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The sun has gone down and the moon has come up and long ago somebody left with the cup, but he's driving and striving and hugging the turns and thinking of someone for whom he still burns. Welcome to Talking Giants presented by Seakey. I'm your host Bob is going to hear with my co-host, Justin Pentagon. We've got a week to mail back. We're going to talk about Daniel Jones, Malik neighbors, the Giants offensive line, some good, some good old line talk, some negative defense talk. Justin, we're going to do a lot of talk and how are you? That's what we do. On the show, we app, we talk, we bring the boom, told you I was going to do it once every episode. I gave you an end later in the episode, I thought you'd wait. Damn it, I didn't wait. Justin, we've got some good questions on this episode, so we're going to get right into it. We're not going to waste any time. First episode was brought to you by some special people. We've got John saw her off. He ain't on. He's off. 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I think that's our first over mailbag in the same room. How about that? Yes. Next question. Dog analytics. Dog underscore analytics. That was easy. As the offensive line found its identity, how has the performance and scheme under Carmel Purcell measured up to your expectations so far, Bobbie Scanner? Great question by Doug. He really teed it up, and I'm actually going to use some stuff from Doug where he pulled up some stats that confirmed what I was doing. I was posting about and clipping up from the game for the Giants all-out run game. But I haven't just been impressed with the Giants offensive line ever since I've been doing this. And since before we've been doing this, I was really, really impressed with them in multiple ways. And it's not just like, "Oh, we got all pro left tackle, a pro ball right tackle, and our interior is one of the best in the NFL." It's really not that. I don't think the guys on the interior of the offensive line have been these standout players. But what they're doing as a unit, I think, is beautiful. So in the run game, Justin, they ran Duo, which is a double team man run concept where you're trying to create as many double teams as possible. You are taking care of the first level of the defense and then walking into those linebackers. You are blocking into the linebackers. The Giants, they did that 61% of the time in week two, after only doing it once in week one. And Carmon Brasil ran the seventh most in the NFL last year at 31%. And the Giants ran at double that rate last week. And you know what? The run game wasn't awful in week one, but it wasn't good. They're running a lot of zone and wide zone. I don't think that fits this personnel in the way Vikings were playing it. So the Giants, that's why I said, you know, kill him, you know, kill him with Duo, just Duo than the death. And they did it and they ran the ball really, really well. Just good, you know, like, think about how like bad the Giants rush offense has been outside of the first half of 2022, you know, over the last handful of years. Where a five yard run feels great. This last week, a five yard run was like disappointed, where I'm like, yeah, this wasn't as good. I'm like, oh, but it's a five, six yard run. And like they kept like, and they're going to keep doing this and you can build off of it, right? So if they keep doing this, which they should and they must, if they don't want to be pissed. Well, guess what? You're going to have, you're going to have linebackers crashing down towards the line and scrimmage harder. You're going to have defensive tackles working to control double teams and not just, you know, get up field. And you're going to get them bringing DBs in the box. We'll talk about, you know, the stuff they're doing with the run game. And what is that going to do? That's going to open up some play action stuff. And then you can start running outside the tackles, right? When they are coming downhill at you, that's when you can get out on the corner. I think the Giants are going to set that up. And they're also like play calling wise. They're not running in the stack boxes. No, I chart every week stack runs versus light box runs. And the Giants with Saquan or who, you know, it's not Saquan's fault, but they would just run in the stack boxes all the time. And 21 of Devin Singletary's 25 runs have been against light boxes, right? And on the NFL, what do I say all the time? The NFL is a matchup game, right? It's a numbers game. Do you have the numbers up front and favorable run fronts? Do you have the numbers up front to match up against the defense? If the answer is yes, I love running the ball. And it's very beneficial. You should run the ball and light boxes when you have a numbers advantage. 100%. And they have over a four yards per carry and a touchdown on their five stack box runs this year, which is still great, too. Over five yards per carry versus light box. Like, I taught, we talked about like the benefits of car and bersillo because me and you did believe in them. But what I didn't believe in a car and bersillo is he just makes bad offensive line and turns into a good offensive line. What he does is has them work as a unit, right? So like Evan Neal is not magically fixed because he had, you know, time to work with a car and bersillo this offseason. John Michael Smith's, like, you know how much I love JMS coming on the draft was disappointed in his rook here. I'm not taking a JMS victory lap. Like I've yet to see him just go and beat guys one on one. But that's what the Giants offensive line is not doing. They're not forcing guys to play one on one. Like pass protection wise. I mean, besides, I mean, are they Andrew Thomas is on an island. Yes, Andrew Thomas and Jermaine element. So this is what they're doing, which this is, this is why. I mean, I think it's karma bersillo number one. And then number two, this is why having adequate good tackle play. There's a reason why left tackle is the second most important position in the game of football. And there's a reason why right tackle isn't too far behind it, especially when you have a right-handed quarterback. You know, right, right tackle just isn't as important as left tackle, but it's still very, very important. And this is why tackle plays so important in the NFL because I think it does make everybody else a little bit better. Instead of having a guard whose main, like we were talking all off season about how it's going to be John Runyon's, John Runyon is going to help out Evan Neal. Well, how about we ask John Runyon to just be a good fucking football player and not having to help out Evan Neal and help out this and have tight ends that constantly are chipping to help out these tackles. Let's have all of its alignment and tackles take care of business. So then I think it makes the interior's offensive line a lot easier, right? Absolutely, right. And pass protection wise, like they're getting into the correct protections every single time. There's not these misassignments, they're getting two sets of hands-on guys, right? Like the commanders do things to try and create Alan and Payne to get a one-on-one. And the Giants countered that. It's like, nope, we're doubling both of you on these plays. They're trusting their office of tackles to do a good job. You know, the tight ends are blocking well, which is a huge part, right? We were talking about this pre-show, Justin, where I was like, you know, my take of like, I don't really want a tight end if you can't block unless he's like a top five receiving. I think one year of Darren Waller not being able to block, remind me why, you know, why I believe that. You know, they're building their play action off of their run concepts. You know, it's not just random shit, they're picking up stunts. They are just like doing a really good job, man. And it's fun to watch. It's so refreshing to watch competent offensive line play. And let's look at some numbers, pass protection wise. Oh, I have numbers on that. The Giants. Let me just compare this year to verse last year. Do it. The Giants in week one last year, they're going to give five sacks, three QB hits and nine, 19 pressures. This year, I'm their first two games, two sacks, seven QB hits and eight pressures. That's 10 total less and two games. That's three sacks less and two games. Yeah. Like that's insane number. That's 27 total bad plays versus 17 total bad plays. We're talking about a difference of two games versus one. Right. And just some individual pass blocking numbers too. Andrew Thomas is 11th in overall pass blocking efficiency and Jermaine Elmanor is 30th. And true pass sets. However, our Andrew Thomas is tied for first in efficiency and true pass sets where Jermaine is 22nd. John Runyon is 20th in pass blocking efficiency. And Greg Van Rotten is 45th out of 61 guard to qualify. JMS is tied for 12th in pass blocking efficiency. And those true pass sets, he drops down to 15th. But if Greg, if we're talking, I mean, I would even celebrate this, Bobby. I mean, we would have our best guard over the last couple of years. If there's 61 guard to qualify, our best guard would be 45th and not Greg Van Rotten, who's. Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't even say that. Greg Van Rotten has not played well. If Greg Van Rotten, Greg Van Rotten hasn't played well. And Greg Van Rotten, maybe our worst offensive line. I think I've noticed it for maybe three plays this year. Like it's been glaring for three plays. Not an entire game, not an entire series. I mean, it's, it's glaring every once in a while, but I mean, it's not totally noticed. This episode is brought to you by MLB nine innings 24. MLB nine innings is one of the most popular baseball titles on Google play in the app store for the past eight years with millions of downloads around the world. You can collect over 2,000 player cards from the past and present and they got a new star studded cast of historic players, including Sammy Sosa, Warren Spahn. Roger Rodriguez, Ricky Henderson and doc holiday download and play MLB nine innings 24 today. Well, well, and that's the thing is when that like one, which is a win, like him being their worst one is a, is a huge win to win. He's given up two quarterback hits and six pressures in two games, right? And again, here's the thing. I'm not having quick losses when they do lose. They are not quick. So they're like, like some of their losses have been on play as we're Daniel Jones is throwing the ball 30 40 yards down the field. So they're just working together well as a unit and the run game, they're taking care of the first level. They're leaning on guys and they're just getting into the rights, protections every time, you know, if whether that's, you know, JMS and, and Bursil will be on the same page of what they want. It's been really enjoyable to watch. Now Cleveland's going to give them a test. Like I don't think any other team in the NFL can give them a test. I got it. I don't, I really don't think another team in the NFL can test them more than what Cleveland's going to do, especially on the schedule. So if they can even look slightly below average versus Cleveland, I feel like that's another dub. Right. Right. Um, they were fifth in the NFL in rushing yards per play this week at 5.9. Um, they're, they're 19th in a rushing EPA per play, which that's a win. Last year, I think they're not getting a lot of QB rushing yards either. No, no. So I mean, I, I consider it's a win and something that we talked about over the summers, we, we saw kind of the early developments of this is going to be an offensive line that's going to work together. They moved well together and training camp. We saw a lot of those double teams and do what we saw a lot of that over the summer. So the fact that at least it translated in week two, um, is a, is a really good sign. And it's even making Devin Singletary look really good too and allowing Devin Singletary to do some good stuff, which we have a question on him later. There are some fun stats on him and we'll even talk about that later. Absolutely. All right. Justin, next question. No, my last, last note on the offensive line, it's a shame that, you know, we just spent the first 10, you know, the last 10 minutes of the show talking about the offensive line. I had a tweet, I had a thought Monday morning. It's a shame that this is the best offensive line that we've, that we've seen and it's going to be a footnote. It's going to wind up being a foot, it's going to be, it's going to wind up being a footnote on this season, the best offensive line that the Giants have had in like a decade. There's a chance it could just be a footnote. And that's, and that sucks. It won't be the footnote on the O line report because I get the O line reports are back, baby. They're back, baby. And you want to know what's back? Antony is adoring has asking me to read an ad, my good friend, Antony, an old boy. Man, you got to read his thing. Oh, it's, well, his cure here. Okay. His question. Next question. Antony. Just read the ad already. You ruined it. Sorry. Justin. All right. Read the ad already. Let's be able to talk about Mountain Dew. You know, we all need to get more of off our ass, baby. Oh, BB five is tomorrow, Bobby's favorite thing, Blitzball battle five. You're going to, you're going to be in Blitzball battle six. Mountain Dew is a big sponsor of that. And guess what? It's going to be nine a.m. It's going to be one p.m. It's going to be three p.m. There's going to be games going on all day during the warehouse. And I'm going to, I'm going to be off mass. I'm on my ass right now. I'm going to be off my ass. I'm going to be an umpire. I'm going to lay down the law. And I'm, and I'm going to have Mountain Dew to literally get me through the entire day. Other Blitzball battles where I'm an umpire, I'm just standing there. I'm doing nothing. I don't have anything refreshing. I don't have any, I don't have a refreshing citrus kick to help me get through the day. I'm going to have Mountain Dew. And Mountain Dew, it's like one of my dream, it's like one of my dream products. I love Mountain Dew. I watched Dale Junior growing up. Mountain Dew was on his car. I loved it. I have a Dale Junior Mountain Dew car. I have probably multiple. So I love Mountain Dew. Thank you to Mountain Dew. It's going to have me, have me feeling like I'm on an actual mountain where the weather is perfect. Your friends are ready to hang and a day of effort proportions awaits tomorrow at the warehouse. The mountain is calling. You should answer. Grab your friends, grab a nice cold Mountain Dew wherever refreshing beverages are sold and do the do. You'd be glad you did. You glad you did. Next question. Question is coming from Stanley Roper at Bob_Dolobelania, that's not how you say it, Dobelina 85. That's how you say it. Did the linebacker struggle last game or was it the D-line? Seems a bit of both. What's the quickest way? Boeing can adjust and alleviate some of these huge run plays. Well, now it's time to talk with the Shane Bowen defense, which is not fun to talk about. Did he ask whether it was more the linebackers or the D-line? Yeah. Well, I think you forgot about the DBs because they're a big issue in this too. I mean, the Janice run defense has been really bad, and Shane Bowen came and was like, "Ah, look, has run defense at our top 16 every year?" And then I did my film streams with him, and I was like, "I just don't know if the Janice have the dogs on this front to win in the run game the way that they do." And right now they're 28th in total Russian defense, 29th in yards per carry. They are bad on the front level. They're really bad on the back level, and they're mid in the middle level, the line backers, right? The D-line's bad, the secondary's awful, and then the line backers are all right. And we'll start with the line, but Bobby O'Karake has played in a scheme like this in Indy, and he was really good, but he didn't play like a mad man in the run game in Indy getting downhill and taking on blocks. That's not the strength of his game. But also I think O'Karake mentioned last year where it took him a little bit to trust the scheme fully. Yeah. I'm not worried about O'Karake at all. He hasn't looked bad. He just hasn't looked like the playmaker that he did last year. McFadden has had some bad moments, but I think he's played overall above average, and you know, the run defense. The issue is the D-line and the DBs. The edges are aligning wide. They're not setting the edge at all, right? They're not setting it with force. The D-line and not named Dexter Lawrence are getting dominated. And whenever Dexter Lawrence is off the field, they feel like it's an automatic temp plus your run. Yeah. It's just easy for them, right? We're going to double team this D-line, and we're going to move him where we want. And now we're going to get to the second level. We're going to talk about the linebackers. It's hard for the linebackers to play well when they can just control the defense align with how exactly how they want. And then the DBs are awful, like, really, they're only two good run defending DBs right now are Tyler Neuben and Andrew Phillips. They're rookies. Right? Like Pinoc has been like kind of a net neutral in it, but like basically fought, Dory Jackson, and Deontay Banks have been awful. Like, like, they've, they've screwed themselves. It's also the structure of it. Right. I talk about the wide edges. Well, let's talk about light boxes. They're playing from light boxes 67% of the time. Yeah. And, and there's like plays where I'm getting mad at Macka McFadden or Deontay Banks for not filling the right way. But then I'm like looking at myself, like, okay, but this was still a five yard run. Even if they fit this perfectly, this is a five yard run. So it's the structure of it. It's the guys not being great run defenders. And it's something I've talked about for a long time and DBs are a huge part of your run defense. Huge. If you're drafting, if you're not drafting DBs, looking at their run defense and having that being a huge part of what they are, they better be fucking sauce gardener out there or else they're, they're not worth drafting. And they've been a huge part of it. The D line has been awful. I don't know what this is like, you know how like there was excitement for Elijah Chapman and camp Justin, right? And I was like, I was happy for him individually. But like, I was not excited. I was like, this sucks. This sucks that Elijah Chapman's going to get playing time for this defense. This guy wasn't some dominant defense alignment in college. He's undersized. DJ Davidson. It looks like a better pass rusher than his run defender and all fairness to Elijah Chapman. It's not Elijah Chapman. He shouldn't be in this spot. Jordan, I mean, you know, there's, I'm watching, you know, you're watching Cowboys film and, you know, Cowboys just got their ass kicked by the Saints. And it's because they have no interior defense alignment depth and no linebacker depth. Jordan Phillips is getting moved into Dallas too. They refuse to acknowledge interior defense alignment to this offseason. It went from, it went from a strength for a lot of years to a weakness in 2022 back to a strength last year with not Joe or with a, you know, Leonard Williams and then a Sean Robinson and a notch. It was the fourth guy. And then now it's a, it's as weak as it's ever been. But it's a lot of it is the defensive structure too. You can't play from a light box is 67% of the time have cave on and Brian Burns be the edges that you have out there, have your D line be awful outside of Dexter Lawrence and then have your corn and your, your corners not be good at it. Right. Like they're the two, you know how Brian Robinson, Jr. had the two longest runs of his career. You know who was the blame on both those runs? Deontte Banks and Cordell Flott, yeah, but I don't, I don't blame them because they shouldn't be put in that situation. I mean, Corda, flott and that play and the flott one was awful. The flott one was awful where that's been Brian Robinson disappears into the mass amount of human beings. And then boom, he emerges. And it's like, well, how did he just disappear and levitate from one of the, it's because Cordell Flott tries to go in and punch the football out instead of wrapping Brian Robinson up and trying to slow him down. And then Robinson just, just runs away. So it's, it's, it's not good man. I mean, I, I have some stats here, um, a court, according to the next gen and I kind of just want to go through the categories and see if I can find one good stat. And I am going to tell you there's actually one stat that the Giants are decent in, but I'm going to tell you why it's bad. So rushing yards per play, their fourth worst 10 plus yards run aloud. Their second Colts have allowed 15 Giants, 13 jets, 11. I mean, the jet, you know, we saw the jets on national television allow a lot of runs of them, the Titans, which don't have a great offensive line. So the Giants are 13. The Giants have played really good run, uh, run rushing units too. Yeah. So it's 13 runs of 10 plus yards that the Giants have allowed. Now the team's stuff rate, the amount of the, the rate of runs that are stuffed at the line of scrimmage, the Giants are middle of the pack. They're 18th, but why I think they're getting killed in yards per play, why I think they're getting killed in an EPA per rush, which, which they're seventh highest. It's because they're allowing the explosive runs yards after contact per attempt. The Giants are second, second highest in the NFL. We're not tackling well. We're having runs that were initially making contact with a guy at one to two yards and it's turning into four or five yard gains. And then Bobby mentioned the, the light boxes stacked boxes stat. He mentioned 67% of the time he charted it himself. Next gen has it at 73.8%. And that's the second high, the second highest rate of a light box in the NFL. Second highest. So it's not good man. When you have edge, when you have edge rushers that are supposed to be doing a better job, not setting the edge and you have interior defense alignment depth that you struggle with. And I mean, I mean, also like, I don't think Washington was spreading it out. I'm sure I don't have stats behind this, but I'm sure like the identity of their team is 12 personnel, like, because they have two tight ends that they like and they believe in. So why if they're going out there in 12 and if they're going out there and some tighter formations or shit like that, I don't know why. And also why are we, it's Jay and Daniels. He wasn't going to kill you deep down the field. Why are you not stacking the box? Yeah. It's been, it was brutal. It's not like you're facing Josh Allen. Yeah. Again, it's one thing if you're, that's your, you know, identity against the commanders, you should be stacking the box. I don't get it. So especially when you're bad against the run, like, all right, let's, let's make an adjustment. Let's make an adjustment. And no adjustments were. Yeah, there's going to like, if she doesn't make adjustments, he's just a flat up bad defensive coordinator. Yeah. Sucks, sucks, sucks, sucks, sucks. That's what I have on that. Next question. It's coming from Brian, Brian Quigley at B P quigs in this defensive scheme. We continue to get limited edge play. Is there any hope for this season? Young, not great secondary and an offense that doesn't light up the scoreboard. It seems like a bad combo with no pass rush. So Bobby, I guess we talked about the run defense. Let's talk about the past defense. Yeah. And this, just talking about what the like, I have not enjoyed watching this defense at all in the first two weeks. And it's not even like, Oh, well, what's the philosophy of it? Man, there's just, you know, like, you know, me just, I, I nerd out out of like great defensive disguises. You love, you love schematics. I think schematics and talking schematics is the your most favorite part of a group. A great disguise on defense man is beautiful. And I just, they're not there, right? Even if you hated the way Patrick Graham, like called a defense, you would see like, man, this is good shit right here. This is why the giants are getting all these interceptions. Like they're just, what is the advantage of this giant defense? Like they play in crazy soft zones, like crazy soft zones, like I'm talking, it happened to all game in the commander's through the ball behind the line of scrimmage. It drove me nuts when Jayden Daniels, for the first time, all game really made a big boy read and threw that ball to Noah Brown. All right. Made a big boy read made that. All right. So let's keep them out of field goal range. The next play, they're lining 10 yards off, they throw a screen and now they're in field goal range. Right. So it's, it's just playing off coverage. There's not much candy to bait the quarterbacks outside of just rolling the safety down, which is basically, which is pretty basic. You know, they don't blitz very much outside of a handful of times, Justin. The edges are not dominating. And then you'll get the film people who I am, one of them will go like, Hey, Brian burns isn't playing awful. He's not playing awful. He's getting chipped every play. But guess what? Like do something to avoid that. Good defensive coordinators, if we're dependent on Brian burns and cave on tip of a winning and winning quickly, one, this off coverage, this off, you know, zone coverage is doesn't work well with that. If you're relying on your rush, you need to give your Ed Drushers time to get back there. And if you're playing, and if you're playing soft, then you're allowing stuff underneath and do things with your front to get those guys one on ones. And you're rushing for like, I feel like they've rushed three more than they did five this last week, like, yeah, they're going to be able to get hands on them. And that's part of the issue with Brian burns as good as a rusher is. If you do chip and get a, you know, and give, give help because he doesn't play with natural strength as, you know, his power rushes come from speed to power that if you do get hand, like, you know, give a chip, it does limit what he does as a rusher. So like you're not doing anything out of that. And you know, whether, whether you, whether you think cave on and burns are playing well or not, here's something they're not producing. And you want to blame the defensive scheme, you want to blame those guys pick, pick whatever you want. But the cave on is 41st. And Brian burns is 46 in pass rush production out of 51 edge rusher that a 51 they're 41st and 46. Why? Why is that? Now they're 29th and 30th in pass rush win rate. So better than that. So that speaks a little bit to the scheme of Shane bone, but also I think those guys just need to play better. And they're just it's a I hate to use the word bland because it's like a radio casual. I just need something to blame talking point, but it is a extremely bland defense that allows teams to run on them. It allows team to work quick passes and it doesn't really pressure the quarterback at all. I'll go back. And it comes into this man and it's a it's a commander specific talking point. Why are we why are we giving receivers cushion at the line when we're playing Janine Daniels when we're playing an offense that number one is running a lot of screens. And number two, an offense that was just so disinterested in throwing the ball down the field. Are we are we that afraid of the secondary is is the front office is the is the defensive coaching staff? Are we that afraid of this secondary that we can't trust them to play? Not even press, but just play closer up to the line. This Washington offense was disinterested in throwing the ball down the field. They were not going to get big plays by throwing the ball down the field. It just wasn't going to happen. So I that's what it comes down to for me against such a they're doubling number one wide receivers when the rest of the DB like you got to trust banks one on one a little more often, even though he hasn't been great. It's just it's been like. If you ask me what the identity of this defense is, it's doubling, making sure that number one wide receiver doesn't beat you. Okay. And letting everybody else beat you like that like sick through two games. Terry McLaurin and Justin Jefferson really haven't done a gotten a lot of volume, even though Justin Jefferson had big plays, McLaurin had a couple of nice conversions. And the other identities are getting a gash in the run game and just giving up quick short games. It's the explosive run plays that are that are the killers. It's it's it's the killer. You can't have it. Can't have it. I it's like I almost I almost don't even have a full read on the secondary quarter flots had some bad plays. Adore Jackson has had some bad play. I don't know what an answer is at CB two, by the way, do we do we have a question on like what do you what you're opinion on and see and do we Jackson's just got to play? I mean, but still like he he had a bit he had a he wasn't targeted, but he had a bad play where he got beat on a double move this weekend. Oh, to in his fairness, I know what player talking about and I put that play in the film review. I think I did. I might have forgot to talk with it is that was a blitz that was supposed to get home and get the ball out quick. I think he was kind of betting on the blitz getting there and it did and biting on that, but he did get his you can't lose like that either. So regardless, I'm not going to football football is a football is a simple game and every NFL team wants to run the ball. There's very few of them that like the Cincinnati Bengals that are just going to throw the ball in no matter what every team they want to they want to run the ball and they and if they can, they will run it at will and if the until the Giants stop align these explosive runs on a routine basis, then you know, it almost doesn't even matter, you know, if Brian Burns gave on Thibodeau, if these guys are getting home, if they're allowing these runs of 10 plus yards at a at a top five rate, this this is going to be a bad defense until they get that fixed. Absolutely. Absolutely. And if you do have a defense, even if you do have the person, I don't love this defense anyways. All right. Just our next question. John Sullivan at Sully Stone seven. Hey, do we have a kicker or do we need to just read another ad? We do need to just read another ad when I put this one in there. The Giants did sign kicker Greg Joseph after after this was put in there. 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So the play action game has not been used a lot and not very well. If the Giants continue to run like they did versus the commandant, they're not going to have fucking nine yards per carry every single week. But really leaning on teams. I do think the Giants are going to get back to being using play action a lot and using it successfully like they did in 2022, because like I mentioned before, the Giants 21 of single Terrace 26 rushes have been against light boxes that will not continue, right? And when you get stacked boxes, it gives you more space to do that play action. It's also like it's natural that if teams are going to be playing the run a little more and playing that they're going to be get sucked up a little more, which is going to be more space behind them. And so and I think the Giants will look to get because I don't think Jones is going to operate just straight dropback, read leverage, push the ball down the field and Dave was going to want to push the ball down the field. I think their explosives are going to be out of play action. So yes, I don't, it'll be interesting to see, you know, how quick it happens, but I do think more use of play action and better efficiency and play action is coming eventually. It's just kind of, but Singletary has has played good, right? Like the O line is doing their job. He's making the guy he's responsible for miss, you know, I know you have some numbers on that. It looks good, but I do think the play action game, I don't know when it's going to start being used more and better, but I do think it's coming. They are ninth in an overall play action rate, which 25%, which honestly, like, I thought it would be, I thought it would be the 33 QBs and play action dropback rate. I thought it would be, I thought it would be higher to start the year, just because they did it so much during the preseason, and I thought that that was going to be a stay. I'm glad that they're not spamming it. You shouldn't, you shouldn't spam it. We saw what happened in 2022 when you spam a, you can spam it when teams adjust, you adjust back off of it. Right. Saints are spamming and I love it. They are spamming it. They are number one, they're 45.2% play action rate right now. How do you like that? I love the Saints. I love the Saints. Um, do you want to talk about Devin Singletary? How does it look good? Yeah. Yeah. Um, Devin Singletary has looked very, very good. Here's some numbers for you. You like this. Devin Singletary has forced the most missed tackles per touch in the NFL so far this year. You want to know who has forced the least amount of missed tackles per touch in the NFL so far this year? Don't say it. Segment Barkley because it's true. Um, and then also Devin Singletary has been good in efficiency as well in efficiency according to the next gen measured to your ability to be a north south runner. Devin Singletary is ninth in efficiency according to next gen out of all running backs, which is very, very good. I've been happy with Devin Singletary. His, his one cuts have been fun. Um, and I did say it on Sunday. Like an all, an all seriousness like this was, this was a legit critique I had of Segment Barkley as the years have gone on. I do not feel like he was able to break tackles at the same way in 2018 and 2019. Do I think this Devin Singletary is the best person at breaking tackles in the NFL through the first two weeks of the NFL season is going to continue? No, I don't think he's the best running back in the NFL doing that. He's pretty good at it. But he's been good at it. And if it is entire career he's able to do it. Yeah. So let's, let's keep it up. Devin Singletary early impressions. Two thumbs up for me. And it's a lot easier to make guys miss when the offensive line is doing their job. And then you have like, you know, I broke down a couple runs on, you know, the OA liner poor and the film review and the line is, hey, the, the offensive line is responsible for and tight ends are responsible. These seven guys, you're responsible for him. You make him miss. Like that's how you draw up on a whiteboard and whenever you drop a run play because the quarterback's not blocking and the running backs running, there's going to be someone that's not blocked. You're responsible for those guys and Singletary has done a good job of winning those, right? That's how they got the 24 yard run instead of an eight yard run. The touchdown run, right? It was blocked. Great. But if Singletary doesn't make a guy miss, it's a four, it's a four yard run instead of a seven yard touchdown run. So Singletary's looked good. I loved his home run celebration on a homage to a fellow FAU legend, Alfred Morris, people who listened to talking to Johnson 2020 know the Alfredites are better than the Gormanites. Seven Singletary has been good, Justin. They've been Singletary has been good. How about that? Do you think they should lean more into a run heavy team? Lean more into it? Yes, until teams start stacking the box, especially when you're playing like this week. You know me, Justin. Like I can put together a path of victory. The fucking Browns defense, dude, like I don't know if I ever want to pass against them. Let's check. Oh, I don't want to run against them either, but I definitely. All right. Yes, yes. I do. I do think they should until teams. Brown's defense is not that great against the run so far this year. But think about 2022, Justin, right? And we've been pretty good at calling this part in camp is like run, run the damn ball. We have t-shirts of run the damn ball 2020 to go by him, right? And then defenses started really adjusting. And we were like, we were like, stop running the damn ball, stop the play action and like teams are doing this and throw the ball, work, drop a passing, drop back, passing game. It worked, right? So right now, yes, if teams start stacking the box and throwing a bunch of different run fits at you, then get away from it. But until that happens, yes, run the ball. And that's one thing. Dable has, I think has been best about him as just as an offensive mind is his ability to adjust to the way defenses have played him. Right. And more him than Kafka because they was the play caller now. Are you ready for the next question? Next question. Next question is coming from Nooner at one giant Nooner after last week's offensive performance. Do you feel more confident that they will be able to compete with the teams in the upcoming few games? I mean, Bobby, for me, it's a no because I understand what the efficiency numbers say. Like I looked at week two. The Giants were sixth in the NFL and EPA per play during week two. I'm sorry. It's still only resulted in 18 points. I understand they barely had the football and that's FU defense resulted in 18 points and it still resulted less than 200 passing yards. This is this is one scenario where you're like, Oh, Justin, you believe in these advanced numbers in the advanced numbers said that the Giants out of top six offense a week two and you're still not believing in it. It's again against the commanders. I'm sorry. I need to see some of those box score stats against commanders. I need to be creeping towards 30 points. I need to be getting over 200, you know, 225 passing yards against the commanders. And I just think there's that much of a talent discrepancy between the commander's defense, the commander's secondary, and then the secondaries and the defenses that we have coming up like the Cleveland Browns, like the Dallas Cowboys, like the Pittsburgh Steelers, some of those defenses that we have coming up are very, very different. Absolutely. Like the commanders are just a bad defense. I don't understand why they play the way they do. So like we talked about on the preview pod because it was pretty grim on Jones going into this game. And I was like, I don't have this long this faith in DJ, but I was like, I feel like he can just hit guys and man against man coverage against the commander. And he did. They run a lot of man coverage and they're bad. What I didn't see is a lot of great posts in that processing. In fact, you saw some bad in there in the very few times where they did run zone or run different types of coverage, as you saw, that's where you saw the issues of it. Like the large majority of the good plays were just simply neighbors and slate and winning versus their guys. Yeah. Right. Like you think of the big plays, like their two biggest plays on offense were dry drive routes, which are one, two yards and then this and then just straight down the line. Like if a quarterback has got time, he better be able to hit them, especially the way Malik neighbors was open. So no, this doesn't give me any like long-standing, you know, like confidence in it. What it did is like, okay, at least he can hit throws within 20 yards. You know, he was still 0 for four on the 20-plus yard throws. You know, they ran like, I think 10 or more just conversion routes on the outside, whereas like if they're playing off, run a curl on the outside. If they're not run a go and they had a lot of success first that. So what I do have hope for belief in this offense is, you know, the run game like we talked about. I think Malik neighbors is clearly going to get a thousand yards this year, but I got to see more from Daniel Jones, not for like talking about his future, just to get through this season and view him as like the Jacobi Brissette type of quarterback, where it's like he's a good bridge starter type guy. Yeah. Well, here's what I have confidence in. I have confidence in hopefully Brian Dable continuing to scheme up scenarios and situations where Malik neighbors is getting yards after the catch. They've gotten rid of concepts that DJ is comfortable with. Like I know they ran that mesh traffic, Justin. Mesh has been this team's go to third down play golf for two years successfully. They haven't ran it one time. Not one time. They didn't run it. They ran the mesh traffic on the two point conversion or that's, that wasn't even really true of mesh that because it wasn't meshes the, the two driver outs crossing. They just put three drive and crossers from one side to create the Tyrone Tracy to get open. What you didn't do. It didn't work. They haven't run that one single time. Like that when I go through my film review, it's like mesh, mesh whip, all the variations. They haven't run it one single time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I feel confident in Malik neighbors maybe getting open, getting separation. I feel confident that the offensive line is giving Daniel Jones a pocket to throw in on third down or for some of these long developing throws, which is really nice. That touchdown is a, is a sort of kind of long developing throw where there's guys that, you know, you're running in that tight formation, that condensed formation on the left hand side. There are receivers that are running their routes to one side to try and clear space for Malik neighbors. Malik neighbors doesn't move at the snap of the ball. It kind of does like a little hesitation. Then he moves, he kind of jogs in fine space, touchdown. It's kind of a longer developing play. The third down plays to Wanda Robinson, we've seen that a couple times. That's kind of like a longer, those are some of those guys are longer developing plays. So I feel confident in that, but in terms of consistency and diversity of plays that work, like I don't know if those, if those hitch plays, even though I love them, when you have corners that are playing in cushion, those hitch plays, those long hitch plays on the sideline, the slate in the neighbors, I think you're going to have corners that are going to be better and you're going to have corners that are going to be more aggressive and try and pounce on that stuff. The commander's corners suck. So I don't know if that's going to be their every week. I don't know if that's going to be their every week. It may be their every once in a while, which is great, which you need to take that when it's there, but it may not be there every single week and that sucks. Yeah, you've got to see it against the team that's not the commanders because they have the, like possibly the worst corners in the NFL and they put them in just man coverage. Yeah. So it's, it's easy pickings for Malik neighbors and Darius, like, and out there. Right. Next question. What's coming from Matthew Lang, and I'm running down the timestamp and there's time sent Matthew Lang despite DJ being 0 for four on deep passes against a Washington man defense. Do you think it was a mistake not to have any plays where slate or high it was used for their speed to outrun man defense on any shots? And I mean, I'll answer this question quick. I'm going to, you know what? They didn't have a lot of plays to run with it. It's unfortunate. But against this Washington defense, I am going to say, yes, I do think it was a mistake. I would have maybe liked to see a more aggressive defense where we're allowing neighbors, slate or especially high it to try and just win. And they did. And now here's the thing is those plays are at least first Washington were like kind of predetermined from like neighbors because if Jones was just flat out, like reading the middle field safety, you probably would have went to slate in on a couple of times, but they want to get neighbors involved in that play and I understand that and they had the ability. It wasn't like the safety was getting to the sideline. It was more Jones just keeping him honest. So like slate and could get those. This is where this is where like, you know, me, I wasn't like, Oh, I need to play for development, but hi, it does fucking run past people and if teams are going to start like, even with like Joe, like, let me talk through this, talk through them. So they would, they ran some like max protect double go versus single high safety, right? So they're man on the outside and they have the one safety and Jones would be straight up staring at their sleigh and staring at him, right? With the intention to turn his head and throw to Malik neighbors, staring him and the safety is not fucking moving off of the hash that neighbors is on, right being like, I'm not letting neighbors get over the top of me. And then they would throw the neighbors and Jones was just inaccurate on those throws. And if they're going to play like that, then Jaylen Hyatt should be like, again, I'm not calling for Jaylen Hyatt to get a ton of snaps, but Jaylen Hyatt should be in on those opportunities because he can just flat out run past guy. So yes, I do want Jaylen Hyatt more involved than what he's been. It does feel a little personal on why he's not been involved. I don't want him as a starter. I don't want him taking 45% of the snaps, but I do want him more involved in the game plan. And I, I think he's does, I think he deserves that. I think he's shown enough to be involved in the game plan, which really has not been at all the first two weeks of the season. I agree with that. I mean, he should be part of plays and plays that are like not design words like this, but like design with him is like the one or first or second option. And again, it can just be simply him running down the field. And if you're going to run those conversion routes, there's one route outside the go ball that hides good at it's the conversion route because teams defenses respect him so much down the field. Yeah. So yes, I'd like to see Hyde a little more involved than what he's been, even though I will not call for him to be the starter in the name of fucking development. But it feels personal. It does feel personal. And I would love for beat reporters. I know we have some of you. They hammered them every chance they get to talk about Hyatt. But I mean, this, this is going to be one of those things where we're not going to find out this answer during a press conference. This is going to be we're going to have to get on the phone. We're going to have to talk to our, our favorite source and our favorite building inside the building to somebody to get to talk to your favorite building to spill the beans. Did I say talk to your building that as I was your favorite building as a John Boy media office? Good answer. I love Chuck E. Cheese. Yeah. But beat reporters, let's, let's, um, I would love to get a, to get an exclusive like, oh, he, I heard this is going on with a gym and high up. That's, that's what I would like. Cause I think there's, it's personal. It's got to be personal. You don't, you don't go from, he was the, Bob, he was the starter and training camp for the vast majority of the, of all the practices that we were there. He was the starter. Yeah. And then we, I mean, then we go away and then he's, then he's finally taking second team reps and that was the first time all summer that slaton was after the Texans game where some issues started to pop up. Yeah. I don't believe that all summer, the vast majority of the training camp practices that we, that we were there before like real preseason games where Jalen Hyatt is the starter on the team and now like suddenly something happened where he is just forget, forget in a rotation. He's just not involved. He's not, he's not part of this offense right now. Right. So something had to happen. Yep. All right. Next question. AP Skerbo with the Costco guys, give this ad a big boom or a big doom. And whole boy, if you're not giving Captain Morgan a boom, then you're crazy. We're Captain Morgan guys. We're Captain Morgan guys. This mailbag is brought to you by Captain Morgan. We're Captain Morgan guys. Of course we know that Captain Morgan is the official. 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There's going to be a lot of Corona. There's going to be some five-hour energy. They're going to be both sponsoring the tailgate. So if you like any of that, please come hang out. Tickets are $25, which I, I mean, I thought $50 was a steal. I think we're keeping it at $25 and $25, I mean, $25 for alcohol, food and a great time. I mean, there's no reason for. That's a great deal. Even I'm serious. Even if you have like a tailgate, you should just come because for to get a free meal, like even if you have another tailgate. It's free. Well, it's basically free. Alcohol. Sure, but there's not a, there's not free. It's a great deal, but it's not free. It's basically free. It's basically free. And it's going to be a great time. Yeah. L16 on the curb. We're going to have a great time. Tickets are in the description. I'm jealous that I won't get to be there for this next one. I'm telling you the tailgate is the best part of the game. Oh, yeah. Because the giant stink. 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