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We will scout the New York Giants with Dan Duggan who covers the team for the athletic at three and Dan or Lobsky of ESPN will help us break down Jaden Daniel's first performance and what to expect from the young quarterback moving forward. Dan or Lobsky on Grant and Danny today at five 30 right here on the fan. What's up, Daniel? Hey, dude, last night the football she was good. It went just the way you and I thought, right? Miami be competitive early season dolphins better than late season dolphins, except the exact opposite scary situation with two. Well, last night, which we'll talk about here in a second, but the good theater there on the Amazon Prime. Yeah, Thursday night football match up on paper that looked better certainly than the game played out. But I guess we could start right there on a football Friday. Couple of things before we get into two is concussion and the dramatic scene that played out last night. The bills at two and O now look very, very different than previous Buffalo team in a way, maybe that we'll see, but could be helpful to them into the winter and maybe into the playoffs. They run the ball a little more effectively seven yards of pop last night for James Cook seems like despite less wide receiver production. They're getting some decent play from their tight ends. Dalton Kincay, their second leading receiver last night. Josh Allen didn't really have to do a whole lot through for 139 yards only ran for two yards and had a passing touchdown, but it didn't matter. They'd have picked six. They were also great defensively. They were, I thought that team is pretty much devoid of stars on defense in the back end at this point. They've lost a lot of talent. They've got a bunch of guys injured. They've got some good football players, but tomorrow Hamlin who barely made their team last year is starting its safety and is their leading tackler and they're taking teams away and over the last six quarters of football, at least with their come from mind, went over Arizona and the victory over Miami last night. They've been exceptional on that side of the ball under Sean McDermott. Yeah, thoroughly impressive. I mean, that was the story to me more than again, two was the headline and again, we'll get there in a second, but defensively, they were really, really good. They did the thing that's really hard to do. You took multiple, you know, big plays and options away. There was no tirey kills streaking past everybody. There was no Jalen wattle. If you spent too much time on tirey kill, I mean, they got theirs. They got a few receptions here and there. I mean, he'll what three for 24 wattle was four for 41. You you sign up for that side unseen. They allowed Devin H and to run over them a little bit here and there got gushed on the ground some, but that's fine. If Miami has to do that, you'll take that every single time. If you're Buffalo, I thought defensive, they were outstanding. Von Miller looked like, you know, seven, eight years ago, Von Miller getting by people. You know, the again, not like eight sacks or anything, but he was constant on the back field. His presence made it known. I thought Buffalo defensively last night was beyond impressive. I also thought last night in some ways was kind of a referendum on fandom and how we all act during games. Me, you included everybody, all of us in the sense that two was playing bad football and he was just getting destroyed by every dolphins fan, by every NFL analyst and everyone's crushing him. It's not personal, right? You're just talking about how a guy's playing, but then immediately that was forgotten. He was a human being laying on the field with yet another concussion very obviously after a three pick performance with a pick six. And all of a sudden you go, who cares about that? You know, who cares that he didn't play very well. His career is in jeopardy, potentially. He, for those of you that didn't see, ran forward on a fourth down. I think probably Danny, because the game had gone so badly for him individually and for the team, kind of felt like on that fourth down, he didn't have a choice but to go move the chains, desperation mode, change the narrative. Trying to make a play right there. I get it stays in the middle of the field and doesn't slide. He does the fall forward thing that we've been talking about a lot with Jayden Daniels and others. Lamar Jackson does it. And I didn't even think he took a massive hit. No. DeMar Hamlin, by the way, who once died on the field was the guy on the tackle for the Buffalo Bills. He didn't do anything wrong. It wasn't dirty, but it was a very awkward hit on Toa, whose head got bent to the side, whose neck kind of gets, you know, basically he goes into draft mode. The next as long as it can be as he's getting jammed back toward his body. And immediately in that fencing posture that we've seen from him before is on the field. And it was just a petrifying scene. One of those things were on your timeline. Everyone's just saying, Oh, no, the reaction in the bar is silence. And on the field, it's the old Joe Thiesman just got brought to the ground and everyone's waving to the sideline to say this ain't good. Yeah, we know this is your normal run of the mill head. And as you said, it looked not innocuous, but a little closer to that than one of those. Okay, you can see this is a devastating blow that was delivered. This is up to freight trains hit each other head on your helmet spins around or something crazy. It looked awkward, but not to the point where you go. Oh my God, this is devastating. But then of course, the subsequent reaction. And it's not lost to me that it was handling that like, I don't really have a bigger picture thing to say than that. But the same guy that a little, you know, not that long ago, well, as you said, was dead on the field and had to be brought back to life by first responding paramedics, was the guy that quote, unquote delivered the hit. All he did was step up to try to make the tackle, try to make the stop there on a fourth down. And two, it goes down. This is now three, you know, pretty serious concussions. It seems like within not that long of a time for the Dolphins quarterback. So this was the play last night on Amazon Prime Thursday night football as to a leaves with concussion. Pressure to a step, something is going to run for the first time and takes a shot at the six yard line. Kaylee Hartung, the reporter soon thereafter on the sideline had this on prime. What's more to Kaylee? Guys, the Dolphins tell us to a Tungavilo will not return to this game. He has been ruled out with a concussion. They were able to determine that just six minutes after he left the field and went into the locker room. A irony, there he got hit by tomorrow. Hamlin, you know, that history. So that was how Michael's last night on the call. A lot of different ways we can go with this. My reaction, though, really to the reaction has been, I don't know how to say it other than I am uncomfortable with the number of people that are telling to a Tungavilo what to do. The amount of people that have come out and said he has to retire, you should retire, do what's best for your family, many of whom I'm sure in the football analyst business as former players or former executives or whatever probably have met him. But a lot of them don't know him at all. But it really doesn't matter. I've been borderline uncomfortable Danny with how many people are so comfortable saying that. Now, everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Like I can tell you personally, myself, as a father with three kids, I believe he has two, I'd have to think long and hard about it. But to me that that was a weird immediate reaction. And I understand how we get there. I don't think it's nefarious. But I guess I'm team Mike McDaniel who talked about it today and basically said it's not in his best interest. And McDaniel made a great point is like, if I come out and say, I think he should retire and to it, here's that he doesn't want to retire. Well, that's terrible. If I come out and say, no, I want him to play football and he wants to retire, well, that's terribly. So there's really no upside to me giving that opinion or anybody else giving any opinion. It doesn't help him at all right now. And I tend to agree with that a little bit. It's an interesting perspective because I don't think me saying, let me just, I'll introduce my thought. If you're asking me, Danny, what's your advice? No one is. But if you're asking me, I'd go, you should retire, dude. I feel comfortable saying that just because of what I've seen of his career. But that doesn't mean that I get to make the choice for him. And you know, I'm not lecturing him. Yeah, does that make sense? Exactly. And I'm not saying people shouldn't be giving opinions, right? We're all in the business of doing so. And so if someone said, hey, Grant, what would you do if you were to a, and maybe that's what everybody's doing. But it feels more, at least online, I would say, more of like a, what are you doing, dude? You have a family and I don't, that to me just crosses a strange line where you have no idea what it's like. Number one, what the conversations are like with his family, with his parents, with his wife, what they all want. But also just in general, you know, his whole being is tied into this identity in football. I can relate to this having basically broadcasted since I was 10 years old. And this thing's ever ripped away from me. I'm gonna have to have some long sessions on somebody's couch at some point, right? I mean, so much of your DNA and then what you think you provide is tied into like what you've been and how you're seen. It's just really easy for people as they dip into the bag of chips again, they go, you got a retirement. I don't want to see you in the fencing position again. I think that's different than just saying no one should have an opinion, if that makes sense. No, I know. I try to offer the distinction there. So obviously it's up to him. My recommendation is to retire immediately, walk away. I had the same one for Alex Smith after his injury. My own personal viewing, it was hard for me to stomach it. I'm sitting there cringing every time he drops back. And I think that will be my experience watching the dolphins with his quarterbacking for them again. But the only reason I don't go to the same place you do, and I understand your point very well, I think it's a good one, is I don't think it's coming from a malicious place. I think it's coming from a place of, dude, this is legit and scary and horrifying. And we're all hoping that you can see that. That you understand that this is, oh, got his bell wrong, which is what used to be, you know, ESPN's jacked up. Like we're doing highlights of these big hits where guys are leaving the field now and they can't walk straight. And we used to think that was charming. Now we know the difference. The people who are saying like, dude, you should walk away from this game aren't doing it because they're, I don't know, they're about lecturing him. It's a, oh my God, this is really bad kind of thing. You know what I mean? Sure. I don't have the same animus for it, I guess. I think there's something to that. Yeah. Absolutely. I also think it's silly to assume that he doesn't know more about his situation than anybody is. Totally. Like, I think you said somewhere in there, I hope he knows that. Well, I would be willing to bet that he does. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what, you don't think that he's being counseled by people on, you know, what the ramifications were for the hit and the recovery and what happens if he has another one, I'd be willing to bet that he has a better feel for his situation than Larry in Landover or a grant in Lorton. But, you know, I guess it's possible that they're pulling the wool over him and he doesn't really know. This is Mike McDaniel after the game last night at the podium, I believe. I think it would be so, so wrong of me to even sniff that subject and it's more in line of actually caring about the human being and, you know, that's something that entirely you're talking about his career, right? His career is his, you know? And that's something that I think I just really, really, really wish. I totally understand it and it's not misplaced. I totally get how that's where people want to go to. I just wish that people with four seconds hear what I'm saying, that bringing up his future is not the best interest of him. I should point out that was McDaniel today with the media, not last night. Antonio Pierce, who's a coach of another team in the NFL, was asked about this, which is interesting. Yeah, I was on. And he gave an answer. This was one of the ones where I thought, again, this is very powerful. This is a strong statement and I'm not saying he's wrong for making it, but it just strange to me that another team's coach is giving to advice on what he should do. I'll be honest, I'll just tell him to retire. It's not worth it. It's not worth the play of the game. I haven't witnessed anything like I've seen that's happened to him three times. Scary. You can see right away the players faces on the field. You can see the sense urgency from everybody to get to a help. I'm just saying at some point, you know, he's gonna live long and he's on play football. Take care of your family. I don't think you said anything wrong. And I think as a former player, he's got a perspective that's certainly better on this maybe than anything I could provide. But you don't see that very much. No, that's unusual. And I'm sure he was asked about it. I didn't see the entirety of their press conference. I actually heard that audio. I doubt it. He came out and said, hi, everybody, before we start, I have a statement before we talk about the game. I'd like to tell the Miami Dolphin quarterback that he needs to step away. But it just it shows you, you know, again, I don't think it's misplaced. And I think that's the only thing I'm trying to offer here, whether I feel like it's 100% appropriate that another coach is talking about another team's quarterback. In general, I wouldn't say that's the right thing. This is I guess the whole point of this discussion to me is that this is different than your regular Monday morning breakdown of the games yesterday. This is one of those. Pug your kids kind of moments where they're like, this is scary. Like this is downright life. This is life stuff. You know, kind of beyond dropping back. Scary is a great word. Yeah. Because that's to me, when you see like Luke Keekley with those tears streaming down his face and the uncontrollable emotions after his concussion, there are these moments where guys lose control of their bodies a little bit in front of you. And that is obviously, if you know anything about CTE or you watch the movie concussion, inevitably, what happens and can lead to some major awful, terrible things as these guys' lives go on. And I think that's what everybody's afraid of is just the quality of the life moving forward for tour. My point is just no different than a knee or an ankle or an arm or anything else. And I know that head trauma is worse and a bigger deal and more serious. It's up to him. I mean, it's inevitably, it's his call. If he wants to keep playing and keep going out there and trying, that's on him. We remember the story, by the way, that he had done all the jujitsu to help himself with how he fell. Or how to fall better. Yeah. And last year, he didn't have any concussions. And supposedly that solved it. The problem with that is, and not to bring this to Jayden Daniels, but the problem with the whole, you know, it's okay if he doesn't slide because he can fall forward, it just takes the one time. You know, it just takes the, oh, that was an awkward hit. And it wouldn't happen probably 89, 95 times out of 100. But this time it did. It's an inevitability when you're running around on that football field between the numbers. It just is. It's a fast, violent game. And collisions are completely part of it. They're intrinsic and they're inevitable. And and you're not going to beat those, I don't think. It was also the story that he'd lost a weight this off season, which didn't make a lot of sense. Same with, a little more losing the weight, obviously. I don't think the weight had anything to do with last night. Not that one, particularly now. But again, you know, each situation's probably different. Taylor's an upper moral burrow on GND. What's up, Taylor? Hey guys, how's it going? Thank you for taking my call. I actually, I actually called two years ago when he had the really, really bad concussion. And if you watch those tapes of the replay of the concussion for the hits he took last night, they all seem to be back of the head type of hits, right? And again, we followed the play. It didn't look like it was like a super bad, you know, knock him off his peak type of thing. But it leaves me to think that he may already have some bruising or some type of damage to the rear of his skull or to his brain that is allowing these hits to be so severe or affect him as much, you know? And it's bad to see, because yeah, we're literally going to have to spend probably the rest of the season watching this man decide between his dreams and like his life. But I mean, to me, again, I'm not a medical professional or anything, but I feel like the stacking of the hits and the fact that he's landing on the back of his head almost 88% of the time, it's kind of jarring to me. And like I said, he's in that thin thing. This isn't the first second, it's like the third time we've seen to a lock up after hitting his head. Yeah, and I think each of them has been on prime time in these, you know, games that everybody's watching, which adds to it too. But he said something there that's true when he talked about choosing between his dreams and his life. I mean, I don't think it's overly dramatic to say, like a lot of people's fear when you say this is not coming from a bad place. It's not just the, hey, this is uncomfortable for me to watch. It's a, what happens the next time? I mean, are we going toward a point where like he got up and he walked off and everyone kind of claps and you're on to the next, but we don't know how many it's not linear. Like, does the next one he walks off? Nobody really knows exactly. And to his point, we don't know what's going on in his head. No, I don't mean what he's thinking as much as what damage is done, or isn't done. He might have the best CT scan of anybody on the team for all I know. But it's also possible. He's got a repairable damage already. I'm not a doctor. I don't even know if doctors can tell a lot of the tests that get done for CTE can't even be done until it's posthumous after the fact and you find out tragically, you know, how banged up an issue and a skull was. So it's a mess. It's not a good situation. But man, it seems like it's always national TV for him and everybody's way. It's very, I mean, the end of those public is it is, but this is extremely public for his situation, especially now. I should qualify this with his recovery is all that matters. But I do think from a football standpoint, maybe a question people have is about his contract because he signed that $53 million a year contract this off season. Again, we do a football show. I'm just pointing this out. A spot track posted this today. The deal included 167 million and guaranteed for injury, 43 million of which has already been paid. So 167 million for injury is two is even if he doesn't play again, if he just decides to hang around, if he's medically cleared to return, the dolphins, let's say, whoever say in all of this, if they go, Hey, to, you don't have a concussion anymore. You got to come back and you got to play or they want him to ultimately. And he opts to retire still, then he would forgo the rest that 124 million that's guaranteed. If he's medically forced into retirement where they say we don't like the scans, we don't like what's going on here, then he can still collect the 124 million and there's really no reason for him to play because you're getting the money anyway. Now, again, all that matters is his health. I understand that. I just think those numbers in case people are wondering, like, what are some of the things that could be weighing on his mind? That's how it would work is basically what the team be willing to say. We're giving you your guarantees. Medically, it's just not right for you to keep playing or would they be of the position that they want him to come back and play because he's no longer having concussion symptoms. And at that point, 124 million is kind of hanging in the balance. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is, you're right. I mean, the obviously meeting concerns or him, his health and whatever next I think will be dealt with, but that is something that's kind of hanging over the franchise's head. I mean, so the deal signed because the double concussion, I think it was two and four days if memory serves for him in 2022, when it happened, his head slammed to the back of the ground a couple times. He was in the game. The independent neurologist allegedly checked him out and said that he was fine, which is absurd. And he was back at practice the next day, whatever the hell that saga was. I may have the details fuzzy there, but that was an embarrassment for the league's concussion protocols. So 2023 happens that the, the, I did, I learned to kung fu or jujitsu or whatever. So I'm not going to fall hard. He gets through that year concussion free. So now the dolphin signed the contract. And here we are now in week number two, uh, with, with what looked like a pretty serious thing. So yeah, I mean, it's, it is, it's uncomfortable discussion, certainly to have when, when you have to approach it. Tyler says saying to us should retire is the, in the best interest of his health. If he continues, the reality is repeated brain injuries will ultimately lead to death. And I don't want to see it. It's negligent and inhuman to allow this to continue. I don't disagree that he shouldn't retire, but I'm going to defer to doctors, you know, rather than just your opinion that it's negligent and inhumane. I can have my own opinions, which are probably not that different than yours in terms of what he should do. But I'm a big believer in the, you know, the grownups and the professionals in fields, kind of making those decisions. And what the medical people tell them to do is what he should do. In my opinion, not what, you know, frank in section 413 things. Grant and Danny on the fan, the commanders are getting ready for the Giants this weekend. What do you need to see from Washington to feel better? In week two, we'll get into that next. Hey, Mike Vlini here host of cash to ticket alongside my partner, Jim Costa. It's really simple. Are you tired of podcasts claiming they're a bunch of pro betters when they live in their mommy's basement? Are you tired of podcasts that claim they hit 80% of the games? When really, they just lose like most of us think has to take it's the spot for you. We're real, we're transparent. We're having a hell of a good time with it. And we sit there and we're there for the sweat with you guys. We're just trying to figure it out just like you. Follow and listen to cash the ticket on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. It's a football Friday on Grant and Danny, which means all of our football Friday staples. We'll go over under projections for commanders players. We'll give you our top five NFL games of the week. Biggest storylines for every week to game in the NFL and our confidence points picks should be a juicy football Friday. But let's begin with the commanders and the Giants. Now just a couple of days out from the first home game of the season over in Landover, what do you need to see from the commanders to feel a lot better in week two? We're going to open up the phones on this right now at 800-636-1067. We want to hear from you on the MGM National Harbor Listerlines. It's been a bit of a pessimistic week. Understandably, they got walloped by 17 and the game wasn't that close. But what would lead to you feeling like maybe week one was flooky, misleading, or the Bucks were just a bad matchup and for you to feel a lot better come week two. Offense coming from the offense. I need the offense, aka Cliff Kingsbury's designs, his schemes, the concepts, everything to generate the yardage. When the game is in doubt, it can't just be Jaden Daniels here to scramble around and make everybody right. I can't have that. I can't have with just a couple minutes left in the third quarter, more than half of the team's total yards be via Jaden Daniels scramble. I like him scrambling. I'm all in favor of it. Get out of trouble, get out of danger. Give me some positives. The only thing they did in that game this past week that had a positive EPA expected points added was Jaden Daniels scrambling. I'm not anti-him scrambling. What I am anti is an offense that's anemic that doesn't do anything. I can't have that through three quarters of the game before Tampa goes into a shell because they're up by more than three touchdowns. I need the offense to generate yardage. I need Echler involved. I need the timing. I need a holes poked in a vulnerable Giants defense. I need things exploited. I need yards after the catch. I need the design to yield some results. That to me is what I'm looking for this weekend. I'll start on the other side of the ball. I need a defense that makes life more difficult for the opponents. It was way too easy for Tampa Bay. They got whatever they wanted. They did whatever they wanted. They ran the football as that game went on in the second half in Washington's defense and the heat wore down. They were able to be too dimensional. But throughout the game, for the most part, it was just wide open real estate in the passing game. They didn't really, even though they rushed the quarterback, okay, get the quarterback to the ground because they weren't able to rush with enough vision vision to keep Mayfield in the pocket on the 14 targets to Godwin and Evans 13 work completions. It was just easy money in the secondary. It was a 298 yard for touchdown quarterback performance. Just kind of throwing against there. I need everything to come more difficult against this defense. The old adage used to be defend every blade of grass, right? You want them to earn and work for everything. Even if you're under talented, you can be a lot better at that than they were. And they are under talented. No doubt about that. But that's where the coaching we've heard so much about is going to have to come in here. I just want it to be more arduous and it will be because the Giants offense isn't as good as Tampa's because instead of Evans and Godwin and McMillan, you've got Malik neighbors and pray for rain basically because instead of Baker, Mayfield plan is butt off. The best version of him is a top 12 to 15 passer in the league. He's probably closer to 20th overall. You got Daniel Jones is coming off of a dud who is on the verge, maybe of being supplanted as a starter if he can't pick it up. So it's going to be a little bit better defensively just by default. But I want them to tackle better. I want them to have better vision coming downhill in the rush game defensively. And I want them to be more assignment sound on the back end. I don't need coverage bust. It could have been even worse than it was with receivers running free. Just make life more difficult on the Giants. What you're talking about on defense is kind of my Greg Williams corollary. It's sort of how I feel about defense in general to have a great defense. You need great players who are unblockable and are excellent. If you don't have that, if everyone's assignment sound, you just make it tough on the opponent. That's what Greg Williams's whole deal was. I don't care what you do, Grant Paulson linebacker, you put your right shoulder on the left shoulder of the pulling guard. And that's your job. Then the next guy's got a job. We all do that. Our defense is okay. That's kind of how I viewed it. That's not what it looked like in week one, especially with a couple of defensive minds. Well, the entire league, there's a trend that doesn't quite mesh with what we see in Washington. What I mean by that is it's gotten harder to throw the football since last season in the NFL. It's been the easiest it ever was before over the last several years. The getting's been good at the quarterback position, but that's kind of drying up a little bit. We had 34 passing touchdowns between all 32 teams in week one of the NFL season 34. There were 61 of them three years ago. We have not seen numbers this low. Only eight of 24 quarterbacks in football went over one and a half passing touchdowns in week one. Think about that. Obviously, Baker Mayfield was not only one of them, but he's one of the league leaders in every category 17 quarterbacks through the ball 20 or more times and had under 200 yards passing. That has not happened since the merger. 24 quarterbacks had one or fewer passing touchdowns despite 20 plus attempts. That has not happened since the 1970 merger. So the trend in the league is everybody's running with cover two deep safe fees, basically forcing you underneath intermediate and you're having to go on these 10, 12, 14 play drives. You're either going to run the football and get your three to five at a time and just go on a long drive. You're going to have to throw the ball short and safe. Not against Washington last week. Nope. They didn't get with the program. Not against Washington at any point last year where this was the trend in the league. So I don't know why they can't do that. Just be like everybody else. Not every defense is great. You have your safeties deep. You force things underneath. You make a team go on a 10 play drive like the Giants. That's not that good by the way. I think that's really smart. There's a penalty that sets you behind the chains. There's a turnover eventually. They're not going to score 30 if they got to get 11 plays to get their 75 yards. A bit of a crossroads here. If you're if you're Dan Quinn and Joe Whit, your ideal defense isn't that what you're just describing because these guys are wired to think our defense can be so good. We'll generate turnovers. We'll wreak havoc. We'll abdictate to people and all the machismo words that use a press conference about violent arrivals and people aren't going to like playing us and we're thumping whatever you want to call it. You may not have the players for that yet. And that's kind of my point is this may be a swallow your ego time and go, you know what? We're going to have to give some stuff up. We're not good enough to take everything away just yet. We can we can take a couple things away. Like nothing over the top. No over the top touchdowns. No busted coverages where guys point each other and then after the play, they pointed to let you know that it wasn't my fault or whatever. None of that crap played in the show. Make Daniel Jones throw it to one Dale Robinson four or five times on a drive and see if that gets you a punter hopping on the field. Maybe you have to check your ego at the door. Let's go to Brian who's in Leesburg. What do you want to see done differently in week two for the commanders against the Giants? Well, I tell you the one thing I want to see in it's kind of it's going to be kind of like pushing a snowball of a sand dune is I would like to see a coverage sack. I know that's near impossible. But that's one thing I'd like to see. And the other question I have for you guys is so I have to go to a specific gate at the stadium to pick up my waffles. Great question. You got him anywhere. It's a great question. Great question. Thank you. Which gate was it? Do we know it it is the there's a I think it's called the supermarket gate. Supermark. I think you have to go to that one. I think there's like a wah wah gate. Maybe you could buy some frozen ones. This quick in the supermarket. Mm hmm. I believe is the only place to go. Go to wagmans. Kevin's in Arlington. Hello, Kevin. How are you? Hey, happy Friday boys buddy. Yeah, I think I just read something that our expected points added on D with a negative 16 plus we were 30 second boys 30 second in the NFL in the opening weekend. Now I've talked on this station with you guys before about the significant investment on the from coaching to free us to draft each and to the salary cap allocation. That is unacceptable. Part of that obviously is we didn't get them off the field on third and et cetera. But I'm expecting a completely different performance defensively because if we don't get that what are we doing here? The offense is going to be fine over time. I think it's got got obvious limitations that wide out, et cetera. But they're not the problem. It's defensively a huge problem. And I just, I can't accept it anymore. I'm pissed. Appreciate you buddy. I'm not digging into the rankings after a game. After two games, I'll look at them after three. I'll start caring about them. So it's a little early for me. I think they're 29th in yards per plate offensively, but not really on my radar just yet. Because as an example, the Ravens are 31st. I think they're going to be a really good defense. They played the Chiefs in the first game of the season kind of got to a point where there's a little bit of a shootout back and forth at the end of the game. So some of that can just be match up and weird stuff. But I understand the frustration for sure. Yeah, that it was as bad as it was in the secondary. They don't have a manual forbs. They're going to run more Michael Davis, more no egg binogony. Maybe that helps. But what do you need to see to feel better about the commanders in week two? That is the question. 800, 636, 10067. If you'd like to hop on the MGM National Harbor listener lines, we're granting Danny top of the hour. Dan Duggan was going to join us from the athletic covers. The Giants will help us scout the opponent. Hey, Mike Vlinny here, host a cash to ticket alongside my partner, Jim Costa. It's really simple. Are you tired of podcasts claiming they're a bunch of pro bettors when they live in their mommy's basement? Are you tired of podcasts that claim they hit 80% of the games? When really, they just lose like most of us. Think cash to tickets the spot for you. We're real, we're transparent, we're having a hell of a good time with it. And we sit there and we're there for the sweat with you guys. We're just trying to figure it out just like you. Follow and listen to cash the ticket on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. The week to slate is outstanding. We'll rank the best games from this second NFL weekend, but even beyond some of the obvious really good games down the board a little ways, there's a lot of entry. What are the Packers going to look like without Jordan love? Is there any way Malik Willis can turn his career around in a winning organization in a good offensive situation. The Colts are at the Packers. The Browns play the Jaguars. Feels like a loser leaves town game there. Someone's going to start Owen to Trevor Lawrence just has to get it going. He got paid. There's the wall seem to be caving in though with people saying that he just hasn't taken a step forward. And speaking of quarterbacks who aren't well liked to Sean Watson has been terrible since he got to Cleveland. And last week was no different. And then a chance for a surprise to an oh, either the Seattle Seahawks or the New England Patriots is going to be unbeaten through two games. Mike McDonald had his boys ready to play in Seattle. Yeah, they it wasn't a lot of style points in that one. It was very early Pete Carroll for them, you know, where it was like playing some defense, making it hard for Bonix and company hand at the Kenneth Walker 17,000 times. So not a lot of style points in their week one W, but they were the better team. And I think they're going to be just whatever's above Frisky in the NFC West. It's every Cisco's division, but I think Seattle's a playoff team and you can make the case they should have beaten the Broncos. They should beat the Patriots. So they probably should get to two and oh, but I'll be curious to see it, New England's defense. They have a good plan. They're a really solid unit. If they could somehow squeak out a win, they won with nothing on offense, nothing from the passing game. Really nothing from Jacobi Brissette. They ran the ball. They played defense. Wouldn't that be interesting if a team that everybody was thinking was going to pick first overall and win three or four games started two and oh in New England, but we'll get into some of those story lines as we go today on Grant and Danny. Let's get back to the phones. The question for you guys is what do you need to see done differently? They feel a lot better about Washington. You gave us an answer on offense. I gave you one on defense. So let's both flip on the offensive side of the ball. I need a traditional legitimate NFL passing game where I've got wide receivers involved early. And I don't mean just on screens at the line of scrimmage, which I have no problem with. You can major and throw into running backs. The screen game, the horizontal rate, you'll get no argument for me. I'm not one of these people who gets angry about checking the ball down, but you've got to throw the ball in the middle of the field. The weak spot of the Giants secondary and passing defense has been the 10 to 19 yard area over the last couple of years with their personnel. That's where you should be able to feast middle of the field 10 to 19. That is long kind of been though one of the weak areas of Cliff Kingsbury's passing attack. And so it's a week on week situation here. Something's got to give scenario. I'll be very curious to see what happens, but I got to get that receiving room going. I got to find a way to include Terry McClure. On defense for me, I need Daniel Jones to look like Daniel Jones. He needs to be uncomfortable, right? I can't have a Dylan G all-star type situation where a guy that's bad against everybody else is good against you. He's, you know, if he completes a pass or scrambles for his life and gets the first down, that's going to happen. But in general, he can't be comfortable. That's something that I wouldn't be able to live with. Let's go out to Forest Hill. Ronnie is on the line on Grant and Danny gave us a call. What's up, Ronnie? Hey, Ronnie. Hey, what's going on? I got a quick question. I don't know. Is there a role in the NFL when the home team's playing at the only game that could be on TV at the time? I don't know that that used to be like that or what because I live in Northern Maryland. And at one o'clock, I got to get my antenna out so I can get picked up Fox five because the Baltimore Fox is not picking it up. But I do know CBS in nine is giving the Ravens game and the Redskins are going to be on Fox. I just don't understand why. Because who wants to watch the Rams in Arizona at four o'clock with everybody's been watching Cincinnati and Kansas City. I don't want to watch my skins. I'll get it. Well, I don't know what to do about that. But I want to get off the field of third down. Last week, we had Tampa back in and long and every time I'm on third down, we couldn't stop third down. I wanted to be able to stop third down. I'm tired of losing the Giants. I'm tired of trying going there. I beat the crap out down Jones. Let's get this W. Yeah, make it look harder than it should be. Yeah, nine to 13 last week for Tampa to his point on third down. That's good call. And it was worse than that because that doesn't include the penalty conversion. That's right. And they I think three of those in the game at least. Yeah, penalties on the defense three came on third down in terms of the broadcasting right. So there's also it's a weird stuff. And then these nebula zones like in Columbia or different parts where they're like, we assume you want the Ravens and whether you do or don't, that's what you're getting. Yeah, I don't know the answer to that. But there's no rule that two games can't be on at the same time because five and nine routinely have two games on at the same time. That is a problem of the past for your pal. Thanks to my good friends. Oh, look at the NFL Sunday ticket. Look at that. Let's go to Luke in DC on Grant and Danny. Hello, Luke. Hey, boys. How are you? Good. Hey, I could give two turns about tell the trip Tuesday. I hope they're using today. That's a great thing. You're out Friday. Let's figure it out on Friday. Let's figure out how to get Terry open. Let's figure out how to have some coverage. Let's figure it out. How to how to move the ball down the field without it being jade and being hero ball. That's what I want figured out Friday. Thank you, Luke. Here I go. It's but first of all, it's a great tip of the cap on that one. Second. I already have the tell the truth Monday thing is nails on the chalkboard to me already. It's it's just I don't know how to describe it. Maybe it's me. I'm too cynical. I'm too much of a jerk, whatever. Dan Quinn seems unbelievably likable. I love how he handles himself in pressers. He calls everyone by their names. He knows everybody. He's very, very friendly. Like all systems go there, but the whole this is tell the truth Monday. We're not going to dodge any questions. We're going to really answer everything. And this is how we'd be accountable. It just it makes my skin crawl. Tell what if they were six and one? I'd go put it on a t-shirt, you guys. You know what I mean? Like I love it when you get shellacked in week one after all the offseason writer and stuff. I'm like, you know what? I don't want to hear. Anything but I'm sorry. Dan Duggan covers the Giants for the athletic. We're going to scout the opponent with him coming up right at the top of the hour and seven minutes. Also, this hour on Grant and Danny, our commanders over under projections will go player by player and see what kind of yardage props we like. You're listening to the fan. Hey Mike Valenti here host a cash to ticket alongside my partner Jim Costa. It's really simple. Are you tired of podcasts claiming they're a bunch of pro betters when they live in their mommy's basement? Are you tired of podcasts that claim they hit 80% of the games? When really, they just lose like most of us. Think cash to tickets the spot for you. We're real. We're transparent. We're having a hell of a good time with it. And we sit there and we're there for the sweat with you guys. We're just trying to figure it out just like you. 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Let's scout the opponent and help us preview Sunday's game. We've got Dan Duggan senior writer for the athletic who covers the Giants. So Dan why don't we begin with how loud the noise is surrounding Daniel Jones going into week two. I don't mean literally because the boost started after the second play of the opening drive. So it was pretty loud today on Sunday but I think that kind of sums up how ugly things and how toxic things really have been around him and the team and it's only continued through the week. The one thing that's always kind of stood out about Daniel Jones is kind of remarkable. There's there's a lot of bad quarterback. There's a lot of overpaid players. Nobody seems to take as many shots from other players whether it be current or former than Jones and you know I think that's ratcheted up already here where you know your Vikings had a linebacker say he felt bad for Jones at points during the game when the crowd is brewing in but you just never really hear players talk that way about opponents. So that's the reason the outside. And then you know around the team the fan base here is like done you know it's one game into year six and everyone just feel like they're ready to move on. You know further inside the wall. I mean the team is around him around him but you can't imagine there'll be a very long leash if he performs like he did in the opener. You know it could honestly be like Sunday could be a make a break for him because if he goes out there and does not play well against the Washington defense just gave up 37 points to Baker Mayfield. I think that's a really probably considering making a change. Yeah I mean whether he's good or not is a whole nother conversation to your point. But why is he such a punching bag as you put it. I always say with quarterbacks you're either in the cool kids club or you're not. But you get the jacket where I mean Baker Mayfield has stunk for a long time. He's now played a lot better here since last year in Tampa. But like he was a dog though and guys liked him and rallied around him. I mean Daniel Jones just never had that cologne. I don't know if he went to Duke or he's nerdy or he's just quiet like what is it about him that makes him such a target. Yeah I don't know it's not like a sociological experiment to do. He has like the kind he comes from that sort of privilege background a Duke guy and I think you know this probably he came into the Giants and you know everyone thought he's gonna be the next Eli Manning and he was just sort of like put on a pedestal maybe he didn't deserve. But I mean you go back you got booed by Giants fans on draft night when that pick out and out. So you see he didn't have a very long runway and then even the funnier type of Baker Mayfield come up near the first two answers. He took a shot at him in a GQ interview before Jones even played a game saying basically like he was saying how teams don't know how to draft quarterback. Then he used Joe as an example like this guy's never won and you know a team took him in the top 10. So yeah I don't know what is exactly he just sort of has that aura bottom where people don't really like him and don't give them the doubt and you know that his play has certainly not helped quiet that down and it's obviously you know had the one stretch there in 2022 where you know they thought maybe he could be the guy and then since then it's been just an absolute disaster. Basically since the since the ink dried on that contract it's been all down hill from them from there from there. The athletic stand dug in with this here on Grant and Danny. So Dan this is tough to quantify but just want to get your sense of this. My neighbor buddy mine is a Giants fan and this is what he said to me. I actually hope he doesn't play well this weekend because I don't want anyone to have any kind of excuses like how common do you think that sentiment is among Giants fans almost like actively rooting against him to force some kind of change versus just booing because they're frustrated. No I think that's real. I think there's a lot of Giants fans just done with him. You know they you know they didn't love the contract but they feel like all right you know maybe that playoff season was the start of something obviously last year was a disaster. You know a lot of fans want to move on in the draft you know we saw hard knocks that you know Shane and the Giants wanted to move on with that ad sort of a backdrop. I think it kind of takes a little bit of safety in that way. It was where like the team can't shield him and say oh we love Daniel. Like now we saw very clearly that you were willing to trade up. I mean Brian Dabel is in hard knocks saying he'd be willing to trade up for Jayden Daniel. So that just kind of makes for an awkward backdrop to a lot of this stuff like this week. Brian Dabel has to answer questions about that. It's just kind of awkward. So he knows the team doesn't really have his back but so you're asking about the fans. No I definitely think that's the sentiment that exists because listen I think what the most likely outcome is is you know Daniel Jones goes out on Sunday plays okay you know it's a thruster 200 yards two touchdowns they win 20 to 13 so it kind of quiets down the bench Daniel Jones chatter but where did they get the team you know I mean they're gonna be one in one then they play at Cleveland then they get Dallas on a Thursday night so probably right back where we are you know right now in a couple of weeks. So I can see fans just saying I'm gonna rip the bandaid off go out and think in Washington there'll be no excuses they'll have to make a change because listen I don't think Drew Locke and perform any better necessarily but I can at least sympathize with fans who just want something different and I think that's where a lot of fans are at. I was actually gonna say well where does it get them if they play Drew Locke or Tommy DeVito. I don't know that that gets them anywhere either. Our guest is Dan Duggan covers the Giants for the athletic. How about the rest of the offense? Where's the offensive line at? And it's billed I know that was a big emphasis watching their off season hard knocks they were terrible last season gave up a record number of sex and what about the weaponry and how it's coming along the league neighbors being the key ingredient. Yeah and listen if it was just Daniel Jones playing bad in the opener I think it would be a lot easier to stomach but nobody really played well in that game again he's the focal point and you know if he played better I think it would help other guys but nobody really had a good game for the Giants. The offensive line was certainly not the disaster it was last year which I mean I was historically bad and it was just I mean they were just putting guys out there that weren't even NFL players they're much better than that but I think the ceiling for this group is like league average and again that was I can't understand that would be a huge improvement for the Giants but it's still not gonna be a great line you have Andrew Thomas that left tackle who's a great player everyone else is kind of journeyman vets or John Douglas Smith is a second year guy who didn't really show a lot of his rookie so they're just hoping that's a passable group but I would say in the opener they were I mean the run blocking wasn't very good even look at the box score five sacks one of those was Jones trying to trying to scramble he got caught like at the line of scrimmage a couple he kind of I think I think the protection was fine he either held the ball too long or scrambled into sacks so the whole line was fine wasn't great but it was fine and then yeah the weaponry obviously you know they want to take on Barclays score three touchdowns last Friday night and then you know I think they know there's a downgrade there but certainly Devin Singletary and none of the those young backs really distinguish themselves so yeah because Neighbors is the guy I mean he he was awesome in training camp even last week you know this first game was quiet game you know the offense they didn't do much filling four catches for you know 60 some on guard so like if that's gonna be a bad game as a rookie I think it kind of tells you you know the impact he could have but aside from him nobody made any plays like I mean it was just a really depressing effort I mean it's got six points both of them came on short fields after turnovers so wasn't as if they even had like one really good drive it just they just did not play well I mean obviously said started the quarterback but nobody had a great game for the for the Giants Dan you've you've chronicled this thing for a while and we're talking about sort of the state of the union for the Giants here regardless of what's been going on over the last several years the Giants have just owned Washington eight three and one over their last 12 matchups I know neither team was particularly good but that's like chiefs over the Raiders kind of stuff you know what I mean like what do your best quantified how's that happen how's it been that way no it's crazy and that's what I'm like you know if you're Daniel Jones you have to have kind of a make or break game he couldn't have picked a better opponent you know this is certainly the team that he he has to feel confident going at now I know it's kind of like silly for us to say that because you go back to some of those wins that's like two or three coaching staff to go for the Giants and probably for the commanders you know as I think about it but it is there is still something he goes in that building he certainly feels comfortable you know some of the players obviously have been there for a while but yeah I mean I do think there is a difference where I think he had lost his success you know against Jack Del Rio defenses so you know and he did not have any much success against the equivalent defenses the last three years now again I know the personnel in Dallas much different than what you guys have in Washington right now but that might be a little bit of an equalizer whereas you know I think that they had they were very comfortable going against that defense the last couple of years so I think at least schematically you know it'll probably be more of a challenge this week you know I don't know if Washington's personnel is you know kind of up to par but yeah I mean listen if you're the Giants there's nobody you want to see on the schedule more this Sunday for you know things are already looking pretty bleak here so if you're gonna try and turn things around in Washington that schedule has to be kind of a best-case scenario for them Dan Duggan covers the Giants for the Athletic in New York on Grant and Danny am I wrong in assuming neighbors is the only guy really who can dominate Washington secondary which is a real poor spot for this defense but I don't worry about anybody other than Malik neighbors yeah I mean listen I would say this like the Giants strength of their offense has to be their receivers but yeah it's a lot of it is kind of potential or young guys who haven't really you know made made their marks yet but so obviously neighbors is that guy who I think you know if someone got a game you know a game breaking performance to be him you have Wanda Robinson or you know he's kind of an underneath guy sort of a slot gadgety guy so you know he'll have the ball in the stands a lot so you know maybe he makes a big play um Darius Layton's kind of like old reliable here where you know no one ever like seems to want him and then by the end of the year you look up and he leads the team receiving and then Jalen Hyatt's kind of a wild card he really didn't play a lot in the opener but I got a trade it up for the third round last year I believe against Washington the game here last year he had a long catcher too like he'll do that like he if you know if you leave him one on one on the outside uh he's a threat to you know have a four-yard catch down the sidelines the problem and why he didn't play a lot is he hasn't really developed much of anything else um but I mean that's four guys there that at least bring something to the table um so again Daniel Jones is gonna have a ballpark performance it's gonna be because of those guys downfield and chiefly neighbors I mean he is definitely the guy who has that ability um to really be a kind of a game-changing presence Dan you mentioned the hard knocks offseason it was great theater for us I can't imagine it was you know but anything less than that for you guys up there especially you know just the the the access is just unbelievable what we got a lot of insight but I wonder what the feeling was after that or kind of even during for Brian Dable and Joe Shane uh respectively just to me I wouldn't be inspired if I was watching that as a Giants fan going they're talking about players the way like me and my fantasy buddies talk about it together did you have a good year last year now I was kind of slowed down as a running backer what just it was like this surface level conversation making these multi-million dollar decisions what's the big picture thought right now on Dable and Shane no I'm with you I definitely had that impression too like really that's that why you made these decisions I mean listen we we have to at least acknowledge that you know they're in these buildings 16 18 hours a day and we're getting snippets of conversation but I'm sure some of maybe the real granular stuff either HBO edit out or the Giants didn't want out because they're competitive reasons they don't want maybe want to get into there they're analytical breakdowns of certain players but yeah some of those conversations definitely came across very surface level I mean I think what happens a lot of times with the you know how these regimes are evaluated the coach is kind of the wanders in the firing line he talks to me every day you see him on the sideline every Sunday but I think Dable has probably done a better job in his two years and listen that's not saying much based on where they are right now but if you look in the totality of it you know one coach of the year in 2022 because it got a pretty weak roster to the playoffs no one saw that coming won a playoff game you know Shane came in obviously inherited a bad situation like every every new GM does you know not too many GMs win the Super Bowl and then right off into the sunset so he had a you know a bad roster a bad cap situation but now we're in year three this is the time when you want to see that that first draft class you have two top ten picks came on Thibodeau Evanil in that first draft class you want to start seeing those guys making strides you want to see them free agent additions the trades all these things he's done really start to get your team you know over the hump and it feels like they have best they're running in place so I mean I think that this is a big year for both of those guys again usually the GM he has like more grace but I mean I just look at this roster right now and man for year three this is a lot of holes and you know the biggest one being quarterback you've been here three years they haven't addressed it you know they obviously doubled down on Daniel Jones after one year so now you're going to next off season if we fast forward and things don't change still needing to fill the most important position on the field and then not feeling like at least the rest of the roster is in great shape yeah it's it's like I said you can probably hear it in my hands to do things are pretty bleak around the team right now and I know it's only one week and things can change but um it was very discouraging start that's relatable content I will say damn although with year one of a new quarterback and a new coach we're gonna be a lot more patient but I think people are expecting a lot more than we saw in that first game something you guys know all about speaking of expectations though the one area of the Giants that I feel like just needs to be good because the talent is there is getting to the quarterback you know they trade for Brian Burns they still have uh Kvon Thibodeau who only had one pressure last week but his own to Washington Dexter Lawrence is one of the best players in the league at the position so I guess number one how did they do against Minnesota I know Sam Darnold lit it up just getting home and then secondly is there any reason to believe they shouldn't be able to to win the line of scrimmage up front against Washington this week yeah I know so Minnesota disappointed like I said all the way around the only guy that you could probably say showed up was Dexter Lawrence I mean he is just a monster like he really is at that point now where he could maybe take the mantle from you know Aaron Donald being retired and you know Chris Jones is still kind of at the top of his game but he's got to be in that conversation I think this year I mean he just he just dominates guys it's crazy and I assume you'll see it again on Sunday I know Washington's in tears maybe better than their tackles but I mean I don't think anybody there is gonna be able to match up with Dexter Lawrence 101 and he beats double teams so it's like he's he's just a problem we can week out but the edges were we're a disappointment you know I mean like they said they made all that investment in Brian Burns with the trade and the huge contract and I said I touched on Thibodeau you know number five pick a couple years ago like they have built this team and this defense if they're gonna win it's because the pass rush is gonna dominate games I mean these the secondary is young it's improving so it needs to be you know that front four just getting after the quarterback did not happen Sam Darnold completed his first twelve passes was never really in trouble just kind of picked them apart methodically you know that obviously that's why you lose games 28 to 6 they just couldn't impact the game enough now you fast forward to Washington the one thing Minnesota has is really good tackles I look at Washington's tackles they're certainly not in that class and if Brian Burns and came on Thibodeau don't you know kind of dominate this game or have a you know big impact on this game that would be alarming because I mean you again you just look at the talent you're going against and what the Giants have invested in these guys they need to take this game over I mean I guess with Jane Daniels maybe you're not gonna get as many sacks because you know he's obviously elusive and he's gonna take off but they need to be chasing him out of that pocket making life hard for him because again that's how this defense is built to win it's not going to be because they're this great secondary it has to be the guys up front taking control of the game Dan any key injuries or maybe like half a dozen guys that probably just need to rest to give Washington a good chance and then give me your prediction yeah I mean the only one that's a little bit of a concern is Malik neighbors popped up on the injury report yesterday limited with it says just like knee soreness and you know Dave will said he's fine he's listed as a full participant not questionable but you know we only got to see a little bit of practice today but he you know he doesn't look like a guy he's a hundred percent so I mean listen if that knee doesn't feel great you know I think that could help Washington for sure because again it's touched on he's kind of the engine that's going to make this thing go but again they're saying there's no concern so you know I guess we'll just see him he kind of played every snap in his first game as a rookie so they're certainly going to lean on him so if his workload is limited that'll be noteworthy and as far as prediction I put it in print this morning so I don't want to contradict myself I think I said like Giants 23 to 16 like I think it'll be a typical Giants commanders game certainly not the most beautiful aesthetically pleasing game I think you know Daniel Jones will find a little bit of that magic to do enough to kind of like save his job for a week and you know again like I just think if this defense can't control this game like I don't know you know that I don't know who they're going to stop because it needs to be a lot better than it was last week against McDonald's Dan thank you for the time and all the insight helping us scout the Giants we appreciate it yeah you got it guys appreciate how Dan's work in the athletic Dan Duggan on Grant and Danny here on the fan Danny it's hilarious to me that the conversations are so similar in the two markets uh-huh I mean it really is amazing I cannot tell you listening right after their game on Tuesday to New York radio about how disappointing week one was thank god you've got disappointed in week two you need to look better on both sides of the ball and you know going into this game if not this game then when it's like the spider-man mean I mean these teams are looking at each other just pointing at each other the the difference and Dan pointed this out if we're still here in year three like they are of this Shane Daybell thing oh I believe it I mean oh my god I blood pressure medication uh a padded room like I will be able to handle it so that's the only saving grace to me is that this is year one cleaning up the the you know the polter guys from Ron and the Marty party we're still trying to do that more so that we are building towards the future I think so maybe we need to be more patient but I don't have three years of patients to tell you that but look at some of the fandal projections for how the game is going to play out what do we think Jaden Daniels, Terry McLaurin, Brian Robinson, Austin Echler having store for the Giants we'll do some over under us with the stats next on Grant and Danny here on the FAN. Hey Mike Filenny here host a cash to ticket alongside my partner Jim Costa it's really simple are you tired of podcast claiming there are a bunch of pro betters when they live in their mommy's basement are you tired of podcast that claim they had 80 percent of the games when really they just lose like most of us think has to tickets the spot for you we're real we're transparent we're having a hell of a good time with it and we sit there and we're there for the sweat with you guys we're just trying to figure it out just like you following listen to cash the ticket on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts you thanks to Toby for the update welcome back to Grant and Danny on the fan I heard him talking about Maryland Virginia as part of the college slate this weekend used to be the ACC rivalry I remember that we would get that one every year here's what I don't understand though how is Maryland a two and a half point favorite only on Virginia uh Maryland came into the season way different conversation than the Cavaliers obviously the look ahead line I saw last week on that game was almost 10 points now I know that Maryland lost in Virginia won this past week and in pretty impressive fashion Virginia came back to stun Wake Forest 31 30 and they threw the ball for like 357 and three through the air but still two and a half points separating Maryland and Virginia even though the games in Charlottesville makes no sense it seems that seems a little light that's not a good sign if you're the Terps no it is not coming off of their 27 24 dud where they lost Michigan State which was a dagger because everything was aligning for them to get off to a strong start again this year if you my best buddies went to UVA and after I think I think they lost week one this year I can't remember when this was but there was a funny text chain that roll on where they were sending fake headlines like fake editorials where it's like column should Virginia cancel its football program column should they take all the money it was going to be for football and put it into a volleyball like just like stuff like that because it's gotten so bad so that's not a great sign for that for the Terps being for real or them being back or big back or he a Terp or whatever we're supposed to be doing Virginia's two and now they just destroyed Richmond in the first quarter of the last year and then they beat Wake Forest yeah but regardless I was very surprised I thought that'd be six and a half seven point line but basically you know it's four points separate the two teams you know with the home field advantage or whatever baked into that line all right let's uh bring producer Daris onto the show so that we can go through some projections for the commanders players we'll use my beloved fandell sports book app to get some of the numbers we're looking at their individual props so these are the yards they're projecting for various players you and I will play a little over under here well hello there granted Danny hi Daris Jaden Daniels let's start with QB1 of the Washington commanders his passing total is set at 197 and a half over or under and as an under situation I don't believe in their passing game I don't think it's uh dynamic enough I don't think they've got that tool in the bag just yet I'll say over that's a low total in the 100s and it's a game really there's either way the game script plays out you should be able to get there you should either be able to get to 200 because you're balanced and it's the giants and you're making plays and that's why you win or if you're chasing the game and you're trailing then it's really hard not to throw for 200 yards and it come from behind fashion if you're on the field for four quarters so if it was 235 or something I'd feel very very different but in the 190s plus all week long jaden dangos has been hearing that he ran too much that he didn't throw the ball enough I think he makes a point he stands in the pocket he makes some throws down field remember they almost hit on a 70 yard touchdown yep this past week return mccorn was wide open that gets you a third of the way to that total or more that's like 35 percent 40 percent of that total so I will I'll say they get there this week the reigning rookie of the week here in 2024 jaden dangos has his rushing total set at 51 and a half rushing yards after rushing for 88 last week that's an over 88 was low considering it was 14 attempts like true attempts when you take away the kneel down and the rushing attempt they gave him that was on a anerrant pass behind the line of scrimmage so it's really like 14 for 88 but there's not a explosive like 38 yarder in there which is coming you know maybe it's a 50 yard or maybe it's a 70 yard touchdown and that that's not out of the realm of possibility we're gonna get a couple of those I think this year with jaden daniel so I'm going to say over 50 plus yards you saw it like I did he wants to run he is here to chew bubblegum and make plays with his feet and he might be out of bubblegum I just hope they incorporate more of the passing game with it but this is the superpower let him wear the cape let's do this thing I'm hoping for like a seven eight carry performance where he's in the 60s or 70s rushing and I think he'll get there this is what the offense can do he is going over that total that that's going to be my sort of stance here until for the notice until proven otherwise until defense is taken away until this offense adjusts and shows me signs of life I'm gonna hammer that over let's keep it with the running game brian robinson said it 52 and a half rushing yards this one's a little trick here I actually like this giant's front better than tampus front I know they were a little bit banged up talking about last week I think the giants are smart enough to go we can't allow this we're going to make them beat us through the air so I think they actually bottle up brian robinson this week I think got a slight under right around 49 50 yards I think total over for me for b-rob watching them in the Vikings they didn't do a very good job on minnesota's running game particularly in the part of the game where minnesota wasn't obviously running because they were ahead by a million points you know early on with balance erin jones ripped off a 19 yarder average 6.7 a pop there was just a lot of space to be had there the Vikings did the correct thing with the smart offensive-minded head coach who I love and and admire and kevin o'connel they came out throwing the football to set up the run and it worked very well but I think there's going to be enough room there robinson's going to run for over that total and we'll close out the rushing totals with austin eckler our weekly guest on tuesday's at five o'clock on grand danny of course 18 and a half rushing yards under and i'm going to order about it they're not going to give him the football enough i'm going to scream and yell on monday about his usage i just don't see them seeing the clearest day obvious fact that he needs the football more y'all go under as well i think he's going to be way more involved this week i've got to imagine that they saw what i saw when they watched back and saw that he was shifty and had some wiggle in the open field and just did a lot of things well but i think they're going to prioritize getting the football through the air would not surprise me honestly if he had like four or five carries you know out of the shotgun and if he does i think that's over 20 so in fact i'm kind of talking myself into the over here if you just did just live right there's not too late i'll say over five carries like 24 yards but i do think it's going to be like a six catch game for him for somewhere around 60 yards or so i think it's going to be a very productive austin eckler game i think he and robinson will be the big producers in their offense for daniels if the commanders are going to get the air game going they've got to get terry michlorin going they have his receiving total set at forty eight and a half that is just so sad by the way wide receiver one nfl offense forty eight and a half is the over under 23 million dollar man or whatever he is i mean oh my god uh neighbors just by way of example is 66 and a half in this game that's his over under that's the hey people are going to be on both sides of this people on both sides of terry michlorin's sub 50 yards oh my god everyone should be so embarrassed uh under he's a receiver please for washing them i'll say over because it's very very low i don't feel great about it i don't think he's going to go for a hundred or catch 10 balls but 48 yards i need him to get 51 on seven catches or something just falling forward a couple times after screens i will say he goes over that things are so rough they don't even have another receiver listed with props here so we're going to go to the running backs again ryan robinson said at 11 and a half receiving yards well that's a easy over and i'll just skip ahead to austin eckler what's is that austin eckler who you can listen to on tuesday's with granny danny you're almost 7 to 5 right there 19 and a half receiving yards for austin eckler over for both i mean again i think they are the keys to the offense there is a i'm watching austin eckler miked up today the commander's put out this like six minute video of him miked up in tampa bay and he's as you can imagine as advertised like so likable and just a good dude roaming around talking everybody but at one point like after and we don't know what drive it was but presumably one of the two good ones uh dan quinn came over to him and brian robinson and he's like there you go guys way to do it that's who we are right there keep it up and i don't know if he meant like he basically said something like you guys got it going that's who we are like there was never really a drive where they ran it well with those two so i'm guessing he means who we are is we're gonna throw it to you two and you can matriculate the ball i don't know and there wasn't enough context there but i do think they're both going to catch a lot of passes uh this season and they're both going to go well over those total yep over over uh respectively for robinson and eckler uh that is something i am going to probably i may even wait for some money on that because this they they're not wide receivers this is where the offense is going that's what they do still looking for prop on another wide receiver into scan no don't happen here i mean theo johnson has a prop in this game who is the o johnson they there's a little go under who's the o johnson right now if you're in your car who's the o johnson don't look it up you feel so good about the o johnson being a nobody i don't know who the o johnson is is my point i have never heard the name theo johnson it's why i read that guy's got a prop on fandall all right no other washing your wide out has a prop come on it's early why do you sleep on the silly tight end from pin state what's going on come on theo johnson the o johnson uh zak hurts they do have a prop for him at 22 and a half receiving yards over yeah i'm shocked he didn't do more last week or wasn't targeted 30 some last week right he did but a couple of those were on the final drive garbage time a couple little hit shrouds uh he needs to be more involved there's no reason i mean if you're not going to throw to receivers by god please throw to a tight end i've got over there also i think he can fall down three or four times just get past that marker uh we'll do a couple of johns here just for a food and daniel jones they have his passing total set at 208 and a half 208 and a half i am right there i'll say over i'm gonna have him at like 217 now i think they run the ball pretty well in this game that's nice to my sneaky thought i think this is a devin single dairy game um but i think malleak neighbors goes for like 86 and daniel jones goes for about 215 or so you know he's gonna have a big games theo johnson theo johnson by the way he's now destined to have a great game every time please i'm begging you guys every time theo johnson gets a target a catch is involved in any way please tweet danny and tell danny it's his fault yeah theo johnson has a prop as all i'm saying uh over daniel jones is playing washington he goes for 246 and two scores that's so tough and then i believe you guys both already have the overs on malleak neighbors who set at 66 and a half well i don't know that you've said anything yet danny but i definitely do i mean malleak neighbors i'm hard in the paint for him you guys know my hot take was i liked him better than marvin harris and jr coming out um now that i'll end up probably looking foolish cuz erison's so refined and legit but i love malleak neighbors i thought he was the best receiver in america last year's big big fan i don't think they got a guy that can cover him uh the only hope in my opinion for him not having a really good game is that whatever this knee thing is bothers him enough that he's not as explosive and uh as dynamic as he normally will be that's where i'm going i'm actually going to take the under on this one because i think as knee is bothering him and i do think that the uh a slight adjustment will be made this week where he'll be bracketed blanketed they'll be all sorts of attention paid to him because no one else could beat you it wasn't the case at Tampa bay last week where mcmillum could beat you godwin can beat you we're shot right out of the back field beat them everyone can no one can do anything on that offense in new york so i actually think neighbors will be limited he's going to go for 60 yards we need to put these together to kind of figure out who ended up hitting on more after each game rather than just throwing them out into the ether i think that could be fun but mainly as a reminder i want you when fio johnson catches a pass to put down your waffle box that you got when you walked in right put that down under your seat grab your phone and then tweet at funny danny and let him know that the great the great theo johnson theo johnson just made a play you don't remember him at pen state at all huh not even a little bit when was he there last year is he a rookie is he a seventh year like if you guys were like he actually went to hawaii i wouldn't know the difference like a guy that i have never heard of until right now has a fan doe prop like no one's talking about the most important point everyone's making fun of me about this theo johnson thing which is fine like i've screamed all off season washington needs more receiver there's no other receiver on their on the board here that's even got a prop worth investigating you see what i'm saying like sure like the the the company that is in business to to say hey we want don't you want to wager on this guy don't you want to find out if he has more or less than this there's nobody that even registers for a company that's in the business to make money i understand you're putting i'm not upset i'm just trying to let you know theo johnson if you johnson was one of the big names in the draft i mean at tight end he was like the athlete everybody thought would go high he went a little later than was thought points round barely he was just outside of the top 100 yeah he's there starting tight end we got benson it was on the field for 10 snaps last week so in your face i guess he is there benson it basically so he didn't play at all uh not caught up all for 18 yards look at that so by the way there's this over there's this over if he if he gash is on a scene route for 18 yards and does that like hey it's a first down friday means we went off the field what little tiny thing made your day better made you smile that nobody else would care about will open up our phones so that you can cheer people up with a little wodef next 800 636 1067 we're blitzing coming up in 20 minutes on the fan you time to figure out how you're winning off the field on grant and danny welcome back thanks for making the show part of your day we'll take you up to 615 tonight the question is what's gone right in your day that you feel good about that made you smile that nobody else would care about these are tiny little mini moral victories you can line up your calls now at 800 6361067 i'll give you an example i will be going to an NFL regular season football game in person oh for the first time in about eight months on sunday and just the smell of that freshly cut grass and the tailgate scene in the parking lot as i'm walking up to the stadium and the fact that i am back at an NFL game is gonna put me in a mood of both nostalgia and happiness and for those things i am winning off the field this morning i was looking for a match to a sock so you'll notice if you look up here GP i've got the same sock on like both feet they're matching socks and that was in doubt i'm looking around i'm scrambling i'm in the sock drawer i find one of these socks i'm like what the hell happened to the other one what's going on and i'm going through and not trying to not unfold folded laundry to find that sock you know i mean because i get here somewhere i'm not going to lose this sock i become determined right i got another dryer i do the move where you touch the roof of the dryer you spin the thing around see maybe it got stuck on one of the sides i'm checking all over the place and wouldn't you know it what had happened was i went back to the original scene of the crime to my room and i'd open up the dresser somehow i don't know how i did this but i did it the matching sock had fallen out of the drawer and gone right behind me you're asking how that happened i have no idea but the long story short is i find the second sock it's not like lost i'm not like frustrated about it it just took a little bit but i found it there for him winning off the field the world's an imperfect place socks find out fall out of drawers all the time danny i have to ask you a question though sure do you normally fold your socks into like the firm ball yeah i do the ball up are you the guy that just the top of the sock folded down no i do the ball up and i'm you too so you have balls of socks yeah and every and every once in a while like generally the way it the way it works around the hums that is like i i hate all things laundry like if if my wife didn't exist i would pay to have my laundry done fold it and return to me whatever the cost i hate it there's nothing i hate more but most of the time it's like hey here's your stuff you can fold it how you want put it away as you want everyone so my wife is like i will do it for you which is so sweet so kind so nice so awesome so she may have a different system sometimes of sock foldage and or ball up or kind of whatever sock ball guy i don't know that she is or isn't it just sort of like she's trying to get through and get a ton which i get i'm not doing me a favor i'm not gonna question the favor so in this case it seems there wasn't a ball up or was there wasn't a firm ball up you follow me when i walled up i i i have i could throw those pair so i think there's like three ways for your socks to be done one is you just have loose socks in your drawer and you match them as you put them which is just insane to me those people are crazy two is what i do and it sounds like what you do which is the sock ball yeah you can play baseball with it yes it's firm you throw it so you would feel it if somebody if it hits you yeah it would hurt but you do that it's it's you know like a tape ball or something hitting you in the back the third thing is just the fold down enough to keep them together but then like the end the other parts of the sock are also loose so if you threw it if there's nothing a ball apart was it like that i think it might have been like that because she her focus is generally on folding shirts and things so meticulously to the point right i go that's a big waste of time that takes too long but that's how she does it sock she's just trying to get through let's get to the listening audience see how they're winning off the field steves and warrant and hello Steve how you doing everybody doing very well good this morning i was running a little little late to work uh aren't away for breakfast burrito left it in their microwave left um half and then uh was didn't have enough time to stop for breakfast but i got to work the boss had bought donuts for everybody so therefore i was winning off the field it's a good feeling when you think you don't have breakfast and then you do somebody has some extra they say would you like some and you say you bet brian and rest and how are you hey what's going on guys hey brian so uh so great you were saying uh a couple weeks ago that you went to an arsenal bar and had a blast right we did we were in Richmond we just stumbled in yeah so this weekend is a massive massive game for arsenal it's the equivalent of cowboys commanders i almost used the old term sure but first thing first uh if you're going to be an arsenal fan you have to learn what do we think it's hot in them and what you reply to that okay anyway um can we say it on the air or we can't do it so we don't like them it is not safe for work okay not like it worked and yeah we don't like them at all but i have two twin boys named Kieran and Declan and i actually named them after arsenal players and i ordered new tips for them and they just came in the mail with their names on the back and the level numbers therefore i am winning off the field there you go yeah for those of you that miss the story Danny and i had an event in Richmond that was a lot of fun to kick off the football season with some of our listeners down there on am nine ten and fm one oh five one uh the sports part that i know down there that i used to go to all the time when i would go to red skin straining camp it's called gusses i walk in and there's an arsenal game on tv and there's 700 arsenal fans chanting and screaming and doing the whole thing every time anybody kicks a soccer ball and by the end i had just kind of fallen in love with the whole vibe and decided i needed to watch more games like that yeah and i was there already somehow like yes that was also weird i'm hanging on my buddy brad we got some time to kill before we had to be at the venue and he's okay there's a bar around the corner you want to just go grab some wings i'm saying yeah great and we walked in and it's like we are on our way so yeah so i'm like how does everyone know the words what is this where i have almost like a cheerleading routine where one of the cheerleaders just says a couple words like aggressive and everyone's like be aggressive be aggressive be aggressive be a g g r s s i v e or you know whatever even in these guys from richmond are singing with like we're a shock sense and we sing like this and it's like i i don't know what this is but like i don't get it and shout something and everyone knew it and they knew immediately tony and woodbridge what's up so nobody wanted the ticket that i was so graciously offering i'm gonna have to go to the game but not all is lost at least i get to while it's g while they perform during the half time so therefore i am winning off the field now by way of nobody wanting your tickets there you go silver linings playbook i think is what we're talking about beat me to it Alex is in woodbridge are you guys happy friday come on uh cotton fans i'd have to say behave arsenal stand up oh that's about what we have stumbled into something here by the way oh wow maybe i got to now watch a game at a tottinambar and i'll tell you is it more fun the rest of the first channel the iris channel right by where the caps and wizards play is a tottinambar okay i am intrigued wow okay um so my dad is sick he lives in north carolina i had to go visit him help take care of him and uh my teenage son plays high school football here in north of virginia it's raining in north carolina this morning and i'm driving back and i'm like man i do not have an inmate after dealing with my sick dad to sit through the rain to watch high school sports because you know this is the good time of year for the weather usually for watching your kid play sports you're not too hot you're not too cold and i'm just like in a crappy mood as i'm driving through north carolina i get to richman sunny blue skies at a boy it's gonna be a perfect night to watch high school football and uh i am therefore winning off the field winning off the field when he does your son play for is he a viking he plays he plays for james madison high school and uh viana in viana all right the war offs madison war off at a boy all right well thank you alice we appreciate you and all the best to your father as well sorry you hear that it's got a vineian seat pleasant on grant and danny what's up venny trellis how you doing today man whole body chilling chilling you too um last night i went out to the movies with a close friend um to the alamo draft house got there a little late um they gave us a 15-minute grace period but we missed it they locked the doors if you couldn't get in so can do anything about the refund because i got their tickets to a fan dango but on our way out the manager quarters at the door gave us some free movie patches for tonight and some free movie snacks so there's why i am winning off the field that we're talking you're going to see venny deal you okay all right i'd like to say i'm going to see that but i'm not going to you got no interest that one i just don't i'm sorry i can't because the original one came out before you were really like around or it seems weird the costume the whole deal it's it's just not for me it is definitely weird it was it's a timbert and weird movie but yeah the first one was great you could stop at timbert right i said just not for you i'm just pretty much out but here's the deal is there popcorn is there some coke zero you could probably trick me into it but you'd have to work at it a little bit but i just have zero interest but i'll go to a movie that there's there's something else i could see i'll go with you zipping out right now let's go see beetle just there isn't actually because i i was just looking the other day and i was like no i don't want to see that it's only want to see that there's a couple things i've already seen that were pretty good but you could find something but for me we're down the depth chart a little ways all right there you go winning off the field on grant and danny good round well done everybody we appreciate you let's blitz next the teams in town you care the most about it five twenty five tonight what will you be saying if the commanders win as opposed to if they lose we're grant and danny so you're going to be able to get a little 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call tonight pregame 615 first pitch 645 jags i was at the game last night the first inning was a nice glimpse of the future i didn't score after that but they did have abrams crews and wood all come to the plate all reach and all come around to score in inning number one i hope we see a lot of that over the years yeah it was really a great start to the game last night and Mitchell parker pitched well unfortunately the defense let him down and he didn't hold it and in fact that was going to be uh the top three in the lineup today but uh breaking news just a moment ago with with davey martina is addressing the media apparently they're going to scratch cj abrams tonight he made that diving play last night kind of jammed up his shoulder a little bit so uh nasi vuneas is going to get the run in short stop tonight so you're not going to have two straight days of those three hitting in the top of the lineup so jags my view towards the end of the season here is you know wins are nice that's kind of how i view it if the process of one of the young pitchers pitches well they're in the game some of the guys that are going to be here do something special or do something that that makes you excited i'm satisfied i love satisfied last night that running catch or diving catch river gonna call it the dylan cruz had in the gap i think i think i saw a five percent catch probability on that ball that he made and the look on his face as he's getting up looking at Jacob young i got what i wanted last night pretty much your thoughts yeah i i mean i that's certainly a way to look at it i mean you know these these guys want to win every day but i mean you're sitting there what it's 65 wins if they win six more games out of the last 16 they would equal last year's win total of 71 but i think when you talk about like Grant mentioned and like you mentioned with with Abrams at the top of the lineup and then cruise here and wood here and those guys batting consecutively and the emergence of the young pitchers you would feel better about this edition of a 71 or so win team than where you were last year so you didn't take the step forward in terms of wins losses necessarily but i think you've taken a step forward in the rebuild dylan cruz being here you like what you see we're always going to have a half season of james wood and i think at least you know the young starters are getting to the finish line pretty well it was good to see urban have a very good start against the Braves after a couple of rough ones good to see parker bounce back after a couple of rough ones and the guy who's really pitched the best over the last month or so is going tonight that's dj hers so i mean these are guys trying to finish off a full major league season basically for the first time yeah dj hers has been a very very fun watch going into the off season here could have something really impressive to build on after six and a third three hits for mitchell parker last night he'll try to add to that in this series jags i posted a poll on this on twitter yesterday but i want to get your thoughts i had a hard time with the nationals player of the year when i got the ballot for their awards for the media um for people that don't know the player and pitcher of the year are different right so they give a pitcher of the year a good guy award and then a player of the year to a position player but because of the the the fact that the kids like wood who have played well came up late and a lot of the guys that were off the decent starts got traded there's only like four guys that were here all season aprons garcia young and ruis i don't know where you at on that well i'm with you and i do have a vote in this and i i haven't voted yet so i'm going to take it up to uh the deadline which is i think it's what next week right i mean uh it would be hard you know whether you know if wood has the highest ops or something hard to vote for a guy for a half season with the guys who've been here i mean clearly if this was taken a month ago would have been cj abrams but i think of of the four players that you mentioned you know probably the most consistent on on both ends has been garcia i mean i i don't know it's i could still be swayed here in the before the precincts closed i mean obviously you you love the defense of young but he hasn't put up the offensive numbers of garcia garcia's been you know in the top ten of the league and in batting average and and had a big step forward offensively and has been you know decent defense simply all it doesn't rate well range she's made the routine plays so i think he certainly merits discussion so it's unfortunately there's not really a stand-alone stand-out so it's it's going to be a tough call yeah i think it's actually pretty fun to see how it plays out with the voting jags we appreciate you will be listening in a little over two hours when you guys take the air yeah i mean dt her starts we're looking forward to hopefully as a good night tonight thank you thank you jags there's our buddy dave jagler him and charlie six fifteen pregame and six forty five first pitch all of our baseball coverage on the fan is presented by t-mobile switch to t-mobile you can get tons of benefits and still save on every plan against atnt and verizon use their savings calculator to find out how at t-mobile dot com slash switch let's move it along on the blitz okay benjamin brown joins us to discuss the nfl benjamin who's got the most on the line this weekend very cliched sports talk type discussion but give me a team a player somebody that needs a good performance yeah i'm i'm gonna go with uh i would say the overall match in between the cleaver and browns and the jagsville jaglers you know say what you want about where they stack up in their division right now but i think two teams that at least internally had you know very much playoff hopes on their minds started off own one uh very much kind of in a muskwin spot and i think you know both quarterbacks in particular i would say need to play quite well so i think it's cleaver and i think it's jack still i think it's the shawl watson intravar Lawrence i think you know who comes out of that in victorious uh is going to be much better off from the overall afc class at triple shirt benjamin i understand it was only a game i promise but i there's not a good reason for kaleb williams to not play pretty well here with everything around him in the near future as he gets this thing going so too early to worry but he was pretty bad in that first game are you surprised at all by that yeah i i was obviously the second half you know things you know definitely with the way of the chicago bears but not necessarily the way of the the bears offensively i think overall um i i think everyone was relatively impressed with the rookie quarterbacks i mean out of the preseason i think basically every single one of them you know we would have had an underwhelming week one-time performance so i think it's a little bit of just you know the navigation overall i think you know offenses uh we're a little bit behind defensively and you know not as much scoring now as much downfield passing so i think overall you know the Texans played a really exciting game let some things very much slip over the top in their week one match against the Indianapolis Colts and i think this is kind of you know a pretty good spot for kaleb williams to get back on track i am expecting a pretty decent performance i think overall i would maybe hold off on any sort of you know long-term proclamation for him until we kind of see this week two sunday football match against the Houston Texans who did themselves let me just let me rephrase it here Ben who kind of changed your mind about them in week number one good or bad yeah i i think for me um it was really the dallas tall boys uh kind of going back to this cleveland brown discussion i thought at least defensively they were going to be uh you know an above average unit uh and to me i think dallas kind of had their way with them from the get-go i think it was seven to three early on uh you know dallas was uh kicking the ball off the Cleveland Browns and it very much kind of felt like the game was already over at that point and dallas did nothing but kind of you know take him to take take advantage of basically everything that the Cleveland Browns put forth so i i like what dallas did i think there was very much some questions about you know the nse east where they stack up how is this deck and seedy land thing gonna resolve and you know although they kind of took it down to the wire they got the contract situations figured out it does seem like at least you know internally they have the structure in place that they want to continue on for past the season and i think overall it allowed for a pretty uh exciting week one performance that i think kind of sets them up well to potentially be you know the front runners in the nfc east here for the midway part of the season for sure the patriots were the biggest surprise winner obviously of week one how much better or they may be than they got credit or was that just a flooky thing do you think they beat seattle at home this weekend um i don't and i'm actually looking at you know i was looking at that spread earlier um you know talking to some people that i you know obviously talk ball with quite a bit and that was one that i actually did feel was well to be short i know seattle didn't play outstanding in the first half but i think very much dominated both you know the office and defensive line in the second half of their match last weekend so i'm a little i'm a little i needed in the see-hop direction i do think the patriots performance although good it is still kind of underwhelming from an offensive standpoint i think when they kind of have to key in uh on a certain amount of players you know from the receiving skill position set i think they might struggle a little bit of course you know the bingles uh in their own right uh really struggling should have the offensive you know pieces in place i would say to take advantage of the patriots defensively that didn't happen in week one and i'm more um you know on the side of blaming the bingles and their preparation aspects and really kind of crowning the patriots as you know some sort of contender in the afc and i very much think we kind of see that play out here on sunday so i like seattle i still think we're doing the patriots for all intense purposes you know have you know one of the lower talented rosters overall in the NFL if not the worst and i think we're gonna see that kind of play out here on sunday at home then thank you as always but have a great weekend thanks guys have a great help thank you pal hit that local 53 sounder maga that's michael phillips's music the rich rinder please and thank you and on nine ten the fan down in the capital of the commonwealth give me a feel for this game against the giants michael i i don't know if desperation is the right word here because this is a young team and they're building and i think we'd all be kind of depressed if they lose for what it mean the rest of the way i think on the giant side desperation is absolutely the word here if daniel jones can't beat this secondary with guys you haven't even heard of starting potentially this weekend i think that probably marks the end of his time with the giants and it means the giants made a huge mistake not drafting a quarterback when they had the number six pick this year i think they've got a lot to lose potentially here this weekend what did you like most about what you saw from washington against the bucks you know i i really liked a lot of the offensive concepts i i did and i thought they they kept it simple you can tell there's going to be a lot more as the season goes on but they set up some good things i thought they gave jane daniel's good parameters to work inside and you know if they make those two field goals when they score in the third quarter they cut the score to 23 20 and i think if it's 23 20 they're not going to win obviously because sampler just hit in the button score whenever they wanted to but if it's 23 20 when we go to the fourth quarter i think we fundamentally talk about it as a different game and talk about this offense differently who has a big game this weekend for washington i'd love to see austin eckler have a big game on the ground i loved what i thought him as a receiver uh top three passcatcher sunday risk uh running back running back tight end i think you got to let the receivers do some work this time around i'd love to see the running backs run and and establish the ground i think they'll have an opportunity to do that you know especially if the passing game successful early i was impressed by what i saw boston eckler i think there's still still something there still tread on the tires so to speak and i'd love to see him have a breakout game and establishes is it true two-headed these two running back how'd you grade out jane daniel's his debut he was named the rookie of the week in the nfl for week one yeah i hope that was a conversation changer for people grant right because i think locally people were pretty critical of him and and what he didn't do i think it was a great reminder he's a rookie quarterback and the people whose job it is to watch all the rookies saw all the rookies and said that guy was the best of all of them right that doesn't mean jane hit the standard he wants to hit for himself but it's a good reminder it's hard to be a rookie in the nfl and it's really hard to be a rookie quarterback playing your first game and it's super hard to be a rookie quarterback playing your first game against the todball defense and they threw some stuff at him i think he'll have a little bit of a reprieve this week hopefully from that um i you know i want cliff kingsbury to install fewer um concepts where jane can run right i know a lot of it is going back and watching the tape hey this was an option he could have done either thing and he made the right decision by running i don't want that decision to be available to him i want to prioritize his development over potentially getting a first down in one situation in one game what's the loss of a manual Forbes mean well uh in the short term it means that we're going to have to learn how to pronounce and know it's the last name uh yeah i was practicing before my radio show big but not something like that we'll uh we'll get this right before sunday hopefully um i'm a professional radio guy danny again how um it it means that you know everybody's going to say oh you know oh manual four is as part of the problem things will get better now i tend to believe that nfl coaches go with who they believe is the best player at a given moment if a manual Forbes was out there that tells me that joe wit and dang quinn got together and said whoever's behind him is not going to give us as much of a chance to win as this guy will so it makes your work i know people want to say ah he's gone the problem's gone well the guy coming in has been rated by the coaches as not as good as the guy who was in there previously i don't think it means good things necessarily michael phillips of the fan enrichment and the richminder on grant and danny we're going to ask this question of our listeners next i want you to lead into the conversation with your own answer what is the conversation in town going to be if they win and what is the conversation in town going to be if they lose after week two yeah i think a win steady if the shift right it doesn't say playoff nobody's going to come on the radio tomorrow i mean somebody come on the radio marvin and nobody's saying to get come on the radio today playoff super bowl nfd title game right it if steady is the ship sets the floor and the floor will be you know probably five six wins after this right it shows you can win a football game you can develop and grow if they lose i think we're potentially going to need to have an honest discussion about whether this is a tank season or not because if you can't beat the new york giant and daniel jones who's i just can't overemphasize how terrible he's been at football recently if you can't win that game i think we need to look hard in the mirror and say is it time to trade anything that's tradable uh and reload for next year and grab a hydraulic and admit this is a two-year project i i'm not excited to have that conversation but i think it's where we'd be michael thank you as always buddy enjoy the weekend all right see you Sunday be good yes sir we will see you at northwest stadium and landover marylam still working on that what will you guys be saying if the commanders win and what will you be saying if they lose best way to answer that is to tap into the people next on the mgm national harbor listener lines you can call us at 800 6361067 line up your calls now let's get into that on the fan you you yeah i think a win steadies the ship right it doesn't say play off nobody's going to come on the radio tomorrow i mean somebody will come on the radio marvin and nobody's saying get come on the radio say playoff super bowl nfc title game right it it steadies the ship sets the floor and the floor will be you know probably five six wins after this right it shows you can win a football game you can develop and grow if they lose i think we're potentially going to need to have an honest discussion about whether this is a tank season or not because if you can't beat the new york giant and daniel jones who's i just can't overemphasize how terrible he's been at football recently if you can't win that game i think we need to look hard in the mirror and say is it time to trade anything that's tradable uh and reload for next year and grab a hydropic and admit this is a two-year project i i'm not excited to have that conversation but i think it's where we'd be in one hour right here on grant and danny at five thirty sixty minutes out dan or lavsky yes pn nfl analyst former long-time nfl quarterback joins the show want to talk to him about jaden daniels the other rookies in week one some of the struggles at the quarterback position and the passing being down in the nfl among the things will hit with him coming up in one hour at five thirty on gnd taking you up to six fifteen tonight you're locked into the fan before we get to what we were planning on talking about here which is what will you be saying if the commanders when will you be saying if they lose that michael phillips cut just opened up to me what is a whole nother combo that's percolating a little bit mm-hmm it's got me thinking grab that the back end of that answer for me daris he basically suggests that if they lose and i'm gonna editorialize in an ugly way if they lose a game where they look bad and the giants look decidedly better his point is we might need to have a conversation we don't want to have about how bad this team is how long this season is going to be and maybe how we need to view this season meaning should they potentially trade john alan and do the thing they did a year earlier with chase young and montes sweat where they go get draft picks should you kick the tires on some of these veterans on one-year deals as trade chips closer to the halloween deadline the nfl is becoming more and more a league where you see that type of planning they're not using the word rebuild they're saying recalibrate dan quinn's talking about finding north but the bottom line is if they lose to the giants in week two there's going to be a conversation you could have where you could say it ain't time to find north they don't know where north is they they got to stand up before they could start running north and maybe they're further away from that then we think the flip side of that though is obviously it's super early you're overreacting it's been two games in eight quarters in an era where nobody takes the preseason seriously and certainly this group didn't seem to care to use the preseason all that extensively alan and pain as an example didn't even play a snap a lick in the preseason jaton daniels only played in two of the games and barely played in those so i think there are plenty of avenues to drive down in either direction but again listen to phillips here uh this was just a few minutes ago on the show we're potentially going to need to have an honest discussion about whether this is a tank season or not because if you can't eat the new york giant and daniel jones who's i just can't overemphasize how terrible he's been at football recently if you can't win that game i think we need to look hard in the mirror and say is it time to trade anything that's tradable uh and reload for next year and grab a high draft pick and admit this is a two-year project i i'm not excited to have that conversation but i think it's where we pay so this is a very simple question is that an overreaction is it unreasonable to say if they lose to the giants and their own two we need to start having different discussions about this year not for me but it doesn't mean that they should trade all the players before week three that's i think well people sure sure well but i just want to offer that distinction i think when people hear that they're going to go no there's 15 games left you're talking about a rookie quarterback and this is a new everything the regime should be you know working for it we should be better in november than you are here in september the point is for the rest of us recalibrate your expectations what we're talking about on the outside looking in we need to go this is not a take teams by surprise and there are 10 11 win team like some uh you know crazy homers thought this is not a well the divisions down and the eagles swoon last year wasn't a mirage and Dallas takes a step back maybe they could surprise some people no no no no this is a bad roster that wasn't even constructed to compete so take the parts that aren't going to be here and sell them off and try to build something uh you know for later that is a reasonable conversation now the only caveat would be we can evolve but if the giants win on sunday and go on to actually be okay now i don't see that i think they're awful i think they're picking top five i think they're one of the two or three worst teams in the sport but if they win and then go on to play well we can recalibrate our our our feeling about how bad this week two loss is right but right now the giants coming in a lot of people thought myself included this is one of the worst teams in football in week one they played like it if in week two they beat you and then go back to being terrible you're going we stink we're the get right game for the stinkiest team outside of caroline in the NFL what are we doing what's the point of any of this what's the point of any conversation about can they go back and find a way to beat Cincinnati who gives a bleep if they do they're they're in the pig pen with with some of the worst teams in the NFL this should be about the future that conversation means very much on the table if you lose this weekend so maybe i'm not as in the same like dire bucket as you would be in that sense or it sounds like phillips would be ready to hop into i think the teams that played badly in week one are being way undervalued right now or just and they're going to be a couple that are terrible obviously and maybe this is one of them we don't know but just generally if you stink in we know that's fair the sky is falling all week the giants are not as bad as we think the commanders are not as bad as we think probably this is just generally how i view it the teams look really good in week one and surprise you in week one new england as an example maybe minnesota with darndall getting off to a fast start generally if you're stunned positively in week one all of a sudden you're talking yourself into some things that a week ago with a lot of data and information and off seasons worth of content you didn't think and generally if you wait a few weeks everything kind of comes toward the middle a bit the only way i would feel like after just two games that i need to completely change my eyeline on this season and now i feel like this team stinks and is going to be one of the worst in the league is if they have a clunker like if they play a really bad game against the giants and i don't know what that turns into from a score standpoint danny but let's say like 23 to 10 giants or similarly to the bucks game the fourth quarter is kind of a play out the clock quarter i don't see this as a possibility it's hard for me to envision this i'm betting against this but if that were to happen now i'll join you guys because i think to be able to start a year with too straight like that and now that's all of the data and it's not like it's nothing i know it's only two games but it's 11 percent of your season i'm worth we're talking about 11 percent of the football season where you will have stunk at that point but the fact is i had them best case one and one through two i thought there was a decent chance they could be oh and two and that you're gonna split with the giants anyway so now you win the one there you said if they beat the bangles who cares not who cares to me that that would be a really really good road win in prime time so i guess i'm i'm going to be more dismissive of a loss in week two being some tell-all if they play a pretty good game and lose but it's about the process not the result for me if they stink again and daniel jones looks like mayfield did and neighbors goes for a buck 47 or something and devin single terry will average three yards a carry last week runs for a buck 20 i'll come in here monday and i'll be ready to say let's buckle up this is this is four this is what four wins looks like so they're gonna be picking in the top five let me let me first it's slightly different like to get to the same place to me i don't think you could lose to the giants without looking like crap like i think you could lose to a good team and you go hey they ever competitive they played hard this was this was closed this could have gone either way if you'll go by sebert goes in or doesn't whatever right if you are losing to a team that we all think is terrible and that may and maybe you don't maybe don't think the giants are terrible but i think they're bad i don't think they're as bad as everybody's making it out to be after one game fair enough i so they i think they just played one of their let's say two worst games of the year remember last year is an example i'll point to they opened with the cowboys and they lost i think 40 to nothing and daniel jones got sacked like 11 times yes it was something ridiculous like that the next week they went out and had like a a 28 point performance against arizona or something remember that where it was just kind of like i didn't i don't specifically but i'm keeping up the switch i believe it i kind of view it more like that like they just had a game that is going to be when they look back and they go what were our three worst games this year one of them's the one they just played so the way i'm thinking of it is they're one of the few worst teams in football and if you i think that's a good conversation if you don't think they are they won that game in arizona then i think lost four or five straight and finished you know with them one of the worst records in the game uh and two of their six wins were against washington so if that's the case if that's what we're doing to me all other discussions are irrelevant that's what i don't mean since nadi beating them specifically matters or doesn't matter i'm saying if you can't beat the giants at home when you should have the element of surprise you should have they're not sure what you're going to do and you've kind of got a good feel for them over the last several seasons there's plenty of tape uh from jan daniel jones shoving it on you and you know what brian dable likes to do and this defense etc this is a game that if you can't beat them what's the point of any of this i think it's where a lot of fans are going to feel okay yeah i think they're a team that's basically what you are and i don't view it as this early it just too early for me to have that energy which i get so which i think is fair by the way because again there's so much we don't know and that's why i'm saying i offer the only window out the only outlet for that is if the giants go on to have a decent season and there there are seven and ten team instead of what i expect which is one of the bottom feeders then you go oh that's not terrible anymore yeah i don't think they're going to be seven and ten or have a decent season i guess for me the difference is i think washington with a brand new group and a new staff and a new quarterback will just keep getting better hopefully as the year goes on so like the team that plays the giants this week ideally is not as good as the team that plays them you know in several weeks so remember what last year for example the thursday night game now it was terrible at the time and it was it was brutal but when washington got their you know what's kicked by chicago that was a chicago team that couldn't get right they weren't very good well they actually went on to demonstrate they weren't bad at all so that loss looked a lot better in retrospect again it doesn't look good because of how dominated they were but it at one point you go oh my god so embarrassed you go to the lions well actually we now know the lions are pretty decent you know what i mean like that kind of a phenomenon could happen i leave the door open for that but i i think a lot of people are going to be really upset about their expectations and calibrations for this year so i guess my long it's a long way of saying i think lot a lot more conversations around the table like philip said then uh if they do lose that game i agree with that part i'm just saying i don't think i'll be part of the group that is ready after week two to kind of throw in the towel i don't mean like on the playoffs which i've never thought was really a part but i know it's there's a distinction yeah on the competitive portion of the season and i just point to last year in the opener the giants lost 40 to nothing jones was throwing interceptions pick sixes through for a hundred four yards like 50 percent everybody wanted them benched and then the next week he came out and threw for 320 and a couple touchdowns and they scored 30 on the cardinals like this league week one versus week two is so different and that's all i'm saying is i do think there's a possibility where both teams look a lot better in this matchup and like you don't see a path to they play well and lose i think they could look a lot better lose like a 24 to 20 game and i'm at least going all right the secondary wasn't terrible the wide receivers got involved jaden daniels look like a pro passer and his dynamic with his feet and yeah they ended up losing but and there's still something there that i think you can build on this early you know in a brand new program but i want to open up the phones for you guys with danny right now eight hundred six three six one oh six seven where do you weigh in on this conversation this idea from phillips that if it's ugly on sunday and i'd agree if if they just completely lay an egg that we could start having some very different conversations but he's basically saying regardless if they lose in their own two and they lost to the giants then this is going to be a pretty gross season do you buy that and what will you be thinking if they win versus if they lose g and d on the fan you you if they lose i think we're potentially going to need to have an honest discussion about whether this is a tank season or not because if you can't beat the new york giants and daniel jones who's i just can't overemphasize how terrible he's been at football recently if you can't win that game i think we need to look hard in the mirror and say is it time to trade anything that's tradable uh and reload for next year and grab a hydraulic and admit this is a two-year project i i'm not excited to have that conversation but i think it's where we'd be that's michael phillips of the richman or in our buddy at the fan in richmond eight hundred six three six one oh six seven you want to hop in on those thoughts here on grant and danny what are you going to be saying if they win what are you going to be saying if they lose is the question on g and d right now so danny if they win what are you going to be saying if they win there's a point to all this right there's a point to pretending and breaking down match ups and figuring out what they're going to do and how they're going to do it and point of attack each week etc but to me if they win this game and you see improvement because i think you're going to have to have improvement on both sides of the football that's this is the really profound statement of the year you have to be better than you were in week one to beat anybody on both sides of the ball you cannot be the worst defense in the sport like you were in week one uh and you have to have something come out of the offense besides jadon daniel's plain hero if you do those sorts of things and you play better than having a realistic regular football discussion about a football team is still on the table and still worthwhile whether they win or lose games going forward is fine but to me if the opposite happens we'll get to that in a second i don't want to talk about it but if they win this game even if it's ugly at times you still i think have to have played so much better just to just to be competitive even against a team that i think is terrible that i'll go okay we can still talk about it like it's a normal season so for me if they win they're right where they should be honestly and hopefully a lot of the noise tampers down a little bit one in one two games having played a team that made the playoffs and tampon the road last year and then the home game in the division you'd be one and oh in the division i want to know against your rivals one and oh and protecting your home field with you know the new name slapped on the side and i think that's probably about what they should be so i think that would be good i also think there has been too much in the grand scheme of things negativity this week because it is the first game of a new regime if you want to be annoyed that they suggested it's not a rebuild be my guess that's your prerogative if you want to be frustrated that they essentially made it seem like they're recalibrating and not rebuilding that's fine but you have a brand new everything it ain't coming together overnight Rome was not built in a day so any expectation that they were just going to hit the ground sprinting is probably not very fair and so i hope if they come out and they beat the Giants ideally then jadon Daniels will have played pretty well and he will have his first rookie of the week honor and his first win under his belt through two games and that's really more important than anything else honestly but then on top of that hopefully it means that some of the things that they did so terribly in the first week which was ultra disappointing and i'm not suggesting it isn't go back and find the audio from right after the game they were awful defensively they were terrible throwing the football and just overall they were one of the i don't know three worst teams in the NFL and yeah that's super disappointing because there was a lot of big talk and a lot of rhetoric and a lot of feeling like this was going to look different right away with how they were going to play and the types of players they brought in here so i understand being let down sure no problem but if they win i think we could just take a deep breath and everyone calm down and go but let's kind of reassess here for a second it'll either validate or contradict week number one sure right but don't you agree in general that like i mean you're talking about like same old team and oh you know i don't remember what the the phrase you just used was but like that all of this there's a point to all of this i mean it's one game ended in quinn it's not a little aggressive to be that frustrated with everything based on the expectation and based on the rhetoric no i don't think now because they've said it's going to take time they never pretended they've not used the p-word playoffs once i mean the only thing they have done is they refuse to say rebuild right well i mean you got josh harris art before the season saying we expect to be a lot better uh expect to be competitive he said they'd be better than last year four and 13 but he also said basically the results this year didn't matter to him at all he's playing the long game which i yeah but expecting was better this was supposed to be different okay but and if you lose to the giants it's not different things could be better sure but that's not what we're really talking about right i mean that's what i thought he was talking about you can get technical be like ah they might win five come on it's it's supposed to be it's supposed to be not lose to the giants in your home debut it's supposed to be that i agree but like so september 15th they've got to have it figured out not figured out not figured out nobody's nobody's calling them i mean a couple homers are but i pick them to win seven games you don't look like a seven win team if you lose to the giants in week two after getting shellacked in week one you know what i mean like the point is there's a happy meeting between super bowl this year like a couple of crazies thought and embarrassing through a couple of weeks my point is i can't have it be embarrassing i can't do that again so if they lose then what it's this that's what it is i can get you an under talented roster i can get you an overmatched defensive head coach with a bunch of cliches i know him i can have a bad roster perform badly run on the marty party you i get you got to do that it means there's not much different it that's that's what it'll mean at this stage today i will i'll agree with you as through two weeks it will feel very similar because in week one that was reverend football reverend era like find the game blindly that isn't the reverend game you can't do it i get that if your point is as simple as that's how it looked through two games i think that's fair to just say that that's what it is like moving forward or this is now what the season is or i don't know it feels like just aggressive to me uh and early that this is not no expectation should have been that this is a microwave outfitter operation totally and i don't think they've ever suggested that the only thing i would have done differently is i don't think and i don't know really what the strategy was here or why they did it this way but i don't think peters or queen when as hard as i would have to basically say this is not a good situation we're taking over and there's a reason i'm sure you don't want to like belittle or you don't run guys on the bus but but the maybe you could have just done it behind the scenes you could have done it grabbing some people in whispering it did not like i don't know honestly were they surprised by sunday i'll bet they were i think they were and here's caught off guard by how bad they looked or did they know going into the game we're probably not ready for tampa see i don't think they knew i because i think when you go get nothing but veterans in the in the off-season and you're one of the older teams in the nfl an average age which they are when you add in the the wagners of the world and you're trying to establish your culture and you go get vets i don't think they thought they'd be like this right if they're owned too and and not very good it's another kind of missed assessment to me but that's that's that's that's my own two sounds dan or lobster he joins the show at five thirty from espn that's about a half hour from right now on grant and danny next going into week two let's give you the biggest storyline for every single nfl game this weekend you're locked into the fan you you [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] We're Grant and Danny coming to you live all over DC on 106/7 The Fan and Richmond on AM910 and FM1051. 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We'll start you off in Baltimore right up 95 where the Las Vegas Raiders are 0-1 as are the Ravens. Somebody needs to get off the Schneider and you'd imagine it's going to be Baltimore after they lost a thriller at the hands of the Chiefs, Arrowhead Stadium. They've also had extra time to prepare for the Raiders who dropped the game to the Chargers in week one. Lamar Jackson's ready to play in front of the home crowd. Oh, it's just been in front of our crowd, in front of our environment. Knowing the fans get to experience us in that stadium. And I believe we got some new addition going on that stadium. So that'll be dope for the fans. But I'm looking forward to it, man. And I believe everyone want to see us, especially at home. Get right Ravens. This is a great opportunity. They're nine point favorites, eight points depending on your book. I don't think the Raiders are particularly good. I do know this. The Ravens are. And this is the time for them to kind of thrive. They lost a thriller on the road, as you mentioned, against Kansas City last week. Could have easily tied the game. Maybe have a chance to win it if Isaiah likely's shoe size was one size smaller, even a half size smaller. That was a fantastic showing. It's been so long. We kind of forgot about it. Ravens, great chance to get to one on one. Nine catches for 111 yards for likely in the breakout. And he would have had a two touchdown, 120 yard game. If not for, as you said, the toe being about an inch too far. Over the goal line at the end of the end zone. Let's go to game number two of the Sunday slate. Also in the one o'clock window, the Chargers who started one and O by beating the Raiders and the Carolina Panthers in Charlotte. For L.A. Jim Harbaugh's trying to get to two and O in the schedule. Looks like it lines up well for him to do that in his first season with the Chargers. Meanwhile, first year head coach Dave Kanales saw his team give up almost 50 points to the Saints by far the worst team in the league in the season opener. Very, very little expectation for the Panthers coming into the season got lower. I think the storyline here is going to be Bryce Young. He's got to start showing something as early as it is one game into his second season. It's getting late early for him. He was horrific in the opener. This is young as he gets ready for his first game in Charlotte this season. It's about for everyone and then obviously for me, looking in the mirror first. We all have that mindset of want to be better. You look at plays that wish could execute it better and got to learn from it. That was what Monday was about and then now we've turned the page. We've turned into, we're all in for the Chargers. It's lessons we addressed at the time and now we're all about how well can we prepare for Sunday. 13 for 30, 43 percent. It wasn't that good. 161 through the air with two interceptions this weekend. I'm a big fan of Bryce Young, the person. I fell in love with him as a quarterback in Alabama like a lot of people did. This is, this might go down as one of the all time misses dude. He's in a terrible situation. Carolina should be relegated, but God, he does not look the part of NFL quarterback. Chargers don't look now. They could be 2 and 0 under Harbaugh. Pretty entertaining game here for the New Orleans Saints and the Dallas Cowboys and Dallas. Both teams trying to get to 2 and 0. The Saints are the aforementioned club that dominated the Panthers. So the big question is, well, how much of that was New Orleans versus did they just take advantage of the worst team in the NFL? We know the second part is yes, but are they pretty good also? That's a possibility. I saw it's the first time in years that a team has won a week one game by 20 points only to then be dogs by as many points as they are against Dallas. Which is pretty revealing. Dallas's defense did not miss a beat without Dan Quinn and Joe Whit. They were exceptional against the Cleveland Browns. They shoved it last week on Deshawn Watson. Dak Prescott in the offense came out and looked really sharp early after he got his contract. And then they basically got to put their feet up for the last couple quarters of the game. So the numbers weren't all that impressive for Dallas. Here's Dak Prescott with a chance to get off to a 2 win start without a loss. Yes, I mean, as I just said, third downs understand they've got a multiple of personnel. They're going to give you a bunch of different looks with a bunch of different guys. For us, it's about communicating up front. Understand they're going to try to squeeze us from the line of scrimmage to the top of our routes. Whether it's man or zone that they understand that scheme, a lot of veterans there. So for us, it's about playing through that, playing through that, being physical with them, converting those third downs. And we'll be able to just get more shots at it. And when we could do that, the success just rose. Through one week, the narrative is kind of, I would say, that the demise of Dallas has been greatly exaggerated. People are reacting very strongly on how great they were in week number one. TBD for the rest of the year for me, but that's as good as showing as you can have. You can't play 17 weeks in one week, and they were really, really good in week one. Six of that point favorites at home. One development or revelation for them. Brandon Cook's four catches for 40 yards in a score. He pretty much was ineffective most of last year. Yep, that was as big a game as he's had as a cowboy, it feels like in a while season. So that could be something if maybe they get somebody other than CD lamb going, especially now the Jake Ferguson. They're tight and got hurt. Not sure of his status yet for this weekend. Let's go to Detroit where the Lions will be playing in their dome for the second time in as many weeks to open the year. Bucks one and O going to Detroit one and O. Buccaneers shredded Washington. We've talked about that game all week. Baker may field through for 290 yards and three touchdowns made it look easy. Their defense was also ultra impressive in the secondary shutting down the commanders. They got a different challenge now with a Monra Saint Brown. Jamison Williams had a big 50 yard home run for a touchdown last week. I'm really curious to see from a Detroit stand storyline standpoint is the Jamison Williams thing for real. He heard all season. This guy had a great hiatus. He had really worked his butt off. He's about to break out. Wait till you see how good he is. And then he looked like it in the first game, which is a really, really big deal. See if they can carry that over for Motor City Dan Campbell. It doesn't matter who you play. I mean, you got to find a way to win them. And I think what's unique is, you know, I think the Rams last week and I think the Bucks here are certainly. They have a good chance of winning those divisions. You know, they're certainly going to be competitive and be right there in the race. And so this is a chance to get an early one. You know, you get an early one and you just don't know what this is going to mean down the road. And if you can put some money in the bank early in the season, it'll pay big dividends for you down the road. I actually think it was a smart point because he started off almost doing a green eggs and ham type bit where he's going, we'll play him on a boat. We'll play him anywhere. We'll play him in the air. We'll play him on the ground. But then he moved to an NFC game. You don't know how critically important it's going to be when it comes to standing, home field, et cetera. This is a proven game for Tampa Bay. Week one, you got a one double A opponent. I know who I'm talking about by the way. Now you're stepping up with difficulty. Seven and a half point dogs on the road in Detroit. Detroit should win this game, right? But if you beat them, everyone's got to look at you a little bit differently through two weeks, especially for Baker Mayfield. When it comes to a Tampa sort of narrative is we're not getting a whole lot of respect here despite winning that division for two straight years and winning a playoff game. Is someone going to pay attention to us? You beat Detroit, people will. I think that's a great point. I mean, if you're the bucks and you beat Detroit and you're two and oh, you're a contender in the NFC for the moment. Everyone's got to kind of view you as one of the better teams in the conference in the early going, especially after last year making the playoffs and winning a playoff game. To your point, it's not like this is some, you know, bad team last year that's off to a decent start. I do think the Lions win. Speaking of resumes, they'd be two and oh having beaten a Rams team that might win the West or at least make the playoffs behind San Fran and then a Bucks team that has a great chance to win the South. Pretty good start. It's a really hard schedule, but it's in your building and that would be pretty proof positive of what people think the Lions can be this year handling their business. Let's stay in the conference, go to Lambo Field in Green Bay where the Packers are going to look to get off the Schneider. This is a loser leaves town game here. Two oh and one teams a loss sent you spiraling in the wrong direction. Bad news for the Packers is no Jordan love. They are going to start Malik Willis. The last time we saw Malik Willis start an NFL game. He started three times back in 2022 and the Titans would not let him throw the football and that's not a bit. He would throw it like five and seven and nine times or something. He had 60 passes in eight games and in three starts total. He completed forty five percent of them for three interceptions. Still doesn't have a touchdown in his first 70 attempts as a quarterback in the NFL. This is Matt Lefur the head coach of Green Bay was getting Malik Willis ready to start opposite. Electrifying talent Anthony Richardson in Indianapolis. That is Malik going to be the guy as you go forward here. Are you preparing him to be the starter? Yeah, if Jordan's not cleared then we'll start Malik and Sean will be the backup. Sorry about you. Pretty critical information. I know you have to ask the question but they have a depth chart. Malik came into the game last time. I guess they could have flopped him. He could have been there out of the bullpen guy and they go with Sean is Sean manion, right? The old like Penn State quarterback. I'm pretty sure no. I mean Sean Clifford the old Penn State quarterback. That's who their third stringer is, right? Sean Clifford who stunk at Penn State. I don't even know how he's in the league. But what a bad backup quarterback situation. Yeah, all of a sudden, right? It's pretty it's pretty dire straits. Green Bay needs to survive. They need to find a birdie here somewhere maybe an eagle or you win maybe an ugly game. Go Pittsburgh Steelers style for the Colts. I think they really need this one. You can't start owing to in that division with Houston off to that good start because your schedule is not tremendously easy kind of going forward in a bunch of games where it'll be probably a coin toss 50 50 kind of a situation. They need this one if they're going to compete in the division which I expect them to and you won't get a softer landing spot than not having Jordan love over there. Anthony Richardson sneaky didn't have a great game but because he made some unbelievable plays it felt like he did. I think he had nine total completions for the Colts in a loss in week one. But one of them was one of the most mind-blowing athletic feats I've seen on a football field. And this is this is the deal, right? You're going to get points and production but not in the way that a lot of other guys do it. You're going to have to deal with some like he threw a terrible interception early on in that game. And then he also like truck sticks somebody made two or three plays where nobody else in the league can make including that one where he's like it's like a fall away jumper from Michael Jordan except he threw it 70 some yards in the air. I mean you're going to you're going to get stuff but it's a different way than everyone else does it. But he's can't miss. Yeah if I get points in production that's fine. I think they ended up throwing for sub 200 yards. They did have 300 as a team they ran for over 100 he was obviously part of that. One of the most important games of the one o'clock window on Sunday is going to be the Browns and the Jaguars both 0 and 1. Cleveland looked really bad against Dallas. Jacksonville let a win slip through their fingertips against the Miami Dolphins. Both of these teams came into the year thinking their playoff teams. I would say this would be more of a damaging loss for the Jaguars because they're at home and because they should have beat Miami whereas the Browns can at least just kind of wash off a bad start and then get home next week. But the Jags and the Browns both can't afford to be 0 and 2 with their playoff aspirations. Head coach Doug Peterson on Travis ETN and getting his ground game going. One he's motivated to. He and I spoke even during the game Sunday and then afterwards you know and I just just reassured him that we're going to continue to give him the football and I think that's the next best thing is to get him right back on that horse as they say and keep feeding the ball. And I don't want him to be tentative you know cautious I still want him to attack be aggressive and just learn from. So Cleveland to your point GP if they lose the Jacksonville their next two games Giants Raiders commanders that's three games. You could have a chance to get off the shy there you can be three and two through five very easily. Kind of my thinking yeah for Jacksonville Buffalo Houston Colts. Uh oh they need this one. Yeah you just can't be going to especially at home and before the Sean Watson turns it around if he's going to. Let's go to Minnesota where the Vikings are looking to get to a surprise to and oh they got some good news today I guess. And that is that it does not look like Christian McCaffery he's out going to play. He's ruled out and now it sounds like San Francisco's considering putting Christian McCaffery on injured reserve as well. Which would mean he'd listen miss at least the first four games which by the way fantasy owners all over the place are slamming their steering wheels right now but we'll digress on that for a moment. The 49ers won by dominating the Jets they looked very good without McCaffery Jordan Mason was marvelous their backup running back ran for 140 yards on the ground in a win. For Minnesota one of the really impressive outings of week one and I know they played the Giants Danny but Sam Darnell lit it up. He was 14 for his first 14 passing game for Kevin O'Connell look deficient. They ran the ball really well with Aaron Jones and now they go back to one of the best venues and football at home to try to beat a San Fran team they beat in prime time one year ago. When you're at you know at quarterback I feel like a lot of times you can feel everything kind of collapsing on you not just in the game but you know theoretically like as a whole just if things aren't going your way you can feel the way to the world a little bit and you know at the end of the day it's it's your job to just put the ball in your playmaker's hands and let them go run and make a play. Sam Darnell game manager 208 two touchdowns in a pick he completed 79% of his passes in week one for Kevin O'Connell. That's the formula San Francisco so good that if they drop this game at Minnesota they'll be fine. You know what I mean like they're they're basically looking at their watch waiting for the playoffs they're that good. For Minnesota this would go an awfully long way to kind of validate their operation and you know some of the decisions they either foisted upon them or have to happen. They've been a really good spot with Houston and Green Bay looming over the next couple of weeks. If they could easily be one in three or they could find a way to maybe win two of those three games somehow as underdogs all of a sudden you're going to have to reevaluate Minnesota. That'd be really important for them. We'll work our way through the rest of the slate on week number two's Sunday schedule as we continue on Grant and Danny but let's get ready to talk to Dan Orlovsky a VSPN one of their lead NFL analyst the former quarterback joins us next to break down. Jayden Daniels debut that is about six minutes from now on Grant and Danny. Grant and Danny. You know what I'm going to do is just try to get a little bit of a break down. It's a football Friday on Grant and Danny on the fan taking you up to six fifteen. We'll make our confidence points picks at six o'clock. We've got a commander spotlight coming your way in about fifteen minutes. But right now on the bet QL guest hotline that's smarter to beat the books. I'm Dan Orlovsky one of the top football analysts in America and there are very few people I'd rather talk to about quarterback play than Dan who does such a great job on ESPN on television. Dan thank you very much for the time. You're back on the air in DC with us here on Grant and Danny. How are you? Great to be with you guys. I appreciate the con words. I'm doing fantastic. How are you guys? Right, Dan. Yeah. It's football time. It's fall. The weather's getting cooler. I wanted to start. I'm sure by now you've dove in pretty deep on the film from week one. What did you make of Jaden Daniels performance in his maiden voyage? Yeah, there were some really good things to come out. I would say the athleticism, the legs to go and making some plays with his legs. A really big deal. I thought that there were a couple times when Tampa came at him with some pressures that he did it panic. He had some hot, meaning, you know, pressure with an unblocked guy and he got the ball of his hands. I liked that. There was a couple moments that no one got open for him and he didn't force the ball. And I think his athleticism and the legs and his confidence in that really helped in those situations. A couple of nice check downs. Again, I'm not forcing the football down the field. We're good. So I do think that there's good positives of operation. I'm handling no huddle. I liked. I do think overall there were moments where I said he's not totally sure what he's seeing. He's not totally convicted or confident in what he's looking at. And he didn't let the ball go in some situations that I would have said. I would have preferred some aggression in that moment and some convicted throws in that moment. So I think, you know, for a week, one start against a really difficult defense. Just presentation and picture wise. There's there's positives and then there's a lot of potential learning and growth coming off of it. So Dan, how many of those moments I guess we can call them negative, right? We're learning experience, teachable moments. We're going to call it. How much of that to you is rookie first real NFL game with the bright lights on and things are moving, you know, like like time lapse super speed style. And that'll be better as we go and how much is a, you know, I'm not really sure about this. I'd love to know your distinction. Yeah, I think there's there's probably three categories. It's certainly, you know, looking at a defense going. I don't necessarily. I don't have the full picture or what I thought the picture was changed on me. So, you know, there's a lack of conviction when you're looking at. And I think there's the second thing of, you know, not a ton of clarity. Maybe of schematically what they're doing. You know, there's there's a ball down. He didn't end up throwing, he scrambled. It's in the third quarter and it's about 14, 15 on the clock. And they get into a two by two set and they go play action tight end wing. And they've got a slot receiver running down basically from the left hash all the way streaking across the front pylon and Tampa Bay plays a defender underneath that slot guy and then a safety way to the left side of the field over the top. He said during go. Okay. Well, what are they teaching? That's not receiving Washington says you have the chance to cross the field completely. Does he have to keep it more vertical the whole. So I think that's part of it. And then also, and this isn't me trying to take a knock and shot at anybody. It's not like they have the most dynamic weapons on the perimeter outside of Terry. You know, so there's there's a little bit of. Do you have a ton of confidence in that receiver going to outrun that defensive back for the ball? I think there's probably three categories that some of that hesitation can fall into. Dan Orlowski with us on GND. You can see why we wanted to get him on to talk about Jaden Daniels's debut. We'll go around the NFL with him in a moment. I don't think I've had the opportunity to ask you this day because last time we had you almost just before they hired Cliff Kingsbury. I mean, you obviously studied his offense quite a bit. When he was in Arizona running the show there, it'll be different. Now he's not a head coach. But what do you make of Kingsbury as a play caller and designer just generally? You know, it's only been a game, but we're still getting used to it. Some of the things that worried me happened in the first week. And I don't know if you can kind of maybe, I don't know, poor cold water on the idea that things change week to week. I didn't want to see McClure and in the same spot all the time he was at an over an 85% clip. I thought he'd use more motion. He still didn't do that. He's been bottom of the league three straight years in that. Is that sustainable? Can that still work in 2024? I do not believe so. And obviously, I think Cliff is a very smart football coach. I've had a ton of success offensively. In my belief in the NFL in 2024 and I've felt this way for about three or four years now. If you don't want to utilize motion in two different ways. One for information and two for impact. If you don't diversify how you displace defenders, meaning notions, play actions, forcing defenders to move laterally, then I think you're doing an offensive disservice and you're relying far too much on execution rather than identity. I feel that way about a lot of different offenses and some of those offensive coordinators are my friends guys that I know and have a ton of respect for. I just don't, I think in today's NFL with the philosophy of most defenses. Not all, but most defenses which is going to be. And it's been trending this way for two or three years. We're going to put a cap on the defense. We're going to build an umbrella. We're going to force you to be really efficient throwing the football. Not going to give up explosive plays down the field. We're going to make you drive the length of the field. I think that's really hard to do unless you're doing the sum of the stuff that I described offensively. I think it's really hard to run the football from shotgun and or pistol consistently. There might be a team or two that's capable of doing it. You better be phenomenal at making the picture look the same offensively. When it's married to a play action game, I don't believe Washington is. So I don't think he's going to change. No. And that's always been my hesitation when I knew Jayden was going to be a commander. Dana Lofsky with us here on GND. Dan, I feel the same, but you obviously have a billion times level of sophistication that I just simply can't get to. I just know that I see the good offenses do it, right? I mean, that's kind of where my simple little brain goes. Sure. So my question to you is just devil's advocate. What would some, what would a proponent of doing it this way say to you? Like what would the counter argument be to what you just said if you could make it? That's cliff style. Is that what you're asking? Yeah. Like in other words, what would he tell you if he was listening in? Yeah. I think there's there's a negative to doing it or a potential negative to doing it. Okay. So you have to have the skill guys that can handle all the verbiage of that motion movement, the formation and the changes that get attached to it. Number two, you have to have a quarterback that can manage and control all of it. And then number three, you have to have offensive linemen that can handle some of the rules that might change if you are using those motions. Okay. So you got to have everybody because as an offense, if I line my quarterback under center and I present a bunch to the right and I'm going to throw Dan on hold. Ryan, you see if you can just work out. I want to hear that really quick because this is too good to miss out on. Dan Orlovski of ESPN is with us here on Grant and Danny joining us on the fan. You can hear he's got strong takes on the Kingsbury offense. So Dan, I'll tag you back in here. That was too good. So I wanted to make sure we could hear you so you can keep going. Yeah. So everybody's got to have rules that they're able to adjust with on the fly. Like if I line up with a bunch to my right and just a single receiver, Terry McClellan, to my left and he's reduced foot to the tackle and I want to go play action fake to the left and then set Jayden Daniels up in the B-gap on the right. Well, I might line up in that bunch and then motion a receiver. And as I motion the receiver and he passes Jayden, I'm going to snap the football. Well, as I do that, the defense might adjust. And my offensive line might look at that picture and say, "Well, these are the six guys that were five guys that we have to block." And then all of a sudden that motion happens and one of those five guys changes and then all of a sudden a blitzer comes off the right edge and our offensive line doesn't adjust to that guy being very responsibility and it's a sack fumble. And so unless you have the guys that can handle that, that can teach that, that know the problems with all of that, it's silly certainly for you then to teach and install here often. So Aaron Rodgers doesn't like and use a ton of motion. So there's definitely a ton of advantages to it, but if you don't have the right people to teach it and then really to know what the problems of it are, you are setting yourself up for failure where in Cliff's offense, you can sit there and go, "Well, yeah, there's a simplicity to this and we've got the guys to do it and allows our team to play fast and we don't think as much necessarily as some of those other offense are." There is that potential positive attack for sure. Dan Orlowski with us on Grant and Danny here on the fan. You mentioned that it's harder right now to make some of those chunk passing plays. And the proof was there in Week 1. 24 quarterbacks through 20 more times with one touchdown or fewer. We have not seen that since the merger. 17 quarterbacks, 20 throws, sub 200 yards. Haven't seen it since the merger in a Week 1. 27 fewer passing touchdowns this past week than in Week 1 three years ago. Why is that? I mean, how would you make that make sense for me? Hopefully you guys got a lot of time baked into this segment. Like there's a lot of reasons. It's not a singular one. So I do think it's a little bit attached to guys not playing. It's on the preseason. Absolutely. I think defensively it goes back to some of that structural stuff that I was referencing before where these teams are going to play in two high safeties. And here's so everyone understands when a defense lines up in two high safeties consistently. It becomes that and there's only so many different ways that you can change the math. The best way is you have to run them out of it. You have to force them to bring another human being down closer to the ball. And not only do you have to commit to running the football, you have to be effective in running the football. And over the course of a drive and then over the course of a game. Two, when teams play two high safeties, there's really only four areas of the field that you want to try and attack that are somewhat downfield. Two of the places are down the sidelines, 20 yards, and that turkey hole, that honey hole area. And then two of the places are basically behind your linebackers on the hashes. Okay? The only way to throw the ball is behind the linebackers on the hashes is one of two ways. To high-low them, meaning put a receiver behind them and put a receiver in front of them. That takes time in the dropback game. Four, two, the play action pass them and to displace them either vertically or horizontally. Teams aren't doing as much play action and as effectively. And so therefore these defenders are just dropping back to 10 yards. The pass rush is forcing the quarterback to throw the ball at four or five yards. And with three or four defenders with vision on the quarterback, they sprint to the ball and it's a four-yard completion. For Washington's passing attack, Dan, what would your prescription be this week? Not just for this week against the Giants, but sort of going forward for the best practice maybe to develop Jaden Daniels to get them to a ceiling. Yeah, I mean, again, systematically, I'm a believer in a lot of the things that Cliff doesn't deploy. You know, I think this week, and this is probably a concern of mine, is I do think the Giants defensive line is much better than it showed in week one. I think the Vikings have a phenomenal offensive line. Washington is concerning. I do think that Jaden's athleticism can't help, but just pass game-wise, if I were Cliff, I would sit here and say, "What's the fudge that we're doing with Dexter Lawrence every play?" Because Dexter Lawrence can literally ruin the football game from a defensive tackle perspective. I think then second is their defensive coordinator's philosophy is they're just going to play top-down. They're going to try to show one coverage and disguise at the snap, and they're going to force Jaden to play with the cloudy thought process of what the coverage is. I do think quick, a ball out to the perimeter, a pass game, yards out to the catch, has to be a part of it. You have to play action to the weak side of the field and try to layer the defense. So, meaning guy vertical, guy intermediate, guy shallow into the boundary. That's the best way to attack this defense scheme-wise. And then moving forward, again, I think part of that is how does Cenot develop? How does McCaffrey develop as passcatchers to really be threats? I think, dramatically, I want to see some advancements in some of the stuff that they do. I don't know if Cliff is going to install that. Dan, super insightful. That's why we wanted to track you down and get you on early this season. Thank you for hopping aboard with us. It's been great watching you guys get ready for week two. Enjoy the games ahead on Sunday. Thank you, Dan. Thank you guys so much, you as well. You got it. Check him out on ESPN's NFL coverage, NFL Live. He's all over the dial over at the four-letter network. We can react to some of that because he was way more opinionated on Kingsbury's offense than I anticipated, frankly. Next, as well as give you a commander's spotlight. It's Grant and Danny on the fan. Thank you. [end of transcript] [end of transcript] [end of transcript] I think Cliff is a very smart football coach. I've had a ton of success offensively. In my belief in the NFL in 2024 and I've felt this way for about three or four years now. If you don't want to utilize motion in two different ways, one for information and two for impact, if you don't diversify how you displace defenders, meaning notions, play actions, forcing defenders to move laterally, then I think you're doing an offensive disservice. That was Dan Orlowski just a couple of minutes ago right here on Grant and Danny. We'll get to our commander's spotlight coming up in just a moment. We're taking you up to 6-15 tonight. We've got our predictions for the game on Sunday coming up and our confidence points picks as well. We'll also get you ready for Nat's baseball before we say goodbye. But I mentioned going to break Danny that I was a little surprised how candidly Orlowski came out to say he doesn't really like the Kingsbury offense. At one point he said, "Yeah, the things I hope they do and want them to do are not things that Cliff Kingsbury is going to do." That's telling. Whoa. But you just heard there a couple of his gripes and that answer came from me asking, "Hey, he doesn't use motion very much. He didn't in Arizona. He hasn't here." And it doesn't seem like he plans on moving Terry McClure and around a lot. Which we're all pretending like we're experts and saying that's not going to work. But maybe it will. Maybe he's got a plan. Maybe that could be a thing. And so I asked Orlowski, "Can that work?" And he said, "No." Which is a little bit troubling. This is that full answer from the excerpt you just heard though from our conversation with more context and detail. I do not believe so. And obviously I think Cliff's a very smart football coach. I've had a ton of success offensively. In my belief in the NFL in 2024 and I've felt this way for about three or four years now. If you don't want to utilize motion in two different ways, one for information and two for impact, if you don't diversify how you displace defenders, meaning notions, play actions, forcing defenders to move laterally, then I think you're doing an offensive disservice and you're relying far too much on execution rather than identity. I feel that way about a lot of different offenses and some of those offensive coordinators are my friends guys that I know and have a ton of respect for. I just don't, I think in today's NFL with the philosophy of most defenses. Not all, but most defenses which is going to be. And it's been trending this way for two or three years. We're going to put a cap on the defense. We're going to build an umbrella. We're going to force you to be really efficient throwing the football. We're not going to give up explosive plays down the field. We're going to make you drive the length of the field. I think that's really hard to do unless you're doing the sum of the stuff that I described offensively. I think it's really hard to run the football from shotgun and/or pistol consistently. There might be a team or two that's capable of doing it. You better be phenomenal at making the picture look the same offensively when it's married to a play action game. I don't believe Washington is fit. So, I don't think he's going to change now. And that's always been my hesitation when I knew Jayden was going to be a commander. I mean, at the end there, my hesitation when I knew Jayden would be a commander, that's pretty jarring. Yes it is. And listen, he's got a level, as I said in the interview, if you heard it, he's got a level sophistication I'll never have. Just having played the position, starting to get the way that he does. So, what I do is I try to read all the smart people and consume all the smart people who have said something similar. And that's led to me to my philosophy. If pressed under oath, I'd be thrown out of court because I am not an expert witness here. But guys like Warren Sharp who point out data trends. Daniel Rolovsky, who I think is really smart and sharp. But I mean they're right 100% of the time. But these smart folks who study these sorts of things go, here is the trend line and here's what they're doing. And it's divergent. And you either are a genius because you buck the trend and don't buy in or you're being left behind. And my fear and my belief is the latter, that they're being left behind. I think they're too defendable. I think it's with what they have, it should be tougher to deal with them than it is and is going to be. Well, they certainly were in week one. And again, while providing as much information, I think that's the job we try to do an informed show. Providing as much context for our opinions as we can. I also want to keep spinning that second plate for now of the open mindedness that I still have that it was one game. Because I never want to be overly reactionary. The problem is my fear going into the game was met. Yeah, my fear was, isn't this just what he's going to do? And then in the preseason, that's what he did when they had their starters on the field. And if you remember a couple of the nerds came out and yelled about it. And then a lot of the reporters that are out there every day yelled at the nerds and said, well, that's not what he's going to do. He just told us it's not what he's going to do. And in practice, that's not what he does. And so it kind of calms your nerves a little bit, but then the game happens and that's exactly what he did. And it did resemble when DeAndre Hopkins under achieved in Arizona and a lot of what happened with the Cardinals. But it's all the more reason why this weekend will be that much more interesting, that much more telling against the Giants. It's another reason to tune in and it is going to be really exciting to get another game under our belts to figure out what this thing's going to look like and what it is going to be. But much appreciate Dan Orlowski. That was fantastic. Good conversation with him for joining us on Grant and Danny. I know we already have a lot to do, but I kind of want to crowbar one more thing in. Did you hear the story about this minor league catcher that was telling the other team what pitches were coming in? I did. I sent it in the chat. It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life. 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