Kap & J. Hood
Kap, Silvy & Waddle | Backseat Driving
David Kaplan, Silvy and Waddle recorded a show from the backseat of Waddle's car as Waddle played chauffeur. The guys got into MANY heated Chicago sports debates. They talk about the struggle that was the Cubs offseason, the Bears looking for an identity and tell some old stories
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- 27 Sep 2024
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All right, we've talked about doing this for a very long time. I'm Cap. That is Sylvie. Waddle is our Uber driver. So Sylvie and I are in the backseat. Keep it down back there. We're going to debate some sports topics. How about we start with... By the way, do you guys have your seat belts on? We do. And Cap is not kidding. This is not theater of the mind. We're literally in the backseat. And no one's in the front seat with Waddle. When Cap said, "Let's go sit in the backseat." I thought he was kidding. So I went in the front seat and Cap looked at me and he said, "Let's go in the backseat and do the podcast." I'm like, "Oh, you're serious." I am. So let's go. So let's start with the Cubs. Oh boy. We could start right there because... Don't we want more listeners for this? We'll get plenty. The me coming every night that they won, going still alive. I was doing it A, because I enjoyed doing it, and B, because I loved tweaking you. And then every time they lost, this Jackass would send me a text still alive. Did you not? Yes, because you, what I called it, was you were getting cubby blue balls. You were sitting there in the champagne room, expecting to get a little payoff from this team. And I knew better because I've been back there before. And I know you're not getting any back there. I've seen this movie before. I knew this was fake. I knew they were just taking our money only to tease us, not to give us anything. And I gave up basically in August. And if you consider that a bad fan, so be it, I'm a bad fan. Okay, so let me ask you a question. Who do you hold most responsible for the state of the cubs? Because Nick Friedel and I are yelling at each other on the phone multiple times. He's like, Rick, it's isn't spending enough. 235 million is like 100 million more than the Brewers. How about Jed spend it better? Yeah, I mean, there's, there's, we could make a poll question about this and have a very close race. So I, here's my power rankings. I go Jed number one. I probably go the players number two because they have multiple players on that team who did not achieve what they were supposed to achieve. Rick, it's number three. And then Craig Council should be held accountable too. And even though he's last, he was still supposed to be the difference. And he was not the guy that I thought that we were getting as far as a manager. So I think it's one A, B, C, D instead of one, two, three, four. Yeah, I think it's Jed Carter and the front office far and away number one. Now you can tell me, well, we didn't have enough money in the budget to this or that. Well, don't be paying Trey freaking Mancini, seven and a half million to not play for you. Tucker Barnhart, three and a half. They're still paying F and John Lester and Jason Hayward. So they can't manage their budget. That's why they're in the position they're in. And the fact that you entered the season without a freaking closer, that's embarrassing. Now, Waddles in the front seat. So what does Rickets say? Like, does Rickets hold Jed accountable if they make a big mistake? And why wasn't Jed allowed to go after? And maybe Shohei's a bad example. I don't know if he would have picked the Cubs. I think your owner sets a tone for you, General Manager, to play it safe because he's not going to get into the bidding war for guys like Soto or Otani or others. So I would hope-- But Theo didn't play it safe. Theo is a riverboat gambler. And I think he's scarfed by it. Oh, sorry. And you won a World Series title. And I think Rickets is scarred by that. And you went to the NLCS three times. Remember, Rickets turned off the faucet after they won the World Series and after a couple of years is underachieving. He looked at the Hayward contract. He won't even let them sign what's his name on the Phillies. Cassianos. And no, Cassianos. Oh, yeah. Remember Cassianos? How well he played. And he would have cost them what? 60 million over three years. Yeah. And they decided we're not even going to bring him back. You know who signed him instead of the Cubs? The Rhetts. Like, think about that. And then he opted out and went to the Phillies. But we couldn't-- The Cubs wouldn't even tender him or offer him something competitive. He loved it here. We loved having him. He performed after trading for him. And I think the owner has a lot to do with that. Yeah. Tom is not without fault here. Biblical losses and whatever else. Because while they may not be turning the massive profit that I think maybe they should be, that franchise he paid $8.45 for is worth like $5 billion. Yes. So I don't want to hear that you don't have the money. It's a goddamn ATM machine around there. Motorola and I love the patches. Bring the patches on. But put that money back in the payroll. What the jumbo trons. I was always for the jumbo trons. Because I thought that was going to put the money back in. I was at a concert this year. The Smashing Pumpkins and Green Day Show. So put it all into the payroll. But I feel like the more they do, the less they spend instead of the other way around. Yeah. I don't know if the patch is considered baseball revenue because they have to give. I did some homework on this. 48 cents of every dollar from baseball generated revenue. They have to give to the league. 48 cents. And then they profit share. It goes into revenue sharing. Because they're considered a big market team. So wait a minute. They don't get to keep their money from the patch. It may be considered baseball revenue. They get like your Smashing Pumpkins ticket. They get 100 percent. But if they play a minor league baseball game, or they have any type of a baseball related expense that comes in revenue. Whether that is the TV station. Whether that is a video board, a sign. That stuff all goes into the revenue sharing pool. So you're telling me if the pirates put a patch on and they only get $800,000 a year for their patch. They get to keep it. Well the pirates put on an eye patch. Because that's what the pirates put on. Maybe. You didn't even know you made a joke. There you go. The pirates are considered a small market team. But like the Yankees, their revenue from the patch. I think the same amount goes to revenue sharing. By the way, as we're recording this podcast, we're driving down Damster in the heart of where we grew up. Yeah, Sophie and I grew up waddle. We terrorize these streets. We own these streets. You guys, my mom used to take me to this Dunkin' Donuts right there before school. Yep. He used to sit at the counter. He used to cause trouble buying cigarettes at the Walgreens over there. Yep, we would go up here to Kaufman's deli. Yep, that's way up here. Way up. Yeah, 100%. In fact, right here there was a dry cleaner called Davis Cleaners. They used to sleep with the daughter of the owner right there. Whoa, whoa, wait. I was just doing it. We didn't think it was going there. I didn't know this was pillow talk. All of a sudden, light starch. What does this stain on your shirt? Yeah, light starch on your daughter. Yeah, light starch on your daughter. DNA that thing, it's your daughter. It's light starch on my collars and how about a reach around them? Okay, let's move to Jerry Rhine's door. What a transition. Let's move to Jerry Rhine's door. Because we're going to get in trouble here. We probably will, but guess what? I'm not only going to tell the truth and I'm pretty sure you are too. So, like what he has done to the White Sox has turned them into not just a joke, but a civic freak in embarrassment. Like you won 93 games. You usurped the power of your GM, by the way. By hiring Tony LaRouza. I don't care how many games he won. You shouldn't have stuck your beak in there. That's A, B, he's done a terrible job at running that franchise, right into the freaking ground. It's brutal. And my bowls too. And this is why the White Sox drive me crazy and why I'm more empathetic with Sox fans. And that's where I was Bar Mitzvah right there. Very nice. And Barnum and Bagel coming up here at the right. Were at least Bar Mitzvah that Barnum and Bagel? No, I was Bar Mitzvah that at Niles Township, Jewish congregation. Was it Rabbi Brief? Rabbi Brief, who just died recently. Yeah. How about that? Was it a quick process with Rabbi Brief? It was not. He was a very, very windy man. And then this was the gold coin and became Barnum and Bagel. Right there. Yes. Yes. Gold coin sounds like a gentleman's coin. Pretty close. So, like I don't understand how Jerry Reinsdorf could show up and not have any competitive bone in his body and watch that nonsense. Yeah, I don't think he cares anymore. I know, I've reached out to people and they say he does. But I think if he truly cared, he won't let it get to where. So why not sell it? I don't know. I would cash in right now. He's 88 years old. He says, what else would he do? Well, I say do what you do every night and that's watch baseball because you're not going for it. You can still do what you do and watch baseball without owning the team. Correct. So, I don't understand any of it. None of it makes sense cap. It's, and again, it's I don't take pride in those socks being this bad or bad at all. Because I think it's a shame that a team owner doesn't take pride as much as a Cubs fan does in that team. Think about that. I'm a Cubs fan and I get more upset over their failures than probably their owner does. No question about it. I'm a Cubs fan with you, but I watch all those games. Now, granted, I have to watch them to do my YouTube stuff, but I watch them every freaking game. And it's a joke how bad they are. It's truly an embarrassment. I it it bothers me that he will walk into an owner's meeting and people are probably in the corner. Snicker is and if he cared, like, here's a tangible thing. Well, and if someone would listen to this and say, well, he cares, he cares that he they lose. If he cared when the general manager's job was open, he would have gone under he would have checked every place throughout baseball for the best baseball builder. And he would have been open to that person telling him, you're short on analytics. You're short on player development. Here are the ways I'm going to fix it. And he would have said, here's my checkbook. This is pennies on the dollar. Fix it, fix it. But even if he had decided he wanted Chris Getz for whatever reason, why would you not at least take the opportunity to interview the guy from the Yankees and the guy from the Rays and the guy from the Dodgers and the guy from the Red Sox and go, tell me what you think of my franchise. Get information. Exactly. He didn't want to be told what they got of his franchise. That's good, Waddle. It's very true. That is a good point, Waddle. Let's talk about the Bulls because I want to go back. I know you. Are we avoiding talking about the Bears? Oh, we'll get to it. Well, we'll get to it. It's a long ride home to take. Hey, we're going to the Bulls though. We're going to the Bulls because here's where you and I disagree. You have a problem still that they broke the thing up after '98. That thing was done. That thing was done. They were-- that's for guys on that team. We were hot at gas. That's a try. And here's the other thing, Cap. If they bring Michael and they do it the right way, like the Spurs did, or like the Lakers did, and let Michael retire like Kobe retired. And that Lakers team stung, but at least have a relationship with the players at the end of their career. So then they can be ambassadors. And I'm not so about to paid ambassadors. I agree with you there. And so then that way Michael could then recruit the next guy as a free agent. And he could say, "Here, play here. Come play with me and help me." Or at least come and take over for me instead of having him go to Washington. He should have always been a part of the organization. That I don't disagree. Yeah. But they were not going to win another title. They were done. Well, let them try, but let them-- Again, like look at what the alternative was. Corey Benjamin, and then the way that they did. You could have rebuilt and let Michael, to pick Jerry over Michael, was the biggest. That I believe Einstein should have said to Michael, "Here's 2% of the franchise or 1%, whatever the number is. I want you to be an owner with me and be part of this going forward." And even if you didn't want to do that cap, like Michael built up enough equity with the team to allow him to retire on his terms, even if that bull's team only won 30, and they were done, let Michael be bad then. But in your team, don't let him go somewhere else. I agree. And then have things be-- and I'm fine with it then. And if it took a few more years after that, but then you had good relationships, then you don't have the perception of being terrible to your best players who won six championships. And now you're fighting uphill to rebuild, and also you've got a perception that you don't care about the best. And if you don't treat Scotty and Michael well, how are you going to treat new guys who are going to come to your team? Don't disagree. I would not have let them go for another title because Phil said I'm out. But my problem with Reinsdorf is every organization he's had, Bulls and White Sox at different levels, he let Krause fight with Phil in the play. He let Gar and Pax get sideways with tips. He let Rick and Kenny have their issues. With Aussie. With Aussie and between themselves at the end, right? That's not a great management style. Derek rose against the front office as well. So all of that, and my other problem with it is everyone says Jerry is a tremendously loyal person to work for. That's awesome. Great. That's a novel concept, and it's admirable. How about being loyal to the fan? I know you say this, and my biggest thing is, and that's a valid point. I'm not saying what you're saying is wrong. My bigger issue is what we were just talking about with Michael and Scotty. He's loyal to these guys who were loyal to him because they didn't sell him out. He wasn't loyal to Frank Thomas. He wasn't loyal to Michael Jordan. He wasn't loyal to Phil Jackson. He wasn't loyal to Scotty Pippin. He wasn't loyal to Aussie Gann. He wasn't loyal to Tom Thibodeau. So all these guys who were successful, and we could keep going, Robin Ventura, all these pitchers who wanted contracts, not loyal to, because he had to pay them. These other guys, it's easy to be loyal to John Paxson. Because John Paxson never sold him out when John Paxson was told he traded the wall so he could get underneath the luxury tax. That's easy to be loyal to them. He wasn't loyal to the star players who he eventually traded every step of the way. Okay, now let's talk about the fairs. So as I look at that franchise, I keep them reminded of what Olin told me and what Olin knight, he said, what goes on in that building matters. And for whatever reason, the Green Bay Packers to pick up Malik Willis have him for three weeks. And because their organization is so well run, and their head coach is so good, Malik Willis is more developed in the six weeks. He's been a packer than any goddamn Bears quarterback for 25 years. It's crazy. It is. We were, we were talking about it today. I'm envious, jealous, whatever word jealous is the more negative term, that you look at the other coaches in the division, and what they're able to do with Sam Darnold and Malik Willis in Minnesota and Green Bay. And you have two of the best play calling head coaches, and by the way, in Minnesota, they have also one of the best DCs. Brian Flores. Yeah, and then now what do you got here? Like Matt, Matt's done a decent job as a DC, and that was out of necessity, but I'm very, very worried that they don't know what they're doing offensively. Okay, so we have the fourth best head coach in the division, right? Yes. Without a doubt, the fourth best head coach in the division, I question, I'm not questioning that they will spend the money. They spend the money. It's not that they're cheap. I just wonder, how can the same organization make the same mistakes over and over? Well, I'll go through the fourth of everything. Well, obviously, you've got the fourth best offensive line in the division. You've got the fourth best running back in the division. You've got the fourth best head coach in the division. You've got the fourth best offense coordinator slash play caller in the division. At the end of the day, you ask yourself, why are we fourth in the division? I think I just kind of played it out for you. That's valid on every level. I like Brian polls very much. I do. As do I. As do I. As do I. And I think he's done a lot of really good things, but I think we all were a little bit apprehensive about them going to the gate this year with the number one overall selection as a quarterback and putting him behind the interior of that offensive line that wasn't secure. It hasn't been secure. And if you ask any quarterback, young, old, retired, good, bad, whatever the case may be, the hall tell you that they're most bothered by interior pressure versus pressure that comes from the edge. And I am more than a touch surprise that Ryan, who has done a lot of things, but comes from an offensive line background and decided that what they had was okay on the interior and it hasn't been. What do you think of the whole thing? You feel like the culture has been fixed up there. Yeah, I think I think they've got a good culture, but like what does our boss say? If you have a good culture without winning, you just you just have a bunch of people like to lose. You have a bunch of losers who like to be able to come. Yeah, exactly. That's that's a better way. So like and I'm not saying that that's what the bears are. I think there's a lot of good things that Ryan has done. I think this is where you and I did not see eye to eye pre-season. I think we had a texting, a texting debate and this is where you and I are in a better place now. Like when we disagree, I will just text you and I will just say here's where I see it. And and you're like, well, don't you if you believe in Ryan, don't you. Are you guys saying you're all grown up? We're grown up. We are grown up. We are. So like you're like, if you believe in Ryan, don't you have to trust him? And I'm like, no, I'm like, just because I believed in Theo didn't mean I had to believe in Theo with this, this or this or if I believe in Chad, I didn't have to believe in this, this or this. And just because I believe in guys and just because you believe in Chan, he doesn't mean that he doesn't do things wrong with his play calls or going for things in the Super Bowl. So I didn't, I didn't agree with the way they built the line. Number one, I didn't agree with the way they did with Bayless Jones. And I didn't agree with the way they kept with Matt Eberfloos. Those were the three things I had big issues with. And those I think are three clearing all right now. So who would you guys leave Harbaugh out of it? Because they were never ever interested. Why? But why? Ask yourself why? Were they threatened by him? No, I from what I've been able to gather is not their cup of tea and they had zero interest. My cup of tea is winning and he wins. Don't disagree. I'm just telling you, if Eberfloos had vanished into thin air, Jim Harbaugh could have shown up in the lake forest and they would have said not it. That can't affect my decision on or my opinion on who I would want. No, who do you think they should have hired? If you knew you knew Harbaugh wasn't in play, who should they hire them? Let's say they blow out Eberfloos the end of the year. But I think they're wrong for not keeping their minds open for somebody like Jim Harbaugh. And maybe that's part of the problem. This is just, yes, they've narrowed this artificially to all of these other people except this guy. Because they don't fit, they don't fit the neighborly way. And I just think that that's being closed-minded and in some ways take the name out of the equation. You're limiting artificially, you're limiting what you can possibly do. Here's my plea. You want my plan at the end of the year? If this goes south, I hope Matt Eberfloos don't sell me Bill Belichick. No, if why? I saw overrated. I know. If I want Matt Eberfloos and Shane Waldron to turn this thing around, win 10 games, and this would be a non-topic, develop Caleb Williams. But if this continues this way, and this is my plan, and it's not Belichick and McDaniel's. I go and I get Bobby Sloeck, his dad coached here. Bobby Sloeck not only is a great play caller, but he is also a guy who knows how to develop a quarterback with the way they did it with CJ Stroud. And then he assembles his offensive staff, and you keep Eric Washington, if he's amenable to it, who's there D.C. and John Hoke, who is also a fantastic coach who's been here twice, and has built a fantastic defensive backfield that those guys play for. You keep some of cohesiveness with the defense, and you have finally an offensive play caller who knows how to develop a quarterback. I don't want to tune in to Kevin J. Hood, and you use this, and you don't give me credit for that one. You guys take our show plan every day. Bullshit. I mean, it's week four. I mean, I'm not, I don't have an exit strategy already. Sophie's already got these guys signed a contract. Well, I mean, you always have to have a list, Waddle. You do. I've got a co-host list. Yeah, I'm sure you do. Check your food, Waddle. Yeah, exactly. I'd access it. I just, at this time, like really, what are you going to do? I don't know who's going to be available at the end of the year, either. What if everyone's available? Who, like, within reason? What if the Ravens, well, it would be somebody, listen, for me, based on who you've drafted, it would be an offensive minded guy who can play the role. I'm not just head coach, but offensive coordinator and game planner. I think that that's kind of what works now. Look inside our own division. What about Ben Johnson? Yeah, I'm open to that, too. I mean, if it gets to that, again, here's hoping, look, I would preach patience to everyone and see where this thing goes. My head's not the same, but I would say give it a little bit of time. There's a lot of new here, and I know you have to have a plan. But if I was forced to execute that plan based on what you've done, and that means drafting the quarterback first overall, I'm not going down the path again where I'm going to hire a defensive minded head coach, I'm going to hire an awful guy. But why do you guys care what he coaches? Hire the best CEO. Yeah, because I just, I feel like that guy's going to be in touch with this, this quarterback every single play. And look, you can do it that way. You can do it the way that Houston's done it. The Mako Ryan's is a fabulous head coach. He's a defensive minded guy. He's the CEO of that team. Right. He's going to lose Bobby Slower. I mean, that's just the manner in which it happens. And look how many times that you have to gamble then on an offensive coordinator is never called plays. And you have to continue to guess if he's going to be as of a year ago, had never called the play. But now you know that he's good at it. So now you take that out of the equation as a head coach when you hire him. Cat, there's no question. There are, you know, there are examples of guys who are defensive minded head coaches. Look at Mike Tomlin. Absolutely. Now, like I said, there are examples of that. But you asked me, ideally, I like what's going on in Minnesota right now. I like what's going on in Green Bay the last several years. I like what's going on in San Francisco. I like what's going on with the Rams. You know, there have been a lot of examples of situations where an offensive minded guy was not just the head coach, but the offensive coordinator. And it is work and it is an offensive league these years and these days. And you've drafted a quarterback first overall. He's the most important player on your roster. So that's just the plan. I'm not suggesting you can't find success going the route that you see, you know, you're talking about. But my preference would be to find somebody who's got an offensive mind and can grow and build with your QB. Would you hire a college coach? Lincoln Riley? No, I don't think so. But my mind would be open. Not closing my door on anything right now. Lincoln Riley hasn't won enough in college for me to be the head coach. First of all, they got to hire someone with more of a personality. Flus is a good person, nice man. Now time out. You just said to me, but I want to care about it. I just want a CEO. Now you don't want a CEO. You want an MC. No, you want someone that can. That's bullshit. Why don't you say no? It's a goddamn entertainment business. Entertain me. When in lost business. When? It's when. It's great, but I also want to be entertained. I'd rather win with somebody who sucks as a entertainer versus lose with somebody who can entertain the shit out. Like look at the ones that won here. Joe Madden, Aussie Guy and Mike Ditka, even Phil Jackson. They were entertaining dudes to listen to. They were also good at their craft. Yes. So you can have both. Right. Of course you can. Do I have to have vanilla? You don't have to. But that's the McCasky way. Well, that's a different conversation. I don't know. That's like you. You had everything with Harbaugh, Harbaugh, but you didn't feel comfortable. It was in there cup of tea. He's a winner. He's an entertainer. Yeah, he does have a lot of the qualities. Yes. He does. I'd like to know more about the Connor Stallion sign stealing. Oh, who cares. Well, it speaks to your, not yours, his lack of integrity if it's as wide ranging as they say it is. Oh, I get to be dropped off first. I love your first year. The first one online. Aren't you here? That's right. This is the more expensive section of our development. That's right. Look at these lights too that I got on the house. This is a brand new partner or two that we're bringing out outside outdoor prospect lighting perspectives. Look at that. Another freebie on the Silverman mansion. That's true. That has a private plane. Tried to land on your roof. Aren't they awesome? They put all these lights in. Yeah. And then I can make them Christmas lights. I can make them Halloween lights. I could put them Bears lights. You want to see? So you can make them orange? Yes. That would have. That's way better and get the talent fee for those reeds. That was inside baseball right there. Yeah, we get paid to read the commercial. Sylvie said, I don't have to pay me, but give me the 10 grand worth of lights. Let's show you something. How cool is that, Sylvie? Are you doing it on your phone? Yes. So it's just the tap of the button. I know like this is a podcast. Yeah. But, uh, friends, let's hear some Halloween stuff. Uh, you like just went out in the middle of your home. So Sylvie, look at that. Just a touch of a button. I think you're going to get a full call from the FBI. I don't want to turn. Look at this. Look at those. So you could strobe it like I just did. Right. You can't do that while there's an aircraft flying over. How about burning in front of? This is burning in front of. Have you landed planes in that side of that living room? No, I never have to hate Christmas lights. Hanukkah lights. This is your home slash brothel. Sylvie, when you were asking me and Brennan for dating advice, did you ever think you'd be in a mansion like this, married to a beautiful woman doing what you're doing? I never thought I'd have a wife as beautiful as I have. He was sitting in the sports office at WGN Waddle going, okay, I want to take this girl. What should I do? Brennan's giving him money to go buy flowers. I'll never forget it. All right. I'm leaving. All right. Get out of your time. All right, Sylvie. Say bye to everybody. See you guys. All right. Sylvie being dropped off in his mansion with his disco lights. I'm locked in a car. I'm like the car. I'm telling you, the FAA will be calling you. That is awesome. Who's the partner? Outdoor lighting perspective. There you go. They're coming. They're starting next week. There you go. Outdoor lighting perspective. Sylvie, have a good night. Hey, grab your coffee cup too. Oh, yeah. All right. That is our... What's that? What do you call that podcast? That is our... Back seat, fucking drool. Back seat, drool. There you go. With me, Sylvie, and Waddle. I'm in the front. Waddle's actually driving. Very, very impressed, but he did not drink much. I drink a lot more than I normally do. Waddle did not drink. I did with hoodie. We drank. I finished all six of my things of bourbon. Are you serious? I did. All six things from few bourbon. Can you get in? Oh, I think Sylvie might be locked out of his house. All right, Waddle. Tell the truth now. What's that? I tell you a truth all the time. That's your boy right there. It's your guy right there. I can't see you. You guys, 18 years together. Yes, sir. You and Sylvie, the longest running sports talk duo in the history of Chicago radio. That's right. It's called Endurance. How about that? All right. You're getting dropped off next. Yes, I am getting out. I've had a lot to drink. We had some fun, and I got to get up at four to go to work, but it's a deal-breakers Thursday, so get ready for Waddle, for Sylvie. I'm cap. Take that.