joyce Matano, uh, Najiru from Kenya, she got first at the headlands 27 K as she also got first at this race. Two hours, 11 minutes in Madeline of Florida from Romania to ours 14. And then there was a decent amount of Americans in the top 10. Anna Gibson, Rachel Drake got third and fourth. Allie Ostrander, MK Sullivan, eighth and ninth or Tabor Hemming and Lauren Gregory were fifth and sixth. So yeah, there was pretty good amount of Americans in that top 10 for the women. Only one American for the men Garrett Corcoran in the top 10. He got seventh. So, and there was a couple of other races there as well. Um, there was, uh, share this. So there was like a mammal mammoth triple, which I'm assuming if they run all three, the dragon's ascent. So there was this ascent. Like, uh, it was just, it's just a big ascent. I can't remember the details on it. Actually, maybe it's on. It's on iron far. Um, let's see. Okay, here it is. The dragons back ascent. A three mile race went up 2,400 feet and paid 3,400 to his top finishers. And Remy Bonet actually did win that one. Right. That makes that tracks. Um, and then there was the 50 K and Chris Myers, who got third at. Or second at second, no, third at Black Canyon, young, younger guy. Uh, in Cole Watson, where second in the 50 K and then, uh, Bay area, Sylvia able. Sylvia got first for the women in the 50 K and Lauren Perez got a second. So, uh, yes, that was the mammoth trail fest. Um, Barkley, Barkley for classic. That's right. So I thought it was a little, I thought it was a little more organized than the original Barkley, but after reading more about it. Uh, that's not necessarily the case. Um, so we, uh, it's, it's a little more organized. It is, it is. So they get the map the night before. Yeah. And they, um, here it is. They get the map the night before and the trails are marked only at trail intersections. Um, they can't use GPS or they get disqualified and banned forever. Uh, first place male and first place female are offered a spot in, in Barkley. And the, you know, the, the one, the main Barkley and that's in March. Or sometimes early April, but usually in March. Um, so yeah, it contains a, you know, it gets, has the hard climbs and hard to sense. Uh, some of the signature hills that made Barkley a thing of legend. Um, it's very hard from my understanding. Yeah, it's weird. I mean, I mean, it's weird, but it's not weird. There's no, there's no data on it. Right. Like, is it even on trails? Like I don't know if it's on trails or not. Yeah. So I think that's the one difference between the, uh, the main Barkley loop and the fall classic. I think the fall classic does stick to established trails, but. Yeah. And because, and because you can't use GPS, like that's like, there's nothing on Strava or anywhere else that I keep like, oh, this is what it is. Yeah. I mean, like, uh, it's, it's like, that's just one of those things. I don't know why. Like, I could trick myself into doing. Vol, I could trick myself into doing, but like, there's something about not knowing the trails. That I'm like, fuck that. I don't know why. Isn't that weird? Like, I'm like, I don't know why, but it just doesn't, it doesn't do it for me. Yeah, this. Yeah. I don't know. This, I might, I might be convinced to, to give it a go. The BFC. Just to experience kind of like what a, a loop of Barkley would feel like. That is true. I don't know. Do, do we know the cutoff? What is the cutoff for this one? You know, that's a good question. Um, Barkley fall. Classic. Is there even a website? Did the website. So if you, if on the, on the ultra magazine article, they have. If you click the website, it takes you to, I mean, honest to God, one of the worst websites I've ever seen in my life. Like, it is just, it is a old school map. Oh, it said 20,000 feet of elevation change. At first, I was like, wait, 20,000 feet of climbing in a 50 K like, no, it's an elevation change. So there's about 10,000 feet. So it's about the same as like a sky race, which, you know, I've, I've done a few 50 Ks with 10,000 plus feet. Uh, but, you know, this is pretty rugged. So it's, yeah. Yeah, this is also from 2024. So 500 participant limit. Um, starting elevation, 1400 feet, high point, 3,200 feet, 95% on unpaved trails. Uh, 50 K. Um, does it say anything about the cut off on the website you're on? So the website is the website, Snowboy now, like, like, go back to, uh, go back to ultra sign up. If you go to ultra sign up, there is a, uh, right underneath, like, there's the website right there. Okay. If you click on it, go to, go to, look at that's the website, baby. Like, oh, Durban racing or whatever. Yeah. So I, I mean, good luck finding anything on that. It has tunnel on there. That's it. Yeah, which is super weird. So I don't know. Um, okay. Well, if anybody out there is listening and you know, details on the cut offs, please reach out to us on social media or. Yeah, email us. I have the email address in the show notes. So. Um, okay. Let's, uh, let's go over these results. Uh, Tim Landy from Great Britain. Exeter, great. 38 years old, uh, was first, nine hours and six minutes. Uh, Christina Regul, Reglowski from Denver was first place female, nine hours, 32 minutes. And toying and in tone, uh, Clement from petite Mars. That's a city somewhere. Doesn't say the country. Got second place male nine hours, 48 minutes. And Brianna Tid was second place female from snow, from snow, Colamine, Washington. So she trains out in the Cascades. Uh, nine hours and 50 minutes. So. Congrats to them. No, I don't know if participant limit is 500 unless there was like. A gazillion DNFs because there was 94 finishers. Maybe that is true. Maybe it is true. Right. Maybe, maybe, dude, I am. My dumb ass. I have got myself all the way. I am on ultra set up reading the rules of it. I, I, I, I last cracks me up, man. Like it's just some of the rules are just absolutely. Are you serious? Trekking polls are not allowed. So, all right. Like you just want to, like you just want to make it hard, right? Like it's like, but here's the other way. And then here. Goo type packets, goo type packets are not allowed either. What? Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I love it. It's so stupid. That's ridiculous. It's so stupid. Oh, man. I love it. That's ridiculous. No packets. Oh, oh, oh, shit. Here we go. Here we go. Um, 500, zero, five a.m. Five a.m. dates open for parking. Five 30 to six 30 day of race packet pickup. Seven a.m. last lights a cigarette. All right. So seven a.m. the race starts, right? Yeah. 10, 10, no, no, no, no, eight, 20, eight, 20, the race ends. So you have. From seven to eight, 20, so you have 13 hours and 20 minutes. Oh, is that a lap of, of actual Barkley, I think. Is that what it is? Maybe. 13, 20. Maybe. So that's, that's pretty generous. But it's, it's a tough, tough. Is it, is it, you know, you know what the effing, the course is? I mean, you know, it has 10,000 feet a game. And here's the thing. We have talked about this at nauseam on the East Coast. You are not making up that time on that downhill. Okay. Valid point. Like you, I mean, you could try. You'll also have a dislocated shoulder possibly. Like it's. Yeah, it is so broken neck. Yeah, it's tough. Mike Thomas has sat here and almost like read this into me. Kind of wanting to do it now. Like it just sounds so epic miserable. So I go, you know what, I mean, actually kind of funny. So I wish, I wish that we could see how many DNFs there were. One person got disqualified. It must have been GPS. Or how to goopack it that son of a bitch or litter. Son of a bitch. Who do you think you are with that goopack it? Yeah. Easy nutrition. No. Yeah. It's, it's what, it's your baloney sandwich and eggs and shut the fuck up. Keep on keeping on. Your baloney sandwich. What is it? There's a bony and cheese. I also, what I, there's a, what is the movie where the kids have to eat eggs. And they're out on like that farm in the, in the, in the desert digging holes and shit. And I think. I think about Napoleon Dynamite. Well, there's that, there's that reference. But I feel like that reference holds true to like multiple movies that are along that, like weird, like, so I feel like that's just a reference like a homage back to orders. I feel like, but I could absolutely be making that for my mind. My wife, I'm surprised my wife hasn't heard me in the living room and hasn't text me about what I think I'm thinking about because she's probably right. But anywho, but dude, I kind of want to go get that dumb ass metal. Yeah. Like that metal stupid shit. Yeah, it's got to be, it's got to be hard. I think I would, I don't know why they don't put the number of DNFs on here. But if there truly is 500 people that start that race, that means there was like 400 DNFs. That is awesome. Oh my God. Wait, hold on. If I just clicked on the 2024. Now, oh wait, 400 DNFs. God bless, dude. Yeah. Like, no way 500 people signed up for it. Yeah. No way. Oh, there's a marathon to, oh, maybe the 500 people is in marathon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because loud. Oh, here's a DNFs 159. Because last is a hundred percent that dude that would be like, fuck these cats, they DNF'd. You know, I mean, oh, that's your thing. You can be on. There's a, there's a point on the trail. There's a point on the course called decision point. And it's quite literally that you can either be like, nope, fuck it. I'm tapping. I'm heading into the marathon or you can grip it and rip it and try to make the 50 K. But it's like, you know, I mean, that all makes perfect sense now because there's no DNFs listed on the 50 K, but there's a 145 marathon finishers. There's a 159 DNFs of the marathon. So that tells me that if you're going on, you're in a good position to finish the hundred or the 50 K. Right. Yeah. So everybody that went on finished the 50 K. Well, maybe, maybe you might have. I mean, you might have been, you might have been a decision on playing back. Fuck it. I can make this up. And then, and then reality is like psych, you ain't making anything up. Oh, I see what you're saying. And then you don't get, you don't get the marathon finish and you don't, and you get a DNF. I got you. So all the DNFs are just listed under here. Yeah. Okay. That makes it. It's just, it's just one, like, so those are people DNF. There's people DNF a mile 17. Yeah. They, they DNF like they thought they can make the 50 K cut off site. Seven. Yeah. So there's 145 marathon finishers, 140 or 159 DNFs. So that's 300 and then, and then another 94 46 didn't start. Yeah. So you're, you're, you're right at 450 ish. Yeah. That makes sense. Dude. Let's do it next year. Oh man. I just like thinking about taking a break. And if I don't. Yeah. Yeah. You take a break from like now until like January. And then you try your face off for this from, for this stupid ass 50 K. I mean, how ridiculous is that? You got to turn your face off for a 50 K. I would just go find a hill and. Oh, yeah. Like I'll open down. Yeah. Yeah. Like your, you, you do long runs, right? Like your Saturday's your Saturday long run, but that Sunday run, I got back to back Sunday run. Like, nope, you turn that into a hill repeat day. You just do hill repeats on tired ass legs. That's how I did for Tahoe. Yeah. Good call. All right. Well, we are over an hour already and we still got a long way to go. I do want to talk about this race real quick. Yes. Oh boy, 200. It didn't happen this past weekend. It happened the weekend before. Well, September 13th. It started. One of our listeners. Cole Crosby. Cole Crosby reached out. And mentioned this race to us. And first of all, I want to say thank you Cole for listening. And thank you for reaching out. This is, this is why we're doing this, right? We want people to interact with us and make us aware of these races that we don't really know about that aren't highlighted, but yeah, this is a 200 mile in Nebraska in Norfolk, Nebraska. And it's a rail trail, 200 miler. And it's point, I believe it's point to point. Yeah, it is. It's point to point. And it looks like some people laid down some, some pretty fast times here. According to Cole, the top three runners all broke the course record this year. And this 200 miler, the cowboy, 200, all under 4750, which must have been the old record. And Cole himself actually won the race. And let's go to their results. Why you, why you look at the results page. You know what part of this race really is like twisting my mind? Is this race is held in September, right? Dude, the photos of people in these races. You would think it's effing January. Like how cold is Nebraska in September? Oh, bundled up. Yeah. I bet it gets pretty cold at night. I'm guessing. Like that wind has got me. I bet that wind out there is freaky. But I bet it just cuts you to the bone. Yeah. No doubt about that. It is an absolutely beautiful course. So it, well, one of two things, either A, it is actually a beautiful course or B. They have some of the best photo work being done in the game. Cause these photos are phenomenal on their website. Again, is that really, this are really cool looking race. Really cool. Like I'm not much for flat races, but this is a pretty cool looking one. Yeah. Yeah, rail trail, crushed gravel. So, okay. So I'm on their live tracking site, but this doesn't necessarily tell me like first place. And I swear I had this figured out the other day, but cowboy 200 results. The other thing that's really cool about this race is here we go over. What it looks like multiple big-ass bridges. Like there is a couple of like really big like old bridges. Like there's one that is really long and really high. It's helping right there. Like that thing looks, that thing looks freaky, dude. That is super cool. Yeah. That would be a fun, it would be a fun, fun race, I think. Yeah. Cold Crosby, like we said, first 41 hours and 57 minutes. Like I don't care if it's, if it's a rail trail or, or a road. Dude, if you're laying down 200 miles and 41 hours and 57 minutes, like. I wish we would have had like high tech 2020. We sure probably just took the initiative and had cold jump on with us. I want to know what calls hip flexors look like after 200 miles on that flat one, 41 hours. You know what I mean? Like godly days. I couldn't even imagine. Me either. My head. Hans Van Zant. Zant. Zant. Got second 45 54 and Todd not 47 11 for third. First place female Shannon Ellis 59 18. Second place female Constance Garo 64 57. Third place Lisa Marie Foslow Griffin and 67 58. So yeah, so Cole also mentioned that this race has some historic significance. And I guess the community and the race directors are great. And he wanted us to give him some love, give some love to the cowboy 200. Absolutely. It looks like it does look like a really cool race. It looks like a very cool race. And like if you're looking to, if you're looking to crack into 200 miles. It's, it's probably a pretty solid one to get your feet wetted because an 84 hour cut off is. It's pretty solid for a 20 because I mean, I mean shit. My slow acid Tahoe in 96. You know what I'm saying? So these guys are giving you 84 to do Nebraska 200. That's, that's a good cutoff. That's a good one to get your feet wet and kind of like dip your toes in. I really want to stress. I'm really in like the picture. So very cool. It looks very scenic. Yeah. So just a little blurb about the race here. Runners will travel from Norfolk to Valentine on the cowboy trail. An old rail trail consisting of crushed limestone trails. It's off limits to automobiles. Train their 200 mile adventure. Runners will be immersed in nature, experience the beauty and solitude of the Nebraska backcountry. Along this amazing journey. Runners will see many ancient relics from the old railroad and pass through many quaint history filled towns. Still utilizing buildings and artifacts from the old railroad. Including a water powered grist mill and numerous old railroad depots scattered along the route. Some of the most famous and awe inspiring structures along the cowboy trail are the former railway bridges in which runners will cross. In total, there are over 200 bridges along the road. That is good shit. Yeah. The largest being a quarter mile long and 148 feet high. This is truly a beautiful trek through America's heartland, cowboy trails, non-technical, 100% runnable and extraordinarily flat, making it perfect, like you said, for the first time 200 mile. Or for those seeking a PR. And they do have 100 mile. For those seeking a PR with 200 mile. Like as if there's just a crap ton of people who's knocked out 200 mile. You know what I mean? Again, here comes another one. Here's the other cool thing. Here's the number one reason I want to go run this race. One, it does look very pretty, right? It looks very pretty. But here's the real reason I want to go run this race in Nebraska. It's because after you were during the race, before, during, and after the race. You can eat all of the, oh my God. Oh, what is the restaurant that's really famous in Nebraska? It's like, it's, it's like, it's like a hot pocket, sandwiches. Oh, shoot. Oh, oh, dude. Oh, dude. Wait until I get you hit to these. They are so happy and good Nebraska. Nebraska. Sandwich. Hold on. Wait a second. Runza runs a sandwich. Are you in Z a runs a sandwiches? Okay. Dude. Dude. Yeah. I would go run that 200 miler just to eat my body weight. Heck yeah. So fucking good. All right. I'm going to have to make a trip to Nebraska. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Pike's peak. Was this, was this last weekend? Yeah. Yeah. And you finish at a 14,115 foot summit and a $10,500 prize purse awarded 2000 to the winners and money paid five deep. And the race, I think, is usually part of the Golden Trail World series, but it wasn't this year. But the men's race still had some, some elite mountain runners. Joseph Gray, who's he just kicks ass at all, all those like shorter distance mountain races. And Seth Dmore have started on Pike's peak for the last decade. And gray one in two hours, 11 minutes. Seth was second to ours 14. And for the women, Ellie McLaughlin, two hours, 45 and Holly Heifman, two hours, 46. So that was, and then there's a marathon as well, which is an outback, but it must have snowed marathon is the next day. So they couldn't, they couldn't go all the way up. They had to turn around so that the marathon ended up being only 15 miles. They had to turn around so that the marathon ended up being only 15 miles. They had to turn around at bar camp. You know, what's his name that had to pull out a harder arc. Oh my God, why am I blanking on this right now? He, he had. How did I predict it? Yeah. It's not Hayden Hawks. It wasn't Hayden. It was. I'm, I'm an idiot. Like I follow him on, on Strava. I see him all the time. I talk about it all the time. Yeah. He's one of my favorite ultra runners. I just, I'm just in a brain fog from, oh, Zach Miller. I'm in a brain fog from my being up all night on Saturday. Anyway. Zach Miller lived at bar camp up there. He like was like, took care of it for a while, but that's where the marathon turned around. And. Okay. So for the marathon, I was looking at the results and I'm like one hour and 46 minutes. You know, but it was because it was only 15 miles. So, and take night with second one hours, 49 and Sarah Gould, two hours, 10 for the women and Sarah Beale. Two hours, 13 for the ladies. Little Ohio, Ohio love there. She's from Ohio, right, Sarah Beale. Yeah, I mean, now she lives out in Arizona, Colorado, Colorado. Okay. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, she, she's originally from my Columbus, like, like Grandview. I don't know about originally, but she lived in Columbus and Grandview for a while. And now I, yeah, she's out. Maybe she is Colorado. But yes, she moved out west somewhere to trail running community. Okay. All right. So I'm going to move. I'm not really going to pay or do too much on the next two, but I just want to say, shout out to Max King. He won the dragons back race and North Wales. This is like a. A stage. Yeah, super cool. I'd love to. I think we've talked about it at length and one of our earlier episode, like one of the. One of the first episodes, but it's a stage race. I think six, seven days, maybe. And like 280 miles. I'm guessing, I think, and there's a lot of climbing, like maybe between 60 and 70,000 feet. And it's very rugged, very, very steep, crazy climbing. But Max King won one dragons back. So congrats to Max. You know, he's one of these guys that's just been around forever. And you still kicking ass and Hayden Hawks actually. Apparently is still over overseas. A little time. Yeah. After his CCC victory at UTMB three weeks later, he runs the Julian. Julian Alps trail run 50 K in Slovenia. And he took second place. So shout out to Hayden Hawks. Still, still kicking, kicking ass over there. Another race I want to talk about was with dances with dirt, right? And hell, Michigan, which is where Woodstock is now dances with dirt. Dude, this race has been going on for. For quite a while. And when I lived in Michigan, I, I volunteered at this race. They have, they have, yeah, they have a relay. There's a few dances with dirt. There's no bone in Indiana. There's one in Wisconsin. There's Devil's Lake, Wisconsin. And then there's this one in hell, Michigan. So they have a hundred K relay and I was working one of the relay points. And the relay point, like they kept, it kept moving out further and further from where it was supposed to be. And I was supposed to be in charge and I'm like, you got to stay back. And they kept, they kept running out and saying and yelling, I'm a cheating bastard. And they would run, run out and get the baton, like way out, you know, or flag or whatever way out. I'm like, you can't, I'm like, I had no order. No, it was. Huge crowd of people, right? And so, and they're all in costumes and you, you win prizes for like best costume. As a team, you win, you win prizes for best crew or vehicle. So your team's vehicle, like there was one to one year that's like a white van that spray painted free candy on the side of it. I love it. And Jessica went over there to get, get free candy and they like pulled her in the van. That's awesome. That is awesome. So anyway, I later found out that you're actually allowed to take off early from those relay points. If you yell, I'm a cheating bastard. So it was legal. I didn't, I didn't know, but anyways, they have a 50 K and a 50. Mylar in addition to those relays and they're, they take you like through the woods, right? It's not always on trails. It's like, yeah, woods do these. They make you like go down a river as part of the course, like, you know, dances with dirt. But anyways, I just wanted to give a shout out that that went on. 50 K, Chris Norman was first male overall. And Taylor Corkins was first female overall for the 50 K for the 50 mile. Jesus Vasquez was first overall in 933 and Josephine Whedon was first for the ladies in 10 hours and 10. So, oh, in Flagstaff was the, oh, here's the dance with their website. It's kind of cool. In Flagstaff, they had the. The Grand Canyon Stagecoach 100 flagstaffed at Grand Canyon, right? So it's, I think there's around 6 or 7,000 feet of climbing, maybe over that 100 miles. It's on, I believe it's on the old Stagecoach Trail, right? So it's like a wider, nice trail. I always thought that would be a cool race to do. I've been, you know, sounds, sounds very Black Canyon 100 Kish. Yeah, yeah. So in that race, Edwin Miller got first for the men, 1953 and Andrea White for the ladies, 21, 17. Also, I am tough was this weekend. And I am tough is actually a hard rock qualifier. It's in McCall, Idaho. And David Iola won for the third time in 22 hours and 17 minutes and Madison Lick D one for the women 24 22. I think I've heard that's a really tough race. I, yeah, I, I, I want to say, I, I looked at it like a year or two ago on like, on like Instagram and stuff like that. You're just like, dude, it just looks, it looks brutal. Yep, 22,000 feet of climbing. A variety of terrain from smooth trails, just deep rocky mountain running. So. Okay. And also, there was a new FKT on the Colorado Trail. Uns are self supported right self supported. So no crew. Brett Brent herring went from East to West on the collegiate West route and 10 days 17 hours and 38 minutes. And okay. Now we're getting to the news. Like really, I was kind of shocked to see this. But after thinking about it a while, it sort of makes sense. And there was, um, there was a statement. So I'll get to that. Um, I didn't get a chance to send you that link. I just saw it. Like, when I was setting up for the show, it's like, we, we're, we're our 24 in. It's, I really hope a lot of people have managed to bear with us this one 24. Cause this is absolutely unhinged. Yeah, so this article was released by the running magazine in Canada. And let's see, what day did this September 23rd. So Sunday, Sunday, Monday. Yeah, I remember reading about it, traveling back from Oregon. Yeah. So apparently Camille Herron, who's one of the best. Uh, if not the best flat, you know, track style, blue style female ultra runner in the world, who has, you know, she has set all kinds of records. Some of them have been broken this year by Stein Rex, but, uh, you know, 24 hour, 48 hour, 100 mile. She has the 100 mile record. She's got. She's got like all these records, right? So she's very accomplished. But, you know, I have always noticed on her social media that she's kind of just crediting people when certain organizations are not. Uh, ratifying certain records, you know, and this and that. Well, it just comes out that her and her husband, who's her coach have been, they got busted by their IP addresses. Um, uh, going on other ultra runner elite ultra runners. Uh, and then I'm going to go back to the wiki, PDF pages and changing information in the wiki, PDF pages to maybe make them look less less elite and changing her own information to make her look more elite. Yeah. Um, and it's dumb stuff. It's like dumb. It's like, also, some of it's really dumb. It's like the puffing kind of stuff. The puffery stuff. Like it's so stupid. Yeah. So, I mean, you know, anybody can update Wikipedia pages. So, I don't necessarily know if, if what she did is, is wrong, but, or like, it's not illegal or anything. It's maybe just very unethical. And like, why would you feel the need to do this? Like, she gets all kinds of props. It's so petty. It's so petty. Yeah. And so it's kind of funny because like, after you and I had talked about it on Sunday or Monday, after you and I talked to a little bit, I did go down a rabbit hole on Twitter about like. AJW commented about it. There's another Twitter account that's out there. That's like ultra, ultra running, ultra running something ultra running podcast or I can't. It's, I know that dude, Eric Sean's I don't know personally, but Eric Sean ultra running podcast. Yeah, seems like a really nice guy. I mean, it seems like I mean, it's Twitter. So you don't know, but even known to say some controversial stuff sometimes. But, well, he's a good guy. Yeah, he made the comment that Camille blocked him years ago. Yeah. You know what I mean. And so like AJW saying stuff on here. You know, AJ was like, you know, this is like, it's upsetting. But like, what are we doing? You know, like AJ sounded like he was kind of like. Like, not all the way, like he, like he was like lightweight. Yeah, like what Camille's do was kind of effed up, you know what I mean? Like, it was, it's just nuts, man. And then like there, and then there's obviously like the making fun of her of the story kind of comments So, because if you know Camille, she's pretty outward about some of the other stuff that she has in her personal life. So people are like, whoa, is this a, is this a sign or symptom of the. It was like really going after like, yeah, it got, it got hot Yeah. And there's definitely some, some, you know, details and proof that. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Did we just lose Jamie? Yeah, can you hear me? Oh, Jamie's back. Yeah, we got you. That was super weird. Yeah, I heard a beep. And then I disappeared. Looks like my connection is a little weak right now. I don't know. So, yeah, it is, it's messed up. It is really whack. So, yeah, so, so her. So, you know, she's over in Greece to run the Spartathlon right now. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And her husband and coach Connor Holt. He made a statement that he takes full responsibility for this. Oh, he's a full on the sword for wifey, huh? And he, yeah. Gonna get some bonus points. Dude, yeah, he's a take that. He's a take the, he's a take the rap for it, huh? So, this morning, let's run.com moderators revealed on his message board that they received an email from Holt taking full responsibility for the edits. We received the following email from Connor Holt, the husband of Camille Heron, surrounded the surrounding the Wikipedia at his controversy outlined by Canadian running yesterday. Here's the email. Hello from Greece here for Spartathlon 153 yesterday received notification about published article. The email September 20th and a spam account after the article was published because they reached out to him for comment. My, my, my, you found it. It's spam account. Yeah, it gets worse. It gets worse. I never got a chance to say anything to the Canadian running website before they published it. We have been traveling last few days with limited access exclamation point. Oh, get out of here. For the Wikipedia part, Temple Run 73 was original account I created 2016 and used to edit the page. I managed this so Camille can focus on her running and recovery. Starting in 2023 and continuing to this day cyber bullies by the name of Stephen Wallig and a few other were repeatedly editing our significant parts of Camille's life biographical details. I kept adding back in the details and they blocked my account in early February of this year. Nothing was out of line other than with what other athletes have on their pages. Wikipedia allows the creation of another account. So I created a new account run, run to Bowie. I was going off what other athletes had on their pages using the user names, run Bowie and copying, pasting this info. Camille had nothing to do with this. I am 100% responsible and apologize for any athletes affected by this and the wrong I did. I was trying to protect Camille from the constant bullying, harassment and accusations she has endured in her running career, which has severely impacted her mental health so much to the point that she has sought professional mental health help. I also went ahead and deactivated all of Camille's social platforms for the time being because of the vile comments she has received. I appreciate you reaching out to me Connor Holt. So while Holt is taking responsibility for the Wikipedia edits he claims his actions were to protect her from cyber bullies and excuse their let's run community hasn't been buying so far. Dude, have you, have you ever heard of, do you know what Darvo is? No. So Darvo is a arguing. It's like a, it's like an argument, argument of defensive kind of like posture and Darvo's an acronym right it stands for deny, deny attack reverse, and then become the victim in the offender. Right. So deny attack reverse victim offender. I just went through all those. That was literally Darvo typed out into an email like it's like this cat like he's in a Darvo and it was like, all right, I'm going to deny it. I'm going to attack everybody else for being cyber bullies. I'm the reverse, I'm the reverse to script, I may make Camille into the victim here, and then I may talk about who the real offender is. Like that was Darvo to a T. Like that's like that's insane, dude. Yeah. And on the Instagram on Instagram posts where I found this article. Yeah. Dude, the comments were like not buying it. Like it was buying it at all. Like she's been open about, about discrediting other runners in the past and like. So anyways, but who knows, but I just, there's just, there's just no reason for it, man. No, no, he's one of the best in the world. Yeah. Is that not enough? I mean, I know she's probably pretty salty that Stein Rex broke a couple of her records this year, but. Yeah. When we hop off here, shoot me the, shoot me the article or shoot me whatever it is that had his email reply in it. Okay. Yeah. Thanks there to me. Oh my God, that's, that's the next level. All right. Well, for listening community about Darvo. Yeah. And we will stay on top of the story, because I'm sure there's going to be more, more coming out about it. Pretty interesting. You know, it's, it's unfortunate because I, I always had pretty good respect for Camille. I've even like commented sometimes on her. Yeah. You know, like, congrats. And she always responds like, you know, she seems like a pretty top notch person. So it's kind of really funny to see. Really? Yeah. And, you know, who knows? Maybe the husband is fully to blame. I don't know, but we don't know. Hub, hubby's never to blame. He's, he's quick to jump on the sword, though. All right. Well, thanks everyone for listening. I know we went a little long today, but it was worth it. It was worth it. Shout out to everybody who made the full 95 minutes. It's well worth the listening. That's right. Honestly, one of the funnest ones we've done in a minute, I get my opinion. So, I'm well worth it. Yeah, for sure. So, all right. Well, all right. I'm going to go ahead and take us out. Thanks. Thanks everyone. And have a good rest of your week and have a good long run on the weekend. Cool. [Music] (upbeat music)
