The 2024 Presidents Cup is officially in the books, and Team USA comes away victorious for the 13th time in 15 tries, notching the largest margin of victory ever for an away team in the competition. In addition to the Sunday Singles action, Smylie Kaufman and Charlie Hulme take a big picture look at the week in Montreal, grading all twelve players on each team and their captains, and discussing some of the extracurriculars that Tom Kim brought up in his Saturday press conference. SK and CH close the episode with a look ahead to the 2025 Ryder Cup, making some predictions as to which Americans on this Presidents Cup team will make it to Bethpage, and which ones will miss out.
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Presidents Cup Day 4 Recap: The Americans Win Again
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See terms at discover.com/creditcard. [MUSIC PLAYING] That's Smiley Copeland for '64. Wow. I'm Smiley Copeland, and this is "The Smiley Show." Welcome back to "The Smiley Show," the 2024 President's Cup is officially in the books. And as Smiley Copeland predicted, the United States of America wins 19 to 12. Way to nail that prediction last night, Smiley. Really just, you know. And actually, it kind of worked out nice. So you were right there, near being on the money. You just gave a little half bonus point. It's like, you know how you get 400 points for signing your name on the SAT? You just gave him a little bonus point. Got him to 19 to 12. I like that. What was the final? It was 18 and 1/2 to a load and 1/2. Yeah. So, you know, in and around-- Man-o, man-o, man. When you look at it, you know, years down the road, you're going to see that big, wide margin of victory. And it just felt so much closer that so often during this President's Cup. But still, the final score is indicative of just that the Americans dominate the international team every two years. Yeah. He is Smiley Copeland. Fresh off the course, walking with a number of different groups today, closing this thing out. I'm Charlie Hume, just using my last opportunity to really bring home my team USA Assistant Captain Garb. I'm just really proud that I have this stuff. I'm going to wear it as often as possible. We're a month out from Halloween. Felt like, just let's go ahead and give this one last go. And we can't get into this episode. We got a lot of stats we're going to get into. Break this thing down in full form. The last couple of nights, we've done our journal entries. But this will be a full episode tonight. But we have to just thank some partners this week who brought the show to all of you this week. So let's just start with the head. Gray gear, still loving this brand at Bill's Hat, loving all the polos that I have in the rotation now. 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Not a math pod, still not a math pod in any way, shape or form. You were just noting kind of some of those margins and the stuff like that. And just the way that this, it just feels like Thursday and Friday were so abnormal and so unique for this competition. And then Saturday and Sunday felt a little closer what we've watched the past couple of years and the score line ends up where the score line does. So back to the well with Justin Ray golf, who's like just our stats guru, Shama and Whisperer, any of those number of things. So a couple of tweets from him. This will be the largest margin of victory for the away team in president's cup history. And the, with this win, United States are now 13, one in one all time the event with a lone international win coming in 1998. The Americans have led after 41 of the last 46 sessions in the event dating back to 2005 singles. So, smiley. I was hitting the panic button on Thursday after a five zero US sweep. I was saying, we gotta blow this thing up. I was suggesting different formats, suggesting a mixed version of this event. Are you anywhere near that now? Even after all the back and forth and the international is kind of making it close after Friday heading into the weekend. Are you anywhere near? We need to reconfigure this competition after looking at this score line and where this finished up. - I personally think the president's cup is, is although you haven't had the results from the international side. I still find it fantastic theater. I mean, this week, I really just, it felt closer than what the score showed. And on foreign soil being raw Montreal, it was, had so much juice. The fans were incredible. Thursday, I would say that maybe it's one day too many in this is somehow can you shrink it up a little bit to where the international team isn't quite as exposed with their depth. To me like singles, for example, just the advantage that the Americans have, just with their, you know, how deep they are, you know, their world ranking advantage is 20 when you look at the averages. So, you know, with that being said, it just, I like the president's cup. I enjoy watching anything that's, that guys care about and show emotion. So personally, no, but is there a way in which you can do a cool team format? Well, we kind of do that with Grant Thorne, but does it really like work? I think you really have to involve, you know, pride in who you play for and why you're out there competing. And I think it would be cool to have a team room with, you know, with mixed teams and maybe just find a way and you can work that in the schedule every year. 'Cause I think it would be pretty cool to have U.S. versus the world and just, I think it would be pretty incredible. I think it feels like the show position is, we want this thing to look closer to the Ryder Cup, three day event, as you just kind of noted at the top of your answer there. Like Friday through Sunday at Royal Montreal, we're electric, the fans showed up in a big way. Thursday, a little more subdued. We're not sure why that was the case, but it was the case and it showed up in the score line. So I think it feels like we're on the same page of, can we get this thing to three days? I think also, and it's interesting, even the quotes leading up to this, I think it was Adam Scott who was saying that, just being asked about his involvement in negotiations with the PIF and live and saying optimistic date for a potential reunification is 2026. A more realistic date would be 2027. That is what that means is that we'd have one more President's Cup under this current sort of, you know, talent imbalance. And it's a shame, 'cause like, I don't know where Cam Smith and Joaquin Neiman and a number of others games are gonna be in 2028, you know, when this thing could potentially be reunified and we could have a more stocked international roster. 'Cause it feels like we're missing out on some of those primes of those guys that really could have kept this thing a little closer. Like I would have loved to have seen Cam Smith in the lineup today playing singles against one of the best American players saying for Joaquin Neiman or a number of other guys that could have been in consideration for the international team had we not had this split. But it doesn't feel like we're gonna get there fast enough for that to show up and kind of bounce competition. Now, there could be a new wave of talent that comes in at that point. You have a new wave of us, you know, Australians and South Americans and it's a different ballgame then, but that's kind of a lament that we missed out on that. - I mean, yeah, I guess so. It could have, you know, if they didn't decide to leave, you know, then I think we have that conversation every week, right? - Your choice. - Yeah, but when it comes to the President's Cup and just the competitive nature of it, I still feel like, you know, just watching both teams and how they performed. It was, you know, just, I thought that the United States was just more clutch. It wasn't about that they were just that much better. They just came up in big moments and that to me was the difference and it wasn't as overwhelming as it may look like when you look at the final score because I saw some incredible golf from the internationals. They really played hard for one another. Now, do I agree with all of the decisions that Mike, we are made? No, I think there's plenty of decisions that we can look at, especially with Saturday in that, you know, your morning pairings, you know, they played well, but they just weren't able to, you know, win the session, they lose that session and then you send the same session out. And then they were hanging in there all afternoon but they ran out of gas because, well, what's, what's kind of surprising? You got no new blood out there playing. And it just, it seemed like today too, even the push that they did make, that they did run out of gas and just didn't have enough guys had that had played enough this week. I mean, Minwoo Wee only played two matches. I think that was a big miss. Not getting Minwoo Wee out there and playing with Jason Day. Felt like that was a no-brainer decision to put those two guys together. And especially because I watched Minwoo play on Thursday. I didn't think he played that poorly. So I don't know what Mike we're saw that I didn't. I know Mike wasn't really out there. He had another captain walking with that group. I personally just don't understand how you're not playing Minwoo Wee more than just two sessions. And yeah, I think you got to give a lot of credit to Jim Furyk. I really was impressed with the lineups that he put out, you know, even after he was talking about how, you know, he just felt more prepared for this presence cup. And just even listening to some of the guys do Charlie, just the players, you know, it sounds like he's the old football coach, you know, like the old Mike Dica in the locker room. Just a real hard-nosed Midwest guy that, you know, he will crack a joke every now and then and everybody doesn't know whether to laugh or not type of guy. And that's the type of hard-nosed football coach that I think Jim Furyk was in that locker room, like just steady yet he as they go, you know, same message and then tough on the guys, but also loved on the guys. And then tried to have fun with the guys, but like sometimes it hit, sometimes it did. And that's kind of the vibe that I got of what that locker room was like. - I think you nailed it as far as I could tell, because on the way in the whole kerfluffle he had with, I think it was Adam Schupach of just, you know, him suggesting, hey, it would, I mean, it'd just be nice if the internationals could win this thing or contend for the event. And it was like, he wouldn't have to fold Nick Saban rat poison mode of like, you know, I don't, I'm not trying to hear that. So I thought that was hilarious. There are a couple of moments I think last night as we were recording and I was listening into the announcing of pairings. He like, he got out of order for a second. He's trying to clarify and there was a moderator that was trying to explain to him the order in which they're supposed to go. All, all that is to say that I love the, that it's an app description, Midwestern football coach is kind of our Jim Purick this week. And he did a great job with it. And I think he definitely did. And I think it's good for us to, you know, look at all of the records. I think it'd be fun for you to just kind of run through this and just kind of give overall grades of how these guys performed. If you want to go through a great system and as we kind of look forward to the rest of the year. So I do want to get there. We have sessions played for each of these guys. We have points one and I think that's the breadth of this episode, just kind of going through each of those lineups. The thing I want to just, I want to close the loop on a discussion we had last night because there were more developments that happened after that. And I think it connects to the discussion we're having about the President's Cup as an entertaining product because there was a lot more that happened in terms of extracurriculars this week than we've seen in past President's Cups. So there was, we talked last night about the whole Tom Kim's comments after the, you know, saying that there may be some unsportsmanlike behavior coming from the American side towards the internationals which was a bit rich coming from a guy who had been engaging in the theatrics all week long and pumping his fists and everything. And to be fair to Tom, he noted that. He said, Hey, I know I've been doing this. I like it. I'm just saying some of it felt like a cross line. So then there was subsequently a video posted of Patrick Cantley sinking that putt in the dark to win the final point of Saturday session. And, you know, panning over to Wyndham Clark who's doing the, responding to CU Kim's night-night celebration, say night-night boys. That was subsequently quote tweeted by Ben Onn who I'm paraphrasing here is like, I love that Ben Onn's great on Twitter. He's, he's, he's not afraid to take a shot. Well, so he said basically like, you know, it's always guys that aren't doing anything that, you know, or talking crap or something like that. And then, and then that was posted. And Wyndham Clark commented on that on Instagram, a solo social platform and said, "It's always guys without a tea time that are chiming in." Again, I'm paraphrasing all this stuff. But I just, I think, you know, we had a lot of that this week. We had Scotty Barkin at Tom Kim on Thursday, which I thought was, you know, tremendous. We had some putts that were, you know, a little bit of frustration. They weren't given some measuring with grips and things of that nature of Tom Kim yesterday. So I just, on that piece of the things like, is that starting to do it for you? I assume you don't think any of this crossed line. Maybe you did. For me, I love that this adds a sort of intrigue factor. It gives us stuff to talk about, you know, in a competition that can be lopsided. What did you think of all the extracurricular stuff this week in Montreal? Well, just talking to some guys on the range. I was just trying to get any clarification from the American side, right? I just wanted to know, hey, did y'all figure it out? Who was it? And everyone that I talked to said that they didn't know what Tom Kim was referring to. But then I also heard from somebody else that said, yes, something happened, and this is from the international side, and we're just don't want to disclose who it was. Like, we just don't feel like it's in the spirit of the competition to name who it was. Apparently it was a player, maybe two players in a caddies. That was the rumor. Interesting. Similar to what Tom said. But that was also not from the American side. The Americans said, we don't know what you're talking about. I think Jim Fierick went around the room and asked, like, did you say it? Did you say it? And so some is either lion or so. And so even if I didn't say it, I would have been like, broken vase on the floor, three kids in the kitchen. Which one do you did it? Oh, it definitely was not me. 100% was not me. No. Yeah. That whole thing was a lot of intrigue. I want to say this, too. For a guy that catches a lot of flack, I was so amused by Patrick Canlay this entire weekend. I think this was Saturday. It's a Saturday either morning or afternoon when they were announced on the tee. And they're just raining foods down on him. And he had this little like smirk on his face. Thank you. Thank you, waving at the crowd. I thought that was hilarious. And then just the making that putt, the back and forth between that group all day long and goes up and sits at the podium last night. And it is, hey, Tom said this. What do you think about it? He's like, listen, like this kind of stuff happens. Like, we know we're going to go on the road. They're going to give us black. So I was like, you know what? Some credit to Patrick Canlay. A guy that, you know, we kind of give a hard time for some of these situations was just embracing the moment and kind of, you know, living it up and enjoying the villain role. I thought it was hilarious. That was one of the coolest scenes there with the sunset. Late in the evening, all of your teammates and wives and great spectators and crowd just gathered around that 18th green. And it just was a good old fashioned putt off right there at the end. And I love to see it out of Patrick, right? Like I'd love to see, you know, Patrick take that step and be able to win a major, which I know he's fully capable of doing, right? He's, if anything, you just want to see, I like to see players that are elite, you know, have big moments to just kind of prove it to themselves that they're capable of pulling off, you know, whatever is in front of them. And I think Patrick Canlay's had a really step in the right direction this year with his performance of the US Open, you know, just being right there at the end. I think a lot of people forget that he was, you know, just, I mean, only a shot away, really, from being right there with Bury and Bryce in there on Sunday, played fantastic. He's been so good on the PGA Tour and has had plenty of opportunities. And this week was one of the highest points scoring total, scoring total guys of the American team at 4-1. He's better over here. Now at T-Mobile, get four 5G phones on us and four lines for $25 a line per month when you switch with the eligible trade-ins, all on America's largest 5G network. Minimum of four lines for $25 per line per month with Autopaid discount, using debit or bank account, $5 more per line without Autopaid, plus taxes and fees and $10 device connection charge. 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And the way I've sort of ranked this is the tiebreaker is if a guy won the equal amount of points with less sessions, I put him higher on the list because he was more efficient with his opportunities. And then if there was still a tiebreaker there, it's just alphabetical. So I'm just going to start at the top here. Patrick Cantlay wins four points from five sessions. Call him or call. Also wins four points from five sessions as does Sanders Shoffley. Those were your three guys that kind of carried the team this week. Then a guy you've been talking about a lot this week played really well and had it back and forth with Tom Kim today. It was highly entertaining. Sam Burns, three and a half points out of four sessions. Then Russell Henley, three points in four sessions. Johnny Scheffler, three points in five sessions. Keegan Bradley, two points in three sessions. Tony Finau, two points in four sessions. So hit the goal up point and a half in three sessions. Wyndham Clark, a point and a half in four sessions. Max Homa, one point in three sessions and Brian Harmon, no points in three sessions. So I'll let you, you know, that's your full list. We're both looking at it right now. Where do you want to kind of start in terms of breaking down a player performance? Yeah, let's just start there at the top in that group. I don't know why we mentioned Patrick Kalay from what in the other two guys that had the most points was Colin Moore, Kalins, Andrew Scheffler. Both of those two guys also played five sessions alongside Patrick Kalay and Scottie Scheffler. I could not have been more impressed with Colin Moore, Kal. This week he blew me away. He is a thousand percent all the way back. There was no doubt in my mind this guy is going to win a major very soon. Just his control with his irons is unlike anything you'll ever see. It's just every shot that he hits, just pin high, pin high, pin high. And then his drives off the tee. You know when a guy is driving it really well is when they get to their finish and the shaft of the club hits the back of their spine and the back of their neck and bounces off. Every single time it's just so much freedom in his golf swing and just hit it so well this week. So props to you for getting Colin Moore, Kalay right for the most points score for the U.S. team. We both kind of had that. He just got drafted first. Yeah, you drafted first. And also Xander just was a dog. Love to see him. Love to see him lighting up cigars anytime the U.S. wins. It's kind of the one thing you know you to expect out of Xander Schaffaway is that he's going to be very tough to beat. And again, very tough to beat this week. Yeah. Couldn't have been more impressed as well with just how hard he is hitting the golf ball. I think people just don't realize how ridiculously far he's hitting it. It's just so impressive to watch him drive it. You had him in one of those groups where you were just noting that it was, I forget which hole I should have written it down. He had a wedge in where other guys were hitting like mid long irons and just the leap he's made this past year. It's amazing. It's insane. He's cruising, cruising in like mid 180s, which you know, if I swing as hard as I can, I'll be lucky to touch him in 180s. So it's just so impressive to watch, you know, a guy work his tail off, you know, being so good in the weight room completely changes game by just, you know, working his tail off and having really good technique and a good coach. To be able to maximize, you know, hard work and effort and be able to get the results from it. Yeah, I think that group, I mean, just to start back at the top with Colin Morekawa, just this whole year, it's just, it's insane that he did not win a tournament this year. Although he did. He won the Tour Championship, right? No, it's tough. Yeah. Well, that's the irony of the year, right? Is that he actually, he won the one event where it's not starting at zero for everybody, but I mean, this to me is a great finish for him on a great year. And, you know, I don't know how much he wants to play in the fall or plans to play in the fall. But I just hope he kind of keeps something. I assume he plays Zozo. I assume he defended Zozo. Not sure where else he's going to play, but I think that I just hope he carries this momentum into 2025. Yes, he's putting it so good. I mean, as you mentioned, the ball striking is just, it's back to where he was when he was winning those majors in 2020 and 2021, but maybe even a step better. It feels like sometimes. Stats don't say that from 2024. Actually, you know, one of the things that I think we second guessed or question, I'd say, with Jim Furex pairing on the afternoon in which the Americans got swept. They put Sahith the Gala on the odd holes, which has all the part three. So like, why are they putting more cow on the odd holes? But then I dug into it a little bit and actually, Colin Morekawa, he's first in putz per green this year, first in putz average is stroke screen putting, oddly enough is somehow like 40th, which doesn't make any sense. He's like first in so many putting categories. So that's been the huge jump this year for Colin is that his putting has been so good. We noted that throughout the year, if you've been listening to the show, is that the putting is allowed freedom for his ball striking to come back. And don't get me wrong, it's good. But the proximity stats, the just greens of regulation, his overall strokes gained approach. Those stats are not as strong as you think they would be, but that is a full year of 2024 in which he got better as the year went on. So I would say that as we get into 2025, expect to see those stats go back to what you're accustomed to. Yeah, and I think, I mean, that's one to keep an eye on. Zander, you know, you said all it needs to be said about Zander and just took it to a whole different level this year and you'd expect that to carry it next year. But can lay too, I think that you never know, because it just seems like can lay always shows up for these these team competitions and just increasingly so maybe not his entire career, but these last few years really is kind of has been nails and these competitions and really kind of steps up to the plate and doesn't always seem like that transfers to individual play and winning tournaments and obviously not winning a major yet. But this could be the boost he needs to kind of go into 2025 and do the same thing, Zander did this last year of going out and winning a major. And he hits it pretty far. I think there's still some room like if he wanted to go have an off season in which he wanted to put on some some weight. Do you think he'll pursue it after watching his best friend on tour do it? He hits it plenty far enough. But if the one thing that's watching the Zander prior to Zander doing the same, probably about the same, maybe Zander is a little bit further. But Patrick's just overall ball flight. It's a little, it's a little lower. He doesn't hit it quite as high. But he's got a ton of control. He still hits it plenty far. He's probably a mid to high 170s ball speed guy, which is plenty far. Right. I'm just saying if he, if we're going to start talking about Patrick Cantley is like superstar elite type of abilities. He's, he's, you know, near the top or elite in just about everyone. But is it, you know, just a little bit more? Can you reach a little bit further to try to, you know, take that next step to be able to, you know, be a, you know, a guy that's competing in majors year in and year out. Now, how about that next group? Because, you know, Sam Burns these past few years, the win loss record at Quail Hollow did not look good. But we've noted numerous times it was a stroke play event. He would have either won it or been right there in contention. Then that, you know, gives him a sort of set of question marks surrounding his captain's pick going into Rome. You know, no one plays particularly well there, or that maybe Max Homa, but he didn't play bad there. And then he shows up here, plays four sessions, takes three and a half points out of those sessions. So that group of, of, of Burns at three and a half, Russell Henley at three as a rookie phenomenon. I mean, paired with Scottie, but, you know, was a huge contributor to that, to that pairing. And then Scottie at three, what do your takeaways from that sort of group? So let's start with Sam Burns. I just, I was so impressed with Sam this week. He, he was hitting it so well. I know he said he didn't iron it quite as good today. I didn't get to watch Sam play. The wedge shot at 18 was unbelievable. No, oh, his chip. I saw the chip. Yeah, I saw the chip. I saw the chip. I heard him say he didn't like the iron shot and pulled it left. But yeah, apparently, apparently he got very lucky with the, with the lie, according to what I heard. Yeah. Anyway, sorry. No, no, no. Good. No, he's, so Sam is a guy that you just, I think you said it perfectly in that he was a player that. That was unlucky with how well he played and didn't get quite all, all the points out of it. And I even think of back to on Sunday at the Ryder Cup this past year, he was paired up against Rory McIlwain. I was covering that match. I think Rory was like eight or nine under and Sam was like seven under loss on 17. She's like, what are you gonna do, right? You know, Rory's Ryder Cup Sunday mode. And it's just hard to beat Rory on Sundays at, at, at, at Ryder Cup, especially if he's gotta go on, which he did that day. But I think he's the type of building blocks for, you know, what this future team's gonna look like. He's six, five and one in these Ryder Cup and President's Cup. So he's, you know, got a winning record that is above 500 on a losing Ryder Cup team and, and on a President's Cup team two years ago where he was unlucky. So when you look at it from that standpoint, you're like, you know what, he's could be a breakout superstar as we continue on. And the next, you know, my sleeper for the week was Russell handling. And he obviously it's got a chef was a partner. So if he, you know, that's an opportunity to get more points when you're playing with Scotty. But Russell was white out and you could hear guys talking about him all week, how impressive he was. And it, I think too, he honestly, although he's a Georgia bulldog and it's very, you know, southern dude, he's a type of player that the Europeans have, which is a guy that just hits fairways, hits green and just steady, steady, steady. Could be a type of player that you see in, in, in future Ryder Cups just because of his ability just to be in the hole over and over again. It's funny you mentioned that because I just, I wanted to kind of close out this show with just taking a quick peek at the Ryder Cup sort of point standings heading into Bethnage in 2025. And this list says it was last updated July 22. He is ninth on that list. And I think, you know, who knows how he's going to play this next year. But I think after watching this week. And especially Keegan's been the locker room with him this entire week, he's got to take a long hard look at taking, you know, Russell no matter where he ends up on those standings because he paired so well with the best player in the world. Scotty. Yeah. And it's all going to be a course related to Beth Page is a big ballpark. You know, you'd like guys that you would hit it long and straight, give you an opportunity. I've played this course. It's very, very challenging. But you know, Russ got help there though, right? I guess the last guy in this little group we're talking about is Keegan Brattle. I mean, here's the guy that closed the cup out. So I think that's one conversation we got to definitely get into. Well, yeah. I mean, we can skip over Scotty now and discuss it later. I mean, I felt like, you know, obviously, Hadeki played great in that singles match day and then everyone got buzzsawed on Friday. You know, so three points there, definitely better than the way Scott is played in the last two iterations of this competition. And so, you know, a solid week for him, even though he's not at the top there with can't lay more Kyle on shop lead. But yeah, moving to Keegan, I mean, it was so cool to see his emotion of being the guy that got it done. Sort of a poetic term of events for a seawook him. It wasn't that Keegan necessarily made it up, but see we were after, you know, providing all these huge moments and walking and putts and playing incredibly well a week long. Just misses on the low side of the hole and instead of, you know, ripping off three hole wins in a row to have that match. But Keegan, super cool to just hear him talk after the match about never thought I was going to be on one of these teams again. Now I'm the winning point in the President's Cup. And next year, whether or not I'm on this team, you know, this is going to be enough for me. Yes, 100%. And it was hard not to just get emotional listening to Keegan, Brad. And we talk about just how important this week has been to him. And, you know, that Netflix special just kind of felt like it was, you know, just the beginning of the story for Keegan Bradley, what the rest of his career is going to look like. So just so thrilled for him to be able to be the guy. You can really ride it up anybody, any better for Keegan. What about just the remainder of the US roster? I mean, we have Tony Fino back in the mix gets two points out of four sessions. So hit this a rookie a point and a half out of three sessions is definitely solid. You know, if it was for you to play a couple more sessions, who knows how those would have gone likely would have added more to those totals. But when am Clark one and a half points out of four sessions, curious if you feel like that's, you know, okay for him because they ended up winning or if that's a little bit of a disappointment for a guy who. You know, is considered one of the best of the world and wasn't qualified for this team and then closing up with Max and Brian Harmon and just how are feeling about the two. What we felt were like maybe the two last guys that made it on this team. Yeah, well, gosh, I mean, I feel like Max was getting better. Like he just needed more and more reps and he played really well today. I think he was like 700 on his on his own ball. So obviously played well Tony Fienau was just so disappointing on the greens. He was just shockingly bad at times. And that's exactly what we kind of expected coming into the end of the week is that he's going to give you some ball striking. Who knows we're going to get with the putter. We got the bad Tony Fienau putter according to stroke gain. He was the worst putter losing 4.5 three strokes to the to the field average, which is very poor with the putter. So I think all, you know, I think just good reps for him. Very, very strong player. I know there's a lot of confidence from the from the vice captains and the captain about the all and his ability to pair with guys. So they obviously feel good about his future and I just just love the way he approaches the game and why if he's just such a fun guy to be around. It's really interesting looking at that that strokes gain list because Max homeless third on that list. Despite, you know, only taking a point from those sessions and maybe that's a result. We might be looking at the the different. I'm looking at data golf event total. Yeah, I see it in total. I see Max plus 5.93. Okay, I got you gotcha. Yeah. Yeah, and well, and that could be a product of who's at the bottom of that list and who he paired with twice. I think it was I think it was a lot about how well he played today, maybe. And that because he only played think about this, right? Yeah. Well, he only played the alternate shot. He never played his own golf ball. So it's kind of skewed the data a little bit. Let's see where Harmon is. Well, I guess yeah. Harmon must have played very good at all today and stroke play in singles. We're not data guys until we're data guys. We're data guys were, you know, just we look at the numbers and then we kind of just determined how we feel about. Yeah, I mean, I think Max to win another singles match in an event like this, you know, three in a row now is big for him. And kind of maybe get some trending back towards, you know, the form that he was hoping to be in the beginning this year, taking more ownership of the swing is something he's talked a lot about. So this could be a nice little bump for him. But yeah, I mean, I liked what I saw in the sessions that we did see us hit the gala. And he's a guy that, again, if we're looking at this router cut qualification list, he's he's 11th. So we need to pick at this current standing. Well, this, the router cuts can be all about how the year you have it more and more importantly, it's the points that you can win at the majors. You got to go play good in the majors. You play good in the majors. You'll be on the team. Any other Americans you want to kind of give a passing comment before we flip over to the internationals. I think just the shocking, just shocking really how Brian Harmon performed. It really felt like a perfect golf course for him. And I understand the pick by Jim Fürich taking Brian Harmon on this course because it really, in my opinion, suited his game, but the stats and just his results were surprising. And he's not going to, he'll have to be a player that, you know, qualifies on points unless, because Beth Page is not a Brian Harmon golf course. I don't think that's a course in which Brian is going to get picked on. So who most likely had to qualify on points for that one? And to your point, it's going to be all that happens this next year, the majors, but he is currently qualified. He's currently fifth on that list. So, you know, he's got a little bit of a head start there. Over to the internationals, as you might imagine, pictures, a little bleaker there, the highest point winner. There was a tie of five players with, or no, I'm sorry, they're at six players of two points. Seabedz plays three sessions, wins two points, the only international player to have a winning record this week. And you have Seabu Kim who won two points from four sessions, and you have a group of four players who played in five sessions and one two points. So that group is Corey Connors, Hadeki Matsuyama, Taylor Pendreth, and Adam Scott. Then Ben on one, one and a half points from three sessions, Tom Kim won one and a half points from four sessions. And then you have Jason Day, who won a point in three sessions, Mackenzie Hughes, who won a point in four sessions. So I'm Jay Ham, who won a point in five sessions, good call Charlie on the leading point. The flip from gone work, and then we'll leave half point in two sessions. So do you want to start again at the top here, which is that group of two guys? Yeah, let's start there with. Yeah, I just, I don't think we saw enough reps from Seabedz, to be honest, and I don't know if we wanted to, to be honest. And he just came up, I felt like small and big moments. Him and Taylor Pendreth both just seem to be the conversation around the compound of what other guys saw, just big moments. Like Taylor Pendreth, I think, missed the grade at 17 every single time he played it, which I saw so many just tight shots there. And Seabedz missed some really important spots on Thursday to flip that match the wrong way for the internationals. Although, Seabedz did have a two-in-one record. I also think that he had some favorable match-ups where I got like some JM, for instance. I felt like he was put in a really tough position every single match. He's better over here. AT&T customers switching to T-Mobile has never been easier. We'll pay off your existing phone and give you a new one free, all on America's largest 5G network. Visit T-Mobile.com/carrierfreedom to switch today. Pay off up to $650 via virtual prepaid master card in 15 days. 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Yeah, that's the hard part about this is like, you know, we're getting someone into the numbers here, but they don't really paint the full picture because they're playing against another opponent that as you talked about, you know, in Rome last year, Rory McRoy and Sam Burns, like Burns played a great match. Roy just was 9 under, you know, so you can't do a lot about that. And so see you guys, you know, maybe benefited a little more from the flip side of that. But I mean, I thought, see what Kim, yeah, misses that putt today against Keegan and has an opportunity last night and they can't lay Shoffley match, you know, just to scrape a half point there. It doesn't get it done, but makes a huge putt in the morning to secure that point against Keegan Bradley and William Clark alongside Tom Kim. And this is to me, you know, one of is we're kind of going to start getting into the Mike Weir cap and C decisions, like see what Kim felt like a five session guy to me, you know, and I was strange to not see him on Thursday, but, you know, then plays. Yeah, I think if Captain would have known he was going to come out guns ablaze in this week. He may have played him five times and actually that's kind of where I wanted to talk to you about is looking at the amount of sessions that were that were played by these guys. Like Taylor Penge is playing five and Jason Day point three. That's the first thing I see is like, OK, that that should be either four and four. Taylor should have played three. And I think Min Wu should have been in that three potentially four area. You know, I think some J. M. You know, I love some J, but he's probably he's an Iron Man though. He is an Iron Man and he had that great day with Hadeki Matsayama. But, you know, just finding a way to get your horses out there. Tom Kim to me is a five five. You got to play him five sessions. And so I thought Mike Weir did, you know, when you just look at his captaincy overall and how he picked the team, how he did the pairings, I think it's no better than a C, right? I don't think there was anything that I felt like, man, that was incredible. I think they maybe found some some good for some bearings. Obviously the five of sweep was incredible on Friday, but just left a lot on the bone as far as how he constructed his roster. And then also just not his willingness not to adjust on Saturday. I think was a big, big reason why the four point advantage the United States team had. It just led him. It just got away from him in my bit. And I think the pairings were definitely to be questioned. Yeah, if we're, as you as you've been speaking, I've been color grading all of the different sessions played for international players and giving a green color grade for ones that I'm good with a red that I'm definitely not in a yellow where I'm like, and where I come out is like, see best three sessions feels just about right. See when we can four sessions. Maybe we would like to see him play five. Corey Connors point five. Totally understand your best Canadian player when you're 100% got to see. Yes. Hideki five. Absolutely. Pendreth five. You just mentioned it. That's a weird one to me. Like, you know, maybe four for him, but, but five feels like a lot when set the expense of other guys. Four, I would have put yellow. I would have said maybe we need to see three. Adam five completely good with that. Ben on three. Also a head scratcher. Like he's a guy that I would like to see more. He was a four. He was a four. He's a, he's a player that honestly it feels like he plays better with somebody else. He's been a, even a go all the way back to 2019. He was really good in that president's cup. So I think Ben on was, wasn't using not this week for, for what he brings to the table. That's just my opinion. I think Ben on was definitely a four guy. Even a guy you could have played five times. I think he was undervalued by Mike Weir. Absolutely agree there. We just mentioned Tom Kim for sessions. I mean, it feels like a guy you have to play five, especially because he's like the heartbeat of that team. Jason Day playing three just feels. That's the one that I think is the most criminal to me is just Jason Day. Four is perfect. Four is perfect. I definitely understand sitting him out one. Yeah. And you go down the list there and midwoo it too. That's a no brainer. Like he should have, you should have at least given him one more bad. Don't sit him out the entire day Saturday, especially for rookie. You want him to have those reps. He was able to have his singles match, which just tells you, hey, I think we, I think we screwed up on this one with midwoo. Well, and that's one of those ones too where it's like, so to, like to close out the list a little bit here. So, song J at five, I'm great with, he's an Ironman, you know, that's, you know, he didn't play well this week, but he's a guy with the talent where I'm fine with him playing five. But Mackenzie Hughes playing four, the midwoo playing two. To me, I just, I get the whole Canadian thing and I'm a fan of Mackenzie's and he's a guy that's a great putter. And if he makes a lot of those putts and changes the composition of the match, then you look like a genius. But when you, you have, we have Corey Connors and Mackenzie Hughes win that match in, you know, massive fashion on Friday and then he's decided, okay, we're going to run them back on Saturday morning, even though it's a different format. We're playing four ball instead of four sums now. And then they lose that match. That's where I say, okay, let's audible a little bit. We, you know, those guys had a great run, got us a crucial point, but let's try it out. Men will lean in the afternoon to go back to those guys again. That was a little bit strange to me. So that's where I think, you know, again, it's easy to play Monday morning quarterback, but some of these were just, yeah, I think a C is just about CC minus where I'd grade. And Mackenzie Hughes is another one. You have a red on that I think was, yeah, I think the big mistake on Mackenzie was that I wouldn't have sent him out on Saturday morning in the best ball. I would have had him just play Saturday afternoon and I would have had Cory play with somebody else Saturday morning. That to me was the big mistake there because I felt like Mackenzie was so good in that four ball, but really struggled on his own ball. And shoot, I mean, it was a weird morning. It was a foggy rain or fog delay that we had. And so it would throw your rhythm and timing off a bit and he never really had it that morning, but he played great in the afternoon. So that would be the one that, you know, I'm okay with Mackenzie Hughes playing four times. It just seemed like he needed a break that Saturday morning. I'm really most upset that we were robbed of the I really wanted to get Tom Kim, midwoolie partnership at some point along the way. Yeah, just for the young superstar vibes and you got Tom Kim, the international body of Kim. They were great and they were a phenomenal parent. I just want to see those guys once together. I'll disagree with you there and I wish that midwoo and Jason Day played together. Well, they, they, oh yeah, that's right because he played with Adam Scott on Thursday. That's a big miss. That was a big miss. Yeah. Yeah. So, and that's, that's how you end up at, I mean, listen, he could try some other stuff. I might not have panned out, but I do think there were some points left on the board there. So that's our, that's our grading of both teams looking at some points the sessions played. Smiley, just a few more minutes here as we kind of finish up the show. Shall we take a peek at that American Ryder Cup list as it stands now kind of play this forward or any other kind of closing thoughts you want to put on this present. Yeah, closing thoughts on President's Cup. I would give a grade for Jim Furek as a, I thought he was a, a very strong captain. Give him, give him an A and Mike where he said, see it best. Roll Montreal started the week. I was at a see, maybe see minus Thursday after that round, like with more roll Montreal crowds. I'll get, I'm kind of working my way here. All right. I, I'm like, all right, roll Montreal, like this just isn't the venue. The fans aren't showing up. I went from a C at the beginning of the week. So now I'm like C minus D plus. And then boy, oh boy, every single day this grade went up. It went up from, I think I got it all the way up to a B plus, you know, it was. The course grew on me, I would say that the front side was maybe not quite as electric as the back, but there were some really fun holes that I really enjoyed. It was a golf course that, you know, I think lacked a bit of length at times on the front, but the back nine really, really had some incredible holes and some big time moments. And also a huge shout out to the fans. They were incredible. Only a couple instances that barking of words that I, that I caught, but other than that, I just think overall the, the Montreal Canadiens fans were incredible. Well, and, and huge shout out to the fans on side, but also huge shout out to our fans and our viewers on YouTube because we, we kind of put it out there. Help us understand Canadian hockey fan bases and we got so many comments. I think that's what I learned this week. We've been doing some college football NFL talk, but really, we need to delve into the hockey world. There's one comment two days ago that I just have to read because this is from DM 10 dash or 90 on YouTube. Here, here is the, it was the most in depth comment we received on NHL fan bases. So we're just going to just put this out there and then, you know, if you want to agree or disagree in the comments, you can hear as well. But we're making Canadian NHL fan bases by radiness is tough because it is subjective and can vary depending on how the team is performing. Montreal number one, deep history, loud passionate fans, Winnipeg number two, small market, but incredibly vocal, awesome wide outs during the playoffs. Toronto number three, huge following more corporate, intense during playoffs, rival games, Edmonton number four. Rogers place was crazy during the finals this year. Calgary number five known for sea of red playoff tradition, wild crowds, Vancouver number six. Great fans to show up in the playoffs in Ottawa. The Ottawa senators, unfortunately, bring up the caboose choir fan base, but energetic when the team's good. He actually said something nice about all of those seven markets. So it's Ottawa's like Mississippi State got it. Wow. Mississippi State catching Australia. You hate to see it. Ring your cowbells in the comments if you care to. Yeah, no, I think that in terms of what I saw on TV, that sort of tracked and we really kind of built up a Christian of energy over the weekend and kind of went home on the weekend, but I'm like, I'm so ready for an Australian President's Cup with Adam Scott is like a playing captain. That's on my next wish list. So yes, well, the next one's in Chicago at Medina's. That's going to be, that's going to be a fun one. They just renovated that golf course. Jeff Ogleby did. So I imagine now he'll probably be the next captain you'd have to assume. So that could be a little sleeper cell job there. He like actually did it to set up for the international. Or maybe or maybe Jeff Ogleby will be the captain. Where's Jeff's from Australia? Yeah, OK. So maybe he'll be the captain of all Melbourne. Who knows? Yeah, a lot of the options there. So yeah, definitely. Well, OK, so just a briefly flip over. We named a couple of these, but just I just wanted to set the table for Bethpage because that's where we're all looking to next and a total shocker when I pulled this up. Scotty Sheffield is not leading the Ryder Cup point standings, at least as of July 22nd, 2024. I don't know how they're going to factor in bed ex cup standings, but Xander, number one on this list. This was right after his open championship wins. So that makes sense. Scotty number two. Bryson to Shambo number three. Call more common number four, Brian Harmon, fifth, Billy Horschel, sixth, Wyndham, Clark, seventh, Patrick Cantley, eighth, Russell, Henley, ninth, Tony, feet out, 10. So hit the gala, 11th and Max Homa, 12th. Brian Harmon, it's fifth. I'm reading with the official Ryder Cup website tells me it's also, it's also confusing to me because then I'm going further down the list. Sam Burns is 19th. So don't know how to make a lot of sense of that. I know how important it is to play well in a Ryder Cup year. The points serve are magnified much more in the year of the Ryder Cup. So yes, there are standings. They're not going to be quite as consequential of how you play in 2025 will ultimately be the, the X factor of how you make a team. Yeah, I'm just, I'm scrolling down the list. It's a, it's a pretty hilarious list when you get a little further down. Yeah, Keegan Bradley's 26 on this list. So he's going to have to pick himself if he wants to be a playing captain or you out and play great. I want Keegan playing in the Ryder Cup. And I think him and like as a playing calf, he's the perfect playing captain. Well, he said, he said that to us in Atlanta. Do you think he really, I just wonder how his mindset on that's going to shift over the courses next year? I mean, obviously I think it would be the players coming to him. You know, there's going to be six players at qualifying points and they're going to meet like they do once the points are finalized and talk about who they, who else they want on the team with them playing. And it's just advice you get from the players. He wants to take their advice, but they could be like, hey, Keegan, I know you're 11th on the points, but we, we really want you to be a playing captain. And I think that that that group of Scotty and Xander, I think they'll be, you know, very, you know, fair to to Keegan in this and, and either earned it or didn't. And I think Keegan will know that if it's, if it's close and he's in that six to 12. That's, that's kind of the spot in which I think who really lean heavily on the players and the vice captains of, hey, is this make sense, but because Keegan's a good, it's a good course that Bethpage is for Keegan. All right, so just, just for funsies. All right, just a little time capsule here. You're really going to look back on this and you're going to be hilariously wrong or like on the nose. Just give me your 12 right now. And Bethpage, you're going to be there. Or it can be who you'd like to see there. So however you want to do it, just give me a 12 man roster for the Americans. Okay, I'm just going to look at the list that you have right in front of me. So Patrick Kalley, Colin Workow, as Andrew Schofle, Sam Burns, Russell Henry, Scotty Schiffler. Man, it's going to be hard. Who's the one guy that's not going to make it? I'm going to give you somebody. I think Wyndham is somebody that's going to have to qualify on his points. I think he's been, I think that US Open wins really helped him be making points on the Ryder Cup and the President's Cup. He had a good first half of the year, the President's Cup, but Wyndham really is a guy that's been hit or missed and inconsistent like even this week. I just don't think you ever really know what you're going to get lately with his golf. And so if it comes down to a pick for Wyndham, although I do think that you do need a bomber out at a Bethpage and he's got plenty of experience. I think he's a player that you need to watch out for that maybe needs to elevate and just continue to play at the level in which he's played over the last couple years. And who that was not on this roster do you think is definitely going to be in Bethpage? Oh, I think JT's having a bounce back year. Yeah, I agree with that. I think JT's having a bounce back year. I have too many question marks with Jordan's wrists on how he's going to bounce back from that to know how he's going to perform this coming year because I don't think really Jordan knows either, but would have to see both of those two back on the team just. But yeah, even I'm trying to think of live guys too. Like, I think Brooks with Brooks and Bryson seem to be the two that just come to mind and maybe a DJ, but I just don't know if the motivation is for DJ. I don't, you know, Brooks, I can't even find him on this list right now, which, you know, which means that obviously it's always 33rd right here. So Brooks is going to have to do a lot in these majors next year to get back to win a major. But I think Bryson's kind of a lot at this point, which I think is, I mean, yeah, it's going to be epic. I know he can bring a lot of advice to the rest of the team on how he should run, how team should be run. He's used to the team thing. So that's another element, right? We got to live guy that can really just unify this group, bring that crushers mentality to this team room. We need that crushers mentality room. What about you? I mean, I kind of put me on the spot on that one and say, yeah, do you agree disagree with that? I think I think Tony Feenhouse, another guy that I'm like, gosh, I just want more out of Tony. Yeah, I mean, I think if I'm looking at this list and I'm eliminating guys who I don't think are going to be there, I think I don't think Harmon's going to be there. I think Wyndham is an interesting, you know, case study of a guy that's got a ton of talent and it should be there if he plays well as next year and will play well in events with, you know, elevated points, but, you know, it's going to need a strong year to do it. I think the same for kind of, as you mentioned, be now, the goal is going to be an interesting case study too. I think he's going to keep turning off. I think he's going to be on the team. I did too. I think so too. But I'm looking at this list and I'm like, dude, how much would it mean to Billy Horshel to be on a Ryder Cup team at an electric venue and Bethpage? And of course, he's got to go out and play well this year, but that would be a really cool one. Yeah, it's, I think JT is going to be in and around it, but I'm just kind of looking down and I love like a sleeper, like sort of a dark horse. I love a young guy. And I'm looking at like Davis Thompson at 25th and just kind of rooting for the guy. Like, let's go out and have like a great year and, you know, capitalize on what you did this year and to sneak in that team. Actually, but T at 30 second, like all those guys that could be cool to see in and around it, but that was a little bit of dodging the question there. But I agree with most of your calls there. And yeah, man, it's going to be Matt McNeely at 13th. Stop, dude. Remember the summer of Matt McNeely when I picked him every week and just hose me continuously. So that feels pretty comprehensive. My president's cup is officially in the books. I'm ready just to kind of get back home, unwind a little bit. I had some time at home. So I'm excited to. Yeah, it was a long week. It was a long week. Yeah. I mean, I, I got baby, you're on the way. Yeah, we're both. It's going to be this worked out great. Amanda really MVP. I know we've, we just, we just talked about a lot of MVPs from the president's cup, but MVP a plus grade for Amanda. Just keeping it down, keeping it down and keeping little girl at bay for just another week later. And you know what? Look, as much as I'd love to give credit to Amanda, I think she would have loved to have that baby out about a week ago. So I'm going to give the baby girl MVP awards. I'm going to go look at their hair. She's the one who stayed in there. She could tell now she can hold out until men's league semifinals on Thursday. Superstar. Superstar. I'm reporting everything you just said to Amanda as soon as, as soon as this is over and she is going to roll her eyes. I actually, I asked her, I was like, Hey, if we win the semifinals, it's like, Hey, how early can you take a baby like out? She's like, what do you mean out? Like, you know, like out in a stroller or whatever. She's like, I, as soon as they're born. Like, you know, okay, great. So if we make the finals, can I take her to the finals? Can I take her to the finals? Absolutely not. You will not be taking our baby girl in a stroller to men's league finals. Okay. Okay. Okay. If this is, this is, I have to take off my assistant captain's costume now. This is so sad. Maybe I'll bring it back for Halloween and make the baby girl the trophy. We'll figure something out here. Or maybe, how about, this is a good one. I'll, I'll wear just the vest and I'll go shirtless and I'll be Kevin Kizner. Kevin Kizner. Good. You feel a little on the spot interview there, by the way. That was good. Yeah. That was a fun one. Yeah. And, and, and, and watching Scotty chef or whole out his bunker shell was, that was another highlight of the trip. Yeah, darts, darts and red solo cups. You love to see it. Well, it's been, it's been a fun week, fun series of journals, as always. Appreciate you all tuning in with us and tracking the president's cup. And yeah, we'll, we'll hope to do a little bit more of this recap on the back end. Maybe bring some guests in to, to, to, you know, tie some loose ends, but we're excited for October. Sort of makes a different content. We're working on that tobacco road project and, and maybe some other, a different variety of instructional stuff as well, looking forward to that. But we appreciate you all supporting us as always watching a list thing and we will talk to you right back here very soon. Got a hunch about this football season? 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