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G&D Get Ready For Cincy, Which Commanders Star Are You Most Confident In?

9.19.24 Hour 1

1:00- We turn the table towards Cincinnati as G&D gets ready for the big Monday night showdown, and they'll be in attendance!

19:00- As far as Terry McLaurin, Daron Payne, and Jonathan Allen goes, which star do you have the most confidence in?

Broadcast on:: 19 Sep 2024
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Limited battery warranty covers defects and materials for 10 years or 100,000 miles which ever occurs first. Sea owners manual for complete warranty details and limitations. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call 562-314-6434 details. Good Thursday afternoon on Grant and Danny September 19th, 2024. We are taking you all the way up to 6.30 here on the fan. We are giving away tickets at 4 o'clock ahead of the Beltway Blitz to the HFS level over at Nat's Park on Saturday. And at 6 o'clock before we say goodbye, we've got tickets to the CAPS 50 Fest. Ladies and gentlemen, Danny Ruye. Let's all make a pact that the Nationals don't play the Mets for a little while. Let's just not do that anymore. That wasn't much fun, was it? No, but what was fun? The Fredericksburg Nationals. Hey, here we go. One, the Carolina League's single-lay championship last night. Behind Travis Secura on the mound. Oh, he's nasty. Who is going to be the future ace of the Washington Nationals? I have decided it. You can put that one. Yeah, put that one in pen. Wait, whoa, dude, that's a, he's a big leaguer. He's going to be, you're going to be part of the rotation. This is what a number one looks like. The future ace of the Washington Nationals? Secura is that dude. Five innings, one hits, no walks, nine strikeouts last night. He is by far their most impressive farm hand. And look, they got some decent arms in the system. Arlene Susana, who they got in the one. Soto deal throws 102 miles an hour at a nice little year. Travis Secura is different. He's 20. This is his first pro season. They drafted him in the third round last year. 20 starts this year, a 2.3 ERA. He punched out 130 batters and 85 innings. He is awesome. He throws upper 90s. Actually, in high school, touched 100. He actually threw a little harder in high school than he did this year. A little more pitchability. But he also added a splitter I was talking about recently. Kind of that Paul Skeen Splinker thing. He is awesome. Last night he was great. But the Fred Nats, man, down 95 champions. Yeah. How about a championship? Excited for them. Listen, people can roll their eyes. Totally fine. It's not only baseball. So, you know, you never know who's committed. I remember years ago, George Steinbrenner used to stack the Staten Island Yankees, for example, with better prospects. So we could go watch them, you know, and like they would win more games than everyone else. So it's like, yeah, so what would we do? First time in 10 years, they won the title at that level. But that's my point. I'm just saying it's that there was nothing wrong with that. At a minimum, you have to acknowledge there's something bad that took place there, right? It's good for those kids. Yeah. When they didn't have good prospects, they didn't win the championship in single A. And now they have good prospects. And they did. That's right. Paul Park and a lot of friends and family that I know go to those games down in the King George area. So happy for the Fredericksburg National. I don't want to get too deep into the woods, into the weeds on this, but is there any correlation in the minor league system when teams down there win championships? And does it lead to success with their affiliated big league clubs eventually? And that that's kind of along the lines of what you were looting today. I just thought on a map. I don't think it's like direct, but you'd rather win games at the minor league level than lose them because you learn how to win and generally talent wins. The Tampa Bay Rays, as an example, have been the best team at the minor leagues in terms of win percentage the last few years. They actually won championships at almost every single level for a couple of straight seasons, not coincidentally prior to this year, they were a playoff team every year at the big league level. So I would say there is a bit of a correlation, sure. Like, I don't think it's one to one. What's important though is who are the players that are doing it? And last night's Accoras on the Mount, they'll be in DC in two years, pitching for the big club at 22 years old. Yes. I think that's the case. If you look at, for example, the Hershey Bears, when in every Calder Cup, there is now pretty much. It doesn't automatically mean, okay, now that once this class graduates, they'll be winning Stanley Cups for the capitals. It's not exactly one to one, right? But who's doing it? Totally. AK, one of your now top three prospects, according to whoever you ask in Travis to Cora Shoving. That matters. If you want more on the Fred Nats title or the Nats minor league system, you're going to have to go listen to bust and lose baseball tomorrow when our new pod drops. So make sure you grab that in the morning. But we are on to Cincinnati, literally and figuratively as a show. Have you begun any of your preparations? You're packing. My wife said, today, are you going to do any packing in advance? They didn't do the thing you always do. The thing you always do. Pack it midnight and then you fly out at seven a.m. And that is exactly what I'm going to do. We're going to be doing that. I wouldn't have it any other way. I had my first cursory glance at where we are in the laundry cycle. Okay. Right. Where I'm going. What's not what's not going to be available to me at all, like certain underwear that won't be there, socks. I know are just long gone. There's no chance they come back by Saturday evening or even Sunday morning. So you know, I'm just trying to make my evaluations in that regard. What are you going to wear to the game? Do you have any team apparel that you would wear to the game? No, nothing that says the stupid name on it, but it could say red skins or just be the colors of the team. I suppose, yeah. I think I'm going with neutral colors because I just, I haven't worn team gear in many, many years. I'm probably going burgundy and soul shirt from one of six up in the fan shop. That's pretty good. I'll probably do that. Actually. That's not a bad idea. Yeah. We're winning off the field. I've got one of those. Yeah, we'll go to those. Burgundy and gold winning off the field. I do that. That might be my play because that is not a team issued item or like press box Paulson. I'm a neutral colors guy at games. Sure. Sure. You can't be. Raw Ryan. Well, but you could take press box Paulson out of the press box, but you can't take him out of the polls. Well, that's fine. I see that. Even if you sit him in the crowd, he's still going to be a press box. Are you whooping holiday? Are you like it? Let's, let's say first play little play action. Now that's, that's where we don't see that much right here, but that's where the quarterback would fake the ball to the running back to help enhance the passing game. I guess it's not something that we're doing much and then they throw a screen to the left. No. Behind the line. No, in this case, this is a term of corn receiver for the team. I was only got 39 yards through two games. Kind of like. Kerry's catching it. Yeah. He's been acting like a minus two. No, he's been acting kind of like a fullback, like an Alex Armis type perceiving, this is a little stutter. Go. This is what we, this is a deep ball. Sales over his head by six. No. Okay. Daniels throws it. Nest time. Terry McCorn catches it. And, and, and, and there's room in front of him to run, and he does run and he runs into the end zone. First play of the game. It's dialed up. Touchdown. Your reaction is 70 yards to the crib, 70 yards to the residence. So I am punching you in the ribs. I'm screaming. I'm screaming. Oh, yeah. We're getting loud. What's that press box, Paulson? That's fan. Paulson. Well, I mean, we like that guy. Folks at Condoria and Murad are taking us on the road. Yeah. They don't want us to be squares. Oh, I see. Just sitting there on our hands. We got to give the fellows a good time. So to me, like press, press box, Paulson immediately has a tweet ready. Like good, look here. Good dial up from Kingsbury. Oh, the Tweedle. Great throw. The Tweedle come. I will say though, and people need to prepare for this in advance. I'm at the game. Yeah. I'm doing it on a phone without my laptop. Yeah. There will be way less tweetage. And what kind of major observations am I going to make? If I see an open receiver, you know, Luke McCaffrey, you guys wouldn't know this based on his targets or catches. But he is the third most open receiver in terms of separation score in football. Two weeks, yeah. The first couple of weeks of the season. You know, if I see him running free, maybe that's an observation we'll make. If I see Jaden Daniels rip off a 57 yard run, I'm going to tell you about 2012 and how fun that was and haven't seen anything like that around here in a long time. If I see Daniels drop a dime for a touchdown, we'll break it down a little bit, but there's just going to be less ability for me to really dig in in the lab. I'm not going to have all my notes. I'm not going to have my special little stack packets that I normally work with. I can't tell you the last time had someone had a 75 yard touchdown catch. All that stuff's not going to be available to me. My fingertips. So it's just going to be a little bit of a different mode for me. A different vibe, which are you comfortable with that? It's not my preference, but what I like is hanging out with good people. I get what you're saying. Fellowship and camaraderie, and I like being on the road. Would I prefer to, am I most in my own habitat with a dress shirt and khakis sitting in the press box? I am. Yes. No doubt about it. But am I going to enjoy myself punching Danny Ruay in the ribs every time. There's going to be so many rib punches, by the way, the chains are like one of those like a quarterback flat jacket things will be questionable for next week with a rib. My oblique is in danger. Is there a cracked rib or what does Chris Sims get like he went to the hospital with like a spleen thing from getting hit so hard in the ribs? Maybe I love a spleen thing. I think that's right. Yeah. I don't want you to have a spleen thing, but yeah. Please don't give me a spleen thing. That sounds terrible. It's not my, it's not my idea. It's just, you know, we don't know what's going to happen. Maybe Jaden Daniels lights it up. We don't know. Thursday night football tonight gets week three started Patriots jets on Amazon Prime Time 8 15 kick in the Big Apple. About this. I didn't realize this. This is the Jets home opener tonight because they were on the road in week one. Yep. We saw that Monday night football game in San Clara week two. They were at the Titans in Nashville. So the Jets for the first time since Aaron Rodgers ruptured as Achilles in week one after running out with the flag in the Meadowlands last year are back on that turf for game number three against a Patriots team that has been way better than advertised. They beat the Bengals as an outright underdog, the biggest underdog in week one in all of football. And then last week they took the Seahawks to overtime. They could be to an O coming to this game. So actually I'm not going to bet this game at all. I think it's going to be low total, which we're seeing. It's not going to be a lot of the Patriots. If that's the case. There's going to be a lot of yards. There's no reason to hammer overs on stats and I think it's going to be kind of a field goal type game. It's going to be an ugly Thursday night game. It's going to feel like a 2011 AFCs type match up. You know what I mean? Like Rex Ryan looking for snacks, ground and pound type deal. But yeah, the Patriots want to play that way. They want you to not be able to air it out. If we have a pushing contest, we'll take our chances. That's kind of what they're they're dragged people down to their level. If you're the Patriots and you lose tight tonight, your defense plays really well. It's carbon copy of the first two games, right? But let's say you lose 17, 13, 20 to 17, something like that. And it looks a lot like it did last week in terms of you ran the ball well. You played defense. You just weren't explosive enough in the passing game. At what point does your Drake made plan start to shift a little bit? There was a report this week that he's up to 30% first team reps in practices. It's all well and good. If their original plan was let's sit him for half a season, we got Jacobi Brissette. We're going to be terrible. We don't want him to play behind this dreadful offensive line. But you know, like I know, you can get impatient when you feel like you're actually not that far away. And if they keep stringing games together, where their defense is good enough that they're in games and they're basically a team that if they made one or two more plays in the passing game, they might be able to win. Then the guy who was your best quarterback in the preseason might become more and more interesting. It's a bit of a simpleton, as many people know, and I'm mocked routinely for and I'll take it. I'll wear that. Here's I got some pretty good if thins, pretty good axioms and rules that sort of govern my thought process. Here it is. The only reason I'm not playing Drake May is because I thought my evaluation was that team is so terrible, right? I'm going coming into the season, you're going to get him decapitated. You're going to get his brains bashed in. You know, we'll have a David Carr situation. He'll never make it because he'll be destroyed because this roster stinks. That was my pre that's why I wasn't going to play Drake May right away. That was my argument for it. They're two games. That's not the case. They're not a disaster. They're not a tire fire. They're not an embarrassment. I don't think they're good. I'm not sitting here telling you that that's the AFC's champion. What I'm saying is I thought they'd be as bad as Carolina or close to it. One of the worst teams in the NFL. They do not look like one of the worst teams in the NFL through two weeks. They're at the bottom of the middle, but they're frisky, they're competitive. As you said, they absolutely could be 2 and 0 and probably should be that therefore the clock is now 60 minute style for me to start playing Drake May. Like I'm not dropping him into into a war zone. I'm not dropping him into a terrible situation where I'll have no chance. I'm dropping him into a competitive team that's not going anywhere this year. The team has definitely been better than expected. The biggest reason though, why he didn't start the year on the field was the offensive line in past protection and that part of it has not been all that good. They rank 29th out of 32 teams in past blocking according to PFF. Only the Rams, Seahawks and Dolphins have done a worse job protecting the quarterback than New England through a couple of games and to Jacobi Brissette's credit, the ball's been out. We know he's a veteran. He's smart. He's a processor. He's 31 years old. He's been in the league dating back to 2016 at this point. So I think you could make the case maybe that he is better for that offensive line than Drake May would be and maybe that's the whole argument. You're not going to hit the explosives. He's averaging like 130 yards a game and half of a touchdown basically through two games, but he has not thrown an interception and he's turning sacks into throwaways basically. So instead of third and 11, you're facing a second and four or something and you're able maybe to pick it up on the ground and get to your 17 points. Now if they're rowing to maybe be a different conversation, but by shocking the bangles the way they did, I don't know, I just think it's interesting. If you're going to be that good defensively and you're going to be able to run the ball, is it worth the volatility of a young quarterback where maybe he'll take some sacks? Maybe he'll make some mistakes, but you might get some good in the passing game too. And this kind of goes along with what we've been talking about with offense and touchdowns and yards and some other things being down. I think teams have kind of decided against the volatility, the explosiveness that's good with the big negative plays that are bad and they're okay with the more middling, you know, less highs and lows on the graph. Like, it's okay if we get to 17 instead of sometimes 24 and sometimes 10, we'd rather average 17 every single week where the guy was more of a known commodity and the Patriots are going that route right now. Yeah, which, you know, sounds good if you're going to, if it's a big concern to you to eke out that sixth or seventh win, which it's not for me, big picture, I just don't play that game. It's also easy to do that when your defense is going to rank fifth the way it's playing. Yeah. And I don't expect them to be fifth in a month, but, you know, again, they deserve credit for what they've done to this point. Tremendous or so. I didn't know what to expect from Drawd Mayo. He's got them playing hard and they all seem to know who they are. They know they're not supposed to be something different. They're supposed to be this kind of, you know, a boring, grounded pound attacking defense, you know, run the ball and not screw us type offense. But to me, that's fine for a little while. Everyone's got their feet wet. Now it's, I drafted this kid third overall for a reason. Let's get the future started time. But if they win this week, which is not crazy, man, they're six point dogs. I don't know that the Jets can be anybody by six right now. Just, I don't really see that. I don't think they have that explosive trait to beat somebody pretty badly. I think if they somehow win tonight, you're just, why would you disrupt this? You'd probably keep riding it. I am jacked up to go to the game though on Monday night. It's going to be a lot of fun. Again, let us know if you're in Cincinnati. We're putting a little list of folks together to check in with when we're out there. You could tweet us at Grand H. Paulson and at Funny Daniel, we'll be broadcasting live on Monday and Tuesday from Indiana. We'll be staying in Kentucky and we're going to the game in Ohio where the Bengals play their home contests. And I think Danny Ruier will even maybe have some food at the stadium with me. I don't think we're doing a tailgate or anything because we're going to rush over when our show ends. We finished the show that we got to go across state lines. So maybe sounds like a possibility. You might get some stadium fair with your pal. Yeah. Are you the kind of guy who's going to like walk around and look for something fun to eat at the risk of missing some football? Or is it just a question like to me, it's a where's the chicken tender basket? How can I get back to my seat? I'm not missing a snap. No, I hear you. Specifically not doing a chicken tender basket. I could see you being a guy who shows back up early second quarter. And you found like the the sandwich that you read about online. No, well, there's there's some of that in you. No, there's 100% that in me. I can't miss football plays. Okay. Like I can do this different than that. Yeah. And that's and that's game for thinning. You show back up and you're like, you won't believe the line at roaming roosters. Right. You're like, yeah, would, you know, there's one register open and four people wanted food. They didn't know what to do. Um, for that, I need, I need fast, but I also need the cool thing. I need, I need the best thing. I can't just do the, we're at the grand slam boring place or the word bengal corner where you have chicken tenders. I can't do that. You will find me at bengal corner. Right. I can't do that. Here's, here's what you got to do. You walk up to the counter. You ask for that souvenir cola and you got to pay for it in that stadium because Arthur Blank a hall of famer in my book. He's going to the ring. I'm not for a reason. That's right. But they say, we'll get, we'll give you this soda for free. If you do a bengal roar and I'll go roar and I'll get, get my food. But if you want a chicken tender basket, I'll bring it to you. Oh, that's nice. Wait in your seat. I'll grab two of them and we'll, uh, we'll enjoy the game together. Daris, I know I can count on you to enjoy a nice chicken tender basket with your pal in Cincinnati. Or are you going to do the Danny bit and go roam the stadium. Oh, whoa, whoa, I actually do get a little size to roam a new stadium that I've never been in before. No, no, it's a lock. We're going to walk the premises when we get there. Right. But I'm saying for food, are you going to prioritize something interesting over football? No, uh, football, football comes priority will be priority in the set instance, especially because my team will be playing. So yeah, football will be the priority, but I will eat a chicken tender basket. Speaking of chicken tender baskets, Daris was blown away by this. I don't think you know this about me yet. So you know what I always do with my chicken tender basket for many, many, many years, put them and eat them quickly. Yes. But what do I eat them with? Catch it. Of course. Do you know what I did on accident about a month ago for the first time? Actually put barbecue sauce on the chicken tenders close. Honey mustard. Yeah. I love it. It is so good. I'm now in on honey mustard on my chicken tenders. I couldn't believe it. He's a chicken tender mark. I never had honey mustard. I know. How is that possible? Me and Daris were at the Nats game the other night. And I'm like, dude, this is incredible. He's like, what? I'm like, this honey mustard. I've been doing it the last two or three times. He's like, what about before that? Never done it. Never done it in my life. Honey mustard on chicken tenders is phenomenal. Really? People should find out about this. I'm telling people right now, they're going to find out as we speak, that's why I'm providing this service. So what I do is I put catch up on one side of the chicken tender basket. That's for the fries. And now honey mustard on the other side for the chicken tendies. If you have not tried this, you will thank me later. I bet you like it. My six-year-old got into the honey mustard game. He's now very excited to dip his eyes, chicken nuggets in there. And even sometimes when we go to get chicken tenders, he said, what's this? We said, honey mustard. He goes, those things don't go together. And we had to explain a lot of times things that you don't think are intuitive, mustard, and then honey. What? Does that make any sense? Of course it does. It's perfect. Well, you know my proclivities and kind of how my brain works with food. So the reason I never tried it, A, it's a sauce and I don't do sauces that I haven't had. So that's number one, but number two. But it's a paradox. How could you ever have had a sauce if you never have one that you never had? Right. But number two, honey is in the title. Not a honey guy. Right. It's very sticky. It's very gross. Comes from bees. I have no interest in honey. Unless my, like, I can't talk or I lost my voice and I'm going to grab some of yours to spray into hot water or something. So the idea of honey just bothers me. So I've always been out on it. Honey mustard. Excellent. Yup. Thought you might like that. That is great information for people. Terry McLorin, John Allen, Deron Payne off to slow starts for the commanders. Who are you most confident still in having a great season? We're going to get into that next right here on Grant and Danny on the fan. Extraordinary happens, it's not just the ultra fast charging capability and long range in the Ionic 5 and Ionic 6 or the adventure seeking spirit of the Kona electric or the groundbreaking 601 horsepower Ionic 5N and it's not just the comfort in knowing that every Hyundai EV is backed by a 10 year, 100,000 mile limited electric battery warranty. Hyundai's EVs transform a low hum into a loud adventure. They bring color to your journey and turn energy into main character energy. 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Sometimes when you have the production they've had other people go into the game saying okay, these two are not going to ruin the game as well so a little bit of both but yeah, we're definitely looking forward to them for this week and really making their impact and they want that too. At Stan Quinn talking about Duran Payne and John Allen on the interior and what has been a quiet statistical start to their seasons. Welcome back, Grant and Danny on the fan. The commanders are one and a one and they're going to Sensi for Monday Night Football. It stands to reason that the three biggest stars on the team who just by way of the numbers have not started fast are going to bounce back and it's more likely I'd say that all three have really good years than don't but if you were to just put your money on one of those guys to still have a monster season still put up their normal numbers or maybe even better who might that be Duran Payne, John Allen or Terry McClorne. Those are the three high paid perceived best players on this team and we'll open up the phones on this at 800-636-1067 800-636-1067. My answer is John Allen, the best track record, the most consistent of all three of these players. So the years when we look at you, you only have five and a half sacks, what do you mean consistent? You look at his pressure percentages, you look at the percentage of times he beats his guy, you look at the tackles for loss, you look at quarterback hits, all of the knockdowns, all those things he had years like before he broke out for that nine sack season where the year before he was just as good in terms of those metrics, I just listed and we said it then. If you replay every one of those plays again and you gave me those same ancillary metrics that sort of tell you how someone's doing as a pass rusher, he would have had nine sacks and the next year he did because the regression happened. To me, he's been their most consistent defender, I don't expect a super ridiculous, incredible year. I don't think that's in anybody's cards here among this group of three, but John Allen to me has been so consistent and he's at way more mistackled than he's ever had. That stuff is coming. He'll normalize. He's going to be the best. First thing I want to do is talk about the 2D tackles. I think that they were pretty good against the Giants in a way that maybe they haven't gotten credit for. There is now some film I think circulating on Twitter that I'm sure a lot of our social media oriented listeners have seen where those guys were getting doubled and chipped a whole lot. Obviously. I don't think that is because the Giants were scared of them as much as it is because that's what happens now with your best pass rusher. It so happens in this organization that those guys are on the inside and not the outside, but also teams don't want the interior pass rushers generally to be the difference maker on a play because they'll kill a play because the quarterback sees him coming and is forced off his mark and moves him around in the pocket. So I just think it's what you see all over the league generally is we're doubling we're chipping these interior rushers and we're making the guys off the edge who theoretically it takes longer to get home beat us right. So I actually thought the Giants game was okay. If you look at the numbers so far this season as a total pressures count the Ron Payne through two games has seven John Allen has five, which is not terrible. Now here's the issue. They've combined to hit the quarterback two times. John Allen has both of those hits on the QB. Pain does not yet have one. All seven of his pressures have just been hurries, but I actually think pain has been more impactful oddly. And the reason I say that is on both of Cleveland Farrell sacks is the only guy on the team by the way with a sack at this point. On both of those plays the Ron Payne has made the play and Farrell has just kind of broken out his mop and and done some sweeping up at the end of the snap and he gets the sack on the stat sheet, but I would essentially give pain to plays on sacks that he won. Allen, I don't think has any of those yet, but that all said, I'm not sure that they've been as invisible as people think, but they have not made the loud plays that are noticeable to people. So that's number one. On McClellan, I'd say I'm a little bit more concerned and when I use the word concerned Andy, what I reference is not just Terry, but it is usage and it is the style of this offense. It's a little too early to make big conclusions, but I think generally the wide receiver will be less significant in this offense than the tight ends and the running backs in a way that's even a bigger discrepancy than I anticipated because you and I both suggested this is what was going to happen. And that was why they were comfortable trading. John Dotson, but if you just look at the numbers on, you know, target share and percentages and how they involved the receivers, they are throwing the ball to receivers behind the line of scrimmage at a rate that is massive compared to the rest of the league. That's not Terry's game, really. I mean, he's not going to turn those plays into big gains. 38% of their wide receiver targets have come behind the line of scrimmage. The highest rate in the NFL, the league average is 11%. That's the offense right now. It'll change some, but I don't feel as good about McClellan having a big year as I do those other guys. So I'm going to say pain will be my answer based on the fact that I think you could easily have one, one and a half, two sacks as it is that Farrell has got. The McClellan case is interesting. So we talked about this yesterday, why offense and really passing totals are dramatically down here over the last couple of seasons and the start of this year, really especially. And there's a, there are a bunch of answers from a chlorine as well. One of them, and this is not my favorite part about this, because I love the guy. Always ever been as awesome, but there are a handful of receivers who, if you were the only good option on your receiving core, we'll still put up numbers. Guys like Cooper cup, we saw Malik neighbors, Tevante Adams, you know, go up and down the list of some of the best players, Justin Jefferson, without a great number two receiver opposite him. The million guys that are excellent, then there's kind of another tier where if it's not 72 and sunny, don't expect that CD lamb, 1700 yard season, even if he's the only good receiving option week to week. So McClellan's kind of below that tier. Then you add in the offense, the design, as you said, how easy it is for defenses to go. All right. That's where 17 is probably going to be. Or even if he lines up and goes in motion one time, we can still key on him. It's pretty easy. There's not much else there. I just don't see that breakout happening. Now I don't think that he ends up on the pace that he's on, which is 340 yards or something paltry and ridiculous, but I don't think that 1100 yard seven touchdown season is coming either. You know, old McClellan is 28, 29, 29, he is and he just turned 29. It's not like he's about to be 30, but he's not a kid, you know, and even for his experience in the league, he was kind of an older rookies. He's always a couple of years older than I think of him as if that makes sense. I don't plan on disrespecting Terry McClellan, who I think is one of the great ambassadors of sport in this town and has been one of the true professionals and awesome players in this city for a long, long time, but I do think it is okay to, you know, if you can't handle this, I'm just going to ask you to put your big boy pants on and grow up a little bit to ask a question, which is like where is he right now among the best receivers in the league? Where would you rank him when they paid him? We talked about him being a fringe top 15 wide receiver. I would not say that right now, is that because of how they use him? Maybe. Is that because of like opportunity possibly, but it's multiple offenses, multiple schemes last year in just the two weeks now, but you have seen a decline in some of the explosive metrics. Now, I also think the conversation could be different. If I could say this, if when he was running wide open on the first play, the second half in Tampa, if Daniels doesn't overthrow him, he's got a 70 yard touchdown on his resume and his numbers stack up pretty favorably with a lot of other guys. There was another play in that Tampa game where he ran like a deep post in the middle of the field and he was behind everybody wide open and Daniels either didn't see him or didn't want to push it, you know, and ended up scrambling on the play, pulled the ball down and ran. If you hit on that, maybe he had 170 yards or something against the buck, we're talking about has Terry ascended to top five. I mean, so I get it. I'm not saying the plays won't be there occasionally, but I just have, I don't know that I've ever seen like I don't think you could throw the ball to Jamar chase four times and he could have eight yards. I don't think you could have a four catch Justin Jefferson game where he has eight yards and through four catches this past week with a minus two and a minus three in there, but Lauren was at eight yards. So if it sounds negative, that that's not my goal, but I think it's just a bear thing to ask. Like I'll go through it with you. Yeah. You're not putting them up there with Lamb and Hill and Chase and Jefferson and Brown, right? Those are the top guys. The next year of like a Monra St. Brown, Garrett Wilson, Chris Alave, Devonta Adams, those guys are above them too. Yeah. What about the next group down? Like a Pukanakua, Michael Pittman, Marvin Harrison, Jr, Malik neighbors, Mike Evans, like I would say they're all better than that. Then you start going, you know, Nico Collins and I'll take Collins, Drake London, DK Metcalf, Deebo Samuel, Devonta Smith is maybe in that conversation, but I haven't mentioned Koopa Cup yet. I always struggle with Koopa Cup's name. Koopa, for some reason, I say Koopa a lot. If I'm doing it quickly. Yeah. I don't know what. Koopa Cup, Koopa Jalen Waddle, I would take Terry over Stefan Diggs right now, probably. I think they're similar. Diggs is a little bit older as well. DJ Moore, I would take over him. What about Brandon Ayuk or Terry? Ayuk. I agree. I mentioned neighbors. What about Zaflowers or Terry? Terry. I think I would go flowers probably. Lidlier, Terry, that's close. Similar T Higgins or Terry Higgins, Rishi Rice or Terry Rice, George Pickens or Terry. Terry. I think I would go Pickens, but it's nice to be there. God. Winter, Terry. Terry. Amari Cooper. I mean, so basically we're saying that's the tear. That's the tear. That's now top 30. That's upper 20s. That's different than a couple of years ago. And we're going, this is a top 15 receiver. Part of it is there's some really good young guys that have joined the league. Part of it is just the way we view him is different because it hasn't been as explosive or productive. But we're now at top 30-ish, top 25-ish maybe. That's a different thing. It's a different conversation. And it also, and again, I want to reiterate, it sounds like this is a negative Terry thing. This is the same conversation we used to have about Ryan Carrigan, where, Terry McCorn's not the problem. Ryan Carrigan is not the problem. I'm sorry. He's not von Miller in his prime. I'm sorry this guy that's going to set the franchise record for sacks is not Aaron Donald the defensive player of the year. I'd like to have a couple more players as good as Terry McCorn, and I'll figure it out. Right? Like he's better at his position than 97 top my head percent of the roster is it theirs? Maybe it's Cosme, Alan Payne. Everybody else, he's competing where he should be. He could also, by the way, if they wanted to get seven or eight grabs and go for 100 to 125 yards every single week, because I mean, he is the epitome of consistent and he's not going to, the players are there to be made, he's going to make. He will catch the football. He's not going to drop it. He's not, you know, he's going to do the thing that he's supposed to do. I don't think he's going to create a whole lot off script, so to speak. He's not going to separate a ton, but he'll make the contested catch. He'll get you what's there generally. That's up to them now to get them to six for 87 for 100 instead of five for 26 or whatever this last couple of weeks has been on average, but let's open up the phones. The question for you guys, MacLaurin, Alan Payne, slow statistical starts, only two games in. We feel like all three of these guys are going to pick it up, but if you were going to put money down today on one of them having a huge season still, who would it be? We're granting Danny on the fan. [silence] Try to move Terry around into different spots, which is important because he has that play making abilities who want to find the spots to go. As we're going just into our second full lap together, there'll be more ops for him than we need them to be. What you don't want to do is force the ones that aren't there and make sure even though in a certain route he may be the primary read, but if that one's taken away that you don't force that one and go to somewhere else, I really respect that about Jaden of making good processing decisions. Sometimes you have a play design that's going to go to one place and it's not there, so the worst thing you could do is try to force something in that's not there, so I'm pleased that we're not doing that. Do we want to get them involved, man? You bet in the biggest way, and so the catch and run opportunities, I thought we had one or two chances that we didn't go as way. When we had a penalty on that I thought on a trap pass, I think it might have been down the field on a slant that was going to be a big place that one doesn't count as one of the targets to go. Stan Quinn talking about Terry McLaurin today. Welcome back, Grant and Danny on the fan. I actually want to go back to starting next hour maybe and drill down on this idea that they don't want to force the ball to McLaurin, despite Quinn acknowledging he's their best playmaker in the passing game. Is that good logic? Would you rather Daniel's just kind of read things out and get the ball to somewhere else? Or should there be more of an emphasis on even if it means occasionally taking a risk, like pushing the ball down the field to McLaurin? The difference between him and the D tackles is he is completely dependent upon a lot of things. Pass Pro, the quarterback seeing him, finding him, throwing it to him, all those things, and there's just no denying Danny that part of the issue he's had recently, I don't mean these two weeks specifically, but really throughout his whole career is quarterback play. And we talk about this on this show all the time, but he has never one time in his entire career had a legit passing quarterback throwing him the football. And the hope is that's about to happen with him and Jayden Daniels getting on the same page as we go this year. And you hope that he's still the same guy that could take advantage of a couple years ago when he was the fastest guy in the room and had all the explosion and he's saddled with garbage at that position. You know, you see, you saw this with Alan Robinson, right, who was just with some of the worst quarterback he could possibly fathom. And then when he finally got to the great place, he no longer had his fastball. I'm hoping that's not the case with McLaurin. Remember, since that foot injury at the start of last year that kind of hampered him a little bit, I don't know that he's been as explosive of the same guy. He could still get it done. He's still good. But I don't know. I don't know if it's by the time that they're ready to wide open this offense and modernize it and have Daniel slinging around that McLaurin will still be able to get that huge season that we've all been waiting for. It was great to hear Quinn talk about the importance this week that they moved McLaurin around and that they needed to do more of that. Yeah. It's almost like he's reading the press clippings a little bit on some of the issues people had with week one. Danny's got John Allen. I'm going with the Ron Payne. The question for you of the big three stars that make the big money, Alan Payne, McLaurin, who are you most confident in having a huge year still despite slow starts? Shane's in Virginia on Grant and Danny. What's up, Shane? Amanda. Great. How are y'all doing today? Good. Simple. Terry's always been a number two receiver since he's been in this league. Unfortunately, he just had to be a number one here for the commanders. He's a solid number two. That's what he is. And that's what he's going to be. Unfortunately, he has no quarterback like you said, but it's got to be Payne. Payne, I think right now is I got something to prove. I think he's been a second fiddle for John's been Allen since he's been here. And I actually think he's going to be have a better year than Alan this year, but it's got to be. You're on pain. I think he's got an explosive year. He's got a step. All three guys got a step up. Let's tell it what it is. Or by the end of the trade they're done, they're all going to be out of here. That's what I was going to ask you guys a question. Now, look, now, say if this the state of the world completely fall off, do we trade? Is Terry trade bait now? I just want to be having that big of an decline. No, I don't think so because I don't think they have the ability at that position to risk losing what he means to the receiver room. John Dotson's one thing. He's never really shown the ability to consistently get open and make plays. McClellan's excellent. He's proven it over many, many years. He's a great football player. You say he's a two. I don't get into the Izzy a one Izzy a two thing. I think that is his Joe Flacco elite stuff like it. It's a moving target weird argument because it's a it's what would be the art term of something that isn't, you know, tangible or actually there. Depressionism? No, not that artsy. I'll think of the word in a second, but when it is, it's not a real thing, you know, it's it's not actual. What it's actual is where does he rank at one point? I think it's easy to kind of make the point this way. We used to say he's top 15. Do you still now? I think that's a hard argument to make at this point. Oh, I would tend to agree again, and a lot of that's based on production and some of that's not necessarily his fault, but some of it is, right? I mean, there's there's a hand in it. The thing I was the exercise I always try to do, it's impossible to prove him where the other. So if you've swapped right now, CD lamb was here and term of corn was there when he put up 1700 yards and double digit touchdowns, like CD lamb did last year. Do you think so? I don't. And I think lamb would have better numbers than the corn did here in the same office. I don't think anybody would argue he's that. I mean, that's a top five wide or zero, but, but, but you, but that's the exercise. I'm going, okay, let's, let's, let's, let's do a body swap. Let's do that Jason Bateman and Ryan Reynolds movie where we just change places and see what happens. You have to go to the fountain and go to the bathroom or something. I think that's pretty much what happens. Yeah. David and Bethesda. You're on Grant and Danny. Hello, David. Hey general, Grant and Danny commando, but I think it's, it's got to be Terry, Terry McLaurin. When you look at Alan, he just looks disgruntled. He's got his money. I don't see him stepping his game up again, pain possibly, but Terry really is our best receiver. Jayden Daniels has to find a way to get him a ball and he's open a lot. So that's the point. You drilled down on it. Sorry to cut you off. I thought you were done there. But yes, he has opened a ton. There's no doubt about that. And on the two plays specifically down the field where he's gotten behind everybody, he's been targeted once and overthrown and then not targeted on another of those opportunities. If you hit on a third of those as the year goes on, the numbers look very, very. Yes. And my guess is they're going to Daniel stores a beautiful deep ball. I think he hits that first play of the second half to Tampa on the sideline that he missed. Right 75% of the time, maybe that's too high, but you know, 60% of the time as the year goes on, more often than not, he's going to hit that, but he said you've got to get him the ball. They did a good job at making sure they threw him the RPOs and the screens and the line of scrimmage stuff that they can control this week, but you heard Quinn say, I don't want to force the ball to him. I don't think we should just be trying to involve him to do it. We got to read things out. Do we agree with that? Let's get into that next. What's more on, if you think McClorne or one of the details ends up breaking out, you're listening to Grant and Danny. Plug in a Hyundai EV and the extraordinary happens. 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