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He's so disappointed you guys. Jack Harbaugh taken over the victorious press conference last night. But I'm not so sure that the reporters are supposed to be. Yeah, they're not trying as if he's just going to fall. This isn't the Aaron Rodgers introductory press conference with the Jets where they had a room full of employees who were hooting, hollering, clapping. There is national media there. Neutral observers. Yeah, these are people who aren't supposed to be part of the folks who were saying who's got it better than us and nobody. But the. He was legitimately disappointed right there. He was. I don't think he understood the whole press conference dynamic, but he just wants to be able to get that response anytime he says it anywhere he goes because he's used to getting it. Oh, he would probably kick my ass. I mean, how old is he? He's got to be between 80 and 85. Okay. He's got to be 85. Wow. 85 years old. Yeah. I mean, he could still belt it out right there. And yeah, he probably could belt you too. I'm generally fine with the idea of dropping dead before I turn 80 because I don't want to be 85. But when I see a guy like that, I hear you in a done day to pull it off. I hear you. I used to just. Literally said, I got a 75. That's good. I don't care. Quality. You won't make it that long. I don't know. I am going to try. It's like you don't make it long, especially the higher you go on quality literally the longer. The lesser you go on quantity. Exactly. Well, I'm definitely more of a quality than quantity guy. But I do your point. I do see 75 year olds and 80 year olds and I go, damn, I mean, they're maybe I should hang in there. Maybe I should take one less puffer drink this week, you know, the closer you get to it. The more you pay attention, like, right, I need to rethink that strategy a little bit. But Jack Harbaugh still getting it done. The Ravens getting it done after starting 0 and 2 with the near miss in Kansas City. The ugly loss at home to the Raiders where they blew another fourth quarter lead. They go to Dallas, try to blow another fourth quarter lead, emerge with the win. And then they left no doubt. And I'm always curious when a narrative takes root. The players on the field on both sides, feel it. And they sense it. Here it comes. Here it comes. And it never really did for the Ravens last night credit to them. They kept the foot on the throats of the team that had been the best team in football. Now not right 35 to 10. You can't lose like that. Be regarded an elite team. Yeah, it's a statement. It's a statement by ball tomorrow who we know has the potential and a lot of the pieces to be the elite team you're talking about. I think even more so than the Buffalo Bills who I think we still have questions about the whole team. We know the quarterbacks awesome and all that. But yes, they're still I think there to their questions and things we need to unpack a little bit. But when you come to the Ravens too, Mike, I mean, you talked about it is the third quarter got a little bit shaky. They came out again in pass mode and you were like, what you just just ran the ball down the throats of the Buffalo Bills. The whole first half, you know, why do that? But then they make the play on the strip sack fumble with Josh Allen and that kind of was like, all right, see you later. You're done for the night. But ultimately Baltimore two weeks in a row, you know, I know we talked about this last week a little bit on Monday. Hey, you got to be great at something and two weeks in a row, we've seen them go. We got big linemen. We got the greatest running quarterback in football and we're going to come right at you and we're going to make you defend that and then we'll go from there. And I think that's what I love more than anything about the Ravens is they're playing to their strengths of their football team and all the big plays and 300 yard passing games. They're going to come if they continue to do this because now it's two weeks in a row of bludgeoning people and teams are going to start to go who next week they got the Cincinnati Bengals, I believe, and they're going to pack the box being worried about it and it's going to make Lamar in the pass game look good and doesn't matter when Derek Henry is still Derek Henry. There was this concern. He's 30. You never know when the wheels are going to come off for a running back. The wheels are spinning fine as we see on this play where he goes 87 one cut and gone. It helps to have a hole where you don't even have to twist your shoulders to fit through it. Yeah. But this is the classic Derek Henry. If you let him get the first two or three steps, right, he is gone and they did not. I mean, tomorrow Hamlin was trying his damp to close ground on him and he did a little bit, but he wasn't going to catch him. No. Derek Henry is still Derek Henry. Yeah. So last week, poor Jerry Jones, in the aftermath of losing to the Ravens and having Derek Henry gain 151, not 199 like he did last night, Jerry's like, we couldn't afford him. Then he get asked about it later in the week and he cut off the question, but then it became clear as he meandered his way through the word salad. Yep. Yeah. This is just the latest example of you're going to have regrets from time to time. Right. Because he mentioned Randy Moss. Right. How they missed on Randy Moss. Right. They missed on Derek Henry. A lot of teams missed on Derek Henry. Anybody could have had Derek Henry. $5.1 million cap number this year. Any team could have had Derek Henry. The Giants could have back-filled Sequam Barkley with Derek Henry if they wanted. Right. Steel of Steel's. Right. I mean, Steel of Steel's credit to them to do their research and go, hey, he's still got gas left in the tank like you're talking about here. This is not some guy that's, you know, going to come here and kind of just fall off planet earth and not be the same that way. Good for the Baltimore Ravens to play to what they are again, to the being this big physical powerful football team. That's what they're built to be. That's what was crazy about the first game of the year this year when they just dropped back against Kansas City and Lamar was throwing the ball at everything there or late in the year last year, the playoff game against Kansas City especially. But can we show that replay of the touchdown again? They have a creative run game. They give you headaches, let alone the Lamar Jackson running factor off of the run game. And that's where it's their greatest schematical advantage they have and their greatest physical advantage. And when I look at the the back end of this play and maybe you guys could slow down. I mean, again, they trap the guard there with record like cool little concept to start the football game. They open up the big hole like you talk about. But one, it's taken advantage of your strengths, Mike. And the other thing is, and this we've hit on this Buffalo's not real big. They have two linebackers that are 25 pounds less than Derek Henry. Their defense attack on one of them's 285. So what I'm saying again, is I'm proud of Baltimore for two weeks in a row coming out saying, no, no, this is what we are. Forget the Lamar contract and all that. All that stuff will happen. We're going to do this and win football games. That play encapsulates the one line that I always hear when we go to the scouting combine in Indianapolis in February about the 40 yard dash. You only ever run 40 yards in a straight line when something really good is happening or when something really bad is happening. And it's usually both at the same time, because it was pretty damn good for Derek Henry. And you saw tomorrow, this isn't that good. This is not good and it was not good for the Buffalo Bills last night. But if they can keep doing this and there's no guarantee, you can't be one dimensional because when they take away the one thing that you're so good at, you've got to be able to pivot to something else. That's going to be the challenge. If and when they stuff Derek Henry, and we know it'll happen. It's not going to have 200 yards every game or close to it. He would have had 200 last night, but for the fumble near the goal line that was recovered by Ricard in the end zone. But you got to be able to pivot to something else. And I think they can. I do too. I'm with you. They just need to be ready to be ready for what had happened. Right. Right. You know, keep playing this style. Right. You keep doing this. And they're going to get to the point, Mike, where, hey, a team like Cincinnati who has a bad defense, it's a horrible run defense. They're going to have to play some defenses next week. And this is what will happen with Baltimore is that teams will play such aggressive run stopping defense that it's going to be like, Oh my gosh. Now we have to start calling the passes. We got optimal looks for Lamar and Zay Flowers and Rashad Bateman. And I think, you know, to your point, we know Lamar has made incredible progress as a passer. And he can dice you up that way. And I think these receivers are damn good too. And you couple of the tight ends in with it. When that comes time for, Hey, wait, this team slowing down our run game. We got to rely on the pass game. I think they got the group and the quarterback to do that. There's no doubt about it. But stay with this run game. That's the most important thing. Let's hear from Derek Henry on the 80s. Well, let's watch the highlights. All right. Let's watch. These are good. The highlights started. I was getting ready to transition to before we started talking about what he's going to do. He's going to do it when he needs to. I can grow it. It's easier to do it when he got Derek Henry and it was that one play that I thought was so beautiful where he does the quick fake pass and then hand it off. To Justice Hill, who just shot right up the middle, like you freeze everybody thinking it's going to be a quick screen. Yeah. And then boom, you just run it up the middle when you have defenses on their heels. They have them on the heels. Yes. That's right. That's the key. They give you a lot of different looks and things to worry about run game and pass game. And that's what you want to do. The goal I think on either side of the ball, we see it in Minnesota and we'll talk about that game later in the show, their defense and their offense. Yeah. Opponents are constantly wondering what the hell is going on. It becomes so much harder to counter it because instead of just doing what you do, you've got that moment of hesitation where you're trying to diagnose what the hell they're doing. Yeah, sure. And while you're trying to diagnose it, the next thing you know, Derek Henry is running 40 yards, the good kind. Right. And you're running 40 yards of the bad kind. Right. Trying to catch him. That's the problem. You know, because the game, physically, everybody is relatively equal. There are some freaks in a good way, as you used to say, that stand out, but yeah, figuring out what you're doing. And the more you can mix it up, the harder it is for the opponents to figure out what's happening in real time, because they're trying to catch you or impose their will on you. Right. Right. Here's Derek Henry talking about his 87-yard touchdown run and the Ravens on their rushing attack generally. Yeah, I feel pretty good about that play all week. Just as they're running the room and talking about how that play is always successful since they've been here. It's always been explosive. So I was anticipating it, but you know what I'm wearing, you know, they did a great job. Oh, line. I'm seeing a great job, telling, blocking it. I just had to make more cut and be tensile. And Derek Henry, you know, he opened up the play-action game. You know, guys running to the ball, trying to stop him from getting, getting started in the backfield and off some lines and did a great job, giving Derek Lane's receiver did a great job as well, you know, blocking down the field and then Derek do his things. Shout out to the tight ends as well. I mean, that's kind of always been what we've been about. You know, I think if you look back in the history of the organization, even before, you know, running the ball and playing great defense, and then we have weapons. You know, we're just blessed with weapons. I mean, one of them just walked in here right now, best weapon in football right there. And everybody rallies around him, and he distributes to everybody else. So that's where it starts, but the run game, yes, the run game is massively important to us. Well, and having Henry and featuring Henry swings the pendulum back in the direction where Hollywood Brown wants out. Remember that, Hollywood Brown wanted out. The receivers last night, Rashad Bateman, one target, one catch for 23 yards. Yeah, right. Nelson Agilar, three targets, two catches for 10 yards, eight flowers, two targets, one catch, 10 yards, Mark Andrews was targeted once with no catches. I say likely two targets, one catch for 26 yards. The other passes went to running backs, just to sell in Derrick Henry. Yeah. So when it gets out of whack like that, yes, you're winning, right, but when it gets out of whack, you've got some guys who want to have the football in their hands. No doubt. Like what the hell's going on? No doubt. No, you're right about that. And then again, I think the more they do this right here and show that they're elated this, it's going to make teams have to overplay it, and it's right around the corner. That's what I would say to Raven Sands is just calm down the big, the big passing plays, Zafelowers, you know, bombs, all of that's going to work. But also Mike too, if they're going to play this way, they need to start putting Zafelowers and Rashad Bateman, a part of the run game a little bit reverses a few screens off the fake runs or whatever else, the RPO screens that we know are so popular in football. And I think they got to find ways to do that too. They did that in Dallas a little bit, but still hopefully those guys could be patient. I know Zafelowers and Bateman are good guys to wear their team guys. Yeah, I don't know how long they'll like these stat lines, but I think winning certainly will delay it. And then I do think the big plays will come, but yeah, impressive by Baltimore. Two weeks in a row where I guess it was two ugly losses, and I know that they let Dallas come back, but at their best when they're playing really good, man, Baltimore does look like one of the better teams in football when you put it all together and they seem like they're going on an upward trajectory right now. You mentioned they have the Bengals next week, the week after that, the commanders, the quick trip over which that game all of a sudden looks like it's really compelling. I want to deviate just for a second, but it is connected. Okay. I want to give you two coaching resumes very briefly as the start of an unexpected unplanned conversation. Okay, I like this. Yeah, don't let me say it. One coach has a career record of 174 and 111 and a postseason record of 12 and 10 with a Super Bowl win. Right. The other coach has a career record of 180, 115 and two, 11 and 11 in the postseason with a Super Bowl win. Wow. Okay. Yeah. One is on the hot seat right now. Okay. The other one is never on the hot seat. Right. Do you know who they are? One's Doug Peterson and one's, no, one's John Harbaugh and the other one's Mike McCarthy. Okay. And I had someone call me this week, right, who's disconnected from either team and say, and this is where I want to be careful because this wasn't my idea, John. I got a long day today. If you want to call and yell at me, that's fine. This wasn't my thought. What? But the question was, why is McCarthy on the hot seat and why is Harbaugh never even mentioned as being on the hot seat? Right. It goes a long way toward avoiding that. Yeah. But, you know, Super Bowl champion deep into the rear view mirror, McCarthy 2010, right, Harbaugh 2012, right. And just this general sense of I get you underachievement, right? Why aren't they, you know, and it's just, and maybe it's just as simple as the Cowboys are the focus of everyone's attention and the Ravens aren't. And I've been asked the question about Harbaugh in the past. It's like, well, after they won the Super Bowl, they had to deal with the back end of the Patriots dynasty and the front end of the Chiefs dynasty. What the hell are you supposed to do? What are you supposed to do? I think that's, I mean, it's a valid point. But anyway, that, that, I was let alone what one guy had without question, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time and only one one. I think that's what hurt them a little bit in that whole conversation. And then how some of the games ended and how they lost them. I think also hurt him too, whether it's the 49ers, stupid, Ziki Lele, it's snapping the ball or the, or the spiked the ball and they missed a field goal to tie it and all that stuff. Or being blown off the field. Although, you know, they got, the Ravens got blown off the field is the one seat by the Titans. Yeah. Yeah. I hear you. I know. Listen, I hear you there. I know. But there is a different feel and you're catching me off guard to maybe where I can't get all my ducks in a road. Oh, I'm sorry. I did that. I don't know. And I really, I wasn't going to do it. Yeah. It would fit better if they had lost. Right. Right. Because they're roughly the same guy I hear you accomplishment wise, but there is a different sense to it. There's a different sense. And I feel, here's another thing too, is I feel like when the regular season, and I know that Harbaugh might not have the postseason record we would like him to have, but there's also less regular season blunders, I guess I would say throughout his career, right, where you feel like they beat the teams they were supposed to beat. And Dallas under Mike McCarthy, they had some games sometimes where you're like, what? They lost to them. They lost that way. How did they do that? And I think that adds to it too. Well, and you throw in that 2014 NFC Championship, which was inexcusable the way the Packers blew that one in Seattle. No question. No question. Harbaugh doesn't have that on his resume. Right. Right. And I think the fact that the constant Shakespearean drama with Aaron Rodgers and how hard is he working? Yeah. Is he really doing everything he can? McCarthy, I'm saying. I got you. Get the most out of the team. Right. Harbaugh has never had that. He's never had that relationship with the quarterback where he's got to worry about the quarterback being passive aggressive or as if aggressive as we may be, we point that on Thursday. Right. And I just think generally Harbaugh seems, all due respect to Mike McCarthy, he just seems more like he's got his shit together. Yeah. I hear you there. Just every way he carries himself. He conducts himself. Yeah. The confidence he expresses when he speaks, there's just a, there's a difference between the guys that way. I just thought it was an interesting question. And I reacted the same way you did when the guy called me last week and raised. I was like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, because I'm thinking, right, it's two completely different guys. Why are we going to have this conversation? Sure. Oh, crap. Look at the similarities in their achievements, the numbers that don't lie are very, very similar. No, no, no, no, they've, you know, been physically dominant, right, probably with the attitude that I think mirrors their coach and hardball that we all respect that helps them. And then I think the other aspect of this is he has taken the route, whether he liked it or not. I mean, really probably forced on him to a degree through the drive of they went to a offense that is kind of unknown and unseen and it was there the first to really do it in the NFL and just go, wait, we're going to get a running quarterback and we're going to make it about the run and we're going to run with him and we're going to run with our stable or running backs and you're not going to know where it's going to hit you, but it's going to be more running and more running and doing that. And I think too, because they are kind of at the front of the line as far as going all in in that area and that type of offense, I think that's probably, you know, bottom of a little favor as well. I think maybe with the NFL media and the fan base. And again, that was just kind of an impulse I got this morning and I thought it was a good time to have the conversation since I only have you once a week, right, right. Let's have the conversation now because if not, we won't have it until whenever I get you back three days a week and by then Mike McCarthy might be fired. So it won't matter. Okay. There was a coach last year who spent plenty of time on the hot seat until there was a hit piece that really caused the team to coalesce. They went on a run. Yeah. They finished the seat. Okay. I'm flipping it over to the bills. Here's Josh Allen talking about the loss that will be hung on him, the bills and coach Sean McDermott. They had a good plan, a good pressure plan. They made more plays than we did and, you know, it was evident right away. They had more urgency than we did and that's something we'll correct. Not everything was bad in this game. I don't want us to come away from this saying, you know, we're the worst and lots of learn from them. I'm glad this happened early in the season so we can correct things and we're not going to let this, again, avalanche, the guys that we have in this building are smart. The guys have played a lot of football in their careers, so they understand the ebbs and flows of an NFL season and, you know, this is going to happen time to time. You know, sometimes you walk into a building and they were bus all the night and they kicked our butt. You know, that's what it comes down to. I'm not trying to be an ass when I say this. He talks about lack of urgency and will correct that. I don't know how you correct lack of urgency and I don't know how you get to the point where you lack urgency. Well, you have 17 games. Every game should be urgent. Right. And the ones that are played under the lights on Sunday night, you would think there is a built-in urgency that the normal game doesn't have. I hear it. I don't know how you go out onto the field where your team collectively hasn't flipped the switch. That's what's weird to me. Well, correct it. Yeah, you know how you correct it? Yeah. You flipped the switch. That's the first place. That's what's weird to me. I hear you there. You know, I think this is where the psychology of the game comes into play a little bit. And you know, you have usually a pretty good feel for, wait, this team's up this week. This team might be down this week because of what happened. And I think that kind of had us a perfect storm. They had the emotional butt whooping on a short week against Jacksonville that they got up and got to where you like them to be, right? The switch was flipped up big time. But hey, it's now, hey, we're good. We're feeling good. And you know how that goes. Hey, you're one of the undefeated teams in football, Josh, I was the best player in football, Baltimore on the other hand is going, wait, we're one and two and we almost even blew it last week against Dallas. So they were, they obviously were the more emotional, intense football team when they took the field. There was no doubt about that. It does happen in football and at the desperate time. I'm not wrong. I'm not wrong. Here's just like, how do you not know that if you're the bills? How do you not know walking into the lions down? Do you know it, but it's still sometimes to get it going and get it redlining and doing that. You need a little desperation on your end too. And there right now we're feeling confident, we're good and we just whooped the Jaguars and all of that. And I think they fell into that trap. Let alone Baltimore is going, wait, if we go to one and three, we're in deep crap. And we've lost the Chiefs and now we've lost the bills and oh man, now playoff time, we might not even get a home playoff game. So that's where their intensity rose to another level as compared to Buffalo. I'm just throwing this out as I think about it. Right. You're deep thoughts today. Well, no, because from the bills perspective, there are three and oh, they're in control of the division, sort of. You got the jets behind you. How aware is a team that's playing at night? If it's got a rival in the division that lost earlier in the day, does it cause you to kind of mentally slip your foot off the gas? Another great. That's a great point by you. Yes. They're, they were at home yesterday for a little bit during that time going, damn, the jets are going, damn. Yeah. Or they're in the hotel room. Yeah. Watching it. Damn, the jets are going to lose. Man, we're, we're going to, we got some cushion. We got some. We're going to dominate this division. We're feeling good. I think that adds to it. I don't think there's any doubt about that. Let alone, I think Baltimore is a bad matchup for Buffalo. That's the other thing to do. Buffalo has gone the route of they want to be a big physical bully team. They're not as big and bully as Baltimore. And I kind of hit it on it to start the show. They're, they have, they are in a spot where, oh no, we're not great at covering man to man on the outside, but oh no, Baltimore is much bigger than us on the D line. And so they got, they get put in tough spots there, let alone on offense where they want to run the ball and be physical now, which they've done good the first three weeks. Baltimore is like, we're the biggest front seven in football. Bring it. You know, we can stop the run and we don't have to worry about like putting extra people in the box. So now Josh Allen with your laser right arm, the holes aren't going to be that big. And so that's where I think it's also kind of the rubber met the road there, emotions, psychology, and it's a tough matchup for the Buffalo Bills. You're not going to go 17 and no, you're going to have the nights where you take a step back and that was clearly what happened for the Bills. It doesn't mean the Bills are done. Nope. 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I said when the other hardball yeah, Jim got back into the NFL and went to the Chargers that they have given the Chiefs periodically fits without Jim Harbaugh right with Jim Harbaugh. They will give the Chiefs fits and fits they gave the Chiefs on Sunday even though the Chiefs yet again put a rabbit out of their butts. It wasn't easy and even with a lot of guys missing for the Chargers. They found a way to make it very competitive and to make the Chiefs work for for the four straight week the Chiefs had to work for it. Yeah. The Chiefs they're one of the more underwhelming four and O teams I can remember honestly. That's what I would tell you and honestly it has a feel a little bit of like Philadelphia last year where you're like, wait, they're playing good, right? But it doesn't feel like they're they're great and I'm not sure about it. I can't put my finger on it. We'll see where it goes again. I think we have to continue our theme of this is right now an incredible defensive football team. They're just incredible. I mean, got down 10-0 early because of dumb offensive mistakes really from the Kansas City Chiefs and then the defense just said, all right, that's it. No more. Justin Herbert, you're not a hundred percent. It doesn't matter. We're going to give you fits and be around you all day. Oh, yeah. You want to run the ball hard ball and Greg Roman? Yeah. Good luck against our crew. You're not running anywhere. So this Chiefs defense as again as we have seen and we got to continue to prop them up Mike. They're special. Everything because of them and only because of them. And then the offense makes a play here or there, but yeah, it's definitely an underwhelming fore and over the Chiefs. This is the second sack from Chris Jones yesterday. He has both of them amazing. And JK Dobbins who had set the NFL on fire the first two weeks held to 32 rushing yards on 14 carries. It's incredible, man. It's incredible. Like we talk about you hear me say it all the time. The Chiefs, it's all we get caught up in my homes and Kelsey and all that. Anytime somebody comes to town and goes, well, we're going to be physical and push the Chiefs around. The Chiefs go up yours. No, you're not. And they win the physical battle. Now it came at a price yesterday. We know that. And there's definitely still concerns about them on the offensive side of the ball, but they just got that magic of knowing how to stay in a game and pull through when they need to. It feels also like sometimes like the Patriots in their prime where you're just like, how are they doing this? They're so banged up. Who's this guy playing? I don't even know. But they're winning. It's incredible that way too. You get that aura that comes from Patrick Mahomes, where there's always the belief that he'll find a way with whoever he has. Yes. Isaiah Pacheco's out last week, they they got what almost 80 rushing yards out of undrafted rookie Carson. Steel cream hunts back who led the league in rushing in 2017. He had 69 yards yesterday, 4.9 per carry and he added another 16 in the passing game. But you mentioned the cost yesterday was one that and I don't want to say this. Yeah. You can say it. Don't say it. Well, no, I mean, what I'm going to say is how are they going to replace for she rice, but they will. I know. Right. They lose and all the signs are there that we're going to find out today. It was a torn ACL. Yes. It seems like the thing about the torn ACL, you don't need the MRI to have a pretty good sense that you've got a problem with the ACL because you've got, you know, the lack of stability in the, in the joint. You can feel it. It's a collision. What? With my homes. Yeah. My homes. And they know, I think they know what's going to happen today. Andy Reed said enough yesterday, they, they have referred to it. It sounds like it's good. It's unfortunate. You know, he got him right at that time. His foot went in the ground and my homes was his back was turned and his helmet hit directly on his knee. It hyper extended. And yeah, I would think that he's done to and by the reaction of everybody and what he just saw after the game and all that. Yeah. I would expect to hear that. No, no news as well. Mike. So what do they do? Yeah. That's a problem. Xavier Worthy is still a rookie. He's only four games into his career. He had three catches, 73 yards and a touchdown yesterday, Hollywood Brown, not back until January at the early and rice had been becoming the clear number one option down the outside. You've still got Travis cows. You've still got jujoo Smith, Schuster floating around. Although he's not even on the statue to even play yesterday, I didn't see him yesterday. So what do you do? What do you do? You trade for somebody? Did Jason Garrett's banging the Devontae Adams drum? I don't think Mark Davis is sending Devontae Adams to the Chiefs before the deadline, but I could see the Chiefs looking anywhere, every roster from any team that might be slipping five weeks from tomorrow. That may be where the help comes from. I think this is the year that they definitely will be a player in the wide receiver market. But the weather, the storm here, and they're going to find ways and they do run the ball now as we know, Xavier Worthy is going to have to be a little bit more of a mainstay or a consistent part of the offense instead of just a every now and then. Oh, he's there. Oh, he's fast running straight. Oh, he's fast on a reverse. They got to get him the ball more in the meat and potatoes part of the football game. You're going to see more Justin Watson, I think, as you go forward here. So he'll get he'll get more run. And then that's the Skymores and Nicole Hardman can they help out to a degree? But the good thing is hopefully they can get Xavier Worthy. Travis Kelsey got jump started yesterday, which hopefully is a positive sign for him and the Chiefs as well. And they can use those two off of each other and hopefully somehow gets one of these guys to jump as a third guy, whether that's Noah Gay or Gray, excuse me, or Justin Watson. Yeah, Kelsey led the way with targets, catches, and yards, nine for seven and 89 with a long of 38. So they're going to need some of that. And I'm sure Kelsey hears the questions about his shape, his condition, has he lost? They would be 35 soon. Those things are rumors out there that Taylor Swift didn't go to the game just because of all that stuff out there. Uh oh. That it's it's she's sick of hearing that she's the distraction and all that. So she she stayed away. I mean, really as celebrity relationships go, a year is like 30 years. So they're probably reaching the end of the road anyway. Isn't it weird how? I mean, that's just the way it is. It's a different word. I think during it to last this one, I think we will see, but it doesn't matter. I don't care. I just want everybody to be happy. No, I want the world to be happy. I hear you. So I can be miserable. Peace. But the Chiefs, it's going to be interesting to see what they do, Mike. You're right about it. It's struggling and the point you made is right, offense is struggling without the number one weapon on their offense. The guy that they made, you know, the first read and 80% of their plays in the passing game have been around for she writes. So it's going to be interesting to see where they pivot, how they kind of put this together going forward and who they can get to kind of rise up and help them out a little bit on the offensive side of the ball. There is Patrick Mahomes on the performance of his team's offense. I think it's a matter of cleaning it up. I mean, we scored 17 and we scored the 20s these last few weeks and I feel like it's just a play here and there. It's the intercepts. I thought of Travis. I put on his body that gets a drive going. It's we have a fumble on the red zone on the first drive where we got some momentum going and then in this league, if you're scoring upper 20s to lower 30s, that's good football. That's good offense. And so we're close. I mean, Coach Reed saying we keep preaching and I know some Chiefs fans are probably annoyed by it. But that's all you can do in this league is keep pushing and pushing to get better. And I think it's going to pay off in the end. Yeah, and they are for now, yeah, and they know how to win big games. They know how to win clutch games and they will presumably get better. Every team is going to get better or going to get worse. Few stay the same. Now injuries become a problem, but overall timing, reps, experience, they'll get better, they'll get better, they'll get better. And they'll get an answer there. I've asked my writers at PFT to help put together a list of potential trade targets. Amari Cooper is a guy that potentially could be available. The way things are going for the Browns, Deontay Johnson, the Panthers, MDS suggested him just now. Wow. That makes sense. Yeah. Obie Jay even. He's still on the populace, but the way things are going in Miami, he's third fiddle at best. Even if the offense is functioning at a normal level, you could go to Kansas City and depending upon what he's got left, he could be a key player in that offense if he's still got gas in the tent. It'll be interesting. I think it could be some teams that are a little unforeseen here. Christian Kirk, right? Right. Who falls apart? Does Jacksonville fall apart? They start to become a seller. Yeah. That's what I think we got to look for as teams that we go, eh, six or so, you know, five weeks from now, they're going to be in the sellers market for sure. So that extra week's big too, this year, the Browns suggested that because of 17 games and extra week because with 17 games, 18 weeks in the regular season, eight weeks and two days wasn't enough time for the, for the teams to know they were dead. Yeah. You need a little more time because you don't want to, you don't want to fold the tents to early. Boom. And that last game or two before the deadline can change everything about whether or not you can even pull it off with your fan base. Like, what the hell are you doing selling? You got to worry about it. Exactly. That's what you got to worry about is the fan base. Exactly. You sell too early and all of a sudden you're going to run late in the year and everybody's going to go, what? You're stupid. Why did you do that? So people want to be careful there and make sure they are eliminated or, or have officially have a chance to get in. But the chief soft funds continues to be a little bit of a problem and a concern. I don't care with or without Rishi Rice. I mean, it's, it is Patrick Mahomes and he is already one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time and it's not even sniffing close to 300 yards passing this year. And it's six touchdowns and five interceptions and there does need to be more out of their passing game. There's no doubt about it. I get the sense a little bit with them sometimes. They just call plays and there's no rhyme or reason to calling it. They just go, Hey, we ran the ball a few times. Let's call this one. Okay. And there's a lack of, as I always say, surgicality or appointed. This is why or what we're attacking from them at times. And I understand, you know, in a lot of ways, I think they just go, wait, we like our plays. They're cool. And this guy at quarterback will make it happen no matter what. But I do feel like there is times in every game where I go, I don't know exactly what they're trying to do or set up other than just like, Hey, you run down there and you run across there and he'll buy time and throw a cool throw and we'll all go, yeah, we look awesome. And that's what it feels like with the chief sometimes, I was going to ask you a really good question. Yeah. And I completely forgot. Oh, who's the MVP right now? Oh, oh, I, that, that's a, that is a good question because I mean, going into last night, it was certainly, I think Josh Allen for me. Now we're sitting here, ooh, you know, your man Sammy D's in the conversation. Saequan Barkley's in the conversation, Henry's in the conversation. Derek Henry's in the conversation for sure. Are we missing anybody else that, that, no, I think those are the, those are the guys right now. And Saequan's team's two and two now. Yeah. Talk about her and coming up. Yeah. Donald at four and oh, right. It's weird to just formulate the words. Yeah. They're called MVP, Derek Henry MVP. If he can keep this going, yes MVP potential, usually it's a quarterback award, but it's not my homes. No, it's not Rogers, no, Alan fell off last night that he could get back into. He definitely could. But I'm just talking about as of right now, sitting here today, if there was an MVP for the first four weeks of the season, minus the final two Monday night games with the simultaneous double header. Yeah. Baker Mayfield. Yeah. Baker Mayfield right now. DJ Stroud, I think, is he's going to be in the mix here as we continue to go. And quietly, Joe Burrow and that offense are starting to explode to see if they can win games. But we'll see where that goes. Yeah. One in three not there. Not right there. But by the time we get to the end of the season possibly. Okay. I'm going to go back to the Rishi Rice injury. Let's hear a little bit from Patrick Mahomes on the injury that he, I mean, didn't cause on purpose, but accidentally and inadvertently a turnover happens and trying to make the tackle. You have a collision. This is what you get in the chaos of football. Here's Mahomes talking about that moment. Obviously, the quarter made a good play. I was trying to fire it to travel on his body. I overthrew him a little bit, turned the ball over and then I thought Rishi really made a good play. I was trying to tackle the guy and obviously rolled up on him, but if I just don't turn the ball over and do that, that never happened. So he's got to try to get better at that. Did you tell right away it was something that was going to take him out of the game? I mean, I didn't know exactly what happened because obviously I was trying to make the tackle, but I know Rishi and how tough he is. So him being down like that, I knew it wasn't good. So all we could do is pray that the x-rays in my eyes and stuff like that are better than what it looked, but I mean, next man up until he's back. I think he may not be back for the rest of the season. Last week during this show, we had a conversation about the reality that no one was mentioning the pending legal issues involving Rishi. And I stand by everything I said last week, there were some cheese fans that were very unhappy with that because obviously don't disturb our groove. We're trying to win another Super Bowl. How dare you mention that thing we don't want you to talk about. But you know what now, and I've already heard from some people in the audience that are curious about this. It was one of the first things I, that was really gross. That was really gross. Too bad we don't have that on camera, although that camera might have always been on. I don't call it, but anyway, anyway, okay, get back to serious talk. And I know this because the conversations I had prior to the season when trying to figure out where Rice's status was entering the year, I think that Rice and his advisors would like to just get, would have liked, I want to conjugate properly now because circumstances have changed. Would have liked to have gotten through this season, have a huge year, resolve the criminal case after the season, take the suspension, but did enough in 2024 to set himself up for big contract after 2025. Now that his season might be over, and all signs point to that, and hopefully they get lucky and he's, and he's able to come back, you know, I mean, help. The Packers got lucky with Jordan loves MRI. So who knows? I'm not feeling about it. I think Andy Reid does too. Now would be the time. plead guilty, get your best deal, take your suspension, while you're injured, lose your pay, while you're injured. If the league would do that, then you're free and clear next year, you have your big year next year and then you set yourself up for your contract. That'd be the right pay. I mean, yeah, as long as I hate to be that calculating and strategic about something that's real life events, but it's real life events, how do I get out of this maze? What's the best way out of this maze? And before the injury, the best way out of the maze is let's wait to figure out the best way out of the maze until after the season. Right. Now the best way out of the maze may be get me out of it right now. I don't think you make a, I think that's a very strong point. In fact, I mean, if I was advising as long as it doesn't mean like I'm guilty and I'm going to jail or something like that. Right. You do your best deal. Right. Do your best deal. Right. But if that's the case, I think you're, you're on the right track. The challenge may be getting the prosecutors attention because I just feel like the whole thing had just been caught in this like nothing and nothing had happened and nothing had gone on. But if you're looking to take a, okay, you know, cause they don't get paid by the hour. They don't get paid by the case. They're on salary and they're flooded with activity. If you can make a few phone calls and activate a process that reduces one of their cases, then they may be willing to do it unless you got somebody who just wants to be a hard ask and prove a point. Sometimes that happens. I haven't gotten that sense here because if they did, if there was a hard ask that wanted to prove a point, they already would gone. Would have gone to Rice and said, here's your best deal and you got to take it now because they know if he took it now, he'd get put on paid leave, potentially get suspended in the short term. We're not going to let you do this thing where you get to play all year and then deal with it later. We're making you deal with it now. So that may be the way that it plays out and it would be smart if he's not back this year. If the NFL would give him credit for a suspension while he's injured, that would be the way to have this done and over by the time of 2025, season, I'll be interested to see if he takes that approach. But for the time being, man, Chief's fingers crossed for good news with Rishi Rice. And for now, they better hope their first round pick Xavier Worthy shows up. Did you see? And I think we have this. This is the farthest air throw Mahomes completed in his career. Yes. Wow. Xavier Worthy. Wow. I believe I have that right guys. We showed the Xavier Worthy TD one more time there because, I mean, he let this go for sure. It got the safety, the corner there, kind of flat foot and whatever. But look where he releases it from. He's on his own 38. Let's it go. And it gets, I think two or three yards into the end zone easily, right? But really great job by Xavier Worthy kind of changing speeds, kind of giving the okey dough coming off the line of the scrimmage and then turn that on. It's too late for Christian Fulton to make a play and catch up to him there. Yeah. That wasn't even the classic double move. That was just slowed down. Take a hard step and just take it all. Exactly right. Exactly. So we started the list. I got some more ideas from the writers at PFT. We mentioned Amari Cooper, OBJ, Deontay Johnson, Christian Kirk, Devontay Adams. I don't, as I said earlier, I don't know that Mark Davis, whatever do that. Darius Slaton. Is that somebody that giants could maybe then would maybe trade it to him or a Jalen Hyatt? It seems like Jalen Hyatt is. He just denied recently. He doesn't want to be, he said, I don't want to be traded, which when you're talking about a publicly, there's something there. There's something there. So that, that could be a possibility. Elijah Moore from the Browns would be a possibility. Okay. All right. Deontay Hopkins. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And really any of the Titans receivers, if they keep going the way they're going, I don't think the cap consequences would be, I think you keep him, I think the cap consequences would be too significant, but Tyler Boyd's on that team too. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Well, they're going to have to do their research. I don't, and again, I, I think the Bengals are going to stick with T Higgins all year long and the Bengals won and the Bengals aren't going to hand T Higgins to the Chiefs, but I, I think if you're Brett Veach, the GM of the Chiefs, you call every team that potentially is going to be in that category of done, right? And you just, you, you just like, Hey, let's have the line of communication. And if we get to the point where you may be selling, then we may be buying. Yeah. It's sooner than later. That's the problem. Right. You need to target somebody who can say, go ahead and stick a fork in us now and get somebody to help in the short term. And then maybe you can pick somebody up at the deadline. Yeah. Well, the one that jumped out to, to me that has potential and could be sexy and a guy that we know was thrown into the trade package earlier anyways is the Amari Cooper one. Yeah. And we'll hit on Cleveland in a minute. And I know that we'll dissect that, but that, that makes sense in a lot of ways. And yes, by anybody you talk to in football, he was going to be traded to the 49ers when Brandon, I, you can, the contract stuff went on and it didn't happen and it fell through for whatever reason. But either way, that's one that definitely jumped out and perked me up a little bit. When you got traded by the Raiders of the Cowboys in 2018, Jason Garrett told that story last night on the podcast thing we do during the third quarter of the game that Will McClay came to him in the 2018 season to the trade deadline talking about possibly trading for a receiver. Yeah. And I was like, you can get a Mark Cooper. Let's get a Mark Cooper. Right. So that would be a possibility for the Kansas City Chiefs if the Browns are ready to move on from him and if he's ready to move on. And you may have some guys that start agitating internally too. Sure. We won't volunteer is not awesome. You may have some guys who want to get out when they see an opportunity to go to Kansas City and play with the Chiefs and catch a lot of passes and win a Super Bowl ring. Right. Hey, there's no doubt about that. Everybody wants to jump on the Chiefs as a bandwagon if possible, especially a receiver. So we'll see how this shakes out. All right. 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