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Let's go to war! ♪ Everything you say ♪ ♪ Everything you do ♪ ♪ You push it in ♪ ♪ And you try to make it out ♪ ♪ And you try to make it out ♪ ♪ And you try to make it out ♪ ♪ And you try to make it out ♪ ♪ And you try to make it out ♪ ♪ And you try to make it out ♪ ♪ And you try to make it out ♪ ♪ And you try to make it out ♪ ♪ And you try to make it out ♪ Let's go to the talking giants presented by Seakey Comerhost, Bob, as you can hear with my co-host, Justin Pennick. And we have a Cleveland Browns Week 3 preview. We're going to get into all of that, what the Browns bring, what they're good at, what they're bad at. And they're good at defense, bad at offense. We have Jolly Olive on later for segments. Justin, how are we doing? Bob, I'm doing all right, man. My voice is leaving my body because we've been upping in the warehouse the last couple of days. We're in the same shirt the last couple of days. And we're yapping a lot about football. We're yapping a lot about this team. I'm good, man. This game, it almost feels bigger than like, "Oh, well, let's talk about how the Giants offense matches up." The Giants offense matches up with the Browns defense and vice versa, right? Because there's Jordan Ronan quotes going around that Brian Dable's starting to lose the locker room. Jordan Ronan floated, flirted around that this is feeling like 2017. And McAdoo with the players are starting the Whisper. There's the whole Jalen Hyatt thing that we've been teasing and kind of talking about that. That situation is not in a good spot. So, you know, of course we're going to talk ball this episode on how the Giants team matches up against this Browns team. But I don't expect to win this game, Bobby. I don't think they will, but dude, if they want to say, if they want us, if we want to start saving jobs, and if we want to start saving a little bit of morale and buying people another week, the Giants got to find a way to win this football game, man. It's bigger than just being one and two, right? Yeah, I mean, the Giants, the 0 and 3 is off. You know, seasons fall, you know, seasons fall apart. I don't think any of us have any expectations for this team to turn around and make the playoffs or anything. But, you know, the further you go into, oh, and this, oh, and that, it just gets uglier and uglier, and especially, you know, when you're in year three as a coach, right? Which we have not seen for the Giants in a, you know, since Tom Koff, right? And, you know, Tom Koff and even had stuff like that. He was when he was actually taking his team to the playoffs after three years. So we'll get into all of it, but we are going to talk about this new Cleveland Browns match up and everything it gets. I've loved the preview pause this year. I think we've been doing a good job of identifying what teams do well and what they don't do well. First, it's absolutely brought to you by some special people. We've got Ryan DeRoche or Dorish. He's not a garages. He's Dorish. We got Beppies or Beepies. Be Pized. Brad P and the P stands for Patreon. We got Akbar Hasanji. Not Hasan Redic. Hasanji. Xavier. No last name. Xavier. I love it. He's just the college and then Connor Supleta. He's going to do a suplexa on your broke ass. Justin, who are these people? These wonderful people went to patreon.com/talkandrines2diles a month plus some of those years, if you want. If you want to mess around with that, you can watch and hang out with us while we record the show's live. People just got to see Jollialve. We recorded part two before part one. That's how that worked today. Bobby's going to be sending some stickers in the mail plus there's some shirt raffles a couple times a month. If you want to see more videos on Patreon.com/talkandrines, thanks to our patrons. I want to talk about the Giants offense versus the Browns defense because that's out of these four units of the Giants offense defense and then the same for the Browns. The Browns defense is the one that stands, you know, is set apart from the rest of those units. I mean, this defense is extremely challenging to play against. You know, Jim Schwartz had them at what I thought was the best defense in the NFL last year. I liked them more than I did the Ravens. They look great this year and they're just they're just brimming with talent. You know, there's a lot of guys on the injury report for them. But I think they're mostly like the only guy who's a DNP on defense really is Miles Garrett. And I think he's someone that you cannot practice and let him go out there and play. And we're talking about, you know, possibly the best defensive player in the NFL with Miles Garrett. And, you know, you look at like, you look at some of their metrics on defense and you're like, Oh, they're not so great here. But I would not look at that. I think it's a two game sample size and there's some outlier plays that might influence that. You know, they held the Jax to 13 points. That's really good. The Cowboys scored 33 points. Like, ooh, Browns lost their touch a little bit. Eh, the Cowboys scored two legit touchdown drives. That's true. They are their next five scores were a punt return touchdown, a field goal off of a one yard drive because walks an inner through an interception, a field goal off of a 10 yard drive, a field goal off of a 14 yard drive and a field goal of 17 yard drive. So 19 points came off of 42 offensive yards in that in that Cowboys game. But everything starts with their front four, right? You have Miles Garrett and Zideria Smith on the edge. I mean, that's that's an insane advantage, right? Miles Garrett with like any competent pass rusher is going to be a great duo. But Zideria Smith is real freaking deal. And on the interior, man, they got guys too. You guys remember Dalvin Tomlinson? He's in the middle of that defense. Shelby Harris is in the middle of that defense. And they got some rotational guys that they'll throw in there too. It's just when you have a front four like that, it just allows you to do so much defensively. It helps your linebackers. It helps your secondaries. It just, man, it makes it tough to play on offense when you have to account for a front four like that. Yeah, man. I think it's talent wise. I think it's the best front four in the NFL, right? I don't think there's any doubt. I think it is the best front four in the NFL. I think we did our front rankings on football today in the off season and they were my number one. Yeah. And then you include Jeremiah Wilson-Cormolo, who is a weapon as a blitzer and as a linebacker and as a force of negative plays as well. He has some guys in the secondary that are physical and who come down to 25% pressure rate according to the profile bar reference through two weeks. And then they also have a 25% blitz rate and a 10% sack rate through two weeks as well. And that's in the top 10. So this is going to be a front four that's going to get after you and the Giants better be ready for it. I'm looking at it right now. And I did rank them as my number one unit up front. So, you know, I talk about your main element or later in the show, but I think he's key. The Giants are going to keep tight ends in again this game. They're just going to. So you think they're going to go a little bit more 12 personnel heavy instead of 11 personnel, which is the kind of the pseudo strength of this team? I mean, that's what they've done the first two weeks. And I don't think there's a game where it makes more sense this year. Let me let me ask you a question though. Against the Browns, I get it. So I guess I can't be too mad. Like, oh, we're really we're really going to put 12 personnel out there to help block Miles Garrett and Zadaria Smith. And it's the Vikings. It's a little freaking annoying because they don't have anybody that can really beat you like Miles Garrett and Andrew Vincenkel. Isn't that kind of if this offensive line really is better? And if they are improved and if we're trusting our tackles, especially we trust Andrew Thomas, and we want to trust Jermaine, right? Wouldn't you wouldn't you want this team to lean more into what their identity should be? And that's 11 personnel with having three good wide receivers on the field instead of adding another tight end who will be a zero in the past game and taking a wide receiver off the field? So do you agree with that? Not if they're not if they're going to be running into light boxes the way they've been able to, where teams are not going to stack the box against them. I'd be looking to run tight ends on the field. Not if Daniel Jones is their quarterback and he's not going to push the ball down the field against leverage. Like, yeah, 11 personnel is still going to be their most used like formation, right? We're not saying that's off the field, but they're going to use a good amount of 12, right? They're going to use two blocking tight ends. They're going to run the ball and I think they seen success in the past around play action. And if they start doing that and start continuing to run the ball well like that, then teams are going to respect a little more and then that's going to set up some of that 12 personnel play action. And you have a guy like Malik, like their offense offensively runs to Malik neighbors. Guess what? He's on the field for those and he's just a go out and win type of guy, especially against the Browns that run a ton of man coverage. You know, more man coverage than anybody in the NFL right now. Malik neighbor, it doesn't matter what formation you're in. If Malik neighbors is that wide verse man coverage with the MLB postseason upon us. It's time to explore those US cities. 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That first Malik neighbors play where he has that 30 yard play that was just receivers kind of clearing out space and then you have a quarterback that's trailing and then Malik neighbors has a lot of room, a lot of separation and yards and an opportunity for yards after the catch, right? Yeah. It's just like a basic, you know, drive concept tight end runs an end receiver runs a drive underneath it. Now, here's the thing is the the Browns corners are not the man was corners commander. They're the exact opposite, you know, with the Browns have one of the best corner groups in the NFL. We're all through their guys are good and I think Denzel Ward will be a full go this week. They're early in the game last week and they only put him in on third downs because he couldn't tackle and Ward's been like he's played amazing through these first two games. He's given up 11 or three catches on 11 targets for pass breakups, you know, for only 66 yards he's been awesome and then they have Martin Emerson and Greg Newsom who, you know, plays mostly in the slot for them like they've got a really nice cornerback group. So it will be a test for them, but, you know, I think the Giants found some success, like you don't want to drop like you don't want to drop back like crazy against this Browns defense. Right. That's that's not a way to win the way the way to win against the Browns is to try and establish some run. Here's the thing though. I think the Browns run defense is really good. Right. They have, let's see, they have 15 tackles for a loss in two games. They led the NFL in that in 2023 and they're like, oh, well, they've given up 225 rushing yards this year. Okay. So a CD lamb got jet sweeps in the week one and then Trevor Lawrence had a 45 yard run and week two they're running backs have 147 yards on 35 carries. You know, they're 27th and, uh, sorry, that's something else, um, you know, the starting backs against them, Travis DTN had 52 yards, Zeke Elliott had 40 yards and their backups only had 26. All right. So they're, they're linebackers because that defensive line is so good and their corners are so good. Those linebackers trigger man, they trigger to get downhill quick. And that's how they create all those negative plays with J.O.K. and Jordan Hicks. And I think J.O.K led linebackers and tackles for a loss last year, um, they, they get downhill quick. They don't even play a depth either, right? It's not like they're playing a depth and then triggering. They were playing bearish, you know, very shallow behind that D line. That D line holds their double teams and allows these guys free gaps. And that's where I think the giants should continue to lean into this duo run stuff, right? Cause it's like, all right, let's double team the front, the, the, uh, the first level. And we block until we're at the second level, not zone blocking where we're trying to reach and cut off linebackers. No, we run straight at your ass. It's not a great matchup because you have Dalvin in the middle. You have Shelby Harris, you have edge defenders that are going to school, trying to squeeze shit in. But for a giant's offense that there's not a lot of pathways to success versus Brown's defense, it is running the ball. Yeah, during 2024, the Browns right now have the ninth lowest run stuff right at the line of scrimmage. So at least maybe the Giants can stay on schedule. Now let's now, now if you bring that back to 2023, who led the league in, in stuff percentage in the, as a run defense, it was the Cleveland Browns. So it's a combination of was it just early season sample size or, you know, cause 2023, the brands led the league in that stuff percentage. So I'm with you, man, because of look, look at who we have a quarterback, you know, if you take sacks and forget even just Daniel Jones and not being confident in his ability postable down the field. If you, if you're dropping back on constantly on first and second down and you're taking sacks and miles, carrots and Zadari Smith or some of the interior guys are getting beat, then the drives over. The drive's just over before it can even begin. So I am with you where this offensive line is moving and if this offensive line's grooving, you got to stick to the run and you got to, you got to be willing and ready to run a lot of plays in a given drive and this is, this is a game where I'm, I'm very open and willing like, Hey, we're going to have to kick a couple field goals. When you cross the 50 yard line, I'm not, I'm not, I won't be super hopeful for a touchdown unless an explosive play maybe comes after that or sets us up in a good spot. If we're running a lot of plays in a drive and it's a, you know, grind it out type of game, I think you're going to have to be kicking field goals and you're going to have to kind of be fine with that. Yeah. And they're just aggressive because they have that front, right? The, you know, their corners are really good. Their linebackers are really aggressive and what they do. Now this is where, this is where I think you can beat the Browns and this is where teams have done it. And this is why, you know, there's not a lot of hope for this Giants offense in this game. It is through the explosive play, right? Even in play action, as much as they trigger on play action and they're good at recognizing it as well through their linebackers, they're, you know, J. Okay, those guys are so athletic. They get back and they cut, and they cut off those crossing routes. So the way the beat them is to throw the deep post, right? To throw, you know, the, the post corner or a, you know, the go ball, like that's really the way to get anything going in the past game and that's really the only thing they've given up through two games. Like Dak and Trevor Lawrence are six to 12 for 201 yards and on 20 plus yard throws, right? Lawrence threw at 23% of the time, Dak, 16% of the time, that's, I mean, that's where there are, oh, that's where both those teams only offensive success came from is a dinner come in the run game. Now here you run game wise, you can run some jets sweeps because they're lying back to play a little so aggressive. So maybe you'll see a little of that with Malik neighbors or one Dale in this game. And you know, you get some, you know, Daniel Jones rushing yards when they, you know, they don't play their lanes perfectly and they got their back turned because they're in man coverage. But the way is to, and this is where the Giants have been good and Brian Dave actually talked about what we talked about in our mailbag and his press conference on Tuesday or Wednesday that they're marrying their play action and their run game really well where when you run that duo, it's a lot easier to make your play action look like run when you're running, when you're blocking like that, when you're zone blocking and play action, it's a lot, it's a lot harder to disguise because you're not working to the second level at all. Well, when you're running those man duo, well, okay, well, you're not, you're not racing to the second level in those looks anyways. So offensively, I think that's kind of the key to it is keeping that run game good, good enough and hunting for explosives. You're not going to get put up 30 points on this defense. And then when, if the Browns turn over the ball on offense, taking advantage of it because that's really the only way to beat this Browns team. You got it. And that's, that's the way, that's the only way Browns lost games last year, basically, was like their defense would kill people and then all of a sudden they would turn over the ball three times. Like, so if the Giants do create turnovers, which we'll talk about there are defense in the second, you have to take advantage of those with, you know, a touchdown and like got, you got to put up, you know, 10 plus points off turnovers. It's been one of the more annoying parts of the last couple of years is when the Giants defense does something positive and then what does the Giants offense do in turn? They squander that opportunity immediately and it only results in three points and results in a punt. I mean, he saw it week one against the Vikings where defense forces that early turnover, he can't score seven and it just sets the tone for the rest of the game. So, um, I'm, I'm with you, man. You got it. You got to put seven up on the board when, if, if the defense does give you a good opportunity, why don't you talk to us about something, Justin? I'll talk to you about something. Oh, man, it's been a while since we've talked about this. You ready for this? The candle wick diner baby next Thursday night against the Dallas Cowboys. Man, imagine, imagine, you know, let's, let's eff around, beat the Browns or one in two. It'll be a divisional game against the Dallas Cowboy team that may be a little susceptible. This is the worst version of the Cowboys that we've seen in quite a while, probably since 2020 or DAC goes out. So maybe it'll be a huge game, but regardless if you're coming to the game, if you want to go to that Giants cowboy game, it's a great reason to come because the candle wick diner is going to be catering our tailgate. So the link to the description for our tickets, the link that is in our description right now. So go check it out. 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I believe we've been working with them since 2021. And that's so awesome. I'm very thankful for them. You'll be glad you did. Yeah. I always head out to the candle wick diner anytime I'm in Jersey who was up there for training camp got there, you know, whenever we have a day off going for breakfast at the candle wick diner, you'll be glad you did. All right, Justin, let's talk about the brand's offense versus the giant defense. We got a good old bad versus bad matchup. The brand's office is 27th and rush success rate 30th and drop back, drop back success rate 28th and E paper play 23rd and scoring. This is a bad offense with a bad quarterback. There's really nothing redeeming about this offense except for a Mario Cooper and a Mario Cooper's had a really bad first two games, but I'm not expecting that to start. And now it looks like they're getting their offensive tackles back with judging wills and Jack Conklin, but the one Jones was the one guy that's playing good. James Hudson left tackle has been awful, but wills is no superstar either. And joke who is probably out there, you know, they're tight and then I mean, the way to beat the Browns is just pressure the shit out of the Sean Watson and make them make stupid decision. Right. Like the Sean Watson right now has the second highest pressure rate in the NFL, a decent part of that is Hudson, you know, at left tackle. So we'll see what wills looks like, but here's something I'm so excited for. There's center Ethan Pochik has given up the most center pressure in the NFL. Mmm. Guess who he gets to play up against? Excellent. Dexter Lawrence. He is going to murder. Dexter Lawrence is going to murder Ethan this week. Get ready for this. Ethan, like you, you think you're leading, you know, the NFL in it for two weeks. Get ready to see your stats after three weeks. You may never recover from this statistically Ethan. Like, it's amazing. Here's the thing though. You got to bring walks and down or force him to throw a stupid decision because that's the one thing he still is good at is avoiding sacks and, you know, you know, scrambling around and making plays with his legs. He's hard to bring down Michael Parsons, even had a, you know, a sound by talking to Miles Garrett, where he's like, man, I was killing there off the line, but I just had a hard time bringing him down, but he's going to put the ball in harm's way, you know, like, and that that has been the way to beat the Browns for a year and two games now is to create turnovers. When they turn the ball over, they lose games, even sometimes when they do it, they win because that defense is so good. But there has been not been a team that has put more points on offense, who has put more points on the board for the others, their opponent, then the Cleveland Browns, that's the way they do it. So, you know, the secondary, these linebackers, you need to make a play and help out your offense for you to stand a chance this week. Yeah, man, as you were talking, I just looked up the Cleveland Browns have a top 11 pass rate in every quarter, except the second quarter where it's 20th, but in the third quarter, they have the highest pass rate in the NFL. In the first quarter, they have the 11th highest pass rate in the NFL. And that's going to, I'm telling you that I, I hope this doesn't come back to bite us in the ass. And man, that would be a huge indictment on Shane Bowen if the Sean Watson looks like any form of his Houston Texans self this game, that'll be a huge indictment. But the, I think the best chance the Giants have to win this game is to Sean Watson throwing the ball and to Sean Watson making mistakes and to Sean Watson looking like the quarterback that he's been one of the worst quarterbacks in the National Football League since he has been acquired and since he has started playing for the Cleveland Browns. That's the best chance. That is the best chance that the Giants haven't winning because I care, it's a shame, man, because Kevin Stafansky was one of these guys and was one of these coaches like Harbaugh's Ravens, like Shanahan's 49ers and you would put the Browns and Stafansky in the same sentence of saying, you know what, in a league where wants to, in a league that wants to pass, pass, pass and throw, throw, throw, Kevin Stafansky's Browns I've all been all about. We're going to run the damn ball. We're going to run it down your throats and also we're going to be damn efficient at it. And it's a shame, man, that they've traded for this bump, I shouldn't use the word bump. They've traded for this bad guy quarterback and they've sucked. I feel like bad guy is worse than bump and they've gone away from their identity as a Browns team. What made them kind of successful and rise up to begin with and now they're okay, we're just going to change this entire team for just Sean Watson and we're going to be bad at it. So, man, I really hope like they are going to throw the ball and when they do run the ball, I think they're going to get heavy. They're going to put offensive lineman out there because they don't have blocking tight ends. David and Joku looks like he may be out. So they literally have offensive lineman being used as a jumbo tight ends, putting them in motion and shit. Yeah. So I, I, this giant's defense and this passing defense has to look better, man. They have to. If there's, if there was any offense that this defense could really look good against, it is, it is this, this offense, you know, like they're running back to have 36 carries for 161. That's 4.4 yards per carry. But 36 of those yards off off of a four, a fourth down full house sweep where the Jag just didn't have any edge pressure presence, right? And so I hate when people like, oh, well, if you take away this big run, we'll say, well, they earn that big run. Well, that was just Jag's bad, just guessing wrong on a play. They're three and a half yards per carry without, they're, they're really bad. Neither forming or, you know, drone for to do anything, Nick Chub, this run game without Nick Chub is just not the same. You talk about a guy who's like has a historically high yards per carry, like, you know, like top 10 all time, and they're just, there's, you watch this offense, right? And I'm like, what is the, what is the identity? There's really none like, you know, the only identity where it's like, this is a consistent thing I see out of you guys is force feeding Elijah Moore, right? That is the only thing where I'm like, this is the consistent thing is they force feed Elijah Moore, you know, and he's 45th out of 45 receivers with 10 targets and average depth of target and, and, you know, their, the receivers all have, I think, let me pull it up right here and then write this down exactly. Cooper has 15 targets, Judy and Moore both have 14. So they spread it out between those three, but they're all, you know, they also drop the ball. The Browns have eight overall drops this year, the most in the NFL. Giants are second with six. How about that? Got a little bad versus bad matchup. I just, I would expect Cooper to be really good. But I also through two games, Shane Bowen has made an effort to double and not let watch your ones take over games. And I thought, I think Jerry Judy and whoever plays against him is like the biggest match up in this game for the Giants defense, which I'm hoping is the door is Jackson, because I don't trust. I don't, I think Jerry Judy would kill for it. It doesn't look like they put cloud is going to play. The clouds out. Yeah. Yeah. So Nick, but clouds are not going to play. So the thought that just came to my head to Bobby, it's not necessarily like the passing offense or rushing rushing offense necessarily. What the Browns did do successfully last week is they ran a lot of plays against the Jaguars. They ran a lot of football plays. Like there were some 18 play drives, some team play drives that wound up at field goals. So that, you know, that's the thing that I'm cautious of with this Giants defense is that they just did this with wash on last week, where they ran a lot of plays, a lot of time of possession, just tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, you know, I call it pitter patter. I call the pitter patter on the stream and I think people got a kick out of that. That's what I'm worried about. If this Giants defense isn't going to be aggressive, if they're not going to force turnovers and the Browns will run a lot of plays. And if the Sean Watson does not make mistakes, they will run a lot of plays. They will eat away. A lot of time of possession. Our offense will not be on the field and it may feel similar to last week because they have no desire to push the ball down the field. I mean, Watson is one of six on deep passes this year, you know, and his 7% deep furrow rate is 24th to 32 is 28th to 32 in completion rate is and and forget just 20 plus start those. He only has seven completions of over 10 area yards this year, right? So everything is quick game. But the thing is with the Browns, if they don't turn the ball over, they usually win, right? They have the Jags 18 to 13. Two of those points came up from a safety, you know, on Trevor Lawrence, so they scored 16 points. They scored 18 the week before versus the Dallas Cowboys. They just, they're really not capable of any offensive success. And whenever they do get it, it's an outlier for them, right? Their play action game sucks. You know, they're 30 30 of the 33 and play action yards per attempt, 27 to 33 in completion percentage. It's just Watson doesn't have confidence in anything that he's seeing down the field. So they've resorted to a quick game and then trying to scheme up some longer plays for a Mario Cooper and that's what that offense is and trying to run the ball to just, they're just not good at it. But this is a game where I am just, I'm hoping the Giants can force the Sean Watson into two turnovers. Right. And no matter how bad the Giants offense is, that does give them a chance in this game. Right. Or, or the Browns view that, hey, the Giants rush defense is terrible. They put offensive lineman on the field and they run the damn ball and then I'm extremely worried about that. I don't care if the Browns rushing offense isn't great. I'm worried about the Giants not being able to stop the run. I don't care what team, right? Which, I wonder if the Giants will start to adjust to that and stack the box a little more, you know, because they've had the, you know, what was it, 69, 70% of light boxes this year. Yeah. If they start to stack that a little more and realize, you know, we don't have Tennessee Titans personnel up front. Our DBs are not, we can't be relied on outside of Andrew Phillips and Tyler Newman and run fits. Can you do that? Bobby O'Karrick, I start to make some more plays and just do his job, you know, what she's talked about in, in the media. So, some, some big tests for this tight, this giant defense, not because of the Browns offense because defense is, most defenses in the NFL should have success versus Browns offense. So if you can't find success against them, you're in worse, right? We've, you know, you look at the commander's game, you gave them all these quick throws. Jaden Daniels made plays with his legs and then they ran the ball on you. Don't let the Cleveland Browns do that as well to you. So, uh, just before we bring on Jolly all of them want to talk to you guys about something. I want to talk to you about Seki. Can I want to thank Seki so much for sponsoring this episode? Baseball is in full swing. NFL is here. It's not even around the corner, right? Would love that to be updated. Seki is the best place to buy tickets in the world. I use it for everything. I've used it for NASCAR, football, I've used it for literally every sporting event I've been to. Uh, in the last few years, I've used Seki. They rate every ticket on a scale of one to 10 so you know you're getting a good deal. 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I would now welcome on to the show for weather and trivia, Jolly Olaf and our meteorologist, our Doppler, Jolly. Jolly, what's, what's the weather looking like in Cleveland, Ohio this weekend? Thank you, fellas for having me on a third straight week. Sky's looking pretty clear for our New York Giants, which would make you think it might be time for better football. I've got sunny, partly cloudy, partly windy, but not much that's going to affect the game. It'll be a little humid, but no climate in the mid 80s. So nice warm summer-esque game for the Giants to hopefully put the pass behind them and get in the wind column. Have you ever been to Cleveland? I've not been to Cleveland. I never been to Ohio and I may never be. We're going to Canton, Ohio next year for the Eli Manning Hall of Fame ceremony. We're doing a live show and stuff there. You're welcome to come, Jolly. I would love to. So I was just thinking like, oh yeah, we're, you know, we're in Ohio this weekend. We're going to be in Ohio in about, you know, 10 and a half months. I'm excited for that. I'm going to be in Ohio Thanksgiving weekend. For what? Ohio State, Michigan, and I will be stopping in at Canton. I'll scope out where we can set up our table and stuff. Perfect. Yeah, I'm excited for it. We have trivia before we get into everything else and we're keeping score this year. I am up four to one on Justin on trivia. So I have a pretty big lead on the way to getting a jersey. Jolly, what do we got for trivia this week? Yeah. If you're tuning in for your first preview part of the season, trivia is a little bit different this year. The most points at the end of the year, I will be getting that person a Giants jersey of their choosing. So it's a little bit more competitive. I screwed the pooch a little bit last week. Justin Pentek also struggled with the directions last week. I struggled with directions a lot. There was an opportunity for multiple points, but then we had you guys read out loud. So it's kind of messy. So this week, I'm going to have you text me your answers. I'll read them out loud. Points last week redacted. I don't think that's true. I don't think that's a, that's part of this game. Paying attention is a big part of this game. Paying attention is a big part of this game, Pentek, okay? It's a short one going forward. All right. You texted me last Sunday at 2.24 PM. Like to that drive. I did. I liked that drive a lot. I didn't respond. Thanks changed after that. Yeah. Okay. And I was going to text you again before the single Terry fumble, but that's beside the point. That's your fault. All right. Okay. Here is today's trivia question. The Giants have played the Browns twice in the past decade. They won in 2016 and they lost in 2020. We're going to talk about the 2016 game because much more fun season, much more fun game. In that game, the defense recorded seven sacks against the Cleveland Browns, the same Browns that will go on to finish the year one in 15 with Josh McCown under shotgun. So here's your opportunity for points. There are four players that recorded a sack in that game. You can send me as many names as you want. The maximum amount of points you can get is four. If you get all four names correctly, if any of the names are wrong, you get no points. If any of them are wrong. If any of the names you send me are wrong, you get no points. So you can send me one. I'll talk at one point. So the 2016 matchup, the 2016 matchup, where are the Giants claimed victory, 27 to 13 to improve to eight and three under Ben Macadam. Can I be honest? I have no memory of that game. I just sent two. I actually think I have a pretty distinct memory of that, you know, one moment and I'll wait to say what happened in it, but it was very funny that it happened because of things that had happened in the previous offseason season. So Justin, let me know when you sent your answers because I've sent my, I, I just did two. I got bobbiness. Don't be nervous, Justin. I'm extremely nervous. See great instead. Jolly, did I get both mine, right? You did. All right. I'm saying I just sent you three answers. Okay. I like that you went for three being bold. I respect that a lot. All right. Good news. So both of you said Jason Pierre Paul and Olivia Vernon, so you both get two points. Naturally, Pennick added another one on top of that, Jonathan Haggins also recorded a sack in that game. So you'll get three points this week and make up some ground. The only missing name that neither you went for. Jack Rabbit Jenkins. Okay. I'm glad I was thinking like an aquara brother, because he was there in 2016, he had an interception in that game and I was like without a hand with his hand, like he had an interception without a hand. That's not bad. The grounds were that year was a pick six, right? I don't have that here. Oh, no. Yes, I have it here. Oh, fun, but we're covered here. What game did he have? The interception and I don't know. But he had a monster game. Two QB hits, fun, recovery touchdown, three sacks. Yeah, I remember he just was was dominant in that game, man, JPP, the first thing that comes up with his name is hand instead of like stats or anything. That's sad. Yeah. It's also sad that like he must have some type of like money issues because he keeps trying to play in the league, even though he's been lost for a few years. Like he played the last 14 years and like last year with the Ravens, he was totally done. Teens like bring him on the practice squad and say that's it. Let's see. No, he didn't have an interception that year. Must have been the next year. So Bobby, you moved to six points in trivia. Panic, you climbed to four, I believe. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you close the gap to just two points. Still anybody's game. Still plenty of football left to play. Nicely done this week, boys. What year did JPP blow up his hand? I believe that was 2014 before, rather, 2015, I mean, you've even been 2013. Do you remember where you were? Because he was on the franchise tag at that point. And I think he played under the little July. I was around fireworks when it happened. Well, I think a lot of people are. Well, I thought that was so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, it's a beer ball, Jolly. No way, really? Yeah. What are the odds? What happened with Jason Pierrop? It was 2015. Oh, it was. Okay. So I was right. Mmm. Nice. You said it was, might have been 2013. Well, I first said 2014, 2015, so I was right. Go with your gut. Is that how that works? Yep. All right. So the trivia, the trivia right now is six to four me over, over Justin. All right. Now we have our fantasy draft, which, Jolly, you will enjoy this because Justin drafted Malik neighbors last week and julene neighbors did really good. Justin's after the game is, I was like, I'm going to tally up and see where I'm just like, oh, I probably won, right? Justin actually did the worst last week with 33.1 points. Yeah. Jolly, you had 36 points. I went first back to back weeks with 40.9. Jolly, you're picking first, even though you are last in the standings. You are 16.9 points back. I'll be picking second and then Justin who's in second, picking third, he's 16.5 points. So you guys are separated by less than a half a point. But I've got a pretty good start to the season. Jolly, who was your one one this week? This is a tough draft. There's not a lot to love on this board. I'm worried about the Brown's running back situation, Ford only had seven carries last week. It looks like they're splitting up him and forming. I think the one one here is fairly easy, although I don't know how it's going to go because I don't know how much time Daniel Jones is going to have, but I'm going to take Malik neighbors. He had a monster game last week. He was the go-to option on several drives and I'd have confidence that if the Giants get anything going, it'll be because of Malik neighbors. Yeah. I agree with having neighbors one here, one of the Browns, we talked about in the first half of the show that we haven't recorded yet because Jolly is a diva. Their receivers have 15 targets and 14 targets and 14 targets, so their receiver's target share is very much even and Cooper's had a bad start, a couple drops. So I agree with that and then neither running back like you have a lot of confidence in to just have continued success. So I agree with Malik neighbors one one, but that makes the pick easy for me, even though he again, he has had a bad start to the season. Maricouper is still amazing. I worry that they'll double him, but I don't know if this is the right team to double because they do share the targets around so much. I'm going to Maricouper with my second pick. Oh, I mean, just I'm most surprised who who would you have picked Judy because he's had better staff. So far these this year, no, I mean, running back, I would have I honestly would have picked Devin Singletary and that's what I'm going to do with the third pick. Yeah, taken with the third pick, the Browns run defense is pretty damn good. Now, I mean, at least I'm going EPA per play through the first two weeks of the season. It's been it's been below average. So and the Giants run offense, I actually trust a long run. The Cowboys receivers had runs. This is this is the benefit of not recording the first half first. I haven't made all these points yet. They just this is this is a tough match up for the New York Giants and Singletary. Singletary might be the third pick in this, but it's just it's a tough defense. Who do you have with your second pick? I'll go I'm taking a Browns running back as tough, but I'm going to go down to four and he he had 14 carries the week before honestly, like if you were to pick Devin Singletary, there was part of me that wanted to go like Jerome Ford and Dante Foreman back to back because I'm just I will just take whatever the Browns do on the ground. I will have and odds are if I had a guess there they're running for 150 175 yards on the ground. That's my guess if they commit to it. Yeah. And with Conklin back and you know, we'll see what wills is bringing them. But yeah, they just you wonder if they'll start to give a little more carries to Jerome Ford because he's you know, he has been a little more efficient, but that's really based off of one big run that he had last week on a fourth down and one. But yeah, in a game where you don't trust either passing offense, I guess you're trying to get both running backs isn't bad. All right. So it's wrapping back around to me. I mean, I'm going to go Jerry Judy. He was actually number three on my big board and cornerback two, whether it's a Dorei or Flawter, whoever, I don't trust that and the Giants through two weeks have doubled the wide receiver ones a lot, right Justin Jefferson was doubled a lot to him as Lauren was double teamed a lot. So that allows Jerry Judy who I and I like Judy, right? I know he's not the perfect player, but I think he's a really good route runner and can win. I'm getting Jerry Judy, my number three at number five, jolly, you got back to back picks. Yeah, I do. I hate that I didn't get a running back because I think this is going to be a ground game. I would have loved. I loved your idea. I thought I thought I had the third and fourth because I'm in the last place and I was like, Oh, it's good. I know that now. So with that, I'm going to, I'm going to play the targets game and hope that he's kind of just a panic check down dump off option on a lot of plays and I'll take one Dale because I think he can just get points on the board. I took, I think I've taken slate in both of the first two weeks and I've gotten almost no production out of them. So I'm going to abandon that ship and take one Dale at six and then like after that, it's been cheese. I would love to take new joke here, but he's not going to play. I'm like fairly certain of that, but rather not wasting. Yeah. And he's not playing. Yeah. I mean, basically confirmed that he's not playing. I hate to give you some help here, but I do like the one Dale thing. I mean, he's gotten 16 targets for two weeks. Right. Yeah. And in a game where the Browns defense is real deal and their pass rush is nasty. I think one deal is going to get in a lot of targets again. So I think that's a safe pick. Yeah. I mean, he's gotten one less target than a Mario this season. It's just, you know, they're viewed a little differently. I guess I'll take slate and on the wraparound, I'll just take the Giants wide receivers and hope that someone can create a big play. And, you know, if there is a big play that has had, I know that I have it, so I'll take slate. Yeah. I mean, the way that beat the Browns is by getting big plays, I don't know if I trust, I don't even, I don't know if I trust able to even dial them up against this Browns defense, but that is the way of the beat. But I'm really happy with my board cause I'm getting, I got number two and number three on my big board and I'm getting number four Elijah Moore, I don't know what I expect him to get yards wise, but this Browns team for now over a year force feeds him with manufacturer touches. You know, he has a very low average depth of target, but he does get a lot of targets. You know, he's the same amount of targets as, you know, Emory, one less than Jerry Judy. So I like Elijah Moore here. I think this is about as safe as a pick you can get with the eighth pick in a game with two, with two bad offenses. So Justin, you got your last two picks. Yeah. I do. I'm fortunate, um, dude, I is, this doesn't exist as a football player, Theo Johnson doesn't exist as a football player. I mean, we took the top, we took the top and we take the top to run. We took somebody took Jerome Ford, right? Did no one take Jerome Ford? You were acting like Jerome. Oh, I was acting like he got selected. I think I did that in my head. I was going to tell you that why are you acting like he's not on the board? That's all take Jerome Ford. Absolutely. That's a, I almost, I almost called Justin Jason, like a couple of our commenters do, um, Justin gets all the running backs. Yeah. I got all the running backs and I, and I have one more picture, not a bad strategy in a game with two bad offenses and one really good defense. And I have one more pick, right? Yeah. Why don't you take Tyrone Tracy and just go all backs? No, no, no, no, you should do it. No, I'm going to take a old friend, old friend of the Giants Jordan, Jordan Atkins. Don't forget that Jordan Akins didn't even make the Giants 53 man roster in 2022. Yeah. And he was viewed as a starter, UCF guy, former baseball player, uh, you know, came into the league late. Do you know anything? Here. Here's some trivia. What team did Jordan Akins get drafted by? Oh, and baseball. Oh, and bet on baseball. Oh, you should know this trivia, man. What year can you tell me that? Um, let's see. He's a 2010 of the MLB June amateur draft on it and is that different than the regular draft? No, it's the same. He's a around pick, by the way, all right, I'll fire a dart and I'll just say, uh, it's more royals. Here, I'll give you a hint. I'll give you a hint. Okay. It is what's for a team in the state that he's played most of his football. Texas. So it's the use the national Astros. Nope. It's a Texas Rangers. I'm going to 50, 15. We fucking for Ranger, um, champs. They are the world champs. People forget. All right. So I have the last pick and, um, shit. Yeah. Yeah. Shit. It's accurate. I kind of don't want to take Josh Jalen Hyatt. So Jolly just takes Jalen Hyatt every week. I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about it. Cause there's really nobody, like it's basically Theo, Johnson, Jalen, Hyatt, Tyrone, Tracy at this point. There's no other options. Like, this is one of the shortest big boards unless you want, unless you want to get in on some, you know, Daniel Bellinger, Chris Manner's love, like they're backup tight end. This week is on the practice. Well, it hasn't even been elevated yet, um, they're more likely to use offensive law. I'm going to, I'm going to talk about this in the first half of the show. They're more likely to use offensive lineman than like tight ends, like for blocking. You know what? Even though this guy is not happy and he may have mentioned one of the being traded in a practice price for, they're trying to, they're trying to mend some fences. I'm going Jalen Hyatt. Wow. This is, this is, I'm going to burn you so bad, Jolly, cause this is going to be the game that Jalen Hyatt gets that big play and you're not going to get shit. What's the last pick? That's fucked up, dude. All right. Well, I was definitely going to take Jalen Hyatt from the meme because it wouldn't be funny if I had all four Giants win receivers on my team. I guess I'll take. Oh my God. I've been awful. I know. I've been sick. Yeah. I'm going to have all the Browns receivers. I'm taking no Browns. I'll take Theo Johnson. Hopefully he can find the end zone again. Uh, that'd be cool. I'm not going to believe in it, but that would be cool. Hey, at one, but at some point Theo Johnson will get a lot of catches. Couldn't happen week one if DJ was a little more accurate, um, who would have been next on your guys board because that's that's who would be after that pick. God, dude. I mean, New Joko being hurt messes all of this up. Yeah. Tyler and Tracy does get carries. Yeah. Maybe have to be Tyrone Tracy. That's the only other option. Um, how about that? All right. So to recap myself in first place has Amari Cooper, Jerry Judy and Elijah Moore and Jalen Hyatt Justin in second place by less than a half a point Devin Singletary, Deontay Foreman, Jerome Ford and Jordan Akins and then jolly and last as Malik neighbors, Juan Dale Robinson, Darius, like Nithil Johnson. I mean, jolly literally has the giant starting 11 personnel. Go baby. Got to believe in something outside of the running backs in there. All right. Um, I'm excited for this week. I feel like you guys, you guys can either get close or I can, I'm going for the highest average points per game season, which I think was Justin in 2020. All right. It's time for the giant factor, jolly, you get to pick a giant factor for the first, uh, pick for the first time, but I'm excited about it. Um, mine's pretty straightforward this week. Uh, I'm going to pick Dexter Lawrence. Uh, last week was tough for him because he got doubled most of the game. He couldn't really have an effect on the game. I think, uh, you know, one on one matchup, you would have seen a more explosive game from him, but it, you know, it doesn't change the fact zero tackles, no QB hits. Um, if the giants are going to have any shot in this game, a big part of it is going to be stopping the run, I think, because I'm not super worried about the browns passing offense. Uh, their run game though is fairly established, uh, and I think, uh, the biggest way we can get in the way of that is decks just having one of his more monster games. Uh, I thought about going burns again, but I've just been really disgusted with him these past two weeks. I really have been upset watching him play football, uh, and I don't, I don't know how much optimism I want to place him right now. I need to see a little, a little bit more. So I'm going to pick decks. I think he can have a big game and a more favorable matchup and, uh, hopefully, uh, he can show out. Jolly really is replacing Danny well by picking the giant star players as their ex-factors. Well, burn. Um, next week, next week is going to be a quarterback. I will do Jones is going to be his ex-factor unless it's a backup QB that I'll do it. All right. So you do know some talking giants ball. Yes. If it's a backup QB, if it's a backup QB, we're actually bringing Danny King back for emergency episode just so, or just for the giant factor, just like, hey, Danny, record your giant factor for this one. And then goodbye. I, I, I'm going to go Jermaine Elmanor. I know Miles Garrett, uh, did not practice and back-to-back days, um, but Miles Garrett is one of those players where you could not practice him and just like, I just show up on Sunday. Uh, so if he, but if even if he doesn't play, they have Zadari Smith on the opposite side, who's a great past rusher, a two way player, they're both two way players. I need it. I need Jermaine because they put a lot on his plate to protect the interior of this offensive line. Um, to not have a disaster game, right? You can have a below average game and I will be happy because, you know, you're not, we're not expecting you to stop best past rusters in the NFL. Well, you're, we're expecting for you is to not let the best past rusters in the NFL ruin an entire game plan. So Jermaine Elmanor, you are my week three giant factor. Justin, what do you got and I was, I know you just made fun of jolly for going with the stars of the team. I was going to go with Andrew Thomas because it's like, Oh, well, you know, the giants are probably going to lose this game. So let's just root for our star players to win that superstar matchup. Like I want to go on the Sunday post game pod saying, yeah, bad loss, but Andrew Thomas best and miles Garrett. And that was really fun, but I'm not going to do that since you just talked about the right tackle. I'm not going to make the left tackle by extractor. So maybe I'll go back to the defensive side of the ball. You know what? I fucking Brian Burns. That's what I was about to go with. You know what? Tyler Neuben. How about it, man? How about it? That's a good one. You've been physical in the run game to Sean Watson makes mistakes. He makes mistakes. Tyler Neuben, Bobby's been talking about it in the film review, Tyler Neuben takes chances. He's an all or nothing player. How about we get some all plays? I think if there's a path to victory for this New York football Giants, it's going to have to be that this defense is going to force some turnovers, put the offense in some optimal spots. Tyler Neuben, go out there, get your first interception, forced to Sean Watson to make some mistakes, continue to be physical in the run game. Go out there. Be a giant factor. That's a good one. Yeah. We need the for the Giants to win this game. The Giants need to create turnovers. They need this to be an ugly Brown's offensive game. So Tyler Neuben, be a giant factor. You know, you mentioned that 2020 game, Justin. Yeah. Who's that? Not one of the more memorable Giants games in the last five years. It was the first Sunday night football game in forever. It was Colt McCoy playing. Yeah. It was Joe Judge going for it on four down to be a substantial aggressive plays. You know, like the one time Joe Judge was aggressive on fourth down, people lost their mind on it. But it was like, they needed to do it. Your Thomas did shut down Miles Garrett. Freddy Kitchen was calling, if Freddy Kitchen was calling to play this because Jason Garrett got COVID and all of a sudden it was their most aggressive offensive game plan. Oh, that was, that was, that was one of my more memorable games in a, in a long time. And I remember being pissed that week because remember they put it against the Cardinals the week before Daniel Jones with the hamstring injury and let's put him out there. Clearly he gets, he injures his ankle in the first quarter. He's like out there just cannot move and they're, they're putting him out there in the fourth quarter. Well, he's getting fucking lit up. You got sacked eight times in that game guys just fucking up protections and stuff. He was one of the more memorable weeks as a Giants fan. That was a two zero prediction game from, I remember it. All right. Time for spread picks before you spread picks, Jolly, who are, who's bringing us spread picks. Oh, I'm so glad you asked Bob me because spread picks are brought to you by Captain Morgan. You guys know this already, but this NFL season, you need the right players in the game and sometimes you need to spice things up. The same goes for your drinks. We all know this by now. So when it gets bland, try Captain Morgan's original Spiced Rum because it's delicious and crisp, perfect for game day with friends and it really gets you there. So visit Captain Morgan dot com to find Captain near you. Please drink responsibly. Captain Morgan, original Spiced Rum, 35% alcohol by volume in York. Find the captain near you. Please drink responsibly. Thank you, Captain Morgan. You've been glad you did. Thank you. Thank you. I'll drive you a question. Who's the official Spiced Rum sponsor, the NFL. What do you want to say? That's for you. Captain Morgan, I win in trivia again. It's spread picks, spread picks. How about this? Jolly and the listeners are tied for first at eight and seven, jolly off of a three and four week. The listeners off for four and three week. And then me and Justin are tied for third at six and nine. Nice. My myself with a three and four week Justin with the four and three week. So I got to get to over 500 last year was my first year under it at one game. I got to get back over it. It's our first bad Thursday night football game. We got Patriots at jets minus six, even though I am a little bit interested to see how the Patriots defense will do against the Jets offense listeners represented by Gabe white man. Not a straight black man. I gave white man. I'm sorry. Gabe for making fun of your name. It's not middle school anymore. I'm going Patriots plus six though. I think their defense keeps this game tight and they might even fucking win this thing. Yeah, I'm going like jets 24 Patriots 20. So I think the paths cover this six points spread for sure. I think they can run the ball. They'll commit to it and the jets aren't don't have a good run defense. Yeah. Listeners agree. Jolly, do you agree? Are you going against the green? This is a good way for you to be in first place on Sunday, but I have to have picks. I believe in and I believe the Patriots will cover. Wow. We have not, you know that every single Thursday night game this year, us three have agreed that we're two and oh listeners are one and one, but we're there. All right. Two and oh, verse two and oh, we got chargers at Steelers minus one and a half. Justin, what do you got in this game? You're going to hate me. Steelers minus one and a half is really if Justin Herbert wasn't dealing with an injury. What would you say? I would still say Steelers minus one and a half. Okay. Jolly. What do you got? I got the chargers going on the road and beating the Steelers. I agree, man. Like I'm all in on the chargers and they're, you know, I picked them to win a lot of games this year and a part of that is I think their schedule is bad. And they, you know, they took advantage of that the first two weeks of the season. Their defense, I think they've been really good as a run defense. I think they're going to take advantage of, you know, not letting Justin Fields do the things that he's good at, I'm going chargers plus one and a half as well or as the listeners. Next game, we got Eagles at Saints minus two and a half. This feels like a big game in like 2018, 2019, but it's very, very different now. I'm all in on the Saints. Like I actually think the Saints are just a legitimately good team. I've been high on their defense all off season and now that their offense is coached by Clint Kubiak and Cookin, I'm in on the Saints, Saints minus two and a half. They go to three and oh, Eagles fall to one and two. Justin. Yeah. I'm going to go Saints minus two and a half. If this is a game where the Eagles had AJ Brown, I feel a lot different where the Eagles offense has some more answers, but they don't have those answers. It's Davante Smith and it kind of feels like bust. I know Dallas Scott. It's still their funny story about him, but you know, I don't feel threatened by Dallas Scott. Unlike Bobby. He was an eye and that's out the coat of bar. I know. Bobby Skinner and if you didn't feel threatened by him, either, that's why I punched him in the face. So give me Saints minus two and a half. Very interested to see though, if the Saints can continue to have an explosive offense against a Vic Vangio defense listeners agree, Jolly, do you agree? Now I'm going against the grain on this one. I'm taking the Eagles. I think they can recalibrate from last week, consider it a blip and move on to two and one. I just worry about this Eagles offense without. AJ Brown. AJ Brown. And the same, the Saints defense is really good. Like this. I know we're all excited about Clint Kubiak at the Saints OC, but this to me is about more about the Saints defense than it is their offense. Sake one bark. We also just can't break a tackle, so he's like fifth and yards per contact. He can't break a tackle. Texans at Vikings plus two, the Texans defense gives a lot of people trouble. You know, Brock Purdy took a lot of sacks last week and he's like, Oh, he's a Shanahan stopper. I know slow it comes from the Shannon entry, but the quarterbacks that have success against this Vikings defense are the ones that do full field reads process posts napper really well. And that's just straight out. They have options. Texans improve to three and I'm going Texas minus two. The listeners are going Vikings. Jolly. What do you got? I've picked Texans twice and I've gotten points twice, so I'm going to do it until they burn me. Give me the Texans. Actually, they didn't give you points twice because they were the one push last week. Go to who do you got? Shit. Vikings. Be different. Be bold. Yeah, at least we finally we got a two twos split in this and these picks. All right. We got Packers at Titans minus two. I don't think Jordan loves playing, but if it's not, it's the Malik Willis revenge game. Justin, what do you got in this one? Oh, man. I don't know. I haven't tracked Jordan loves progress. Give me Titans. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we'll have us played better than people given credit for last week. It's still going to be the Packers though. It's good. The floor's got him going. I'm going Titans. Um, I'm going, I'm going Titans minus two. This isn't fucking pussy, gross, Gus Bradley's defense is actually a really good defense. It's a good point. So even, even if Jordan loves plays, I think their defense can give the Packers offensive some fits. If Jordan loves plays, I would pick the Packers, but I'm betting he does. I'm going Titans minus two. Jolly. I also think they're going to give Jordan love one more week. I'm going to get a very shyly take the Titans here. I don't know how much I believe in it, but that's what I had in my board. I'm sticking to my board. Listeners are going Packers bears at Colts minus one, honestly, I could have kept this game off of the slate, but I didn't. I'm going, I'm going bears plus one and a half for reasons I just said. I hate Gus Bradley. I think he should be fired. This is the Caleb Williams first good game in the NFL. I'm going bears plus one and a half listeners are going cold. Justin, what do you got? Bears. Jolly bears, cold stink, I don't, tough. I need the bears to either, if they're not going to be good, they'd not get good quick. I could stop putting them on there because every year I just fall in love with the bears. Lions at Cardinals plus three, this probably is going to have the highest over under of the week. Jolly. What do you got? It does have the highest over under the week. You talked about it in our power ranking show. How do you really want to pick the Cardinals? Does it actually, did you look that up or are we just guessing like we guessed on power ranking? No. Oh, yeah. Do it. Do it. Do us a favor by the way. No, no, I'm actually saying we guessed on power rankings. We didn't look it up. I, I looked it up. I had it in front of me when I said, yeah, but I thought you were being sarcastic. I'm going to ask people to do it to do, do us a favor. If you want to go to war for us and you want to be like a, one of our bulldogs, go tell people on our power rankings videos that, that say that we're dumb, tell them that they're fucking stupid. How about that? Actually, I kind of, here's where we need to start having our separate power rankings list. Because what the issue is, is that we'll differ on certain teams and that will drop that team down a little bit, even if they're higher, you know, a little higher, but it will move up. Like the Cowboys shouldn't have moved up this week. Even if you're not like out on the Cowboys, they shouldn't have moved up this week. And they did because me and you differed on a few of the other teams where like I would have them in the top 10 and then you and the teens and vice versa. All right. So maybe, maybe we can split the screen in two. We're like on the right side of the screen, we have my right. Yeah. That's what we should do. We should have our own power rankings. Maybe that may be sensory overload for people, we'll see, you know, but I want to have my own power rank. It's like, I went in the, I went in both post and comment at mine, but these are mine. People will stick your picture. I'll pick in the lines because I kind of get it. Like I get being mad that the Cowboys moved up last week, listeners are going lines as well. So am I that the lions got to win this game. They have to win this game. They can't lose this game or else I might get a little worried about them. And what do you got? Cardinals. Who? I love the offense. Ravens at Cowboys plus one. I actually crossed out my original answer because I, this is the game I have the toughest time making a prediction on because Lamar only has one loss against the NFC team. Happens to be the Giants, but the, the main factor in that is that it was against Wink Martindale who coached against him every day for a couple of years. But I just think this Cowboys team is a lot better. And then Micah Parsons versus that deep, that offensive line can wreck the game, but I'm just going to go Cowboys plus one and not, not do the Lamar versus NFC thing, even though I think that's an actual real thing because it's hard to prepare for him when you don't have to prepare for him, except for once every four years. Ravens running the ball against that Cowboys interior and those linebackers are fascinating. Like the Ravens could have a good day, but I, I think the Cowboys could score points and they can score them in a hurry if they want to. Yeah, I agree. So that's the thing where I don't, if the Ravens get a lead and then they play with that lead and then they play time of possession, great, but I, I just think the Cowboys are going to take care of business. So give me the Cowboys. I just don't see how they stop CD land. Right. Um, now here's the other thing is the Cowboys Russian game is awful. Yeah, awful. So I think there are just two flaw teams that will probably make the playoffs. But I'm going Cowboys listeners are going Ravens, Jolly, what do you got? The Ravens will fall to 0 and three. I'm going to see other things like kind of actually pick the Ravens to go 0 and three. I don't know. Sorry. I'm going. It's okay. All righty. And then last game of the week, we got chiefs at Falcons plus three and a half. This is only when I didn't write down. So I guess I'm having a tough time with this one listeners are going chiefs. Jolly. What do you got? I don't want to saw last week and I kind of left the Falcons defense. I hate their offense. I'm still worried about Kirk's legs a little bit, but yeah, ride the magic. Give me the Falcons. Live a little. Oh, my high school mascot was the Falcons and then the announcer, it sounded like the same. Fucking. Oh, fuck. Oh, fucking. I'm going chiefs. You know what? I kind of just had an epiphany like why the fuck would you not take Patrick Mahomes versus an immobile Kirk cousins? I'm going chiefs. Justin. What do you got? Yeah, I'm also going to go chiefs. Still. Time for giants at Cleveland Browns for predictions. Jolly. What do you got? I think this one's going to be a defensive slog. I haven't really seen a lot of ground game. I don't know how much room the Giants are going to have to run anything sophisticated in their offense. Big week for the O line. Let's see how real this is. But I do have the Giants following this game. I'm going to say 13 to 10 Justin 1913. Browns win. That was a big year. They giants did enough last week to where they're not, you know, where it's just like, oh, they can't, they can play a little bit of football against bad teams. The Cleveland Browns offense is really bad. The Cleveland Browns defense is really good. But you know what? Screw Baker Mayfield, screw Odell Beckham Jr, screw Cleveland, I'm going giant 77 Brown zero. Give me a 2021 Saints game. Give me a delusion game where it's like, Oh, are we actually figuring it out? Right. Just give me that. I know this season is not going to be a good season. Give me a delusion game where it's like we beat the Browns defense. We could be two and two next week. If we beat the Cowboys on a short week, they're flawed. Like it literally give me 2021 all over again, giant 77 Brown zero. We'll see you guys on Monday for a recap pod until then let's go big blue. [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Man, I love those warehouse games. I wish I could watch them on TV. Oh, wait. Now you can. We've partnered with Bally Sports to bring the warehouse games to your living room starting right now. If you tune into your local Bally Sports channel and your cable provider to watch the warehouse games broadcast before and after MLB games, check your local listings, baby. 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