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[MUSIC] Janice 21, Browns 15, welcome to Talking Janice, presented by Seakey, I'm your host, Barbara Skinner, here with my co-host Justin Pennick, and it's sweet victory, it's the first victory pod of the year, versus those damn Cleveland Browns, that good, good defense of the Cleveland Browns, that bad, bad offense. Justin, it felt good, our superstar, our wide receiver Malik neighbors, basically won the game for them. I'm excited for many victory Mondays, where we're talking about Malik neighbors on the podcast. We're gonna break it all down, Justin, defensively, great game, we'll do all the Daniel Jones, you know, his game, it feels good. And I was worried that we'd be going down a stretch of like, when's that first win coming? Yeah, and it's here, man, so happy victory Monday to all who celebrate 'cause it's sweet, sweet, sweet victory, and if you're a podcast listener, if you're an audio listener, you know what I'm talking about. I feel good, man, that was good, that was fun, those first half highlights are gonna be on replay all week, and I really do think that was the best first half of football. And arguably maybe the best half of football that the New York Giants have played since the Minnesota Vikings game and since that playoff game, you know, back in late 2022 and early 2023, I really believe it. If it's not their best half of football, it's definitely their best first half of football. I feel good. The Cardinals game, but yeah. But I mean, even with that, like that's a game where they're trailing and you know that they have to throw the ball. I mean, early on in the game, they got, anyway, we're gonna talk about, we're gonna break it down. Really happy. I feel good. Even watching the four o'clock window and sitting home, I just felt like relieved. Like there was almost like a weight that was like off, off all of our shoulders. It was off my shoulders. But like, oh, we did it, man. Got the win in the column. And now quick little turnaround. There's a night football against a Dallas Cowboy team that is maybe susceptible. Let's go out there and let's win some more games. I mean, think about how it started too, right? You fumbled the opening kickoff. The first play from scrimmage, you gave up a touchdown. And then on the second offensive drive of the game, Daniel Jones, so it was an interception on the first play in your own territory and then, you know, gets, you know, the penalty eliminates that. But you're like, Oh my God, like, because this Cleveland Browns defense is really good. Right. So like, and you know, the Giants had a bad first two weeks. And the thing about playing the Browns is like, you just, you got to hope their offense gives you points because their defense is so good. Right. But their offense actively loses them games. And then we spotted them seven and like, Oh, no, this is, this is going to get deadly. But credit to the Giants, credit the neighbors, Daniel Jones, that defense. They pulled through, you know, resiliency was the, you know, the word Brian Day will kept on saying in the post game speech. So good stuff, man. I want to talk about Malik neighbors first. I wanted to ask, say this, we only do this minimum two times per year. The Giants get good and like maybe make a playoffs and we might ask you a couple more times. This is the first victory pod of the year. Tell a friend about talking giants. And I'm talking to you listeners right now. You guys are our family. You know how much we put into this. You guys enjoy the show. We enjoy that you guys enjoy the show and doing everything. It's very fun to do. It all works out for the season. And this is always like a big moment for us. The first win of the year is always, it's always, you know, feel special. So people want to, people want to feel good. They want to hear about their team after the first one of the years. So I ask you, I demand of you to tell a friend of the show. Hit those buttons. Share link. Copy link. Send it to everybody. If you don't have any friends, just go give a homeless person 20 bucks and tell him, hey, I will give you this. If you listen and subscribe to talking giants, subscribe subscribe subscribe subscribe subscribe. All right, Justin, let's talk about this game. Please, you'll be glad you did. It's so much fun that like I had a moment, Justin, thinking about Malik neighbors. And, you know, this guy's going to have a really good career. Like he's a star. Undoubtedly, he's a star super star in the league. And I'm like, we've only seen the first three games. It's like, this is sick. Like this is the first victory Monday where we're talking about Malik neighbors, you know, winning a game for them. And, you know, after the 100 yard game last week, like he had eight catches 78 yards, two touchdowns on 12 targets. He had two runs for four yards and one was a fourth down conversion, Justin. I mean, he's got 25 catches 270 yards and three touchdowns through three games. Like he is, it's not just stats, right? It's not just stats. I mean, happy. He had game changing plays all over it, right? Like here's like the key place in the league neighbors. The fourth down conversion run. They scored a touchdown on that drive. A third and five catch for 14 yards on the touchdown drive. The play that was my favorite was the 28 yard catch up the sideline where DJ's got pressure. He just throws it up to neighbors. And he just rips the ball away from Martin Emerson, the cornerback, just rips the ball away from him, right? A lesser receiver would have been able to maybe break that pass up and or, you know, letting them be an interception and then the Giants end up losing because of that. But he goes and does that. Then the third and goal. He even said in his press conference, when DJ the ball comes out of DJ's hand, so he goes, like his reaction was like, eh, because they asked if he thought he could go up and get it. Goes up, makes an acrobatic catch, turns his body, gets two feet down, bam. The five yard touchdown catch, which was a really nice play from DJ. And then what, you know, Dave, what's his favorite play was the pass breakup on the DJ, you know, league play where he throws, you know, gets hit while, you know, he gets his hand hit, throws the ball up. And he's like, Oh God, oh no, he goes in there and breaks it up. Like, and he also had a big play where, you know, DJ overthrew him on that slot fade. Like, it's just he's a real deal star. We felt it when they drafted him and then saw him in camp or like, man, he's just going to be a star and it's like, we're not being delusional fans. Just hoping for your first round pick to be a star. It's like, no, it's very easy to see as a star. And I'm not even entertained by him being good in training camp. I'm waiting for the games. The games are here, man, and I'm fucking entertained. You know what the crazy thing is, Bobby? If you're watching Malik neighbors for the first time, like during the regular season, and you miss the draft and you miss the Giants off season, maybe you're not a, hey, me growing up as a fan. I wasn't an off season guy. So I would be like, Oh my God, this Malik neighbors guy is a star. This guy's a stud. He's awesome. He's going to be great. Can I tell you something? That, you know, we watched so many games of this guy almost probably almost every single snap of him and Ellis, you know, at LSU or especially during this past season, you know, the last season that he had at LSU. You know, just breaking down film and breaking down the tape. We watched him over the summer in training camp. I feel like he's just getting started, man. I understand like, you know, this is a Jordan Ron on stat, Malik neighbors is the first player in NFL history with 20 receptions and three receiving touchdowns on their first three games in NFL history. That's he has per ESPN stats and info. Like you see him. It's like, Oh, this guy's awesome. And he is. And it's so fun. And it's awesome. But also knowing his background, knowing what this guy can do, knowing that this guy is the fastest guy in the field, knowing that this guy is one of the strongest guys on the field, knowing that we haven't even seen like that. Big breakaway catch yet. Knowing that we haven't even seen that big deep catch yet, even though the slot fade maybe could have been one could have been the first one today. We haven't even seen that stuff. And that's, and that's the, that's the juice of Malik neighbors. Malik neighbors coming out of LSU, the big play stuff. That's what he was known for. And that's what you fall in love with them. And Bobby, we haven't even seen any of that stuff yet. So I honestly think that this superstar play that we've seen through the first three weeks of the season two weeks, you know, less two weeks. We're just scratching the surface here. Oh, yeah, it's easy for him. Like it is flat out easy for him. And here's where I was really because I was actually looking at one day or third down stuff. Just to see because it feels like one day was targeted on third down a lot. And he is. He's actually targeted more than Malik neighbors. And I guess I can share both of their stats on third downs through three games. But so Malik neighbors on third and fourth down. He has 11 targets, Justin, through three games, 11 targets on third and fourth down. 10 catches, 140 yards, two touchdowns, three plays of 20 plus yards, eight for 11 conversions. You know, one of them that wasn't led to the fourth down that he converted. And the only play that he did not catch was the drop against the commanders, which is a fucking huge drop. But like it's money. It's this is why when the whole like, oh, you know, remember, we are mocking people on the draft stream. Like who's going to throw in the ball? Because it's like, that's not why you don't draft a player. It's because you don't feel great about the QB spot. And it's like, this guy's QB proof. Like he's a legit wide receiver and you've seen it. Like he is he like third down. You just throw to him, right? If you're if you're feeling pressure, throw the ball to him and he goes up and make plays and makes plays and he's been able to do it consistently. He's going to continue to do it consistently. And like, I mean, he's going to he's going to make a run at rookie of the year this year, Justin. He is. He is. I mean, he's going to help keep the giants in games and hopefully they continue to win some more football games. And if they are going to win more football games, Malik neighbors is going to be at the center of it. And that's without a doubt, Joe and he has been at the center of the last two weeks. I will say the thought that did like one of the secondary thoughts that ran through my brain today of being really happy with winning is that shit. We really should be two and one and how different with the vibes be if we're two and one as opposed to one and two be one and a what go out there went Thursday night against Cowboys. Let's be two and two. But but also let's let's talk more about this game too. With the MLB postseason upon us, it's time to explore those US cities. You always secretly wanted to learn more about maybe even your baseball rivals cities with booking.com. They got hotels, bed and breakfast, vacation rentals, resorts, whatever you're looking for, your perfect stay is with booking.com. They got some overlooking the stadiums, family friendly places. They have everything. And right now you can become a fan of any US city, even your rivals book today on booking.com. The official accommodation partner, Major League Baseball and download the booking.com app today. Yeah. Trust me, I think we've all had that like damn it, especially with like you mentioned the Cowboys losing. But you know what? If the Giants are a team that can win more games than not, then they need to overcome a week to loss. Hey, maybe the Vikings are just really freaking good. Some of the scoreboards over the weekend shocked me. I know. Let's talk about DJ and and then we can get into one Dale and all that stuff because I thought one Dale made a lot of plays, but he got a little overshadowed because of Malik neighbors. What do you think of Daniel Jones game? Like there was some really nice plays to neighbors and Robinson. What I'd like the most was his ability to avoid the rush because there was some, there was pressure there, right? It wasn't debilitating pressure and we'll talk about Thomas and, you know, what I think was his worst game since his rookie season. That hurts me to say because I was really looking forward to this match up with Miles Garrett. Um, but he avoided the rush really well, you know, one sack, um, and there was some, you know, like plays, you know, it's extending some time in the pocket, get the ball out, you know, avoiding the pressure. The second touchdown of the neighbors, to me, that, that ball was beautiful. Like go back and, you know, I'll share the film of it when it comes out, but they're in the red zone and they're in like a too deep, you know, red zone look and they run slant flat to neighbors and one day on this, not there at first. So he reads Grant Delpit and Grant Delpit slams down on Theo Johnson and DJ throws a ball with great anticipation over Delpit's head, um, and gets it in there. So you usually don't see stuff like that. Well, even the first touchdown to Bobby, Miles Garrett wallops him. Oh, yeah. He gets his Mac. Now the ball's high, but he still got surrounded. Yeah. Ball's high, but that's Malik neighbors. Like that's, well, this is why he draft Malik neighbors go up and make a play buddy. Um, but he gets walloped. Miles Garrett hit some minute and Malik neighbors is able to get two feet down for that touchdown too. That's why you draft Malik neighbors. So, um, good, good throw by him to get the ball there. Two touchdown throws, um, what I really loved along, you know, you said he extended some plays. I thought he was surgical. I thought he knew where to go with the ball. You know, hey, if Daniel Jones is going to be this a relatively mostly pre snap quarterback and still 69 to 70% of all NFL throws are made on your first read, not every single throw and every single quarterback is going through their second, third, fourth reads on a play. So, but if Daniel Jones is going to be a quarterback that is known for pre snap reads and kind of predestep, predestining where you're going to go with the ball, he did a very good job with that today. 2.41 seconds was the third quickest time to throw, um, of the weekend, his CPU, he was very, very high. It was the highest of the season so far. Um, I thought he did a good job of, you know, we didn't attack deep down the field, but also not a lot of, not a lot of quarterbacks so far this year are attacking deep down the field. You just can't hit a deep pass this year. Yeah. Like, like, okay, like, this, I thought this was a good game for Daniel Jones, especially when you consider the Browns defense, right? And the first, the first half is phenomenal, but I will say outside of, here's the issue though, there was two to three disaster plays and none of them came back to bite the Giants. That intersect. They got lucky. They got lucky. The interception of Theo Johnson didn't come back to bite you, um, throwing it up to Malik neighbors in the middle of the field when you're getting pressured in your own ed zone. Uh, neighbors knocks it down. That didn't come up to bite you. You know, I'm not even going to say the neighbors 50 50 ball because I'm willing to give Malik neighbors that opportunity. But there were a couple disaster plays from this game that could have easily defined the game for the Browns in their own favor and they didn't, and if they do define the game for the Browns, then we're talking about how Daniel Jones had a terrible game because of those mistakes. Yeah. Yeah. I like they. I'll never come. I will never apologize for getting lucky, especially the Giants have been on the flip side of that a lot, but like you said, they, they didn't have to pay for some crucial mistakes, right? Like the roughing the passer hands the helmet, like you, you, you're lucky that he hit your helmet. He luck. You're lucky that he roughed you and then good job on neighbors in the past breakup. And again, like there's other, there's other imperfections that we could go through and I, that's not what I don't think that's how you should judge quarterback plays. Like, well, he has these five mistakes, but he did, you know, look out on those disaster plays. And it was like, you know, short, average, death, Atari a quick step. I mean, the, my biggest worry is just there's been no accuracy on the deep ball at all this year. I think he's two of 10. One was like a dig route right at 20 yards. And the other one was the Malik neighbors, uh, play were, you know, he ripped the ball, ripped the ball out of his, um, the DB's hands in this game. So it's, I know everyone wants to have like a hundred percent perfect vibes off of a win, but they did thank God lucked out at this because I was not ready to live in a world where we lost that way. Yeah. I mean, it might have just quit this job if we, if those mistakes came back to buy this, I'm going to tell you something that I think you're going to, and I think in hope that you're going to be talking about on the film review a lot. And I think this was Daniel Jones's best friend in the first half. And I'm interested to see, I don't know if it was happening as much in the second half. And this may have been a difference between why the first half was so good and maybe the second half was, was so bad. I think pre snap motion and motion at the snap, but I'll just, I'll put it under the umbrella of pre snap motion. I think pre snap motion was Daniel Jones's best friend today, where that third and two to Wanda Robinson, Wanda Robinson makes a great play. The ball was kind of thrown a little ish behind the line of scrimmage. Wanda Robinson goes in motion at that play. Daniel Jones is able to identify quick because there's pressure coming in his face. He's able to make a decision quick. Get the ball out. Wanda Robinson makes a guy misconsistently first down giants. The second touchdown to Malik neighbors. I think there's somebody going in motion at the snap again. And that again, I think that is able to help Daniel Jones decipher. What am I seeing here on the defensive side of the ball? Help giving Daniel Jones some answers. Are they in zone? Are they in man? Are they going to bring pressure? Where am I going to go with the football? Because the Brooklyn Brown's and Jim Schwartz, you know that they're going to bring pressure if they're rushing for or if they're rushing five or six guys. And I think that pre snap motion that we saw pretty consistently, especially throughout the first half and in those positive, the most successful plays that we saw the Giants have. So all that pre snap motion gave Daniel Jones some answers before the snap. So it's a great job by him by identifying that stuff and great job by Brian Dable for calling it up to give Daniel Jones some answers to the Giants also throughout some tendency and changers from the first two weeks to this week three, right like here's one that they did run more of like their end of 2022 quick game type of stuff that they found success with. Right. And that includes sending five out or four out, you know, you think the first two weeks of the season, how often were the tight ends kept the block be under center? It bugged me. Like specific. I liked it in those, at least in the commanders game, because the way they run the ball, and I think they should bring it back for the Dallas game, by the way. Like Theo, Theo was into block 26% of the time the first two weeks, 8% this game, right? Tight ends overall went from 18% or 33% to 18% blocking snaps. And most of that was Chris Mann hurts when he's in and you know that he's not a receiving threat. 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I just tweeted the Giants are one of no game in games against. There's Tony and gay, Brightwell and I saw a picture. Did you see that Skyler Thompson's whole ass was out today? Nope. Or Tim Boyle. I don't know. Whatever dolphins quarterback that I've never seen someone's ass yet pulled out like that. I remember him a couple years ago was a waste on that. Yeah. This is way worse. Oh God. And that was bad. Yeah, it's way worse. Like anyways. Um, yeah, but it's but solid game for Daniel Jones and again, especially when you consider playing against Miles Garrett and those Cleveland Browns. We'll talk about the other one. Brown defense is good. Yeah. Really good. Like I've been in love with it for a while. I do want to shout out one Dale. Hell yeah. Um, for the plays that you because Malik neighbors had this game and the defense and the defense did what they did. You may not remember, but like he had some big plays in this game. Right. They had a penalty that put them behind the sticks second and 16 third into a second to 16. He catches a four yard pass and breaks it 20 yard play. Right. That's the game changing right there. You mentioned it before third and two DJ throws the ball four yards behind the line and scrimmage. Doesn't have much momentum. Breaks the tackle, right? That was at their own 15 on a touchdown drive. You know, they get the ball after the Malik neighbors or Brian Murn strip sack and neighbors gets a nice play. They throw it to him. He gets, you know, 15 yards and puts them at first and goal at the end of the half. So, you know, it was seven catches 61 yards on eight targets. Now the one non catch drives me nuts because it's like every, it's like, this is why you know, draft a guy with 1% on because he's so, because he's so small. Um, but like for who he is, like he's done a good job this year and you see he's going to have a lot of catches. Isn't going to have, you know, he's going to average less than 10 yards per catch, but he has done his job. I feel like pretty well in this offense. And the main thing is, all right, if, if you're going to be that guy, if you're going to be that size and be the slot option, you need to break tackles and that's what he did today. He's been making the first guy mess. I think that's been a consistent theme earlier, especially over the last two weeks. So, um, I, I felt this kind of setting up in the preseason where you saw some of the plays that he made in that Texans game. And if the offensive line is going to give Daniel Jones time on the second downs and the third downs because that's where Wanda Robinson has really made his money. It hasn't even been like this manufactured stuff. The average of the target's been low choice routes all day. The average of the target. I mean, it hasn't, it's been low, but it, but it's not like force feeding Wanda Robinson. Wanda Robinson is, is getting open. But I honestly do think Cole Beasley's type of route three. He is the one that is benefiting the most from the offensive line, giving more time because I feel like those are, those are kinds of the plays that are kind of like in that short part of the field where maybe he needs a second, a shimmy, brake loose. Um, you see some of these throws where Jones is holding onto the ball for feels like little longer than two seconds and it gets to the point where the pocket, that pocket could start collapsing, but Wanda Robinson's there and he's a chain mover, man. He's, he's a chain mover and he's coming up with some big plays and some big moments and consistently making that first guy miss. This offense right now, it feels like it's Malik neighbors, Wanda Robinson or a running back screen game over the last two weeks. And I know it can evolve like I know that like when Jalen Hyatt's on the field, I know he can be a weapon, Darius Layton, we know that Darius Layton is a good receiver. So I feel like this offense can evolve into more than what it is right now besides just Robinson neighbors and a screen pass out of the backfield. So I'm excited to see if that evolution does take place. Yeah. I mean, he's been their third down guy, right? You know, they on 30 plays with the balls been thrown on third down this year. He has 13 of those targets, um, you know, and seven catches 59 yards, so not the best conversion on it. No, like Malik neighbors numbers, but he's done, he's done a solid job. Let's talk about the offensive line. I was really looking forward to this game because I, I think Miles Garrett's the best player in the NFL, you know, and you remember the, the rookie year, Andrew Thomas, first Miles Garrett, we're Garrett was coming off of COVID and Thomas did it, did well that game, but you went back and walk, I went back and watch those, those snaps. I was like, Oh man, Thomas is really just a different player. All right. He's just so much of a different player, even though he had a good game in that matchup. I thought it was Thomas's worst game since, um, you know, the Cardinals game as a rookie, right? You know, the unofficial pressure stats were three QB hits and five total pressures are five pressures, meaning eight plays, um, it's, so I wish someone a good, I wanted to ask one of the reporters to ask Thomas about this, but didn't get to is like, how do you, how do you prep for a guy like Miles Garrett? Because what a lot of Andrew Thomas's game is like inviting the power, but Miles Garrett is the best at using speed and power all in one. And that's why he's the best defensive player in the NFL. Um, and Garrett got him. Now, quickly, luckily there wasn't these like, there was no sacks allowed, right? Yeah. Like the offensive line didn't allow a single sack. The one sack that they gave up that was given up was a full slide where DJ had to get the ball out and he didn't, uh, uh, but I'm, I'm now looking forward to playing the Browns in four years, or I hope we have the same division standings next year and we could play them. Cause I want the rematch of Thomas first, Miles Garrett. I mean, Bobby, I feel like in years past where if we said that Andrew Thomas had a bad game and it's the worst game that Andrew Thomas has had in years where we, we haven't said that. But if we were to say that, what did you feel like we would lose the game? Wouldn't you feel like the offense would, the offense would barely be able to fuck Bobby. We're talking about a, a first half where the Giants scored three touchdowns, you know, after allowing it after, you know, they didn't have their first possession via special teams fumbled it and then immediately gave up seven points. So, you know, score three touchdowns in the first half, what we feel like is the best first half of Giants off ends of football since the Minnesota Vikings playoff game. And this is all while Andrew Thomas is having the worst, the worst game of his career since 2020 and his, in his rookie year, that's, that's how I feel good. That's how I know that I'm feeling good about the rest of this offensive line because if Andrew Thomas is having the worst game that I'm imagining that the rest of the four starters are also having disaster games and that just wasn't the case. No. And again, I'm not sitting here saying they individually, you know, obviously at the walks film, but like Elman or give some bad plays like they weren't, but here's the, here's what you're going to have bad plays against the Cleveland rounds. Exactly. This is where it's different than years passes like, okay, they've had some bad plays. They don't have disaster plays like there was no disaster plays from the offensive line, right? Or where it's like three guys are losing at once or one guy's losing in the first half second of the snap and you're, and you're running for your life, but that's just not happening. They're working very well together, not making mistakes. You know, where there's blowing, you know, you're letting free rushes go where you're not supposed to. So they're doing a really good job in doing that. I also think that the browners were just selling out a little bit versus the run. I really do. Maybe this is just dumb luck, but I think table, the Browns actually, what I think put together a good game plan, but the Giants just play differently than what they did the last couple of weeks where the Browns were selling out versus run getting downhill and they did stop the run outside that last single Terry play, right, which is basically the Browns mo. It's like, if you try to run between the tackles, it should ain't going to happen, but they will get some runs up out on the edges and they're vulnerable on jetsuits talking about on the preview pod. That's what happened, right? They had the jet sweeps and then they had the long, you know, run on the pitch at the end of the game. Swing passes too, which I feel like those swing passes are an extension of the run game. I think Tyrone Tracy benefited from from two of those swing passes. So yeah, I mean, the great, great job by, I think Brian Dable with that, with the pre snap motion like I talked about earlier, helping giving Daniel Jones some answers and some looks pre snap and really utilizing that a ton, you saw that there was a ton of plays where the Giants were up against the play clock and they were trying to snap the ball. And that usually what happens with a lot of these offenses that run motion is that there's, there's things that need to happen pre snap. And then the screens and the swing passes, again, just giving Daniel Jones some answers in the face of pressure to get rid of the ball and knowing where to go. Yeah, absolutely. Um, so, so credit on that, like again, this is, we sat in the preview pod. I was hoping for, if this game was like a, just a below average offensive line performance, like not taking into account opponent and stuff, I would take that as a win after the first two weeks and then playing the Browns. That's a win front. Um, here's the one thing, negative thing before we talk about the, the defense, Devin Singletary hold on to the ball. It's crazy, man. You, you argue, like, you know, I talk about the little plays that you go back and watch and wins and it's like, you don't win without these. That could have been one last week against the commanders, right? There's a lot of things that go into a loss, not one play, but if you don't have your one bad play, there's a chance the Giants end up winning that game and they're two on one right now. And that could have been the difference in this game. Like stop fumbling the ball. I saw people looking up his fumble stats and they are really bad. I think he's like has the most fumbles in the NFL since he was drafted in the 2019. You can't do that, man. Like you, it's fumbling is one of the worst things I feel like to analyze because it's just like stop. Just stop doing it. It's like what drops. It's like what drops and why receiver drops. Yeah, he's had fifth. This is his 16th fumble in his career. You only had one last year, then he had three, five, one, and four the years before. What makes it worse too is that Devin Singletary is doing this on drive. The first drive out of the out of the second half, and I feel like that the Giants just, the Giants have not been a good first quarter team. They've not been a good team that gets off the fast starts. And then even like there's an opportunity against the commanders last week where the Giants have a lead and then they could, they could expand upon that lead. And then it was the same thing here where the score was 21 to seven and the Giants force a punt for the Browns. And then there's a 17 yard play to Daniel Bellinger on first and 10. I'm like, holy shit, this is, this is just going to keep going. We're not going to be conservative. And then there's a four yard pass to Malik neighbors. So it's like, okay, a successful first down play. Let's keep it going. Second and six Devin Singletary fumble on the Giants 39 yard line when you're looking across the 50 yard line and you know, you make this a 24 seven game or a 28, a 28 seven game. The game is basically over in the third quarter. Instead that fumble kind of kept them around, kept them around and then the Giants stutter on offense the whole second half. Yeah, man, it's, it's not great. And that's, that's the analysis. It's not great. Get, get Tiki Barber in here. Get Tiki Barber. At Tiki's a friend of the show. Let's tweet at him. Instagram comment on like, tell Devin Singletary to stop bumbling the ball. Quest Diagnostics Training Center, Tiki Barber, 10 30 AM meet Devin Singletary on the 40 yard line before before you got to go to Evan and Tiki at a, at 2 30 in the afternoon. Let's stop bumbling the damn ball. Let's do that. Let's, let's make that meeting happen. Pardon me. Wish you would have scored at the end just because I want, I want the stats. I, I like stat stuffing, but it was the right decision. It was the right decision. I, I, I also would have loved to get close to 28 points. Yeah. I would have liked that too. And if we make the field will open a three point game, instead you guys have to go and F it up. Um, good job offense. Yeah. Justin, let's talk about the defense before that. Why don't you talk to us about something? I, I want to ask you one more question on the offense, um, but before, but I do want to talk about something and then you get asked me the question that's called a teaser in the business. Talk it. Let's talk to you about Captain Morgan. This episode, this game recap episode, it's the first episode that Captain Morgan's been part of where we're talking about a giant's regular season. We get excited, boom, boom, boom. This episode was brought to you by Captain Morgan, the official spice, the rum sponsor of the NFL. This NFL season need the right players in the game. 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We've talked about the Giants first half offense, first half offense, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun. They were not fun. This is second half. They didn't score a single second half, second half point. They missed the field goal. So the Giants went four for seven on third downs in the first half. They went over seven on third downs in the second half. And I initially thought that it was just Brian Dable getting really conservative and running the ball and running the ball. Not at all. Honestly, there was just a lot of incompletions on early down. So do you have any thoughts before you watch the film and before you get to the film review? Do you have any thoughts on the Giants discrepancy of offensive success in the first half to the second half? Yeah, I don't have like this is exactly what happened, but like like here's how those seven drives in a fumble. That's bad, right? Then you have the two deep passes to neighbors on first and second down. The first one's a missed second one, corner makes a good play. And then you have the sack on the second and eight, then you run and complete and complete then the holding penalty on Bellinger, which that should drive me nuts. Bellinger just kicked his ass and they call it a penalty. Yeah, he can't call a holding penalty because somebody doesn't ask you. He goes a flop to in my opinion. Yeah, he did flop. And then they go pass, pass, pass, and they don't get it. Then the next one, they go pass, run first down, pass, pass, pass, and then they missed the field goal. That's the end. So then that one where they just ran, I, I, I agreed with that, like just run the clock out, kick a field goal. So it's basically six drives where they didn't do it. And you have like some misses. They put ward on neighbors a little bit more, which, you know, wards a real deal corner. I don't have the exact reason why besides it just like kind of like lack of, I mean lack of execution. Yeah, I will say that's where not having an offense that isn't very explosive right now where it is hurt because that, that explosive Malik neighbors play. I feel like that's a 20 yard play and, you know, the odds of you scoring when you get a 20 plus yard play on a drive, it increases exponentially. So that's, that's where that hurts. Yeah. Let's talk about the defense. How about that? Hell yeah. John is blitzed. They whipped ass. They had eight sacks, four QB hits, 19 pressures total for the team. I mean, they brought it, right? You know, for Shane Bowen being the don't blitz guy, which he doesn't blitz, he, I can blitz in this game. They blitz over 50% of the time versus the Browns Justin and Watson sucks. That's the other thing. Watson just sucks. Um, but hey, when you play quarterback's that sock, don't make it easy for them. But Watson versus the blitz was seven of 18, 80 yards, one touchdown, then was sacked five times. They just brought it with different looks. They were stunting guys up front and that's the other thing. The Browns Oh lunch is banged up and awful. So they were having miscommunications and just guys flat out losing. But it, I mean, it starts with Dexter Lawrence and he was unblockable once again. He had two sacks, two hits and four pressures. I mean, as good as the total numbers were, he was over 25% of their pass rush production. Right. Like you think about all the guys that got in on it, Justin, yeah, Dexter Lawrence was still over 25% of that. Well, that's what we, that's what we expect, right? You know that James Franco meme where they're all about to get hung with ropes around their necks. Yes, I do know that meme where I felt like James Franco telling the people next to me. Hey, first time where the Browns have guards up that are playing tackles and they're down to their third stringers and again, people playing out of position. It's like, Hey, first time, yeah, I'm not, I, I ain't feeling bad for you motherfuckers after what I went through last year. Yeah, man. So here let's, let's go through the sacks. And this is according to the NFL game book, the Giants had eight sacks. Dexter Lawrence had two of them. Elijah Chapman, Azizo, Jalari, Brian Burns and Jason Pinnock all had one cave on tibido, Bobby O'Karrick. Not show. Mike McFadden all had half a sack. And according to Doug analytics, this is a fun one. The Giants defense recorded 17 QB hits against the Sean Watson and the Browns. It's tied for the second most of the game since 1999. Three games have 18 QB hits and the Brown, the Cowboys also recorded 17 hits against the Browns in week one. So between the offensive line issues and to show them Watson being a statue, the Cleveland Browns are going through it right now, but I'm happy that the Giants very much took advantage of it. It kind of feels like they could have taken advantage of it even more to be honest, but that's, that's pretty damn good. Oh, dude, there was, there was some cool looks they did. There's a play. There's a third down that I want to bring up. I'm going to do a film breakdown on once, once the film's up, Justin. Um, in fact, I might have you do it because you have the plus premium. You gotta find it. It's going to be up. I'm going to get up at six. I am. The film is going to be there. I'm going to ask you. Send me that play. Um, but it's, it's the panic third down. It's Jason Pinnock sack on third down. It's really is a great design. So they motion the tight end and Pinnock falls him across the formation like he's in man coverage, right? Falls across the formation like he's in man coverage. Tyler Neubens deep. Dane Bellton's in at that dime linebacker. Right. So they say, okay, that's man coverage. We're not worried about that guy as a rusher, but he's right next to the deep, the left tackle, basically, you know, they got a four, four guys down instead, Pinnock actually blitzes. Right. So they're not accounting for him blitzing. So he's a free rusher. You have, uh, they play man coverage. Then comes down and takes on Jason Pinnock, uh, receiver and man coverage and then Dane Bellton bales to the middle of the field to play cover one and they, you know, Pinnock gets that sack. Like a lot of it was just being better than them, right? There's going to be some school, cool scheme stuff that I'll highlight, but a lot of it was simply them being better. Like they did well in man coverage. We'll talk about the times where they weren't the Auntie Banks and Cordell Flaw. Um, and then they got after the passer, right? They won their one on once. They stunted them a lot, but they did throw a lot of blitzes at them and they got home. You know, Brian, you know, Brian Burns have the strip sack that, you know, led to seven at the end of the half. That's a game changing play. That's what you get him for. That's what you need consistently out of Brian Burns. Don't need to strip sack every time Brian cave on typically had wins and created for others. Um, and then, you know, like the guys up front one and the blitzes got home, like the non edge D line guys, the guys who blitzed, they had three, six, two hits and, and five and five pressures. Right. So they accounted for, you know, almost a third of the pressure. How about a Z's Ojallari? What a, he's in the backfield that on run plays and he could still bend the edge. He's in, he's in the backfield on a lot of these sacks and QB hits and negative plays that the Giants had. So I was, I was even happy for a Z's Ojallari as much as Brian Burns is going to get the headlines and rightfully so. I mean, that, that, that strip sack that he had is just give me that shit where he's just, he just grabs his arms, attacks the shoulders of the Sean Watson and he goes flying man. It's, it was like, they're throwing him around like a rag doll. So that's all some stuff. This is, this is what, you know, you grow up watching giants football. This is, this is what it's about. Yeah. Dexta Lawrence just being the presence that he is from the interior just changes everything. Cause that's, that's giants have not had somebody like that and like in their, like kind of in their history. Hey, I'm sorry. You know, I'm sorry. I haven't had the greatest nose tackle ever in their history. No, they have not. They, they have not. So it just changes everything. So cool to see. I love it. I want more, more. Yeah. So what will be interesting is when they face a good QB this week in Dak Prescott. Because that's when it gets different because it's like to Sean Watson's off, right? And guys didn't win versus man coverage. And when they did, they, they've lost for the most part. Um, or the giant legend, you know, the giants had some losses there. We'll talk about the Anthony Banks in a minute. Ah, that's when it really sees like, are you willing to play like this versus Dak Prescott? Because I feel like you should, because you don't have the, and that's the other thing, like the run defense, right? Like they held their running backs to 42 yards on 12 carries. Why the Browns only handed the ball off 12 times? Another thing that's kind of surprising. I don't care what the score was. Probably should have had more handle. This is, this is what they've done with the Sean Watson. This is just what they've done. And the other thing is they just can't, but they can't block like they just like sit there. Their offensive line isn't very good. Will's gets injured. Conklin was out. You know, they, why teller got injured. They're putting Latino at left tackle. Like it was a mess, but the giants took advantage of that mess. Um, you know, Elijah Chapman got involved as a pastor. How do you like that? That was a, that was, a legit sack. Good for him. Yeah. He had, he had other plays too. Like he, he was actually making plays as a pass rusher. It wasn't just the sack play. Um, so it was just everybody was getting involved in it. But you, you, we need to see that more consistently out of that group because that's how the giants can win game with the back end that they have. But credit to Shane showing bone for blitzing, actually throwing some disguise looks and not just little, you know, basic safety rotation stuff, which was the gripe after the first two games. They actually threw a lot at the Sean Watson, which is what you should have done the last week versus the commanders instead of, you know, just hoping they'd screen until, until they got off the field. That's what they did and they went after, but I'm excited to break down some defensive film this week. So I'm of the belief and I'm of the opinion that you have Mike McFadden. That's an aggressive linebacker. Bobby O'Kara can, can get after it too. You have a guy like Isaiah Simmons, who, you know, when he's out there, you know, he can get after it as a, as a blitz or two. I feel like with this front, I feel like if you're going to be asking. cave on burns, DEX is, DEX is not part of this, but I feel like if you're just going to be asking the giants, I don't think they, they are a team that could just run for rush for and be like, all right, we're going to be, we're going to chip you because they don't, they don't worry about your covers, they'll chip you and burns and cave on are two ends who as much as they had good games today, chips basically eliminate them. Right. So I, I do think they should be a team that is aggressive and bring, brings the party to the quarterback. I think that should continue. And I hope this isn't just a, obviously it is going to def to depend on a week by week basis, but I hope this isn't just a, a just Sean Watson game plan. I hope we see this more. Yeah, but man, Watson is just fucking very bad, very, very bad. Do you want to talk about the banks and flawed and all that? Well, first, how many sacks is Jason pin out on pace for him? He has, he's on pace for 17 sacks this year. That is correct. Um, I should have even asked you this too. How many, how many tell me Malik neighbors is on pace stats too? Let's get this all out of the way. I tweeted, I tweeted that whole, I know, I know that's why I'm going to ask you to pull it up. Does he have 23 catches or 25? I think he has 25, right? Yeah. Right. I was on pace for him. He's on pace. Oh, he has 23 catches. He's on pace for 141 catches 1,547 yards and 17 touchdowns. He's not on pace for zero touchdowns anymore. Like we talked about in week one. Is that good? That is, that is actually, that actually is pretty good. How many sacks does a Dexter Lawrence have? He has three now, right? No, I think he only got credited for one, correct? No, according to the game book, what I tweeted out, he got, he got credit for two. So he has three on the year. Okay. So yeah, he's on pace for 17 sacks. Hell yeah. All right. That's it for now. All right. That's it for now. That's just why don't you talk to us about something and then we'll talk about banks and something else that's really juicy that you guys don't want to miss. Mmm. Speaking to juicy. Today's episode of talk of giants is brought to you by AG one, AG one as a foundational nutrition supplement that delivers daily nutrients and gut health support and is backed by multiple research studies. So you can trust what you're putting in your body, AG one daily self care for me. It's one of the first things I try and put on my body. I'm trying to take care of my body a little bit more. 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I mean, it's the same thing that we've been talking about almost since he's been drafted. But the same thing that we've been talking about this summer. Turn your head and make a play on the football for the love of God. Now the the the comforting part is like I've seen bad first round corners and they're just getting smoked. And that's not bank. He's not the slant in the end zone. I think that's a bad situation to put any corner against Cooper. You're like, Oh, well, yeah, inside leverage. Well, when you have inside levers that that is so clear inside leverage and you're on an island. It actually hurts you because when you have when you're lined up so inside, you got a fucking go if he breaks out. So you're almost like, it's like, you know, maybe I'll break it down on the film. Now, let's let's let's talk through that touchdown. Because this is my mentality. Let me know if I'm wrong from a football standpoint. Because this is now twice the Justin Jefferson touchdown and the Amari Cooper touchdown where I feel like you're just it's like, OK, here's the pre sent read, we're giving you the touchdown. I am asking my cornerback one to press up on these guys. Even if you're not shooting your hands at the line of scrimmage and we're getting physical at the line, I'm at least in I'm at least inviting that press coverage because what I feel like that will say is get close to the line of scrimmage because I'm trying to cut off you going to the inside. I want to Hey, if you if you beat me on this on this fade, OK, go up and throw the fade and make that try and make that high leverage high difficulty throw on the fade. But if you're playing off and if you're giving cushion, you're just giving them the easy in and the easy slant, right? Yeah, that's my thought process. I agree. And so it would be like, well, we had inside. We had such inside leverage. When you're playing off like that, like, I don't believe in giving in a situation like that, just clear leverage unless you are protecting from the other side of that, right, which would actually be like going to play a little outside leverage. And we have someone dropping back to protect the inside. So you can't just get an easy throw. You're like, you're you're at least going to have to throw it into the second window. If you're going to throw this throw this inside. But so you're like, Oh, well, he's got the inside leverage. That actually hurts you because like I said, if he breaks out, if he runs like a three yard speed out, well, you got to get on your horse and go and you're not really in that spot. So as soon as Cooper on his release, you know, throws a foot fake out to the left, you got to get out and move. And now you've lost that. It's to me, it's counter intuitive. You've lost that leverage and you're giving that easy pass. Now, banks besides that play has to be better. You can't give that touchdown. First play of the game. There was multiple other plays, you know, where he, you know, gives up, you know, catches in, you know, where he's he's tight and covers and there's other just regular plays. Yeah, banks has to be better. Like, um, he looks like he belongs in the NFL as a cornerback to right now he did he is not a cornerback one in the NFL. And with the state of the other giant's corners, that's not a good situation to be on on a week to week basis. I think you got credit for the past deflection to end the game where Cedric Tillman dropped the ball, but Cedric Tillman dropped the ball. That was not a, I don't, I don't put that down as a past deflection. There's another play where he had a past breakup. Um, I think it was actually on Jordan Macon's. But yeah, I was, I was, that was towards the end of the game too. Yeah, he's, he's got to be better. And then flaut was, you know, targeted six times, six completions, 51 York. Here's Ron. Did Adore Jackson get injured? He did because he only played in 12 coverage snaps and then art green, the practice squad and call up played in 10. He got hurt. I think Jordan tweeted that out. Oh, okay. So I must have missed that because I, I thought I should be ramped up at this point. Now, flaut started anyways. Adore needs to be starting over Cordo flaut. He's helped. I will say though, dude, I, I can't speak for Cordo flaut and you know, how he did like full on coverage wise. I know there was some, there were some catches underneath that he allowed. Cordo flaut was pretty physical and he made some nice tackle. So and that kind of, yeah, you also missed a couple too though. I know he missed a couple, but I understand the bar is low for him, but like, you know, he shouldn't be out there starting. There was one where there was one play where I was like, Oh my God, am I seeing this? Where it was a Zizo, Jalari, DJ Davidson and Cordo flaut all involved in stopping a play. I'm like, yeah, are you, am I saying this? Yeah, also another nice run tackle, but he missed a couple, like, again, it's not about flaut, it's about them putting him out there. So, you know, that's, that's the negatives and the, and the defense, but hey, it's victory money. I want to finish with other one other thing, because this happened since the last time we recorded the, the Jalen Hyatt, you know, saying that, you know, saying in a practice, we want to show you that news finally came out. He, you thought that they'd, they'd involve him a little more today. They did throw him a deep post, but he only had six, you know, six routes that he got the run today. Um, I know every, and again, sleep and stats haven't been, he hasn't been getting any volume through the first week that it is neighbors, then one day, I'll then sleep in. Everyone's gone, we got to play. Well, hi, no, you don't know you don't hide needs to go out there and prove it. Um, and I, and again, I'm not sitting here saying he's not demanding a trade anymore. He said it in a practice wall frustrated, like, but he did say that, right? Anyone, people trying to deny that it's just, you know, it's, you know, fingers in your ears, dumb and dumb, or la la la la. I can't hear you. It did happen. Um, but I, you know, I'm, I'm not worried about Hyatt being unhappy. I'm worried about putting the best team out there and fuck development, you develop, right? You don't develop, but by just going out there and playing like for Hyatt to be out there, and this is, you know, this can be blamed on the front office for drafting him and hide himself. But the reason he's not playing are the reasons why he went in the third round in the first place in the draft. Like, I, I'm not going to sit here and shed tears because Satan's playing over him. Satan's better than him. Right. And then this idea like, Oh, well, we should trade slate in, uh, for, to play Hyatt. Why? Why? So you, you guys think slate in is so useless that you should trade him for a day three pick or he's not worth bringing back on a, on a reasonable contract. All right. So he's not worth bringing back for the guy who's not better than him. Right. So like it's, it doesn't make sense to me. So Hyatt, develop your game, get better. When you are on the field, take advantage. Hopefully DJ hit you want some deep shots. But right now that's what he is. He's a deep or nothing type of receiver. Yeah. They get, they get pitted perfectly. He's get better, bro. Yeah. So like this, this idea that he'd been doing this grave injustice. No, he's not. He was drafted to a team that had slate night wide receiver one. A year later, they drafted Malik neighbors. I think there's two sides of it where I think he should be involved a little bit more because I do think this often should be trying to throw the ball down field more. That's the opposite side of it. But if he's legit, just not better than Darius Layton, then he shouldn't be playing over Darius Layton. Yeah. Agree. And the issue's still there even if he is involved a little more, but you know, it's, it's, it's hard to be like, Oh, well, you're the deep threat guy. Because then teams know what you're freaking doing. Now I do think there's value to putting him on the field for a good amount of a handful of snaps. I didn't surprise he's not playing much is, but it's also probably the giants. You know, pushing, pushing back a little bit on like you're, you're going to say no, but you're going to, you're going to be a guy who's going to try and spread discontent. You're going to be the guy. We just won't put you on the field. If you're going to be the fourth best wide receiver on the team, you're going to try and you don't get to be, you don't beat, you don't get to be the guy that spreads discontent and and plays. Because it does, it does spread discontent. Like he, he's, he has friends on the team. You know, um, so I mean, that's where it is. The idea that it's just all made up to me is nuts. It's, it's like, a fact. Um, I'm, I'm rooting for him to go out there and yeah, hit it, can you pass? I'm, I'm freaking excited for it. Get, make team, start respecting that. Went like it adds value to the giants. I hope we see it on Thursday night. Right. So I'm not sitting here saying don't play them at all. But the idea that we have to let him play over sleep and his nuts to me. You know, that, that, I think there's a line. Like, I think the line is, I think Jalen Hyatt should be getting more than six snaps a game. Um, but then also the other line is let's not go too far and acting like he's better than Derry Slade. That's where I'm at. Yep. All right. That's an episode. That's a victory episode. Justin, different schedule this week. We won. Cause it's Thursday night preview or Thursday night game. So we're going to go live on Wednesday night to preview the game. We'll have it on the podcast app shortly after. Uh, we'll still have the, the, um, they all learn important film review come out on Tuesday, but we'll do the preview on Wednesday. And then we'll have a recap on Friday. So no mail back this week. I don't know about this one. Then we'll do, we'll do two episodes the, the following week, because it's Thursday night football. Man, wouldn't it feel so freaking good to forget the first two games, beat the Cowboys on Thursday night national TV and just give a big old suck it. Wouldn't it be feel good to Justin be, be to stay up till one in the morning to record a podcast and it'd be a victory podcast. That usually doesn't happen. So we'll see you then. Until then, let's go big. Hello. [inaudible] (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) Man, I love those warehouse games. I wish I could watch them on TV. Oh, wait. Now you can. 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