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Best of the Commanders: Week 3 vs. Cincinnati
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Limited battery warranty covers defects and materials for 10 years or 100,000 miles whichever occurs first. Sea owners manual for complete warranty details and limitations visit 100usa.com or call 563-1446 or 3 for more details. Play the music cakes. Still everybody. Johnny Cakes, all bills here. It's called a Victory Monday, J.K. Victory Monday. Jason Bishop is here. J.P. What's up? It's a voice. It is a Victory Monday. Those members get a 21 to 18 win. We'll be breaking it down throughout the four-hour program. John Kime will join us coming up at 7 o'clock. I've never prayed for a guy to make a thick moor than I did for Austin Cyber. If the mic is seven-field old today. I felt certain that would have come in for a misery Monday. Yeah, it would have been a misery. And just talk about Daniel Jones. Owning the commanders again. Thank you, Austin Cyber. I would like your address. I would like to send you a gift card. Well, if he missed it, it wouldn't necessarily have been a loss because it would have been overtime and it would have had a chance to win. If he misses that kick, a thousand percent chance that would have been a loss. I think Malik neighbors for the drop just gave us that drop. I'll thank them also for the delicious fantasy production. But more importantly, thank you for the drop inside the drop. They had some breaks. I think the biggest play of the game was the first play. It was a huge play. The very first play that was nullified. But Graham Gino pulled his hand me on that first play. Yeah, I'm surprised to see it. The debut didn't give the punter another shot because they were saying that the punter was hitting 50 yarders. He missed the first extra point. You can make a 50 yarder when you're standing there and kicking it. I know he missed the extra point, but it wasn't terrible. He probably has enough leg and I'm guessing they practice it on occasion. Again, I'm sure he has the leg, but it's a timing. No, I'm just telling you, I'm surprised. Also, it's a trust in your kicker thing, which the commanders clearly know something about. Ever since signing McManus and that blew up in their face. Well, people often argue that going for two is better anyway, so I feel that much sympathy for them. You know, I mean, whatever, figure it out. It happens. Look, they're very fortunate to get the win. I'm thrilled we got the win, but there's a lot to be scared about. I think the offensive stuff will be correctable. Actually, I think the penalties were infuriating, but I think that's correctable. And I don't think it's correctable is we have not been able to. It's two weeks in a row now, but this is running right at the gut. Yeah, I mean, right up the gut in our corners, we all need going in. There were an issue. I thought St. Juice played his best game, you know, relatively speaking in a long time. Maybe as a Redskins, but or command, whatever you want to call him. But man, we have some serious issues that on the defensive side that I'm not sure we're going to be able to fix. I mean, Devin Singletary is fine. Like he averages 4.6 yards per carry in his career. He averaged almost six yards per carry yesterday. Yeah, he was telling them that's just inexcusable. But like you said, it's right up the gun. They're slamming it right up. That's supposed to be the strength of our defense, be honest. I know it's supposed to be the strength. But like you said, the number one receivers on the other team, if they're good, they're going to get the ball. Well, you think Jamar Chase isn't going to get his next week? And just slow start to the season. I'm saying this on purpose at 604 on Monday. Yes. I want everybody driving in and over at Commander's Park pay to pay attention. No one of notes, literally no one of any consequence is picking the commanders this week. Nobody can. Nobody can. So it's you against the world. Hopefully it motivates you because no one in the right mind can pick us to beat the bangles the way that defense is playing. I'm comfortable with our offense. Noah Brown did a great addition. I don't love that all this, you know, JP always talks about the side of my thing. You know, I guess that's what they're going to do. I don't love it. But I think that will score points will move the football like we did yesterday. 37 minutes time in possession. That was dominating. Yep. They may just have to score outside of the red zone. They can't stop anybody. They need that. They need that tidied up. The stalling in the red zone. Well, that's going back with the penalties. That's just ridiculous. But at least you're getting there. I mean, focus on the positive. Yeah, they didn't punt. Nope. That was great. You look at the first drive. Yep. 16 plays, 64 yards, 9 minutes, 36 seconds time of possession. Yeah. All right. They get killed by a false start settle for a field goal. And that was the theme of the day. Second drive, 10 plays, 43 yards, 5 minutes, 29 seconds time possession. Third drive, 14 plays, 74 yards, 6 minutes, 26 seconds. Time of possession. And that continued throughout the game. So they showed they can move the ball. And yes, Noah Brown is a huge addition because they need more help from their receivers. They're also glad to have quieted this whole, well, Jayden never throws over the middle. Or, you know, he only throws to the side. I think that's just what the offense that they're designing. And, you know, they're going to take shots. We haven't seen enough of them. We all want to see more. But he's certainly capable of doing it. There's a reason that Austin Echler is leading the team in receiving after two weeks with 99 yards. Yeah. I think he's a really good receiver out of the backfield. He's a safe team. He looks great. I think he's going to lead the team for the 17. He looks great. Yeah. He looks great. Yeah. Listen, I know we don't have this. You know, we don't have the John Taylor, John, you know, Jerry Rice combo. We don't have that, but I do think I do not. I do think that Earth is very serviceable. He's going to be one of their top threats. They got to get more out of Terry, but I think, you know, he's a reasonable threat. Nobody should be, you know, ashamed of him. If Noah Brown could develop a little bit and then Echler, be Rob out of it. I mean, they have, again, I know you hate it when I say it, they have enough weapons to be successful on offense in my opinion. And maybe the blueprint is that they're, they're just going to be run heavy like they were yesterday. Yeah. They were super run heavy. I mean, they're rolled up 415 yards, right? And by the way, even though everyone panicked and pooped their pants when Jayden got the wind knocked out of them, because that's what everybody's been worried about. That kid is special with some of those runs. He's so tall. Yeah. I don't know. He's taking a lot of hits, though, but they need to understand no one of no, no one of any consequence is going to pick us against the bangles, nor should they. Right. Are you? No, I'm saying I'm not, especially on a Monday night on a Monday night when the bangles, the bangles had the chief beat in their house. Yeah. I mean, that was a gift. Did you like the call? No. I didn't see interference call. No, but he did. No, it was. He hit him before. I didn't like the defensive call. I didn't like only rushing three guys, given my homes, you know, some more time to throw down field. I didn't like that call at all. I thought they should have rushed some more guys and make them throw the ball quicker. Anyway, anyway, fair with his ability to catch the ball. There's no question. That's a gift. But Chase is going to do some damage. No, he will. And I hope we shocked the world. We've done it before. Perfect stuff. Back, but I can already tell you right now, I'm emotionally hedging that game. I'm betting on Cincinnati because I'm going to come home happy one way or the other. We're either going to win that game and I'm going to lose money or I'm going to win money and be happy. Yeah. It's going to one way or another is going to be a positive outcome. I'm going to have a positive outcome because it's hard to envision a scenario other than past miracles that have happened before. Like when we beat Pittsburgh, when they were 11 or whatever and it came in, you know, they're in a bid situation where we beat Green Bay. When everyone picked them, yeah, I can remember beating Tom Brady one year when no one thought we would. So did they can do it? But the way they're listen, this coaching staff is on watch for me. I expected this defense to be markedly better, more pressure. Just not under talented. They just could. I mean, Daniel Jones was ragdolled in week one by the Vikings and the commanders couldn't just couldn't get to them. One sack all day. They're under talented. Yeah. Their defensive ends. They don't get any pressure mark and O'Farrell had a sack yesterday that was caused by drawn pains penetration, but they have two sacks now and two games. Why was Jamie and a healthy scratch? Did they explain it? Or everybody's just going to say, Jamie sucks. That's what everyone wants to say. Did they get the rationale? Was he like a crack? Healthy scratch. I've not heard. Was he just sucking on a clink? Kind of jealous. Yeah. Kind of. If he knows, he might not even know. I didn't see him. I watched the pressers. Everybody talk about it. Yeah. I don't know. We should focus on some positive things. Office is a fair business. Brian Robinson Jr. had a huge game, best game of his career, 17 carries for 133 yards. That's almost an eight yards per carry average. He was awesome. He broke off some big ones. He doesn't have that breakaway speed to take it to the house because he had an opportunity. But he's just a huge game. He's physical. Like he's just going to run through tackles and he's going to drag dudes with him. And he doesn't, he doesn't, usually does not give the ball away. Right. No, he's pretty good with that. He falls. He was really good at that. And you know, another positive. They got Echlermore involved. And we said that last week, we said the double, we said the double the touches. Of course. That's what they did. He said, give him 10 to 12 touches. Well, this time I think they should give him more than that. Maybe they should. I agree with you. But this guy also said Brian Robinson was running the best of his career in the preseason. The week one didn't show. This is what I think this kid is capable of what he showed. He was really good. Yes, he looked really good in the preseason. This is, we're starting to see what he can do combined 15 to 17 carries every single week. Cause that's the role. Combine. They ran for 215 yards as a team. Right. Despite the fact that Jaden. Sure. Despite the fact that they didn't push it. I mean, Jaden finished with 44 yards on 10 runs, but at least two or three big ones. Yep. Big ones. I would be encouraged. 14 yarder was the biggest. It's frustrating when you can't punch it in and don't score a touchdown. Yeah. If you give up three touchdowns and you don't score any, you lose, of course, but they were able to win this game. I think Jason's right. I mean, neighbors dropped it on fourth down, but in any other game, they could kick a field goal there. Yeah. They were very fortunate. They were very fortunate. I'm confident we were good down and good down in the field and do something. Listen, I'm not willing to say they have red zone issues yet. Maybe next week we will that those penalties are so debilitating that I'm just going to write it off. That's probably too simplistic, but I mean, we damn never had a penalty every time we were in the rest of the soul crushers. I mean, they're just, they just, they're, they're drive enders. I mean, they're deaf. I don't understand why these are veteran offensive lineman. Why they're bought. I mean, Sin. It's a rookie. Okay. But the veteran offensive lineman, not knowing like the counts. Yeah. I don't know. Jaden was up and up. Maybe it could have been something like that. And right. I don't know what it was. It was a podcast. Yeah. He didn't understand it. Basically saying his pop Warner football team that he coached would be running laps forever. I think what he said. That bad. Right. He's right. He's right. I agree with on the defensive side, Joe Witt said he has to be better. Yeah. I agree. You have to be better, Joe Witt. And I think somebody over there on the offensive side, I don't know who it is. Obviously the players are responsible. But the coaches, they got, and kind of swears and all the guys that cover the team that they work on red zone all, you know, they work on it all preseason. And I'm sure they did. But they obviously didn't work on it enough. Well, well, it's hard when you get behind the eight ball because of the penalties and the penalties were. What's up? I'm talking about the penalties. I mean, they didn't actually throw the ball into the end zone. Yeah. Maybe once or twice that I can remember and I remember the one where he was kind of scrambling around. He threw it to the back of the end zone and Diami was out of bounds. Yeah. I don't really remember any others. There was probably one other one. You probably threw that a hair late and there was one or two where Jaden clearly has to throw the ball away. Yeah. You know, he's probably used to turn in that corner and college where not every time you're going to be able to turn that corner approach, just throw it away. You saw my homes do it a bunch of times yesterday. Just throw it away. And I'm not one to tell Adam Peters how to do his job. I might. But if, but if a demonic pass rusher and a top corner aren't at the top of your list for the season, then I don't know what you're doing because they have to be top of lists. Well, they, they want, if they had the top two or three pick, right, which they might Travis Hunter out of Colorado is who they're going to take and then please pick him and you could use him both way as receiver or a corner. Yes. All right. Because he's unbelievable. Both of them. It is a victory Monday. Brought to you by Chinega Myos. A 2024 top workplace visit careers with M I O S dot com. As I mentioned, Jon Con joins the seven walls of our colleagues check in at 8 20 Chris Russell host to Chris Russell showing team 9 80 will join us 6 45 or grading Jaden. And next we want to hear from you pros and comms from the game. Your takeaways 80636 1067. It is victory Monday. We'll take your calls next here on the jump. Be Mitch Finley one oh six seven the fan. I'm sitting in the back corner of this little trailer mind of my own business and there's a knock on the door and it's none other than Mr. Fred smooth. What's up, JP? How you doing, brother? I am great, man, but you don't like my Deshawn Watson comp. No, no. That's so backwards. So wrong. Was that that wrong? It might not be that right. It got a thing about Deshawn. Deshawn even a Clemson broke the pocket to pass the ball. Was he a runner? Yes. He's a legit running threat, but he don't lean on any and weaponize it like Jane Daniels did. Like I have never seen Deshawn Watson with a run over 50 yards. Like so at the end of the day, my true comp for him is Randall Cunningham prime Randall coming him. Both of them have a long gated throwing motion. Both of them have a running style where they're not really, they're more gliding. Yeah. Gliding has been my word. He's not a make you miss guy, but he has these subtle changes of direction in the open field. It's similar to how Randy Moss ran. He was gliding so fast that we could not come up, I mean, look at him and say how fast is he moves? Sure. Well, Jane has the same deceptive running style and like you say, very slippery. How about that? So the Randall comp, yeah, Randall was listed 6, 4, 2, 12. So not tall, but not the biggest guy. Yeah. Jayden's listed 6, 4, 2, 10. Same body tight. That's pretty similar. If you look at Jane's numbers here, I'm sorry, if you look at Randall's numbers, especially from kind of those prime years, late 80s, in Philly, I mean, I think Jane Michael, like you look at Randall at three straight years where he made the Pro Bowl, where he's passing for 24 touchdowns, running for 440. One big difference, I would say, and this is a difference era, it's a different era. Well, quarterbacks, and I don't know if you heard the Mel Kuiper audio, but I don't know with me, I'll tell my stick to the dram. Yeah, that was banana land, but quarterbacks did, used to throw a lot more picks, and their completion percentages used to be way lower. Yeah. Now, a lot more is kind of a controlled passing game. Completion percentages are way up. Jayden's, I mean, never say never, but that Pro Bowl season for Randall that I just brought up, yeah, Randall threw 16 picks. I don't think Jayden's ever going to throw 16 picks. Wait, he takes, he takes care of the ball, like the one thing I can say to you is, first of all, let me talk about the Mea Kuiper fee. Yeah. It's only two. Yeah, you're a defensive back. Yeah, yeah. It's only two people in this world that get paid to be wrong, and there's Mea Kuiper in the weather, man. All right. It's no different between partly. Sorry. Taking shots if I got Doug Cameron. Yeah. I'm just saying, what's the difference? Let me actually, what's the difference between partly sunny and partly cloudy? Nothing. Supreme Court Justice, I think it's Potter Stewart as the ultimate line. Yeah. Now, he used this to explain pornography. Yeah. I can't. Hey, I can't define it, but I know it when I see it. Yes. The difference between partly sunny and partly cloudy, but it's hard to define. Technically, it's no different. Sure. So Mea Kuiper does this out of time where he goes and say, this player is going to dominate this. We've never seen a guy like clown. Yeah, we have. All right. I'm sorry. So at the end of the day, it's one of those jobs where it's a lot of error in it. So I give them that error. Specific to cloudy, I'm curious if you were. I think the best thing that happened for him, but what set him on a trajectory that he probably never reached his potential when he knocked that kid's helmet off in the bowl game against Michigan. So you're saying that one play of success because it just blew up so much, probably just because the kid didn't have his chin sharp, buckled and he hit him at the right angle. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, I think him, his career path, I think he's had a very good career. And I think it's similar to Chase. I don't think that's that kind. I think once you put these defensive in on this pedestal and everybody thinks because sometimes they come out of college looking like Bruce Smith, they're going to have the same effect that Bruce Smith had from day one. And it doesn't happen. Like I tell you in the franchise, if you're a franchise and you're leaning on your defense of being in the win, your championship, you're not going to win them. They're just football. Yeah. Speaking of the football defensively, what do you see in from this commander's team? How do they get better? I'm seeing a team that has a new coordinator. I'm seeing a team that has 70% new players. I'm seeing a team that's only played four. I mean, eight quarters of football together like we have to step back. We have to step back. You got to realize this coach and staff, this ownership has nothing to do with the last 25 years of our post traumatic stress. All right. Sure. And now we want everything microwavable and we want them to be good now. No, it takes time. Like the only way that we get better on defense is we problem solve together. Well, I can't problem solve unless we in the game together, like we have to see something once, twice, three times, and then we're like, all right, this is how just the best way for us to go about doing this. All right. From the first game against the books, you see the books getting a lot of bunch formations. All right. We weren't boxing those formations. In the second game, we was boxing those formations. So I'm seeing the growth, but it's not going to happen without all these new players. Come on, what we got? Four starters. And it's not going to be linear. Yeah. Like it could be. You know, it's going to be up and down until they understand one, Joe Witt's philosophy and how he want things done, and two, as they play together, they will get better. It's like a boy band. Like once you get them together, they need to work on the routine before we actually go do a concert. I did like the adjustment they made specifically against neighbors, but against the Giants. They sat Mike Davis down, they put Benny St. Juice on him. Yep. Let Noah. I worked the other side. Yup. You can't say that name? He's Noah. What is it? I can say a name better than you, Jakey. Come on now. I think you go, at least until Forbes is back, you do the same thing this week. B.S.J., Noah, I, Sam are still, use your safeties, how you want, how, Jamar Chase doesn't seem Jamar Chase quite yet. Yeah, the holdout. That's what happens. Sure. They're saying T Higgins should be back for Monday night. How concerning is this match-up specifically, Burro Chase Higgins, Gasecki's playing well for them? Yeah. This new why not? They have Yoshi. Yeah, I actually have Burton. Right. I also have Burton. Right. So another rookie. Well, the thing about it is you do what everybody else is doing to upset the stomachs of fantasy football owners all over the world and you play too high safeties. Yeah. Mel's going to be screaming at him. But tell him to eat his pumpkin pie. He does. He eats pie every day, right? Yeah. Isn't that the thing? But I've had this back and forth with Logan Paulson about pumpkin pies as a theme period. It's not a theme, JP. Do you love pumpkin pies, the question? Love, though. Do you eat pumpkin pie? Probably a piece on Thanksgiving. Listen, I think we're raised by our mom and dad not to play with food. You think that's a play food? Come on, we draw faces in and set it on porches. All right. Like, come on. Like, have you ever said, you know, told your wife I'll be right back, I'm going to the grocery store. And she was like, by the way, grab some pumpkin. Of all the pies, right? Yeah. Pumpkin is way down my list. First of all, it's lass. Yeah. It's lass. Yeah, it might be. Like, no other time do you eat slices of pumpkin. Right. All right. So it's just not. It's one of those... Is it a fruit? My wife, though, weirdly likes pumpkin soup. Have you ever had pumpkin soup? Never. It's a big... It's like... It's like big in Jamaica? No, no. Can I actually do it? I'm telling you. It's kind of good. Is pumpkin a fruit or vegetable? I don't know. Similar to a tomato. It's... I like tomatoes. I'd rather have tomato pie. Have you ever had tomato pie? Really good. No, I have it. It's not like dessert. It's like a lunch, but it's good. So you do agree with me that tomato is a fruit? I suppose there's a definition to this that I'm aware of. Yeah. No, no. If it's a fruit, that means ketchup is the first smoothie. I'm just telling you, do you have workshop in that one? No, no, no. Because when I do my investigations, I want to know what, why, and where. What's your one seed for pie? My one seed for pie... It's hard to turn down a good, put together apple pie. Let's be honest. Sure. I love peach pie though. That's a... I like peach cobbler. No, I love peach cobbler. That's my one seed of cobbler. Why a mile? I don't know because peach cobbler and blueberry cobbler. It's a fight right there. So blueberry pie is my one seed? Yeah. Yeah. Blueberry pie peach cobbler. My wife makes a blueberry and peach cobbler, which is banged. Yeah. Most definitely. What do you got going? You're doing pie pie. You're doing pie pie. Yeah. We should do a couple of interviews. You know me. You're welcoming to hang out here as long as you want. B-Mitch has an event today, so I'm solo. Well, you know what? Y'all do a good job of dodging each other for y'all to have such a brotherhood and such a show. And plus, can it be Mitch? It's everywhere now. He's everywhere. He got the full energy. He allows 20-30 pounds. He's doing the Howard Hampton game this weekend at Audi Field. Oh, nice. The battle of the Real HU. I have to let a B-Mitch know this. I'm doing this shirt, and I'm going to wear this shirt probably for the next couple of years until they get these guys. The shirt is currently wearing it. No, no, no. Another shirt that I'm getting made right now. And it's called Damn Shame, Hall of Fame. All right? I like it. I'm going to do Joe Jacoby, Brian Mitchell in the middle, London Fletcher on the end. And I think it's up to us as the fan bases, up to us as the team to get these guys where they belong. It's a shame that London Fletcher numbers reflect Ray Lewis, and he ain't in there. All right. It's a shame. I hate to say it. I played against Devin Hester, but he wasn't supposed to go in before B-Mitch. All right. B-Mitch should have been the first returner to ever get that bust of his head, and that's going to be a big old head when they have some big busts. You guys have mined some more copper or whatever. Bronze. In Joe Jacoby. Come on. Like what are you waiting on? Not only am I with you, I got a guy that might be Todd Bradley or Tim Manley. Make us those shirts. Damn Shame, Hall of Fame. Those three faces on it. I'll wear it on TV, Fred'll wear it everywhere he goes. Yeah. Thank you for stopping in, dude. Randall Cunningham is the comp. I got it. Thank you, bro. 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Limited battery warranty covers defects and materials for 10 years or 100,000 miles which never occurs first. Sea owners manual for complete warranty details and limitations visit hundayusa.com or call 562-3144603 for more details. We are fired up to go to the hotline right now. Welcome on to the show Austin Echler, commanders tailback and the team's leading receiver through two games. Austin, welcome back on G&D, how you been, man? I've been doing well, doing well, thanks for having me back on. You got it. Always, every single Tuesday, all season long, Austin will be with us right here at 5 o'clock on the fan. So there's so much to get into, but I guess we could start right at the beginning of the game with a 98-yard house call, new kickoff rule, Echler's back there as a surprise on the week one, first return, and it took you all of two weeks to break one for a touchdown and then it came back via penalty. Let's just start with what you saw as you approached that pile of bodies in the new kickoff. I know. What an epic way to start out the season, huh, at the home opener. I just, I was like, there's no way that this is starting it out like this, but I guess here we go. So I mean, the boys blocked it up. I really didn't have to do anything too crazy. That's the beauty of having great blocking, but unfortunately, someone blocked a little too good and obviously got the holding call and brought it back, but still a good way to bring some energy to the home opener. So it couldn't have been any more epic. When did you realize and how did you find out eventually there was a flag down? Did someone yell at you? Because you guys were celebrating in the end zone for a minute first. Yeah. I mean, so it's still, we still celebrate because we don't know what the flag is, right? So we're going to go out there and do our thing as far as like, yeah, you know, get everyone pumped up because not often you see, you know, one to the house. And so especially with me back there, I haven't returned kickoff since my rookie year. So yeah, I was definitely disappointed to realize there was a holding call, but hey, we still got the most of the energy that we could. All right. You're such a nice guy. I would wonder if like, if I'm you, I might do something post game because obviously you guys got the wind and it's, and it's water under the bridge, but you could just go stand next to Nick Buller's locker, just kind of stare at him. Just like just for like extended few seconds and just, this is not just kidding man. Good game. You know what I mean? Like you ever do stuff like that? Those kind of hijinks to break the tension. He immediately came to me and apologized and so I was appreciative. I didn't even know who got the holding call, but I was appreciative of that. He, he owned up to his mistake and let me know what happened again. So we're, we're straight. We're straight over. So there's no like bottle of wine or anything like kangaroo court style after a play like that comes back. Oh, no, I think, you know what, we're teammates. We get it stuff happens, you know, we'll pat each other on the back and we'll get onto the next one. Well, more opportunities. So how do you like the new kickoff so far? It's kind of weird to ask after you break one. I'm sure you like it a lot more now, but I mean, seriously though, it looks funny, but what do you think? It's, it's different. That's for sure. I think it definitely takes out the big collisions of the initial kind of stopping of a body on kickoff return for those guys. So I think for as far as the concepts and why they put it in, I think that works. I mean, it's still a violent place, still football and people running full speed each other. So you never take that out of it. So it just, yeah, it just looks funny. But I think it's just one of those things where everyone's got to kind of get used to it. Then you'll be like, oh, yeah, that's how we do it. So I think it's here to stay. And I, yeah, I think it's good. Austin, how comfortable are you at this point in this offense in terms of having it be, you know, kind of second nature, you just know it intuitively at this stage? How long does it take you? Oh, well, what's really unique about the NFL is there's a base kind of that we have as an offense. But then you start to game plan for every single opponent, right? You have like a new offense, somewhat being installed on every single week. So you'll still have some of your base plays, but then say, hey, here's some key plays based off of what we see with matchups, with different coverages, different philosophies, from defensive coordinators that we'll try to counter. So it's always the evolving playbook. But for the most part, we know how to communicate with each other. We got to get ourselves straightened out with some of these false starts, which is an easy to fix. Just communication air there with the cadence and everything and being allowed. So I feel comfortable, but not necessarily like it's something that I know by nature because it's always evolving. So that makes sense. Austin, you've done a really nice job and had some big collisions in the backfield in past pro. And I know that's been a big part of your game because you can't be a past catching back on the field in those situations. If you're not trusted to pick up blitzers and pick up DBs coming off the edge, take me back to when really that became a priority. I can't imagine you were doing a lot of that in college. Maybe you could correct me, but like, how did you get good at that? And for a lot of running backs, it's what separates you being in the league or not when you're down the depth chart. Like what goes in there? There's a lot that goes into it. It's not complicated. It's actually simple, but not easy on those things. It can get complicated, I should say, but it's more so okay. We have to understand who the decordinator is and what their philosophy is. What are they trying to do? How are they going to potentially be setting up? And then everything has to do with what is our philosophy on offense? Are we sorting? Are we on a man call? Like what type of protection scheme do we have? Is it play action? Because all of these different plays drop back, three-step, five-step, all of these different plays, I have different types of protection rules. And so knowing what the play is, knowing what the defense is, doing some studying, marrying those together, walking through it a bunch of times during the week, that gets you to step one. Okay, now you know who to block. Second is actually going and actually doing the blocking. So if you know who to block, you can react even quicker. And the quicker you can react, the less time they have to get to full steam and run you over. And so that's kind of my philosophy is know who's blitzing right at the snap based off of my pre-snap reads and based off of demeanor and stuff like that, and then get myself in a position where I don't have to take on a full charging guy that's 40 pounds heavier than me. Then it comes down to your technique. What's your technique? Me? I'm built with leverage. You know, I'm five eight, so I'm already probably lower than you are. So now it comes down to using proper technique, hands inside, setting a good base and delivering a blow. So I mean, there you go. That's how you pass blocking the NFL. All right. I'm ready to go. I'll just go do that real quick. Also five eight. We have very different bodies. We have very different frames on our five eight. I would point out, as you know, from finally meeting in person in the locker room here the other day. Austin Eckler's with us on Grant and Danny, how much film do you watch in a week before a game? Oh, it's very particular as far as not like I'm watching games and games and games, but more so watching kind of like different linebackers watching different kind of cut ups of what we're expecting to see. I don't want to get bogged down watching too much film and over thinking just seeing really the structure of their defense. And now at this point being in nine years, you showed me the structure that I'm pretty much got what their defense is going to look like. And now it's just kind of studying some of their what we call game records to kind of see how I can affect them, whether it's shipping guys on the way out, if it's a defensive lineman or edge rusher or making sure that I know if it's a linebacker, how they blitz, how they cover like what is their strength that makes them a game record. So at this point, it's really just particularly kind of looking at guys that can really affect the game in a big way. Austin Echler with this here on Grant and Danny. So Austin, I was thinking back to our conversation last week during the game. I think it was a reception. It could have been a run, but it was on the left sideline. And I think you went to hurdle somebody and he didn't go down. Maybe the way that you thought he would and you bounced off him and we're on your feet and kind of we're looking around like, well, what's wrong with you, dude? Why are you down? And I'm still up. Now I couldn't help but think of that combo where you saying, yeah, I kind of bounce off people. It's sort of what I do. That seemed like pretty good evidence of that, man, that's kind of been the story of Austin. Myself is like, hey, I can run. I'm strong lower body, good body control as you could see there. Yeah. So I catch the ball down the sideline. I'm running full speed at a corner and I'm like, okay, DB probably going to go low. And so I start to gather to jump. Well, was I wrong? Yeah. He also jumps, but into me, luckily I was in a position where I could really brace myself. And then there was a linebacker there that ended up being in the picture too that kind of got some aftermath of it. And they both fell down. And I mean, when you go airborne and it doesn't work, usually it's carnage and you're on the ground. Fortunately for your boy this time, I, boom, I stick to landing and I'm just like in my head, like, what the heck? How did I just land that? Yeah. You know, I should have done some like, some like, you know, UFC like celebration move because, you know, everyone was on the ground around me that would have been cool or some like, sumo stamp stomp or something kind of missed opportunity. But next time, you know, next time I get a running airborne, you know, collateral damage around me, I'll, I'll make sure to hit a celebration. So you mentioned that like, like a corner out there, I was going to ask you when, when do you go? I mean, it's all split second. You guys are going so damn fast, but when is it hurdle time? When is it shoulder time? When is it a show them a little wiggle? Like, like, how do you decide in that kind of split second? Uh, it's, it's just repetition and kind of how your philosophy of your brain works because some guys aren't like, oh, I'm going to wiggle. Like, I had a, I had a, uh, inside zone where it was me lying back a one on one and in my head, it's like, ooh, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, get around and it's just like kind of like a reaction. Like, oh, get around. Like, and it's like, oh, Jeff step, like, I've already been through this scenario going through bags hundreds, thousands of times, you know, hurdle or it's like, oh, hey, they're going low. That one was kind of preempted. And so, yeah, usually don't do that does end up too well. Um, usually it should be a reaction if they go low, you go high. Um, and so it's all reactionary based off of their leverage, how fast they're going, your fast, you're going, your positioning is anyone around you and you kind of adapt to that kind of scenario with what tools you have in your toolbox. So you got to know what tools you have, you got to continue to play within the confinement of your capacity. Um, luckily for me, it's really kind of just being that kind of scat, like, I'm, you know, I'm really agile and not necessarily a bruiser. So if I was a bruiser, I'd run a moke that's not necessarily my game plan. Speaking of bruisers Austin, Brian Robinson, ripped off a 40 yard and two 30 plusers this week on his way to a career high one 33, you and him both having field days, you throw Jaden into the mix. You guys ran for two 15 right now. The running game is one of the best in football already and it just seems like an identity is being established. What did you make of how successful you guys dominated the Giants on the ground? Yeah, Brian Robinson is definitely a punisher like he is a big back who's going to look for content or contact and run you over like that's his philosophy. That's kind of his build. And then he's going to continue to rise and not going to be to take this man down like he is strong lower body 62, 225, you know, just a big running back. And I think it's awesome. I think it's awesome that we have him kind of that punisher type and then we have myself who's really past catcher make you miss type as well. And so it's a good it's a good kind of two headed monster that we have in the backfield and you know, you got to give credit to the old line for, you know, the run game getting it started to because they've been doing a good job of making sure we have some gaps as well. And so as we continue to put this thing together, we've had a good running plan as it marries up with the past game as always. And so it's just a good complimentary football and we're able to put the ground game together. A little inside football here, how often on a RPO, like you guys are RPO them to death early in the game with those screens. Do you know generally if it's going to be pulled and thrown or given to you? And I'm just curious, like for you, I saw four ineligible man penalties for the line for the Eagles on Monday night football last night on those RPOs that hurts pulled. I get how hard it is for them. But as a back, like what's that play like? Yeah, I mean, for you, you're philosophy as we run the ball, like you have to, like you can't be thinking, oh, he's going to pull it because the fact that if you're thinking of that and then now what you're not thinking of, well, where you need to run the ball and how you need to get there. And so you as a running back, just kind of or blocked in on your keys and your read so that when you does hand the ball, because you're anticipating that, that you can get through where you need to get through. So you're not trying to like read the same defender that he is basically to know. Heck no. Heck no. It's so for us, we're getting it blind. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know who he's reading and where they're at. But as far as, you know, if he's going to pull it or not, we don't know that. Got you. Austin Ackler with the Sierra on GND. So Austin's curious. I mean, obviously you guys are competitors. You want to win the football game. That's done. That's obvious. That's a given. Just wondering how you're viewing this. So me as a, as just a pudgy zilch of a fan, I will take 37 minutes of time of possession, 400 plus yards. We already mentioned the, the, the rushing stats, no punts. You guys on the red zone six different times versus you guys weren't able to punch it in a couple of different things happen each time. How do you view that offensive performance for you guys? Obviously the one's most important thing, but, you know, is that a, hey, it's encouraging. Look at all the good or is it, damn, we left some in on the bond. How do you view that as a competitor? There's, there's some good and some bad. There's good that we didn't have to plan. We were able to move the ball and get into scoring position. That's good. Bad because offensively we'd never scored. And so it's not necessarily like a medium, like there's good and bad. And you call it how it is and you take it how it is and you learn from it. And for us, yes, we showed signs of being able to consistently move the ball, which is great. We want to build off of that. But what definitely needs to happen is we got to get rid of these red zone penalties that are killing us in the red zone, backing us up, and we got to find a way to get our butts in the end zone because you, you're not going to win many games if you don't make field goals and can't get in the end zone in this league. Every once in a while you might sneak your win like we did on a, on a field day of field goals, but you don't want to live in that world. Yeah, no doubt. I think there were five false starts in the red zone where some of those like out of the huddle late or trying to change a player or they all just flinches like, what was their theme there? It's all of the above, all of the above. It was loud. It's flinches. It's changing plays. So it's the great thing for us is the stuff that we can fix, right? It's not, not a matter of, you know, someone's not talented enough or anything like that. Like these are easy penalties that we can easily fix by doing some, you know, just get on the same page, kind of take a, take an extra period to talk through this in a meeting and things like that and a walk through to say, this is how we're doing a red zone. Everyone lock into this cadence and things like that, you know, I wonder if there's someone that's, again, it's been around and seeing some things in this league. I wonder if this is just sort of this off the top of my head here, Austin, like I've seen it occasionally happen. I'm just sort of curious if this is something that you would feel comfortable doing or if it would make sense. Like if you see something before the quarterback does, right, where you go, Hey, what we've got called in your brain, like what we've got called is not going to work because of this. Would you be able to go, Hey, Jayden, dude, like, do you see that? Like look over there. Don't do that. Let's run something else. Or is it just sort of, you got to hope he sees it. Like how would that work? Yeah, not, I wouldn't do that during the play. You know, that's something that if he, if he did miss the call, you talk about on the sideline, but just we have to know as players, especially the right back, I'm right next to him. He is command and seeing all of this. And so he's putting us on the same page and I'm not in every single one of his quarterback meetings. So it might be something that I think because I heard something else, but he might be seeing something else totally different. Gotcha. And so there's no chance I'm ever going to be like, Hey, Jayden, check it to this, you know, because that's just kind of stepping out of what is on my plate as far as far as responsibilities. You know, it's, it's, there's things that I see, you know, was like, Hey, they're dropping me in the flat, you know, things like that, like, or Hey, Hey, coach, they're bringing down the free safety. I would more so talk to one of our coaches and then get that relayed so that Jayden would know if we need to check out of that stuff like that. Yeah. Austin, there are a few things prettier in football. Again, baseball, the most beautiful thing you could see is like a perfectly executed hit and run, right? In football, the perfectly timed and designed screen, Oh, I get steamed up. There were two awesome designs from Cliff. One was a center screen. It looked like designed to you maybe on like that little Texas route where you come back. Oh, yeah. And you got two dudes on the hashes just walled off and you kind of like a surfer through a wave haul ass between both of them. That was awesome. And then the throwback screen that was clearly designed for you as well. I mean, either a thought on both of those is fine, but was one of those better executed did you think? Did you have a favorite like design to that week? Yeah, funny thing is the throwback wasn't even a screen. I was checked out. I just have to be wide open over there. Oh, wow. I was hoping to ship the end. So a check down can turn into big plays too, but that the screen across the middle. Yeah, that was that was the thing of beauty for sure. And it's so hard. Here's the thing. And all NFL teams go through it. It's so hard to simulate those types of plays in practice because you don't know if you're going to get a true rush from the guys from on defense or if they're going to sniff it out right away. You kind of just like, all right, let's just go in here and try to make this thing work. And even, you know, some of our line was talking about like, yeah, we had no idea how that was going to play out, but it played out perfectly for us. And like you said, it was a thing of beauty getting right down the hatchet and picking up a first down and like third, like 15. Awesome. Obviously, no spoilers here. It's like a like a super secret embargo of like a movie trailer or something that's coming out. But the more you and Brian Robinson are on the field together, I think the harder it's going to be for defense is like, does it feel like there's more in store in that regard? Just kind of keeping them on their heels and guessing. Look, I think Brian and I have done a good job of when we have the ball in our hands, make it something happen. And there's only one ball. So whether we're both on the field or not, or if it's him or me, I think it just comes down to, hey, if we can get the ball in our hands, we've got to continue to do what we've been doing and build them off of what our team has been able to build off of with us in a dynamic way, right, or continue to find different ways to get the ball as out wide, whether it's in the screen game, whether it's running off tackle, tosses, I think the things happen as we're on the same page and making plays and, you know, our team is doing the same around us. No telling, I have no idea, it comes down to whether it's our matchup, who we playing, do we match up well, you know, what's going on with potentially injuries and things like that. So it's a whole, it's a whole ecosystem, you know, algorithm that these coaches are trying to, you know, find the best way to try to attack. Ducky Sauce on Twitter, one of our listeners said, please ask Austin about his winning the Angry Run Awards. So NFL networks. Good morning football. I didn't see that. Can you win the award for the flying knee today? Apparently I won an award for, yeah, for jumping in the air and, you know, trucking a guy in the air and then let's stick in the landing. There you go. So you'll get that. What do they give? They give like a little sword or something. Yeah. Like a mallet or something. I don't know. They get all hyped up for for some boy. It's a cool little segment. I didn't actually know about it until today, but I saw the video that they made and seems like they got good energy over there. So I'm thankful for any recognition. Yeah. It's another trophy for the case, dude. What? There it is. Obviously like touchdowns are the best. Well, what's something like kind of hidden small could be past pro or something else where like in the film room, you and maybe the other running backs are going nuts, like something that we wouldn't notice at home. Ooh, that we wouldn't notice at home because I'm going to say, well, touchdown is obviously a nice one, but I can notice those, but you can also notice like like making people miss like winning one on one. That's another one that like we're big on as far as like big in the in the room because it depends on who you are to pass pro is another big one. Right? Just great solid pass pro. Like that's something that like the chip where you get a guy off balance and just drill them. Not even that. It's just like when you just like, you know, stone a guy in the hole and it's just like that sound a little weird, but you need to just like sturdy in there and you're just, you know, boom, you got your job done and put it in the pocket. Like that's something that we get, we get excited about and just, I mean, good fundamentals and runs too. It doesn't have to be like a gash like, Hey, you found the soft spot and then you fell forward for another two, three yards drag at somebody like that's something that's like nice. Like that's good football right there because not every run is going to be a huge run. But hey, what can you make when it's a little cloudy? So those are a couple just a couple of moments left with our guy. Austin Echler once a week joins us here on Grant and Danny kind enough to do so all season long on the fan. We will continue to incorporate more and more questions from listeners as we go to. I know something that you want to do a lot of two things. One, what'd you do with the off day today? How'd you spend your Tuesday away from the park? Yeah. So my office pretty much consists of all the same, same things for me and it's really building all of the ecosystems that I have outside of football. So right now my app experience is kind of my baby that I'm nurturing and building and putting it out to the market to fan engagement platform that helps colleges and professional athletes connect with fans. So that's what I've been doing today. I've had a ton of calls with teams getting things together. We're really learning from a lot of our processes now. And so that's pretty much it. I went in and got to work out as well, got some treatment about to go down to Georgetown actually with my wife now and have dinner with one of her friends. So a good, active, productive off day. Well done. If you ever need food wrecks where you're guys, we can't help you with pass pro. We will help you. No work out tips here. But food, we got you. We got nothing but good advice on that front for you. And then the other thing I wanted to know was before we let you go, Monday night football, man, next time we see we'll be under the bright lights, Joe Buck Troy, achbon, the whole country watching in Cincinnati coming from the AFC, a place you've been too many a time, I'm sure. But is there any added juice national TV prime time Monday night? What's your thoughts? I mean, there's definitely some added juice because it's a prime time game, absolutely. But the thing is we're already matched out on juice when we go play our game. So that's just another thing to add on top of it, I guess. But in the most part, we're ready to go with every game. So prime time, we'll take it normal, kick off, you know, 11 o'clock one o'clock. It doesn't matter. We're ready to go. Awesome. As always, my friend. We'll talk to you next week, man. Okay. Looking forward to it, boys. Have a good one. Thank you. Austin Echler. Absolute stud. I wish that 98 yard major tuddy would have held up for him. The hold was away from the play. It was like that's a touchdown, dude. Just stand next to the guy. Phone lines open. How would you describe Jaden Daniels' first two games to somebody that didn't see either game? 301-330-98301-230-0980. So let me just mention the last sack that I didn't talk about. Again, the first four, I think the first, I think the first one have no clue. I think the Giants may have just schemed up a really good blitz and he does a phenomenal job of making a 10 to 12 yard loss, a three yard loss. The second one, opening drive. I don't know why he doesn't throw it to send it in the flat. I don't think it's a big play. He came off that. He ends up scrambling, loses five yards. The third one, Zacchaeus, got knocked to the ground. I don't know why there wasn't a flag. The drive three, the fourth one, he's pressured. He's scrambled. McCaffrey's open if he waits. And then the next play, while not a sack, it's a 14 yard scramble, was a missed opportunity for a big play to Luke McCaffrey. And then the last sack is actually a zero yard sack. He got sacked another time where there's defensive holding for five yards, so that gets wiped away as an actual sack. But this one is a, in the second half, the first drive of the second half. It's second naded to giant nine yard line. He drops back the giant's zone pretty much across the board. It does look like there's an opportunity in the back of the end zone. I'm just telling you guys on the all 22, because of their uniforms and their numbers, sometimes it's tough to pick up who it is. Sometimes it's easy, but it's the slot receiver. I think it's Terry in the slot, and I think he's got a chance to throw it and lead him to sort of the back right part of the end zone with a throw that only maybe he can catch. And he doesn't pull the trigger instead he tucks it and gets it back to the line of scrimmage on a scramble, which ends up being technically a sack, even though it was a zero yard game. So there you go, the five sacks in the game. That one, by the way, led to a third nate where he threw incomplete to Deami Brown in the back of the end zone. And I did want to mention that next play, because I do think there was kind of an opportunity to lead Brown into the back of the end zone by throwing a little bit earlier where maybe it's a touchdown. He throws it maybe a little bit late, throws it off his back foot. Now he got walloped when he threw it, threw it off his back foot. I think if the ball comes out earlier, there's a chance for a touchdown to Deami Brown there. So there you go. There's some constructive critiquing of Jaden Daniels. He ain't making every play. That's for sure. But he's making a lot more good ones than bad ones. But there were some missed opportunities, the Noah Brown stop and go double move we talked about, and certainly back to back plays to McCaffrey and then maybe even on this third down in nine, first drive of the second half, if that ball comes out much sooner, I'm wondering like that's one I'd love to talk to, you know, somebody there, you know, and say, curious. Should the ball have come out right away, throwing to a spot, Deami's beating his guy pretty much off the line of scrimmage. You know where it's going to go. If he doesn't wait, is there a chance for that? I think the answer is yes. I think the answer is yes. There you go. There's some of the stuff that I saw. There were a couple of other plays. Oh, remember the play in which they're running, you know, the little tap pass to Zacchaeus, who's in motion? It's kind of, it looks like a fly sweep, but it's actually because he's in front of Jaden, Jaden takes the snap and he's just going to tap pass it to Zacchaeus. So if it's dropped, it's actually an incomplete pass. That plays a touchdown if Jaden doesn't bobble the snap. I mean, what do you chalk that up to? I mean, how many times does he really, he's taken thousands of shotgun snaps, but that play was very well schemed and very well designed. And I think Zacchaeus probably scores on that play, but Jaden bobbled the ball and didn't want to mess up the play and so he ate it. But if he catches the snap cleanly and just touch passes it right in front of him to Zacchaeus, it's not technically, you know, a running play. It would have been a pass then I think it scores. All right. That's enough of that. Phone lines 301-230-983-01230-0980 to someone who had not seen Jaden Daniels play any, any part of the first two games. How would you describe it? Let me just tell you, I did describe it to somebody. This was Sunday night. He didn't see the giant game, although he did see the Tampa game. So it's not exactly what I'm looking for, but I just said he took another big step forward and with the game on the line, he totally delivered because he did. He totally delivered with the game on the line. You know, he had on that first drive of the second half. He had that great throw to Terry on that deep out where Terry totapped it in. He had the balls to Noah Brown to Earts to Noah Brown again, had the read option keeper to get it into total chip shot range. And he, by the way, he's fine going out of bounds there on a first down run. You know, that's not a, it would have been actually a little bit risky to have stayed in bounds. All right. 301-230-0980. Deton, let me ask you friend of ear says, I haven't seen either game. How did Jayden Daniels do in his first two games? What would you say? First thing I would say is he's the best rookie quarterback. I believe with that one so far. I would say, I would really point to this game and say that he got better. Like in the first half, I didn't think he played exceptional because I thought he was holding on to the ball a little too long. And I was happy after after he got the wind knocked out of him that he was more comfortable slinging it and kind of throwing into tighter windows. So seeing that progress has been really good. I would say that he has been, he's been good, right? He's been good. Not great, but he's been really good given what the team looks like. So I would say good if someone who had never watched asked me. Yeah. I think a couple of things, by the way, of course, everybody knows that right now in the league, he's one of the top three athletes at the quarterback position. You know, you go Lamar, you go Josh Allen, you go Jaden Daniels, right? Am I missing somebody or probably him? But he's very likely right now. He is. He's an elite playmaker at the quarterback position in the league. Number two is I love his ball. I think he throws a really good ball, a catchable ball. I think he's got a super quick release. It's very kind of compact. We talked about this all leading up to the draft. I think he processes quickly, but I think right now his processing is more one, two, let me create. And like with the McCaffrey play on one of those sacks, I think that was number two, and he never got to it. I think also just really the opportunities so far, and we saw it in the Tampa game too when he had Terry on a scramble, he's got to keep his eyes down the field and make plays with his arm once he starts to extend the play. I think there have been some missed opportunities there, but I would say so far, it's a solid B plus. There's been much more good than bad. He's given it. Look, the offense never punted on Sunday, 425 yards, 7 of 14 on third down. These are numbers between the 20s that you would take every single Sunday and hope that you could improve a little bit in the red zone and maybe score two touchdowns to go with five field goals. 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Limited battery warranty covers defects materials for 10 years or 100,000 miles which ever occurs first. See owner's manual for complete warranty details and limitations visit Hyundai USA dot com or call 562-314-460-3 for more details. Welcome back. Chuckies coming to you live on 106 of the fan and the team 980 commanders of course face the Bengals in week three on Monday night football lot of people have been praising Jayden Daniels play so far, especially when they compare to the other rookies. Yeah, definitely. Caleb Williams has yet throw a touchdown pass has a couple interceptions in this last game with sacks seven times, cakes is dubbed bow nicks bow picks a great nickname. I can't be the only one. I'm probably stealing that for somebody, but it works. It's apropos for the way he's played so far four picks through two games and now he goes on the road to take on Tampa Bay even though they have a reduced secondary. I would expect him to struggle in that game too. Meanwhile, Jayden Daniels, not exactly setting the world on fire with his passing, but overall hasn't thrown a pick. So he's taken care of the ball and has found them zone twice with his legs. Getting a lot of praise from the analysts who were looking at film and has emerged as the rookie of the year favorite. Are you buying in? We'll put that up as our Scotties vodka poll of the day, our junkies poll of the day. Scotties vodka Maryland made super smooth love throughout the DMV. Will Jayden Daniels win rookie of the year? If you want to chime in, you can call us at 800-636-1067. And what do you think thus far about how he's seeing the field? I mentioned earlier that there was one of these film nerds who was breaking down Terry McCorran's film is saying that he was open, that Jayden didn't hit him here. I liked how Jayden Daniels, I gave him the highest grade this week. You guys all gave him bees. And that's fair. He didn't throw a touchdown pass. They had to settle for field goals, had red zone issues. But I liked how in the second half he did start throwing the ball more downfield. Like I think you're going to see more of that. And look, if you're Cliff Kingsbury and the staff, do you want to overload your rookie quarterback with a bunch of deep passes that he might not be ready for? Why wouldn't you ease him into it? Why wouldn't you just give him a little bit at a time and build on his successes and open up the playbook a little bit more each week? Look, they know they're not contending for a Super Bowl this year. They're trying to develop a young quarterback. Yeah. So I don't, I don't have any problem whatsoever with a measured approach, short passing, get the ball out of your hands quickly, minimize turnovers, completely fine with that because he will keep building on that. That's the kind, that's the way I'm looking at it. But eventually you want to see him start taking shots downfield. Definitely. I mean, you want to see more explosive offense. Of course. You want to see seven field goals. I think you saw that though, with the past Noah Brown, I think he did a little couple of Earths. I think you saw a little bit of it. A little. You're going to see more of it, but it might be this week, it might be Monday night. Who knows? I mean, they got some banged up DBs, but Marvin Harrison's after the week he had last week. He's not out of the picture. He'll be in contention, especially if he keeps stacking weeks similar, and he's got a quarterback that's going to throw to him and target him. Right. Neighbors obviously had a huge game last week against Washington, but his quarterback is limited. So he's going to get every opportunity like he's going to get all the opportunity. He's going to get so many passes thrown his way as long as he stays healthy. Caleb is pretty far behind in my eyes right now, but who knows? What if he has two or three really good games and I don't think any of the quarterbacks are far behind because Jaden doesn't have a touchdown pass. So they're all even in touchdown passes is Jaden played better than the other two. And if you had to vote right now, you would vote for him over the other two quarterbacks. Sure. But there's not enough separation yet because like you said, let's say Caleb wins, throws three touchdown passes, all of a sudden you're like, okay, so I think right now, I mean, it's so early in the seasons, I played two games, but it would be between Jaden and Harrison and Neighbors. Right. Hey, what about the front runners? Hey, what about Joe Alt offensive lineman needs some love. Joe Alt is dominating in San Diego. He's played really well through the first two games. They just, I mean, linemen just don't get any love for that ever happened. The lineman when, when rookie of the year or any sort of award, I don't know. But I mean, if, if the quarterbacks are, you know, mid as the kids say through, through 18 weeks and, you know, the production of wide receivers isn't jumping off the page. And Joe Alt is just performing weekend and week out. I don't know how you can't give it to him. Well, I don't even see a defensive guy, he's winning it. And I guess cause they have a separate, they have a offensive rookie of the year and defensive rookie of the year. I don't, I don't see an alignment ever. It's a quarterback driven league. It's going to be tough for it. I mean, Joe Alt could be outstanding throughout his rookie campaign. It's just going to be tough for, and that sucks doesn't it? Yeah, but that's just the way it is, where the award is. Well, why can't we change how it is? I mean, if you go back to because the odds are what they are, I mean, if you put 20 bucks on Joe Alt to win rookie of the year, you're going to win 5,000 bucks. If you go back to one RG three, if you go back to one RG three, one rookie of the year in 2012, it's been quarterback then Keenan Allen, Odell Beckham's junior, two wide receivers, then Todd Gurley, Zeke, Kareem Hunt, Alvin Kamara, Sequam Barkley, bunch of running backs, then Kyler Murray, last five years, Herbert, Jamar Chase, Garrett Wilson, C.J. Stroud. Yeah, seems like a skill position award. Of course. Um, I mean, in the history, you know, who's having a good start to their season for rookie, but I've only seen one guy at his position when rookie of the year, Brock Bowers, Brock Bowers is putting up some numbers and tight end. What's kind of weird, the Raiders are, they're passing a ton, like they are above their expectations. Like people thought that that would be a run first, heavy run team. He'll hope they don't pass a lot passing a lot with Mitch Sunday's game. Shoot Adams and to Bowers. I mean, if you've got Adams and Bowers to throw to, I mean, Bowers is like a receiver. Right. He's got 15 catches already, right? Yeah. In two games. He'll be in the mix. If he keeps doing what he's done through the first two weeks, he'll likely have, I mean, if you project it out, you know, 80 to 90 catches in a thousand yards. Yeah. He's currently 14 to one on the, uh, the updated odds, not a bad pick. But if I have to vote, you can vote at junk's radio poll of the day right now. I'll give it a yes. I, I thought it was kind of unfair for the articles I think that it came out in the past day or two that just automatically lumped in Jaden Daniels with Nix and Williams for their struggles. It was like, Oh, look at the struggles of the rookie quarterbacks. And I think that's a little unfair to Jaden because I think he's, he hasn't struggled like the other two. It's clearly been better than the other two at this point. Yeah. I guess that we're just kind of basing that off of what happened in the giant and that he hasn't thrown a touchdown. He hasn't thrown a touchdown. I'm sure that that played into it. But I just felt like I was unfair to just, just lump in Jaden with the real struggles of Bo Nix and Caleb Williams through the first two weeks, 800 six, three, six, 106 seven. We know it's early. It's two weeks. He betting favorite, do you like what you've seen from Jaden Daniels thus far? When you talk about the comparison cakes, like when you look at quarterback rating, it's not even close. Jaden Daniels, like in the traditional rating is at 97, right? Whereas Bo Nix is at 51 and Caleb Williams is at 50. Yeah. I mean, he's basically doubling their quarterback rating and then even the QBR where Jaden's not great. He's kind of below average. I think that is a 44. Hey, is that 46.8? I mean, Bo Nix is 36 and Caleb Williams is 24. Right. So yeah, there's a huge separation terms of quality play. Caleb's been sacked a bunch. They're insulting him by putting him by mentioning him with those other two names at this point. All right. Let's go to the phones. 800 six, three, six, 106 seven. You're going to call us in the MGM National Harbor Lister lines. We're just waiting for people to call about Jaden Daniels, the guy who's on the line right now wants to talk about UVA. Oh my God. Gardner Minshew. Gardner Minshew is completing 78% of his passes. Yeah. I mean, look, if you're, if you're, if you're, that's a big number, I mean, it's two weeks your rushing attack is struggling. You might as well lean into that connection that Minshew has with Devonta Adams and Brock Bowers. Right. If you're going to move the ball, if you want to be effective on offense, you're not just going to slam it with Zamere White and get three yards per carry and punt a bunch. You play to your strengths. Man, that's a great survivor pick this week, the Raiders at home against the Panthers. I don't even pay attention to the survivor anymore. I just, I just lament the fact that we, uh, that we got knocked out after one week, can't get it out of my brain. All right. Let's go to the phones. 800 six, three, six, 106 seven, the MGM National Harbor Lister lines. Let's go to Aina in Vienna. Aina, you're all with the junkies. Good morning. Yeah. It's iron and Vienna. I am. What's up? So let me say this, the positives, I think Jane Daniels is very smooth as a player to make the analogy. He's like a better on the field. He's just got a very innate sense of how to make it look easy. The flip side of that is that there's a little bit of California nonchalance to him that just drives me crazy. And it's been here from the beginning, like, Oh, I'll just take Trustways number. It's all good. Oh, I'll make a bet with Malik neighbors. It's all good. And I'm going to call an audible. It's fine. There's no big deal. And I think that nonchalance in his personal attitude permeates on the field where there's a lot of hero balls to him. He's like, one, read to read, you know what, I'm faster than everybody. I'll just run around and make a play. It's going to work until it doesn't work. And he takes a boatload of hits, whether it's in college or whether it's here. And people always try to kind of back justify that, oh, he's trying to do too much. He's such a competitor. Is that the other? I think he's great and has the potential to be great. But if he doesn't clean up his running style ability to slide his nonchalance that I'm faster than everybody, it's just not going to last. It's not going to last at all. It's too small. He's taking too many hits. Cam Newton can't take that many hits. And he's probably half the five of Cam. So those are my thoughts on dating. All right. Thanks. I appreciate it. Don't worry. He talked about it on Monday. Some people feel the same way. He went down for just a play when Driscoll ran on the field, but you were nervous for you were terrified for about a minute, a minute and a half. You're like, oh, you're your worst fears come to realization early in the season. He was on his back and he's lifting up his leg and slaying it down. I thought broken ribs or at least bruise ribs, something that's going to keep him out the rest of the game. Yeah. I was very surprised. He's tough. He gathered himself on the sideline and came right back out. Let's go to Demetri Demetri. You're on with the junkies. Good morning. Good morning, John. How are you? What's up? What's up, buddy? Hey, look, look, I am absolutely just, I love what I see, honestly, just question like when's the last time we had a quarterback that was 75% on his passing? Yeah. I mean, yeah, like I probably been a while. Yeah. Been a while for 410 passing yards, 132 rushing yards, two touchdowns, 96.1 pass rating. I mean, the guys, he's doing good for what he has. He doesn't have any. I'm telling you, you put Caleb Williams on the commanders and you put Jayden Daniels on the bears. Jayden Daniels would be very, very pleased. I'm pretty sure his coaches would be as well. He would have all the weapons, you know what I'm saying? I think that the fan base is really, really protective of him. The NFL had made a post on Instagram and they said that they were just kind of praising Jayden Daniels and saying that he's the only rookie quarterback who hasn't put on a pick and has to turn it over and stuff like that. And I had agreed with somebody that said, hey, you know, he also does have any passing and touchdowns and I mean, our fan base just, I mean, for laid me. It was bad. Like they were just like, well, you suck, get out of the commander's fan base. I'm like, whoa, whoa. I haven't seen this kind of protection since RG3's rookie year. So I mean, I love how our fan base is reacting to him. We did, we, I do think he needs to slide a little bit more or get out of bounds. But I do think he takes chances when it, when it, when it needs to be taken. I think that sometimes it's like, okay, if we're tied or if we lose them by three, I'm going to get this first down because that's, that's in his DNA. He's going to do that. He's going to try to get the extra yard and he's going to try to come back to bottom though. Oh, of course. Yeah. Of course, he also may learn. He's played two NFL games. Right. He's going to continue to get better. I've brought it up. Expand his toolbox. Take a look at Josh Allen's rookie season. Right. He got a lot better in his second season and he got better in his third season. So he got to like, I think you got to like what you've seen so far. Oh, yeah. We realize there's been a lot of sideways passing. They're number one in the league in that department passes behind the line of scrimmage. But I think you started to see in the second half with those throws to know around with the passes to Earth. He's definitely capable of throwing the ball down field. Of course. The question is if he, is he just looking at one guy, if that guy is not open, he's jet. 800 636. That's the question. It's one oh six seven. You can also vote on our poll. The Scotty's vodka poll of the day at junk's radio. Do you think Jay Daniels can win rookie of the year? Everybody on the show that has a walk up song has a good walk up song. But Greenberg's hits every time I hear this, I'm like, I mean, yeah, I know heavy metal Chris is into this. Joining us now as he does is our friend, Mr. Neil Greenberg. Hello, Neil. How do you do? I'm doing super. How are you? We are good, brother. Lots to discuss with your Washington commanders. I said yesterday, I might have teased this that this time last year, commanders were two and oh, and the city was firing up and you were catching shrapnel all over town because you said, yo, I know they're two and oh, but they still stink. You were approved. Correct. Weekly. Yeah, now they're one and one, but I'm not so sure they stink. Where are we at? Well, the numbers like the betting markets and some of the underlying metrics aren't real favorable for Washington. I have them as a bottom, bottom four team in that regard, but I think there's a lot of context that needs to be put around Washington and their performance and Daniel's performance, et cetera. I don't think this is a team that you can really kind of analyze with the metrics the way we can a more established team like the bills or the Eagles. I think there's just a lot happening with Washington that is divorcing their actual performance from the underlying stats to what the coaches are trying to do with this team this season. Explain that a little bit more. Okay. So Jayden Daniels, his performance looks good or poor, depending on what you're looking at. So like the game chart, the pro football focus, have him as below average, ESPN's quarterback, total quarterback rating has him below average, but he, you can see the, the coach of the trying to bring him along slowly, so I'll give you an example. So in the first quarter of games, he's seeing a lot of zone coverage. So what are they trying to do? They're trying to get quicker passes out, you know, sometimes add or behind the line of scrimmage. His average depth of field isn't, a depth of target isn't that, that far. So he's not going to look successful on paper doing that, but he's seeing zone coverage about 80% of the time in the first quarter. And then it starts to open up as, you know, the defenses, see what he's doing, so then they kind of transition more to man coverage. So then he starts to open it up a little bit, we're seeing the offense open up. He's starting to take more shots down the field and that progresses and then they get maybe a little bit more conservative in the fourth quarter, but, you know, they're still kind of bringing him along. So I can see, I can see the vision of the coaching staff, what they're trying to do. And I don't necessarily think like the metrics matter because you have a rookie quarterback that they're trying to get to learn the NFL. So I don't really think that you can look at Washington and say, they're four points worse than an average team or the two points better than an average team. You have to look at them as saying, there's a team in transition trying to bring along a rookie quarterback. Some games that's going to work, some games that isn't, but really the main thread for the season is get jaded through the season healthy and see some progression from game one to game 17. That said, where do you land on what we've seen so far from Jay through two games? I think he's look good. I mean, he's running the football, he's showing that he can make some throws. And obviously the best of the rookie quarterbacks this season, Caleb Williams and Bonix are the two that come to mind. So I think he's doing fine. I mean, he doesn't have many, what Pro Football Focus says are turnover worthy throws, he only has one of those, Caleb Williams and Bonix have nine combined. So I really do think there's a lot to like for what Jay and Daniels is doing. I like to see them open the offense a little bit more, a little bit earlier. But again, I mean, the coaching staff knows their players better than I do. So I think that so far he's looking really good. I tend to agree with you, sorry, go ahead, B. I was like, draft, the draft every year, we always talk about what people can't do. And I think analytics a little bit has come where you do things after the fact, you always talk about what somebody didn't do. What in analytics tell me about how good that a person is doing? I think even if they didn't do what the analytics say they should have done, but they have success, what happens in there, how do they calculate that? You mean like, how do we have perfect hindsight? What I hear most times is what a person didn't do, what a person can't do. I want to hear what the hell he did do. It's a good point, I mean, we're kind of always looking backwards. I think what Jaden is doing well and what I think the analytics will kind of bear this out is he's not getting himself into trouble, he's not making bonehead plays. You know, I know some people are criticizing, maybe he's running too much and I understand that argument. I don't know if I agree with the argument, but I understand it based on, you know, trying to keep him healthy and upright and all that other stuff. But I think Daniel is showing that he can navigate and make the transition from college to the pros. And, you know, we're seeing that that's not always the case with these quarterbacks that are taken high in the draft, does he have stuff to work on, of course, we all do. But I do think that he is executing what the coaching staff is asking him to do. And that's be conservative earlier in the game, start to open it up, be able to read what's going on downfield, be able to read what the defenses are doing. And I think all that will be expressed in the analytics. Now, you'll have to maybe hunt for those, right, because like the all in one numbers may not be favorable for him. But I do think that if you, if at the end of the season, you know, you ask the coaching staff, what were your goals at the beginning of the season? I think Daniel's is going to check a lot of those boxes. I think through two games watching, being there, looking at the numbers, whatever, whatever metric you want to measure with Daniels, you got to be encouraged and it's only two games. They got to play 15 more. He's got to stay healthy. But I keep going back to the fact that he doesn't turn the ball over. Oh, and by the way, he just led a game winning drive like there was once upon a time when like game winning drives were stats that people kept track of, right? Now that is all kind of shifted. And I know it's still unprofitable reference and stuff, but I don't know the kid is showing a lot to me. I noticed a tweet you had that I need you to understand. You can follow Greenberg at end Greenberg. This is from Deep Value Better that you quote tweeted, "EDP, help me understand EDP, not ED landfill." They got bills for that, "EDP," where the commanders land sixth. Right. So what they're trying to do is they're trying to look at the drive and figure out what should the points have been at the end of the drive based on everything that happened, right? So football can be flooky, fumble, an errant bounce, knocks off the hands, flips into a defender, interception, et cetera. So they're looking at if we see 100 of these drives made up of these components, a six yard pass, a seven yard run, et cetera, how many points should they come away with? And it just tries to get at the talent of the team and try to strip away a lot of the noise that we see from the flooky stuff that I talked about. So right now, Washington is sixth in that metric, which means that their drives are really solid. Now, they're one and one and maybe, you know, they're, we're not seeing like the scoreboard part of it. Yeah. But from a X's and O's execution, things go in the right way, Washington's doing a lot of the right things right. And ultimately, that's going to lead to success down the road. Now, it may not be in 2024, but what we're seeing is that Washington is becoming a very efficient team with this offense, which is surprising considering how many new parts they have. I think when you look at Jaden and you look at the fact that they move the ball and get in a scoring position, just me looking at it, not worrying about no analytics or numbers. If they keep getting there, eventually they're going to get better at it. You know what I mean? I don't think I have to put numbers and no, if a person keeps getting inside the 30, they are going to start getting in his own eventually. Right. And that's exactly what this is trying to measure. So it's trying to measure that of, you know, a goal line fumble and it going the other way. It's still giving you credit for the drive, right? Like the, like I think a lot of times we say, oh, that drive produced zero points. But if you march 90 yards down the field, there was a lot of things that went right. Yeah. But what some of those, those metrics are trying to kind of give you. So yeah, I mean, we see that in the NFL all the time, you know, week one, two teams winning without offensive touchdowns, you know, even though they were 1 and 0, you absolutely cannot rely on that type of success going forward. So that's kind of the similar type of thing that we're looking at with some of these metrics. And all the penalties that they had, I mean, you false starts that the rails are a whole damn drive and that pops up. Who do they, who do that gets charted up to or blame to? Well, you got to blame the coaching staff. I think in some ways to kind of, you know, get them prepared for that. You know, we talked about earlier a lot of new parts, a lot of new faces. So it's just the timing of it. I mean, everyone's learning how to play together. I know they had some preseason games, but it's nothing like regular season football. I'm not surprised by those type of penalties. I'd much rather see those type of penalties, which I think could be corrected than, you know, just constant defensive interference or just these plays that, you know, you want to just tear into a player and you'd bench him if you could and it just drives you, drives you insane. So I look at those as being correctable, you know, you can go in the film room, you can practice that with cadence and all that other stuff. But again, I mean, there's going to be growing pains, better those type of growing pains than Jane Daniels throwing five interceptions or just absolutely missing reads down the field. Um, I'm with you there. I think offensively there's real reasons for optimism. You got any reasons for optimism defensively? Uh, boy, this defense is, um, is, is a conundrum. I mean, it's the secondary mostly, right? I mean, isn't the secondary mostly because he people say that I think that's the easy thing to say. Well, yeah, I mean, the system pressure is not on the quarterback either. Yeah, I, I look, the defense is, is tough. I mean, the, the, the run defense is, is good, is very good. Um, I think that their tackling could be better. I think that the pass rush could be better. Um, you know, and I think those two things, you know, kind of, if you can't tackle the defense is going to look a lot worse, right? It doesn't really matter what else that you do. You can have perfect coverage. If you're not able to tackle, then it's, it's, it's all going to fall apart. Um, so I think there's just a lot of things on defense that, that need to be addressed. Um, it, you know, it's really surprising because a couple of years ago, we were talking about how good this defense was and, you know, had all the parts and all if they could just get the offense together, everything's going to be good. Um, but that's, you know, that's what happens with the NFL. So I think, you know, tackling, um, would probably be a major concern. Um, you know, if you want to give the secondary some slack, which I understand, um, but I think that, that, you know, tackling could be a real issue. Um, let's zoom out or quickly, how are you feeling about Monday night football against some bangles for this team? That's a tough one. Um, I, I like the bangles, bangles. I don't like the number necessarily, but I like the bangles, even though they're Owen too. Um, but again, you don't know which Washington team is going to show up. You don't know if it's going to be the one that, that, that is trying to get the kinks out of the offense, um, or is it one where they say, you know what, we're opening it up from, from snap number one, Jayden go do your thing, the defense can hold it together. And next thing, you know, maybe you have a tight game going into the fourth quarter. So, you know, again, I mean, it's really hard to, to read what's going to happen with Washington. Um, do I think Cincinnati is a better team? Yes. But do I think there's an absolute scenario where Washington can come in and start playing the type of football that they want to play and they kind of take the training wheels off for lack of a better term off of Jayden Daley's and the offense and they're very competitive in this game. I can absolutely see that too. I would love to see that. Um, fantasy question for you. I have golf. Sam Darnold is available. Landfill hates Sam Darnold with a burning passion. Can we trust Sam Darnold? Should I pick up Sam frickin' Darnold? I do like Sam Darnold. I think that offense is really working out well. Um, actually like Sam Darnold's passing yards prop on the over, I think he'd probably be at like 245 yards, it opened up at 218, is that like 220 now? Um, yeah. I think people are looking at that, that game against the Giants, but he didn't pass in the fourth quarter. So, like the, the passing numbers were down. I think that he can absolutely run this offense. Um, I do like Darnold way better than golf, um, so yeah, I, I would make that switch for sure. I'm gonna cut Jeff Wilson Jr. from the Dolphins. I'm doing this in real time, Greenberg. All right. Well, you had a good run, Wilson Jr., but I'm here to go. Uh, who's the best team of football? Oh, who's the best team of football that no one will admit to? Um, let's see, I think, I think you got to go with the Chiefs until they, uh, until they prove you're wrong, but New Orleans Saints looks really good. Can they keep that going? I think so. Can I even sick all of my friends from, um, Louisiana calling me now? I think they can. I think that they are a team that, because they play in the NFC South and we have some other big names out there that we can make excuses for, but I do think the Saints are, are the real deal. All right. Wow. Saints the real deal. And you're telling me to start Sam Darnold. What the hell's going on? And don't look back. Hey, I also told you not to draft Christian McCaffrey number one. Remember? You were right. I just, hey, stays hurt. Listen, I picked Darnold up. I don't know that I could start him yet. And the Lions have a game against the Cardinals straight shootout city out there in the desert. You know, Greenberg, how much money you getting from JP of his team wins? I mean, cause he constantly asks you questions all the time about how to build this. Friendship is my reward, be Mitch. Greenberg, if I win a title in either of my fantasy leagues, I could, I could send you a $25 gift card to five guys or you and I don't need any reward, but you're. Don't say that. Make a drink. Beers after it was good. How about that? I need a friendship and retweet my YouTube video that's going to be coming out later on parlays. Done. Parlays are dumb. Don't do them. That's the truth. That's right. That's just a bit. Greenberg. Thank you, dude. Always appreciate having you. All right. Love you guys. I don't know. Take care, man. That's our boy Neil Greenberg in my follow at and Greenberg. Nobody go anywhere. Just getting warmed up. This summer, get away in the Hyundai you've always wanted at the Hyundai getaway sales event. Get the hottest deals of the season on many of our award winning Hyundai models, which all come with America's best warranty, but get going because these deals won't last. Add more joy to your journey at the Hyundai getaway sales event. Now for a limited time, get 1.99% APR for 60 months on the Hyundai Tucson or Elantra. Hurry into the Hyundai getaway sales event. Offers end September 3rd. Call 562-314-4603 for details. Let me ask you this. Yep. I'm a Kyle Mark. Everybody knows that. It's just so correct. By the way, anyway, 85 catches for 1,197 yards. That's what I predict Terry McLaurin to have in San Francisco this year, 85 for 1,197. He runs those square ends, those digs like all that stuff underneath crossers and drags beautifully. I think they would have, basically he'd be more of the Ayuk, I would call it, to like the Deebo or whatever. But to me, he would be like the Pierre of the Kyle offense in a sense. Do you agree with that? Like in that offense with that kind of play caller, he would eat. He would, he would do better than here. Yes. My whole thing with him is I don't even want to use the word dynamic, but like he is not a separator, the only word I keep coming back to is like from a weapon standpoint is dynamicism or something. But like that ability, neighbors is, you all watch neighbors, I'll just use that. Whatever that is, it's just not his game. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Jamar, Chase, some of these young, he is a very, he's like an art monk. Nothing wrong with that, by the way, one of the greatest ever do it. But it's, it's kind of like run, cut guy on your back, catch the ball. Like to me, that's more of what he is than what the league is trending to, which is it be nice to have him a league neighbors. You know, that's what to me, the, the 1300, 1500, 1700 yard guy looks like, try to use it a different analogy, think, think of basketball. Who's the best score in the league right now to, in top of your head? Luca Doncic, just who I thought of, how's that work for you? I'm out of, out of season on the NBA, but yeah, I was, I was going to say, step shooter, Luca score. Yeah. Luca score in 25 a game. I'd assume 34 a game. You know what? What everyone knows? He's getting the ball. It's worth it for that coach to go, I don't care that they know, I'm going to dial stuff up for Luca Doncic at all times. So I'm glad you said that. This was Dan Quinn today talking about not wanting to force the ball to Terry McClellan. And instead, wanting Jaden Daniels, and he's happy that he's basically going, I'm not going to fit that in there to him. Let's find somebody else. Try to move Terry around into different spots, which is important because he has that play making ability to want to find the spots to go. As we're going just into our second full lap together, there'll be more ops for him. Then we need them to be. What you don't want to do is force the ones that aren't there and make sure even though in a certain route, he may be the primary read. But if that one's taken away, that you don't force that one and go to somewhere else, I really respect that about Jaden of making good processing decision. Stop it there. Here's my point on this. Terry is a contested catch came. Think about that catch against the Colts and anecdotally, but like over the years, Terry McClellan is a contested catch star, right? The idea it's not it's rarely going to be ass open. It's just not going to be wide open all the time. That quote worries me a little bit like, I don't force it. No, no, no, no. And if it's Lauren, he doesn't need to be open to catch the football. In fact, most of the time the defender is going to be close and he's going to make you look right. It's that slant that Jaden threw a dime and just six, seven yards slant, whatever, but it was like the best throw to me in a small window that he's made NFL, drove it in type throw. That's Terry. He gets, takes a big hit, it's got a guy hanging from his back, draped over him like a blanket and Quinn's point is if it's not there, let's not throw it. Well, if it's got to be there, then he's not going to get as many looks. I will say, isn't that the beauty of McClellan? That's, that's part of the appeal, right? Is, is on a 50 50, he makes you right because it's not 50 50. He's winning. So the point I was trying to make with, with Donchich, and you, you could pick any of it dozen scores or so. It doesn't matter that they know the whole priorities they get to get in the ball. Even if they know it's critical, there are receivers that would fit that bill. I bet you Justin Jefferson appears on the scouting report when you play the Minnesota Vikings. That doesn't matter. It's too important. They can know all they want. He has to get the ball. Now there's nothing wrong picking again the NBA example, nothing wrong with, I don't know, Miles Bridges. That's a good player. Miles Bridges is a very nice player. That cost balance is not worth it anymore. In other words, I can't stop everything that I'm doing and go, I need Miles Bridges to have 25 shots. Otherwise we had a bad night at the office, right? He'll get his, he'll get some. He's a good player. He will, he will make some plays and make it happen for you. But he ain't Luca Donchich, because nobody is, that's an MVP candidate, right? And that's an extreme example, but the same kind of applies here. There's a tier of receiver where it doesn't matter the day, the weather, the, the, the opponent. That dude is getting the football and that's the only thing I'm walking to my offensive coordinator's office that week going, do you have enough for a Tyree kill this week? Because we, we had it. We only had a couple of catches this past week and, and you can see our offense really struggling. Do you have enough in for him this week? Great. I'll see you Sunday. I'm going to be a court. The giants, I'm over talking about Malik neighbors, but I love Malik. Well, you just saw him. Also I just love Malik neighbors. How do you feel about Malik neighbors? I like him a little bit. There was nobody else on that offense that worried you even a little bit, not in Iota. Devin Singletary plowing for five is cute. Go, go get your five, sir. 20 of those and you get to score a touchdown. The rest of the receiving core, it's just jags. If they improve a little bit, they'd be the 80th best receiver in the league and Washington knowing that 16 targets, 10 catches, buck 27 would have been 11 for 135 if he made the nice catch on the sideline to put the game away. They couldn't do anything with him. You're right. I mean, that's, you got, if you got that skill set, it doesn't really matter. You just find a way, but we're going to see if they can continue to scheme it to make it work for Terry MacLaurin. Anytime you can come back and start a segment with Van Halen, we're in a good spot, Devin. Good job. Mitch Tischler is part of JP Finley's belt wave football pot. He does work with monumental sports network. I love having Mitch on when we get a chance to have Mitch on. I had Mitch on recently on the podcast and here we are two weeks into the season Mitch at Mitch underscore Tischler, by the way, on X on Twitter. So what are your big takeaways from the first two games? How good do you feel about this team or how bad do you feel about this team? Well, I wanted to start with you had the right Van Halen with the right lead singer coming in. Yes, I did. David Lee Roth over Sammy Hagar any day of the week. True. Every day of the week and twice on Sunday, especially when we're talking football, I'm excited about about what we've seen so far. I mean, listen, I think that if anyone was being realistic about where this roster was and where the steam was, you're not talking about a team that's necessarily competing to win the NFC East or competing to win the NFC, you know, win multiple playoff games. It's about Jane Daniels development and through two weeks in the season, I think you have to be excited about what we've seen from them both in the pocket and out. I mean, obviously you need him to protect himself a little bit more when he's running the ball, but that two minute drill on Sunday to go down the field and win the game is incredible building blocks for the kid and for the offense to run a 425 yard punt to get in the red zone six times. Of course, he wanted to finish and score touchdowns and I think that development will come when you're in the red zone. Things get sped up and I think he's still developing and learning there. But let's be honest, it didn't punt one time and they racked up 400 plus total yards and you got to feel good about that. No doubt, when you don't punt without a, when you don't turn the ball over and you don't punt in a game, it's hard to really knock anybody offensively. Of course, you can pick apart the red zone stuff in the penalties, but you said something and by the way, you're not the only one that feels this way. So let me, let me say that upfront, but I'm wondering why there's this default through two weeks of the look this season and I believe the season's about Jay, you know, it's more than anything else, but I also believe the season is in play. And I think a lot of people, including many fans don't think that this season is anything but a building block season. It's the NFL Tampa, Minnesota, New Orleans and Seattle are undefeated through two weeks. We've had the biggest underdogs on the board in weeks one and two lose outright at home in the first two weeks. Are we being too premature in kind of burying this season and, and, and, and listening it or describing it is just a building block season? I don't think so because to me, you enter with realistic expectations and I think you can look at the Texans last year, they didn't go in thinking that they were going to turn the team around in one season the way that they did, but they got the right quarterback and if so facto, they made the playoffs and all of a sudden they're turning into a, you know, a world beater over there in the, in the AFC. There's a chance that Jayden Daniels can be that guy, but like you said, we're only two weeks into the season and if you look at the way that Adam Peters and Dan Quinn built this roster, you can tell that they didn't go out and spend big money this offseason. They didn't go after any of the big impact players that potentially would have been out there that they could have signed, that they could have paid a lot of money to. They're looking at this as a long-term build and listen, we had 25 years of terrible ownership and leadership where they would go out and, you know, try and break the bank and win the offseason and do all these different things. It's a breath of fresh air to approach this in a realistic way and in a long-term look. Now that doesn't mean that if your quarterback turns out to be, you know, the next Patrick Mahomes, the next CJ Stroud, you know, the next Josh Allen, whoever he may be, you know, accelerates the timeline, but I think for right now, it's a good way of looking at the building of this team and hoping that Jayden Daniels continues this ascent and continues playing well and proving that he's the guy and if he is, you know, the sky's the limit for any team with a star quarterback. Yeah, I hear you on the roster and I hear you on the approach in the offseason. All of those things are true, but when you get into a season, put it this way, Mitch, if they were to go into Cincinnati Monday night and win, I think the perspective would change quickly as to what this season has in store potentially. I think the building block season 7 and 10 would be just fine as long as Jayden's great and by the way, that would be a good result to the season if we find out that they got the quarterback right. But this league is really strange, man. These happen with that said, I'm not so confident in what I am proposing that we at least be open-minded about after two weeks because the defense has been just alarmingly awful. I wasn't expecting it were you? I was not expecting the secondary to be particularly good, but I thought that the pressure up front and the creativeness that Joe, Jr., and Dan Quinn approach a defensive style with could help maybe mask some of those issues, but the issue is to me, start up front. The fact that you're not getting pressure from two of your top three highest-paid players are not able to get to the quarterback. They're not able to be disruptive in the run game is a big issue. That's allowing the fact that also your defense events aren't able to get to the quarterback are allowing teams to double Dironne, Dironne Payne, and John Allen there in the middle. The secondary issues are real if this coaching staff went into the season thinking that a manual Forbes and veteran thinkers were going to be a lockdown answer and they were going to be equal to some of the guys that they had in Dallas. I think that's a little bit short-sighted. I expected that this defense was going to struggle, I'm surprised with the way that they're struggling. Yeah, I thought like you did that certainly corner was an issue and who was going to be the pass rusher on this team, but I guess I was kind of leaning on, they've got Dan Quinn, they've got Joe Witt, they've added, they've essentially changed the defense personnel wise by two-thirds in terms of the contributors, and last year was really kind of sabotaged and doomed before it started, and I just was expecting something different. And it's early, we might still get something different. Alright, let's go back to the offensive side of the ball. When we get to the end of these 17 weeks, and you sound like you're bullish so far on Jaden Daniels as am I, what are we going to say about this team offensively? Were they a versatile, multi-dimensional team pass to run? Were they run heavy, did they rely on, you know, quick game too much? What do you see in terms of how this will play out offensively for the season? Yeah, I mean, listen, I think when you look at Dan Quinn as a head coach, you're hoping that he evolved from his time when he was in Atlanta, the same way that you're hoping that Cliff Kingsbury has evolved since his time in Arizona, because those Arizona offenses were too reliant on quick game, and were too reliant around balls around the line of scrimmage and getting the ball out quickly. And certainly that's something that you want to do early on with your, you know, rookie quarterback, but you want to see the offense continue to build. And you know, as we look at some of these, you know, little quick screens to the wide receivers, you also see, you know, their lead blocker kind of taking the block and going down field and maybe looking for some deep shots there. If this offense doesn't continue to evolve and start looking a little bit further down field and stretching the field vertically a little bit more, you're going to become too predictable and you're going to have too many people in the box to become comfortable running the ball. You're going to have too many people around the line of scrimmage to be comfortable throwing those short passes. So I think it, you know, as much as we talk about it being about Jayden kind of learning and understanding what he needs to do, I think it's also about seeing and hoping that Cliff Kingsbury is able to, you know, evolve from where he was in Arizona and ultimately having Brian Robinson and Austin Echler, both in the run and the pass game, I think will go a long way because those two have been a pretty dynamic go through two weeks and I'm impressed with the way that B-Rob is run. And for Echler, the way that he's worked in pass pro as well as kind of those middle screens that I think two straight weeks now, he's had a third in long conversions on those. So at the end of the season, I'm hoping that we can talk about the evolution of this offense and how we've seen it grow from week one to week 17 and then as you start looking towards years in the future, other ways in which it can grow and keep evolving and keep expanding downfield. You know, one of the things that I think everybody talked about heading into this season was in terms of potential weaknesses was the offensive line. How do you think it's performed in the first two games? I think to me, I've been breaking up the offensive line between the interior guys and the outside guys and I've liked a lot what I've seen from the interior, but all star penalties from last week are unacceptable and need to be changed and need to be fixed. You can't continue to have that, but I do think part of that comes from having a rookie quarterback and getting the cadence consistently correct as well as the guys kind of understanding how Jaden is going to call, make the calls at the line of scrimmage. They also ran for 200 plus yards and the Rob ran for 60 yards a carry last week, so you can't really crush the offensive line too much. To me, I think the issue is going to be right tackle or has been right tackle and will continue to be. It's not that these guys are getting beat particularly often. The problem is with Andrew Wiley in particular that when he does get beat, he gets beat so clean badly, so quick to the quarterback that he gives Jaden Daniels no chance and I like what Cliff has done because a lot of times you see Echler or one of the tight ends kind of lined up next to Wiley helping him out as a tackle. When you have help on the outside, your one job is to not get beat on the inside and in week one against the Bucks, it happened on at least two occasions, maybe three, and last week against the Giants we saw it as well, so I think that's something that needs to change and I think as they become more comfortable with Brandon Coleman on the left side and Brandon Coleman understands the NFL game a little bit better. We might see Cornelius Likka start working in a little on the right side as well, but again, I think these are kind of the steps that this team can take to improve on the offensive line and as a whole. Mitch Tischler joining us here courtesy of our Beck QL guest hotline, so other than Terry and right now maybe Zach Hertz, is there anybody in the past catching group that you think is about to emerge and I know what Terry's numbers are, we've talked ad nauseam about them this week, but still relying on Terry to be their number one wide out threat. Who comes next? Well, it's funny because week one, everyone was complaining that Terry didn't get the ball and I was loud amongst them that Terry didn't get the ball until three minutes left in the third quarter and now, you know, week two against the Giants he gets four catches for eight yards at one point or something like that. Yeah. I'm hoping Noah Brown is that guy that emerges. I think Echler has been an important part of this past game because he's so good in past pro and then also has the wiggle and the speed and the strength to make big plays there, but Noah Brown is the guy that I'm keeping my eye on. Obviously, he and Jayden have a little bit of connection. We saw it with the three catches for almost 60 yards last week and ultimately, if they're able to have a number two receiver kind of emerge and even be a reliable target, that will only help out Terry because right now, on the outside, you saw it in Tampa, we saw it against the Giants, teams are rolling coverage over to Terry because there's no other threat on the field to go deep at all. And if Noah Brown can continue to find himself open and, you know, use his good hands and his body to make these catches and be a consistent target, that's going to help out this offense a lot. Who's performance in the first two weeks do you think has been underrated? I don't know how much you guys have talked about Benjamin St. Juice last week against the Giants, but, you know, he deserved a fair amount of criticism for some for a couple plays against Tampa, but he also almost had that great diving interception against him as well against against the Giants. You know, Malik neighbors production went down when they started kind of moving BSJ around with him a little bit and he was able to punch the ball out and get a turnover. The corners are an issue. There's no question and Benjamin St. Juice certainly has his fault, but he, as far as the to stay and quin Joe with defense goes, he's done, he's done pretty much what they've asked of them. Even when you look back at their years in Dallas and all the gaudy interception numbers, those guys also gave up a lot of yards because they asked their corners to cover one on one in press coverage, you know, with little safety help quite often. That's a lot to ask of a corner, especially guys like the manual forums and Benjamin St. Juice who haven't particularly proven that they are good at that role. So the fact that we've seen kind of some growth from them and, you know, a couple of nice plays, I think, I think speaks well and hopefully he can continue ascending. I don't know the answer to this. It just seems to me in the first two games, they've played a lot more man than zone. Do you know if that's true? Yeah, I mean, I think that's what Joe Witt and Dan Quinn want to do is we saw it in training camp. We saw it, you know, when the commanders were playing the Cowboys, you know, the past couple of years, they like to put those corners in press coverage. I mean, think back to a couple of years ago with, with, uh, Terry McClellan against, uh, Trayvon Diggs. I think it was a game at FedEx Field. Terry had, you know, four catches for a hundred yards and two touchdowns or something that he kind of burned Trayvon up and down the field. And, you know, the next couple of times they played, Diggs got the best of them, but those corners in the cowboy and the old Cowboys in this defense that they're playing in now are going to give up some big plays. The coaching staff is okay with giving up big plays if they can make some big plays as well and get some turnovers. So, um, I think we're going to see them continue to play a lot of men, continue to play single high safety, continue to try and find a way to bring pressure to the quarterback and it's going to be incumbent on the guys that are out there to step up and, and make, get interceptions, make big plays, get turnovers when they can. If I told you that they either won Monday night or they were very close to winning on Monday night, how did it happen? They ran the, not out of the football and kept the ball out of, uh, Joe Barrow fans. I mean, listen, Joe Barrow has not been particularly, he hasn't been the Joe Barrow that we think of when we think of him. And, you know, there are other issues going on behind the scenes in, in, uh, Cincinnati contracts and all those different things that are happening. I don't think, I don't, I don't, I'm not predicting that they go out and win, but I don't know that I'd be entirely shocked, uh, if they did the Bengals have been poor in, uh, the month of September, um, the past couple of years, it's been, they've been a team has continued to grow, but man, I don't know how they're going to stop this passing offense. I don't know how they're going to slow down, uh, slow down that, that Bengals team. Yeah. Uh, if there's a chance to T Higgins, right, Denton is back for Monday night. Yeah. I mean, uh, across the board, they have weapons and, and forget the receivers and the, who everyone knows, they also have a pair of running backs who do a pretty good job of catching the ball out of the backfield. As we know in Washington, linebacker play has been an issue. Hopefully this Frankie Louvoo and, uh, and Bobby Wagner duo is able to, uh, slow those guys down a little bit, but there's a lot to be nervous about, uh, when the defense is on the field come Monday night. Great job. Appreciate it. Hope you're well talked soon. Absolutely. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Mitch Tischler, everybody. Plug in a Hyundai EV and the extraordinary happens. It's not just the ultra fast charging capability in long range in the Ionic 5 and Ionic 6 or the adventure seeking spirit of the Kona electric or the groundbreaking 601 horsepower Ionic 5N and it's not just the comfort in knowing that every Hyundai EV is backed by a 10 year, 100,000 mile limited electric battery warranty. Hyundai's EVs transform a low hum into a loud adventure. They bring color to your journey and turn energy into main character energy. So forget everything you thought you knew about EVs and turn the extraordinary into something true. Electrifying. There's joy in every journey. 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