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Excited to talk to Armin Katayin, who's a great storyteller was part of the real sports with Brian Gumbelkru for years. Armin Katayin on the show, because he wrote a book about the state of college football and the business that it has always been, but is becoming more and more. Now it's in the light. Yeah. He will be on the show at five o'clock to discuss that. We've got tickets for the final time this week to see Kevin Hart. When he is performing a D.A.R. Constitution Hall, you want to see live comedy and a great venue in town this coming month in September, make sure you're listening. Try to win those final two tickets we've got right at four o'clock ahead of the blitz today. What's up, Danny? Hey, buddy. Let's turn home from school today. That's a, I get it. The kids have been in school for almost two weeks, so we should probably just slow our role and have a nice day off with the day I've coupled on Monday. Again, I want everyone to know that I am in favor of the thing I'm supposed to be in favor of and opposed to all the right stuff and I'm on your side and I agree with you 100%. I will say, if I ever wrote for public office, I won't. But if I ever did, here would be my platform. The kids go to school, whatever we got to do, people need extra money, people need more payment, whoever's got, whoever I got to talk to, those kids, they go to that school. If it's a weekday, we're going every time. Very few exceptions, right around Christmas holiday, we have a blue spring break. That was fun too. But we're going to go. It's going to be open and it opens at a certain time and it closes at a certain time, but we're going. That's the, that's my platform. But again, I agree with every one of you. Good day overall. Anyway, how's it going for you? Sounds like you're running hot today. Yeah, I came a little red bat. Yeah. I had a great time watching college football last night. I told you I was on my way to a high school football game when I left here, football day for granted. Got postponed and rained out. So I did go over this morning at 10 a.m. because there was no school to your point and watched a little high school football with my son, which was nice over at West Springfield high school today. But last night, I watched Colorado and North Dakota state, the buffaloes and the bison, pretty similar mascots, 31, 26 final couple of thoughts from your guy. Go ahead. First of all, Travis Hunter, who is both a wide receiver and a cornerback and is considered one of the top five players in America at both positions, rightly so, is an unbelievable talent. Now he got away a couple of times with very obvious offensive pass interference, which I really didn't see anybody talk about or acknowledge or care about. But it was very clear to me a couple of times either pushed off or the deep throw down the right sideline, uh, start of the second half. There was some hand fighting and then there was some pushing by one person, the most obvious push off ever. But that's great. He's really good. He also had a touchdown where he slung a guy to the ground back of the end zone, not called. Don't really care about that. That's not the point. The point is that guy is the best athlete on any field that he's going to be on this year. And I tweeted this last night, here's what's scary about him. I'm not sure that there will be a better athlete on an NFL field next year when he's on it, maybe Lamar Jackson or somebody like that, maybe, but there have not been talents like this. I don't remember anybody this side of Charles Woodson who could do it both ways. Champ Bailey, you remember, post Woodson 99, Washington drafted seventh overall to the University of Georgia, played wide receiver, played corner, a little bit in college, not to the same extent that Hunter does. And Bailey, even in the NFL, very, very limited capacity. But if you remember, at the end of some lost seasons, I think it was the Spurrier timeframe. They asked him to play on both sides of the ball. He caught some passes, was targeted as a wide receiver. You just don't see it, you know, it's like the show, hey, thing in football. It's too hard. People aren't good enough athletes just as great as you are to do that in college to do it in the NFL as a whole, different ball game. I think this guy could play both positions. I don't think it'll be a star at both, but why wouldn't you at least let him give it a try in the NFL early on to see if you could have him run some routes, take some screens for you, design stuff, but then also have him be a primary corner. Like to me, corner first receiver second, but why couldn't he do a little bit of both Champ Bailey style? The longer it goes, the more it's worth finding out. You know what I mean? Like he is exceptional. Like to me, the playmaking ability on offense is what it's easier to see. That makes any sense. He's he's graded higher as a corner as a pro prospect, which is fine, but I'd like the football in his hands also. You know what I mean? Like send him down the field a few times. Let's see what happens. Couple of couple of breakers, couple of crossers, maybe a go ball here or there. That dude is amazing. First time I saw him catch a ball last night, he ran quite literally like a seven yard stop route, turned around a little hitch, caught the ball, then he shakes the defender for what would have been a five yard gain. Then the safety takes an angle that isn't perfect. So he outruns him and he goes untouched into the end zone for a 41 yard touchdown. Now in the league, a little bit different than against North Dakota state. I understand that. I'm not sitting here pretending like he'd be a 1000 yard wide out and the best corner in football. I saw CJ Gardner Johnson, the defensive back for the Philadelphia Eagles take issue with Robert Griffin, who had suggested that he should get to do both in the NFL or try to do both. And basically, Gardner Johnson's point was it's just different up here, man. I get it. He's good. You guys are all fawning on him, but he basically said nobody can do it up here the way he's doing it in college. And that's probably true if we're talking about majoring in both and being the number one receiver for a team and the corner that's going to shut down the best wide receiver. I'm just saying he should be your starting corner and be drafted in the top five or top 10 where he's going to go. And then also you should give him the occasional opportunity to touch the football. And you can't just throw him a screen every time he's out there. That's a tell. You put him out there for 15, 17 snaps a game when you're an 11 personnel or you're spreading an offense out and three or four times you throw him the football or you give him a pop pass or you get him in jet action and hand it to him. He's just too dynamic. He's too good. Yeah. I mean, Dion Sanders obviously did that at the pro level. You mentioned champ Bailey, Charles Woodson here and there. There've been guys who've, you know, sort of crossed that uncrossable threshold here in there because they were that exceptional. And who knows? Maybe he's one of them. But I know this. Just a couple of things. North Dakota state frisky. That was fun. Right? Not a division one team, whatever you call, whatever the next layer down is the subdivision or FPS or whatever the names have changed used to be one double A. I don't know that. I know this. They did Colorado on their heels a little bit with a halftime lead and everything else. That was a close game. That was fun. FCS. Yeah, the football championship subdivision, but North Dakota state is really good. And I think if they played that game again right now, they'd be in that game too. The difference was Colorado's offense is prolific enough. And they just have athletes, the likes of which Dakota state does not. There's nobody to stop horn or hunter that just they don't have that, but North Dakota state is a probably a better, more complete football team in a sense. And because of that hung, when they were up 20 to 17 at the half, it was 20 to 14 with a minute or so to go in the second quarter and it ended up being a good game. Now to Colorado's credit while I knocked their defense, which was a borant, I thought in the first half, they gave up all of six points in the second half as late in the game after they were pitching a shut out. I think they held North Dakota state to sub 100 yards over a quarter and change. So it did a lot of things after halftime, made some adjustments are very, very smart, but I also thought the officiating late was weird. I thought North Dakota state shot themselves in the foot of bunch by continually bringing in their backup quarterback to do some Tim Tebowie type stuff. When Cam Miller, their starter was just picking Colorado apart early, it's not like you couldn't move either. No, he was good. Yeah. Like, please listen, I don't know anything. I'm not sitting there. I'm not writing about North Dakota state. I'm not covering him every day. He ran for 80 yards. Yeah. I saw enough that guy do that one, the guy that was 18 out of 22 for two 77 and who ran pretty well, that guy, not the other guy, that guy. Where are you on Shador Sanders who threw for 445 yards and four touchdowns? This is such a tough question because I know that he's an excellent college football player. I am sure of that, right? That he's doing some of those things like that one long pass he threw after what was it? 15 seconds, Keller Williams style, where he ran around, dodge seven people, pump fake four dudes, heading left off his side foot, slung it a dime 50 yards down the field to somebody. You go, okay. That's the inner athlete that everybody there at the college level, especially against North Dakota state, he's going to be a pro. I just don't know yet, but it's, it's fun to watch. He's electric at a minimum. My only concern, I think as a player, he's going to end up being a top of the board type pick. He's an athlete. He extends plays. He's a pocket pass. It's like all the stuff I love. He, he is a great arm. I don't know if I want to deal with the circus that's going to come with him. And you got Dion Sanders on podcasts already, I was watching a clip today where he says, we're going to Eli Manning, this thing, you know, there's certain cities he's not going to. Somebody asked what, what picks do you expect? Should or Sanders, the quarterback and Travis Hunter, the, the dual threat we were just talking about. It might be the best player in America overall, like where do you expect those guys to go? And he said they're both going to the top four, you know, one will probably go one. The other won't go after pick four. He said, but it's going to get complicated because we're also going to dictate where these guys end up. Whatever that is. I'm not interested in it. I didn't like it when John Elway did it. In fact, my dad despised John Elway his entire career after that. I'm not quite going to go that hard in the paint, but I didn't like it when Eli Manning did it. Like you just, it's not for me. And I won't like it when she door Sanders does it, but also just the fact that it's Dion. He's jumping on the mic after the game to talk to the crowd. People are referring to him as coach prime. No thank you. We are here to do football stuff. At a side show, the credentials from CNN, like whatever else, I'm not interested. So that that would be really complicated for me. He's got to be heading shoulders better than the other corner. And he might be, honestly, for me to be able to engage in the business of should or Sanders, but I think he's a really good player. I know that. Yeah, for sure. Like they are for good, better and different. It's like that old Howard Stern phenomenon where the people that like it, listen, the people that don't like it, listen, and everybody in between listens to find out what both sides are talking about there. That's what I've got going with Colorado right now. I'm torn. Like Sanders, Hunter, like these are unbelievably exciting players to watch. And Dion Sanders is drawing attention, whether it's good, bad or indifferent. I find myself not being able to help it. Like if you told me a team that's not the top 25 is playing an FCS team on Thursday night and I go, maybe I'll catch some. Maybe I'll watch it if it's on. That's not what happened. I every second I could that I wasn't dealing with kids or whatever, I'm sitting down watching that contest. That says something. Brandon Ayuk got paid as we got off the air yesterday. So we had Adam Peters on it for 15. If you guys missed that interview, we'll re-rack some of it before you're coming up in just a bit on Grant and Danny and we'll break down some what Adam Peters told us, but we asked him about Brandon Ayuk and the possibility of a trade. He basically dodged. He said, I'm not going to talk about that next question. It's pretty clear that the book had already been slammed shut that they were putting together on I you because it was a couple hours later that we found out he agreed to a four year one hundred twenty million dollar contract with San Francisco, 30 million annual average value tied with Tyree kill back into the top five highest paid wide receivers in the game. What was the most compelling thing about the story though last night? If you notice was all the newsbreakers that were on the text chain, chef turn our buddy Racini and some others, they right away put out that Brandon Ayuk accepted the offer that was made to him on August 12th, 17 days earlier that he said, no, at the time he didn't want to take. And then immediately after that came out, Ayuk's agent said, that's not true. So you've got the team clearly saying, yeah, what I wonder who told me what there, yeah, we paid him what we said. We were going to pay him. He just came around three weeks later and then the agent said, that's not how this worked out at all. Ho hum, much to do about nothing. Everyone's going to have their side, their version, their posturing. The agent wants the full amount out there. The team wants though. Yeah, this is what the guarantees are. The truth is somewhere in the middle and we had an odyssey, didn't we? Now it's not an odyssey. It's not an audible thing where you're going on a journey. It's an odyssey, an actual loan journey. Just to get to a place that made the most sense all along, right? Really good player for a really good team. Oh, okay, there's, everyone knows he's good. There's a huge contract offer. It's not going to be the one that resets the market. It's not going to be, you know, north of CD lamb, not going to be north of Justin Jefferson, but it's in that ballpark. You're going to be paid in that top five type range and that's what happened. Ta-da. Here we are. It was always made the most sense. My sincerest hope is that his social media shtick and all of the nonsense that he pulled publicly on the internet does not become the norm. That when players are in disputes with teams, they conduct themselves professionally and they don't do this childish emoji era behavior that Brandon Ayuk did and I tweeted this last night. And a lot of people said, well, it worked. Why wouldn't other players do it? It worked. And to that, I say, no, it didn't. Who says it worked? There's no causation between him posting a picture of commanders practice or videos of calling Jayden Daniels or tweeting at Mike Tomlin or any of the other crap that he was doing and getting paid. They both happened, but Justin Jefferson did none of that and got paid. CD lamb did zippy of that and got paid. In my opinion, he got paid yesterday because deadlines make deals and he's really good and the team's really good. He got paid because it's time to play football. Camp is over. The season is over, the roster is formed, and week one preparations in NFL buildings begin this weekend. And add another one for San Francisco, by the way, and their long list of doing it this way and getting it done. Now whether it's the truth is that's the August 12th offer. It's actually the August 17th offer. I don't care about that sort of stuff. Agents do the player does or whoever, but San Francisco multiple times over whether it's with with Bosa, now Ayuk, and there are a couple other examples. So Samuel, I think they've basically said this is what it's going to be and they've waited. They've held their cards. They haven't gotten desperate. They've been smart and you know, maybe taking some flack for it at times, but the players in camp are not camp, but the players in tow and they go and they're able to play football for the season. Yeah. And if you're Brandon Ayuk, it wasn't a net loss. I saw people beating up on him as if he didn't get what he wanted. You still got paid a huge contract. You're right up there with Tyree kill at 30 mill a year and you didn't have to practice at all at training camp, which isn't fun for a veteran and you didn't have to play it all in the preseason. And now you line up and you go to work and week one. Now I guess it's possible that if he shows up and he's not in great shape or he wasn't preparing himself, then maybe we don't see him until week two, but at that position, knowing the offense as well as he does as important as he is to the team, my guess is he'll be out there when they play their first game of the season next weekend. Right now, the publicly tweeting at Tomlin, the posting of photos and video calls with Jaden Daniels, pics of other teams practices, call me old fashioned or crazy. A, it's not for me and B. I really don't believe it helped him any here. I think that happened and also he got a contract, but I would just point to every other wide receiver that's been paid this off season that didn't do it that way and took a little bit less of a public beating for it, by the way. You can actually make the case that they were better off. Like Justin Jefferson, CD lamb, these guys that did it in a more professional manner. Now it also didn't hurt him. It doesn't look like or appear. It doesn't seem like it cost him money or cost money off the contract or something, right? It's not like they don't want to do business with him anymore, but I just saw people taking the victory lap like, Oh, he forced their hand. Oh, it worked. No, it didn't. Yeah, a lot less tweeting or Instagramming or tick-tocking, whatever want to call it and a lot more. The football season starts next week and he hasn't practiced yet. Like that's, that's more it and they'd like him in the full because they're their best when he's there, which is pretty intuitive, pretty obvious now, right? It was almost traded a couple of times, you know, there were teams trying to acquire him. I mean, this was not a for people that are now looking back at it and going, Oh, this was all much to do about nothing and he was always going to be a 49er. This contract was inevitable. I don't think so. I think there was a moment where they tried to trade him to the Pittsburgh Steelers, you know, that they wanted to trade him to what we know, the Patriots and the Browns, you know, where the commanders are talking in their close. In fact, Diana Racini of the athletic reported yesterday that the 49ers actually tried to trade a third round pick to the Denver Broncos for Cortland Sutton and if they could have pulled off the deal, Denver said no, that they would have shipped the pick, gotten Sutton, and then moved to Pittsburgh. That was kind of the two prong plan. They just couldn't get the receiver to replace him and that goes back to what you and I have kind of been screaming all along, which is they're a Super Bowl caliber team with aspirations of lifting the Lombardi Trophy at the end of the year finally, they're not going to take a big step back in 2024 when they've got a closing window to just get draft picks. They needed something else that helps them in the immediate season in return and they weren't able to figure it all out. So they decided 30 million for IU, keeping them around is the best answer. Yeah, there are a lot of teams that could absolutely afford to be a little bit worse this year at the expense of the future here in Washington, for example, they've given up to guys that would have contributed something. Who knows exactly what John Ridgeway or John Dodson would have done this year? Who knows? But that's more important to them to have future capital, future draft assets, you know, future young pieces for a group that's going to be patient. I know they hate the word rebuild and we'll never say it, but we can kind of look at it and say, yeah, that's what it looks like. Right? It looks like, you know, prioritizing draft capital in the future, even if it means you might not be as good come, you know, week one. He's Danny. I'm Grant. You're listening to the fan. 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They did years, two, three years worth of work and research it seems like and have relationships with so many powerful people in and around college football. It's just a really, really well done project. So we'll talk to him about the state of the union of college football before the big first weekend of the season. That's at five o'clock here on the fan. And remember at four head of the Beltway Blitz, we do have those tickets. If you want to win tickets to see Kevin Hart, the time is four o'clock today. D.A.R. Constitution Hall. Great venue to see comedy. I've got two heavy rotation comedians right now. Okay. That I've been like my favorite, a lot of content on Dave Chappelle's my one seed. And he does. I'm going to watch and generally love, but right now Shane Gillis is in heavy rotation. He's the guy. Yeah. I watched that show tires. He did on Netflix. Was anything good? I thought it was funny. It's not. It's not going to be for everyone. Okay. My wife saw it for three minutes. It's very vulgar. A lot of bad words. She did not like it. And then Nate Bargazzi, who's the opposite, I think he's pretty clean crystal clean. Yeah. He is as funny and smart. You have to be when you're clean, I think, as any comedian in the game. But those are two guys right now I'm working with. So Bargazzi is so funny. Well, and him and Shane Gillis actually both have this. They come across as I don't know anything. I'm just sort of out here just chatting with you. That is a guys. And I'm not saying they're like putting on an act like they're not doing what Dan Whitney does. Who's the cable guy. They're technicians. Yeah. They're not big giant frauds like Dan Whitney. But what they are is really, really, really smart and they're able to take these little things. And you go, I'm not sure if I should laugh at that. And then within seven or eight seconds, you are gofalling. I saw the story about Bargazzi when he was way pudgier, had kind of a weirder haircut. We did this show in upstate New York at a winery five. It was a showcase style. He was headline. He did he did like a 30 minute closing set. Seven of us did like five, 10 minutes or whatever up front. And we just were eating bowls up. You know what? Just shoveling the worst of the worst. Welcome back. Like Rodney Dangerfield. Really tough crowd. They're kind of snooty. They don't really like anything within a minute and a half. He's got people snorting red wine out of their nose, just and I go, that's a star. Now I know it. And he's done as much as you can do. He's been he's hilarious. A rocket ship the last couple of years, Adam Peters was on our show yesterday. If you miss that interview, you got to find a way when we're done tonight to podcast the whole thing is he was both courteous with his time, but also kind of fun through the ball around with us and we enjoyed it. But we asked him about the finding success this year and what his metrics are going to be, how he's going to consider this year a win or a loss. This is what Peter said right here on Grant and Danny yesterday afternoon. Yeah, I think you do get in a trouble looking too far down the road and so again, you know, you're probably going to get a radio show full of cliche here, but we're really, I mean, every single day, we're trying to get better and I think that's how we look at it. And if we got better today, we had a really good day of practice today. Guys looked really good. The guys were into it before we have a three day break before we get back and start working for Tampa. So we went out and got a lot better today. I thought and that's the outlook you have each day, each week, you're getting better and you're stacking, you're stacking up days and then if you do that and you get better each day, you're going to like what it looks like at the end of the year. So that sounds and even acknowledge this, just like the most football, cliche, yuck kind of cringy every day is its own day and all we could do is win today one and oh, whoa, I actually think in their case, that may very well be how they're viewing this whole thing. And the bigger picture point, which is actually I think the takeaway from that answer is there is no real expectation. There is nothing they've got to do or accomplish this year to consider this a win. They don't have an owner and Josh Harris breathing down their neck that they've got to go stockpile victories. Now Harris did say in his press conference that he did and there's maybe we could grab this if you could find it from Sunday night that he wants the team to be better than they were last year. He didn't say meaning the four wins, but he did reference they won four games. So my guess is if they win two or three games, he's going to be pretty upset and he should be honestly, but assuming you win more than four games, I don't think there's anything else they've got to do to show Josh Harris that they're headed in the right direction. And if that's really the case, if this is about development, if this like it is for me, is solely really about Jaden Daniels and making sure you found the guy or did your draft class excel is Brandon Coleman, a left tackle by the end of the year is Luke McCaffrey looked like a weapon at wide receiver. Did you find a solution for life after John Allen, who doesn't have any guaranteed money beyond this season with Johnny Newton, like if those things are yes's and you went five and 12. So what who cares? There is no pressure, which is a really nice thing when you're a GM and a head coach. But the way that materializes, in my opinion, Danny, is that each day you can kind of live the way he's talking about that cliche that most teams actually don't get. The Packers can't view it that way. The Steelers can't view it that way. But here where you picked second last year and you've been bad for 30 years and you got a new owner and a baby quarterback who just came out of the womb ready to play some football here in his first days on the job and in the NFL, yeah, you can kind of say, was today a good practice. All right. Then we're doing fine because there's really not that expectation. Yeah, if you want to eventually win the 100 meter dash, we're in the crawling phase. So yeah, if today we took our first steps, that's, that's totally fine. I think that's a good way to do it. You can look up at the end of a certain amount of time. How long is that honeymoon? We don't know. We talked about this all the time as the end of the Snyder era happened in the beginning of the hog ownership group, we're going, at some point, the honeymoon is going to end and hadn't yet for me. I don't, I pinched by myself. We have audio from Josh Harris, not on some phone call with a, with a gaming commission bragging about Carson Wentz, but just addressing the media like a human being. I'm not taking it for granted yet. Adam Peters called our show, called us each by our names, not that I matter at all, but just like the, the, the wherewithal and the emotional intelligence just to be a good human being, right? And, and, and speak to people on a human level didn't call you Dave, they got the shortcut. You want to draw a contrast? There it is for me. One person called me Dave, pretended we're buddies. You are Dave though. I mean, I am to a degree. The other person, the other person, don't me. I was the first time picking his book now, but I mean, come on, dude, like I'm not taking it for granted yet. Eventually we're going to say, okay, I'm looking at my watch. Now, what, what are we doing it? I'm not there yet. To me, it's very simple. It's a pass fail. Do we believe Jaden Daniels, do we think we have it? Is he good? Even if he's not good yet? Is he about to be good? It's not super clear though. So that's the only gray area that would be a hole in that because I agree with you. If Jaden Daniels is the answer and we know that at the end of the year, record be damned victory. Now, let's go get what we need around him and let's win some football games and I'll see you at the NFC champion. Yes. So my cop out is incomplete where if we need more time, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll do it again. But to me, incomplete feels like an L2 in a sense. Could be like, for example, if, let's say God forbid, he sprains his ankle. It's a high ankle sprained in, in week two. I don't mean injuries. And that's obvious. I mean, it plays football season long and we're not sure he's the guy. That's going to be disappointing. Fair. But I guess what I'm saying is I'm going to be talking about one where he's got to miss a season or he misses two months. Let's say he's hampered at, at a certain point or Tara McCorran has turf toe that, that keeps him from being effective. Like happened in the beginning of last year, wherever that was with his foot, a couple of different things happen. You go, what's really hard to evaluate Jaden Daniels turns out that Brandon Coleman ain't to do it. You've been left tackle and they're receiving court isn't any good or who knows there are very, very rare cases when you hear fan bases doing that kind of explaining away their quarterback when the quarterback ultimately becomes good. That's what you heard from Justin Fields backers. That's what we heard with Haskins here. You know, guys that didn't end up amounting really frankly, you overcome more, more often than not when you're good. Like even Josh Allen is a good example. Josh Allen's first year was not great. Statistically it was bad, but if you go back to the end of his first year, there were a lot of people like me who were going, did you see that throws this guy made? Do you see some of them rushing attempts that this guy had breaking to like it was pretty obvious he could play? I didn't think he'd be a top three quarterback in the NFL necessarily, but after one season he had done enough. And that's my poem with Jaden Daniels is I think if you're on the field for the whole year, you're going to show the thing. You're going to show that you've got the breakaway ability, the propensity to run for 800,000 yards, whatever it is, the you're going to have touch and accuracy and make good decisions or you're not as a passer. Could there be an incomplete? Yes, absolutely that there often is. My point is just to me, it's not like three categories where it's like, he's the guy I feel great or he's not the guy I feel bad. To me, incomplete gets filed into that one and you could still pull him into the other bucket next year. But for the meantime, it's almost like a binary. You proved it or you didn't. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, for me, I'm willing to offer more patience. Maybe I don't know what the right word is to be different. I don't know because I mean, I got to look at just you referenced Josh Allen. You liked Josh Allen coming out. I didn't. Right. I was wrong about that. You were right. So you deserve credit for it. But at the end of his first year, he had 10 touchdowns, 12 picks and you're going this. What is this going to happen? And in the middle of the second year, the conversion happened. And so I guess my point is if Jaden Daniels turns in, 10 touchdowns, 12 picks, 52% completion percentage, that's not what people would be excited about it. It looks awful on the back of a football card. But watch the games. Sure. Josh Allen. It's so funny to say it was an impressive 10 touchdown. No, but I'm and I'm with you. He did things that most guys can't do. And you thought, all right, we got work to do with this guy, but this is an NFL pro. You can build things around. And I guess that's my point. I would still offer that as an incomplete, but if you're going, I saw the thing that's good enough. I get that approach too. Well, and that goes back to like how you evaluate or view it. And I talk about this all the time. I just need to see the thing. The rest of it doesn't matter to me. I overuse my analogy of the scout watching the baseball pitcher. That is how I view quarterbacks pretty much. Story being a scout told me that he went to a game one time, he watched the first sitting of this like high school pitcher. He touched 97 through a really good breaking ball. He packed up everything he had, and he just called his GM on the way and he's like, I like the guy. We should take him. That's all he needed to see. He's got that. He's got the breaking ball. He's got a feel for spin. Like we can figure the rest out with a quarterback. I need the good stuff. I need the flash plays not once every month or so, but enough of them. And I just think generally Herbert did it, you know, burrow did it. You can tell pretty quickly doesn't mean it's gospel, you know, Griffin had some huge unbelievable moments and went the other way, maybe because of injury. So sometimes you'll get fooled. I'm not saying it's a hundred percent, but I do think over the course of the year, if he's healthy, we'll have a real good idea of what he is by the end of the season. And maybe more importantly, what Kingsbury is with him, what the fit is like, what that's going to look like. But here's where we should get to next. I want to ask you this question. We can hit the phones. If in fact they're, they're evaluating this as like this day to day. Let's just get better. That's success this year process. Is there anything that can happen that would lead to you being disappointed, non Daniels division? So if we're saying wins and losses, not the end all be all, not how you're going to grade this thing. And maybe you guys do feel differently. And that's fine. 800-636-1067. What would be your answer to the question of how do you define success? But is there something that could happen again, other than Daniels, not playing well, that you would say, oh, that was an L for this group, like if, if they're really bad and the draft class isn't good, or what would that look like? Is that even possible in a year where wins and losses don't matter to you? Grant and Danny on the fan. I'm focused on our long-term goals, which is I want to be elite and playing deep into the playoffs or competing for Super Bowls season and season out. And you know, I'm focused on building and, and I think this will be a better season than last year across the board. I think we're going to be now, obviously, the identity that Dan and Adam have been talking about, you know, of, you know, the team is front and center in terms of us being competitive of being, you know, punishing of competing at the end. And obviously, you know, obviously we, the record was dismal last year and we better be better than that. But like really, I think this is going to be a way better season for all of those things and a lot of the intangibles, Jaden, continuing, developing hopefully into what we think and all hoped it and know that he can be. And so, live intangibles and then you're going, you should see improvement across the board on everything, whether that, I've learned a long time ago in sports not to make like bold predictions, so I will not, this is sports and I'll leave that to the, the betters in Vegas and other things, people who are making better making predictions than I am, but you know, for sure, we're all going to have a much fun or time. That's Josh Harris Sunday in discussing what he would consider a successful year. I didn't take that to mean though, let's not do the four win thing, guys, you know, let's not go two and 15, three and 14 is spent, spent a lot of money, you brought in a lot of veterans. By the way, this is not a young team by any means. It's one of the oldest teams in the league. That's something that I think gets slept on when we're talking about rebuilding everyone says, Oh, they're rebuilding. What don't you guys understand? Okay. Kinda, I guess like occasionally they are and when it works out, they say they're rebuilding, but they also signed a lot of veterans to one or two year deals. And when you just look at the ages of teams in this league, they're one of the oldest teams in the national football league. The numbers I have were players with at least four years NFL experience. Dolphins have 37 Panthers have 35. The commanders have 33 tied for third in all the football. So again, that's usually reserved for the contenders and being a, you know, one of the youngest teams doesn't guarantee you success being one of the oldest teams doesn't guarantee you anything. It's just interesting when you think rebuild or think retool, recalibrate what I'm going to call it. It is a prioritization and deference, usually to younger players, right? That's, that's it. Listen, I'm glad Bobby Wagner's here, but it's usually a lot less Bobby Wagner, a little bit more, you know, sixth round Sam out of your name, that school to be your starting linebacker who can grow into the position. For me, it just means that they shouldn't be horrendous. You signed enough pretty good football players who have played for a long time that you should not be a pushover. You should not be a picking in the top two or three team. You could have gone the path where that was the expectation in the plan and kicked it 20, 22 Washington national style with a full on rebuild and a triple A ball club, but you didn't do that. You went out and you got Austin Echler and Bobby Wagner and real veterans that can actually play a little bit. So I think if you're Josh Harris and you signed those checks, you're going, we don't need to go make the playoffs, but let's not be terrible. Let's be better than we were in the wind column. And let's make sure Jaden Daniels is the dude 806361067. So the question going to break. Is there anything? And again, take Daniel's out of the equation, him being, you know, disappointing or something is an obvious answer. But is there anything that can happen other than Daniel's this year that would actually bother you long term? Yeah. And it's unfortunate related to Daniel. So it might be cheating if what I'm viewing as the simply easily correctable unforced errors come back to bite this team and something happens to Jane Daniels or he doesn't develop the right way or isn't as nearly as prolific and they're forced to just be, you know, Justin Fields like offense, aka if the receiver positions a problem or the offensive line is a problem. These were easily addressable things to try to improve and they did some, but not that much. And with cap space and draft picks and they didn't do it similarly, maybe not as pointed. If they're draft class and free agent classes are really unproductive and bad, like Echler struggles. There's not as much tread on the tire as we thought Bobby Wagner falls off age hits him at the wrong time, Brandon Coleman can't play left tackle. They've got to kick him inside Luke McCaffery by week 15 is just a dude on the depth chart. You never notice. And I don't think any of these things are going to be the case, but I'm just stringing some ideas together of bad draft, bad free agency and you're over one in both capacities. Now I'm feeling very different going into the off season and the honeymoon wears off a little bit with some of the people that we feel best about right now from a decision making standpoint. Things in Virginia on Great and Danny, what's up Shane, you've got to develop your players of every week you guys start improving and they're not just on the field, but off the field too. That's where it starts. You got to win in the office and then you can win on the football field. This is the first time that this organization has no drama that has any drama whatsoever in the office that impacts the football team. So that's number one. Number two, you got a leader out there as a coach that these guys are going to respect and I don't think they had that in Ron Rivera at all. I think they quit on him. And the initially I mean at least that was what everybody claimed right was how much they loved him and played for him. Remember that it was very positive and rosy with Rivera early on. Great, but he's a great guy and you know what they say, but I don't need a great guy running my football team. I need a football coach. I need somebody's going to get in the ice and make sure that they're making plays and got there. And like I always say, the Byron stage, you know, that's the coach for me Nick Saban. That's the guys that win. Look at the meaner, but look how much success they have. Okay, that's what we need. And I think that we finally got some number one organized here and we're and now we just stepping. So just got to improve. All players on this roster got to improve every week. How's the year goes on to your point Shane? Good phone call, buddy. That doesn't mean it's linear or like week one. You did this. So you got to be doing X by week two, but to his point in at a lot of positions, let's just feel better about the group in week 11 and week two. And it's not going to be this way forever. But in the first year of this regime, if somebody calls up and says, Hey, if there's no crazy off the field stuff, if by the end of the year, I like Dan Quinn, more is a higher and I like Jayden Daniels, more is a draft pick. And I feel really good about Adam Peters as an evaluator. And they went five and 12. Great. But those are the most important positions in the organization. Let's rock and roll and now let's go kick button the off season and go win nine games in year two. Go back and look at the first year of a new program here, right? For your data points. Now, the only exception is a seven and nine team that it took a team actively trying to lose in week number 17 or whatever the hell number it was from Philadelphia for them to get that seventh win and go to the postseason and the worst division in human history. That was basically a six and 10. That's a six and 10 quality team, but everyone else, it's usually it's four and 12. It's five and 11. It's six and 10 historically when you bring in and start your new program, because you're basically the first thing you're doing is power washing away the old. Well, they did that. Got rid of a lot of dudes that were here before. So expectation should be kind of tempered in that way. Who is feeling the heat players, coaches in the NFL going into the season that's next on Grant and Danny on the fan. The seasons may be changing, but the deals and the sharpest rides are unbeatable as ever. Hey, what's going on? 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