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Breaking: Emmanuel Forbes Needs Thumb Surgery
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Head to Toyota.com for more info or visit your local Toyota dealership today. Toyota, let's go places. Breaking news into the fan just a few minutes ago, a manual forbs to have surgery on the UCL in his thumb. Now, I'm not a doctor. When I think UCL, I think like Tommy John, that is normally not a thumb thing, but I guess there's one in the thumb too. He jacked it up. He needs an operation. I guess there's UCLs everywhere. I didn't know that. So I learned something today. Yeah. I mean, listen, this is one of those things where it was impossible for me to really and truly believe that this group was going to make this huge leap this year and start to compete. And here's this is kind of an example. I feel a little bit mean to pile on a manual forbs, but it's just kind of a way of example, because you're sort of stuck. This is the first round pick. You're not just going to cut him. You're not just going to move on from him. He's got three potentially four years left of somehow he gets to the part where you'd pick up his option. I don't think that was ever going to happen, but maybe it could, where it's cost prohibitive to move on. It's cost prohibitive to go find, you know, whoever, a free agent corner that you think would be an upgrade, right? So you go bargain shopping, you go with guys that, you know, the igmanogonies, the Mike Davis is the world you find guys that are available on the fairly cheap when you plug them in to try to implement your culture. But you're going to see if a first round pick from last year can play, you're going to do that. That's that's elementary. That's routine. But it also means it's prohibitive of this Renaissance transformation where they're going to jump up and start beating everybody each and every week. I just don't see the path there. So, but for him personally, that's just such a bummer. I mean, you know what I mean? Like as you said before with the break, everything's been piled on him. It's somehow it's his fault that he was drafted that high star. He needed it and get it. The opposite is happened. He had a bad game. Really, it was a play that that made him kind of the butt of jokes where he got two 15 yard penalties I've never seen before, the PI in the face mask. And now you add to that that you got hurt bench slash hurt, both different points during the game. And now he's not going to be available for the short term. And I'm not how long moving forward he'll be out. But speaking of feeling bad piling on, like, I don't, this does not make them worse. The lack of depth hurts. And clearly you probably now have to elevate a corner off of the scrap heap. I don't know who plays that, you know, would not have been available because of an activation or maybe you elevate a corner from your own practice squad or something. But playing if Michael Davis, let's say, is healthy and available and ready, getting him into the lineup or seeing Noah Igan anymore. Maybe this means that we actually get to see more Mikey Sandra still outside or Kwan Martin covering more. You just can't convince me that this is like a deal breaking setback for this defense the way that he has played. He was their lowest graded player this past week. So hopefully he gets healthy because the only way for him to continue to get better and to develop and frankly to become a rosterable, startable contributor is for him to just continue to improve. And that's not going to happen while you're rehabbing from this thumb injury, obviously. But I don't think this is a damaging loss from a personnel standpoint, the way he's been playing in any way. I think that's very well said. And again, there's, there's no way to separate it. I do feel bad for him personally, but we're talking about football and football production. And I don't think he's very capable right now producing an awful lot. So replacement level player would be more than welcome. Here's where I think people are wrong though. So I just got a tweet from someone named Todd and appreciate you listening in and hitting me up at Grand H. Paulson on Twitter and Instagram. Danny's at funny Danny. He said they should have cut him during training camp. No, they shouldn't have. Why wouldn't you do that? He was a first round pick last year who let's just say he was a fourth round pick last year. And at that point, you're on the roster bubble of who knows maybe he gets cut. I bet he doesn't because he actually won a starting job at training camp. Hey, they don't have good quarterbacks. It's not like there's three really good corners that don't get to play because they're busy playing Emmanuel Forbes. They don't have depth of proven legitimate players at that position. Their other starter is a third round pick that they had here who I like a little bit, but it was also really struggled and not really had a whole lot to show for his couple of seasons on the grass after being drafted by the previous regime either. So that's number one. Number two, he did in college use differently, obviously, show that he had an elite trait. And that was his ball hawking skills. That was his playmaking ability. He broke the record for pick sixes when you get the ball in his hands, which hasn't happened yet, obviously, and he's in space. He has a knack for making plays after the reception, so to speak. So it's not like there's nothing redeemable about this guy. He has ball skills and he has the ability to do something after he picks off a pass. Now, we haven't gotten to that point yet, but this idea that he should have been cut is just silly to me. Whether he should be starting or not, definite conversation, whether you would bet on him ever becoming a first round caliber player, of course, sure. But I feel the same way about him as I did, Jim and Davis a couple years ago. It shouldn't have cut Jim and Davis who's fast and physical and find a way to use this person. That's what coaching is. Find a way to take this SEC athlete who was exceptional at an SEC program and did something no one had ever done before in college football and find a way to make him rosterable. That's the job. And oh, by the way, I've been told what geniuses we have in terms of coaching up the secondary and making DB coaches, DBs better with their coaching, and how the last group was so terrible at it. So figure out a way to make this guy not terrible. That's the gig. So I take a different tact to get to the same conclusion. To me, it's about salary cap. There's nothing to be gained by moving on from, I'll start with Jim and Davis. You would have, you would have owed him $4.5 million just for the vector's name is Damon Davis. Cut him. Don't cut him, whatever. If you want to keep him, you don't think he can play line back before you have month special teams. You find something from the deal. He can be the backup holder. He can be the guy that holds the clipboard. He can be the guy that claps the loudest when good things happen. But there's no reason to cut him. $4.5 million, whether he plays or doesn't. That's number one. And then you go to Forbes. You've got three years left. You would have owed him $12.6 million of dead cap money. For what? To prove some point? No, there's no reason to do that. You you take your time. You see for sure, I've already got my mind made up, by the way. I don't think he can play at this level. I don't think he can be effective. Maybe I'll be wrong on a second or third stop. But there's no there's no upside in that just the realistic way the rosters are constructed. It would be a pointless, futile act of a temper tantrum just to kick a guy because he didn't play well. He's got some athletic traits, some skill set. Maybe the next regime could find it or the next place can find it. I don't know that anybody here is going to, but you would you owe so much money. It's worth trying to figure that out. The outside corner rotation with him injured and we'll find out probably based on whether he's Iard or not the length of the recovery, but St. Juice, who maybe travels. I don't know. Maybe you have him run around with Malik neighbors, who seems like a guy you should probably be starting on your fantasy story about him. You know, a binogany who played a little bit outside on the boundary for Forbes this past week. And then Michael Davis, who somehow didn't play, who was one of their additions who played a lot of training camp on the outside. But those are the guys initially, the good news is outside of neighbors, there's just nobody on the Giants who worries. Yeah, one Dale Robbins, he got 12 targets and I think about eight yards in week number one. He really has 12 targets, by the way. Yeah, good God. I wonder how many of those were like he was the guy when they threw it at a bounce, but still that's impossible. I'm not even doing it. But yeah, that's gross. And that team from a weaponry standpoint has been bad for a long time. And outside of neighbors with Barkley now and Philly still is. So thank God you're not playing a team that like the Vikings or the dolphins or something this week where, you know, you've got Hill and Waddle and just wide receivers out the wazoo. This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Whether you love true crime or comedy, celebrity interviews or news, you call the shots on what's in your podcast queue. And guess what? 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