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Full Show: Monday, September 16th, 2024
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They are rare around these parts. So enjoy 'em when you've got 'em. It's a victory Monday on GND. We got a great show planned for you today. Jake Gruden stops by at five o'clock. We're excited about that. We've got a major commanders related show announcement at three o'clock coming up in one hour. Make sure you are listening at that time on Grant and Danny. Out of the Beltway Blitz today at four, we're gonna be giving away tickets to the HF Festival, which is this coming weekend at Nat's Park. And ahead of hearing Dan Quinn's press conference today, which is at six right here on GND, we've got tickets to the caps 50 Fest, starring third eye blind. So we will be very, very busy. Danny, something looks different about you. What's that? - Looks like your football team may have gotten a rare win. - Well, what were you doing 370 days ago? That's my question. That's the last time this team won a football game at home. 370 days, that's more than a calendar year for scoring at home, September 10th, against the Arizona Cardinals. Shut up and ravy when they last won a home game. - Are we doing that? The last time dot dot dot? - Yeah. - First win last time. - Can we last time? - It's November 5th. - Here we go. - So that's not just a home win. - That's anyone. - 316 days. Since your football team won a football game, the eight game losing streak that spanned in off season is over. They had not beaten the Giants since 2022. They'd lost three straight. There was a tie in there. Oh, three and one over four games. They finally knocked them off. They hadn't won a divisional game in over a football season. You got to go back to 2022 as well. But they begin this year, one and O in the NFC East, one and O against the Giants and to your point, Danny. Their first home win since week one against the Arizona Cardinals, a calendar year plus a go. Just four home wins in the last 1022 days. Think about that. - Yeah. - If you spend a lot of money going out to Northwest Stadium, if you spend your time in Landover, Maryland, tailgate and Flippenbergers, walking and hoping to see winning football, over a thousand days have passed. You've seen four wins. So while I am a process over results guy, Danny, who, hey, I got to tell you, man, enjoy this one. - It feels nice. This is an eye of the beholder situation. This is a half full, half empty. Whatever you think you probably saw, like if you're a glass half full person, you go, they went to the red zone five times. They had scoring drives. Every time they tried to drive the football, they got first downs and marched down the field and were in scoring position. You saw some good things. Jake Daniels through two games, they'll never turn over. He's looked the best of any rookie quarterback and I have a little Twitter thread going at Funny Danny on what's contextualized with the rest of the league. You saw some good stuff here, some in-breaking routes. You saw some down the field action a little bit, which you haven't seen through one and a half games. That's positive. On the negative side, you probably don't win the game if Graham Gannell doesn't hurt himself in the opening kickoff. You probably don't win the game if Blake Neighbors, who you couldn't cover and you still didn't cover him on the ball that he dropped on fourth down to give you the football back for a chance to go win it. You probably don't win if he doesn't drop the football. So whatever you wanna see, you probably saw in this one, but I will take this result. It just sort of means that the rest of this is worth pursuing to me. And what I mean is had you lost to the Giants, had they marched down the field and scored on you and you, you know, when they were able to come back and they had won, you'd lost this deflating home opener against the team that I think is gonna be terrible, it's really hard to have any kind of serious football conversation, I think we get to have it. They won, I know the process isn't perfect, but I'm seeing growth, I see some improvement, it's exciting, I'm happy they won the game. - Yeah, and the process is not supposed to be perfect or it shouldn't be expected to be when you're in your second game with a new front office and a new head coach and a rookie quarterback who is doing everything for the first time. So I think it's unrealistic if anybody thought that this was going to look really good. Now, not looking terrible is very, very different. And I think that's a reasonable expectation coming off of week one where mostly all three phases were legitimately bad. I think to ask for more against a pretty mediocre to weak opponent wasn't asking for a lot and they cleared that bar clearly and they gotta win and it is a feel good victory Monday. But what I would say to your eye of the beholder take, welcome to the NFL. Every game is that way almost. There's the occasional clunker like the Tampa Bay week one performance for Washington by bad teams so the occasional blowout win by really good teams, the Saints have scored almost 50 points twice early this season, right? But 11 of 14 games played yesterday were decided by a possession. So you're gonna be able to go back and go, if these couple plays go differently, my team wins. If these couple plays weren't made, maybe we wouldn't have lost. And that's just the league generally speaking, but going through some of the really positive I thought from yesterday, rapid fire. Jaden Daniels has played eight quarters of football. He's played four halves. I thought his best half was the second half against the Giants and I didn't think it was particularly close. - Agreed. - The first game against the Bucks, which we talked about almost all week long and then the first half against the Giants, I thought looked kind of similar, which is to say he very quickly left the pocket and kind of got on the move and didn't really let things develop, wasn't looking to throw the football or engage his receivers in the passing game as much. I thought in the second half he was marvelous against the Giants and that's what you're looking for. That's what you want to see from Jaden Daniels, the numbers 12 of 16 for a Buck 39 after halftime. You agree it was a very different looking, Jaden Daniels after intermission? - 100%. - The thing we saw, and I'll tag you back in, is it looked like the Giants went, okay, this is all you guys are going to do is Jaden Daniels takes a snap and throws it exactly horizontally to either Zacchaeus or McLaren or somebody in between or is checking it down to a running back. We're going to force you to do something different. The middle of the field opened up. You saw a pretty good shot to Noel Brown. You saw Zack Hertz on an in-breaking round in traffic, tightly contested, good throw, good catch, good everything. So there are a couple other moments too where I'm not saying you're hitting home runs. That's right now seems to be reserved for the Saints. And I guess Sam Darnold and Justin Deferson, over the top shots are harder to come by. It seems like an league right now, which we'll get into. I'm sure, but to me this was the most NFL looking passing that we've seen both from Kingsborough and this offense and from Daniels. - Yeah, that's what I would say it was. It just looked like a legitimate NFL passing offense. He had the 20 yard completion to Earth's where he was wide open. He had a 21 yarder that he kind of lobbed in as he got hit that almost got picked off. There was a 50/50 ball that Earth's caught. Those were the two completions well beyond 10 plus yards in the game. And the two times this season, really, they've been able to push the ball down the field. He had a great throw on the in-breaker, the little dig to Noah Brown. He was wide open, but he threw an arrow to him on the final drive of the game with a catch and run that I thought was, again, that's NFL conceptual stuff. That's just what you want to see more of. But I thought he looked like a passer who had the ability to run rather than a runner who will occasionally pass for the first time in four halves in the second half of the game. And I thought it was part of the reason why, frankly, they got their offense going. His philosophical shift or whatever led to him deciding to stand in the pocket and let the passing game get going, I thought it worked really well. The running game was outstanding. And this is a credit to Jaden Daniels. This goes back to 2012 when we saw defenses have to defend Washington 11 on 11. This is a credit to Cliff Kingsbury because one of the benefits to everyone screaming about Jaden Daniels on design runs and how often he's run the football is that defenses are petrified that he's going to keep the rock. And what you get is a career day from Brian Robinson and Austin Echler shining. Both of those guys, I thought, were exceptional, specifically Robinson on the ground. - It looked like, it reminds me of Alfred Morse in this one respect. When he gets a head full esteem, it's now we're going forward for another three or four yards. If you allow Derek Henry, and I'm not putting Robinson necessarily in that class, no one's as physical as that guy, but it's on that spectrum where he's big and strong. And if he gets a head full esteem and is able to kind of get his shoulder square headed up field, you're now looking at seven yards. Whereas if you make him pitter patter and tap his feet and start and stop, you could tackle him like anybody else. But when he gets a head full esteem, credit to the offensive line, I think credit to, as you said, to Kingsbury for some of the design to kind of get him moving, that was pretty damn impressive. His long, of course, was on a play that was kind of like, everybody's all bunched up and everyone thought he was down and he kind of bounced it around and took off for that 40 yards. Bit flooky, but he deserves credit for keeping his feet churning. But like that physicality that he ran with was pretty damn impressive. And when it works, it looks great. - He's tough to tackle. He had not had a single run of 30 yards in his career in his first 28 games before yesterday. He had two 30 plus yard carries yesterday, including the career long from 40, career high 133 yards on 17 attempts. It was his 13th career game with 17 or more rushes. I thought they had the emergence of a number two wide receiver yesterday. His first time on the field, Noah Brown showed more to me in terms of the ability to separate at the top of the route, kind of the suddenness that he's got at the top of the route on both of the catches he made. The one he made this diving catch radius grab where it was an 80 mile an hour fastball. That was kind of offline from Jaden. And he made this really athletic acrobatic play. The next one was the beautifully thrown perfect ball when he won inside on the final drive to set up the game winning field goal. But you can't tell me that just based on three targets, three catches, this performance for Noah Brown, that you don't feel like they're in a better spot at that number two receiver than they would have been if they didn't bring him in. And you're still wondering, is it Zacchaeus? Is it Deami? Is it gonna be Jamison Crowder? This guy's better than those guys. - Yeah, without question. To me, the most impressive route he had over the course of the day was a play that Daniels was pressured. I think he was sacked on the play, but that little stutter go where the defender, his jockstraps in section 412, that was filthy. - Yeah, hit him with a double move on the sideline. It was the first half, would have been the bottom of the TV screen kind of going left to right for people that don't remember the play. - Yeah, it looked like you're standard. I'm running 12 yards, turn around, timing, let's hope for the ball. And that little, whatever the hitch, he sold it and was gone if there's blocking or if it's a different situation, that's an easy walk-in touchdown. But he's explosive, you said it right. The suddenness, how big he is, the physicality of it, the burst that he has, that's their second best receiver. And he was dangerous yesterday. - They're kicking game problems. For right now, we're gone. I'm not ready, like everybody else seems to be, to just put in Sharpie, that they have solved the kicking dilemma and that Austin Seibert is the long-term answer. I am ready to crown him King of the day. I am ready to tell him congratulations on winning the NFC Special Team's Player of the Week award and for setting the franchise record with seven field goals and for being one of nine kickers in league history who's ever made seven field goals in a game, but they were all chip shots. As long as I'm 45, all of the other kicks were from extra point distances. - And in, yeah. - So my point is not to say that that's not an accomplishment because anything could go wrong around these parts. - We've seen it. - We know it can. A snap can be bad, a hold can be bad. There could be a procedural issue and you had a re-kick and now you're out of whack. Seven for seven, no matter what the distance is, is a win, it's a big deal. But I think two things can be true. One, he had a great game and I'm very happy for Austin Cybert. It's a funny league. One week ago, the story is they don't have a kicker, they were 0 for two. This week, the guy comes in and goes seven for seven, but I'm gonna reserve some judgment before I break out my pen to put him down on the depth chart for the remainder of 2024. - So we're gonna talk about this a bunch where it comes to the rest of the league and passers, but it's again, context matters so much. The rest of the league, it's now just mundane, 56 yards, wind here, there and everywhere, 58, 59 yard, just a normal thing. Not as funny as he wasn't asked to do that yesterday. All he did was make every kick he was presented. Let's see what we're talking about in a couple of weeks when he's gotta make that 52 yarder or the opposite hash mark that he likes on a clutch moment from '48 or '49, with the wind doing some weird stuff at some kind of road stadium. TBD on that, but all you can do is what's in front of you and he crushed it yesterday. Deserve the game ball, that was really cool. I was texting with a buddy. Mark Mosley was the MVP of the league, which by the way, in and of itself, again, it's just so hilarious. And I love Mark Mosley, he gave me five. - Dude, that is five guys. - But he was the MVP of the league in the early '80s. His long that year was '48. He never attempted a 50 plus yard field goal. 10 years ago, in 2014, the longest field goal of the season that was made was Neil Rackers. Do you remember Rackers? - In Arizona. - Yeah, for the Cardinals. He used to kick bombs. He had like the biggest leg. It was a 55 yard field goal. There was one of those all season. If you were making 52 and 53 yard field goals 10 years ago, you were the dude, right? Now, the kicker for the Cowboys, Brandon Aubrey, lined up for a 71 yarder and everyone's going, he's got a chance to make it. - He's got a shot and warm up, he was hitting from 72. - It might actually happen. There has been no bigger change in the game, in my opinion, over a decade. You and I are, it's weird to be old enough to kind of see something change this dramatically. But from when I was a kid, and if beyond 45, you were taking your risks. Now, if it's 56 or in, you should be hitting that at like a 75, 80% clip. And last night, again, Kaimi Fairbairne and Cairo Santos and the Sunday night game with the Texans and the Bears, everybody does, nobody misses from 50 to 55. It is not steer point, but I digress. Benjamin St. Juice, I thought was really good. Strong outing, huge play from him on the punch fumble, but also three PBUs, he had a big time play in man coverage against Malik neighbors late in the game, who ate their lunch. How good is Malik neighbors? - It's pretty good. They still have uncovered him. I'll let you know when they do. It may be in the next matchup, but it wasn't in this one. That guy, they moved him from the right side, left side, he got to pick on everybody. - Oh, his spray chart was just sensual. - Just one soda one a groove. - Both sides of the field, running every route, he is going to be incredible. - Star. - And I don't want to knock Terry McClellan or start the day being negative on Terry, but Terry doesn't have that. Like this guy is a rookie, he was a top 10 pick, but I don't think anybody's ranking him in the top 15 or so in the league right now. Now, my opinion is they'll go for a thousand. And I said before the season, I think he will be one of the top 10 and 12 receivers maybe in football when it's all set and done, but it's a second straight week where you're watching Mike Evans and Chris Godwin and now Malik neighbors. And I'm kind of going, where's Terry stack up against these guys? He's a good player. I like Terry McClellan, he's one of my favorite commanders and Redskins and Washington footballers and whatever other team I need to say in history. I mean, as a dude, but whatever Malik neighbors has, that is not the same skill set that Terry McClellan does. He doesn't have that burst that wiggle. He's not as hard to cover. He doesn't separate from people the same way. Like they got one of the studs. We don't have one of those guys. - Yeah. And I'm with you on the sense that I don't love like piling on or picking on him in the last couple of years, his early season has not been very good. Last year, we thought it was a foot thing this year. Who knows if it's all the new offense and adjustment, defenses are king on him. I have no idea. I know this. You're going to have to start adding names to the list of guys that are going to be above him in terms of like the pecking order wide receiver rankings league wide. And we've been trending that way. - The census was like he's a top 15-ish guy. I haven't done the rankings in a while, but there's no way you would do that. Like today, if you're making a list, I'm just, I went through banged out six condensed games between last night and this morning, watched every play of six games condensed. And guys like Jamison Williams or Ammanra St. Brown with the Lions, like, there's just some, there's another gear there that they have and they can do things that Washington doesn't have anybody that can do that. - Or if you look at Aneko Collins who moves pretty damn well, obviously, but he's so big. Just so damn physical that like, you know, guys are uncovered simply because they bounce off him or a Devontae Adams who's a similar size, who's, you know, looks like a point guard crossing you up in the open court when he's making his moves and making these incredible catches on the sidelines or in breaking routes or otherwise. So I don't know, man, it's one of those things where, again, I hate to keep bringing this up, but that receiver room, man, in retrospect, even in foresight, you're looking at it going, did they do enough? Is there enough? Is there enough? Now with potentially this development where you'd say, maybe, well, Corinne isn't as much of a star as we thought, just it leads to questions as all I'm saying. - Cliff Kingsbury, I thought was terrific. The center-screened Austin Echler in the first half was tremendous. He threw a throwback screen. It was almost like the old Titan Leak play. - That Shanahan play, yeah. - To Austin Echler, where everyone's headed right, he dumps it back to the left, got inside the 5-yard green that way, almost a touchdown. I thought Kingsbury had a really good plan. They also are P.O. heavy at the beginning of the game. Now, I have issues with his scheme generally and how he does things pre-snap, but I thought from a game-calling, play-calling standpoint, he hit them at the perfect time with a couple really good calls. I think he did some things to make life easier in the beginning of the game for Jaden Daniels as well. So overall, I thought it was really good there, but it was an immensely flawed performance. There's no doubt about it. If you were looking for like style points, you did not get those. I don't think you need to when your team hasn't won it home since week one last year and hasn't beaten this team in a couple of seasons and just generally does not find ways to win this game. But if your takeaway today is if they had Graham Gino and he didn't get her on the opening kickoff, they probably lose the game. I think that's probably true. - Yeah. - Now they had to go for a fourth down, maybe three or four yards they needed on the neighbor's drop or else maybe they win the game. But you got to take advantage of the breaks and Daniels in the offense went out on the field and he was laughing according to what Alama Dezaki has told me after the game in the locker room. He had the demeanor of being really calm, made the big throw to Brown. They got down the field, had a big scramble, kind of a design, I guess should say designed to run and set up a chippy for the game winner. But another thing I would point out is the defense again, specifically in the first half, but really just generally. Ultra disappointing. Their first 11 drives of the season, they gave up six touchdowns and points on nine of them. And in this game, they could not stop the run at all. How many times did the Giants run that same straight ahead dive by Devin Singletary where it seemed like Alan Payne, Mathis, whoever else was supposed to have been anchoring wasn't able to. - It felt like whenever they wanted to, they could go back to that play. I mean, this was such an interesting thing. I think this defense is so porous that they decide, we're going to try to take away maybe one thing or make one thing slightly more challenging. And if you find some of the things we're not worried about or not covering, you can exploit it for the indefinite part of the game. AKA, this one was Singletary just gashing them at various points, deep into the secondary. Safety's linebackers chasing him from behind are the only people that could bring him down after eight, nine, 10, 15 yards at a time. And they seem content with that. 'Cause again, I don't think they're good enough to take multiple things away at this point and barely good enough to take one thing away. - But in the same way that I said, I thought Daniels was way better in the second half and was awesome in the second half. 'Cause remember the first half baked into the Daniels conversation has to be, they burned two time outs on the opening drive. I've never seen that in my life. They also had five false starts in the red zone in this game and a bunch of like pre-snap procedural stuff and maybe not all of that is on him. Some of that's expected when you have a young quarterback, obviously. But I thought as the game went on, they got a lot better and cleaned up their act. Defensively, they did to an extent as well. Four drives for the Giants in the second half of the game. They fumbled and that was a play that the defense made. - That was a play, yeah. - It was St. Houston Chin. Then they had to punt, then they scored a touchdown and turned it over on downs, albeit on a drop. But it looks a lot different when you get the big takeaway when you force a punt. But they'll go into this week still, Danny, right near the bottom in a bunch of categories, obviously. 'Cause it just, it hasn't been good so far. It's frankly been stunningly not good. - Yeah, and you'll be buoyed by the fact you played the Giants. We're gonna struggle to score some points on a lot of people, I think, as you saw there in week number one. Tampa Bay's a good offense. I think we knew that then and we knew that now, especially after what they did in week number two against Detroit. But yeah, I don't know where the fix is coming. I don't know that there is one, frankly, especially with some of these teams that are coming to town. - But I'm thrilled for you guys, first of all, the fans and those of you that paid the money and were out at the stadium and wanted to leave happy with a win, you got one, finally. And I'm also pumped up for Peters and Quinn and Daniels and all of the new faces here in Washington, D.C. They got their first W. So it is a victory Monday on Grant and Danny. They are one and one and they are on to Cincinnati for Monday Night Football a week from tonight. Let's do this next. We always start our show this way. Game balls for the best, gases for the worst from yesterday's win against the Giants. 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Because as amazing it is that the defense struggled the way that it did as rested as they were. That's how you win a football game with a bad defense. Don't let them take the field. Keep them on that bench. You see that bench over there? - Super thin. - That's where I want you. - You stay right over there. - And that's what they did. Ball controlled, short, safe passes, the RPOs, the screen game. Protecting the football for a second straight week. Daniels did not turn the football over. For a young quarterback, a big, big deal, that was the formula. - So you are 100% right in the sense that this is the tight rope they have to walk. Right, where, listen, you go to the red zone five or six times. I can't remember which one it was. You're gonna end up with one touchdown. Sometimes two, God forbid, even if you're bad in the red zone, which Kingsbury's offenses have been historically, he has not been a good red zone coordinator. There's a million reasons for that. I don't know all of them. But I will say that that's a historical trend line. It's something to watch. Warren Sharp put that in his big behemoth football preview. And that's kind of something I had circled was, how does the red zone go here? You would think having a weapon like Jaden Daniels to help you run it sometimes or some of that read option action. Might help, you saw that big play right before Austin Cyber kicked that game winning field goal was a good read option moment. So you think maybe they'll be better in that regard than they've been historically. But that's still something that has to bear out. But long and short, I will take every metric you just said, 'cause that's their best chance to win. Their defense is not getting a ton better. I don't think there's a savior there. So the best way to have them play decently or what everyone to call it is then I haven't played. You know what I mean? It's to keep that football for as long as possible. 0 for 6 in the red zone, 0 for 3 in goal to go. Almost as maddening as 0 for 6 in the red zone offensively is on fourth down, excuse me, not on fourth down, in the red zone defensively, I should say, they allowed three touchdowns to the Giants on three trips. Knowing they didn't have a field goal kicker. I don't know that that necessarily makes it easier to get a stop, but my point is you can play this differently. You can make sure, let's let them do whatever they gotta do, but they're not going to get into the end zone when they get into the red area in high and low red zones because they don't have a kicker. And we saw their punter miss an extra point already. 0 for three in goal to go, Giants were one for one. They just couldn't force them to have to try to even decide if they wanted to kick a field goal without a kicker, which made it that much more frustrating, I thought. But let's go to the game balls that we'll give out to the best gases to the worst from yesterday's. First win of the season against the Giants. - Team Daniels deserves a game ball here. Growth is a passer, zero turnovers. We're going to start talking about this here as the show progresses, but passing is down league wide. Fourteen guys yesterday have the 30 quarterbacks that played did not throw for 200 yards in a football game. Gone are the days seemingly at 400 yards, four touchdowns and, you know, Peyton Manning set in a record and Drew Brees breaking it the next day. We are in a down passing moment. So he ranks top 10 in a couple of categories. He's had the best start of any of the rookies that are playing at this point, and I thought there was legit growth yesterday. - Great distinction. - Well, yeah, one is more than zero. Still, it is a factor. But the rest of the league is doing, I think is critically important when we're talking about a player and Daniels is off to a good start. I thought his best half was the second half yesterday. - Yeah, I thought the first half was a mess, not him necessarily, but the offense largely with the penalties and the timeouts and everything. And I thought it was a continuation of the Bucks game, which was C minus, you know, C, whatever you want to call it. I thought he was very good in the second half of the game. So to me, he's played eight quarters, you know, four halves. He's had one excellent half, and it won them the game yesterday largely. But I thought he was really, really good after halftime because he was a passer first. He was an NFL quarterback standing in the pocket, making throws, he could run if he needed to, and he ripped a couple of those off. But I thought that was kind of the first half of football that looked like, to me, what is the dream? When you draft him number two overall. But not turning the ball over to your point. And I don't care about passing yards through two weeks or where he ranks or anything like that. You know, they throw a lot of screens, they get a lot of yards after the catch. I care about things like, are you making the right decision as to throw it away, take the sack? Are you gonna protect yourself or not? And we'll get into that. He took a shot, but I thought yesterday, by and large, that was less of a storyline. Funny to say when he missed a snap, 'cause we'll get into that. But I didn't think it was as big of a deal it wasn't a 16 carry game. Speaking of carries though, one guy that did have 16 carries, Brian Robinson, 17 rushing attempts for 133 yards. Brian Robinson, a career day. He had never had a 30 yard run. He did it twice yesterday. Longest run of his career, most yards in his career. He made a comment after the game like, yeah, it's been a long time since I got 17 carries. He got 17 carries a third of the time last year. I don't really know what his point was there, but here's my point. With Jaden Daniels in that backfield, scaring the daylights out of a defensive coordinator, scaring everyone on the field, Brian Robinson's about to have the best year of his career. And he was awesome yesterday. - Austin Echler, more, more. We just need more. He leads the team in receiving yards, leads the team in, or second on the team rather, in receptions. He had pretty good rushing totals yesterday, eight for 38 overshadowed, of course, by what Brian Robinson did with some of those explosive runs, but he was effective when he had the football in his hands, per usual. This right now is their best offensive weapon. You can't overdo it because, you know, you're on the risk of him wearing down and not being the same guy in a few weeks or months, et cetera. But it's hard for me to imagine them having better options on offense right now than Austin Echler. - Zachar, it's four catches for 62 yards, led the team, he's second on the team in receiving yards through two games. I think he's their number one receiver for the short term here. In terms of he'll be their most targeted guy, he's the guy that can stretch the field. Daniel's completed his first couple balls of 20 or more yards this season yesterday, and they were both to Urts. One was on that kind of 50/50 ball near the sideline when he stood in, took a shot, made a throw. The other was a really nice job by him coming off of his, what looked to be his primary, seeing Urts wide open at the second level and a lob and a ball over a linebacker for 20. He was, no one was around him, he rumbled for four and fell forward. Four and 62 though, I think that's not only sustainable. I'd like to see more of it. Work the middle of the field, involve Zach Urts, take advantage of having a big catch radius, a weapon, a guy who can box defenders out. There's no reason he shouldn't be able to give you six for 70 most weeks. I believe when we fast forward a month from right now, if he's healthy, he'll be their leader in catches and yards the way things are developing for this offense. - Go seven for seven, you get yourself a game ball. Austin Cyber, congratulations dude, that's pretty cool. A guy that didn't know if he was gonna work again in the NFL maybe ever or this season or whatever, just off his couch, probably at some local high school kicking it by himself, really, really cool steps from an NFL game, a divisional game, a home opener for a team that ends up coming down to your foot an awful lot, you go seven for seven, wasn't 60 yarders, wasn't into some crazy wind or anything like that, but every kick that you had to make, you made it, seven field goals is a big deal. - I'll go one more. Benjamin St. Juice forced the first takeaway of the season on a punch fumble, the old peanut punch, had three pass breakups as well, I thought he played very, very well. We'll get you some gasters, make some guys run some laps next and then we wanna hear from you, your calls at 800-636-1067 on Grant and Danny, the commanders beat the Giants, 21 to 18, you're giving a game ball to the best and a gaster to the worst right here on the fan. - This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Whether you love true crime or comedy, celebrity interviews or news, you call the shots on what's in your podcast queue, and guess what? Now you can call them on your auto insurance too, with the name of your price tool from Progressive. It works just the way it sounds. You tell Progressive how much you wanna pay for car insurance and they'll show you coverage options that fit your budget. Get your quote today at progressive.com to join the over 28 million drivers who trust Progressive. 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We've given out our game balls. How about a couple of gasses before we hit the phones? How about Michael Davis at cornerback? He got benched because Malik neighbors was shaking him out of his shoes over and over again. Neighbors is really good. By the way, 18 targets yesterday. The Giants know what they're doing. Get that guy, the football. - If I'm gonna go down, I'll do, I'll go down like that. - 10 for 127 and a touchdown for neighbors against Washington. Many of those catches and yards coming against Davis before they went to Knowig Benogany did not go well for him. He also missed a tackle on the opening touchdown of the game, dove at the feet of Devin Singletary, just a play he'd like to have back. There were several of those, I thought. - My front four, my starting defensive line. Where, where are we? Where's my pressure? Where's my disruption? Where's my chaos? Where's my occasional play being made at some point? Any point? The occasional TFL, that's allowed. I understand sometimes you gotta hold the point of attack and let the Louvus or the Wagner's or somebody else come knife through and make a play, but it wasn't like those were happening a ton either. Where is my chaos? Where is my Pro Bowl talents playing like Pro Bowl talents? A.K. Schungen won the highlight reel with a post sack dance or some sort of pass batted down, not much effect on that game yesterday. - Whoever wants to take the blame for 10 penalties for 70 yards, this is not the discipline that I was told that the commander way was going to be. It's early, but I need to get rid of pre-snap stuff. Five, false starts all in the red zone. We're crippling and 10 penalties overall is probably like seven more than I'd like to have and five more than what is even reasonable. Twice as many as should happen. Let's go to Chris and Brandywine on Grant and Danny. Who gets your game ball? Who gets your gasser from a 21-18 win over the G-Men? - Hey gentlemen, I'm gonna call Audible the West. Those of you who are producers, I'm gonna give him a game ball to Noah Brown. Noah Brown had three receptions, 56 yards, and he's averaging 18.7 since he got here. Give that guy the ball more. Now for gasser, I'm gonna go with Joe Wick 'cause he, Jamie Davis was a healthy scratch and he was the one that got a sack last game. Why did they take him out? There's no reason, we don't know why. - Well he had a TFL for minus four to be clear. Cleveland Ferrell had the only sack last week. He had the only sack this week, he's got two sacks. Both of those are kind of mop-up sacks though under on pain plays where pain is actually kind of responsible for blowing it up. But Ferrell's the only guy on the team that's got a sack at this point. And by the way, that's dead last. Two sacks through two games. Washington is tied for worst in the league in that area. Chris is in Hyattsville on Grant and Danny. Game ball and gasser. - Definitely big game ball to B-Rob and Jane Daniels. Gasser to Cliff Kingsbury for having the worst red zone offense that I've ever seen. I also blame a lot of that. If you're getting a lot of pre-snap penalties, change the play calling type. Stop going shotgun and 'cause, you know, it was every offensive lineman, not just one. So it was obviously a systemic problem. - That's a good point. - Thank you, buddy. - I had two. Allegretti had one and Lucas had one. So three specific linemen. Sin had had the other. But I mean, four different guys had the five penalties for Washington. As far as not going shotgun, the whole league's in shotgun, you know, these young quarterbacks that play their whole college careers in shotgun, like Daniels are gonna be in it 80 plus 90% of the time. So I don't worry about that as much. - I'd love to have a mix instead of only being in one thing, but in general, I think it's a good point about it wasn't just one guy who couldn't get the cadence right or something. It was systemic. - I should say to a couple of callers ago, I wrote down Jamie Davis's name. We'll come back to that. 'Cause actually early next hour, I wanna talk about him being a healthy scratch. That was pretty shocking. After he made a couple of nice plays in the run game, a week ago to the caller's point. Let's go to JNDC on Grant and Danny. You're live on the fan. What's up, Jay? - What's up, you guys? I forgot to talk about Nick Belor, what'd he call it, like a terrible player, basically? - What'd he call it, what's the term for that? - You mean a gasser? Is that what you're looking for? - Yeah, gasser, that's what I meant. The only thing he's supposed to do is special team, and he took that touchdown away from us. I love my boy, Arthur Eckler, going all the way. And if you wanna talk about taking good nose hamstring injury away, you gonna have to give us that touchdown. So I'm like, yeah, you gotta give us that touchdown. And my boy, Arthur Eckler, gets the game ball. That's a touchdown, and my boy said, that's all that matters. And I'm giving my other game ball to Lugu. That dude was all over the place today. And then also, just really quick, Jammin Davis, he's like our fifth DN. They needed another D tackle. That other guy that they put in isn't a DN. He's a D tackle, he played D tackle the whole time. So if he's our fifth DN, it doesn't make sense to actually put him in a game. - There's some truth to that, but he's still listed as a defensive end, and they got Johnny Newton back, who played a dozen snaps. So they really elevated two defensive tackles theoretically in that regard against the team that was primarily gonna spread you out and try to get the ball to neighbors anyway. It's not even as much about arguing whether or not he should have been active or not, it's more revealing. And just telling as to, he played one game, it's hard not to view what happened as some type of referendum on the one game that they saw since they got here of Jammin Davis. We did not mention Balor in the first segment or in the gasters, but he obviously gets one. - Yeah. - Two special teams penalties in his. - Get your name called, young man. - Debut with the team, former Pro Bowl linebacker with Larry Izzo, having said all of that, you know, better days ahead, I'm sure. But that's too bad for our guy Austin Echler. It'll be on the show tomorrow at five. We got Jay Gruden today at five. But Echler rips off a kick return. Everyone's beaten up on these, you know, the new kickoff rules. We had a touchdown last week. We would have had a touchdown again in the NFL, this time for the commanders this week. And it came back, I saw Echler in the locker room, I'm like, you know, I would have preferred that your return not have been called back via penalty. He's like, oh, really? He's like, me too. It was just funny. - Yeah, Julie, you know, that's just how I feel about it. - And he goes, I also would have preferred that we scored at least one touchdown in the game. It was a good line. But I look forward to talking to him tomorrow. Who gets your game ball? Who gets your gaster? Those are the questions for you on G&D. Next, Jim and Davis deactivated. We'll dive into that in our big show announcement right at the top of the hour. You don't want to miss on the fan. - Hey NFL fans, you can start the season with a big return on FanDul. America's number one sports book. So when you get a hunch in the middle of the game, you can check out the latest stats, view live play-by-play, and so much more on the same page where you place your bets. 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We've been telling you about our friends Condorian Muron for many months on the show. Huge DC sports fans. You and I went to some caps games with them this year. - Yes, we did. - And just good dudes, good hang, a lot of fun. But they love their DC sports. They travel the country to watch DC sports teams. You know how seriously they take travel in the country to watch? - Like is there an example that you could provide? - I could. This coming Monday, one week from today on Monday night football in Cincinnati. The Grant and Danny radio program will be on the road sponsored by our friends at Condorian Muron. They are taking us with them to Cincinnati to broadcast live. - How 'bout that? - On Monday ahead of the game and on Tuesday in Ohio, computer chime. Ah, thank you. The computer's very excited about it as well. - Yeah, the computer's in. - Danny, we're going to Ohio. - So if there was a phrase or a bit of terminology that would apply to what Grant and Danny are up to next, is there anything that comes to mind, like anything you could think of? Like what are we focused on? We are, what are we doing? - We're on the Cincinnati. - That's what we're doing as a show. You see what I'm saying? Like right now, you're like, hey, you guys are here in DC. You're a couple of blocks north of Nat's park. You're talking about a washington win at home for the first time in a while. But in my mind, I am. - We're on the Cincinnati. - See what I'm saying? - I need people to think about what this really means. Think long and hard about this. Danny Ruye, who refuses to go to the Fed. - That's right. - Old Northwest Stadium. - Old Nubs Field. - Because of that, refuses to go to football games to watch as Washington commanders. The last time we got Danny Ruye to go to a game to watch the commanders was in New Orleans on our last show road trip many, many years ago. Danny Ruye will be back in an NFL stadium. Ladies and gentlemen, the sober, the sober, no fun Ruye will be sitting in an NFL stadium, watching football in Cincinnati in prime time on Monday night. - Monday night, football, the boot, how about it? - It's nothing about the past, nothing about the future. This is right now, we're praying for Cincinnati. - That's what we're doing. - On pack in my bags, I'm getting ready to go. Our pet's heads are falling off. We got a itinerary that our guys put together. We're watching the Ravens whip up on the Cowboys together at some bar, then we're going to kick it all day on Monday. We're gonna do the show live, wait till here we're doing the show from, by the way. And then we're going to Monday night football, Condori Murad, their traveling party, and the Grant and Danny radio program. - We have to dress nicer, I think two or three times. Did you get that? It was the bottom of the email that was seems sent. - I'm sure. - No, it's down at the bottom. Now I'm going to call it fine print 'cause it's all pertinent information. But two different blazers. - How's that work? - Two different blazers we probably need 'cause you can't be seen wearing the same thing. - True or false? You're going to wear some type of weird salmon shirt and bring a jacket. - It's false 'cause it's not weird. - Okay, are you going to bring a jacket? - Probably, yeah. - Oh man. - Probably. - Cannot wait. It's going to be a blast. Are you going to wear the jacket to the stadium? - No, not for the game. I'm not going to put a blazer on for the game. - Sitting next to Danny at a football game. Darrus, you're going to be sitting with us, by the way. Darrus is making the trip as well. You're going to be in Paul Brown Stadium on Monday night football. - Take-or stadium. - Whatever stadium guy. - Can you imagine Danny Ruey at an NFL game? - That would, first of all, I'm honored that I'm going to be able to sit next to Danny. - Try the return, yeah. - At his first football game in forever. Aside from that Ravens game, you went to random. But yeah, I'm honored. I'm honored and shocked all in one. - It's going to be a trip. - It is? - Here's where we're broadcasting from. Now this is a little bit of a deeper cut. - Yeah. - For some of our listeners of yesteryear. - This is catnip if you know. - But heartbeat. Like if you're in, you're going to lose your mind. - Exactly. I am steamed up for this. - They're going to be a bunch of you going, what? So what, what does that matter? What are you talking about? - We're going to be watching games throughout the day on Sunday, broadcasting live on Monday and on Tuesday from Thoms Watchbar. Now, if that sounds funny to you, it's because it's not Thoms Watchbar like in the Navy. - No, no, no. Our old buddy Thoms. - Old Thommie. - He was a producer of the Grand and Danny Radio program, pre-pandemic. Left, packed up shop with his lady wife and went to Cincinnati, Ohio. - He was the original gangster of Ona Cincinnati. - And he was. - He's obviously married, a dad, just employed in a totally different space now. He's going to be hosting us. - Or Ona Cincinnati. - That's right, Bill. - Can you imagine Old Thommie? - Old Thommie. - His boys are coming to see him. He runs a sports book basically. - He works at a casino running a sports book. He is going to serve as our host for a couple of days, hooking his guys. So we're going to broadcast live from Thoms Watchbar. Thommie will be back on the Grand and Danny Radio program, come next Monday live from Thoms Watchbar. - Live from Thoms. - The sports casinos, Hollywood casino, man. It's going to be a hell of a trip. - I mean, world's colliding. Dogs and cats living together, insane. But we've got to thank our friends Condorion Murad for making it happen. So here's the question. If you're going to Cincinnati, and you already know it, and you're out there, first of all, what's your game plan? Tweet us @granthpaulson@funnydanny. Let us know, but we plan to kick it with some listeners while we're out there. We are going to be staying in Kentucky. We're going to be broadcasting from Indiana, but we'll be at the game in Cincinnati. - There's your tri-state right there. - That is a real thing, by the way. - By the way, ha ha ha, no, that's actually what's happening. - Thumbs watch bars in Indiana. The hotel is in Kentucky. I think that's what we're also flying into. - 'Cause that's the suburban Cincinnati airport is actually in Kentucky. The whole thing's around 30, 35 minutes apart. - The Bengals game is in Ohio. We are back, we are back, we are getting dug back, and we are on to Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. - We're on to Cincinnati. - Ladies and gentlemen, the Grant and Danny Radio program. - By the way, thank goodness Cincinnati looked like they got right against Kansas City. I was hoping for another month or so of them not knowing what they're doing. They look just fine. - They're going to be trying not to go 0 and 3. What are you going to do with your hands at a football game guy? - I've been to plenty of football games, man. - Not many lately. - No, not lately. - Not a whole lot. - No. - I didn't sit with you in New Orleans, so I don't know what this is going to be like at all. - Why didn't you sit with us in New Orleans? - I was press box Paulson. - You did a press box, babe? - I did. - New Orleans? - Yeah, I did a press box. - I don't remember that. - Absolutely. - 'Cause we had seats that were great. We were like 15 roads back and we had the best view of Nick Sunberg warming up. Like Nick Sunberg was basically mooning us. You know, like he's doing his long snap bit, like we're right at the 10 and I was like, this is the best picture of Nick Sunberg. You're ever going to find. You know what I mean? Like he looked handsome and just spelt. - It's got a Mary Pat who's in Springfield wants to hop in on GND. Hello, Mary Pat. How are you? - Hey, guys. I don't know what you guys do. I'm old, I'm a bit of Washington for a long period. - Well, your phone is breaking up on us. I will get back to you. I think she wanted to talk to us about Chile, though. Clary, what was she going to ask us? - Do a Skyline Chile bit? - She wanted you guys to try the Skyline 3 way, which is basically three different kinds of Chile. - I don't know if our wives would like that. - You got to pay extra, usually. - That's true. That's fair. But she would want you to try that over at Skyline Chile. And apparently it's a thing and apparently it's really good. - So I'm going to say thank you so much to Mary Pat on that. - There you go, Mary Pat. - It is thoughtful, it is kind. I really appreciate it. You know, sir, guys, we're food guys inside of it. We just love to eat things. I'm going to tell you this. It stinks. - Oh, oh, oh! - Skyline Chile stinks. Cincinnati, Chile stinks. - Wow. - Okay, I have been to Cincinnati. I was on to Cincinnati before. Played Xavier a couple of times as a collegiate. What, I played a Dayton all over the place. Been to Cincinnati a few different times myself. It is so pedestrian. It's dumb. It's not that good. And they put it on spaghetti and act like they invented fire. They didn't. There's plenty of things they eat and do. We're not doing Skyline Chile. - Maybe your taste buds have changed considerably. It's been a long time. - I haven't been to Cincinnati in a few years. So unless they did some kind of reinventing of putting chili on spaghetti and being convinced that they're the greatest inventors since the Wright brothers, no. - What year was the Major League Baseball All-Star Game in Cincinnati? - I'm going to say it was like 2018 maybe. Wow, it's been that long. 2015. - Okay. - That was the last time I was in Cincinnati. Was nine years ago. It's time. - It's time to return. - It's time. - To the queen sitting. - To go see Joe Burrow and the boys. Take on the Washington commanders with our pals, Condoria Murad. So. - We'll have plenty to do that's not Skyline Chile. - Let us know. Hit us up. If you're going, we will hang. We will kick it. We'll find some watering holes to meet up at along the way with listeners hopefully. But we'll be out there as of Sunday. I'm going to post up, watch the one o'clock games. We'll find a place to brood on the Ravens against the Cowboys in the four o'clock window and then come Monday night football a week from today. Grant Danny, Condoria Murad, Daris and the crew all at Bengals commanders, Monday night football. So we're looking forward to that. Before we get back to the phones, you can hit us up at 800-636-1067. What did you make of the Davis being in active news? - So I think it was a numbers game where they needed someone in other position or blah, blah, blah. - But they called up a defensive end from the practice squad that's a planted. - This is where I'm going. So, you know, Johnny Newton was going to get more snaps and Mathis is in there and then you had a, you know, Baptiste through the number of guys that again, maybe there was another member of the secondary or someone else that I missed in terms of the numbers game. But the fact that he was the victim of a numbers game tells you everything. - Yeah. - Right? This is not the 30th guy on the roster that they made an act. - Jevonte Jean Baptiste was a seventh round pick. Now, he's been okay. I have nothing against him. But let's just say it is actually Jamie Davis is just the last guy at defensive end and it's not overly meaningful. It has nothing to do with it. They didn't like his game in week one. We didn't like his game more than like John Baptiste game. Right? You are a former first round pick a couple years removed who is now being deactivated so that the seventh round pick can play. - Tells you the story. - So I think it's maybe less about what he did in limited snaps in week number one 'cause he didn't play it on. He flashed. I think you saw him a couple of times one on that TFL. Another word I thought he was very active and maybe somebody else made the play. But who knows what's going on in a practice? Who knows if he's not practicing well? Or, you know, if there's any, I'm not implying anything, I'm just asking, I'm just simply saying, we have no idea if there was some sort of, let's say there was a blow up at practice where he was arguing with a position coach and got deactivated because of it. I'm not implying that. I'm saying we have no idea what's going on sort of between them. All we see is those brief glimpses on Sunday, but it just tells you his place at the table is tenuous, right? Like, he really was close to not making it. I think it's by virtue of the fact that he's under contract either way. You don't gain anything by not having him on the roster. You can make him inactive on game base, which they did. I think there'll be times he'll be up. I think there'll be times maybe you see him on special teams or, you know, as a rotational piece at that defensive end spot when it's more of a pass for our situation, maybe match up dependent. Who knows what coaches are thinking there. But it tells you an awful lot that he wasn't just automatically included, right? - What do you feel best about through two games and what do you feel worst about? I think we can pivot to this is another lens to look at this game through. At MGM National Harbor list of lines wide open at 800-636-1067. I feel best right now about their running game. It's been a long time since we say that, but I think we're seeing the beginning of an identity now for this football team. And I don't know if this is what they want to be. I don't know if this is what, you know, is going to be the most fun to watch necessarily. But I think this is what they need to be. And I think this is the path forward here at this moment. You and I argued a lot all off season about how much should Jaden Daniels run? How much a part of the offense is it going to be? And my point in saying Daniel should run a lot and so far he's run even more than a lot in my opinion. But the reason I thought that was the case was twofold. Number one, don't draft him if you don't want him to run. It's what he does great. It's what he's special at. It's the unique skill that he's got and is 99th percentile among all quarterbacks in the NFL already. But on top of that, him running makes Brian Robinson better, makes Austin Echler better. This is what I covered in 12. This is what we all fell in love with back in the Shanahan Griffin days when they were the number one rushing offense and the number one offense in the NFL. It's the Ravens and the problems people have stopping guys like Justice Hill and JK Dobbins and Gus Edwards over the years. It hadn't been Derek Henry, it hadn't been superstars. It's just dudes who have had a lot of success 'cause you gotta go 11 and 11. You gotta defend as a bear defender on the front. They read option. You gotta make sure that you play the quarterback and there's more running real estate for the backs downhill. B-Rob going for a Buck 33 yesterday was based largely on the film from Tampa and the amount of respect paid to Jaden Daniels. It was also about how much he ran early in the game probably, frankly as well. Echler averaged almost five a pop nanny. If you add in Daniels and there's no reason not to, they ran for 215 yesterday. - That's right. - This is going to be a really good running football team and they need to be 'cause it's gonna be helpful in keeping that bad defense off the field. - So I'll piggyback on that and zone in a little bit more on Echler. Again, remember the reason he's here, everyone thought he was washed up? It took, you know, not saying I had anything to do with it. The people that made the signing did, but there are only a handful of people. You and I included I think in this are going, are we sure, are we sure that this guy has nothing left at 29 years old for, you know, from a team where the running game was broken for everybody, not just him. When you look back at what the Chargers were doing, it's not like his backup was ripping off five yards a pop and he was down in the threes because something, you know, something was wrong with him. Yeah, he may not have been as healthy as he normally was, but you saw the burst, you saw how good he is catching the football even last year when that offense wasn't particularly good. You've seen it through two games. He's their best offensive player. He is their most productive offensive player, both running the ball on a per carry basis, a little Robinson superseded him with some of those explosive runs this past week, but he's their best receiver to this point, leads the team in a second in catches and first in yards. The yards after the catch is a huge thing and it's been missing quite frankly from this offense regardless of who the OC has been over the last, you know, five, six, seven years. And that's what he does. He gets yards after the catch. He's finishing forward, he can, he can bulldoze a little bit if he has to, breaks tackles, guys bounce off him, pretty good. Remember that time he tried to hurdle a defender towards the end of the game. I think it was in the second half. The guy didn't go down like he thought he would, but he just bounced off the guy and sort of looked at him and he's writhing and paying on the ground. Austin Eckler is a weapon. That's a bonus 'cause the rest of the league had a chance to sign him too and they didn't. - Yeah, and they've done a really good job designing some looks for him. A real legitimate plays for him that are set up when they know they're gonna get the right coverage and the right moment that maybe they're coming downhill and blitzing, they've been able to hit some of those center screens. They had ran another one, it's two times in two games now in the first half where they've hit one of those. That's been awesome. But yeah, they are getting yards after the catch. And I think that there's two reasons for that. Number one, they've got some guys who can do it. But more importantly, I think when you're throwing the ball at the line of scrimmage, you're gonna get yards after the catch. They are number two in terms of the bottom of the ranking. So I said it very badly. They're second to last. There's over 30 quarterbacks, over 32 already that have played, let's say it's 35 or whatever. Quarterbacks have played in the NFL so far. Jaden Daniels completed area yards, 2.5. Only Caleb Williams has been worse at 2.2. Now again, that's not a knock on Jaden Daniels. It's part of the offense, right? To my homes and some of these guys are down low in those categories. It's a stylistic thing in the horizontal rate. But my point in bringing you up is not a knock on Daniels as much as it is to say, you're gonna get yards after the catch when you're throwing behind the line of scrimmage as often as they are and at the line of scrimmage. 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The offensive line won the line of scrimmage pretty clearly. - They did, they get some pretty decent front on paper at least. - Absolutely, 17 attempts for a 133 yards, a career game for Brian Robinson, Jaden Daniels. A week after running 16 times was down to 10 attempts for 44 yards, although there were a few quote unquote rushes back to the line of scrimmage where he pulled the ball down that went for sacks, five sacks in the game, four of them in the first half did a way better job after halftime at not getting hit behind the line of scrimmage. And then Austin Echler, eight attempts for 38 yards. So overall, just the backs combined. Robinson and Echler as a tandem Danny, 25 carries for 171 yards for those two. - Jim Harbaugh at Michigan type running performance, you know, on the way to a natty. You don't see that all that often in the NFL. I mean, listen, it's a different game in that big pile up, I'm not taking credit away from Robinson, but the big pile up on, I think it was either third and short, maybe it was even a fourth down, where you're looking for a half yard that plays designed to get a half yard and it probably should have got a half yard. But, you know, the rugby scrum happens and he bounces through it and escapes for 40 yards. It's a different day, just a regular old good day instead of a banner day instead of a career day. But point is, they were thumping. They were running downhill. Whatever they wanted to do in the run game was working. I don't know how sustainable that is. I don't know week to week. I mean, it certainly wasn't the case against Tampa where Robinson went 12 for 40. You didn't have those kinds of, you know, a glaring holes, but I will say, involving Echler earlier in the game, I think opens things up for everybody else. And I know it just, that's kind of my sticking point here, but I'm looking at the rest of the offense, wondering where some more meaningful production's coming from. They've gotten good Zach Hertz through a couple of games. Again, there's something dynamic really after the catch for him. I don't know that he has that in the cards or in his pocket, but he's gotten open. He's gotten himself a couple of catches in traffic. So I don't know where the big plays are coming from in the past game all that often. If it's not, you know, Echler in the short intermediate, make it some moves. Maybe Noah Brown. Maybe, or you got to play a pool of gadget play or something or just get a guy open. Aldrick Robinson style, you know, where you hit play action and you went to the top. But yeah, I don't know that those chunks necessarily are going to be what they major in because as you've pointed out, it's just right now in the league, the trend. And it's two games. Everyone's making these massive declarations about two weeks of football that, you know, the whole league has changed. We'll see. I think the good quarterbacks are still going to be good and the bad ones are still going to be bad. But clearly defenses are trying to make teams go on long drives. We initially saw this against the Chiefs a couple of years ago when nobody had an answer. And so you started playing cover two with your safeties deep and you kept everything underneath because the idea is I'd rather them have to go on a 12 play drive when the refs are looking for holding penalties and hands to the face and the fall starts going to get you behind the sticks. The other thing that's happening around the league, I think, is I think passrushers on the interiors, especially a detackle, are getting better and better, more explosive, quicker with size, maybe even on the edges at defensive end as well. And that's been a factor in some of the numbers being down. But I'm with you. I don't think they're going to be a prolific passing team with this personnel. We knew that this offseason, that hasn't changed. But I think Earth is the vertical threat. In that 15 to 20 area, he hit on two completions to Earth's this past week. That should be there almost every single week. It's it's the old remember the 2012 offense. They should have that basically that read option, play action, drift to Pierre Garçon whenever they want it. We have not seen any of those yet. The closest thing we've seen was the Noah Brown catch yesterday but like where is Terry McLaren on a 17 yard square in when the linebackers suck up because you've slammed off the line of scrimmage, keeping the ball on read options a couple of times. Or Brian Robinson's been a battering ram downhill. What's the thing you feel worst about through two games? - It may be that passing game. Like I know the, I know what the easy answer is and I'll save it for you. But to me, I just, it's nice. That was fun. You beat up the Giants that way. You thumped it down their throat. That's great. There are too many decent defenses. There are too many times where you're going to have to do something in the past game where I just don't know that they have and I don't think they have it. I don't think they have that gear. It worked yesterday. I mean, you saw on the clutch drive, you already mentioned a couple of good throws to Arts, the one the Noah Brown that stands out because that's their long for the season. But I just don't know sustainably, it's going to be third and seven sometimes. Can you throw north of the sticks and convert for a first out? I don't think they have the receiving talent to do it. I don't think they've got the offense that's designed to do it to what you really need to do in this league both in terms of competing with some of the better football teams or in certain kinds of games that the script gets away from you and in terms of Daniel's development. I think this is, you were sort of cursed here to if you can win this way this week, I don't know if that's going to, you're doing that seven, eight, nine more times. I don't see it. They might be able to, but he's going to have to stay in the pocket like he did in the second half. They won throwing the football in the second half of the game against the Giants. Now they're going to play better defenses with better personnel, but that was the first time he really gave the passing game a true chance to work downfield in any way. If the first half, if you go back, first sign of discomfort, first sign of, you know, a lot of it was RPO and immediate throws at the line of scrimmage in the early going, first driver or two. But even as the rest of the half went on, if my first guy's not there, then here we go, moles down and I'm headed up field. And a few times he got stopped behind the line for sacks on those. But I think in the second half, it was like the game slowed down, it seemed like. I wonder if any part of it was the hit he took too, by the way. Do you think that when he got the wind knocked out of him and he missed the play, it seemed to me like, and I'm working back from the results. So my evidence is the outcome. I'm seeing what I want to. But I think there is something to, after he took that hit, he ran less and he threw more. And for the first time in two games, he just stayed in the pocket and wanted to throw the football. Do you think there is a causation there or do you think it's coincidental? - It's hard for me to say because I mean, there was that read option called late that he ran really well on the game punching drive. - Yeah, but everyone always wants to make it 0-100. I'm not saying he should never run. I'm just saying, we all watch the game. - I'm not saying that either. - I guess either major in passing or major in running. And for six quarters, he majored in running. And then the last two quarters after that hit, for the first time, he was a thrower first. - I think it's impossible to ignore is what I would say. I don't know if it's direct causation. I would also wonder, did the Giants do something different? Coverage-wise? - That's what I don't know. - Then I don't have an answer to that. I know in the first half, when I think it was Coleman, got just annihilated by Thibodeau for a clean, easy blast on Daniels for what women a sack if it wasn't eliminated by some penalty away from the football, that had nothing to do with that. You know, I'm wondering what I've wanted to take off more after that happened early in the game. You know what I mean? I don't know. It's one of those things where you give 'em credit because this is what happened. And these are positive things. But what causes lead to that? I think it's so hard for us to say. But it's impossible to ignore. He leaves the game, gets the wind knocked out. I'm getting crunched on kind of a dead play. And the next thing you know, he's a lot more, you know, moving the throw instead of moving the move. - I did not have a huge problem with that play where he got hurt, by the way. It was a third and 13. He was going for a first down and he got 14. Having said that, it's early in the game. That's a pick your spots moment. Punting there is not the end of the world. Just getting down and sliding and not getting that first down, that early in the game is not a deal breaker. If he gets hit the same way he did, and instead of losing his breath, you know, let's just say he cracks a rib and he's out for three weeks or something, that's a devastating blow to your development. So, you know, I was listening to the junkies discourse on this today and most of the room, certainly Cakes and EB were team. I'm not worried about him getting hurt. It's part of the game. I'm paraphrasing now, but like, run. I don't care if he slides, go get me first downs, go get me touchdowns. I think that's, I'm guessing they were doing a bit anyway and kind of being fun and entertaining, but I just think that's silly. That's not in any way what should be the coaching point here. - That you mean silly. A little bit sour though. - But also a little bit silly. And I think they were being funny. I think they were having a good time with it. But I don't know what you thought on that play. To me that if that's winning time and the fourth quarter in the games on the line, we're playing football, no problem. Early in the game, we don't need to take that shot. And we're two games in. He's taking two really big hits. He's already missed a play. He was on the sideline and Driscoll was in the game. So people can do there. He's tough. He's a dog though. You're overreacting all they want to. I'm just pointing to the information. You can watch it or not. The first game, helmet to helmet hit. If the concussion checker wanted to send them to the blue tent, they could have. They chose not to luckily. But Driscoll would have been in for the rest of that drive. And then in this game, he literally couldn't take a snap for the first time in his career already. And that happened six drives in. - Yeah. I mean, so it's sometimes it's the price you pay 'cause you have the player. In other words, if you're the Colts, you're going to have to live with Anthony Richardson turning it over sometimes on some egregious throws or running into traffic or whatever. If you're the Bills, you got Josh Allen who's gonna try to knock over 17 different dudes. And sometimes he might try to extend the ball for a touchdown and he fumbles. You're gonna have some of those moments but you make that trade, right? So that's one of those where I'm going. I would love for him to get down and just be available forever. I just want him healthy and that's what I'm totally nervous and scared about. But I understand that you have to let him be himself at certain points. The ones that I can't stand as we talked about in week one, if we're kind of going down this road, are you're down by 30 or whatever. It's 25 points with a minute left and we're having him dive to the end zone, trying to break through three different tackles. - But how am I interested in that? - That's what I can't do. - You're putting the first half scramble into the category of, "Hey, he's got to go make a play." Does he? - I'm there? - No, let me be clear about it. If it's up to me, he gets down. But I'm kind of going, - You're kind of punting. - I'm gonna close my eyes and pray, every time he moves around that he's gonna be okay. 'Cause it's like-- - There's gonna be a time where he's not, but I get the point. And also, I kind of am there as well, where it's like, we could talk about it 'til we're blue in the face. It ain't changing. I mean, just so we're all on the same page. They don't seem that interested in making sure it changes, coaching it up. And this is how he played in high school and in college and in the pros. And he's stayed healthy. And you just knock on wood and hope that he can. But if you want to talk about it, go for it, fine. I don't mean you specifically, but whoever's listening. - But this is what it is. He is going to take hits and you just hope he has mostly been able to be slippery enough to avoid anything that's been overly costly. - Do you remember the run? I wanna say it was in the first half when he cut back and got a few extra yards. - Yeah, right at the sideline? - Yeah, that's not the play you got heard on, but there was a play that was like that, where he's out running. - Yeah, like four yards. - Yeah, and I'm kind of going, everybody in the stadium's clapping. Probably 96% of the people at home were clapping. There's a small percentage of us that are going, that's how it happens. - Oh, yeah. - That is exactly how it's going to happen. That's how it happened to you know who in 2012? It, like, that's cool. I love first downs too. I'm excited to watch the kid do it, but God, it's just running at risk. - The part that he is just the overly comfortable, like the, I don't have time for you guy that's like, it's tackle football. This is how it's done. As if Russell Wilson didn't slide his entire career, Lamar Jackson hasn't protected that barrel roll thing. Like he does not often get hit, like Jayden got hit last week, helmet to helmet. You watch Lamar as much as you want to. You are not going to see that direct shot to the ribs for Lamar Jackson very often. 'Cause he's figured it out. Like he's figured, he uses the sideline as well as anybody at this point, but he gets down, he falls, he lunges. It's two times in two games. And again, I'm kind of over it at this point. Like it is what it is. It's just going to be baked into it part of it. Because I think it'd be hypocritical for me to say, like it's hard for me to want him to run, which I do. I don't think he should run as much as he has. But then to also feel like he can't take any contact, you always have to get down. I just, you got to try to avoid the big ones. It's just hard to know when those are coming. And yesterday, second game, he's already missed a snap. Not a complete coincidence. But I really do believe it changed how he played the rest of the game in a really good way. Because in the second half, he was basically the fat though pocket passer. It was the first time we've seen that. And I thought he made the right throws and the right reads and he just looked good. And if we could get that more often with the running just supplemented out every now and then, I think you've got a potential star and that's kind of what we're all hoping for. - So we're looking for you. - Double play comes your way next on GNDL. 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You know, with on the backside, four plays, nine in a row, before plays throughout the game. When neighbors is by himself, either tied to the formation or far from the formation, he's going to come across your face. We need to man zone that or zone man it, but when he causes the middle linebacker's face, somebody's got to go with him, so he's not by himself. There won't even even picks on those plays. Well, on the one at the end there, Vic, thanks, St. Juice did get rubbed. He got picked and kind of knocked off of his sprint. And so he was several steps behind neighbors. And that was the last one. He was beat anyhow. It's a bad plan to have a corner in man covering that guy on a drag on a crossing route at the line of script. That will not ever work. There's not a corner in the league. I don't think that would defend that play. So to his point, and I think that's what Vic's getting to, is you need help. You need someone to crack him. You need someone to actually drop and make that a more difficult situation where he's got to navigate traffic and they really didn't have a lot of that in terms of answers back to Daniels more importantly, because more than the defensive woes at this point, his development is key. This was a much better game than game one. There's no doubt. And by the way, it wasn't like game one was awful. I mean, I'm just saying like game one was kind of schoolyard running around making plays. There was no real structure to the passing offense. The second half of this game, it looked like an NFL passing offense. So that's a linear progression. It's not going to be a staircase every single game that's unrealistic to ask. But there's clear growth. That's all you can ask for. I'll disagree a little bit on the Kingsbury in this game, because I thought he was really good with what he called. Some of this stuff he did to help Jaden. The early part of the game maybe he didn't like with all the screens, those are RPOs. I mean, that is, I think those are largely Daniels decisions and they guessed right because they were getting first downs. They were moving the ball. But if you go back and watch that, and I'm sure Vic has, you know, a lot of those are run pass options. But you can either give the ball, pull it, and throw it out to the army on the screen, pull it, throw it. You know, the McLaren screen initially for a loss, that negative play, that's a design wide receiver screen. But it's the first play of the game. You're throwing the McLaren. It's what we were screaming for all the long. Yeah, and it's what I would do, by the way. And I'm not qualified to be an OC. I don't know all the terminology. But if I'm designing an offense early, I'm doing that. It's basically like if you're in a boxing match, you punch the other guy in the stomach a bunch of times. You probably don't get knockouts that way. You don't end fights that way unless you get the, you know, the perfect shot on a kidney or something like that. But you're wearing them down. They get tired of giving up four, five, six, seven, having to weave through traffic. Lyman have to pursue. Safety's have to come down and deal with tight ends that are out there blocking or, you know, cornerbacks have to make plays. So then they start to sit on that. That's when I start my counters. That's when I start my play action. That's when I get my double moves, which they dialed up, by the way, with Noah Brown beat the, not out of his guy, which would have been a touchdown having up in pressure. So that's what I like that to start things. You show that. No, you're going to do stuff off of it. Oscar and silver spring. You're on Grant and Danny. What's up, Oscar? Hey, you don't grant any. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I like, I like how they use Echler and B-Rob in the backfield at the same time. I thought that was real key. They didn't do that last week. It looked, it looked like last week. It looked like too much of a like Scott Turner type offense. But this week, I mean, this week they really, they really ground, they really pounded the ball. They have to establish that running game that they want to be successful. You know, the activation of Noah Brown, I mean, that one clutch catch, that one clutch catch he had, I mean. There you go. Two changes. I think you, you dropped. Sorry. They made basically two big roster changes this week. Noah Brown activated. He made an immediate impact. He was the biggest in cyber to made the seven field goals and played hero and was the biggest reason why they won with that right leg. Can't ask for much better results immediately than that. One change I would make this week and they did in game anyway. Ighbanogany over Davis on the outside. This is going to be a tough match up with the Bengals regardless with Joe Burrow as an upgrade from Daniel Jones. Not many guys could coverage Lamar Chase as it is. I'll say this though. Lamar Chase has not played at the level that Malik neighbors did this past week. I'm not saying he can't get there this week. I didn't have an off season because he's at odds with that staff because he's busy throwing temper tantrums on the sideline and slamming his helmet and taking penalties. He has not played like that yet. If you look at his numbers, he's just been okay. This is probably his get going 15 target 11 catch game or something. It was like a breakout week. Like that, but I'm not excited for the Ighbanogany versus Jamar Chase matchup or St. Juice for that matter to travel with him. I don't think that would be the best play either, but he's certainly their best corner. So maybe that's what they do. Maybe they just do. If they're there, Rivera and his crew said BSJ, you're following Justin Jefferson around the field. I guess it was two seasons ago that they could do that. Just tell them to be physical, grab them and see where that gets them. Yeah. Take a few little contact penalties, you know, where you got home in this afternoon. What'd you do for Sunday night football? Anything good? Nothing special we had. Actually, I will say this. We were obviously at home for whatever reason. The wife said we're going to have a football meal. She's in her fall cooking time, which is the best time. We had wings. They were from Wegmans and they were fantastic. One wings and the little black sleeve. Yeah. One set of Old Bay. Yeah. One set of irregular Buffalo situation with some nice spice on there. And she also made chili. I love Wegmans wings. So I got a call when I was leaving the stadium yesterday for my wife saying just a reminder, like we did last year, you're in charge of dinner on Sunday nights. There we go. Big, big win for me. Uh-huh. Traffic was terrible coming back across the bridge. No. That's crazy for people because only stadiums in Virginia have traffic. But coming from the X back to Virginia, uh, took twice as long as getting there did traffic from when I got on the beltway to when I got across the Woodrow Wilson bridge and weirdly in Virginia, everything opened up and it was awesome. I don't know why. Um, so that was interesting. But I tell you this, Danny, to tell you, I didn't pop ice. By the time I got home, I didn't really want to order takeout or anything. Oh. So I just swung through, got some chicken, uh, tenders, some chicken sandwiches. We did pop ice. Felt great about that choice. Any sides going there? Or do you guys, or do you know how many sides? I did match potatoes. She did fries. Yep. No biscuits. Any biscuits? Come on. They come with the meals. Yeah, they do. One biscuit apiece. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Beltway blitz is next on Grant and Danny on the teams you care the most about 425. What is wrong with Joe Witt's defense? 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As promised, 10th caller right now at 800-636-1067. Congrats, you're winning two tickets to HF Festival. This Saturday, September 21, and that's park featuring the Postal Service. Death Cab for Cutie, Incubus Bush, Garbage, Jimmy Eat World, so much more. It's going to be a great day, a great show at the ballpark. For tickets and more event information, go to thefandc.com/events courtesy of INP. We'll be giving these tickets away all week long right here on Grant and Danny at 4 o'clock. It is time for your blitz. We'll cover the NFL and the commanders coming up, but let's start on the diamond. How about James Wood yesterday? While you were watching football, he was going deep, not once, but twice his first-ever two-homer game. Our Nat Speed Reporter is Craig Heist, who was at the park. Heisty, how about that James Wood performance? Well, it was incredible. He had slumped off a little bit, Grant, but he went back to doing what he does so well, and that's hit the ball the opposite way. Those two home runs into that red porch area out there in left-center field. He gets a lot of elevation on his fly balls, and he hits the ball hard. Skip Schumacher, the manager of the Marlins afterwards, just talked about those two home runs and said, "Just what a superstar this kid's going to be." And ever since he's got up here, he's done really nothing to disappoint anybody. I think his defense is getting a little bit better in left field, too. Heisty, important start for Mackenzie Gore. Looked to have turned a corner. I really, you know, end of August started September, kind of a clunky start against Atlanta and a bad loss for the team. So listen, this isn't the 27 Yankees that he's going through, talking about the Marlins, but still shoved it on them. I thought that was a big deal. Well, and a big deal specifically, Danny, after having a 31 pitch first inning yesterday, and then he winds up giving up the owner and run on the air in the third. But he settled in and went six strong, and Dave Davey Martinez exactly what he needs to, and he's going to be a big part of this going forward, as all of those young pitchers are. Craig Heist, our Nat Speed Reporter, 106-7, the fan. What questions do you want answered? What are you locking in on down the stretch for the Nationals just a few weeks to play here? Well, there are three games who are three wins away from having a better record than they did last year. So that's one thing. The second thing is, you know, once they get out of the camp, the Marlins series yesterday, the rest of the way, the last two weeks of the season, they're going to be playing teams that are really playing for something. And it'll be interesting to see how they do against these teams, because they won the season series against the Braves. They absolutely clobbered the Marlins this year, but now they go up against the Mets, the next three nights at City Field, and the Mets have pretty much had their numbers, so we'll see what happens there. And then also the Phillies come here the final weekend of the series of the season. So, again, some good baseball to be played between now and the end, and against good teams. And we'll see how they handle it. Hi, Steve. Thank you, buddy. Have a great week. You got it. We will see you, my friend. Hit that NFL sounder. Becky else, Nick Ashew, also our dreamboat, our local handsome man who smells terrific, great hair, and he makes eye contact, and he melts a little bit inside when he does. Biggest surprise for you through week number two is... The New England Patriots. They look like a capable football team. I'm not going to say they're going to go out there and win 7-8 games this year. I don't think that's going to happen, but we spent a lot of time. Myself included. Just got to make them fun of them. Looking at that roster. Now, granted, they can't really throw the football at all. It's going to be a lot of running, and it's going to be a lot of defense from them. But, I mean, the fact that they beat the Bengals, week one, the Bengals looked like a much better team, at least against the Chiefs, yesterday. And then on top of that, you're sitting there and looking at them going to overtime against Seattle. I mean, they look like an actual football team that's going to play hard for their coach, and, I don't know, be relatively respectable. I know that's maybe not the highest bar, but man, the narrative around the Patriots before this year was, hey, they might win two games, and I guess they still could, but they're going to play damn hard in the process. Yeah, I've been impressed by that defense, especially, and their first-year head coach, who I think I was wrong about, and it just seemed like he didn't know he was doing in the preseason. But, so far, so good. I'll be curious to see, too, if they hang the way they have when they turn things over to Drake May, who's their best quarterback in the building. He admitted that May outplayed Brissette. You know, it's one thing if you're just worried about his development, but at some point, if you feel like a couple more plays per game can get you these wins, you know, if they could stick to their guns there. I'm really interested in this one o'clock kickoff on Sunday between the Chargers and the Steelers. It's like Jim Harbaugh just finds ways, man. He's already 2-0. If they can knock off Pittsburgh on the road, they'd be off to a 3-0 start in the West. The Steelers, with Justin Fields accidentally starting, have won both of their games as well. One of those teams is going to be undefeated going into Week 4. Yeah, and it just shows you, first off, the Steelers play in the division. I think we knew that was going to be chaotic and a little bit unpredictable to start. And here they are. It's, once again, Mike Tom would get the most out of his team with a question marks the quarterback through the first two games of the year. But, yeah, that's the thing, man. Like, Jim Harbaugh, everywhere he goes, he wins, and he gets the most out of teams pretty much right away. And it's just, it's really remarkable how quickly he can change the culture within a building, whether it's the college or the NFL level. And for all the narratives about, you know, college coaches not being able to coach in the NFL, Harbaugh goes to both levels back and forth and has success in both of those spots. I mean, Justin Herbert, they had to check out an injury and looks like he's going to be okay, so they're not really worried about anything and more with that. But, you know, I'd expect both of these teams to run the hell out of the football. I mean, let's be real here. J.K. Davins is in the perfect spot with the Chargers. Now, Jim Harbaugh is going to run him like he ran Blake Korman in Michigan. He's going to get a ton of carries. And he's somebody that's going to put up probably those numbers every single week. Had he not gotten hurt in Baltimore, probably would have seen something similar, even though the Ravens obviously like to rotate through running back a little bit more. But, it just feels like he's a perfect fit with the Chargers. And Jim Harbaugh's turned that thing around real quick. Then again, the bar is pretty low, considering what we saw from the end of the brand Staley era with the Chargers, too, where everybody just gave up and everybody was hurt. And I gave up on the season completely. So, you know, I say that wasn't too hard to at least make them respectable, too. Nicholas, you mentioned the Ravens. I was pretty bullish on them. And nothing changed for me after week one where they're, you know, a shoe size away from tying the game later, maybe taking the lead and winning in Kansas City, still felt very good about them. That's an ugly loss in week number two that I don't usually associate with the Ravens. Am I, should I reevaluate my view on Baltimore being that division champion? I think you and I both have to, because I still like the Ravens coming in this year, too. And a lot of it, to me, was respect for that organization and their ability to find the next guy up, right? I know it's kind of a cliche, but, you know, they had a lot of turnover on both sides of the football, but three new starters on the offensive line, it's been a problem. We've seen, I mean, obviously, not as much running for the more Jackson week two as we got week one. But, you know, defensively, there's still question marks there, too, with some new faces there. And I was doing my show Sunday from National Harbor. And, you know, I was doing it with PJ Glasser, who is a die-hard Ravens fan. And he told me, he said, "Do not take the Ravens in this." And I said, "This is a bounce-back spot for the Ravens." I was wrong. I think we all may have to reevaluate what's going on in Baltimore right now, because we expect year after year for that team to be in contention. Even when they have injuries, we're still looking at them as a playoff team. It does not feel that way right now. Nicholas, speaking of surprise teams, the only team in the NFC North that has won both of its games is the Minnesota Vikings with Sam Darnold at quarterback. He was excellent in week one. Week two highlighted by a 97-yard touchdown pass to Justin Jefferson. But Brian Flores has been dynamic on the back end. They really turned it around last year defensively under Flores. And Darnold's played awesome. They're 2-0, Kevin O'Connell, front runner for Coach of the Year. And I think that's the key right there is Kevin O'Connell and him being able to get the most out of quarterbacks. I mean, we saw when Kirk Cousins went down last year and how he just maximized the talent of every single quarterback that's filled in for cousins. And Sam Darnold is in the perfect spot to succeed, whether that's just this season or it's maybe longer than expected. Kevin O'Connell has proven that he can get the most out of quarterbacks. We're getting that, but you're right. Brian Flores on the other side. Guy loves the blitz. He makes life hell for the posing quarterbacks. And this Vikings team is a good team, but you're right. It does also help to have, you know, Justin Jefferson out, parent wide receiver too. Thanks, Nick, you're handsome. I love you guys. See you, buddy. I love you in that way also. Hit that local 53 sounder. Our guy Nick Agrich, PFF joins us to break down Washington. Would you make big picture, Nick, of that win at home? No touchdowns, but they got W. Yeah, a bit of a mix bag, both offensive and defensive. I mean, I think obviously they move the ball well. I love the run game. I thought that was really, really effective, and it's kind of a complete flip on what we saw last year. You know, screens aren't my favorite thing in the world, but there's a lot of screens there. But, you know, Cliff had a plan. It kind of opened up some stuff, you know, later on in the game. And I think in the second half, we saw the, you know, the sort of more intermediate passing game kind of showed up. And, you know, then on the defensive side, you got, again, a bit of a mixed bag. I mean, I think coverage-wise, they were much better. You know, defensively, it was a bit better. You know, there were still some kind of, you know, run fit errors and some missed tackles. But overall, step in the right direction. As far as your guys grading in, or just your eyes, who did you think shined yesterday? Give us some names and some players you really liked. Bobby Wagner was a big one. Kind of seemed like he was, you know, back to old, old-school Bobby Wagner there with, you know, making a bunch of tackles, kind of right at or around the line of scrimmage, beating a ton of blocks. You know, just never being in the wrong position. He was a big one there. Noah Brown, obviously, in kind of a limited role. Stepped up, only 20 snaps, but, you know, still came away with a 73.3 overall grade, which actually led the offense. So those are kind of the two big ones. They're obviously Brian Robinson kind of came in, you know, a lot of rushing yards, you know, maybe not as many missed tackles, which is kind of why the grade is a little bit lower than usual, but, you know, still great, great game all around for them. Nick, I'm a parent. And when you get that first letter home from the teacher about like your kid misbehaving in class, or maybe they're falling behind him with long division or something like that, that's when you're concerned. That letter was set home like seven months ago about the secondary. Like we're past concern. I'm now resigned that they're not going to be able to stop anybody at any point in time. Is my assessment correct there or is there a fix coming? Yeah, I'm kind of in the same, I'm kind of in the same boat with you there. You know, there's only so much you can do and sometimes you just don't have the dude. Sometimes you just don't have the people there that can, you know, really step up and make the plays. And there's just kind of, there's too many communication errors still. That's kind of been a problem with Washington secondary for the past, I don't know, four or five years now. And that kind of still seems to happen. Anytime there's sort of a bunch formation, there's some sort of motion going on. They just kind of lose track of who's responsible for who and saw that on that touch down there close to the end. But, yeah, sometimes you just don't really have the guys. I mean, I think St. Jude's probably played his best game in a very long time, but there were still some issues there. Yeah, I think it's going to be rough, I think it's going to be rough all year. But I think if you can kind of, you know, tone down with some of just the mental errors that has nothing to do with your ability, then I think you can see just a bit of an uptick. Where would PFF have a guy like Terry McClellan coming into this season? There was a time where the consensus on him was, you know, he's a top 20 wide receiver in football. It's a slow start again for him this year. But I can't help but think when I'm watching other games, like, I know Jefferson and Hill and Chase and Lamb and Brown, those guys are in a league of their own, right? But then even that next tier down with guys like Garrett Wilson and Nico Collins or a Murray Cooper or something, that was kind of the tier he's been in around 15th. But now with Marvin Harrison, like he can't do what Malik neighbors did yesterday or a waddle or maybe even like a, I don't know, a Chris Olave, these are all guys that have over them. Where are we at on Terry? Yeah, I mean, it's tough, you know, especially for our great. A lot of it is dependent on quarterback play. And a lot of, you know, wide receiver production is obviously dependent on quarterback play. And we all know he hasn't had great quarterback play in the past. And, you know, multiple offenses for him. And again, these are a lot of excuses. And I kind of, you know, am in the same boat with, you know, recently it has started to take down a little bit. But, you know, if you're watching the film like he is, he's getting open. Like there were a couple shots, not only in the week one, but in this past week that they just didn't hit for whatever reason, but he's open. I mean, I think there isn't chance for enough to take in production. I just, you know, it's tough with a rookie quarterback kind of coming in brand new offense again. And even with Clist kind of style of offense, it's going to be low, you know, kind of area yards. And yeah, I think it's just kind of going to be a tough offense for him to sort of fit in. But I think if you can maximize those deep shots, again, he's open and you just got to get it to him. So Nick, I'm just a football fan. I like watching the game on television like everybody else. I try to read as much as I can from smart people like you and sort of figure out what it is that I'm seeing to quantify it. But help us and our listeners understand what was the difference there in that second half in terms of the passing game, right? We're all of a sudden stuff was kind of open, that in-breaker to know a brown for big chunk on that final drive. But some couple things kind of in between the hash marks that didn't look like it was either there or being looked for or otherwise and through the first six quarters of the season, what was different in that second half for the passing game? Yeah, it was a bit of, you know, Jane being more decisive and being kind of quicker with where he wanted to go with the ball. And it was also a bit of, you know, Clist game plan in the first half opening up stuff in the second half. You know, a lot of those RPO game stuff is, you know, essentially there to kind of set up stuff later on. And that's how you got, you know, that seam right up in the middle, it got called back because of the downfield, an eligible downfield. And you get other things that kind of opened up because of that and because of the run game they had. So the first half stuff, although, you know, it was not great, it did set up the second half stuff. And even in the first half, there were some plays that Jane just kind of missed and either took off to Ron or got sacked, but they were definitely played there. And again, I think it just kind of came down to just a quicker decision from the quarterback. Much appreciate the time as always, Nick. Thank you, buddy. Yep. You guys have a good one. You got it. PFF.com is where you can find his work. Let's get into the defense next. We've talked a lot about the offense. What is going on with his defense and why is it playing as poorly as it has through two games? Do you think there's a fix coming? What is going to be different in the near future because this was the Daniel Jones led giants. Next week, it's burrow in the bangles. You got the one out of 30 yard, two touchdowns in one quarter tandem of Marvin Harrison Jr. and Kyler Murray after that. They got to get right. They got to get right quick. And they're doing it now down the depth chart going to their third boundary corner to start outside opposite juice. You're listening to GND. GND. GND. GND. GND. GND. GND. GND. 800-636-1067 is the number on the MGM National Harbor listener lines. This defense has really scuffled through a couple of games. Yesterday, the personnel, you're going against gave you a shot to get right. And though Washington was better in the second half, the first half was still problematic. In fact, 11 drives into the season going into the second half yesterday. Nine scoring drives against Washington's defense and six touchdowns. Ultimately, thanks to only 22 minutes time of possession in only 51 plays, that's about as low a play count as you're going to see. Because Washington ran 70 plays, possessed the football, drove the ball all day long into the red zone six times, got their seven field goals. They kept the defense off the field, but yet still defensively, here were the results of drives. Seven plays 53 yards touchdown, five plays 31 yards punt, 10 plays 70 yards touchdown. Two out of three to start the game, then the Giants came out from the half and were moving immediately. Four plays 40 yards on Washington side of the field. They pick up another first down. And that's when St. Choose had the big peanut punch. Danny, that was the game changer. Then they forced the fumble. So on two drives, seven plays in the third quarter, even though the Giants averaged almost six yards of play, they went three and out and turned the ball over. That quarter saved Washington's bacon. Yeah, they're right back at the bottom of the league in terms of yards per play. You look at the passing yards allowed, passing yards per play, passing yards per drop back. Any metric that you want, Washington is where it has been. And what was especially concerning to me this past week or really yesterday was how good New York was at running the ball against them. Because last year it was like it wasn't of Washington was good in that department. I think it was four and a half yards per carry. They were ranked kind of in the teens in terms of Russia attempts. But every rush attempt against them was a favor. They were so bad against the past. Anytime a team didn't call a pass, I'm quietly pumping my fist, knowing that it's not going to go for double digit yards, it seems. Again, when you drop back against Washington, you were the MVP of the league. That's how bad it was last year. And they're well on their way to that same pace. Again, they're only saved, frankly, by the fact that York was so good at running the ball against him. But you know what's just inexcusable? If I get beat by Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, I can get in line with a lot of other teams that are going to have that problem. Chris Godwin ate the Lions lunch yesterday. The Bucks actually beat the Lions by the way, 20 to 16. Evans was much more quiet. Mayfield was just okay, but they won that game. The Giants lining up and bullying me with Devin Singletary after he did almost nothing against the Vikings one week earlier just does not sit right. You know how limited they are. It's neighbors and pray for rain, right? I mean, that's the weaponry. That guy went for 10 and about 27 and a touchdown. And you know, it's Singletary and nothing else. They gave one other carry to anyone else on the team. No jet action, no endarounds, no gadget stuff, nothing wide. They gave Tracy one carry. It was just Singletary downhill and it wasn't that unique. There was nothing overly interesting about how they were doing it. It was just a dive straight ahead, 16 for 95 and a touchdown. Yeah, what a mystery to it. And I don't know, man, it's one of those things where it's so complicated. There's so many moving parts. I don't know what everyone was asked to do on a given play. I don't know what the scheme is or what the design is or, you know, what the goal was or what they were calling based on what they thought New York would call or tendencies that went company observed with day bowl and if they were going against type and doing something really smart, I mean, there's a million to one things that I'll never have access to or understand. I know this. And this is my point always when we talk about the league or talk about what my team is doing versus the rest of the league. What's happening everywhere else and everywhere else that's going a lot better than it is here. It's them and the Rams basically at the bottom after the Rams got shell at yesterday by Arizona, such a dreadful performance. I don't think their Rams defense are particularly good, but they won't end up being that bad over the course. We've got a sample now where Washington's defense might be that bad over now, you know, season plus. So that's what's frustrating at the risk of like pushing back too hard. I think it's way too early to like dive into what the what everyone in the league is doing. Like Washington's a top 10 offense right now based on two games. You know what I'm saying? Are they you've watched it? Are they a top 10 offense? No, I don't think so. But to me, it's worthwhile when we start when we talk about context where it's like if when we talk about Jane Daniels, if he's been good, bad and different, whatever you want to call it. Well, let's see what everyone else is doing at this point. What our offense is doing at this point where passing totals are lower than they've been in a handful of seasons half through two weeks. Is that going to say the same? We don't know, but all we have is the sample that we have. The information helps. I mean, it's contextual. I just think it's too early to even for like big thoughts on that. But certainly in three weeks, four weeks, I'll certainly be more interested in seeing like what is the trend in the league. But yeah, right now through eight quarters. Here's what we got. We can use all the intel we can get. But Washington defensively to your point is 29th in yards per play San Francisco theoretically, a really good defense is below them. You mentioned the Rams. I don't know. I mean, is the Niners defense bad? I bet it's just that they had a couple of bad matchups or something that didn't go their way. I just know that it's too easy right now for quarterbacks, for playmakers. Where is the pass rush against Daniel Jones? That should be a feeding frenzy. He comes into that game without confidence. Worried about being benched. If you can force him into an early bad decision, the Boo Birds of the Giants fans that are there with your own booze are coming out. He's in his own head. Dables now calling things differently. They couldn't do it. Same as like not taking advantage when Graham Ganno got hurt. You're kicker. And by the way, that was a malpractice. We've not talked about this, but I'll bet you Dables getting destroyed in New York today. Do you know the Ganno situation at all? And how that played out? I mean, just that he got hurt on the opening kickoff. Right. But did you hear the backstory there? No. Oh, it's crazy. Graham Ganno got hurt on Saturday at practice, pulled his groin. Okay. He was added to the injury report, was listed questionable, had to test it out before the game, game time decision. Then before the game, supposedly, he felt something and they had to go back into the locker room and basically re-wrap his groin because he was in pain. They have another kicker that they could have elevated to play in the game. I didn't realize that. Not to. They actually played a man short. So not only was that crazy, but then you made the decision not to on Saturday night or whatever. Fine. On Sunday, he works out and they could have had the punter handle the kickoff. It's like he's done it and is capable of it. And they said, "No, we'll have Ganno handle the kickoff." So while he's chasing down Echler on the opening kickoff, he pulls his groin. And that's the kind of stuff that when you're an embattled coach, ends up being thrown into the pile. Is it so controllable that you can't do this? This could get you fired stuff. So they were skewering Dable after the game about that. But anyway, getting back to the point at hand, I guess for me, defensively, in the same way that you couldn't take advantage of them not having a kicker by just forcing third down stops and making them make decisions that aren't ideal on fourth down. They never got them to that point. I just need you to play the run and make Daniel Jones beat you. And they just opted not to. I don't know what the plan was or why they didn't. It's not like they were putting extra bodies on neighbors. But that is a stacked the box. Single Terry's not beating me. Daniel Jones has to. It's exactly what Minnesota did. And the Giants couldn't move the ball and looked like crap. And Washington that didn't seem like their plan or if it was, they executed it very, very poorly. Yeah, there's, to me, there's two glaring weaknesses here. And there's only so much you can scheme up with that at this day and age or this day and age rather. I think the defensive ends or whoever's going to be bringing pressure away from the interior is not really capable of winning one on one. And every defense that's good with the occasional exception, like, I don't know how many stars Tennessee has through two games. Their defense has been outstanding. But for the most part, you're going to have a guy where if he's alone, if he's one on one, that dude's going to win and disrupt the play. Right? Like that, that is almost like the industry standard. They don't have that at this stage. So it's pretty easy to deal with them. Right? If you cause have enough traffic up front so that pain or John Allen can't win or you, you know, you roll people out or enough play action or enough things that kind of divert attention away from them. You're not afraid of Fowler or Farrell or, you know, game of Davis, if he's ever active again or baptized or any of these other guys. And then you combine that with quarterbacks that quite simply are not good enough to cover some of the great receivers that they're going to be playing against on a semi weekly basis. There's, there's your recipe right there. If you can't cover, at least you can't get home. That's kind of where it seems to me. I just don't excuse the early defensive performance the same way I will offense where I've got a new coordinator with a rookie quarterback trying to figure this thing out together. And it's really, really hard to play quarterback in this league. And it's even harder when you're a kid. See Caleb Williams last night. See what Bo Nix has done. They're two games, right? Jaden Daniels. Eight quarters in has been the best of those three pretty decidedly, I would say decisively better than those other two. I'm not saying defense isn't easy or that Joe Whit has just some walk in the park yawning to figure out all the answers. But they handpicked most of the guys playing on this defense. I talked about this last week, but even to a greater extent because Forbes was out. Michael Davis was in this week. They give us these flip cards, right? And basically as you're watching the game, it gives you your roster with all the information, height, weight, college, you went to all that stuff. And on the flip card, the starting 11 that was listed with Davis in for Forbes, eight of the 11 were new. Chosen by Dan Quinn and Joe Whit theoretically. I'm not saying it's the guys they would choose with unlimited funds, although they pretty much had unlimited funds. But the guys they chose this off season. Eight of the 11 starters on the on the flip card yesterday knew their choice. The guys they said are these are fits for our system. These are commanders, tag players, whatever they want to call it. These are guys that do it our way. They're going to arrive violently. Eight of 11 of the other three Alan and Payne pro bowlers were too. So you can't tell me like, Oh, you guys left us with these terrible players. The only starter on that flip card of the 11 players yesterday. That was a holdover from the previous regime was Benjamin St. Juice, who by the way, I would make the case had the most impactful game of anybody on the defense. Yesterday with the one takeaway and three pass breakups. I thought he was actually really, really good. But my point is it's not that good of an excuse to say, Oh, Rivera is the personnel's terrible. What eight of 11 men 10 of 11 are pro bowlers or your guys. I'm not asking them to be top five. I'm not asking them to take games over and dominate. You can't be one of the worst in the league, which through two games, they have been. That's always my stance. It's not a big ask. No, it's not. Some improvement should be expected. Also, maybe I put too much on how good Quinn is as a defensive coach and same with Joe Whit, who I think really highly of. But like when Ron or Vera came in, he's defensive minded, but I didn't think scheming X is no one. I've never been like a huge fan of his. He's a leader of mentite. It's a fact. El Rio, though, I thought could get it right. But like when you have a head coach and a coordinator, those types of guys, Danny. Maybe it's not fair. I just expect that you can figure something out. You're a defensive minded head coach and your coordinator in Joe Whit is a rock star in your building. It's not like you've got like some dude who was in college at UTEP last years and his first year as a coordinator or Joe Barry or something who only coordinated the lions when they went over the world. I just expected a lot more on that side of the ball reasonably. Yeah, to me, you know, the idea that this would be an actual good defense. I didn't see that, but improved from the bottom. Right. How much? I think was a great variable. Do they get to 21st? Do they get to 18th? That was kind of a reasonable expectation. I think that folks had without some elite players here and there. They upgrade, at least in their mind, they wouldn't got the Louvoo's, the Bobby Wagner's on short term deals to sort of buoy that talent level. But, you know, I didn't see like, okay, when Pittsburgh's got TJ Watt, that's the best defense in the sport. But they're not this bad, right? I mean, they're playing at this level. This is not what they are, right? I don't know. I certainly hoped not. I don't have a ton of confidence that the 20th ranked defense is in that room right now and they're just going to figure it out with the next few weeks. I could see fixing a lot of things with coaching. I don't know how you fix your corner problem. Remember, Peter's was on with us right before the season and the one position we kind of picked at with him was corner brought it up point blank. Like, how, what am I wrong about? How is this good enough? Corner Noah Igg binogony, who's a nickel corner playing on the outside is going to start, who was listed as the fourth outside corner at the start of training camp. It's week three and you're going up against Jamar Chase. So if Zach Taylor wants to, he can move him around and get him on Igg binogony. Throughout the game, I don't know how much better it is to have St. Houston on him. I would say better because I like St. Houston more. But my point is that's not a scheme problem. That's not a Dan Quinn problem. What bill is in Joe's? What are you supposed to do there? Let's open up the phones. 806361067. What's the fix for this defense and do you think they are better than they're playing? MGM National Harbor listener lines open on Grant and Danny. We got Jay Gruden on the show at five. Speaking of Dan Quinn, you'll hear what he had to say to reporters today. The best of his press conference at six here on the fan. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] Jay Gruden at five in 13 minutes. Dan Quinn in an hour and 15 minutes. Right at six, his press conference from earlier today. The best of what he had to say for reporters after watching the film. His team's one in one. He just got his first victory with the commanders. Josh Harris yesterday gave him a game ball and gave out a game ball to Adam Peters for his first one as a GM as well. Thought that was cool for Harris. That is neat to jump in there and get everybody's attention and pass those out. Those kinds of things we outside looking in sort of take for granted, but in their professional lives, which can be really, really fleeting and you could be thought of as a genius and then you could be out of a gig. See Mike Vable see Arthur Smith or I mean, I know he's in OC, but you know what I mean? Like you could be a guy that everybody thinks is the next hotshot, the next superstar and not have it go very well, right? So it's cool to celebrate those kind of milestones when they happen. Dan Quinn has been waiting for this opportunity as a head coach since getting fired at five games into 2020. And a lot of guys don't get a second shot. We're talking to Jay Gruden at five. You know, he came here, had some success offensively. The team, frankly, a decent success compared to his predecessors and he'll never get another shot. It doesn't look like in the league again. Sometimes you don't get that next opportunity. DQ did. And so far, he's batting 500 with a one in one record. But for Peters who's been working his whole career to become a GM yesterday was a really, really big deal. We're talking about Washington's defense, which has been very porous to this point. They allowed nine scoring drives in their first 11 series on the field this season, including six touchdowns. They rank in the bottom five in the NFL in almost every category. I don't know how you're going to fix the secondary. We talked about that. And I'm not sure where the pass rush is going to come from if Alan and Payne don't start getting to the quarterback a little more. Yeah, to me, it's about designing something for them. I don't know what that means. Like, didn't you think there would be creativity? Remember how much we heard about Frankie Louvoo can do this? And then I watched him in Carolina at the end of last year. He's lining up on one play as an offensive end, on one play as a Mike linebacker, on one play, he's standing up over top of the center in the A gap. Like he's all over the place. Where is that creativity? Jeremy Chin's a Swiss army knife. He could do this, that, this, this, he's, he's just kind of lining up in the same spot and playing. I have been strange, underwhelmed for sure, but it's been peculiar how little creativity there's been. So it's one of those things where the trend in the league is to play a certain way. Washington's doing that and they're doing the worst version of that of anybody. You follow me? The whole goal is to not give up big plays. Like, that's what defense in the league is now, right? It's going on a couple of years ago, where the best way to stop Pat Mahomes is to frustrate him by making him check it down 40 times so he can't hit you with a dagger. Well, now everybody's doing that to everybody. It's that Mike McDonald defense that is taking the league by storm and now everybody wants you to keep you in front. So you're playing vanilla, you're playing base, you're playing, you know, again, to keep everything in front of you. Well, you're doing worse at that than everybody else. So I would zig. Where's my, you know, the old school playing Madden like 95 where you just do putt rush on first down. Like the quarterback couldn't get the snap off. I mean, I'm kidding. But like, where's the, if I'm going to go down, it's not going to be playing passive. But to me, you can do that safety net against Mahomes plan. McDonald's scheme works so well. What made him famous is how it works against Shanahan scheme. It looks like early returns are pretty good, but there's nothing vanilla about it. It's aggressive. It's creative on the back end. It's misleading and can fool you, right? I mean, I don't see any of that from Washington. I wouldn't use any of those words. It's got a Peter in Wilmington listening on the Odyssey app in North Carolina. What's up, Peter? Hey guys, good show. Listen, you know, the defense is not great. We know that. But in this particular game, they kept the Giants from scoring the extra points three times, which probably changed the game. And also, they only let the Giants score 18 points, which isn't too bad. And another thing is, is that you've got to remember this is a team just starting over two games. They don't even know each other's names, Harley. Letting on just making some specialty defense. That's just not going to happen right now. And I think they'll get better. And you know, another thing that beating the Giants is a big deal. This is like, this is like the Baltimore beating the Chiefs. You know what I mean? It's like impossible. We haven't beaten the Giants. We don't do it much. No, and the thing about this, I've been watching this team for 50 years. I'm an old man. And I'm going to tell you right now, you can check it out and take a little while. But when we beat the Giants even once, we have a pretty good year. When we don't beat the Giants, we have lousy years. You can check it out. It's just one of those weird, weird things about the Giants. How close to Pittsburgh are you from Peter? Pardon me. How close to Pittsburgh are you from? Well, I was born in Pittsburgh, but I grew up in DC. I got a superpower. I got a, I got the, you got the end the doctor. I can hear a yin's in there. I appreciate the call. Thank you, buddy. I agree with you that it is early, and it's why I'm not angry yet. I am just disappointed so far. I am not throwing anything. I'm just saying I'm underwhelmed. I am surprised. I gave a lot of credit to this defensive staff. The coaches are all better than the last group. They're going to get more out of these guys that were holdovers. The guys they chose are going to be really good fits. And so far, the results just aren't very good, period. And I don't, the idea of where they're learning each other's names, no, they're not. They've been together since February and March. I mean, as clean as they will be in six months, probably not. But they've been training since April, May, you know, cousins had a quote the other day when someone talked about him not playing in the preseason, when his new offensive coordinator, Zach Robinson said they had 2000 offensive reps as a first team offense or something like that. Like they have had enough time on the grass that they should be able to do pretty basic things against a mediocre Giants offense. And so my only retort to that is this isn't a bunch of kids. They wouldn't got veterans for this express written purpose to be better early. If this was a bunch of 23 year olds that had been that had ascended or were recent draft picks, et cetera, like if there was a bunch of Immanuel Forbes's here, that would have made more sense to me, but they wouldn't got Wagner. Their core is veteran guys. Jay Gruden at the top of the hour, Dan Quinn in one hour, Grant and Danny on the fan. Thank you. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] I guess this was probably after you left Jay, but do you know about the famous hippopotamus there, Fiona? Fiona the hippo is my favorite, so she was born at like 18 pounds, and hippos are normally born at like 400 pounds, and then she was nursed to health by all of these people that work at the Cincinnati Zoo, and my wife was obsessed with her and has a bunch of t-shirts and stuff and went and visited her. But basically Fiona survived and is now a flourishing, excellent, lovely, lovely hippo with a family and everything. Wow, what a story. I'm with you Jay, I never got it, I still don't get it, and I'm amazed that anybody spent a micro second. Fiona the hippo. I'm sure the baby pigeon out there somewhere that was nursed to health too, if you want to go visit her. Dale the pigeon. I'll bet you if I find it, and I have the city my wife will go see the pigeon, you just let me know. Yeah, that's something you guys can do on your own. That's a lot. Jay, would you make a J and Daniel's yesterday, let's start there. No, he's solid, you know, it's second game and did not turn the ball over, which is critical and he's close games when your defense is playing pretty good. The other team's been struggling. You got to win these close games, and that's what happened and turnovers will kill you. Look at Will Levitz, you know, one bad turnover, and they lose the game. They had the game in hand against the Jets, but the cost of the game. So all these protecting the ball, I know everybody wants to see touchdowns in the red zone, they'll come, but just make sure we at least get points, keep the game close and try to win at the end like they did. What changed in the second half? Because that was the best he's looked by far. In terms of being willing to stay in the pocket and make throws, I thought he was excellent. In the second half the game, he ended up throwing for almost 140 yards in the final couple of quarters. Yeah, you know, it was great to see Brown make a big play. Stepped in his throws. That 34 yarder to Brown was quite a throw. You know, they brought a fire zone, Eckler stepped up and made a great block, and he just set his feet and let it rip. You know, and that's something that you'll see more and more of. The more he can see some things and feel like there's no pass rush around him, he has clean pockets. You know, he needs to have some clean pockets in the last night or yesterday. He had a little bit more in the second half. I think the giant defense was a little gassed because they're out there quite a bit and the ball is getting run down his throat a little bit. And couldn't get to the pastor, so gave him some time. You mentioned the red zone woes. I'll take, you know, well over 400 yards of offense scoring on every drive that they actually, you know, not kneeled down to the first half division and those kind of opportunities. I'll take my chances every time, but they did stall out in the red zone. What did you see once they got down there that prevented touchdowns? Well, there's a couple things, a couple penalties, a couple facts. You know, they tried to get some guys open and he missed a throw over the top of the defense. I want him to be food out of the back of the end zone. There's a couple plays that ran on our PO that didn't work at all. They tried to run the ball in third and short one time and didn't get it to Echler. Just a lot of things. But, you know, the good thing is they ate up a ton of clock. You know, the first drive was 10 minutes, you know, in a giant store. The best thing for a struggling defense like Washington has is half 10 minute drives all the time. That's what Washington did, unfortunately, they didn't convert, but there's a lot of reasons. You know, they'll get better with time, but I think overall, I played pretty good. Their running game was great yesterday. And I have a hard time thinking Daniels isn't kind of the reason why they're running it so well. It goes back to, you know, when I was covering the Kyle offense here in 2012 with Robert and Alfred Morris who you would inherit. You know, he went for 1600, but you got to defend 11 on 11. And Jayden's now shown the ability to keep it and be so dangerous. So, B-Rob rips off 230 plasters. He's never done that once in his career. He went for 130. Echler went for 40. I mean, they ran for 215 as a team. It seems like they got something brewing here. Yeah, absolutely. And you can see one of the times it was a true handoff. And Jayden just took two steps after he handed off. And there's two guys trying to make sure he didn't have the ball. And then there goes the inside zone popping out of there. So, yeah, that is a hell of a weapon to have. Jayden Daniels, the threat of his own reader, him carrying the ball and getting outside the numbers is scary on defense. And you have to have people account for him and that'll open up things for Echler and Robinson like it did. So, speaking of that running game, in week one, obviously, Daniel Scrambling was so instrumental for their offense. Doing anything, mostly through three quarters, running back, they didn't really get going as much. This week, you know, 170 yards give or take between the two backs. What's sustainable from this week, Jay, going forward in terms of the running back portion of the running game? Yeah, I think it's all going to depend on whether or not Washington manufacturers, some big plays in the passing game and force them to high safety because they're going to see a lot of single high safety. The more teams prepare for them and they're going to force them to try to throw the ball. So, Terry's got to make some big plays, no brown like he did last week or somebody else in the passing game. The scared defense is where they have to keep, you know, safety over the top of Terry or what have you. But the more they play, the more they're going to see loaded boxes, it's going to be a little bit more difficult. But the threat of Jay and running, like I said, is still going to open up some holes for the Rob and Echler. I was talking to someone earlier today, just watch the game back. And they talked about how hard it can be on some of the RPO decisions where if you pull it and the guy's not immediately open or the pass isn't there, it's almost like a lock for a sack. And that happened a couple of times. He got sacked four times in the first half and five times if you count the one in the second half total. But can you expound upon that for people? Like, you know, a couple of those sacks that where he goes forward, loses one or two or whatever. You know, not the end of the world, but those are like RPOs that go bad, basically. Yeah, a couple of them didn't work. You know, he pulled one of them out and tried to hit the swing to the back, it was covered. And, you know, the thing about RPO is the lineman don't know if he's keeping them or handing it off. So they got an illegal man downfield one time, so they're blocking downfield. If you're going to throw the RPO, it's got to come out fast right now to it. A quick flaunt by a receiver, a hitch out there, or a screen, which I've had a little bit of success with. But if you have to hold the ball at all, the protection is so bad, he's going to get killed. So that happened a couple of times, he had to scramble around and took a couple sacks. But that's just something they got to continue to work on. RPOs, I think, you know, they'll probably dwindle a little bit. But I do like the zone read part of it and some of the bootlegs off of some of these things. The RPOs, they just got to get on the same page. And Jayden's got to realize that, hey, if I hold this ball longer about a second, I'm either going to get killed or we're an illegal man downfield. Jay grid with us here on Grant and Danny. So Jay, and passing numbers are down sort of across the league. I think almost half of the guys that threw yesterday didn't have 200 yards. I mean, it's just a different time, it seems, through a couple of weeks. So this is, you know, all kind of with the grain of salt. But where are their chunk plays going to come from? Forget about the home runs or 97 yards to Justin Jefferson or, you know, whatever the Saints play, I guess. But those, those like 12 to 20 yard kind of strike plays that sort of change field position or, you know, kind of bail out and kind of make things easy. Where are those going to come from weekend and week out, do you think? Yeah, I think if they, you know, limit some of the RPO stuff and go into more play action passes where they're holding it in there and pulling it out and trying to hit the quick. Plan over the middle of the glance route over the middle or with a deep comeback or what have you or it's more of a true pass protection, not just guys blocking the run. I think they'll be able to hit some, especially if they have success running the ball. This is a great testament for these guys moving forward to run the ball like they did against the Giants. His front is pretty damn good, you know. I didn't think they'd have much success with the front that the Giants had, but that'll scare the hell out of some people that'll make linebackers bite on some of these actions and then you get people sneaking over the back of their. Over the top of them and half some big plays that way. Some three level throws, quick throws. Like I mentioned, I think they'll come in bunches here in the future. So is that harder to do some of that plactions that you're talking about if you're in shotgun almost exclusively? No, no, there's a lot of things that do the play actions out of shotgun and they're quite effective. Actually, you just got to hold it in there and sell it. Like I said, if you could still sneak some guys around there behind behind the defense behind the second level, the defense. Jay Gruden on Grant and Danny every Monday at five o'clock. Great insight on Washington's game after he watches it back and within the next few minutes, we'll start going around the NFL with him as well. You referred to Noah Brown earlier. He had three targets, three catches, 56 yards made an immediate impact at the 34 yard catch to set up the game winning field goal. On a similar concept to drive earlier, he made a diving catch on a ball that was thrown on a dart. And he made a really athletic play. I loved how he separated at the top of his route for a big guy. He's already seemingly their second wide receiver. It feels like. Yeah, things that way. I don't know, you know, where these other guys have been, but somebody has to step up. I mentioned it last week to take a little pressure off Terry and give them a legitimate target on the other side. You know, if they're going to keep Terry on one side, then that other side, they'd better have somebody out there. They can get some separation and make some big plays and no Brown looks like he's emergent as that guy. You know, they still have the other Brown. The one he's got to make some plays and obviously the rookie McCaffrey. But you know, Noah looks pretty good. You know, he's a veteran guy. He went to Ohio State. He's a field school guy in a running game, so he'll help out blocking for McCaffrey and B-Rob as well. So it's a good guy to have out there. Jay, you mentioned term of corn a couple times and we're big fans of term of corn just in the city and on the show. And everybody likes the guys. It's a great dude. Do you think it might be time to have kind of a tough conversation about how good term of corn actually is? I'm not saying he's benchable or anything like that, but we've always thought of him as, hey, he's a number one. He's really good. Is he? I'm wondering through a couple of weeks. It's truly to put to slam the gavel. But what do you see him from him in terms of getting open, getting off a press and is he towards that upper echelon of receivers still? I think he is. Yeah, I just think opportunities haven't been there for him, and Jayden's got to gain trust in him like he had trusted Brian Thomas in the league papers at LSU. Give him some opportunities in the deep passes, even if he looks like he's covered, you know, some of these big time receivers that have been getting all the money. You know, they're not always wide open, but the quarterbacks give them opportunities. And I think if he trusts Terry to make a play where it won't be intercepted, he just can be in complete or a big play or passing her parents and give them some of these opportunities. Terry, Terry will come through for him. You just got to gain the trust that I'm going to take a little time. Jay used to love how you used Chris Thompson thought he was perfect in your offense and you did some good things with him. Austin Echler, who's always had that kind of game, has been fantastic through a couple of weeks. Are you surprised with how spry he looks after the expectation or at least the narrative around him? This off season was he was washed. Yeah, no, I think they're using them perfectly with the amount of reps as well. He's not a guy you want to give the ball to 15, 20 times a game. He's in a role perfect. Very similar how we had for Chris. Chris usually carried a ball six, seven times a game and we use them in the past. The game is a great pass protector and that was a great role for him. And Austin is thriving in this role and he can stay fresh. It's a great change of pace from Brian Robinson. So that one to punch is pretty dangerous for Washington moving forward by love how they're using them and the amount of time and the amount of place maps he's using is perfect. Jay, when I ask you about Washington's defense at this point, we thought it'd be better. Not how much better. I think that was, well, we didn't know how much better. I guess is the way to phrase it. We thought there'd be some improvement and they're right at the bottom of the league again and pretty much every rankings through a couple of weeks. What do you see when you watch that group and how would you attack them as an offensive play caller? Right now you attack any way you want to, to be honest with you. Single Terriado almost 100 yards and Daniel Jones, you know, had was pretty comfortable in the pocket for the most part. If Malik neighbors doesn't drop that pass on the sidelines, it's probably going to be another touchdown drive for the Giants whose offense struggled mightily last week. So they got to figure some things out when they start playing some good offense. Cincinnati is going to, you know, give them a little bit of a problem if T Higgins plays because they'll be able to run the ball and throw the ball with some monster weapons on the outside. But, you know, the corner back play, it's hard for them to stack the box because, you know, right now their corners aren't playing very good. So they're afraid to cover for very long. So they play covers, they are not stopping the runs with like boxes. So they're right now in a conundrum of what to call. So they got to be very creative and their defenses are stunting their blitz packages because they cannot leave their corners on an island right now because they'll get gutted. Jay Gruden on GND and prime time performance last night and a second straight clunker for Caleb Williams. First of all, what have you made of him through two weeks? That offense has looked pretty gross. And should we be feeling a lot better about Jaden Daniels, who's been very solid based on how Caleb Williams looks or small sample, not worth comparing the two just yet? Yeah, I wouldn't compare him yet. You know, they're both one on one. That's comparable, I guess. So that's very good. But Caleb is, they've really struggled, protected Caleb and known passing situations. Obviously, Keenan Allen didn't play last week. So that hurt him a little bit. Dunes, they just kind of banged up a little bit. But, you know, they're off up the line struggling against the text. A lot of teams will, you know, hunter hunter on the outside and Anderson on the outside. Those two guys are pretty good pass rushers and Danico rhymes as an excellent job of those blitz packages. And I don't know who could have played quarterback for the Bears just last night because he got tumbled. I mean, he got six, seven times, could have been nine or ten times. If you can't protect the rookie quarterback with the running game or your pass protection and no matter what the quarterback is, who he is, what he was drafted, where he was drafted, they're going to struggle. And the Bears right now got to figure out their pass protection woes and how to protect this kid because he's not going to last. Jaden, just looking at the league at large, we referenced this earlier, but why do you think passing is sort of trending down in terms of some of the way I'm used to opening season. It's like 400 yards, four touchdowns, seven different guys do at ho hum. It seems that yards and sort of some of the big plays again, the Saints, and maybe Minnesota this past week and notwithstanding, are soon to be harder to come by. What do you make of the kind of passing totals being watered down here? I don't see a lot of guys open. You know, there's not a lot of good receiving course. I mean, it seems like there are, but I just don't see a lot of guys getting open. And the past protection hasn't been great either. The defensive coordinators do a great job at these line games and twists and blitzes and pick the tackles. I mean, Ryan Flores ran a number on the San Fran with some of the, I mean, he picked Trent Williams and the defensive end rushes inside. It's pretty in the face. I mean, some of these stunts are very difficult. And unless you can run the ball and protect your quarterback with some plactions and get some big plays on first and second down, if you're going to be in known passing situations, you're going to struggle against the Browns. I mean, there are some talented players. Quarterbacks and offenses are struggling because, you know, it's very hard to pass protect. You mentioned Flores. The defense has been very good, but your former coordinator, Kevin O'Connell, has the Vikings at 2 and 0 and Sam Darnold looking a lot better at quarterback. Then we've seen him in this league. What do you think of their start? It's awesome. And they're playing great complimentary football. You know, and they're getting a couple big plays here and they're the 97 yarder to Justin Jefferson is a game changer. And they're making teams move the ball 70, 80 yards on 12, 14 plays. And when they get third down, Flores has a unique pass rush package that he gets home. He's got a lot of guys that could do multiple things on defense, whether they're rushing or dropping, very confusing. The disguises coverage is extremely well and confuses quarterbacks from they're going to be in a lot of games because they play good defense. And the Sam Darnold continues to protect the football and the running game is just good enough to put a little pressure on the defense. They'll be competitive in just about every game they play. Jay, when we're watching some of these games, you know, we draw this conclusions week to week like Dallas looks great week one gets shellacked in week number two. And it's, you know, so hard to predict when you were coaching right as both of the as an OC and then as a head guy. When did you feel like you knew who you guys were? Like how long did that process take for you internally and then let alone like slubs like me on the outside? Yeah, that takes a little bit of time. You know, it's just hard. You know, the good teams that last throughout the season are the teams that stay healthy. You know, Kansas City is good as they are as good as Patrick Mahomes. They've been pretty lucky as far as their health is concerned. Their star players play every game and that's important. They lost Pacheco yesterday, so we'll see how they do there. My man, Samaje P. Ryan is going to get a shot, but you got to stay healthy. That's number one and your star players have to play like stars. If your star players are struggling, you're not going to have a very good year. So I based it on our star players, our quarterback number one, our quarterback play and then our pass rush. How good our Atlanta scrimmage was. You know, I always believed in protecting the quarterback and getting after the other quarterback. You could do that. You felt pretty good about your team, but if you struggled in one of those three areas, it's going to be a long year. If one of these teams ends up being better than is expected, which one would you pick? I'm going to give you the New Orleans Saints who have scored on every single drive. Clint Kubiak's friggin been money. Derek Carr's lighting it up. The LA Chargers under Jim Harbaugh, who are 2-0, seems like everywhere he goes, he wins. And then the Steelers, who accidentally started Justin Fields and have begun their season 2-0 plus 15 in margin. Which of those three do you think has the best chance to be really good? I think based on schedule, I'd probably say the Saints. You know, I think the Buccaneers are still going to win that division, but playing the Panthers and Falcons twice. Yeah, we got to realize now that the Falcons, the Steelers played the Falcons. And do they just beat Denver Broncos? They're not very good. You know, the Chargers beat the Raiders and they beat Carolina. Those are two teams that are struggling a little bit, so the Raiders got a huge win. They'll give you wrong, but there's some really struggling football teams right now in the National Football League about 8 to 10 of them. And those guys early in their schedule, and get some wins against those teams, and you'll be in the hunt as the season goes on. But I just don't see anybody still competing with some of the upper echelon teams right now. The Kansas City's, the Chargers, the Lions, some of these teams. But every week is different. And of those three teams, like I said, I like to play the Saints are playing. They got a good defense a little bit. They got a good corner. I like them because they can blind you up and base personnel. They did a lot of two tight end sets and two receiver sets and two receivers and a full back and a tight end. And they forced teams to play base defense. And nowadays, not a lot of teams have enough good linebackers to play base defense. It sounds silly, but a lot of teams are in nickel personnel 90% of the time. Now, here come the Saints and they just bludgeon you with this full back and these tight ends. And they bring in Hill some time, takes some Hill and he does a good job. So then the play acts is off of it or nasty. So I like the fact that they can play very physical football. Ruiz, the guards playing good. They have the rookie tackles playing outstanding and they're protecting Derek. So they're going to be in a lot of games. Philadelphia landed tonight. Who do you like and why? Philadelphia, I think, kills them. I just don't think Atlanta has enough weapons for Kirk right now, you know, outside of London and Beijon. They're going to struggle a little bit protecting Kirk and he's not moving very well. So I think the pastor for Philly, you'll get home and Philadelphia win pretty easy. How do you get him moving or what do you do? Maybe the better question is, let's say you're these head coach. You're drawing up a game plan tonight based on what we saw where he had to be in pistol or gun. And then even more discouraging may have been the video that came out from practice last week when he was dropping from under center and it looked really rough. Like what would you design or what would your plan be for him? Well, I'd said this all along. If he's not 100% healthy, he can't do the play actions. I wouldn't plan. You know, his strength is first second down play action. It was underneath the center and holding that ball out and pulling it out and hitting those glass routes and those deep crossers. And that's what he's really, really good at. The bootlegs outside and the down class is tied in. A low crosser coming around. He's really good at that. As far as just drop him back and throwing and being a sitting duck back there. I don't know if this is what they want because they don't have enough receive. They got Drake London. They got a little got booty. They got a little Ray Ray, Robinson Ray Ray, whatever they're looking for. Ray Ray McCloud, Ray Ray McCloud. Yeah, they're little and they're not going to get open for Kirk. He's got to wait and Kirk has to see guys open to throw it. These routes take some time to develop and they're going to have to block sweat and Josh Huff and Jalen Carter. It's going to be a long day for these guys, but the strength of Kirk's game is first second down. They got to utilize Beijon Robinson. He's got to have a big day for them to have a chance. And then he'll do some perimeter screens and some screens of Beijon, but he's got to be successful on first and second down. Otherwise they're in a world of crap. Jay Mossam is always what we'll talk to you next week. All right. Thank you guys. I think that's a professional term world of crap. That is an industry term. Yes. On Aaron On The Road, Jake Groot is driven by the Tedbert Automotive, Rupert Tedbert Ford in Chantillion Fairfax, your F-150 headquarters. Tedbert Chantillion Lincoln and Tedbert Chevrolet in Sterling, holding home of Tedbert for lifetime vehicle coverage. See and shop them all at Tedbert.com. Felt like Jayden Daniels took a big leap in the second half yesterday. Let's discuss that next on Grant and Danny. [ Silence ] They're in the oculus and then you go through the play. Daniels will throw it back to Austin Efler. He's got a lot of room. He's got a block. Efler hit far as he got around the six-year line by Phillip. Fox on the call with Chris Myers in the booth yesterday. Welcome back to Grant and Danny on the fan. Thanks to Toby for the update. All kinds of NFL news coming out this afternoon, including the Rams looking like they're going to put Cooper Cup on injured reserve. He would join Pukka Nakua on IR for the Rams. How about this? Cooper Cup Pukka Nakua, injured reserve if he ends up there. Tyler Higby-Pup, Joe Noteboom-Iar, Connor McDermott-Iar, Steve Avila, injured reserve, Jonah Jackson, injured reserve possibly, Darius Williams-Iar, Darien Kendrick-Iar, John Johnson could be headed to IR. They are maybe done and the season is just starting. They got demolished by the Cardinals yesterday. And it wasn't competitive. I mean, it really wasn't. Cardinals could have put up 60 points if they felt like it. Sean McVay. Yeah. Go win coach of the year. I mean, they make the playoffs. It's yours. So remember, they got off to a horrendous start last year. And everybody kind of wrote them off and said, you know, they're done. They're not the, you know, the dynasties over or whatever. The bleep them draft picks window and clothes and ha ha ha shame on them. And then they were unbelievable down the stretch. They're only lost. I think it was an overtime in Baltimore, one of the games of the year. And they were frisky. They were pretty good. So I didn't have a great feel for what would happen. I didn't know they'd lose half of their roster within the first two weeks of the season, including, you know, their two best passcatchers. But yeah, it is a bit of an adventure out there. Their wide receivers this weekend will be Jordan Whittington and Demarcus Robinson. Go get them at Stafford. I mean, that is ugly early. Just from a health standpoint for the LA Rams. How about this stat on Bryce Young, who was benched today by the Carolina Panthers. Dave Canales met with the media said in that media session that he was sitting, Bryce Young, because it's what's best for the team. He also thinks long term it's going to be what's best for young. They're going to reset the young quarterback who has really struggled since last year. Everyone beat up on Zach Wilson thought he was the worst quarterback in history of the world. His net drop back per ETA through his first 18 games. If you add up all of the bad for Zach Wilson was minus 101.8 after 18 career games. You tracking this? I think so. Yeah. Minus 101.8. Same sample size for Bryce Young. Minus 162.5. Good Lord. Expected points added. I mean, this is my old time. I was wrong. I mean, who knows? Maybe the turnaround happens. Doesn't look likely now. Now that he's been bench for any Dalton, then we're doing the gives us the best chance to win nonsense in Carolina. He was so accurate, decisive and anticipatory with his throws in college. I don't remember anybody that didn't think he'd be good. Now, everybody thought his size could be a problem, but that's different than him being terrible at quarterback. And it's very different than this guy will be better than CJ Stroud, which was the prevailing thought everywhere. The question was, would Stroud go to or would he fall way down the board? Would Will Levis go in the top five or would he end up sliding, which he did? There was really never any question about who was going to go 1-1 in the months leading up to the draft for the Carolina Panthers, but everybody was wrong on Bryce Young. I mean, loud wrong too. Watching that game where he went back and forth with um, uh, Hendon Hooker in Tennessee. Remember that game that Alabama, Tennessee game? Just the best college football theater over the last couple of years. It was the offensive performances were just stupid, right? As they were going back and forth and you're going, and this is poetry watching this kid just, he just glide out of trouble, you know, throwing back across his body, hitting guys in stride. As you said, anticipatory throws, everything that you could do to say, I'm ready for the next level. He was doing, and then some, he looked so incredible. That's as good as he looked then is as bad as he looked now. I mean, the lowlights write themselves, but I've seen, you've all seen the montages where there's a guy open and he can't literally see over his center. So he tries to jump like he's a, uh, you know, like Anthony Hardaway coming down the lane looking for someone to pop open just, it was, and it's embarrassing at this point. Yeah, there's very little redeeming happening for that offense or for him. He was completing 55% of passes, no touchdowns, three interceptions. They had lost both games, not competitively, uh, and in his career in 18 starts, they're two in 16 as a team, but he's completed sub 60% more interceptions than touchdowns. And that only begins to scratch the surface on how bad it's gotten. But I saw this from Jordan Schultz, who's plugged in with all the agents. He tweeted today, according to his sources, Panthers quarterback Bryce Young and those close to him were quote, very shocked at the organization's decision to bench him this morning. It came out of nowhere. One source said safe to say no one anticipated the plug being pulled after just two games with a new coaching staff. Ask me. Call, call on me. Uh, grip. I mean, you can't keep playing and playing at that level. I'm all for giving guys a chance and continuing to play them. Sure. Absolutely. In, in his case, you lose a locker room. If you keep playing a guy, playing as badly as he was. When everybody's at practice and knows Andy Dalton's at least going to find me when I'm wide open. Andy Dalton's at least going to get the ball out in a timely manner, like what was happening was unacceptable. There's, he's struggling. He's got to figure it out. And then there's a, this is disqualifying and he was playing at that level. Doesn't mean he'll always play at that level, but you unplug. This is the hard reset, you know, this is, you're talking to the, the IT guy and they go unplug, sit there for a cut the hard line here and plug it back in. This is the football version of that. You're going to bench him for a month. And then you want to put him back in later in the year when the season's over and it's developmental time and see how much different he looks. Go for it. But this is the turn it off and turn it back on part. Yeah. I am almost in every case a, if you're going to be bad, you should be bad with developmental intentions. You should be purposefully bad. Hey, K, if you're not, you're not winning any games. If you're Carolina, having an adult and get you to three and 14 versus two and 15 doesn't help anybody. That's, there's no benefit to that. It's a waste of time. 99.9% of the time, that's how I feel. In this case, you already said it. It's that bad that nothing can happen like he's, he's playing so poorly. It's only didn't give him a chance because I don't know how much of a chance they have with anybody back there right now as bad as that roster is and as bad as that organization is. And I feel for him because I have been there. I know what it's like, but it's a non starter. Like it's non competitive. You know what I mean? It's like it's like calling up a major league pitcher and going, this kid's got great stuff. And then tell me, oh, he has control problems. He cannot throw a strike. He's in killing in, in a playoff game and you're like, you can't just try them out there every fifth day. We got to put them on the engine list. We got to send them down. You got to do something else because it's not competitive. And that's what it is right now. We got Dan Quinn, audio for you. Best of his press conference that they're coming up in 20 minutes at six o'clock here on G and D. What I want to get into though is a quarterback in town who does as a young guy look like you know what he's doing and does look better than Bryce Young has. And that's Jaden Daniels who had some issues in the first half offensively. It was ugly at five. Paul starts in the red zone, but two timeouts on the first drive call just trying to get up to the line of scrimmage. But as the day went on, it seemed like Daniels really started to have things slow down around him, got comfortable, started operating their offense and throwing the football pretty consistently. It was the best we've seen him as a passer early on in his young career, 12 of 16 for 140 in the second half. How did you think Daniels played? You can hop in at 800 six three six one oh six seven. We'll go through the good and the bad from his performance. There was a lot more good than bad in the week number two next on G and D. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] The commanders are one and one and for the first time in his two games as quarterback Jaden Daniels got to walk off the field a winner. Welcome back, Grant and Danny on the fan, the first of hopefully many and what we're all hoping is going to be an illustrious career here in D.C. Danny, what do you think of Daniels in game two? >> I was pretty impressed. Now, nothing world beating here. We didn't see the second coming of anything. What we saw was a base being built of the safe, quick, short, easy stuff that I would major in by the way that I love, especially early on in games because what you're doing, it's equivalent of a running game which they had going as well, but it's those body punches, right? It's that it's the little jab that keeps the defender at bay and so eventually they get sick of it and then stuff opens up. Then later on after you soften the target a little bit and they get tired of those little five yarders, seven yarders, eight yarders, six yarders and it's second and manageable a lot. You're standing on the field, which they did. You get sick of those and then you could hit your deep stuff, then you can hit your double moves, then you can hit your kind of strike plays, that kind of intermediate stuff that became available. Ultimately, in the second half, I saw a guy that as the game progressed seemed to become more comfortable. I don't like panics the right word. So I don't have a better one than that. So I'm going with it, but just know that I wish it was a better word. I think in his first game, when everything's going so fast, there's a fight or flight type moment where you go, I could stick this out and maybe I end up getting sacked. That's the phrase, by the way, that Kingsbury use was flight or fight, right? And so he goes, you know what? I'm so athletic. I'm so good at this. I'm going to and I'll be our best offensive weapon. I'll run for 80 some yards on scrambles. So there's a happy medium there where a scramble can be very good, a very effective way to keep your team on the field on the third night, whenever it's got their back turned, somebody comes for pressure, you make a miss, got everyone's got their head turned and you go get your first down. So you were, you were okay with how much they ran in this game. So yeah, to me that's we argued a lot about that all season. That's closer to the happy medium. Like to me, I want, I want the occasional design run just to show it, to make, keep everybody honest, but I want them to major in those athletic play making plays where you turn a negative into an astounding positive, which I think is his specialty. He ran 10 times statistically. It was actually probably more, but a couple of them are ruled sacks where he would like run out of bounds or whatever. So it was, you know, when you count last week, one of his great escapes, where he was in the grasp, ended up being a sack, because it ran out of bounds to you. It's fine line of scrimmage, instead of a 15 yard loss, it was two minus four on the side. Yeah. Um, no, it's true. It was also, well, you would say a great play, throw the ball out of bounds and it's zero and you just go back to live the next play. So that's probably what they'll coach them up on. But, um, I thought so few things. Number one, the second half to me, when I envision like what I hope this turns into is that, and to get a half like that this quickly is really a good sign, I'd say. I think that game two was better than game one. I didn't have a big problem with game one in any way, but I think there was clear growth. And I think the second half was better than the first half. So this is all the way you want it to be the first half, a lot of the procedural stuff. I don't know whose fault all that is calling two time outs on your game opening drive, which by the way, took almost nine game minutes and took like what felt like 20 minutes of real lifetime with the timeouts and everything. It took forever. And it was, that was great. I mean, the defense hadn't had to break a sweat, get in the heat really getting back on the field. Uh, but I think some of that needs to be cleaned up. That's on Daniels. That's on the whole outfit. I'm not saying all the false starts and things are on him, but when you're burning two time outs, when there's clear like motions late and guys are jumping up, I don't know how much of that is the snap count or the way you're doing things. I just know that I don't, I don't see it very often, you know, and certainly not with veteran quarterbacks, but that's all supposed to happen. That's all part of the process. That's not it really an issue. They cleaned that up. The only part of the first half that I was discouraged by really was the four sacks when I thought maybe one of those should have happened and the fact that they didn't really get the passing game going other than on those RPO screen type things, that all changed in the second half when he threw for a buck 40 and went 12 of 16. And instead of looking to run, he looked to throw and that like epiphany or change, whatever led to it. I hope we see a lot more of it. The Giants have a bad secondary. We had their reporters on all last week saying, Hey, Washington should be able to take advantage of this. And you saw it with Noah Brown. I don't know why Terry McLaurin couldn't in that same area of the field. I don't know why nobody else was getting open in the middle of the field, but Earth certainly got free, caught two balls of 20 plus and then Brown with the long on the 34 yarder catch and run. That was a really nice seat of a throw. Good signs all the way around. I thought overall a winning good performance by Jaden Daniels. Yeah. I mean, it's just it's a super hard balance, right? We're always going to judge after the fact on how effective something was like if a scramble goes for 14 yards on a third and eight, you go, that's good. Nice. We should do that. But could it have been a 40 yard touchdown? We don't know, right? It's always so hard again to work back kind of from the result or if he stays behind the line of scrimmage for too long and nobody breaks open and ends up being a sack, could you have just gotten the first down on a third and five? I mean, there's, there's so much nuance to this position and everything that you do, there's always something that could have been better or throw the emist or something like because it's so imperfect and it's so much harder maybe than it's ever been. But to me, I love what I saw, which was more about what looked like comfort. That's what I was trying to allude to. And initially, when I talked about the panic in game one, again, panic's the wrong word, I don't have another one where it's like, one in doubt, I got to go. This was, I don't have any doubt. Like I'm not shook. I'm not upset. I'm not worried about all the different hits in the second half. Yes. Right. I got popped a few times in the first half. I thought the first half was a continuation of Tampa. Yes. The second half was not at all. A favorite throw for him. I have three that I wrote down. A lot of people are calling out the Noah Brown play, which was a beautiful throw. But I thought that was actually a lower difficulty throw because he was wide open. I have two, maybe not noticeable throws that I thought were awesome. There was a slant to McCorn where I went, there's, there's a millimeter in any direction. You can't fit it anywhere else. And that had to be there. And that was perfect. That's one of them. It's a short throw, but it was terrific. Yeah. And he's so accurate. Jayden Daniels, his accuracy is awesome. And there was wonder Earth's where Earth is being held. They declined the penalty because it was a catch for a first down. We're getting not a ton of space, but he put it on the, I guess would have been on Earth's, you know, outs, good, good side shoulder where Earth had to make a hands catch away from his body to keep it away from the defender to expose the whole thing. A check down, like a five yard throw to Bates at 1.2 to John Bates. The other one was on an out route to Terry McClorn in the first drive of the second half. Just perfectly timed. It was McClorn's longest catch of the day. It was like 12 yards. You remember he kind of broke out and the ball was hitting him as he got to the sideline, got a couple of feet in and they even tried to challenge, I think, if he had caught the ball or not. Oh, the track, the foot track. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. But I thought that was a perfect throw as well. So there was a lot to like, I thought after halftime, especially, but just generally from him throwing the football in this game. And the other thing is, you know, we got to decide like, how are we grading this, right? I think if you're grading this from the perspective of he's a rookie, which we should, then it's really encouraging because the other rookies, Caleb Williams, Chicago, Bowniks, what we've seen from him in Denver. That's the list. They're three of them. They have done nothing like what Jayden Daniels has done to this point. So I think if you want to incorporate that context, I think it helps you to view it through an even better lens. It's been solid, you know, if you gave them a C last week, I think you got to give them at least a B this week. And I thought it was an A performance in the second half for me agreed eight hundred six three six one oh six seven, you want to hop in on Jayden Daniels on G and D Dan Quinn met with the media today. 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