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We are keeping you company and taking you all the way up to 6.30 today on the fan on Mondays after commanders game all season long, Jay Gruden is going to join us. Jay will be on the show throughout the season at five o'clock. He's actually going to be with us today at six though for this one time only because Tony Gonzalez, the pro football Hall of Famer who you see on Amazon Prime's telecasts on Thursday nights, is going to join us at five o'clock to go around the NFL and to break down the commanders, Jay Gruden at six. The local 53 is 0-1. They were trounced in what was a very disappointing debut for the Dan Quinn regime and Danny while I found the game to be dispiriting and I was trying to think of the perfect word. What was yesterday, dejecting, maybe dispiriting, I mean any of those, I think people were excited to see if even though the expectation is this team's not going to be that good, maybe I'll be surprised. Maybe this coaching staff will wave a wand over some holdovers and make them better automatically. They got a lot of work to do. Dan Quinn said all off season they've got to find North. They need to get a compass. They got to get started. It's going to take some work. Everyone should be freaking out. I'm going to say that again. Everyone should be freaking out. Not because, oh no, they lost the game and may not be that good this year. Jayden Daniels will not get through the season doing this crap and I don't blame the kid. I mean, he's just trying to make some plays. You cannot have this wrong, stop it immediately. Get this. Now we're joking about helmets coming off. It's never been a problem for me. No sliding anywhere. 16 carries more than half of their offense deep into the third quarter was his scrambling. Wrong. Under-talented an offense. Not a particularly good plan from Kingsbury and company. Oh my God. Forget about a whole season. We'll be lucky to get half a season if that trend line continues with the amount of shots that he's taken in the secondary and running for his life, et cetera. There's got to be a better design and needs to start right now. I was a little bit surprised, honestly, that that was not more of the story after the game. Both last night and so far today from what I've heard, to be honest, just how unsustainable 16 carries is. Heck Lamar Jackson ran the ball 16 times in week one for the Ravens. Now he isn't able to practice today for the record. He's not on the practice field as he took some shots as well, but that was the national narrative after that game was Lamar's not going to be able to live that way and you can't have him run 16 times and get through a season. I remember in 2012 with Robert Griffin and his debut year, Danny, when I was on the beat and in September, the entire discussion, when I would come on with you and Danny, and at the time it was LeVar and Dukes, they kept saying like, really, is this what Kyle and Mike Shanahan are going to do is have him run it 10 11 12 times just for context for the record. Daniel's ran it 16 times yesterday. Robert Griffin never ran it more than 13. Yeah. You remember how everyone thought it was so crazy and amazing and reckless and what are they doing? And what are they thinking? He never got within three rushing attempts of what Jaden Daniels did yesterday. In fact, if you know, it's not going to be this way, he's not going to run it 16 times every game. It's one game. I understand that, but there's such a thing as contextualizing just to make the point. And that's what I'll do here. The record for rushing attempts in a season by a quarterback is Lamar Jackson with 176 Jaden Daniels after one game's on pace for 272 that's more than running backs had last year in the enemy system. And I know that's, you know, kind of a dubious honor, but I mean, to me, this, what it looks like is 2012 without the innovation. This is 2012 without the stuff that nobody has seen before. By the way, there's no hidden card trick from the preseason. There's no wait till you see it. We saw it. There's no mystery. There's no like you guys, he's got all sorts of crazy stuff that's going to come out. Nope. There's no motion. There's no, there's no intriguing design. There's nothing dynamic. This is, you know, sideways passes, you know, and running for your life. It's basically what Colin Marie was doing a couple of years ago, which is go make a play, dude. Let's see what happens. Unsustainable. So I am okay with sideways passes just to pick up there for a second for the record. I've jokingly called Cliff Kingsbury's offense, the horizontal raid. And I think that's what it's going to be. As a passing offense yesterday, they, the lowest completed average depth of target in the national football league and it wasn't particularly close. They had six completions of a total of 17 that were behind the line of scrimmage. I think 10 of them were then four yards or less from the line of scrimmage of their 17 completions yesterday. So that tells you a lot. I think throwing to running backs can be smart, checking the ball down, getting into space. Some of their explosive plays came from throwing it to Echler, throwing it to Robinson. Yeah. I'd love to do that, by the way. Or to have more than, I don't know, one target before garbage time. Again, their, their best offensive play was a, as a third down give up where Echler just made plays. Then they just said, no, that's enough of that Austin. Go sit down on the sideline. We got to go a two yard trap to a, to Brian Robinson, where he takes on a million, a million hits. Oh man. It was a frustrating day on both sides of the ball, really all phases, because we could add special teams into the equation where their kicker went 0 for two and kicked the ball out of bounds on a kickoff and had a bat on site kick. But other than that, I thought Kate York was a great debut. You take the two field goals and the on side kick that went poorly and the kickoff that went out of the bounds. And you dismiss those. Kate York might be in the running for special teams player. I bet you got to eat from the post games, Fred. You probably had a nice afternoon. I, I'm not as upset as you are. I can tell already, which isn't to say that I'm not disappointed because I totally am. I thought it was a pretty dreadful debut defensively. I've got really high hopes when you go higher, the defensive minded coach and he and Joe Whit come in here that they're going to make a lot of these guys that were held over better. And they picked a lot of these players new. I mean, there are 30 new players here. So as much as people are going to want to make this a big Ron Rivera bash fest all season long and plenty of that is deserving and will happen. Don't don't get it twisted. A lot of these guys are hand picked. I mean, there's 70% of the roster is new. They had an off season with a lot of money, right? And a full draft. And so they're going to have to get production from their guys as we go on. But just, I guess as an aside, what I would say off the top today, you've already come from the top rope. I'm going to take my turn dropping some elbows at times is twofold. Number one, weak ones can be very misleading. The amount of times in this league where you see something in week one and you think you know something and then there's no bigger change in the NFL, in my opinion, from the first week to the second week often. So it's very, very possible. They come out. They whip the Giants and we feel very differently or they just looked a lot different. It's a week to week league. So I'm leaving that open as a possibility. That's first. Nothing is necessarily gospel yet. And I'm not a small sample reactor generally. The second thing I want to say is we're going to break this game down as a single entity. What people like to do sometimes is extrapolate that out into what you guys are saying is you don't believe in this player. You don't believe in this coach. You don't believe. I'm talking about a football game, 60 minutes of football was played. It's all we got so far and we're going to analyze it from as many perspectives as possible. So if I say this guy had a bad game, it doesn't mean he's a bad player. If I say this guy didn't do this well, it doesn't mean he never will, but I think those are two important caveats out of the shoot just to make sure to start the season. Everyone gets off on decent footing here. Let's start at the top and work our way down. Okay. Okay. Dan Quinn. My fear when he was hired is that he's Ron Rivera with the backwards hat yesterday from a coaching standpoint didn't feel that different than that. He kicked the field goal on a fourth and three from the 29 with a kicker that nobody trusts. They missed from 47. You should almost never be kicking from in that situation when you've got the best athlete and playmaker on the field with his feet running around like Daniels was because you could see what they thought when, hey, we need it. We need something shortish yardage. We got a, we got a cheat code and they do, they can run that read option and they're going to get it most of the time to have this quarter touchdown fourth and three from the 29. You kick a field goal. They were down six. Nothing. They missed next time they got the ball. They were down 13 points on the road, the extra point over the two point conversion. I didn't have as big a problem with 155 to go in the third quarter, but just the math didn't math. It didn't really make sense. If you don't get it, it's a 10 point game, still very much in play. If you do get it, it's a one possession game. You're right there and they decided to kick the extra point there and keep it a two possession game. Not sure how you could have watched what was happening and felt like that was the best idea. So I'm even more extreme on that one. I'm, I'm never as bothered as some of the analytics folks on this. It's one of my weird, I don't say anti analytics takes, but I think too much happens in, in the league where I'm going. Third quarter to right. I'm going, if I've, if I've, the only time I would go for two mathematically is when I had to, like in other words, I mathematically, I will not get enough possessions to come back and tie this game. In general, I default to taking the points. That one I don't hate as much, but totally understand the argument against my view. Don't understand why they didn't call a timeout at the end of the first half. This one I can't get on board with. Yeah. Save some time. Please go get points. Sometimes the best way to get your passing game in rhythm and get your quarterback going is that end of half hurry up where they give you the middle of the field because they're protecting the sidelines. You can make some easy throws and for chunks, even if you don't get anything out of it, it's worth doing. Exactly. Right. Just do at least get completions out of it, even if you can't get down with spikes and kick a field goal and they just decided to not call timeout and then take a knee and go to the half. Didn't really get that. One other coaching issue, they call the timeout at the very start out of halftime of the next drive when they were trailing in a game on the road, the misuse of clock management to the point where you're burning those timeouts irrelevant yesterday. I would say Danny, but just big picture, not a great sign. And maybe it's as simple as if you talked to Dan Quinn, hey, I got a rookie quarterback. We were trying to sort some things out. He couldn't quite get it set at the, you know, the time that was needed, but those types of things you don't see when you watch the real good teams like last night Detroit and the Rams, that kind of crap's not happening. Yeah. That's, that to me is so unacceptable. If it's a, if it's a fourth in one, I guess I can get behind that it's still like my ducks in a row. It's a third in 10 where it wasn't some genius play call out of the, out of the timeout. It was a, this one's busted. He ran out of the sideline and they got lucky. They got bailed out by defensive holding. They'd go on to score on that drive. So people are going to say, well, I didn't end up working out. It didn't. They were beyond fortunate. That is a waste of a timeout in a game that at that point, by the way, was still pretty close. It was, you know, I think it was a nine point game at, at that juncture, but I, I could be wrong. But the point is it was still not out of reach. You cannot squat those second half timeouts, especially are so unbelievably precious. Right? Like, and it wasn't like the play clock was running down either. It was like, yeah, this isn't going to work, whatever. You can't have that. This is the NFL. Another thing on Dan Quinn before we move on, I haven't heard anybody talk about this yet necessarily, but all I've thought about as it pertains to coaching decisions from this game really is at the very end of the game, they were down 37 to 14. So that is quick math. You're 23 points. There's two minutes left. They're doing that two minute drill. Number one, I was a little surprised. Jaden Daniels was even still in the game, but okay. No problem. Let's go on. Like I said earlier, what you should have done at the end of the half, a two minute drive. Let's get some confidence. He went five of five 55 yards against the, you know, shot off the fence, like whatever. He falls into the end zone for that one yard touchdown, but he took multiple shots on goal line runs like between the tackles down at the goal line down by almost 20 points. Why? Why is that happening? Oh, sorry, more than 20 points, almost 25 points. Why was he like slamming the football into the line of scrimmage for his 15th and 16th carries of the day, taking shots against the goal line defensive front, trying to make a stop in front of the end zone. That's Brian Robinson territory, Austin Echler territory. I hated that they were even allowing that to be a possibility at that point of the game. Yeah. If you're in a close game next week against the giants and need one to win the game in the fourth quarter, dial it up. Different story. I'm with you. Yeah. You were down 37 to 14 with a minute and a half to play. And he is lowering his shoulder, trying to push the pile, getting slammed by 300 pound defensive tackles in week one of an 18 week marathon. Yeah. And again, it's 206 pounds. Yeah. And again, it's over. That was, that was peculiar to me. Again, it's one of those where we're, I remember Ron Rivera, one of those times, and it's hard to not compare that to, I apologize, but there was a, they were getting the doors blown off by somebody. It made was the Baltimore game during his first year, whatever it was. And they kicked a field goal to avoid the shut out. Like, I just don't do that kind of crap. Like you wanted the scoreboard to look a little bit better or like try to pretend for some positive reinforcement for the kid or make a stat line look, you know, more interesting with, with a second touchdown. It's just not for me. All right. And Daniel's from a coordinating standpoint, we, we talked about the defense being just utterly outplayed. Baker Mayfield looked like Baker Manning. I think 13 completions on 14 attempts to wide receivers, Godwin and Mike Evans, manual Forbes got benched and hurt or both or, or I don't know which order it was, but he had two 15 yard penalties on one play, which I've never seen where he interfered by grabbing a face mask to save a touchdown when he was beat Benjamin St. Tuesday actually had really good coverage on one touchdown he gave up and gave up two touchdowns to Evan almost had a pick on a really nice play. He did. He made a nice play there. But just overall, I thought in the secondary communication issues as if we hadn't heard that before. Like if I, if I hear community, oh, just communication again, I'll, I'll just start driving and won't stop till I get to the sun. Like it doesn't matter who the coach is, doesn't matter who the position coaches has, it doesn't matter who the defensive coordinator is, it was the same with Josh Norman. It was the same before him when guys are wide open or just jogging in the secondary for huge gains, touchdowns, et cetera. Oh, it's just communication. We'll communicate then, then just communicate to each other if it's that simple. I bet you it's not though. I bet you have terrible personnel and no scheme is going to cover. You could say whatever you want to. You can't keep up with good receivers and manual Forbes stinks. So talk all you want to each other. You can let each other know whose fault that one was when the big game happens where third and 10 is like first and one. It's too easy against his defense. I think that's what the communicating is, by the way is, hey, who screwed that one up? You did, right? No. That was me. That was me, dude. The community. It's just communication. Oh, respectfully kiss all of my butt with that same song and dance there. And then on the offensive side of the ball for talking coordinators, you mentioned this, you know, this idea that maybe they were keeping a secret. That was what I was holding out for. Yeah. Was preseason. You see one thing and then week one is going to be something else because that's the last time they had the number two pick Heisman Trophy winner, dual threat, new toy. They kind of designed this whole thing around him. That was certainly not the case. Kingsbury's plan or the offense, whether it was his plan or not, basically in the first half was a Jaden go make a play. I don't know if Kingsbury liked that or didn't. They didn't design any runs for him in the first half yet he broke the record for rushing yards by a quarterback in the first half for a Washington QB just all on pure scrambles. But that was their entire offense, essentially, and we'll get into Jaden Daniel's performance in more detail coming up in just a few minutes here. But from a cliff Kingsbury standpoint, the stuff that I hated about his offense in Arizona for at least one week packed in his luggage and came to Washington and he brought it with him to the nation's capital. Very little motion. You look at what the Rams and so many other really good teams do. Cooper Cup last night caught 12 balls on motion, 42 snaps, 12 catches on motion, 30 of 42 snaps for him. He was put in motion. Terry McCorma's in motion once or twice, who's lined up in the same spot in the formation, essentially every single play, which just sound the alarm and tell the defense where the only good receiver is going to be pleased. Yeah, there he's going to stop never really stacked him up, never really got him free releases. All the stuff I worried about, again, it's one game and we'll see if it changes. But for a year sample in Arizona said, this is how he's going to do it and he did it that way in the first game. Yeah. And now listen, there's there's there's no like, I don't think there's any sort of like white knight coming in later either. I don't think there's any kind of rescue plan. No, Brown. I mean, well, I suppose I guess he's an actor and maybe it was going to be Byron Pringle, but they cut up so we'll never know. But you know, it's a couple of gimmicks here and there. I think I think it was Aaron shots who said Zach hurts is a catch and fall guy. Where did you see Zach hurts to three times, caught it and fell, not a lot of separation, stuff and traffic. It's useful. He can help, but not that much. There's no way to make teams pay. There's no yards after the catch that that to me is the hallmark if my offense is good, not every play because it can't always happen. But guys catch it and they're able to run and you and that's how deep that's like how you get some of your big plays. If you're not going to be able to block it up, have a double move, go and connect 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 yards down the field, you need some of that dynamic stuff. And there's nothing there. That to me is an OC epidemic or a kind of a symptom when there's not much that puts the defense in jeopardy yesterday, didn't go the way anybody was open. There was this glimmer. Clary made a point in our pre show meeting today is a guy, this little voice in my head telling me maybe they were going to be really good. I think we all have that voice. And as you get older and you're around this team longer, that voice dies out more and more and more. But if you're a young person, maybe that voice was pretty loud going into the game. I used to have a voice. I'm 37 to 14 with a minute 15 to play yesterday before the touchdown late. Let's get into Jaden Daniels next again. It's not all bad. We've got some things that we're encouraging as well in this first game. It is the beginning of a rebuild. They don't want to call it that. They're calling it a rebrand, you know, retooling, finding North recalibrate is the word they use. Well, the calibration was not correct quite yesterday. That's for sure. I'm going to call it a rebuild. They can call it whatever they'd like. This is officially a rebuild. After yesterday's performance, you're listening to Grant and Danny on the fan. The seasons may be changing, but the deals at the sharpest rides are unbeatable as ever. Hey, what's going on? It's your girl, Tasha McKeea. And I need you to join the sharpest rides for their fall into savings event, where they're offering incredible prices on their massive inventory. That's right. Everything is on sale now, shot from sleek sedans, to rugged SUVs and sporty convertibles. The sharpest rides has the perfect ride to match your fall adventures, plus with their exclusive financing options, getting behind the wheel of your dream car has never been easier. 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So when you get a hunch in the middle of the game, you can check out the latest stats, view live play-by-play, and so much more on the same page where you place your bets. You'll get started with $200 in bonus bets guaranteed when you place your first five dollar bet. That's Fandal.com/sportsfan. Never waste a hunch and make every moment more with Fandal, an official sports book partner of the NFL. Man, a lot of lessons to take away tonight, and I wanted this one badly for the players, and that's why it stings, certainly a story tonight of missed opportunities, and I think third down, if I had to look back on it right now, that was the biggest and certainly the story of the game. So a lot to work on, and Tampa was a better team today. You need the struggle to see the identity develop. You don't want it, but you do need it, and that part is hard and that struggle happened tonight, and so we'll take these lessons and we'll work on them. Dan Quinn post game after a 37 to 20 loss in his commander's debut. Welcome back. Grant and Danny on the fan. He mentioned the third down woes defensively, Washington allowed nine of 13 conversions to Tampa Bay on third down, including a third and 17 offensively. They were just two of eight moving the football for a first down on third down, and those two were Jaden Daniels scrambling and picking up enough to move the chains. But when you can't throw the ball, you're not going to have a lot of success generally on third down, and they couldn't for the vast majority of yesterday. So why don't we with that in mind get to Jaden Daniels? You go first. There's some exciting things, right? They don't make guys that are that athletic very often who are that big and tall. The Kyler Murray can run around that way, and he's five seven, you know, Lamar Jackson, and he's a couple inches shorter and slider even, not slider, but you know, not as big and tall as Daniel doesn't have that rock and arm that Daniels has. So you still see some of the sign, some of the same things, but man, was that hard to come out with a great taste in your mouth after that week number one? Again, he's making something out of nothing a few times. I don't know how many nothings there were that he turned into something's in other words. I don't know if someone's running free and he just missed him. I think we'll find out is more and more data comes out. I've got some early thoughts on that, but I don't know. It's kind of too early to be definitive, but pretty discouraging, honestly, week one performance in terms of this offense, his fit, what they're going to get out of him and him throwing the ball. So I think people are mostly a lot more positive than that, and I would say generally wouldn't have come away having watched that game being discouraged necessarily. I think the average fan, at least the people I've been talking to liked what they saw in that you've got the best athlete on the field in this Lamar Jackson, Esq way. I know people don't like this comp at all. I'm not telling you this is what Jaden Daniels is going to become. So please save your defensiveness and your anger. But in the way that Justin Fields is an elite rusher as a quarterback and is a game changer when he pulls the ball down and takes off. And so you have to defend Chicago and now Pittsburgh 11 on 11 and he's the ultimate pain in the butt. That's what yesterday was. They were not a fun team to have to defend because Jaden Daniels can run. And in fact, if you take away a couple of the times where he just needed a yard or two, they went naked on a designed run on a fourth and one, which I loved, by the way, that was a great, great call. It was greatly executed by JD to get to the sideline, but you take that one away. The read option one yard touchdown. The other one yard touchdown run, you know, the one where he didn't get in. So like four of those, basically it was 12 for 88 yards. I mean, he was explosive. He made some big time plays with his feet. He ran for two touchdowns. He became the second quarterback in the history of the league to rush for two touchdowns in his first game. But he was the entire offense and frankly, his feet were the entire offense. I mentioned it earlier. Just kind of felt like a cliff. What are we doing here? Uh, Jaden, go make a play like if you looked at his little I hop menu, he's calling plays with instead of all the, the pages and the lines and the things you normally see for Andy Reid. It just said like Jaden's feet and that was kind of their entire offense. Now, was that Cliff Kingsbury's problem? Was that Daniels isn't letting things, you know, develop, we'll find out over time, but the rushing ability gives him a high floor. And this was kind of my point all off season. It's not going to be a disaster for him. It's never going to look terrible because the worst case scenario is he is a game where you don't throw the ball at all effectively. You don't involve wide receivers and he runs all over the place, AKA yesterday. And most people aren't coming out of that game, watching it. Even though you're 30th in the league and completed ariards and 29th in ariards to sticks and 29th in expected completion percentage, nobody's really going, well, that was bad because it doesn't look bad because you're making plays with your feet. So he's better than Caleb Williams yesterday. He's better than bonyx. He was the best of the rookie quarterbacks because the great buoy is those legs. They're going to allow him to make a ton of plays. So just looking at a couple numbers, you mentioned some and trying to take a deep dive into things because, you know, it's always, you're trying to quantify what we just saw because if you're, you know, you take your bias out of it, you know, it wasn't particularly good. They weren't effective on offense. Full stop. That was it. Again, the stuff that they were able to accumulate on a driver to here and there was nice. And then the garbage time touched and that didn't really matter. But no Washington receiver, that's anybody that's running back tight end, wide out was in the top 60 this weekend and expected yards after the catch. What does that mean? A guy's open. He's got the ball and he's got room to run. Think of the catch and runs of Jameson Williams and Dallas Scott or Jayden Reed and Jalen Waddle, Tyree Kill, offenses that are getting guys open. They catch the ball and they got running room. That's they were no Washington receiver in the top 60 of all the guys that got past yesterday. They had nobody in the top 60 in separation scores, meaning guys aren't open. So either we got to have a referendum, the term of corn stinks, and isn't really any good, or you wonder if something else maybe is amiss. I mean, that was a big complaint last year with Eric B. Enemy, right, where you had really smart offensive minds going. I'm not sure what the concept is here. I'm not sure what we're going for here. I'm not sure what the reasoning is or why you call that route combination or this doesn't fit with that. There's some of that going on here as well. But again, Daniels needs to have some, some culpability and it's a rookie and his first start. You already mentioned it's game one. Yeah. A lot of bad passing around the league yesterday. He's either a lot of good quarterbacks or Celts on the wall. We're awful yesterday or over the course of this weekend. So in that regard, I'm not putting, you know, make any referendum just yet, but it just data points out. And this is part of why right at the start of the show today, I said, we're going to talk about this game. If you want to make this into some big referendum or endorsement every time we talk about someone on a season long basis or for their career, you're doing it wrong, right? We're talking about a game. That's what they've played so far. But in this one game, it was him scrambling or nothing was really doing that they could not throw the ball at one point in the middle of the fourth quarter. He had run the ball more than they had completed passes and I'm not talking about like down field or two wide receivers. I mean, period with all the checkdowns and all the stuff they were doing to running backs, he had more rushing attempts in the fourth quarter at one point than he had completed passes. And in fact, the final drive against a basically a preventative defense, he went five of five for fifty five yards when they were down almost twenty five points before that. So like in the competitive portion of the game, if you want to call it that it was twelve of nineteen for a buck thirty four as of two minutes left in the game. So those are realistically more than numbers than the five for five for the fifty five that got added on that final drive. But the wide receivers were utterly uninvolved as you just pointed out. Fifty five of their one hundred eighty four yards passing were two wide receivers. Think about that. Yeah. Fifty five of one eighty four and that's even misleading because only nineteen yards had gone to wide receivers before the final garbage time drive. Nineteen all game long. The famous Terry McClure and quote to run back was I was doing cardio and so was everybody else. The army Brown had this big hour long YouTube thing that he put out on Friday night. He did not catch a single pass. So the transition from his big camp in preseason that we've heard so much about so far, a lot of football ahead of us, but oh for one on the stat sheet. Alameda is the key has caught his first pass in the fourth quarter on a fifteen yard out the longest throw completed by Jaden Daniels in the game by far. And it was again against a, you know, just a defense that said you can have that if you want it. No problem. We don't care anymore. I just hope we get to a point though, where he does the thing that he does so well to set up throw in the football. Here's what I mean. He was pressured twelve times. It wasn't a bad day. I didn't think from a pass rush standpoint against Jaden Daniels, but he was pressured twelve times. He did a really good job avoiding the pressure didn't turn a lot of those into sacks. I thought that was really encouraging, but he only completed one pass on, on those twelve plays. He only threw it four times. And mostly immediately just pulled the ball down and ran and going back and watching every single throw from the all twenty two already today on every single scramble on a third of those, at least there's opportunities to reset at the sticks. And now you've got a guy that's open and to me that is going to be the kryptonite for defenses. That's where he's going to be unbelievable is when he can get out of the pocket, use that speed, now reset and your quarterback throwing the football. Those are those back breaking place that not, I'm not talking about the guys with that level of athleticism, but that's what Rogers did to teams with my home. The homes does to teams, what, you know, they think Kellible Williams is going to be able to do. And Colin Murray at times. He was awful yesterday. Certainly was. Again, with all the weaponry in the world. So Daniels look like a Hall of Famer compared. So if I'm in Chicago, I'm going, Oh my God, we didn't score an offensive touchdown. We won and that's awesome because we blocked the punt and had the worst pick six in the history of mankind from Will Hyrtting. But the rest of it was so nubs, I'd be panicking over there. Good Will Hyrtting. Good Will Hyrtting. The movie where based in Boston, I think. He's writing equations on the board and throwing bad picks. But when you say you're discouraged, I'm not necessarily. It's kind of exactly what I anticipated early in the year, at least where him running the football is just way ahead of the other stuff. Yes. As a passer, maybe you could be discouraged, but I would just say in the passing game, right? Not him. Like I'm not going to sit here and say, Daniels is a dot of 1.5 on completions was lowest in the NFL, but as a passing game, one and a half yards depth of target for completions was worse than football. As a passing game, 86% of their yards came from yak, highest in the league, meaning just checking the ball down and hoping Austin had to play B-Rob runs at 25% adjusted completion on passes 10 plus area yards downfield. That's last among 30 quarterbacks. 30 QBs played so far in week one, 30. Only three didn't complete a single pass to the middle of the field beyond 10 yards. This was one of the big knocks on Daniels coming out. He's one of the three that didn't. There's still a lot of things that need to be answered, obviously, but at least you can feel good about for the first time in the post Griffin era. And if you take him out of the equation, maybe ever that you got maybe the best athlete on the field as your quarterback every single time you take the field. So here's why I was discouraged. Deep into the third quarter, you mentioned this. More than half of their offense entirely was a Daniel scrambles, zero targets from a chlorine and or zero catches from a chlorine and two targets for Echler. So the two best pass catching weapons you have were not utilized from nearly three. But you're discouraged in Daniels for that? That's not Daniel's thing. So I'm going. I'm saying in Daniels and talking about the offense. And yes. And well, here's but to me, they're very correlated. I'm going, here's how I could make it helpful for Daniels. Here's what will give him a chance to thrive and survive. And they went, nope, we're not doing that. Oh my God. That's why it's sort of, to me, it's, it relates directly to Daniels, his development, what to expect, what to hope for is Echler takes a check down for 22 yards on a, on a third and long and he right back off the field. Let's make sure we get Ryan Robinson back in the game to plot and power run in the center or maybe to have Daniel scramble again or something else. Like you need to involve the guys that are any good that can do something with the football in their hands. And they didn't for three quarters and wouldn't you know it, they were down big. If you guys want to join us, we will open up the MGM national harbor listener lines for the first time as we close in on the end of the hour here, 800-636-1067 to line them up 800-636-1067. So we've gotten to the head coach, the coordinators, the quarterback, working our way through some of the big storylines of the commanders debuting in 2024 and they're lost to the bucks. Let's get to game balls and gazers next on Grant and Danny. The seasons may be changing, but the deals at the sharpest rides are unbeatable as ever. Hey, what's going on? It's your girl, Tasha McKia. And I need you to join the sharpest rides for their fall into savings event, where they're offering incredible prices on their massive inventory. That's right. Everything is on sale now. 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He's Danny, I'm Grant, this is the fan, and we are live in our half street studios on a misery Monday, the commanders are 1-1, but they're coming back home and they get to take on perhaps the team that looked the absolute worst in all the NFL this weekend in the New York Giants. No such thing as a must win and in a rebuilding year early in the season, the record not the end all be all frankly, but it sure would be nice to come out and look a lot better and a lot different against the Giants team that at least according to the week one performance they put out on film against the Vikings is not going to be particularly good this year. Now we have long been the get right game for all Daniel Jones, who a third of his career stat compilations against Washington and they're eight, three and one against Washington over the last several seasons. But yeah, I mean, it's soft to landing spot as you can find. I think a few teams, one we expect to be good in Cincinnati, but a few teams looked horrendous in week number one. The Carolina Panthers, the New York Giants, a couple of the teams are horrible. This is a soft landing spot as you can have a home game against a bad team, which is why I think it's actually a bit of a high stakes game just from a, oh yeah, energy within the fan base standpoint, a rhetoric and discourse standpoint going into next week. If they look pretty good and you know, we could talk ourselves into the box being two and oh and on their way to maybe six and three or something through nine games. That's a really good team. It was a bad matchup. You can feel very differently a week from today as opposed to if they play poorly in a loss to the Giants and are owing to looking up at New York in the division. And as you said, New York's dreadful offense got right against Washington, but we'll get to the Giants later in the week and much more detail. We are still diving in and taking out a shovel for the law topsy and inventory on the loss to the box. We're opening up the phones at 800-636-1067. Now if you're new to the show, thank you and get ready for what should be a really fun football season here on Grant and Danny. We're fired up about it. We'll have Jay Gruden every Monday at five. He's with us today, actually at six because we got Tony Gonzalez today at five and we'll have Austin Echler all season long at five o'clock on Tuesdays, which is really, really cool. We're excited about that. We're also going to be making some road trips with listeners to games this year, which we're jacked up about. We'll have an announcement coming up this week on that here on Grant and Danny going to some road games this year. So there's a lot of things cooking we're very excited about. Now we just need the football team to play some decent football. That'd be nice. We'll be cooking with Greece. We'll be really, really happy about that. But what we always do end of our first hour on GND after games on Mondays in the football season is game balls and gasters. We give game balls to the best performers, performances and we give gasters to the worst. So let's start with a game ball, Darras Austin Echler, the aforementioned running back who will be on this show tomorrow. We wondered. I think a lot of people wondered, Danny, does he have any gas left in the tank? It is worst year last year. I thought he looked really shifty in the open field. He needs the ball more. That was going to be my game ball as well. 10 yards per touch. Please take advantage of him. Four carries for 52 yards. He also ran the ball twice for 10 yards for six and four. I thought he was just underutilized six touches. I'd like him to get twice as many as that against the Giants, hopefully, but he looked to me like old school Austin Echler with some wiggle and elusiveness was able to evade tackles in the open field. So liked what I saw there. Jammin Davis, I'm reaching here a little bit, but not that much action. I think just over 20% of snaps flashed a couple of times had a tackle for loss was flying around the line of scrimmage is kind of a an energy, you know, maybe not like a, I don't know, like a big pile moving type defensive end, but, you know, a guy that can maybe knife through the defense and have a nice little play here and there and be disruptive. I was pretty impressed, man. Pretty good debut with the defense event spot for Jammin Davis and manual. That's my fault. Emmanuel Forbes, new season. Same guy. Two penalties on one play. He just doesn't look like he belongs hard to defend him or try to make any case for why this is going to work. All he can do is keep grinding and I hope for the organization's sake, he continues to improve. They got the right guys to coach them up. There's no doubt in my mind about that and Quinn and Whit and their legacy with defensive backs. But he's very, very small and it just doesn't seem like he's able to do. It at this level. Cliff Kingsbury, if you turned in your homework to me and it says, with your really handsome face and deep baritone voice that's very intimidating, uh, I have got a plan that gets Terry McClure in two catches for 17 yards for the game. I go, go back into your room and do it again and he comes back and I got three catches for him. Do it again. More. I can't do this again, Cliff. I can't yell at my offensive coordinator into the void every Monday or Tuesday, depending when they play, that you have to get the best players on the football team, the ball more. This has got to be intuitive, Big Cat. Come on. You're so handsome. Just write down some little moves and little plays and little stacks, maybe hand it off to him. Do something to get him the football before the fourth quarter. He's like best friends with Sean McVay and that group of guys, they all hang out all the time. Do you never talk about football? Like, do you guys never discuss what it's like to throw to a receiver and get someone open? How are you in all their weddings and you're in all these parties hanging out, drinking and carrying on? I know those guys. They're good dudes. You're doing the toast for each other. You've been in the same room as Matt LaFlore a couple of times. Have you ever talked about football once to any of those guys? You and Mike McDaniel have never discussed motion and why it's important and why people do it? Don't take it from fat old gross, gross old me. Take it from him. Take it from them. You drink with these guys. You party with these guys. Talk about football. Learn about football. Anyway, gaster, please. The secondary. Have we talked about them yet? Not much. Thirteen throws to Chris Godwin and Mike Evans and, excuse me, let me redo that, fourteen throws to those two guys and thirteen catches. It was very, very easy for them on the outside. One more gaster for me, please. The first play of the season. Jayden Daniels has drafted second overall months of practice. This guy's automatic. He's never nervous. There's, you know, you're not going to believe how good he is. You're not going to believe what you see. First play, we got a little swing pass to a running back in the backfield. We drew it up because it's the easiest thing anyone can do. Pick a listener. They'll make it happen. I'm not trying to zone. It's just, it's just funny. Let's all have a little sense of humor here. The first play of the career, the first play of the season. That's a minus thirteen. That's minus fifteen. That, those are hard to do. That's tough. You miss your running back so badly because you throw it so far behind him that like he comes back and touches the ball just barely and it goes the other way for 15 yards. First play of the season. At least you can't say we weren't warned of what was to come on the first play of the day for the Washington offense. Yeah. First play of the preseason was a 96 mile an hour fastball on a screen and the first play of the regular season. Breyer Robinson like didn't even know the ball had been thrown. Like he got his head around. It was so far away from him. He was like, wait, seriously, it's loose. At least in the preseason, the next throw was that 40 yarder dropped in the bucket to Deami. We didn't get that one. No, we didn't get that one. Right open. First play of the second half is still running down field waiting on that throw. All right. Game balls to the best. This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Whether you love true crime or comedy, celebrity interviews or news, you call the shots on what's in your podcast queue. And guess what? Now you can call them on your auto insurance too with the name your price tool from Progressive. It works just the way it sounds. 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He has been competing in the Super Bowl to not get last, I think two or three years in a row. And maybe it's three and he finished in last this past year, which means the loser punishment we came up with is an embarrassing photo shoot. And so we're all going to pick really embarrassing outfits. I think Ryan wants him in overalls in the cowboy hat or something. I'm going to have him in goggles and a swim cab with a towel on. And he's just got to go to this photo shoot this couple of weeks away now. And I bring this up to tell you, Daris was making like his requests for the things he doesn't want. It's an outstanding list. It's a good no list. Whether they get abided by or not, we'll see over time. We're going to try to chisel away at them little by little to just keep working at them. Daris, I'll give you a hint. Cisco's saying about it, buddy. Let me see that. I can't remember. I can't remember. Yeah. But how you feeling over there? Pretty good. As we get closer to photo day. I don't feel great. Hold on. Was it? Let me see. Was it this song? Let me see. Was it this song that you're referring to? Might have been could be this one. I'm not familiar with the intro. What is this? Sounds like it's like a Bridgerton version of said song. I got to tell you though, Daris, A, you're a good sport and B, anytime you want to get out of the cellar, you can pick some winners and you could probably pull that off. All right. Let's get to the phones. People want to chime in. Game balls to the best. Gasters to the worst. The commanders. And embarrassing loss. Even if your expectations were calibrated correctly for this is a rebuilding season. I'm sorry, recalibrating season. Could you recalibrate your answer, please? We've got to find North. Even if you didn't think they'd find North that quickly. This was still disappointing. Yeah. It's fine. North, the new beer where your feet are. Just the quick side. Yeah. I didn't expect to be any good. I thought this defense would struggle. I didn't see a lot of upgrades there, even with improved coaching. Really especially in the secondary. But to me, the offense is the part that I'm going, Oh, no, that's what I'm really concerned about. And, and what was left to Jane Daniels, which is just go bail us out. There's not much there. There was nothing in the flow of the offense for three quarters of the game. Let's go to Shane and DC to get it started. What's up, Shane? Amanda, Danny and Grant, boy, oh boy, we in trouble. We're in trouble. I tell you this right now, but my gosh, goes to everybody on the damn commander's team. Offense and defense. How can you give a game ball to this thing, like 15 year old kids and 13 year old kids, you don't get a second place trophy. And they don't get a game ball. How do you get a game ball with that performance? And here's another thing. If Forbes, our secondary is by the worst I've seen in a long time with like, these are not even starters that on any other team in the league right now, and it just goes to show you that we are still got wrong with Barrett left over, if Jeff's choices were absolutely just ridiculous. It's just color what it is. But my gashers go to everybody. Oh, it looks like his way look like, if you look like University of Tennessee going up and down that field in North Carolina say yesterday, you want to see a defense? What's what the University of Tennessee did? They go to the ball, like there's nobody on that defense that flew to the ball and they say and surround Jonathan Allen, what do you do? I mean, he's getting what 28 years old now. This is a rebuilding year. We know that. So at this point, we need to start moving people because it's a rebuild and it's color what it is. This defense is absolutely horrible. Well, Shane, thank you buddy, thanks for the call. As they get closer to Halloween, like they did last year, if they're just out of it. I do think it's a possibility that you see them do something similar to last year. This ownership group showed you how they view. This is an owner that has ties to the NBA where they make a lot of those types of trades and other sports. They don't as much in football, but they did the sell off thing that you almost never see in the NFL. They got rid of their top two defense events and they went and got draft pick compensation. We've seen with some of the things they did, including trading Jahan Datsun, who they didn't, they feel like was a fit or could help them a whole lot, which seems more curious after yesterday, I would say, but they went and got a third round pick. They value picks. So I don't think it's a non zero that if we're closing on Halloween and they're not a good team and they're not competitive in terms of the standings and in games that someone like Allen with no guaranteed money left or someone like Doron Payne could be on the trade block, but I think there's no reason to discuss that today or put the cart before the horse. It's one week and week one can be a liar sometimes. Yeah. Again, so many fluke results and this over the last several years, remember, the year the Jacksonville won two games all year, they rolled in week one and looked great and then won once again in that same calendar year. Weird stuff happens. Cincinnati, who we expect to be really good was the worst team in the NFL yesterday, probably, right? I mean, maybe I actually that's not your Carolina plate, but everybody else, they were the second worst team probably like weird stuff happens in week one. So I'm not going to slam any gavels just yet. But you give a little extra weight when your priors are confirmed and a lot of mine were confirmed yesterday. I think that's how I feel. You know, yeah, when it's what you were worried about comes to fruition immediately. You don't view it as flooky and even if you're going to know, eventually be wrong and it was a fluke as of right now, it doesn't feel like it anyway. I will give credit to one corner who I thought stood out, Noah Igani had a pass breakup. I thought he was in coverage tight a couple of times didn't play a lot, but he was the one of all the guys, even Sander is still who I love. He got baptized a little bit in a tough match up inside with Chris Godwin, who's outstanding and is going to make more pro bowls in his career. But I thought Igani haven't seen what the grading looks like via PFF or anything, but I would imagine he's one of their higher graded DBs. Let's go to Mark and Largo on G and D mark. Hey was up guys, I think you have to give a game, apologize, but I'm kind of reluctant to do that. And I think the gas has to go to Adam Peters and I'm going to tell you why I say Adam Peters. I don't blame Dan Quinn for yesterday and I don't blame Cliff Kingsbury. I think Cliff Kingsbury is working with what he adds. Adam Peters, let's let Danny, you probably can agree with me on this when I go through this time, I won't blow them out, got him with the coach and surf, which was a total disaster. Dan Quinn was probably not their first choice, no, probably not their second choice, no. I wouldn't say he was their third choice. He was their fourth or fifth choice and then they pump him up like he was the original choice. It's just like Noah Brown. Noah Brown, they got off the waivers and they're building him up like he's the second coming to Jerry Wright's. And the saddest part about all of this is he doesn't want to admit to getting rid of, you had all this cap money. Okay. And Jayden is playing exactly like I told everybody who's going to play a month ago, just like Robert, like he feels like he has to do everything. Like Robert had to do 12 years ago. I have to do everything because I have no talent out there. I am not trying to criticize and say, I hate Luke McCaffrey, I have nothing against him at all. That is not the point. What I am trying to say is this, they don't have another two receiver behind Terry. They don't even have another three receiver behind Terry. Danny, you and I both know this receiving core as bad as they were last. He is much better than this one they got now. Appreciate you. Thanks, dude. Yeah. I mean, I think this was, I've been open about this and people are tired of me saying it, but I think this was a huge unforced error by the front office. I just disagree fundamentally with the plan. They see, they seem to be very satisfied. They're like, we'll have some development internally, whether it's, we trust down me Brown to do it or, you know, some readily available, you know, late third rounder also ran. We'll be able to step in and give us the production we want and need a fundamental to disagree with that approach. I think they reared its head yesterday. It's for one game. I'm not going to be able to say like, I'm right. You guys are wrong. You're idiots. I mean, they got a plan. They're smarter than me. But I think this was an easily upgradeable opportunity that they decided not to. And you know, week one of the results weren't good. Yeah. I'll never argue or disagree on the standpoint that they don't have enough weapons or talent. You're not going to get me to do that. But when you do have one really good player and he catches his first pass at the three minute mark of the third quarter and he is targeted four times twice on throws that are either uncatchable on just down the field throwaway types or out of bounds. So really two catchable targeted balls within the field of play. All game long. Why would we waste any time talking about who they don't have the guys they have they didn't use Austin Echler mostly stood on the bench? Zach hurts. I know you've heard heard to him as a catch and fall guy. He's still can box guys out and make contested catches. He proved it on one of the only throws into a small window in the entire game by Jayden Daniel. It was a nice play by Arts. It was like a nine yard kind of in breaking route with a linebacker on his back hurts hurts. Daniels throws it and hurts kind of reaches back across his body a little bit and makes a really good catch. There's still value there by the way. Yeah, because he can catch the ball. You wouldn't know it because you didn't see him. That's kind of my point. Like I'll have more time to have the conversation about what they lack in weaponry when the guys that they do have are doing something. And until they use those guys to me, then it's more of an issue than talent. Right? It's a scheme problem too. If you can't get your decent players open, let's go to Todd in Haymarket. What's up, Todd? Hey, boys. How you doing? Thanks for taking my call. Thanks. Sure. Yeah. My wife and I just got back. We were down at the game at Tampa yesterday and I do have a game ball to hand out and that's for the commander fans that showed up yesterday. We infested their stadium just like FedEx or whatever Northwest Stadium is infested by other teams. So that was kind of a good feeling. When you can hear 15, 20,000 fans hollering defense during our time, we're on defense. It kind of felt good like, hey, we could infest other stadiums too. So that's cool. There's still commander fans out there and I really appreciate how hot were you? My wife actually went to the game with her brother and I was texting with her during the game. Yeah. It was a little rough, but I tell you what, we were sitting on the kind of the home side of the field because that's where the shade comes in. Oh, that's fine. When we sat down, the shade was on us. So we were good and we were like looking over there where the ship was and all those people sitting in the summit was very brutalized over there. Yeah. That was my life. I mean, she was there. Yeah. She was right in front of, I guess, the pirate ship and she just kept saying, like, it's the hottest I've ever been. And she saw one person after another dropping and being carried out of there with EMTs going to get them. So that's fun stuff. It was so hot. Apparently. Yeah. They were doing stick on the broadcast where it's like it's finally dropped a little hundred degrees on the field. Like I feel, I feel great for Laura that she's in such comfortable settings. That is a thing though. Think about it. The number of fans and I can relate to this personally, but you fly, you get a flight, you get a hotel. Yeah. Like you go down there and I'm not saying anybody's owned anything, right? You are owed an entertaining enough product to go out and enjoy the game. Yeah, you opted in. I think you got some of that, right? And everyone's an adult. You can go to a movie and not like it or go to a TV show, filming or whatever and not be entertained by the guests that night, a stand up comedian can have an off night. But I mean, people really did invest. There were thousands and thousands of fans that made that trip, which I think speaks well to the juice with at least the die heart, something. Yeah, that was fun. Still in this fan base. It's got a low and silver spring on GND. What's up, Lou? Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my call game balls. I think I would give one to Jaden. You know, he showed some poise. You can kind of see, you know, all the good stuff he can do with his legs. I think with time and maturity, you know, you can really kind of see what he can do for us. People also give one to B Rob. I just think ever since that guy got shot in the leg a little over a year ago, he just showed you exactly why he's your number one running back. Every gasser you guys could have goes to the defense and to the defensive coaches, including Dan Quinn, for me, you know, to the previous caller. I need to see much more out of Allen and Payne. Those guys make the money up front, just not hitting home with it. If we have to wait half a year for Forbes to figure it out, we're going to lose a lot of games. And I'm just, I was a little upset that, you know, we, we have Dan Quinn. We have Joe Witt and Dallas's defense didn't skip a beat. They looked amazing yesterday, tore Cleveland a new one. And that was a little discouraging for me. But that's, that's it. Thanks guys. That's a good point, by the way, just, you know, again, week one, weird stuff happens, but Dallas defense looked just fine. Oh, Mike. Never had that. I will say Robinson as a ball carrier as long as seven, it was 12 for 40. So it was 3.3 a pop. Yeah. Didn't do a whole lot for me there. I thought he was outstanding as a receiver. Three catches for almost 50 yards. He made more guys miss on his three catches per capita than anybody had the big 32 yard catch and run remember, yeah, along the sideline where he got down to the goal line and set up a touchdown. So three for 49 there and it would have been four for, you know, probably close to 55 60. If not for that first throw. I thought that was sticky tack, by the way, that block in the back. Oh, that one gets called back to that's right. Big rumble. Right. So yeah, I mean, that, I didn't even count that one. I mean, that could have been, you know, he, he actually did have closer to almost 70 yards if that's not negated, but I've said this since last year when I went and saw a training camp, a couple of practices and seeing him catch it, he could do that. Yeah. Now you have Eckerler. So there's no reason not to use both, but you take that penalty away, they combine for like eight for well over a hundred, the two of them. I think that should be a part of the offense all year. 100% and I personally am a huge fan of Brian Robinson, like who's tougher than that guy? What he came back from that no one should have to deal with is outrageous, but that I put a period there. The next paragraph, just not my style. It's not my thing. The way you run in the football, for every, like tough run where he's angry and gets an extra yard and a half or something like that, and everyone loves and they're pounding their chest like it's Rigo in the eighties. There's a scat back on the sidelines that could be doing more and does more dynamic stuff. He got to like him in the open field in the past game though. That's, that's to me. It's exciting. Yeah. And I've got a better version of that in Ecuador. So I would, I would just reverse the splits, give me way more equir. One other thing he said, game ball to Jaden Daniels, again, I'll give a game ball to Jaden Daniels, run in the football for sure. They did very little passing the football and everyone's a part of that. It's not just his problem, but I'm looking at this. He was charged with three fumbles yesterday. What am I missing? Now they called the first play a fumble on the pass because it's a backwards pass. Yep, then there was the sack fumble where he was recovered by Wiley. Yes. Yep. No, I think it was recovered by Yotish. And that was like a, he just had his hand too low, one hand on the ball that shouldn't happen. He'll learn to not do that. What was the other fumble? I don't know. I got to think. I don't know. One down along the goal line or something. I'll have to pull up where the third fumble was. Let's go to Reggie and Charlotte. Hey Reggie. Hey guys, you got me. Sure. Yeah, go ahead. You're on the radio. Okay. Yeah. So game ball goes to Jayden Daniels. I agree with you all. Passing the ball kind of left me a little, little one and more, but running the ball. Once you got settled down after that first drive, he looked amazing out there. He's like the fastest guy on the field, but you knew that coming out of LSU. And then we could just find a way to safely continue to implement that in the game plan. Sign me up for more of that. But like other people also, gasses, gasses go to the defensive line. You can't have make a mayfield in the backfield kind of corral for five or six potential sacks and not only give one of them. And that turns the game around for me, at least on defense, because you get off the field and you give your offense a lot more opportunities if you can close those drives and close those plays out. So gasses go to the defense and definitely agree with you all. Coming in, I wanted to see all of the expectations match up with the potential on the field, the expectations for being fast and physical and smart on the field. The defense didn't live up to that. Joe Witt, his defense didn't live up to that as a defensive coordinator, also Dan Quinn. So I definitely want expectations to be heightened in the performance to match that, but that's my game ball and that's my gap. Love to show. Thanks for taking the call. Appreciate you, buddy. Yeah. They said basically that the catchphrase on defense has been arrived violently. I'll just go with arriving. And then we'll worry about the violently part after that. By the way, I found it. The third fumble. You remember there was like a keeper, a read option play, he got to the sideline and he hurtled a guy right at the sideline, like literally jumped over him. Yeah. When he jumped over, my remember now, the ball like popped up in the air and he fumbled out of bounds. Oh, so it was ruled a fumble out of bounds. There you go. So a nothing burger, but three fumbles for the record. Breaking news on the kicking situation, which we have not gotten into. I won't bury the complete lead, but I'll let you know Washington is going to be looking for a kicker, the details next on G and D. Dear autumn leaves, you won't be covering roads alone this season. Toyota's lineup of cool, colorful vehicles is ready to ride by your side. Take on fall in a trail tackling Tacoma or go for the powerful Tundra, head to toyota.com for more info or visit your local Toyota dealership today, Toyota. Let's go places. This episode is brought to you by progressive insurance. 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Never waste a hunch and make every moment more with FanDul, an official sports book partner of the NFL. Welcome back to Grant and Danny on the fan, thanks to Toby for that breaking news. Kade York released his long illustrious stay in Washington ends after one game and an 0-2 in field goal attempts with a kick out of bounds on a kick off and an on-side kick that didn't have a chance. This was actually a really easy decision for them because the trade that they made with the Browns stipulated. The fine print was if Kade York kicks in two games for Washington, the commanders have to give up the 7th round pick for him. But if he doesn't, then they just basically signed him, got him for nothing, and could release him free of penalty. So by releasing him after his one blunder of a game, they now no longer have to give up a 7th round pick, so it was the equivalent of just grabbing a guy that was on the waiver wire essentially. Here's the bigger problem though, since they released Brandon McManus after the allegations that have since been dropped came out about him on an airplane harassing flight attendants, possibly assaulting flight attendants. They have been on the kicker carousel. This is no place that you want to be Danny. Nope. Mamas don't let your kids grow up to be kickers. Rameez Ahmed signed and cut, Riley Patterson signed and cut. Kade York acquired via trade and now cut. They will be on to their fifth kicker fifth since the spring and their fourth kicker since just the start of training camp when they bring somebody in here in the next 24 hours. So yeah, I don't know, man, the whole time I was going during training camp, they seem to be very comfortable, meaning we'll just work it out, whatever's going to happen is going to happen. We'll, we'll, someone will get cut or we'll trade for somebody and they did and it clearly wasn't solved. The way I would do it is, is acknowledge that, hey, there's nothing that's close to being done here. It's the only position where you can really do this. But if you've put football within the last calendar year or so, come on down. Here's a plane ticket. Come see us in Ashburn. We got a little regional airport right there or you can fly to Dallas. We'll send you a car. We'll get you an Uber. Come right to the facility. Kick the ball through the upright sometimes. It shows how you do kickoffs, et cetera. I would have had far more of a wider net cast. I mean, they're, they're narrowing it down via, via scouting and guys that they like or I've experienced with. But again, we're through one week and as you said, kicker number five is calendar year. I'm asking a question. I'm not making a point. So please, nobody get angry at me. Don't cancel me. I've got a couple of kids at home. They just need daddy to keep his job. You can't bring Brandon McManus back in. Can you? I don't think so. The, the thing that I read a couple days ago, I want to make sure I got it right. So I just looked it up. There's an amended complaint now because the initial charges were dismissed. There's an amended lawsuit with certain details or a couple, you know, changes in some way. So it's, whatever the legal trouble is around McManus seems to still be pending. That's a name that I would have been interested in if they decided that they could go that route because his legal status has changed since they cut him. Obviously it would not be a great PR move. Greg Joseph got cut by the Green Bay Packers in training camp. He was with the Vikings the last three years as a big leg. That's the name that's interesting to me, but let's actually get some breaking news on who it sounds like they could be bringing in right now. Breaking news on the fan brought to you by BetqL, smarter bets start with BetqL. Get three free days of BetqL access by downloading the BetqL app or visiting BetqL.com. This is via national reporter for NFL network, Tom Pelasero, the commander's plan to sign veteran kicker, Austin Sibert. He is on their short list. They are in the works on a deal with him already. So by saying goodbye to one former Browns kicker and Kate York, they could be bringing another one in and Austin Sibert. He kicked last year for the Jets, went one of one on field goal attempts. It was between 30 and 39 and he made his only extra point. He handled three kickoffs. So very, very minimal action in the NFL last season in 2022. He was with Detroit. He went three for five, his longest attempt was short of 50 and he hit all 12 of his extra points. In his career, 56 of 62 on extra points and 45 of 53, about an 80% rate on his field goal attempts. But interestingly, if you look at made from 50 plus, just two, four, seven in his career. So he hasn't really shown a whole lot of length from deep. But these are the guys that are available. He's 27. They're also probably not trying to find the best kicker necessarily for next week, but someone who could grow into being their long term kicker that they could have around here for the rest of the season and beyond. So Austin Sibert is the next man up. Yeah. So I remember from Cleveland a few seasons ago, feels like you had a pretty good year then. But again, that's like five calendar years ago. He's been kicking around a lot of part time stuff, filling in a handful of games with Cleveland, Cincinnati, Detroit, mentioned the one game with the Jets. So there are guys with more significant resumes. You mentioned Greg Joseph, who's been kicking pretty steadily in the league for a while. They don't seem to be interested in that there. They're very much in this cave York tier of guys that were in the league kind of a now aren't as much that like this is where they're mining clearly. They like the idea of like young and potential like hasn't been great yet, but maybe he could be for me as a med, no experience, Riley Patterson limited, not great experience. Kate York same exact thing and now cyber that's four straight guys with dudes like Greg Joseph and others who have kicked in the league for years out there. So I think again, they're not just trying to to answer the question who would be the best kicker against the Giants. They're basically saying who might be a kicker here is like signing anyone in any position. Sure. I'm getting some 34 year old to get you to the end of the year. They're trying to build the room, so to speak. So let me ask this question there, rhetorically, because I think that's that that's at least a silly philosopher or a thought, wouldn't you then not be cutting guys after a game? It like if you if you want to think long term because we're building, if this is a recalibration or we're finding north as we rebuild or we're building north or whatever it is we're doing right now, wouldn't you be more patient? Like if you're trying to win the division and this guy's kick screwing you, you got to act now. Let me just ask. I don't have an answer. I would say yes, if there wasn't a draft pick tied to him. In other words, I I really believe that if a seventh round pick wasn't on the line by keeping him till next week, he'd still be here. But if there's no real difference between him and Austin cyber or the other guys on your list, you're basically saying what's better, Austin cyber or kadiork and a seventh round pick. You know, they value picks. I mean, they've made them very clear. So I think that's why they did what they did today. And now your question could be, why would they have been willing to give a seventh round or up? And maybe if he came in here and he kicked the lights out, then it didn't matter. In practice every day, he's crushing it and you know, he's good from 57 yesterday and he's good from, you know, 47 and he went two for two or whatever. Then maybe they feel like, I don't care that we're giving up a seventh rounder. We got our kicker of the future and we love the length on the leg. By the way, there was a record number of field goals made from 50 plus in the league yesterday. Did you guys see that stat? There was a record. Yes, there's never been more kicks of 50 or more or even 54 or more, both categories made in any one week in NFL history as there was yesterday. It's so maddening when you watch all these other games, Chris Boswell, good from 50 plus saved the Steelers bacon. I think he made three six kicks in the game, save their bacon on three field goals 50 plus. There were three different kickers who had multiple 50 yard field goals essentially yesterday and Washington's guy goes out from 47 and can't figure it out. The type of miss matters to me. I know it maybe doesn't to anyone else. They just want it in and that's kind of the end of it. But when a guy's not, you know, dramatically off where it's like, it looks like he never had a chance. Both of those, both of his kicks kind of faded towards the end plenty of distance there. I don't know. I'm when someone's not close with like, I met a couple of times, kicked the ball and it's like, you've never kicked the ball before. That's what it looks like. You were out there, you won some kind of contest for Dr. Pepper at halftime of a college ball game to win a couple grand or something. It looked ridiculous. I thought you're looked fine. I know the balls that go through the upright and it's because they sort of drifted to the right there a little bit, but it wasn't like, Oh, these are these are laughable attempts like Chris Blue, it's where you know, no, I don't think he's a laughable option. I don't think he's a guy that's going to make terrible kicks attempts, but making them is the name of the game. Sure. I don't care. If they're sailing beautifully, end over end and it's a nice loud thud when you make contact. That's all cool. But the most important part is when that thing sails into the end zone, it's got to go through those yellow things. Let's go to Chris and Hyatt's villain, G and D. What's up, Chris? What's up? Hey, why don't they just hired that kicker guy on YouTube? He looks pretty good. I don't know him, but he's like a trick kicker, dude. He's like his young black guy who does like viral videos and he just hits bombs from like his backyard. He was the one that was in the UFL kicking for San Antonio, but he got injured in like his second game. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I forget what his real name is, but his YouTube name is like destroying something. I also again, like, I don't know anything. I'm just a portly fella sitting in a seat. Your boy would have gone to Jake Bates, speaking of the UFL kick for the lions last night. And I just said here, I know you've never kicked one second in the NFL. Here's four years and 20 million. You're our new kicker. Enjoy yourself. You'll be here for four years. They didn't seem to be in a rush. I'll just figure it out with Ramese Ahmed, how'd that work out? Anyway, continue. Chris. There's also one co-host that has still been get to prove he can kick a field goal. Good point. 19 out of 20 field goals from 40 yards. It'll ever happen. It'll ever happen. Unfortunately. Are we still doing game balls and gas? There's a different question now. You could do it. We'll allow it. All right. I gotta give it a game ball to Jayden Daniels for just being a complete professional and not folding. Even though he didn't have a great game, especially passing, he didn't look like he was overwhelmed or that he was morally crushed by just how good the NFL is compared to what he may have expected. So I, you know, and he running the ball, I mean, he's dynamic. I mean, Lamar, but with a little less shift, a little less shiftiness. But my gasser's got to go to Cliff Gingsbury because I haven't seen a worse offensive game plan to start a season since like the, you know, the end of the Jay Gruden error. And I can't believe that, you know, watching other guys play quarterback all weekend who are knowing where they're going to go with the ball almost before the snap. I know it's going to take a long time for Jayden to get there, but he needed a little bit more layups built into the game plan and it just didn't seem like those were available. Thank you, buddy. I mean, to me, the only, those predetermined, we're doing a bubble screen or we're doing some of the quick stuff. It's like, yeah, the other team knows that too. There's got to be some kind of counter punch like every, every post player in, in, in basketball, you need one move and a counter to that move. If somebody sits on it, right? Kareem Abdul-Jabbar scored a billion points with a sky hook, but if you sat on it, he would go up and under, you know, there's no counter it seems like, right? Nobody's afraid of down the field. Nobody's a threat of that kind of that, you know, 20 plus yard strike on this deep out or flooding the zone with this kind of receiver. It's, yeah, we know it's going to be flipped out one way or the other to Zacchaeus or maybe flipped to McCorn one time or, you know, we'll give, I don't know, we'll give a look with Kaffrey a touch. Nobody's afraid. And that's very easy to defend when everybody's in one place. Yeah. I'll disagree on not enough layups given to him. I think all they did was layups pretty much. I think they went too heavy in that way. As I said earlier, they had six completions behind the line of scrimmage. I mean, the first throw of his career was designed to be a piece of cake, just a wheel route to a running back, running downhill toward the line of scrimmage. They had a 1.5 yard average depth of completed target in this game. So I think there were plenty of layups. I thought Kingsbury had a decent enough plan in terms of the getting Daniels into the flow thing. It was the other stuff I had an issue with. You know, where were your in breaking routes to beat some zones? Where was the stuff in the middle of the field that the soft spot against, you know, defenses in this league? Where was anything being pushed down the field and if they were taking that away, then there should have been more again in the intermediate area. They didn't have a single completion beyond 10 yards until the garbage time final drive on the 15 yard out route to Zacchaeus. Now, those were some of my issues kind of with their plan in the passing game. Dan Quinn is speaking with the media. At some point today, we'll let you hear what he had to say, but a couple of nuggets from that that will pass along next and more details coming out on how the commanders are handling their kicking situation as they have released Kate York and they are working on finding his replacement. You're listening to the fan. [silence] Frank Dany on the fan, Dan Quinn just a few minutes ago was talking with the media and the question came up about Jaden Daniels running the ball 16 times and he said that that is not the model. He said that's not the plan sustainably moving forward and he said that Jaden Daniels be the first to admit. Not a few of those. He wants to see him try to, you know, rip a ball in meaning throw it into a smaller window. I think he was kind of looking for wide open. He was used to wide open at LSU and when there wasn't anything wide open, the default was let's pull the ball down and let's go make a play and Dan Quinn's point is, you know, as he gets more experience, he's going to really fit some balls into those windows and throw it a little bit more as the walls are caving in around him. But yesterday, clearly, he was very content to just take off. And even though there were 16 runs, by my count, pull them up here in front of me, I've got five that were designed and all five, by the way, were in the second half. He ran a naked keeper on fourth and one to get a first down. They ran two powers at a shotgun, which by the way, I'd take those out of the playbook. I don't know where you're at on that. I would tear them out and I would use the largest flame generating device I had to burn them. You know what I wouldn't mind and people are going to hate this a lot. Luke McCaffrey having those who's six foot two and a wide receiver. Who played a quarterback in college, Ben said at the football to have a good Brian Robinson do it. Enough. He did get one direct snap that was actually very successful. But yeah, that kind of high school football, like your quarterbacks, your best athlete, snap it to him, let him go off tackle for a few yards. He thumped it in there for two yards and took a big wallop. Vida Vaya landed on him. I'm sure that's good. Yeah. I'm just not a big fan of the 206 pound quarterback or whatever he is today, getting tackled on a power between the tackles. But anyway, so they had two of those, they had the naked and then they had two read options, which I guess by design aren't definitively his hard to tell. It was like outside zone and he's just clearly going to be a keeper, but it looked like both plays where he was reading it out on the bear defender on the outside. So if you count those, that's five on the two read options. One was the touchdown from one yard out and the other was the hurdle on the sideline with the fumble out about right. But 11 Scrambles, five designed runs. So if you're mad at say Cliff Kingsbury and going, you crazy, you're putting him in harm's way. Well, that's a pretty big chunk there. I mean, in terms of percentage, you're talking about 73% of his runs were not designed that way. They were kind of his decision to do so. And some of those are great plays. Some of those, if you have team, well, teams are in man and they got their back turned, right? You break, you kind of squirt through that one spot where the, you know, the rush lanes may be deteriorated a little bit or you evade somebody, you got a chance for a big game. And some of their best offensive plays were those. There's room for that. That's what makes you special. The next layer of what makes you special is where there's only maybe a five yard gain and you're diving forward and somebody's ear hole in you or whatever that play you sort of, you know, get out of the trouble, maybe run parallel to line of scrimmage a little bit, draw some defenders in, hit somebody that's plastering or going deep, then those special back breaking plays happen too. That's the next level. It's time for our double play driven you by your local Washington area Honda dealer stopping for a great deal on the rugged and capable Honda pilot contact. Your local Washington area Honda dealers today. How do you enjoy your first NFL Sunday all day yesterday? We did pretty darn well, I would say, running the kids around like just absolute maniacs. We had a soccer game. We had our first flag football experience for my youngest. But fun when is when as good as it could possibly go, I suppose towards the end, I think all the kids kind of had enough because this was like the introductory sort of game slash practice. So we're all trying to help them understand like here's how you hand the ball off. And I think they got that kind of had enough or a little bit annoyed about it. But we had homemade nachos for the game, that's a play, which was great. God, it was so good. Like out of the oven where you can there's no like delay that then it gets to the table and then you have to sell most of the two trees sprinkled on like yeah, tortilla. I mean, my wife handled it like I just sort of like covered around once I smelled it, you know, knowing that it was coming to get I was just in the way generally as husbands tend to be when wives who know what they're doing in the kitchen are, you know, trying to prepare stuff. But yeah, she did this whole ensemble that wasn't like that soaking wet nacho, which happens at the end sometimes for you Greece or it's buried. Good cheese integrity, sort of evenly placed throughout with all the good toppings or jalapenos involved. I was thrilled with my nacho experience. Really nothing off the grid. Nothing creative didn't get cute. My wife was at the game as I said in Tampa. So your boy did I did my normal at my staple, would you have Kate cod, the crunchy kettle cooked potato chips with hell of a good dip sour cream and onion, hell of a good dip. That's the red and yellow tub. Yep. You're curious. Coke zeros at the wazoo. Yep. How many cooks years you have? What's the worst thing to do? There are a lot of cans. Well, this was all day. This was from about 1158 on that couch to about, I don't know, 1157 on the other one. Do you know the number? Do you know the number? No, I have no idea. But I would say, I mean, normally I'm not a big volume Coke zero guy. Like when I'm at a restaurant, I'll pummel two or three glasses or whatever. But like otherwise, I might have one for dinner. I had probably seven cans. Those are going to say we could do a great guessing game. I could go through my trash. But for some reason, I don't know why this is what I'm when it poured into glass on ice, it just goes so much faster. Like if I go to a restaurant, yes, because it's that it's the wider mouth. So like the small mouth of a bottle, you're just not doing the volume, but not even the bottle. I never do bottle, but like just being in it, you know, at a restaurant out of the fountain or whatever, maybe you're just not keeping track of how many you're drinking. But to see the cans around you as you're, pummeling, I'm like, man, look at the carcasses. Look at all the bones. Some pretzels. At one point is a snacky. And then I did a little shopping early in the morning and the kids get solo dad, a little bit of help from the area. But they wanted like these chicken tenders that you just throw in the air fryer. And I was like, me too. That's great. Those are perfect. So I got good decision, kids. And that was my dinner too. So I had a handful of those in the third quarter while Mike Evans was making his 19th catch pretzel breakdown for me. Were they the little pretzels, the bite size that like the sniders have hand over in the in the tub with like it's working on your teeth a little bit. So this was a like a chip sized bag of pretzel. Uh huh. This was your traditional kind of like three triangles. Yup. Like the the loops looks like a kind of heart outline. Yeah, kind of crunchy pretzel. Like hand size or palm size, like the palm, the palm, they between your seat. They're not big. They're good. Oh, they're very good. You know what you could do as a snack? Hear me out. The that those pretzels. You dip them in the tiniest bit of cream cheese. Well, I would never do that. I mean, I just a little bit of cream cheese. If I'm dipping them in anything, it's going to be Raheem mooser. Give it a shot. Okay. Just if you get like a tub of the of the cream cheese, get a little get a little taste on the upper corner and then put the whole palm sized pretzel bite in your mouth. I watched an obnoxious amount of football yesterday. Had red zone with, you know, my own YouTube TV, like four games on one red zone on another game on another. I mean, it was just we were rocking and rolling. There's only a couple of things I didn't get to watch mostly in the four o'clock window because of the locals ruining everything. But it was fun to see the locals again. I missed them. And I will see them in person this Sunday. Good for you in the landover. You and Daris going to the game bigger. You're going to be there. Yeah. Let's go D that. I will be in attendance on Sunday. I didn't know that Papa. Yeah, I'm half regretting it now. Okay, but we'll see. Catch the excitement. You're not regretting it. I'll open her. You see Jaden go 15 for a buck 11 on the ground. Hey, let's do this thing. Let's do it to get hunted by those frontline defenders. By the way, Jaden Daniels on pace for 272 carries that would tie Christian McCaffrey last year for number two in the NFL. Eight rushing attempts behind Derek Henry. That's just fine. Grant and Danny on the fan. The beltway blitz is next. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] If the NFL is indeed a TV show about quarterbacks, yesterday's episode was pretty magnificent. That don't mean the games where actually passing touchdowns were the lowest that they've been in the last six years and offense was generally down from a passing standpoint. But just the drama before the kickoff in week one on the opening Sunday, one of the biggest stars in the league who players named the number one player in the National Football League, Tyree Kill was arrested outside of the Dolphin Stadium, aside from right beside the road where all the fans drive into the stadium. So imagine, they're driving by and I shouldn't laugh at this. I shouldn't make light of this, but he is on the ground in handcuffs. And like the videos I'm seeing are this dude. There's just one guy I saw he goes, Oh, no, dude. That's Tyree, and he's like he's getting out the window and he goes, I got him in fantasy today. And like someone's like, you better put him on the bench and like Tyree kills in cuffs. Now, not a funny situation. I don't know what happened. They're investigating the officer. I'm sure they'll investigate what Tyree killed it as well, but he got arrested and one of his teammates, Goliath Campbell, former Walter Peyton Man of the year, whose side I would take in a, you know, back and forth with police officer as a good dude. He ended up in cuffs somehow when he walked over. So Scotty Scheffler vibes there possibly will get more details, but between that Danny and then Dak Prescott, about an hour and a half before kickoff broke the NFL record of $60 million a year at quarterback. It was a absolutely incredible lead up to kickoff yesterday drama. She was real. The NFL TV writers did a great job. They certainly did. Lots of meat still on the commander's box bone. We'll get into what was more discouraging the offense of the defense coming up at 425, but let's kick off our belt lay blitz here on G and D. We'll start with Spencer. Nuss Baum will cover the nationals for the Washington Post Spencer. A lot of people probably had their eyes on football yesterday and kind of forgot about the nats for a day or so. They split four games with the pirates. Correct? That is correct. And I frankly can't blame them on the first Sunday of the season. No kid answers. What they miss? Yeah. So I think that the big takeaways from the road trip, obviously yesterday was kind of a stinker Patrick Corbin getting back to kind of his form that we saw in the middle of the season. A lot of seven runs, three home runs and the nats are shut down by Jared Jones who's a very intriguing young pitcher on Pittsburgh side. I think if you want one positive take away out of that, it's in CJ Abrams, trying to lead off home run. As we all know, he's been struggling for a while now instead of see him kind of get one out of the park and get one going. Um, has to be encouraging after, you know, what, what has been a rusty month. Spencer feels like CJ Abrams could really use a nice last few weeks. These, these valleys that he's hit, uh, no pun intended a few different times over the course of the year have kind of really put a damper on, on some of his numbers. There's some pretty good counting stats in there, but man, some of these swoons and some of these at bats and a lot of these offers. It's been ugly at times. Yeah, absolutely. Again, like the big thing for him is consistency. The same thing and Senate, you really ascribe to any young player, but, um, for him, the valleys have been low and especially, I mean, now it's, it's been since July, you know, he had a rough May and you kind of said, okay, that was one month, um, because the high point surrounding it, but yeah, it's just been tough. Um, his timing has looked off at the plate as of late. Um, he, he's not hitting balls that he should be and, um, really anything that isn't a fastball up there. He's really struggled with. Um, once again makes it encouraging that he hit a slider, um, out of the park because he has just struggled so much on those sort of pitches. Um, you can see it's affecting him. He, he talked about it after the game. He said he thinks he's been in his own head. Um, but he's been working on step in the cage and he felt like yesterday he finally started to get a timing back. So we'll, we'll kind of see if that carries over. Spencer, two games at home coming up with the Braves and then four to wind down the homestain against the Marlins. It's Tuesday through Sunday at home for the nationals this week at Nat's Park. What do people need to know? Yeah, I think the biggest thing that I've been looking for is on the, the pitching side of things particularly with a DJ hers and the Kenzie Gore. Those are two guys who have really pitched very well for the nationals in the past couple of weeks. Mackenzie Gore is starting to find that second gear, get his velocity back. So if you can finish up the year strong, that's a huge benefit for the team. Um, he and DJ frankly have the best stuff in that starting rotation. Um, DJ had five no hit innings on Saturday, I believe, um, before he was pulled. So see if those guys can kind of keep it up over the last few weeks he's in. They're both at or near career highs and innings. Um, so I'd say that the, the main point to watch again, seeing if CJ can do it. Um, then obviously anytime, uh, you know, Dylan and James, that, that's really at this point every single game you're looking at what they can do and what, you know, it's going to kind of close up these last few weeks. Spencer, thank you as always, but have a great week. Thanks. We'll see you my friend. Hit that local 53 sounder. Our guy, Mitch Tischler joins us to talk about what happened yesterday. Mitch, big picture would you make of a buddy? You know, when we got out of the game yesterday, I was a little down on it. I thought that the team played poor than, than I expected, but I went back and watched a little bit of the film since morning, the game this morning. And I think that they were a little bit closer than, than I, than I thought yesterday, they had a couple chances early in the game. The defense did a good job of bending and not breaking despite being put in a couple of bad situations because of the missed field goals and a bad block in the bad penalty and they could have scored a touchdown, you know, early in that game. I think that, I think they had some chances to, to make the thing a little bit closer and give me a chance to win. But ultimately, uh, the team broke down kind of as the game went on and obviously got a game that a little away from them in the second half. Mitch, where were you when I needed you study in my film? Huh? Helping me out when I was, uh, trying to make plays. Uh, yeah, I mean, look, there was a camera at that time. I was shooting the game on the field. I wasn't watching film and all that different world. That's, that's a good point. I'm an old man now. Uh, yeah, there were certainly some plays to be made for sure. And in the league, I guess no game unless you're the panthers and you're playing the saints is a complete debacle. What about the kicking situation speaking of the bottles? Kate York's been cut. This is now kicker number five. If you count McManus kicker number four, since they moved on from him, it looks like Austin cyber. It's going to be the guy. Yeah. I mean, we're in the kicker of this right now and, uh, it ain't, ain't a great place to be, but we've been in the quarterback at this for 25 years. So, uh, at least we're out of, we seem to be working our way out of the, out of that abyss there. So, um, you know, that was a really bad performance from a kicker there. Two missed kicks in the, and the kickoff out of bounds. It's just entirely unacceptable. And quite frankly, anyone who thought that, uh, that he was going to, Kate York was going to stick around this week. Uh, hasn't been listening or watching, uh, what they and Quinn and Adam Peters are care about. What's your grateful gift for Cliff Kingsbury in week one? You know, um, I thought we got a little bit too early in this game. Um, there was one play early in the game where they had kind of the old line was, was in a run blocking show and they had Sam Cosby pulling around on a pass and ultimately, um, ultimately, uh, Jayden had to tuck it wrong because they weren't able to block it up correctly. We saw the double pass attempts with, uh, with, uh, with Luke, uh, Luke McCaffrey there. You know, I, I would have liked to have seen a couple more balls downfield. I know the, the bucks were dialing up the pressure and you have the shortest time, you know, the throw of any quarterback in the NFL, but, you know, I think that they could have done a better job helping up the offensive line and keeping a couple more blockers in to help out and give as receivers a chance to get downfield. But, you know, that very first play of the game, having that, you know, short little throw, uh, the Brian Robinson go back to team yards. All of a sudden, you're erasing your entire, you know, first 15 game script because you're in the second and 25, uh, right away. So I think, uh, I think they'll hopefully do a little bit better job kind of moving forward. But listen, we've seen Jayden play now in three football games and in two of them, they tried to, they tried to open the game with that kind of quick little pass to running back and both times Jayden missed it. That might not be his cup of tea. Might want to try and, uh, get him an easier, a little bit different of an easy pass to kind of get his legs under him as you move forward. That's a good point. A Mitch Tischler is with us monumental sports networks where they can check him out. Uh, Mitch, speaking of Daniels just brought her brush here, I guess. What did you make of his outing? He had more rushing attempts than completions at one point mid fourth quarter. If I was to have told you before the game, he was going to scramble 11 times when there are only 12 pressures all game and run it 16 times. What would you have said? Yeah. I mean, listen, we went through this last year with every enemy where he kind of hung his offensive line out to dry and Andrew Wiley didn't have a very good day. He got beat inside clean far too often and a couple times he got beat inside when he had help to the outside, which is borderline unacceptable for an offensive tackle. But ultimately, you know that this offensive line is going to need some help. And quite frankly, I don't think they got enough of it from the tight end and from the running back. And I hope that's something that when this coaching staff goes back and looks at the film and they see kind of where some of these some of these caps and pulls are, they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna hopefully try and fix that. But for them, for by and large, I thought the interior of the offensive line did a good job in in past bro. I liked what I saw out of I was ready to be auditioned and caused me a little bit of a mixed bag at left tackle and at right tackle, they need that they need to help out under wound there. I mean, they he's at a point in his career where clearly he's struggling in one-on-one situations and obvious passing down. And if something that is this is the team that they put together and they have to understand that's who they have and you need to make adjustments based on that. And I'm hoping that close is able to kind of step up and make those changes. Do you think Austin Echler earned a little bit more than say, you know, get one catch for 20 plus yards and goes take a break for 30 minutes? Do you think he maybe earned some, I don't know what's that word, more looks, more touches? Listen, Austin Echler played a really big role of the past blocking game. And I think that that was part of the fact that he didn't get as many catches as he did because he was, you know, helping out in those situations. But they need to get a ball of him more often definitely. I mean, I know that they don't want the breakdown to be Jaden, 16 carries, B-Rob 12 and Echler 2. Because pretty much when Echler was in the game, you knew that it was the passing down and that they weren't really looking to run the ball with them. And I think you need to be a little bit more optionality with your guys and not be so obvious when a certain player is in the game. But big thing has to talk to Echler. Those two catches that he had, two of the catches he had, he took big time hits on and got up and kept on trucking. And that first catch for 22 yards on that little middle screen was a really nice play concept and draw up and executed extremely well. And Echler's pretty shifty link is out there in the secondary. So I like what I saw from him. And I do think that we're going to see him be continually part of the past game, but and hopefully a guy a couple more carries in there. Mitch, we appreciate you, buddy. Thank you. Absolutely. Thanks so much, guys. You got it. All right. Let's talk more national football. Abroad we go. We'll get into the games around the league in a lot more detail. Just the rhythm of our week. Generally as we do that a lot on Tuesday, we really dive as deep into the commander's game as we can on Mondays. But quickly here around the league, Lions Rams was great last night. What great theater went to overtime. Stafford back in Detroit through for 317 and a touchdown. Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions, though, get the last laugh. 26 to 20 N.O.T. They bullied the Rams on an eight play, 70 yard, David Montgomery power handoff fest in overtime. He went for 91 in the game winning score. Detroit a winner. Detroit was better for probably what 50 of the 67 minutes played. But you know, that furious comeback there by the Rams credit to them for doing it. And again, listen, it wasn't as if they scored a million points and were incredible. They scored 20 on the road to Detroit, but you have a priority, which is to get Cooper cup the football. He had 14 catches. That wasn't for 250 yards. Was just over 100. But still, they want Cooper cup down the football. You find a way to get him a football. Tada. The Dallas Cowboys have a way of opening the season. Well, and they did it yesterday double to Brown's 33 to 17. They were actually up 33 to 10 before a garbage time touchdown for Cleveland. They got the best kicker in the league. Maybe in this kid Brandon Aubrey, the former pro soccer player, or they signed in training camp last year. How does Washington do whatever that was? Aubrey made kicks from 57 40 and 50 and 46 was four for four in the game. That got the fact contract at a really good first half. And then basically took the second half off and put on a visor. They blew the Browns out of the yeah, throttle the down Cleveland looked terrible. Deshawn Watson was awful in this game. And that's kind of where it starts and stops. He has been awful for a long time, about three years running. That's the worst contract in the history of the league. It's certainly up there. I mean, it's proven out to be at this stage. He might as a good game in Washington. If you recall, really looked awesome. He's fine. Well, relatively. I will say this. By his standards post massage table, he was incredible in that game. I mean, like this version of Deshawn Watson, he was passable, which is incredible. Well, I say that in just suggested because just as it relates, if you played Washington last year as a quarterback, you were the MVP of the league. I mean, that's not hyper that's not hyperbole either. You four to nine touchdowns, eight interceptions, 105.7 quarterback rating, 4,600 yards. That's what opposing quarterbacks did to Washington and that includes like pedestrian games from guys like Desmond Ritter and a couple others. So I thought you were talking about when he was in DC for the Wentz game two years ago. When he played Washington, I thought that's what you were. Oh, I just conflated right. That was two years ago. Anyway, so my zinger sucked. Point is Cleveland was terrible. He might have played him last year. I don't think he played last year, two years ago. Okay, then. Well, while they were bad on defense. No, you're fine. Rookie quarterbacks. Yeah. Let's do that. Bonix atrocious. No passes beyond four feet. Pretty much. He's still through two interceptions, too, by the way. That was a disaster. Caleb Williams was a disaster in week number one, with a score of offensive touchdown. Caleb Williams was 14 of 29 for 93 yards yards per attempt. Some quick math here. 3.2 for Caleb. Gross. He also held the ball forever. He did the thing he did in college where he'd run all over the place and then flick a ball 50 yards minus the flicking the ball thing because he just got sacked or ran out of bounds or whatever. It was ugly and yet the bears somehow got up off the mat. They were down 17 to nothing. And with a defensive touchdown and a blocked punt touchdown by Simone Biles, boyfriend, they ended up coming all the way back to beat the Titans. And great will hurt thing. Good will hurt thing. The lines on his bat is the numbers, but the pick six was one of the worst plays I've ever seen. Yeah, early on, they were good. I'm sitting there. I've got, I've got my gloating text ready. August, Tennessee was frisky. They were the better team for most of that game. And then they fell apart combined with the the block punt for a touchdown. And then one of the 10 worst player. I mean, that's up there with the butt fumble in terms of worst plays I've ever seen. What are we going to call it? It could just be the heart thing, the heart to pick six. I mean, I don't know who you saw. I don't know once you go. This will work. This was like an M night Shyamalan movie. And maybe he could direct that play. It was so spooky that will add things starring will. I think that was so that please go watch it. It's the funniest thing. He's like falling down. And he he decides to like throw the ball. Like a, like a second baseman pitching it to a shortstop say like on a six, four, three double play the way Luis Garcia would just flip the ball over to CJ. He's on the way to the ground, but I don't know. It wasn't like throwing it to a guy. It seemed like he was trying to get it to the sideline, but there was a bears defensive back there in the world where decisions can happen in an instant, you know, like we're going to trailer. I do my bit where today is my day whereby tomorrow on the air, I will have watched every play of every game via all, you know, the condensed game. And I do it every single week. It's just football, man. I've not done it yet. So we'll have us could have had like a decent game otherwise. That's the play that I saw most notably. And it's just that one's tough. I'm not going to remember some of the early early game success. I'm going to remember the thing. Speaking of quarterbacks who had tough days, Kirk O chains, Kirk cousins in the Atlanta Falcons. I'm a little worried about Kirk Danny coming back from at least this was as bad a performance as I've seen from cousins in a long, long time. But he also just looked immobile. It's not the right word, but they had him in pistol or shotgun on every single play. He was never under center. So that tells me one of two things. Either they have a terrible plan because what he does best is under center play action, drop back shotgun stuff, excuse me, a play action pass, drop back game, or they're not comfortable with him dropping back on that Achilles or something. But he ended up throwing two interceptions, including one at the end of the game. The Falcons defense played well enough to win. And he just, you know, the offense couldn't get anything going really that you couldn't run the ball. I'm a little worried about the post Achilles cousins first game. Two things. One, Pittsburgh's defense is still great. And TJ Watt had one of those games. I mean, this is a good, this is when you are when it's like, you know, the comeback from commercial break, before they introduce TJ Watt for the Hall of Fame, you could play the highlights from this one, where he is. I mean, there was a time where they go, we've got to call a penalty on you because you were too fast. By the way, he had two sack fumbles taken off the board for penalties, too. Yeah, we're still at a monster game. You, you, you were just too fast. So we're going to, we think you were off sides, but we can't prove it. I mean, unbelievable. So that's part of it. The other part, here's what reminded me of it. Again, this is, this is one, maybe, you know, his health years of the year goes talking about cousins. Remind me of later career, Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan, you know, he never really liked stuff at his feet, right? If he had his feet set, compact the football, he'll deliver as good as anybody. But if you made a move around, have it when he had to reset his feet, he wouldn't get as much on the football and he was vulnerable. That's what it looked like. That first interception that cousins through was, there was nothing on it. It was noodly. And it's like, he thought there'd be some reserve of arm strength there as his feet weren't set and there wasn't. That's when you kind of go, oh, maybe he's not quite right yet. Maybe that'll change, but week one, not a good showing. No, there were a lot of quarterbacks, a lot of teams that didn't have them, including here in Washington, where the commanders lost by 17. Let's get back to the local 53 next. What was more discouraging yesterday, the offense or the defense, we will get into that and we can welcome your calls as well at 800-636-1067 on Grant and Danny. [BLANK_AUDIO] Week one, almost in the books. One last game tonight, Monday night football, Aaron Rodgers and the Jets. Let's try this again. Do you think he runs out of the tunnel with the American flag this time? Wouldn't that be tough? They're not gonna let him run. Just walk gingerly, keep him in bubble. If he has any sense of humor, and I don't know that he does, but if he does, when they come out of the tunnel under the lights on Monday night football, he should come sprinting out onto the field, waving the American flag. Just run it back to last year. San Francisco 49ers host in the game, 8-15 kick tonight. More importantly though, here in DC, the commanders are 0-1. They lose 37-20 at the hands of the Bucks. Tampa Bay did whatever they wanted offensively, 9-13 on third down. When you add in the penalties, of which there were 4 on third down defensively, the numbers actually skew way worse than that. Washington just 2-8 on third downs with the football. Tampa Bay had a advantage well over 150 yards when Washington started its final garbage time drive. Their receivers at that point had 19 receiving yards. I mean, there's plenty of blame to go around. The kicker, who they've already released, missed two field goals, kicked a ball out of bounds on special teams. By the way, the dynamic kickoff, you can't call it something like that you're asking to be made fun of, but the new kickoff, we had a kick return for a touchdown, and we had several long kick returns across midfield yesterday. Indeed, so this is the design. I know everybody wants to beat up on it and can't wait every time there's a touch back to make their Twitter jokes. The result is the result. I mean, we had plays made on kickoff class. I'm again, as a longtime fan of these various sports, be they baseball, where we've seen substantive change over the last couple of years, football as well, I'm willing to deal with a lot as long in order to get the thing. And what I mean is, I've got kick returns to be part of the game. Kick returns are part of the game. Make a good look as weird as it wants. Put seven guys on one hash mark. You can line them up single file. You can pretend to be a cloud sculpture or something. Whatever you want to do, as long as I get kick returns, I'll deal with it. What if they all have to sit pretzel style with their knees touching and then get up and start blocking, but they can't use their left hand. Everybody has to do crisscross applesauce until the guy catches it. Fine. Let's do it. Yeah. So far, I would say so good. But anyway, what was more discouraging to you guys? And we're going to open up the phones on this at 800-636-1067. Danny, you and I can start. Were you more disappointed in the offense or the defense? The offense. And to me, it's not close. Disappointment comes from expectations not being met. My expectations are met on the defensive side of the ball. I thought they'd be a little bit better, but not much. You know what? This was the worst defensive unit in the sport last year, and they're on their way to doing that again. Offensively, with a new hot shot, handsome dude with the deep voice and a flat top in charge, with the number two overall pick, Heisman Trophy quarterback, with multiple new offensive linemen, with new pieces almost everywhere, and they only hold over really from years before guys that have produced here, guys like Brian Robinson and Terry McCorran, for them to be that anemic. And they were all masked how unproductive they were by incredible running and scrambling from Jaden Daniels. Again, deep into the third quarter, more than half of their yards were on Daniel's scrambles. Not designed runs and keepers and ingenious things. Nothing was coming from the actual offense itself. It was, Daniel's put the cape on and see what you can do and lose your helmet half the time. To me, it was glaring, disappointing, jarring, awful. Respectfully, while you're right, they were terrible defensively last year, six of their 11 starters weren't here last year. It's a new defense almost entirely of the five guys that are still starting. Two of them are Doron Payne and John Allen, who I don't think you or anybody else wants to get rid of because supposedly they're outstanding, right? So now that's eight of your 11 guys. So that means that Benjamin St. Houston and Emmanuel Forbes and Quan Martin, those are the three guys on the secondary are the holdovers. But here's the good news to that. Gen Queen is a defensive back whisperer. You hired a defensive minded head coach to help fix your defense. And I didn't think he was going to be able to do it before the first game. So it's not like I am throwing in the towel, but I know this sounds crazy because we haven't dealt with this here in Washington in a long, long time where you would go out and get a defensive minded head coach and a big name, defensive coordinator that he brings with him. And then they don't fix the defense at all. And the defense becomes a huge problem and and just doesn't play up to its standards. That would never happen. But anyway, we're just having fun. That's all fun. We're just funny. Come on. Who's done? Who's done it? Who's done it? Come on. We're fun. The point of the news story is eight of 11 guys, man, are either John Allen, Deron Payne, or a new starter that they brought in here. So in a lot of ways, it's in Dan Quinn's image primarily. It's in Adam Peters image to an extent secondary, not ideal. I understand where we're at there. And the secondary really struggled, but it's it's not like the limebacking cord lit it up. I made Frankie Louvoo Mark. How many times you noticed Frankie Louvoo? Not many, man. Bobby Wagner, future Hall of Famer, missed a few tackles was late getting to a couple of things. Now I will say this. He's a wrecking ball. He's going to make a lot of tackles too. He had three TFLs in the backfield, but it's pretty clear to me from a foot speed standpoint. This ain't your older brother's Bobby Wagner. If you know what I mean, which stands to reason. So you had Cleveland Farrell, who's new. You had Doran Armstrong, who's new. Louvoo Wagner, Jeremy Chin, uh, the new version of quan Martin, Mikey Sanristel, who they drafted, told us was the best pound for pound player in the draft. And I like Mike Sanristel. I think he's going to be awesome. I'm high on him, but as far as Forbes and St. Jews, who were punching bags yesterday, Quinn will fix it. You know, they're going to be better with coaching. That was part of the expectation to be clear. We heard those guys are better. They're they're different. They're improved and you just didn't see it. So respectfully to the offense, which I'm not letting them off the hook. They were disappointing to the defense was so bad. And all we heard about was arriving violently in the secret sauce, you know, how we're going to play, how we play is not for everybody. You mean, like my eyes, you know, how we like pro football teams and want to contend how we play is not for everyone, like fans who want to see stops or once, you know, the other team punted once it's not for the opposing team's punter. I'll tell you that they'll get it right. Hopefully they'll figure it out. But through one game, I think realistically, I didn't think they'd come out offensively and look great. It's going to be it's going to take a lot of time. On defense, I at least thought they'd be able to get creative and mix some potions and and just look a lot improved. And we did not get that. We did not say that. They averaged 3.7 yards a carry. Tampa Bay did eight tackles for loss for Washington defenders. So I think in general, they did a good job against the run. Now Tampa Bay stinks at running. They're it's a long running theme for them. No pun intended. They're a bad running football team. But my god that Baker Mayfield looked like a Hall of Famer. How'd you like my guy, Buck Yerving? He looked comfortable. He's got a little burst. Buck Buck Yerving to play a little bit. Buck Yerving is a better runner. The football than Rashad, right? But Rashad White's a better player because you see me in the open field doing some things. We're trickulating with the passing game. In addition to being a guy that I really wanted to draft is Buck Yerving the name of the guy from Captain America? Or is that something else? Is there a Bucky Barnes looking for Bucky Barnes? There is a Bucky. There is a Bucky. Yeah. All right. Back to you, Danny. But yeah, it was obviously the passing pass defense. Again, last year, if you played quarterback against Washington, you put up Hall of Fame MVP type numbers and we're one for one with that happening again. It's all the same stuff, different personality as you alluded to, but the same excuse is the same reasoning, the same, oh, it's communication or whatever the hell excuse they usually offer when they get burned a lot. Tony Gonzalez joins us at the top of the hour and about 20 minutes. Jake Gruden is on the show today at six o'clock. Next, what side of the ball bothered you more the performance on offense or defense? We're granting Danny. [inaudible] Survivor pool. Dead already. Dunskey, Dunzo Bunzo. The Cincinnati Bengals pummeled me and I did the thing where I'm in like four of them and normally I protect myself a little bit. There is one where I had a second entry, so I'm still alive with the Saints and like a low money survivor pool, but I didn't even do the thing I normally do where I'm like, uh, just in case the team loses, I'm going to spread my money around in different accounts. The Bengals aren't going to lose to the Patriots. There's no way he said and then they did. I've donated some money to some great causes over the years, mostly in those survivor pools. The winner's cause. I, I, I do either do that or I do the well, I'll save a good team and pick another team that's a double digit favorite or something crazy. I lose. I'm amazing at losing its survivors. The best season three of Thursday night football is going to kick off in three days on Thursday night. Great game this week. The dolphins and the bills. Tony Gonzalez is on the set pre and post with the Amazon prime crew. He's going to join us coming up in our five o'clock segment just after the top of the hour, but right now on Grant and Danny, we want to know who disappointed Jamore, the offense or the defense in Sunday's loss at Tampa Bay, Kevin's in Arlington. What's up, Kev? Hey, fellas, if you're making it binary because really all three units shrunk to high heaven. Yeah, nobody could talk frankly. I'm going to go deeper. Let me lay it out. Danny, because I want to come back to you on this. If you just look at the investment, okay, we have seven first rounders on the six seconds. All of them played except Newton, because of injuries. You look at our free agency dollars. The biggest checks went to Armstrong and Luzu, okay, our defensive brain trust. We got Adam Peters is the defense of God. Dan Quinn to win. You look at our cap dollars across the roster, largely to D. And again, obviously some of that's because of the prior regime. But when you look at the, oh, we've got one first rounder and he's a rookie quarterback. We got cognitive studies a second. We've got Terry who's a stud who's a third, and we've got Robinson who is a third, okay. The talent is on the D side and they wanted to build the culture with the D as the offense would restrict you late more slowly. So when you have that kind of defensive performance, particularly on third down, shame on you. It was a debacle. That's why I'm so upset because we didn't get due to from the defense. It was terrible. So Kevin, I love that call. And I always appreciate you making it as always. Big picture. He's 100% right. Right. The fact that we're here with the defense that's had astounding amounts of investment, the first four first round defensive lineman over four straight years, then Jamie Davis and whatever it was, five and in six years or whatever the hell. When you're talking about first round picks on that side of the ball Forbes last year, all the guys you put together and the defense to be that bad with defensive coaching is beyond unforgivable. But I got last year's homework and I know you're pointed by it. It's a lot of different players group. To me, it's the same general ingredients, the same linchpins, the same stars. You switched out camcurl for Jeremy Chan. He signed that $8 million linebacker, a $12 million linebacker and a $10 million defensive end. And you didn't notice any of them. Yeah. I mean, to me linebackers, you know, it's a forgotten position to a degree. Like the salary cap says that the allocations do. Yeah. So we're just not going to agree. I mean, the bones of the defense to me, like I've already, like they were so terrible last year. I didn't expect it to be that good. I don't know what else again. There are three guys that were on last year's defense that played a bunch yesterday that aren't named Alan or paint who you didn't want to swap out anyway. Three. Eight other guys are either we agree on good or new. So I'm just to me that like, they suck last year. So they're going to suck again a little bit less of that for me and more hey, Dan Quinn and Joe Whit, figure this out. Most of the guys that are playing are your guys or guys that you decided you wanted here. Let's go to IAN in Vienna on GND. What's up, IAN? I agree with the previous caller. I think when you are talking about the defense and the investment, that's the argument. But also, I mean, we've discussed this at nozium that they should have fired an offensive coach, why they should do that, etc. And look, I think Dan Quinn is Ron Rivera 2.0 with just better phrasing, more charisma. And when you see this type of defensive performance, it's the same. And I don't know if you guys noticed in the Dallas game, that defense looked the same. I don't think they missed Dan Quinn DQ and their secret sauce and Joe Whit Jr brings a lot of energy. These were the same things we heard going from Jay Gruden to Ron Rivera/Jack Del Rio. The defense is going to play fast and play hard and play with intensity. And they were embarrassing. Emanuel Forbes is not an NFL player. He's just not like, if he was released today, I don't think a single team would pick him up. And I don't understand. I think Americans are obsessed with size and height weight when it comes to sports. European sports don't do that. But in the sport of football, if you're undersized as a safety and a corner, that's a problem. And we have, we love them, Mikey Sander-Strill, who people have overhyped beyond words when Nick Saban said he's the best pound for pound guy, well, he's five nine. There's a reason you can say that. And there's a reason he was drafted where he is. Emanuel Forbes, just not good enough. So we'll see him. There's a lot of football ahead of him. He's played one game against a pro bowl wide receiver in the slot in Godwin. So I'll go TBD there. I liked what I saw from him in practice, although that doesn't mean a whole lot because last year, I remember the rave reviews from reporters about Emanuel Forbes when he was a rookie at practice as well. But the Forbes thing is pretty clear and obvious. There's not a whole lot more. We need it. I'm ready to return the verdict on this one. Yeah, I got a total of my gavel flipping up in the air waiting for the bail to call him back in. The jury has spoken. I mean, this is just pretty obvious. By the way, the Cowboys number two in the NFL, this first week in yards per play, only the Tennessee Titans who dominated the Bears defensively had a better game than the Cowboys, 3.2 yards per play. So through the point, again, it's a small sample. It's too small a sample to make the declarations even that we are. But if your point is, they didn't look like they missed Dan Quinn and Joe Witt. For one game, they did not. That's true. Let's go to Danny and false church home of the Jaguars. What's up, Danny? Thanks guys. I appreciate you having me on. Yeah. So, and I've been listening for a long time. Love your guys show. But I would say both both the offense and the defense were equally disturbing and discouraging for me. You know, I don't know what type of defense they were playing, but it looked like the secondary they were backing up. It was a soft zone. You know, not, not very conducive to guarding Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, right? And then on the offense, the offensive line, I mean, you got to give Jay and Daniel's time through the ball. They didn't do that very well. And then you got to get the ball to Terry McClellan. I don't know what, I don't know why they didn't do it. Maybe it's the fact that he was on my fantasy team. Danny, why do you want them to get the ball to McClellan? He's the best offensive player. That's weird, Danny. We're philosophy. That means he should, he should be involved. Generally speaking, yeah, you'd want to get a guy like that involved. Okay, both strategy. Write that down. Where's my sending email involved. Now, would you consider his first catch with three minutes and 30 seconds to go in the third quarter? Would you consider that to be good use of Terry McClellan? What is no? Okay. What is no? He was targeted on a throw way out of bounds, which by the way, on that throw, it was kind of maybe predetermined, but there was a couple of open receivers on the other side of the field. And then the first play of the second half, I loved this call from Kingsbury, loved it. Let's make sure we protect. Let's get everyone on the same page coming out of half time. We're taking our shot and then he wins. He flew past. I don't remember who it was defensively on him. And he's in the clear. That ball was dropped into the bucket and camp over and over and over again. I know this because every time it happened, the commanders tweeted it out. Told you about it. We found out about it. That one was not though. It missed him too far. That could have changed the whole day. Different. The conversation is if Jaden did all the running around and hit a 70 yard touchdown on a deep home run ball to McClellan, just like that, it's a different ball game. So Danny, who has an incredible name, by the way, if I can just say that, reference this, the usage on offense is I didn't even address that as to why I was more disappointed in that group. But waiting on McClellan and waiting on Austin Echler, I don't let's not wait. Let's from the first minute. I mean, that's, that's who our bread is going to be buttered by are those two guys. It ain't no a Brown. It's not Luke McCaffrey just yet. It's not a lot of it is a Kias and it sure is bleep ain't James and Crowder who had a nice little catch in scamper and run. But those aren't the answers. You're two best offensive players that need the football in their hands are McClellan and Echler and they had two catches deep or two touches deep in the third quarter. Tony Gonzalez, the Hall of Fame tight end is joining us in 15 minutes at 5 10. We will preview tonight's Monday night football game in the week ahead in the NFL with him. Jay Gruden's on the show at six. Next, I want to do two things. The commanders have cut a kicker today and Kate York and plan on signing one. We'll give you the details on the movement on special teams for them on the roster. And then also, I want to get into this rookie class and how they fared in their maiden voyage. This is the fan. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] Grant and Danny live on the fan all over DC on 1 0 6 7 and Richmond AM 9 10 FM 1 0 5 1. We are streaming on video and crystal clear high definition on YouTube on 1 0 6 7 the fan DC's page. The exclusive sponsor of this shows the law firm, Kandorian Murad, they'll guide you and your family in the right direction by helping you to draft a will set up a trust or create a health care power of attorney schedule a free consultation with their estate planning attorneys at kmlawyers.com and be sure to tell them that GND sent you so that you can get a discount. That's kmlawyers.com Danny, the commanders lose 37 to 20. They end up throwing for 184 yards as a club 55 of those on five completions on the final drive and garbage time. So really, it was more like a 130 yard or so performance through the air, which we've talked a lot about. One of a bunch of issues, the easiest to fix or at least the one you can most quickly act on was kicker and they did today. They did that. Kate York has been released. They have decided to sign according to various reports Austin cybert who kicked in just one game and had two field goal attempts and three extra points last NFL season. It was a member of the Detroit Lions when Lance Newmark was there. So there's some familiarity with him within this front office. But the reason for cutting Kate York was not just that he struggled in week one. They would have had to send their seventh round pick that they traded for York to the Browns as of this coming week. If he kicked in a second game, it was conditional on the condition that York kicked in two football games. So by cutting him today, they actually don't lose a pick in that trade. So if he was the dude, they would have just kept him. But it was pretty clear he wasn't the dude. They replaced him with Kate York, just via a different name in their minds, I think probably, right? Like if York had been outstanding, made both his field goals and not kick the ball out of bounds and did exactly what they wanted on kickoffs and whatever else or however else they grade, had he been excellent and been dominant in practice as well, they probably kept him and gone through this. That said, he was shaky enough that they said, you know what, we could, we could fill this void in a slightly different way and maybe not lose that much and try to, you know, we'll keep riding this carousel. You gave a game ball way, way earlier today to Jamin Davis. We have not talked about him really at all, but even though he didn't play a lot, Jamin Davis had a TFL in the backfield that he blew up for a run stuff for minus four, I think it was. And he made two very noticeable plays in short order early in the ball game. His transition and defensive end is going pretty well, I would say. Now, whether or not he can consistently rush the quarterback and get home and actually generate some pressures and some sacks is how we're going to determine eventually whether or not it's a sustainable thing and him staying there and staying in this organization at that position is a worthwhile endeavor. But for a guy that was on the bubble at the start of camp that people were saying may not make the team, I still like what I see pretty consistently now between the preseason and the very small sample early in week one from Jamin Davis learning a new position. So I will give this staff credit in this regard. What are the things that's always frustrated me about bad organizations versus good ones? And this has certainly been a bad one for a long time is it's always, you know, this guy, somebody has to fit into what we do or let's focus on what they can't do instead of finding what they can do. I mean, my example is always the Ravens. They always find somebody where like Terrell Suggs, for example, slipped in the first round. Well, his 40 time was bad. They said, we don't care. We'll find something that he can do. And he's one of the best pass rushers ever. For Davis, there was a lot of struggle trying to get him to do certain things at certain times in certain places. It's not an insult. It's hard to do some of those things. If it's not what your natural skill set is, try and overcome certain stuff. He's good at not having to think too much and reacting quickly and using his quicks and speed. He's good at that. So put him in defensive ed. Now, you know, you play the Tennessee Titans of a couple years ago with Derek Henry, you know, running off tackle that way. You probably don't want to put him out there for 50, 60 snaps trying to hold the edge. But if the game is get upfield, young man, he could do that. A T is talking about the rookie class. Jaden Daniels is obviously the headliner. We've talked quite a bit about him and we're going to grade his performance and really dive elbow deep into Daniels coming up at five 25 about 15 minutes from right now. We'll both assign the first grade of his season after game one. But otherwise, Johnny Newton did not play still unavailable the defensive tackle. Mikey Sandra still had a very rough first game. Sandra still the nickel cornerback who we were told had a great camp. Struggled with Chris Godwin, obviously, inside at corner. But a couple of things that stood out. One Brandon Coleman played 14 of 59 snaps. So Cornelius Lucas at left tackle played 45 snaps. But actually thought Coleman looked athletic and pretty big and there was nothing noticeably bad there. That's encouraging. Also, Luke McCaffrey played a lot more than I thought he was going to and actually got targeted on and caught three balls for 18 yards. Nothing sexy from him, but he was pretty sure-handed, looked fairly physical after the catch as well. Did you think Luke McCaffrey would play this much? I wasn't sure how they would handle it, honestly. But second most snaps, I believe among receivers behind Tara McCorran. So I think maybe they value him as a blocker a little bit, right? Just a little bit more physical on the outside than some of their smaller guys. We know they love blocking it wider. And that's that was kind of my thought there. I thought you'd see maybe more down me Brown than McCaffrey. But yeah, I mean, I think McCaffrey's versatility helped him stay on the field in a few more packages as well. He's not a rookie, but that was the next guy that's worth bringing up at receiver. So much talk about the army Brown in camping in the preseason to the point where the hype was, is he going to be number two on this team in receptions? In fact, I had to fill out this little survey someone gave me about the 2024 commanders. And the question that I had the hardest time with, who's going to be the second most targeted wide receiver other than Terry McCorran. And I wrote on my days, the key is his name. And I crossed it out. And I wrote the army Brown. I crossed it out. I'm thinking Noah Brown. And I went back to and kind of settled on the army who ended up being targeted once and not catching a pass in the game. He was just completely unheard of. But he ran around a lot. I mean, I, you go back, as I said, I watched the old 22 today. He's out there for a lot of routes. And Terry McCorran actually, partially because of the go balls, or he ran, you know, the sprint 50 yards downfield, he missed a handful of snaps, which isn't always the case. A lot of the time, you know, he's on the field for almost. He was just over 80% to your point. When you're getting the cardio that he normally does, he missed, I would say, somewhere around like eight to 10 snaps or something. Yeah, which was a lot of two receiver sets where they use the Kias and Brown. Sometimes it was Crowder that was out there. But no one really stood out. But particularly Deami Brown, I thought he was whisper quiet. Absolutely. Again, I think the physicality to be a blocker on the outside is something that they're looking for and valuing. But I don't know how open he's going to be. Grant and Danny with you on the fan, please right now to get to talk to a Hall of Famer, a 14 time pro bowler and a six time all pro, one of the greats in the history of the league with 1,325 catches. One of the best tight ends to ever play. Tony Gonzalez joins us now right here on the fan to make some sense of what we saw this weekend and to get ready for the kickoff of the third season of Thursday night football on prime video. Tony's a big part of their crew at the desk pre and post. Tony, you're on in DC. Thanks for the time. How are you? We're a little bit bummed from a week one result here in Washington, but, you know, on or an upward, I suppose just big picture on the league, Tony. We're, it seems like week one of the last couple of seasons has been really topsy trivial out of unexpected things. I know it's a league that thrives on that, but have you felt that? What's your explanation if you, if you buy it? Well, you know, definitely I've been able to start the proof that you need. I mean, last yesterday was what is it? The worst, one of the worst, offensive outputs in the last 10, 20, whatever the years is what I was reading. And I think a lot of it comes down to these guys. Nobody plays in the preseason anymore. Back when I was back in my day, that's, that's what you did. I mean, you played in every single preseason game, except I'm really sometimes where the last one, especially if you're an older guy, but the third preseason game, which would be the second preseason game now since only up three, you played into the third quarter. I mean, you're getting your timing down, you're getting that rhythm down and everybody needs it. No more than, no more so than the offensive line. I think that has a lot to do with it. You saw a lot of, a lot of holes, a lot of deep vendors getting after the quarterback because you don't have that continuity. And then guys out there in the receiving, the timing, the game speed, you can't duplicate it. I don't care anybody's joint practices and all that stuff. You know, nobody's going to hit you in those situations. It's good, but it's not great work. And I think you're seeing that, but don't get it right. That's the thing about it. It fell. Give them two or three weeks and then no, don't start to hit that form and, and start to get that rhythm and that time it will come. And you'll start seeing the points go up. You'll see big games out of these receivers. Tony Gonzalez on GND, yet just to back his point up, there was some numbers unless the Jets and Niners combined for 672 yards in this game. It's going to be the lowest passing yardage output week one since 2010, which is going to break last year's output as the lowest in that stretch. And in fact, passing touchdowns in week one from 2019 through 2022, we saw 61 52 61 and 51 passing touchdowns in week one. There were 33 so far in week one with one game to play. So just a massive fall off in production to accentuate Tony's point here in Washington. We saw speaking of changes in the league. These starting quarterbacks scramble 11 times and run 16 times in Lamar Jackson. Both did that in week one over 17 games that would get you over 270 attempts that would make you number two in the NFL behind Derek Henry and rushing attempts last year, which obviously isn't the plan with the 210 pound quarterback. But what do you make of Jaden Daniels running that much in his pro debut yesterday? Well, you know, you look at all these quote unquote running quarterbacks. When when anything gets unsure, when anything is in doubt, they use their legs. And it's been something they've done since they played pop one of football. First I never put some cleats on and some shoulder pads and played the quarterback position. They're thinking, okay, I can always rely on my legs, easy. And so you put a young guy out there, pocket breaks down, not sure about a read, take off. And you have the ability to do it. And he does. He has the ability to do it. Now, you know, the first side of that is, you know, you might get hurt. You look back at the film, you're like, man, I actually have guys open. If I could just wait a little bit more, I think you become a victim to your athleticism. And that's why it's tough for these running quarterbacks to be a really, really good dual threat guy. It is extremely, extremely tough. And I know, you know, if I'm playing, if I'm playing with a guy who's a quote unquote running quarterback, I'm gonna tell him, Hey, man, give me some time. Let me get open. I can work for you and make it easier on you. But I'm not surprised by that. A young quarterback. He's doing what he does. That's what he does. But he's got to get better. You got to take that off the table for a lot of different reasons. It shows does it win Super Bowls? Hasn't overlaps, whatever, a long time, when is the last time a pure, like a running quarterback won the Super Bowl? It doesn't work in the long term. And just look at the March accent. You can be great all season, get MVP, but you got to be able to swing that rock in the pocket. And I'm sure he'll fall, but keep figuring that out. Great. Tony Gonzalez with this year on Grant and Danny. Tony, take wherever you want team player or anything in between. Who impressed you most here in week number one. Who impressed me most? You know, I'm not gonna be a homer here. Probably people are gonna say I am, but I really liked what the Chiefs did. I thought them going out after last year, obviously winning the Super Bowl and the weakness is your offense. And they went out there and got Isaiah worthy. Two touchdowns. Rishi Rice looks better than ever. He's gonna be one of the best receivers in the league. Malcolm Brown wasn't even there. I just think offensively and what they can do defensively with Chris Jones and McDuffie, Trent McDuffie, Nick Bolton, that they have that same, pretty much that same defense back. I know me is gone, but why would you pick against them? Why? There's no reason if they say healthy, that they're going to be even better than they were last year. The NFL, they're going to be talking about the three feet all season long, right? It's already been talked about a bunch, and it's just going to keep getting more and more. But they deserve it, man. That team, they look really, really good to me. Opening weekend Thursday night coming up in three days, prime video begins its third season exclusive Thursday night football coverage. They got a great matchup to the bills and the dolphins in Miami pregame coverage begins each Thursday night at 7 p.m. Eastern with a TNF tonight. Tony Gonzalez is with us on Grant and Danny. How about that game? You're going to be at, for the bills and the dolphins, Buffalo survived a big time scare. They needed every productive yard and moment they could muster in the second half against the Cardinals to get a week one win and same with the dolphins. They laid an egg for about three quarters. And because of their explosiveness on offense, they were able to survive in advance and steal one from Jacksonville. Both those teams, despite being one and oh, probably going to go into week two, feeling like they didn't play their best football. Yeah, they're naked. They didn't know I bought both those games. They did not look like this, but you thought they were going to look like. In fact, Miami, I'm convinced it's all in Duvall and Holland doesn't punch that ball out. They're going up. They're going to go up what? By 17 at that point, they're going to 24 to seven at that or whatever it was, 24 to three, I think. It would have been an almost insurmountable deficit for them to come back. Not that they can. Obviously, they got Tyreak and David Waddle, but that just changed momentum of that game. And that's what they needed kind of sparked them. And they finally came to life. And I think with Buffalo, the biggest thing is my biggest takeaway from that game is is they're a good football team. There's no doubt. I think they're going to be a playoff team again. Everybody talks about their window closing. I'm not convinced it's closed. I think I see it maybe starting to shut, but I still think they can go out there and make a good playoff run, especially because they got a quarterback like they do. My thing is, can they keep them healthy? That's my takeaway. Let's make sure that he doesn't feel like he needs to put the team on his shoulders. And he's got to lean on some of these other guys, especially his tight end. You've got a big time tight end, a Dalton Kinkade, who could run great routes. It reminds me of Travis Kelsey. As far as the route running and the smoothness and the getting out of the routes, they got to find ways to get him to ball to alleviate some of that pressure off of Josh, because Josh, I can't see him doing what he did last week all season long. It's just a matter of time before the guy like him gets hurt, which is the worst thing to happen for that team. Turn to the other AFCs team. The Jets in action tonight against San Francisco. How do you see that one going? And then how do you see that AFCs going? The Jets, I think that's probably the biggest anticipation out of any. But at least for me, I know it is for me, because of what we saw last year. All that hype going into the season last year, and then Aaron goes out there and gets hurt, whatever fourth player of the game. And so we've been chomping at the bit to see what this team can actually look like. Is Robert Saleh, is he really, is he a good coach or is he a bad coach right now? I mean, if you're calling him a bad coach, maybe you should be fired and you're like, man, let's say, you do when you lose your you know, your hall of fame quarterback. So really looking forward to see what Aaron can do with that offense and that really good defense that they have there. The 49ers, best team, the top team that won two to me in the NFC, my favorite to go back to both them or Philly. I liked the way they lost you as well. But the 49ers, John Lynch and Coach Shanahan, what they've done over the last couple of years, they continue to keep retiring. They keep signing back their key players. That team is ready. They're going to go out there. In fact, I think the 49ers are going to win this game. But I'd like to see Aaron go out there and play well against a really, really good defense. But I like, I was, I think just a storyline period. Forget about who you're rooting for or not. But I would love to see the old man go out there and play well against that 49er defense and put the jet in a position to win. Although I think the 49ers are going to take this one. Jets, Niners kicks off in three hours tonight on Monday night football. Tony, before we let you go, last one, I mentioned, you know, I think for a lot of us, when we think about the tight end position, you're the first person that comes to mind being third all time and catches a number one at the position. Seems to me like, and you can correct me and tell me I'm wrong if you disagree. But Travis Kelsey, Mark Andrews, you know, some of the greats who have done it in this era are starting to wind it down a little bit. Maybe George Kittle's the transition guy between the two groups. But there's another wave coming now. Sam LaPorte and Detroit might be the leader of the pack. How do you view kind of the state of the union at tight end at that position and who are some guys? Maybe we should keep an eye on that you enjoy watching. They could be next. Well, you said to those two guys, I think of the lead guys, uh, LaPorte, uh, uh, Dalton Kincare, talked about him. Uh, these guys run great routes. Kind of the position has really evolved. It's not like when I was playing where you got to put your hand in the dirt and three yards and a cloud of dust. That old school smash mouth football power running, running, um, triple teams or the blind backer. I hated doing it, but you had to do it. That was part of the position. So these guys were the flex guys and they, they come in just ready. Catch and ball. Last year with Sam LaPorte did what's incredible to do as a rookie. Uh, I like those two guys. I like Brock Fowler that watched him yesterday for the Raiders. He's going to be special. I think he's going to be a really, really good tight end. Uh, receiving he can block through as well. I, somebody that I've been waiting on. Uh, and I, and I think with Kirk cousins coming to the Falcons, Kyle Pitt, who had a thousand yards as a rookie, which is, I think he's going whenever to do it. Or since Mike Dica, he was the first one to do that. No, I didn't do that. Kelsey didn't do that. The regroup didn't do that. He did it as a rookie. And then since then he's just has almost fallen off. It seems like a completely different player, but he had a guy that I know very well then. He had Matt Ryan throwing him the football. And I think Kirk cousins could resurrect this guy's career, get, get him going it because he's a unicorn. Athletically 66, 265 pounds runs a four four can catch the ball outside of the framework of his body. Does all the little things that you want done out of a tight end? I think he could have his voice for a big year. In fact, I want to see it. It's kind of a make a break year as far as I can start for him, because that thousand yards I was I was back then I was like, man, this guy. Oh, this guy might be on his way to being better than all of us. But I like to see him get back on track. Tony, this is great man. Really appreciate the time. No, I thank you for having me guys to be good. We'll be watching you on Thursday night. There's Tony Gonzalez prime video exclusive Thursday night home for football. Again, all season for their third year now with the pre and post Tony will be on the set. Good conversation with him. Next, how do we feel about Jaden Daniels's first game? Let's get into the good, the bad from Daniels and his debut on G and D. [silence] I mean, I grade myself hard. We ain't winning. So, you know, I'm competitive. I like to win. But overall, and we're well, pretty well. There's some stuff that as a offense that we left on the field, we got to execute better. But, you know, that's what it's a long season. We're going to move on from this. That's Jaden Daniels post game yesterday. Welcome back, Grant and Danny on the fan. How would you grade Jaden Daniels in his pro debut? You can call us now. We'll open up the MGM National Harbor listener lines at 800-636-1067. I think I have to give two grades. One for him as a football player, the other for him as a quarterback or passer, I guess, is more like it. So, as a football player, when I'm taking into account 16 attempts, 88 yards, two touchdowns, 11 scrambles, getting out of some pressure, picking up first downs, the fourth and one naked where you got to the sideline, like some of those things, that's an A. I mean, as a playmaker, as a football player, as a rusher, two touchdowns and his debut. He's the second quarterback to ever do that. There's a lot I like about that. As a passer, I think it was like a D performance. You don't involve wide receivers. You can't really get anything going. Mostly everything they completed was around the line of scrimmage. And I'm not blaming him solely. I'm not sitting here pretending like it was all his fault. It's an operational issue, but the operation wasn't good enough. And so, as the QB, unfortunately, even in your debut, you wear some of that. But then if you combine everything, you know, the A and the D, you probably get like a C or a C plus or B minus or somewhere in that range, the borderline between the two. And that's probably where I am. I guess I will give him a C for his first ever game because he did some things that I really liked when it comes to making plays, showing his athleticism, being a football player, being a natural, you know, getting out of the pocket and running. But I'll just be honest, for me, from a passing standpoint, I didn't think there was a lot to like. So C minus for me, echo everything that you said. The reason I'm not going to get down even more is these non-slide head-barreling rolls, helmet comes off. We're joking about that now to stuff. Enough of that, whatever that is. Enough of that. So the explosive plays through pressure not getting home is great. That's that should terrify defenses. I want that. What I want is an offense. This is the thing I dream of, where no matter what you do, you should be afraid of something. You should know that you're going to get beat somehow. It's just a matter of me picking which place I want to beat your ass. That's not the case right now. They don't have that, but that's a long story. To me, some of those, there's nothing there to vendors or heads, heads return, boom, I can get to the secondary, start making some moves. Chunky yardage plays are happening this way, 15 yards, 17 yards, that one he tipped toe down the sideline was brilliant. I'm all in favor of those things. Yes, please and thank you. Probably too many of those though over the course of a game. Some of those need to be turned into big plays through the air as well, which Dan Quinn addressed. I think he will. I think sometimes with those is it's hard to see it when you're watching in real time and you see him get out of the pocket and pick up six. What you don't see until you go back and you watch is that potentially there was 18 on a throw or there was 46 over the top somewhere. Exactly. Or even if there wasn't anything before he left the pocket, if you are of the mindset, which if I could put a chip in a quarterback and I'd make a champion this way, I promise you I would, it would be the chip to, if you're Jaden Daniels, the ability to do what he does to get away from the pressure with the speed and that athletic trait. And now you just run into space and reset. That's what I'm, that's, that's the coaching point for me. Don't put your head down and run for five or eight or 11. Run into wide open space. And now everybody is plastering and just spraying all over the formation to find anywhere that they can go and you're resetting and throwing. And there were going back and watching the old 22 of his 16 runs. I would say at least five, probably as many as seven times where if you're resetting, there's something or, or before he decided to run, there was one play particularly where Terry MacLaurin, very rare, six times he was in the slot on the left. He was motion. The only time I saw motion the entire game, by the way, which is another gripe I have with Kingsbury. Just always know where Terry's going to be lined up. But he was slot left and Terry MacLaurin ran what was kind of like a deep post and he had his guy by a couple of steps. And it's not wide open necessarily, but it's NFL. It's throwable. Yeah. It is NFL open. If you're waiting for Malik, Malik neighbors to be streaking behind everybody by five yards, it ain't happening up here very often, buddy. I mean, if Tyree kills your guy in your two, you'll get that all the time. But here in these, these ports around this Byron Pringle, I guess he got caught already, but everyone else is Byron Pringle. Seriously, Jameson Crowder, like these guys aren't doing that. Look, the Caffrey ain't leaving dudes in their dust early this season. So that's open. And he turned some of those things down. And that's kind of my thought is that the running stuff was great, but I don't want ever to see what I saw this weekend where it's all you've got where the whole offense is the scramble. Yeah, and so, and, you know, and we're grating on what we saw, and I don't know whose fault everything is. And I don't know. We'll, you will ever truly know, but when I could see, and everybody misses throws every week, but that miss started second half to McLaurin. The first play to Brian Robinson. I mean, these are now 10% of the throws that he made over the course of the game that were either minus 15 yard glaring misses or, you know, something else that wasn't there. So, you know, overalls the thrower, not particularly impressive. I think I think better days are ahead in that regard. I'm still such a believer in the player, but the scrambling stuff and the playmaking when there's not much there, I like that a lot. I like the threat. So overall, C line is for me. Yeah, we're analyzing a game, not his career, right? This doesn't mean this is what he's always going to be. We're talking about four quarters of football in a small sample, but 12 of 19 for 134 with, you know, three minutes to go before they go out there, and they go down the field against the Bucks plan, soft defense. And he goes five or five for 55. And at that point, 19 yards to receivers, it ended up being 55 total of 184 12 pressures. He threw four times and ran eight times when facing pressure, two to one ratio of just tucking the football and running. But the beautiful thing about it was the lack of sacks. I did really, really like that. The pressures weren't often turned into sacks, which is one of the concerns I had coming out of school. So he's one for one there in terms of, you know, other passing numbers, if you want to look at numbers. And again, these aren't just indictments on Jaden Daniels. These are indictments on Kingsbury and the whole group. It's a team effort here. Average depth of target of 1.5 on completions lowest in the league this weekend. 86% of passing yards came from yards after contact, highest in the NFL. So you're talking about like the vast, vast, vast majority of whatever they got was after they catch because it was such a short throw, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it is a data point. 25% on adjusted completion of 10 plus area yards. It was one of four on those throws that was dead last among 30 quarterbacks, zero middle of the field throws beyond 10 yards, zero. There were 30 quarterbacks who have played so far, 27 of them through balls in that area, three didn't he was one of them. And like I said, one or two throws go differently. We probably have a whole different conversation. He hits that one pass to Terry McClure out of half time on a 70 yard touchdown. Maybe it's different, but you know, when you're completed area yards is 30 if out of 30 intended area yards is 25 out of 30 area yards to sticks is 29 out of 30 expected completions 29 out of 30. It's hard for me to say it was a great passing day. It just wasn't. And there's probably a lot of things that played into that, but we want to hear from you guys. It was definitely fun to see him make the box miserable run in the football and to see that he's got that club in the bag. And there's going to be days ahead where he's going to be doing that while hitting some big time throws. And that is the dream, I would say 806361067. You want to grade Jaden Daniels for his debut on G and D. [BLANK_AUDIO] Back out of Daniels with the key Ben is first touchdown in the national football league. And Jaden Daniels runs it in from two yards out for the touchdown, the first of two rushing touchdowns for Jaden Daniels. Welcome back, Grant and Danny on the fan. Here's an incredible stat. You're getting together with buddies to watch Monday night football tonight or going out to the bar at some point this week, you're meeting up with somebody drop this little trivia. This is great. Jaden Daniels became the second ever quarterback to rush for two touchdowns in his debut. Who was the other? And the answer is an all time stunner. So it's not Cam Newton or, you know, Robert Griffin or somebody was a great running quarterback. Let's go around the room. So you got Cam Newton. Yeah, I mean, I know it's wrong because that doesn't sound like a stunner to me. All right. Who do you got? Only other rookie quarterback ever to rush for two touchdowns in his first start. Oh man, you said all time stunner? Well, you're not supposed to know that part, but yes, it's gonna be some number that ran to right or something. Oh no, it's me. Oh man. Danny's on it, by the way. Who'd Danny say? He just said it's a dog. Oh, it's a dog. I don't I have nothing. That's weird. Kenny Pickett. Of course. There we go. Of course. Kenny. I did say number. But anyway, I just think that's a fun little bit of trivia. But the question is, what grade are you giving Daniels? I'm going to go with a, I'll say a C plus C minus from me. Do you differentiate like I did where I give him an A for making plays with his feet? Yeah, I'm talking about the football player. I'm combining all the things and my extra knocks below you are the head first diving everywhere, helmet falling off, turf in my helmet, earholing craziness that I can't have two shots to the head on runs. And moments after it was a couple plays after the broadcast, Moose Johnston was like, who maybe it was Coogler on the call who needs to slide when you can just fall forward. These idiots keep talking about him sliding all the time. Look at him. He's Lamar Jackson falling forward. He knows how to do it. Moments later, he falls forward. There's nowhere to go except for to get earholed helmet to helmet, almost like occasionally when defenders are on coming, that's going to be a bad plan and a bad strategy. But this was Jayden Daniels talking about his helmet falling off two times. He seems to be okay with it for sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, probably. I mean, I don't know, probably though. Do you like to wear your helmet a little bit looser? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people probably try to say there's something about that, but you know, I just, honestly, I'm just playing football back there. You know, your helmet is going to pop off. No matter what, if you got to buck it up tight or loose at the end of the day. Your helmet's going to pop off. No, it isn't. I mean, I'm just thinking and everyone gets so mad with comparison. So forgive me. But the other guy that ran 16 times this week is Lamar Jackson. Do you remember his helmet coming off? Like much at all in his career. And I'm not saying I don't, I just top of my head. That's not a thing. I know a lot of people whose helmets don't come off a lot. Yeah. I mean, my one of my best buddies played college football and this drives him crazy, by the way. Like he, his point is his helmet was so tight. You had to like work it off. He was the guy that had the big red. Yeah. And he had red marks everywhere for like the next day and a half. And he's like, he cannot understand it, you know, but I don't know. I mean, I didn't worry. I don't promise. Let's go to Judy and Gainesville on G and D. Judy, what grade are you giving Jaden Daniels? And what's up, I give him a, I give him a B minus, you know, because Luca, this is great. You know, hopefully he'll be making the throws. But I agree, man. What urged me that yesterday was that this guy was not sliding. And I don't, and I don't care how he was coming down. That just, we all don't want him to be RG three. But that was early like RG three, where he would run and open and then he'd either, he'd either fall forward or he'd get hit or now, in this case, his helmet falls off twice. So he's got to, he's got to start learning how to slide, you know, maybe pretty clear, Judy. He's not a slider. Like that's, that's not, I don't mean he's not an appetizer where you get three of them and they're a little tiny. And they're always really good. But he does not plan on doing that. Like he, he has a way where he falls. And same with Lamar is not a slider. He is a, he falls and kind of contorts his body. Give yourself up a different way. Exactly. But it's, it's the same thing, essentially. I give myself up to avoid the contact until it isn't until you get earholed. He's lucky, honestly, in that situation, he wasn't pulled by the, you know, the red hat or whoever the person is because he did take a helmet to helmet blow. The guy got a penalty for a helmet to helmet hit. Exactly. Now you didn't show any signs of it. So because he wasn't woozy, I guess they didn't pull him off the field. But that's now out of your hands and out of the team's hands. When you start taking any kind of hits, they might just say, Hey, man, we want to look at you. And now you're missing a series. And by the way, your backup quarterbacks out for a month. Anybody noticed that this weekend? Marcus Mario does on IR. So now you're down to your third quarterback. But it, you know, here, everyone's like, Oh, this helmet fell off. Don't be silly. It's everyone's helmet falls off. You goose. Don't you know that? No. Get a helmet that doesn't fall off. That's not a big ask. Let's take the straps a little bit. Give the equipment guy just just to pull a little taller on those, on the, on the clips. I feel like I'm talking to my kid or something. I'm just trying to help you. I'm trying to protect you. You know, you're going out on your bike. I'm just trying to make it so that you don't get hurt. I don't want to wear my helmet, but that helmet on pal, Derek's in sterling on Grant and Danny. Hello, Derek. Hey, how are you guys doing? Good buddy. Good. So I give Jayden Daniels a see. And I mean, obviously he has good running ability and everything. But I think the blame most of the money has to go through it. The offense important because it looked like there was no game plan. It just looked like no one's open, just took it and run. And that's pretty much what it looked like. It looked like there's no actual plan of attack. There was no actual plays. So it was just one guy's not open and just took it and run. So I just don't think that's a sustainable thing. And I mean, he's lucky that I mean, nothing bad happened. But if we can't, that's going to be the whole, for the whole, the whole season, and it's not really sustainable. And there's actually like no actual game plan. I refuse to believe there wasn't one. It looked like it. But my guess is they probably had a plan and there were routes being run. 11 scrambles on 42 dropbacks means 26% of the time when he dropped back 26% a quarter of the time he decided to take off and run. Chuck and centerville, you're on Grant and Danny. How are you? Hello, how are you? Good buddy? Good. Long time listener, guys. I just want to say I give him a D. And I'm going to tell you those things that really bothered me with, you know, if your helmet doesn't fit right, get one that does, it's coming off. It's popping off. There's a problem. And you know, if you're crossing the goal line and it comes off before you get across, it's not a touchdown. Other thing is this that really bothered me. He's got a mouthpiece that's hanging out of his mouth. He doesn't wear it as a mouthpiece. It's hanging out of his mouth the whole time. That to me is ludicrous. This is thank you for the. Thank you, bud. Grant and Danny talking now, Jaden Daniels health on the fan. This is, um, I'm not joining on the caller. Me and I are guilty of a tip. Yeah. It's now sounding like old guy radio where we're like, can you wear your mouthpiece? Can you wear your helmet? You can't have hair coming out of a helmet. It's not American. No, but but stick aside, like his helmet doesn't fit. It's flopping around everywhere. He's chewing on his mouthpiece. I mean, I'm, I'm in funny, Danny, grand day, grand age, Paulson, somebody just brought this up and it's totally right. Like a touchdown got taken off the board. I know it wasn't a blowout loss and we're not considering it or really caring about it, but he ran for a touchdown. His helmet came off and they have to blow the play dead. Right. Like, that's not enough for everybody. I think my annoyance is too strong of a word. Okay. But the thing that I don't love about it is just like the, the conversation on him sliding, falling, protect himself, whatever, there is a dismissiveness. It's not just from him. In fact, I don't mind that his area of it. Like, he's ultra confident and he's, he needs to believe his invention. He's the young guy that thinks he can fly too close to the sun. Right. But it's, it's everyone else around him. It's like, what Dan Quinn, I need to care a little more. Adam Peters, like the people responsible for protecting him and all, you know, the fans of his that are like, he doesn't need a helmet to fit. Who can you play without a helmet? He's tough. Go away with that nonsense to someone who wants to hear it. That he's tough thing. He's a dog though. Cool. That and five bucks will get you a box of donuts. I need a guy that can play 17 games and stay healthy. I don't need, I don't need someone who's going to prove that he's a tough guy and take on the contact. That ain't my quarterback. There might be a guy on my roster who could do that. Some fullback who's bleeding from his nose like John Richie. Every time he goes helmet to helmet with someone, my quarterback's not going to be the guy that's going to prove how tough he is going head to head with people. No, thank you. I'm good on that. Let's see what J. Gruden thinks. He joins us next for his first of 17 appointments with us throughout the season on Mondays on G and D. If your day sounds like we need to report ASAP. You deserve Mandela. If you've persevered through. You deserve this rich golden lager with a crisp or refreshing taste. Or if you overcame. Two more rings two more. You deserve this ice cold reward. Mandela, the market will fight. Trick responsibly. You're imported by Crown and Port Chicago, Illinois. 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