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Alright, everybody. Welcome to wrestling with Ryan Hernandez. Ryan, what's going on, man? You're going good. You know where I am home for the weekend. So we get to film this episode live for only the second time. Exactly. Yep. Oh yeah. Another edition of wrestling with Ryan, our only our second live one. But today we're going to be talking about the infamous documentary on Netflix. About Mr. McMahon. That was good. Ryan, what are your quick thoughts about the whole thing? So I did watch all six episodes. A lot of the things I already had like new about knowledge on. But there was something that I didn't know when they talked about the whole steroids scandal. Like I didn't know about the whole, you know, that Vince also did steroids. You know, that I didn't even know that they had an outside doctor prescribing. Yeah. It wasn't some worth in WWE week. Yeah. That was commonplace in wrestling back then. I mean, it was speculated on pretty much everyone knew wrestlers were on steroids and all kinds of, you know, performance enhancing drugs. And that was just commonplace in the wrestling industry back then. You know, the schedule was just so brutal on these guys. Vince had these guys going, like they said in the documentary, seven days a week, you know, 52 weeks a year. And often times they would do two, three shows in a day. You know, they would have a show, which let's say the show is at Madison Square Garden. And then the B show would kind of be everyone else that wasn't performing on the Madison Square Garden show. They would be on the B show. And that was very commonplace. And sometimes they would do a C show, just depending on logistics. And so those guys were running rampant back then. Yeah. I think the very common critique of the documentary is that this is kind of just like a recap of the history of the WWE. More than it's a piece on Mr. McMahon himself, you know, or like at least the dastardly things that people have accused him of over the years. Yeah. And I know some people have been saying that it's a hit piece on Vince, you know, because it goes more in depth about all the bad and evil things he did compared to like, you know, the good things he did. I mean, they do talk briefly about some of the good things, you know, of like how he helped WWE expand and grow into the global juggernaut that we see it today. Exactly. And so let's go ahead with episode one. It's called Junior. It chronicles Vince's early life, Vince with his relationship with his father, Vince Senior, the chronicles Vince himself, not knowing his last name until he was 12 years old. Yeah. It was, they, they left a lot of stuff out because there's been some stuff over the years that have come out over Vince's childhood. One in particular that his mother, we used to sexually abuse him. They didn't really get into that in this documentary, but they used back Vince did a, an interview, I believe it was with Clay Boy or whoever it was. They, they documented Vince, he let it out himself that his mother used to sexually abuse him. So they didn't get into that specifically, but they did mention the abuse about his stepfather. What do you think about that? Yeah, you know, that's interesting because it's like, you know, I know people are seeing Vince is like, oh, he's, you know, he's the one that's doing like all that stuff. And so the fact that it's like Vince had that happen to him, it's like, you know, that's a side of Vince. We may not know about this side of Vince. We haven't really heard, you know, like it shows like a vulnerable side of Vince and even someone who's as powerful as Vince McMahon, you know, can, you know, be, can fall under, you know, those things like nobody safe, even with someone as powerful as he is. Mm-hmm, exactly. And so we kind of get a very good insight of to who Vince McMahon is, is a person because of the trauma that he went through as a child. You know, this kind of, it kind of makes sense of like the stories that come out later in life, who, you know, with all the rape allegations and this for the other. You kind of see the pattern here as a child, you know, Vince not getting the attention that he needed as a child from his parents, especially when Vince met his dad. His dad really was just like, okay, cool, you're my kid. All right, whatever, you know, it's not, it wasn't really anything special for Vince senior because he hadn't even been a part of Vince's life until he was 12 years old. Yeah, and it's one of those things where like, you know, when his, when Vince senior had, you know, the WWE, WWE web at the, at the time, you know, for him it was just like, you know, he wanted to celebrate. He never envisioned giving it to his son, you know, back then it wasn't the typical like, oh, you know, father handed to the son and then, you know, eventually they handed to their son and so forth. That wasn't the case with Vince senior, so Vince junior eventually had to buy out his own father to get the company. Yeah, no, I didn't know that gorilla monsoon was actually going to get the, the reigns of the company if Vince didn't, Vince junior didn't buy out his father. Yeah, that was, that was one of the things that I didn't know before, so that was interesting when I, when I found that out. Exactly. Yeah. To think that like, wow, even he doesn't even look to his own son to, you know, inherit his company. Exactly. Yeah, and so it's really, you know, you kind of just put the puzzles to the pieces where they belong and it kind of makes sense for the feature of Vince McMahon. You know, then going in further into the episode, you see Vince buying out his father and now Vince really going against his father's, you know, his whole, the dynamic of the whole wrestling world, you know, back then, back in the 70s, the 60s, 70s, it was a very territorial based, you know, not just one company, but he had many different territories, many different companies, back in, you know, back in those days. Yeah. So those played in different parts of the country. You had your LA territory, you had your, you had your Texas, you had your St. Louis, you had your, you know, this one and the other. You had so many other territories, Missouri, all that. Yeah. And then you have Vince Jr. eventually go into those territories, bring their talent over to the WWE, and it helps them become household names. And again, the old thing is like, oh, you know, you shouldn't be going to the territory, you know, you can't steal other talents. Like, that's, it became common in wrestling though, that, you know, people would seek other companies now and, you know, that's how you grow and you build, it's a business. Exactly. So Vince was very ruthless in his approach towards these guys. You saw guys like Rowdy, Rowdy Piper, the junkyard dog, Jesse Ventura, Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant. You saw him approach on all these different guys that were performers for different territories, offering them big contracts to come over to the WWF. And so that's how he was able to steal these guys and be able to grow the WWF into what it was. Yeah. And then the guys we named ended up becoming some of the biggest stars in not just the history of WWE, but in the history of wrestling as a whole. You know, especially like, you know, even if you're not a hardcore wrestling fan, like we are, you know, you know names like Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Stone Cold, Johnson. Even if you're not a wrestling fan, you know who those guys are. And that's one thing that Vince did very well. He knew how to make stars. He knew how to make big news. Yeah. And in the early days, you know, beginning days, and even for years, it was like that Vince knew how to, you know, get reactions from the crowd, whether it be positive or negative. Right. Because that was Vince's mind that he's like, any reaction is a good reaction, whether it's positive or negative. Right. Exactly. And so you saw, Vince was pretty much ahead of his time in the way he was thinking, you know, the territories was very much just kind of like, okay, so we're going to put on shows in this city, in this town, and we're going to have our stars, and we're going to have our own local television. And that's how the wrestling business was. It was territory based. Vince McMahon Jr. comes along by his father's company. And now he wants to take these territories, and he wants to converge every bit of these territories, all their stars, and make one big company that's global. You know, at least, or at least national at the time. And that's how you got the World Wrestling Federation getting going. You know, and so you saw all these different guys come together, and they built television, you know, nationally for the WWF. And so you're taking these guys, and so it just hit. It was the right, you know, right time, the right moment for these things, you know, in the 80s, you know, all these different things in pop culture were coming together, like MTV. All these different things, and the WWF fit in that category. Yeah, Vince would take advantage of anything he could, you know, to, you know, get in the media, to get in the public spotlight, whether it be appearing on talk shows, or even Vince at one point created his own talk show with WWE's talent. And that's how he got the idea from, like, oh, you know, he's been on talk shows, so he got the idea, like, ooh, I make my own talk show and make it so it's all my guys. Exactly. You know, get out there. I didn't know that Vince was on David Letterman, you know, I didn't know that he had made appearances on that show. It just seemed so wild to think about. You know, Vince McMahon now would never go on somebody else's show, but he did back then to grow his own company. And so, who knows, Vince were having the, you know, the foresight to do those type of things, and then he created TNT, the top show for the WWF at the time. And Vince was pretty much the lead host of that show, and he, it wasn't just about wrestling anymore. It was about entertainment. Yeah, and hence, that's why we get the whole switch from, like, oh, we're wrestling, no, we're sports entertainment. That's where the whole thing kind of originated, kind of started, you know, because it's like, yes, they're wrestlers and they're wrestling, but they're telling stories, and they're doing things to entertain the audience. You know, all these segments that you see. Exactly. Yeah, and so, it was awesome what Vince McMahon really created in his own universe, you know, building the WWE Universe, you know, for a better lack of a term. But you go from that, and then he gambles everything into WrestleMania One. You know, like you said, in the documentary, you have the Super Bowl, you have, you know, the World Series. Now you needed something for wrestling, but not just wrestling, entertainment too. So we build an entertainment side, yeah, the wrestling side come together, you have WrestleMania. And most of the other talent and even some of the reporters, Dave Meltzer, they even said, if WrestleMania fails, that's the end of the WWE. Like, that's it. It's go big or go home. Exactly. And Vince knocked it out of the park with the first WrestleMania. He did. You know, it was at Madison Square Garden, and, you know, it could not have went better for the company. And then after that, you have the rise of WrestleMania. And then once Hulk Hogan took off, I mean, it was, Skye was the limit for the company. Oh, yeah. Hulk Hogan was like the mainstay. He was, he was the John Cena back then. You know, he was the guy. He was in every, you know, big main event picture. In fact, I think he was, I think he main event at the first, like, five WrestleMania's six or seven. Six or seven, yeah. So Hulk Hogan was everywhere, and then he, it's surprisingly enough. He didn't lose his first WrestleMania main event until he lost to the Ultimate Warrior in the Intercontinental Championship, WWE Championship. Yeah. Unification match. Yeah. That was the first WrestleMania main event, Hulk Hogan lost. Yeah. You know, they, they really didn't talk about Ultimate Warrior too much. You know, they kind of skipped ahead. You know, they kind of mentioned, okay, Hulk Hogan was on top for many years at that point. And they wanted somebody new, so they created the Hulk Ultimate Warrior, but Warrior really didn't hit with the audience. I mean, he was very popular, but he wasn't Hulk Hogan. So they had to go back to Hogan at some points. Yeah. And it's because they said the Ultimate Warrior didn't have the charisma of Hulk Hogan. And when you look back at it, he really didn't. You know, Hulk Hogan, like, may not have been the best, like, in your interest, but he could connect with the crowd with his promos. He was just, Hulk Hogan was very likable, very lovable. Oh my gosh. Yeah. And so he was, and that's what the whole thing that they mentioned in the, in the first episode of the documentary too, is this whole thing was built towards kids. As the territories were built for adults, you know, the average working man, drinking man. Like the 18 to 34 demographic is like the big demographic they tried to get into. But the World Wrestling Federation built their whole industry around what can we market for kids? So Saturday morning cartoons, toys, you know, action figures, clothes, everything that you can market for kids, the WWF did at that point. And it took off. And that, it ended up working out really well for the company, you know. Their, like, numbers went up, revenue was up, like, everything was going up. Like, everything was going perfect for the WWF. Like, it was everything they were trying to do ended up working to perfection. Yep. And then, you know, you have that and it was just the boom period, the Golden Age, the Golden Era of the wrestling. And people still look back on this era as the greatest era of wrestling because that's what, number one, that's what they grew up with. And number two, really, I mean, like, besides, like, I think the attitude era was bigger, but, I mean, this was, this set the industry going forward for forever. You know, you can't, you can't necessarily say that without this boom period, there would be a wrestling, you know, feature because there really wouldn't be, it would just be territories, and it would die out. If it wasn't for, if it wasn't for a name like Hulk Hogan, wrestling would have never gone as popular as it did. No, exactly. Like, it wasn't just Hulk Hogan, but he was like the main like, focal point, you know, but it was like, he was another popular one. Ultimate Warrior was very popular, Roddy Piper was very popular because he was considered an underdog by a lot of fans, a lot of fans were able to relate to him. Exactly. And so now you have, coming out of the Golden Era, Hulk Hogan had been on top for many years, and now things are getting to a point where people are looking into what these guys are doing. And so now there's a lot of, just scrutiny, and the eventually Vince McMahon gets indicted on charges for supplying wrestlers with steroids. And then, yeah, they create the whole big lawsuit, but then we come to find out later, Vince wasn't actually the one like supplying it. He was letting it happen, but he wasn't physically or verbally, like, doing it himself, and that's kind of what this whole case was about because they were trying to say like, "No, Vince did it, like, we're gonna throw him in jail for that." And ultimately, the end, they found like, "No, Vince did it, he really was just somebody from the outside just doing it." Yeah, so the whole point was them trying to convict Vince on supplying these guys with steroids and giving them the needles and all the other pills to do so. And yeah, and so really the trial went on for a year or two years, and so at the end of it, Vince was not filmed guilty, but there was a lot of ramifications coming out of it. At this point, Hulk Hogan was on the outside of the company, had come back for WrestleMania 9 at this point, and then they had put the title on him, but then he left in '93. And Hogan really just, you know, his time had just ran up in the WWF, and he didn't want to do it anymore. He was done with wrestling, and so that's when he wanted to pursue acting, you know, being on television, and I remember when he first told Vince that it was actually Vince said that him and Hulk Hogan spent two days in the hotel room writing a script for a movie. And then of course, Vince says like, "Oh, you know, it wasn't the best movie, but it wasn't the worst movie either." Because Vince didn't want to lose Hogan because Hogan was his guy, so he's like, "Okay, here, I'll do this with you that way, you know, I still work with you, maybe he can convince Hulk Hogan to stay in the company." But ultimately at the end, Hulk Hogan still left, he pursued acting, didn't work out. The industry had taken a hit. It was, business was way down at that point. You know, he's talking about, they had essentially lost Hulk Hogan. He had signed with WCW yet. But, you know, business was way down at that point, and so you had to have built stars not only for the younger generation, but guys that didn't look like the size of Hulk Hogan ultimately worked. Because why? Because those guys were jacked up on steroids. In fact, when the Hogan did come back at WrestleMania 9, and then when he signed at WCW, Hulk Hogan was noticeably leaner. But the WWF needed to market guys like Sean Michaels, Bret Hart, Undertaker, guys that weren't necessarily jacked up on steroids, or at least didn't give the appearance of it. Although there was Lex Luger, who did kind of, he was a bodybuilder, but they weren't marketing those type of guys. You had younger guys that had more of an athletic build, and so they wanted to market the more of the athlete towards the new generation WWF. But, business was way down at that point. You know, going off the Golden Era, it was bad. Times were bad. They didn't know if they were going to be able to, you know, have a feature of the WWF, you know, at some points, they were very close to bankruptcy. They weren't drawing very many crowds. In fact, if you look back at that, at the time in '94, '95, I mean, they were putting WWE for all in high school gyms. You know, it was, yeah, it was really, really bad. You know, it's not like today where, you know, arenas are sold out. And then you had the whole period of, you know, the Monday Night Wars coming into play, you know, after, you know, Ted Turner starts WCW alongside Eric Bischoff. Yep. And, you know, WCW, of course, bringing in a bunch of old WWE guys, people that Vince himself and other WWE fans bought their WCW for life. They would never be Vince. And I remember Hogan even told Vince, like, I'm never leaving. He was like, I always have, have your back. And that's another thing, looking back at the, at the case, is Hogan spoke the truth and he didn't, he did not out, Mr. McMahon. And that's, he, though Hogan is part of the reason why Vince came out of that lawsuit successful because Hogan, even though he was with WCW or was going to, going to sign with WCW, he still had a bit of his back in that. In that regard. And that's why we had the whole WCW beat Raw or Monday Night Joe beat Raw for 83 week straight. Well, yeah, you had, at that point, you know, Hogan was still a babyface in WCW. And things weren't going very well for Hogan in WCW. I mean, they were drawing, but that the whole red and yellow persona was getting played out. And so that's when at Bastion the Beach, Bastion at the beach in 1996, you had the outsiders that just came from the WWF at that point. They were invading WCW. And, and as everybody knows, Bastion the Beach, you know, you had Hogan become the third guy in that whole storyline. And he turned, and he turned that guy. And then that's when the NWO was born. And it's when we saw this, you know, Hollywood Hogan. And then that was, that was really truly the, the start of the Monday Night Wars because at this point, the WWE was losing in the rings. And WWE said they built their whole entire show off of who can be marketed. They were going to market the adults, the 18 to 34 audience. The WWF at that point, they were still trying to build off a children. You know, you had guys like, every, every character in the WWF was a job title, you know, you had deep, the dumpster jersey. You had all these IRS, you had the clown. You had, it was all job occupations, you know, but very much marketed towards kids. And Vince had no choice but to change the way they were programming their television into a more adult centric television. And we see the birth and rise of the attitude era. And that's when we see a big name, you know, big names like Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock coming out. Cause you know, when the, when the, when Stone Cold started off, he was, you know, studying Steve Austin and then The Rock was Rocky, Maya Villa. And then, you know, that's when Rocky got the whole like, die rocky, die chance. Oh, he slowly transitioned into new, like, The Rock can be coming to heal. And Stone Cold was told he was going to win the King of the Ring because I think, oh, yeah, we talked about it, because Triple H was planned to win the King of the Ring. But because the whole, the current call with the clique Vince Punisher statement gave to Stone Cold and then Stone Cold said his very famous Austin 316 promo. And we saw the rise of Stone Cold Steve Austin. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. You know, they go through the whole thing of the current call with Nash and Hall leaving. Sean Michaels was the WWF champion at that point. And who's going to get the brunt of the discipline? It was going to be Triple H because Triple H was practically nobody back then. Now, you know, you had Stone Cold as King of the Ring and that really just took, he took his character off from that point, you know, Stone Cold was beginning to be a household name. He started to get really popular with the fans. And then he started building towards what Stone Cold would become a couple years later. But yeah, at this point, WCW was still kicking the WWF's ass in the ratings war for 83 weeks in a row. And they were really just, it was really just based off the backs of the NWO. The NWO was red hot at this point. There was, you had so many guys coming in and out of the NWO, you had Dennis Rodman at some point. But then at some point, you know, like the NWO really just started to dive down and then the WWF really just started to take off. You know, the WWF was building towards a newer market towards the teenager adult type of audience. And then you started seeing the formations of degeneration next. Stone Cold was taken off. They had really lewd and sexual segments in the shows. You used to have bra and panties matches. Brows and panties matches. I mean, but not even that. Like if you go back, I mean, obviously they're not going to show this on the peacock or the network these days, but there was some nudity on these shows. I mean, you talked about, I remember as a kid, I remember we used to rent VHSs and it was a pay-per-view, fully loaded. And you had Miss Jackie, she was like, they were in a, her ensemble were in a like a lingerie contest or something. But Miss Jackie, Jacqueline Moore, she was wearing like a very like a stringy top and she had, she was very busty. And she just like quickly like moved the string of the top. And like her whole boob was like exposed on television. It's just like, and I remember they showed that on the VHS and I'm just like, as a kid, I'm like, oh my God. And I, you know, if you look back, you know, the cat, formerly Jerry Waller's wife, she exposed her boobs on a pay-per-view. Yeah, a couple other instances where that happened, but it wasn't just bras and pannies matches. I mean, they were going full on with the whole, with this whole like, you know, sexual nature on television. Yeah, that's why that was the whole point of like, you know, like, Sable's character, Stacey Keibler's character. It even Trish Shash character at one point, you know, they were used as like sexual like objects, you know. Yeah, for kind for like arousal and amusement. Yeah, I mean, going in. Hence, that's where we get like the whole like, oh, Trish, get on all fours and bark like a dog. Yeah, that was a couple years later, but yeah, they, they do talk about that the time more of Vince on television, on live on Monday Night Raw. He, he had, he had Trish go on all fours. Um, I'll never forget. It was the thing, it was Paul Heyman's first night on commentary and he goes, mom, I came to Washington, D.C. and I got to see Bush. Um, but, uh, the envelope was really pushed at that point and, you know, it worked for the WWF. It was really an exciting time, you know, because of all these different things going on. You know, so many different guys in the WWF were main, main event guys Austin, Rock, Mankind, Triple H, um, you name it. Everyone during that point had a storyline and it worked for the WWF and WCW wasn't able to keep up. They weren't able to keep up. And then, um, you know, at that some point in 1999, the WWF really just took off and WCW just really died off. Yeah, and then of course 1999 was also a very infamous year because you had the over, over the, over the edge. It was, we had the, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you had the, you know, the incident with Owen Hart falling in, you know, on his death and the whole controversy of like been saying the show should go on and everybody gave him a lot of criticism and a lot of slack for it. And it even did a lot because at the time, this was when Bret Hart was left for WCW and even Bret Hart is like, oh, I think they did this as a way to get back, back at me. You know, and then that you also had the whole screw job, which happened a couple years prior, the year prior, I believe. Yeah, it was like a year and a half prior, we kind of skipped over that, but we can talk about it. I mean, it was, the screw job has been talked about everyone's eating for years and years and years. Um, there was really no information that was necessarily new for the screw job that they had talked about, but everyone knows about it. You know, the biggest thing that kind of surprised me was, man, Bret, Bret still gets emotional off of it, you know? Yeah, and I mean, I knew that like Triple H and Shawn Michaels like knew, but I didn't know that Vince Flatt told him like, no, you lie and say you have no idea. Oh, yeah, that part, that part, I did not know. I didn't know that part personally, but like the whole, the whole segment about, you know, talking about the screw job and it's just like, you know, because Bret, Bret did not want to lose the title to Shawn. Yeah. He was fine with like dropping the title just not to, not to Shawn because they had legitimate beef, you know? They really hated each other. Like for them, it wasn't just a storyline. Like in real life, Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart really hated each other and you know, and then Bret's also one of those things. He's like, he doesn't want to lose the title in Canada to Shawn Michaels. Yeah, at that point, Bret and Shawn had just a blood feud going on. I mean, these guys in personal life really hated each other. I mean, you had to have really just, I mean, watching it at that point was just, you saw the blood feud between these guys. So, you know, there was, it's been much documented. The whole hair pulling incident backstage before but an eye at raw where Bret and Shawn Michaels got into it and they got sent home. And these guys really just hated each other. And you even had Shawn Michaels say it in dark manner. He's like, yeah, how's an asshole back then? Yeah, I was an asshole back then. Exactly. It's true. I mean, of course, Bret did something like that. You know, that's not cool either, but yeah, these two really hated each other and it took years for them to actually like, you know, make a man and actually like, you know, have respect for each other and actually like each other. Exactly. Yeah. So, then you have, you know, that kind of, you know, bled into Bret leaving for WCW. And then Owen Hart staying with the WWF. Owen wasn't really focused on anymore. He was kind of made fun of in story lines. And then he was supposed to be the blue blazer over the edge. And unfortunately, Owen Hart was part of an accident that caused him his life. And that was really the first real tragedy I remember of wrestling. I remember being a little kid and then just watching on the news that Owen Hart died. I was like, Oh my God, Owen Hart, really? Like, that's, that's freaking crazy. You know, yeah, we're getting into a lot right here. You know, we're really opening it up here, getting deep here. But I mean, this first half a documentary, you just, you know, really eye-opening. You really give you like a different perspective on things too, on how things were running and, you know, stuff like that. And then I know it's in, it'll be in our next episode, but with the whole thing with like, you know, Shane and Stephanie, that's, for me, that's pretty interesting. It really is, too. It'll be, it'll be interesting when we get into that. Exactly. Oh yeah, definitely. But yeah, I feel like this episode went where I really good, Ryan, anything you want to, you want to plug? Anything I want to plug? Yeah. Well, in case you guys haven't been checking, we do have a new X page. We've updated our Instagram. We have updated a logo for this show. Yes, sir. Mike has an updated logo for his Let's Go Lakers podcast. So you'd be sure to check that out. You know, we have a lot of good stuff in the works, a lot of good content. Exactly. Yeah, guys, you know, all exciting stuff coming up. We have a Let's Go Lakers podcast coming up on October 1st. Um, we have a lot of stuff coming up in terms of documentaries that I'm working on. Um, as you listened to before, we haven't let a, uh, are the Clippers podcast, not podcast. Actually, it is in podcast. It's a, uh, it's on YouTube. Um, it's a documentary, but also you have the podcast versions on all the streaming platforms. Yeah. So look it up if you want to. Yeah. And not, not to like, you know, to my own or anything, but I am working on a little project of my own. Mike is helping me like behind the scenes. So that'll be, it'll be a little bit of a ways away. But just to give you a small little preview, you know, you guys know I love Johnson and Johnson is my guy. He's my goat. He's my idol, my hero. Um, sexual partner. And then see, seeing how, you know, he's having his retirement tour. I'm just doing, you know, a little something, you know, to contribute to my hero. Exactly. All right. Sounds good, man. We'll see you next one on the next one. Uh, we'll be talking more about the vid stock and then tune in for much, much more. Yeah, there's a lot of good stuff going in the work. So, you know, thank you guys for listening. We really appreciate you guys bringing on this journey with us. You know, spread, spread the word. Check out the new, the new socials, the new X page, the new Instagram, TikTok, Facebook. 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