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- Yeah, oh my Lord. It is the fall, fall season autumn, if you will. So that's all the girls name autumn out there because name your child fall, don't sound right. - It don't. - You know, hey, a lot of wrestling news, that's it. A lot of wrestling content is hit. I think perhaps some of the most anticipated wrestling content of all time has hit the airwaves, the stream waves, however we determine the waves in this era and this year of 2024. And you know, you know, we about to talk about it. So, man, without further ado, it is time to talk about wrestling like nobody else in the world, which means it is time for the first black champ podcast. And yeah, in spite of it all, I am still the pick, the podcast, intercontinental champion. Camp from the port. - And I am Jair Bang. Make sure you rate, like, subscribe, download. If you get your favorite podcast, Bob's Jam Network is the home. 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So, outside of that, man, it's Mr. Man and all that. - Yeah, man. - And Dr. Henry dropped on Wednesday. And I've, from people who are not wrestling fans, people who are fair weather, casual wrestling fans, I've heard different opinions on this. I've heard different opinions on this, but then you also have the wrestling fans who have seen different documentaries, they've seen "Dark Side of the Ring" and then just stories that you hear across your years as a wrestling fan. So, before we dig into the doc, what are some of your thoughts on the doc being as, we've seen it, we've seen the "Dark Side of the Ring" stuff, we've heard all of the rumors that's been out there, it varies stories, what were your thoughts on the doc? - So, my very first thought on the doc, and this is when I got to the end of episode six, I said, "Wow, protect the business at all costs." That was my original thought, and I'm gonna stay with that thought because I think that was gonna be the entire, I guess, premise as far as the cast goes. I think the makers of the doc were definitely indeed, trying to get like their O.J. Simpson moment. I think they were trying to get their Menendez moment, their Dimer moment, I think they, I think they were trying to do their own version of "American Greed," starring Vince McMahon, Jr. I really believe that's like, 'cause the first two episodes, I'm like, "Oh, they're getting right to it." But once we got to episode three to six, I think for me, and you know, 'cause you actually have a wider database of wrestling memory than I do, it's kind of just confirmed a lot of things after episode two for me. And that was, and that was interesting. I'm gonna stop there because there's a lot more I got to say, but my first thought, protect the business at all costs. - Yeah, and we gonna get into this episode by episode, breaking down some of the stuff. It wasn't too much that I did not already know. Well, put together doc. It wasn't too much that I didn't already know. It was a couple of things that I had text you and Jonathan Hood. All right, okay, I didn't know this. This shit, not only that I did not know this part of it, but this is nasty. - Yes. - This is wild. I don't know where, I don't know how you don't get in trouble during that shit, right? So, it wasn't too much that I didn't already know, but I did think it was well put together. Let me just say that. I thought it was well put together. I thought it was some things that could have been dug in a bit more, but I'm not gonna trip because it's six episodes there, what, an hour long, okay? Oh, wait, so you gotta try that right there again to it. I'll talk about some of the things that I wish that they tackled a bit more at the end. But let's get into the first episode. So, the first episode of this man documentary entitled "The Junior." It talks about Vince's childhood a bit, a bit more. It wasn't a lot of stuff that we've heard Vince man dealt with abuse from his stepdad and stuff. They didn't get into a real, they didn't go too deep. Let me just say this. They go into him and his father's in his father's relationship, how he, I guess he went in and hugged his dad, but his dad didn't hug him back or some shit. You can tell he has issues when it comes to, I guess the, the, the, the parental side of things, which kind of reared his ugly head a little bit later in the show. I, I would say the entire doc. Well, yeah, yeah, he's saying saying doc. Yeah, especially when one of the storylines that we heard that was thrown around was confirmed, but we're getting into that, we're getting into that episode. I wish, well, we could start to say this during this choice too. I wish that they would have went a bit more into the WWF Capitol Wrestling Corporation. I wish they would have went a little bit into detail on how that was set up. For what I've read, there were, there were six people who owned the Capitol Wrestling Corporation, which was the pair company of the WWF, WWF at the time. And one of those two men was Gorilla Monsoon. Yeah. And how basically Gorilla Monsoon was kind of was supposed to be next up. But Vince was like, nah, dad, let me go ahead and boom, boom, boom. So he said, you had to go take care of the homies though. Like you can have it. I'll sell it to you, but you got to take care of the homies. And they all got lifetime contracts. Yeah. So they were lifetime employees of Titan Sports, WWF, until whenever. I wish they would have went more into that just to give a little bit more details into what, like Vince, Vince didn't just walk up to his dad. It was like, yo, let me go ahead and buy this thing. Right. He had to prove it out to his dad. I wish they would have went into a little bit more detail than to prove it out, especially with their relationship, which you will find out later in the episode. Or real quick on that because I feel the exact same way. I need an hour on that. I need an hour on that because, you know, as I come into watching wrestling, I just think that Gorilla Monsoon is just one of the greatest commentators in the world. You know what I'm saying? Him and Bobby Heenan, and it's like, man, how do you get to there? I also think it's important to tell that story because I do think that Vince selling or just putting Gorilla Monsoon in the position to run the WWF versus what happened. I think we get two very different WWFs at the time. And I think it's very important to highlight that because there is, it's like, man, I mean, we hear the stories and we know the stories, but to hear it from that angle, to hear that Gorilla Monsoon was actually next, but Vince had to buy it. Like, this was not enough to some play. This wasn't even a, I think you know the business well enough to even manage it. It was like, ah, look here, kid, you just got here. But this is my guy. Right. So as you said, there are two different worlds if Vince McMahon gives the company to Gorilla Monsoon compared to his son, that we all know about Vince's, Vince's whole thing about making the company national, going into different regions and grabbing their wrestlers and then snatching up their time slots. We know all of that. But one of the other things that was confirmed in this documentary, and I was surprised that it was confirmed in this documentary, that Hulk Hogan was not the first choice of being the face of the company. It was Dusty Rose. Yeah. That, that's major considering what we've been led to believe the last, what, 25 years now? Lower than that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's 2024. Yeah. We've been caught to believe for over 30 years now that Vince McMahon, Jr., specifically hates Dusty Rose and was literally serving him up to be ridiculed and diminished and just to be less than he ever was. And this doc, don't say that. No. This doc won't say that at all. I was, I was surprised to hear Vince say, yeah, and basically Dusty didn't believe him. This is the other part like, oh, Dusty was like, man, you, you can't defend. Like he's straight. And, but, but also that, yeah, I wasn't capping, but we needed somebody that had a better physical structure, somebody that people look at as a God, so to speak. Somebody, when you look at somebody, it's like, yo, that's who I want to be. And that person ended up being, that person ended up being Hulk Hogan, who was already a part of the WWF before, who, Vince McMahon, Sr. was like, yo, you ain't doing that Rocky shit. So again, look, because we're not even born yet. When I see Rocky 3, I'm, you know, five or six, but the movies happened years ago. Today, years old, I realized that one, Vince Jr. wasn't in control and that by the wrestling owner or community, he was, Hogan was told to not do this movie. And if he did the movie that he was out, that's why I'm going to call Cap on him in the later episode, dog, you definitely want to be a movie star. You definitely want, you got to stop that. Like, you need to stop that. The movie is trash, right? You couldn't tell, you couldn't tell me that if you appeared in a Rocky movie, then afterwards, you wasn't looking for movie startup. Like, you can't, that'd be like me asking Mr. T and Mr. T saying that. And yeah, I call Mr. T, Cap too. Like, no, bruh, nigga, the 18, like, you don't get the 18 without this movie, Jack. So what, Hulk Hogan, you don't become Hulk Hogan without this movie. You, you, you, you would thunderlift much, you, you, right. You saw, you saw Sylvester Stallone and was like, ah, it's that undo dude too. I could be one of those three, like, I have to look, I have all it. Hogan, yeah, we call, all called Cap on. I just want to be a wrestler after that movie, right? But did Bob Backlin is the champ. But that's, now this is stuff from other documentaries that, that feels it, right? So like you said, the wrestling community didn't want Hulk Hogan to do this movie. They felt like it would, you know, pull the curtain on the industry and all of that stuff. So let's like, no, Hogan, like, no, I'm doing that shit. But Hulk Hogan, he, here's what I thought as a kid. I thought Hulk Hogan was a part of the WWF when Rocky three is made. Yeah. But what I also thought was Hulk Hogan was never a bad guy. In Thunderlifts, he's technically a bad guy. Absolutely. When I, when I become more older and knowledgeable, that's when I find out about Hulk Hogan before Rocky three, we find out that he's had endless matches with Andre the Giant and slam the Andre the Giant that he was a heel managed by classy Freddy Blassy. As I get older in my teens, I start to do my research more and I'm like, oh, there was a whole Hulk Hogan life before Hulk Hogan, which that's why if you ever heard this show, we say Hulk Hogan will make you a whole totally different person and make everybody forget about everything that happened before that. But it was even funny in the documentary saying samba symbol appearance. Like we, I saw that and I was like, oh, they kind of mentioned like, yo, when that money come in, hey, we got to do, we got to do so. The Hulk Hogan that we see in the WWF is a heel. But the entrance, the entrance of Hulk Hogan back into the WWF when he resigns is Bob backlands getting his ass beat. He loses the title to I am chic. He can't get it back, but I'm a let my homie. My protege, Hulk Hogan, get a shot. And that in turn creates the whole thing between Hulk Hogan and the Iron Sheik, Hulk Hogan defeats the Iron Sheik in like six minutes. Hulk Hogan is your new heavyweight champion. And he brings Hulkaymania with him. That is the other part. Hulkaymania was already born in a WA. They just never gave him the title to solidify what could have become the premier company or the premier region in the United States, a WA. They dropped the ball altogether so badly that this you took advantage of. Now, I agree with that statement, but I want to tweak it just a little bit because that part was genius to me. You know what that whole sequence reminded me of? What's that? Shark Tank. Like, here's Terry and he has this idea called Hulkaymania. And I think this guy could be one of the biggest baddest wrestlers in the world if he's just given this budget and the story. And then here, Vince McMahon being well out the Mark Cuban of this and be like, you know what? If I can tie this to America and I can really make you American hero, like, yo, I should have you beat somebody from the Middle East. Hey, I got a guy. I know it. You know what? Hey, listen. I'll offer you X amount of dollars for 50% of this Hulkaymania idea you got here. And wow, here we are. And that to me is genius because the way wrestling just was, like literally earlier that year, wrestling ain't what they do. Like Bob Backlund is the champ. He's already got his eyes on Dusty Rose to like, I also thought of two things. Does Hulkaymania work if it's Hogan versus Backlund? Does Hulkaymania work if it's Hogan versus Dusty Rose, which is who's his original pick? And I don't know. I don't know if it works like it worked. I'll even go as far as to say this. People got to put more respect on Dusty Rose name than facts. Because without Dusty Rose, there's no Ric Flair, without Dusty Rose, there's no Hulk Hogan. That's a fact. There is no American made Hulk Hogan without Dusty Rose. And without Dusty Rose being lied, man, you, I think you bull job. And not even, not even just that. Hulk Hogan got a lot of his style from Dusty. Admittedly, Dusty Rose is your favorite wrestler. His favorite wrestler, ladies and gentlemen. And he is also, he is also taught the wrestlers that are taking over this industry today. Dusty Rose needs a lot more respect than he gets. And that's something from the first episode. I know this is a Vince McMahon doc. But the first thing that I thought about was, yo, we need to put more respect on Dusty Rose, Jack. Yeah, we got to when it has to start next. Yeah, yeah. No, for sure. No, I am, I am 1000% with you on that because even as we have, even as the rewrite of history has gone, yeah, dusty in some top five and top 10s now. But the impact, the impact of Dusty Rose now in what for Federation's five, like, nah, you we got to nobody else did that. Nobody else did that. And and we definitely got to look at him just, I mean, hey, listen, even though I was gonna give it to Vince, when when the doc was first starting, Dusty Rose might be the greatest mind in wrestling ever. Like he might, he might be number one, and it may not even be close. And that's, that's respect to Vince, that's respect to Paul Heyman. But man, some, and Dusty did it both, both ways, pause. As entertainment, as the talent, as the Booker, like he, he, he mastered both sides of this, the fact that other people wanted that sauce, even when he didn't believe he had the sauce no more apparently. Yeah, that's major. Yeah, so it's funny to say that, but episode one is like, yo, put more, put more respect on Dusty's name. And Dusty's impact, whether it's the choices that were made, the things that was not chosen, all of this stuff has had far reaching things. Before we get to the second episode, could there have been, whether it's national or not, do you believe that it was somebody else in that time frame for what we know that could have been the lead for that company? Man, it's, because it's one name that comes to mind, and it only comes to mind because of what we learned from Dar side of the ring. And even kind of in this documentary, think the only other person that you probably could have thought of and chosen is Jimmy Snooker. Yeah, which was wild. So, and really love Jimmy Snooker, man. I'm like, yeah, it was um, it's, it's, it's a wild change, turn of events, right? A wild conundrum, if you will, because when you look at Hogan versus Jimmy Snooker, it's just like, well, one definitely appeals to a wider audience, but I officially got to get more up to speed on Jimmy's super fly sticker. I have to, because right now, I'm not seeing it. I'm just not seeing it. And, and respectfully, by the way, but this is how I'm introduced to wrestling though. See, now, I'm starting to think that 1977, I'll say to 1983 is the most pivotal time in which I missed all of that in real time. And maybe for me to sit in that moment, maybe I feel differently, because what I end up growing up watching, it doesn't, it doesn't translate to, to it could be either one of them, and Vince is good. Yeah, I think we grow up on Jimmy Snooker wearing boots and just like doing that shit. Like we, we grow up when Jimmy Snooker pops up at WrestleMania Five. We don't grow up with Jimmy Snooker splashing down Morocco off the top of the cage. Right. And the Intercontinental Championship match. We don't get that Jimmy Snooker. Right. We get Jimmy Snooker that loses to the Undertaker and the Undertaker's first WrestleMania. He's not quite jobber, but he's not what inspired Mick Foley to be at wrestling. That's not the, that's not the Jimmy Snooker we see. Yeah. Even when we look at what we're older now and we, whether you watch, whether you rent the tape, or you got what I had purchased was the history of WrestleMania or Columbia House, shout out to Columbia House. I didn't even know until I got that tape that Jimmy Snooker was the, the person with Hulk Hogan and Mr. T in WrestleMania One. I'm like, whoa. Back then, Jimmy Snooker's the man. Yeah. When we grow up in wrestling, Jimmy Snooker is going up against Mr. Perfect at the Survivor Series. Yeah. That's what we see. Right. So that there's a distinct difference in that. So when I look, I'm like, damn, Jimmy Snooker was, especially at that time was like the big highlight moment. It was the, it was the big top Madison Square Garden. I think it was off of the cage, Don Morocco. Hell, learning even Don Morocco was an intercontinental champion. There was something for us, but let's move on to the second episode, which is Heat. They kicked out the episode with my man doing the stand back before him. It's a fist man doing that. That's just always funny. Every time I see we see, and they talked a little bit about Saturday night's main event and stuff. But a couple of things that were confirmed by other people already, but we saw it and they, they discussed it actually was the unionized joint. Yeah. That discussion to me as somebody who was said, 40 years, Hulk COVID has been a heel. If it was an episode to confirm to y'all that Hulk COVID has always been a heel and that ain't shit nigga. It is this episode. I felt like I felt like Bobby the brain heathen when the NWO was created. This episode, I was like, man, I've been telling people this whole time since I remember Hulk COVID ain't shit. I was the only dude in the hood that was like ultimate warrior of macho men. You don't fuck with Hogan? No. And there's some reason why I don't mess with dude, but I'm sorry. I don't fuck with him. This episode was so impactful to me. Can't guess what I did part of yesterday. Yeah. I watched. I watched Tuesday night Titans and primetime wrestling. No, excuse me, primetime wrestling. I watched primetime wrestling. You want to know when I started watching the primetime wrestling episodes? Yeah, wait. After WrestleMania 2 and I kept going and I finally got to before WrestleMania. And I can't watch it in a moment. I am barely barely two years old. But what did I do for this camp? I watched it for when the whole thing between Paul Orndall for Hulk Hogan ends and the underrated giant saga begins. I watched that episode where they showed the pipes pit with Hulk Hogan came out of nowhere. It was like, yeah, Andre, you're the greatest and dinner that I never wanted my book. And blah, blah, blah. I was like, yo, what the fuck Hulk Hogan come from? Like he really just came out of nowhere. This ain't even about you. Under the job. Look, that nigga was like, what the fuck? Then I watched the next episode where he challenged him to fight at WrestleMania. Andre, no, no. Didn't bother to brain heat it. Then if you don't believe him, believe this. I watched that from when it started to when we got it. And I said to myself, man, y'all really was shared for Hulk Hogan at this time. Like, hey, really was in shock that people were cheering Hulk Hogan after what I really, really sat down and saw. Like, the will of my soul is really trying to cape for Hulk Hogan to say, Hey, man, he just tried to congratulate a friend. Well, let's see. And this is the genius of Vince McMahon. One, I want to say this too, because now for my second thought of this back to my shark take thing. Hulk Hogan only has subjective and objective loyalty to Vince McMahon. That is it. Vince McMahon and money. That is that. I am very clear now that Hulk Hogan, Hulk Hogan may be the greatest POS human being of all time. He might, he literally might be. And that is, that is rough to say as somebody that bought that damn workout set that for a fall or door pad. Like, I had it. You know what I'm saying? I can tell you how the first cassette starts. That's how that's how much I know. But then it also, it also brought more life to Jesse, the body's color commentary. Yeah, like that Trump Hogan line is no, that's real. He's real. That's really he. He's like, Oh, that Trump Hogan. Hey, like, now the post downs make sense. Hey, yo, no, this is, this is what a Roy Freebody looks like. This is like, yo, everything Jesse, the body of Ventura had done now in the 80s. When I called it makes way more sense. That's just way more sense. That shit was not kayfabe, ladies and gentlemen. That shit was pure hate. Yeah. And, and you know what, even though we don't consider it at this time, what Vince McMahon did to position Hulk Hogan effectively as he started his run off with beating up foreigners? Well, you think about it. I mean, look, I ran. Well, you know, out to the giant is not from America. Right? Like, he's, he's from France. He was like, yeah, we're gonna beat the French up to I'm a real American. And look, that's it. And that's how 80s Americans thought, yo, F. I ran F Kuwait, that's the French, F everybody, you know, saying like, yo, bang constantly gets on me for being racist against your opinions. And he's wrong. But that is the blueprint for what built the WWF the way it is. You don't get hacksaw Jim Duggan over. If we don't already have this inkling on our mind that, yo, no, America is just running everybody. Let's be up all the foreign people. And that's the other underlying story that's happening with Hulk Hogan. So I realized a long time ago that Hulk Hogan and the WWE was peak 80s because 80s was peak patriotism. Back 80s was peak patriotism. If you can't get a motherfucker over, just turn the motherfucker to a foreigner. And you love the United States. And then you're good. Like niggas like corporal Corp Kirschner would have never made anything in life. Like he would have just been a straight jobber. If it wasn't for the fact that he put a colonel back his shit. He didn't make it like slaughtering him, but he had a career basically because he was colonel. Like if it was if Duke the Dunster Drossie had a if Duke the Dunster Drossie was an all American garbage man, he'd probably have a longer career. Actually going back a little bit to the first episode. Hey, a little flag garbage can or some shit. Going back to the first episode to the building of WrestleMania and all of that stuff. What I didn't think they mentioned is that Howard frequent was the person that came up with Hulk. I mean WrestleMania. I think that might have been missed. It has always been said that Howard frequent gave the name WrestleMania and stuff like that. But there's that. But going back to the second episode, WrestleMania two. WrestleMania two looks like it almost fucked shit up because Vince McMahon was like, Oh, let's put it everywhere. Let's put it in New York, LA and Chicago. But but they they they skirt past that one. Hey, WrestleMania two. WrestleMania two is like that. If I if I were to put now mind you, to me, WrestleMania two is the worst WrestleMania. So my analogy might not be the best, but I'll explain in rap terms because the album don't get talked about like it should. Value one hard not me value one in my lifetime. Jay Z's in my lifetime value one is the WrestleMania two of sophomore albums. Except it should get talked about more because you did out some good moments, but it's he don't know. You got that you got that that NFL versus wrestlers bout a role fridge and they're ball friendly. It's a me don't know. Yeah, but it did give you, you know, some the gay, you righty, righty, Piper versus Mr. T in the boxing match. Yeah, we got body slam and the thing is, and you know, and just like volume one, how what my argument has already been. Yeah, but if you take off what girls like and change the beat on you belong to the city, like we talking about this differently. And I think if Visic Man just picks one city to do it in, like if he just picked Chicago, why? Because the fridge won there. Like that. That's why I think I think WrestleMania two should just been in Chicago. And and I've not picked Chicago versus New York and LA because they put the fridge over in that battle royal. So it's like, yeah, you start tonight with that and the night with Hulk Hogan beating King Kong Monday, I think that I think it's a win. But it's just like, yo, you're trying to do too much. Like, like you got it. We got it. We got it. You don't give a fuck about the territories. Right. We get it. We get it. You're you got all the top stars. But let's let's bring this back home. Let's reel this in and just do this. And so, well, and I like how they explain the closed circuit versus the pay per view. Like that made total sense to me. And it looked like it looked like what Visic Man was trying to do was pay per view without pay per view. And that's why. And that's why it was that. But it was interesting to say the least high. They really talked about like, yeah, that wasn't really the greatest idea. And it's like, let's let's talk about that. I want more detail. Give me five. Give me 10 more minutes on this. Yeah, I really want to get more detail about how that shit ended up being trash. But they did the they did the afterwards. They did the whole angle where Andre the Giant was suspended. Andre the Jack was going to film the princess bride. He came back as like super machine. They put the mask over him for a little bit. He also had like back surgery and stuff too, because they wanted they wanted WrestleMania III to be the big one. That's Hogan versus Andre. They did the whole thing about the tickets, about how that they say it was 93,000, but it wasn't. It was like, it was 78. I don't give a damn. There was a lot of people in the month. I've been safe. And then they mentioned I think Nelson had mentioned some shit where it wasn't really wasn't no no torch passing moment of some shit, because Hulk Hogan was already bigger. So goddamn what? Like we here for the story, bro. Right. We're here for the story. And then plus the way we got shamed for saying that the Greg that have a valentine we knew the way we got saying for that the Andre the Giant Y'all niggas knew was jumping off the top rope. So what this the whole is the story fam that they didn't even have to mention that. But the match happened. They talk the whole thing about it. Hogan didn't know if Andre was going to let him pull him over. He was like, but Vince McMahon confirmed the story. So there's that because you got to confirm some shit around Hogan. Yeah, I'm gonna say that this is the only true thing he said. Like in the doc, like in the doc, I think it only confirmed that Hogan told the truth maybe like three times in his entire life. He may have told the truth maybe three times. And that's one of them. If this documentary told me anything about Hogan, you need two to three more people to confirm his story. That motherfucker is a liar. All right. He's a liar. All coven is a liar in the half. I don't know how y'all really fuck with this dude. I don't know why y'all going to get his real American beer. This nigga's a liar. I learned anything. Also, I learned that some of the family was like, Hey, we don't like this Hogan getting all the credit shit. That's another thing that we learned. But I understand that. They talked about no host bar. They played the Dookie video part. I was laughing at that. Out of all of the clips, y'all could have chose. Y'all chose what's that I smell? Right. Dookie. Not the part was just nothing else. Not the fight scene and nothing. That I was like, y'all doing too much direct is like, y'all could have picked another scene. Y'all just want to make my fuckers look dumb. But they did start to talk about how Hulk Hogan's how Hulk Hogan's popularity start the wane a bit. And Hulk Hogan did the same thing for Ultimate Warrior like he did for Andre the Giant and all of that. But here's my aisle for it. Here's my best part of the documentary. Okay. Before we get into the steroids piece, it was here at Bob Costas curse. What? When I heard Bob Costas say fuck, I say, yo, whoa, I ain't never heard this before. This is awesome. We get in the real. That was my that was the only pop. If we want to put it in rest of the terms, that was the only pop I marked out moment hearing Bob Costas say fuck and Bob Costas voice. This is like, yo, we're used to hearing Bob Costas with the montages before NBA or NBC and being the voice, the intellectual voice of our sports fandom. But him basically saying, and they was doing too much with that WrestleMania seven Hulk Hogan songs to slaughter shit. I thought I was gonna get killed and hear him say fuck was what I marked out. Not even go for it. No Bob Costas the G. Bob Costas is a G. I like it. So I I'm with the but they start going into the steroids thing and they made the steroids thing seem longer than it actually felt to me. And I'll get to that a little bit, but they start talking about Dr. George Shahoran. Vince said, Hey, I caught some shit off of my cops on work, but it wasn't illegal to be getting that shit, but it was illegal to to sell them. And he was selling it. I I like being swole. I want to be around small niggas. Basically, like that's what it felt like. This man was saying it felt that that felt nasty. Basically that felt that felt nasty. Where if you just think about it in all terms, this was like, Oh, in order for this product, product to be what it is, man, we need small dudes. And I enjoy being swole. I want to do this body build the shit because I think it's we should be sweet seeing swole niggas. But it just didn't work because all they was doing was taking steroids. And I wasn't trying to do that shit, especially, you know, with what I got going on in my life. But the MVP of the documentary, the the Dave Chappelle hater of the year of of of the 20th century century. I know it's even a word. Yeah, the life tell you get this nigga. I hate her lifetime achievement award. Phil Mushnick of the New York Post, man, that that was something that I learned in this documentary that that nigga hated visit man and wrestling and was willing to do whatever to take it down. Yeah, Phil Mushnick, the third thought that I have for this doc. Phil Mushnick is literally showing you that haters will never prosper. They'll never prosper. And I want to explain it in the terms of this documentary. If Phil Mushnick would have went after the correct targets, he would have been got Vince McMahon out of here because it would well potentially, he could have hit a better chance of getting them out of here because he would have forced Vince to make some decisions that would have went either for or against his own organization. Like the steroid, like because we don't have a steroid piece. Phil Mushnick doesn't want to go after the doctor. He's going after Vince McMahon. And Vince McMahon is like, well, hey, I'll come clean. Yeah, I use steroids. But he was like, but I don't care. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, when he come clean, say, yeah, I do use. Yeah, I come from dude. Yeah. So what? Like, you already got to get off Vince on that note. But no, he wanted to build this smear campaign that says, yo, well, I hate Vince McMahon. So I'm just going to try to take down the whole WWF versus the aspect of what we see a lot now today is that a dude associated with your organization. He he a part of your company. And well, you know, he do X, Y, and Z. So what you're going to do about it? You about the fire do you about to cut his pain with what you about to make him do? And then people got stepped down. People got to resign. Like he should have put the doctor on blast and then made Vince decide if he was going to fire dude or find a new doctor and he didn't do that. He keep trying to pin every single body on events. Like his whole entire life ends up being dedicated to finding all the stuff that Vince McMahon had did. And this is why I disagree with Bruce Prichard because he was like, yo, this is like a, you know, a slander campaign. Y'all trying to bury Vince McMahon. I don't believe that happened at all. I believe that if you have a coherent, common sense deemed mind, you could be like, okay, he wasn't loved or hated by everybody. But a lot of his early issues were the people around him. But y'all wanted to blame the dude with the most money. And that is y'all problem. Yeah, if that if Phil Mushnick would have got the surrounding people, somebody would have flipped. Somebody would have flipped. Now he did, in some cases, help out and talking about some of those people around him. The ring boy scandal was the other joint that I was like, okay, now I did not know about this. I knew about the whole thing with with the barrio and the whole thing about that. That was on down to you, which is the whole sexual misconduct thing. I knew about the the accused raping of the female referee. I was today years old when I learned about the ring boy scandal. And and how there was a ring announcer who would scoop a black ring announced that that was the most heartbreaking moment in this doc for me. Because one is a black dude, a black dude I had never heard of. So he literally has been kind of scrubbed out of the history as far as the WWE is concerned. And and this is where we come to my third and my fourth thought. Because now I officially love that Tony Atlas is in this doc. At first, I ain't gonna front. Because he did show up like Fred Flintstone at the water buffalo lounge with the um, you know what I'm saying with the joint without the hat on, right? But Tony Atlas, I do I do feel I do feel that Tony Atlas is the most objective black voice that we have as far as Vince McMahon. I'm not saying that everything I didn't agree with everything he said. Could you grab my meat? And you're a dude. You may when you may not be able to see for the rest of your life. Yeah. Right. So so but I guess that's how bad he wanted to be a wrestler. I don't Hey, listen, I feel about that the way I feel about what Tony Terry Cruz said. And I'm just I'm on my side of defense. That's it. And look, I will go get a regular job. Everybody knows the problem. I will go get a regular job, bro. Don't touch my meat. Don't touch my body. If you're a man, how about that? Just don't put your hands on my body. Right. Ain't no and he grabbed my packer. Hey, man. Keep a job. And you know, even homie was like, what? I was like, and the thing is this Tony Atlas is like, like as big as you are, you let that happen. That's that's what the what was the what was and you you told me that but you told the Atlas at the time, though, you not saw for some, but you told the Atlas what you mean. He did that to you. So that's still so that so that was nuts. Right. But again, Phil Mushnick, the Tony Atlas thoughts three and four. The whole ring boy scandal that was that was terrible. That was crazy. And now, I think this is the first blurred line in the WWF Vince McMahon type of situation because what was interesting about this part about the ring boy scandal is that yo, everybody eventually you could say spares saves and then puts over Pat Patterson. What I took from it and I'll let you take over from here after this is like a yo, this ring boy scandal is crazy, but this ain't Pat Pat at homosexual. We not pedophile. We stopped that. It was like maybe they all like boys, but he don't like the young boys. He's not doing this. He's obviously doing some other things that don't fall in line with wrestling male testosterone culture, but he ain't that. And I think that's important because who knows maybe the original connection that Pat had with Garvin and the other dude was like, oh, oh, so we all game. Oh, bet. But then little ring boy come through and they're like, yo, I got someone dead. He was like, whoa, hold on. Hold on. I have my eye on Daimaraco. I don't know what you know, I have my eye on Tony Atlas. I don't know what you doing. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, no, like, how do you have you seen Tony? Like it's negative. And he was like, so I know that. And I think that is important to to to specify because although I'm not a member of the community, I'm I'm deal, I had to deal with a work situation in this regard to where sometimes people perception of you on your lifestyle can cause under once it problems. So, you know, I did think it was respectable that they was like, yeah, Pat Patterson was gay. He was a homosexual male, but he wasn't on that though. Yeah, I they spent enough time on it where I said this ain't a this mad documentary at this point right now. They talk this this more of a this is more of a Pat Patterson doc right now. Yes, because I was like, okay, we're spending a lot of time on this. But I did get this like everybody was like, yo, you could talk all that shit y'all want. But Pat Patterson is one of the good ones. Yeah, that's also how it kind of they they they wanted to they wanted to make sure that that was known like he wanted a good ones, man. Yeah. That's it. We know that. Yeah. And that's that's number two. We're filled messed up. Hey, yo, you want so bad to tie this McMahon to this ring boy scandal when really you should have went after Garvin and the black dude and the other dudes and be like, yo, you know, you got pedophiles working for you, right? What you gonna do about that? Not saying, Oh, he's got a I mean, this is what they would call it today. He's got a sex trafficking ring with little boys. Like you can't do that. You gotta be crystal clear because even Facebook man, he even speaks to it later. He's like, yo, when you when they when they say you this and you this and you and like, no matter what you can prove after that, he's right. So that I feel again, that's hating will never get you nowhere and feel much Nick number two. That's why. Yeah. So, but that was that was something that the ring boy side of it was was something that got me. Um, they they they talked about reader, I think Chatterton was a referee who was accused of rape and the rare hearing and all of this is when they did the investigation into the the money of the WWE. They did that investigation and there was a woman who received a motel million dollar settlement from the WWE being accused of rape, put two and two together. Um, she says he ain't doing that wrong, but he gave her a couple of million to make this go away, which which it definitely turns out that Mr. Man will pay the freight to move some shit out the way because they did mention the Jimmy Superfly Snooker moment. That was mentioned on the side of the ring. Yes, I'm sorry. I just want to rewind just real quick. It's 15 seconds get back. I do believe that Vince McMahon that that was his first. I'm stepping out on Linda move. And the girl was like, Hey, I don't I'm sorry. We can't victim blame, but you know where I'm going with that. I do just, I do believe that two things could virtually be true at the same time, but I but the fact that he highlighted and his own way. Yeah, yeah, no, I was definitely hitting chicks while being married. And it was and it was wrong, but I did not stop doing it. And I think I think there should be a doc on more of extortion attempts on Vince McMahon than maybe trying to prove that he's the R wordest. So I definitely believe that, especially in the 80s, there's more opportunities to extort people to get stuff out of them than things may have happened. I don't know if it's this, but 80, I think if you I think if you looked at the 80s, I think you saw an uptick in lawsuits for certain shit. That's why we'll say which that's why I believe just kind of putting in a moment that I thought in this doc, if more people just flat out went after him and got him arrested for the shit that they said he did, instead of suing him or doing what Phil much Nick was doing, that's probably not even the WWF right now. Like literally the federal government, even if you look at that case, ain't really have shit, but they was like, we all fuck would do. And that's one of the few times the federal government gets it's wrong. Normally the federal government, when they get you, you gone, like they just need you to confirm, but we got 90% of the shit. Even with the Hulk Hogan shit, as we have find out, they gave Hulk Hogan full immunity and Hulk ugly was like, no, none of that shit y'all talking about was happening. Yeah, which again, don't trust Hulk in Nick's life. You probably hear that was right though, but they talk, they start talking about the federal government, how he feels like he that they're bullies. So it lets me know that Vince McMahon is squarely back. Like, Vince McMahon is squarely back off the, the, the whole thing of, man, they try to fuck me over. They did too much. And that's the shit that Trump has been talking about. So I ain't no understand why, why Vince McMahon is Magga. I understand why Vince McMahon is Magga. I understand why Vince and Trump are friends. Like, everything, yo, everything in this doc was like, but he, I, but here's the thing, y'all hate him and you moving off hate, you not moving off facts, you moving off emotion. And that, and that's how he weaseling out of everything. Hey, listen, I'm not here to say that this man is a great or perfect guy. I don't know him. But what we singing now, because we were episode four, right? As we talking? Yeah. As we're on episode four, what we are seeing is no, no, no, no. We still on episode two going into three. Okay. So we, so we, so we, we in the first three episodes and what we are witnessing right now, as this doc is happening, is that hey, here's a dude who met his father as a teenager, bought his business from him, took it to another place that nobody saw it going and you just don't like it and or him. But you're trying to put him in his name and too much stuff that ain't got nothing to do with him. So he looked like he tough line when really you just got to just leave dude alone and maybe let himself destruct on his own. But let's say directly not involved. Yes. Directly. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And that's what I kind of got. This is not caving for this man, ladies and gentlemen. This is faulting the people who are going after him. Right. Right. If I'm looking at the first three episodes of this documentary, the WWF should never have made it. Yeah. Facts. But everybody, even from a wrestling standpoint, they hated him enough that they tried to ignore him. And then he couldn't be ignored because he had the money. Then the federal government just was like, yo, he's a dumb wrestling guy. We can get him. And it turns out that he was smarter than that shit. Yes. If I learned anything from the first three episodes, he should not. We shouldn't even be taught. This should, this should not even be a podcast dedicated to wrestling. Yeah. If they do it right, this McMahon ain't been shit for years. Y'all just been, y'all just going about it the wrong way. And it took y'all a minute to actually do it right. We get to that. Let's go to the screw job episode. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. Cause I even with the sticker shit, like, if it is true that he went into the park, like if the dark side of the ring, shit is true, that is proof positive that this nigga ain't shit. And y'all doing the wrong way. Y'all going after this man the wrong way. But he know what he doing is right. If the way that they presented all dark side of the ring and the ring that was presented here was two different things. They said my man came up into the police station with suitcase. They didn't. But Dave Meltzer said the same shit. That shit just magically disappeared. It's him when the rest of his ass before he died. So that's what I'm saying. Like Tony Atlas said something. I think it was this episode that he is 110% right. Yo, if y'all really knew what went on in wrestling, y'all think of us as the underbelly of the world. If you know who probably knew that after doing his research and just didn't go about it the right way, feel mushy. Yeah. Feel mushy. It was like, Oh, no, fuck all these wrestling motherfuckers. Right. They nasty, they want organizers. They take steroids. They do this. They do that. He just didn't go about it the right way. He went about it in a generalist way with the head jobs. But when you have what you have where Hogan being on Sports Illustrated, the WWE, the WWF, excuse me, being at the top of the food chain right now when it comes to entertainment, they took over the 80s. You're not going, it's going to take more than some some editorials. Yeah. To take them down. All right. That is. So now let's go to the screw job episode. They start with the Randy the Wendy Richter shit. Yeah. I when they started off with that, I knew where we were headed. And this is when I was like, okay, here's the WWE or Fi love in them. Yeah. So let me first say this about the Wendy Richter shit. If everything they said about this shit was true, Wendy Richter got to sit there as them. Dropping the title today. Ain't no, no, no, dropping the title today. So on that one, Vince was well within his right to get his belt off of her. Yeah. This is this ain't a real sports thing. This is entertainment by nigga. Yeah, baby girl, you're not you're not Cindy Lauper. What'd you tell? What you mean? Right. Cindy Lauper. Cindy Lauper. Right. You just wittered. So when I said, when I saw that, I was like, okay, here we go. But here's when I realized that this steroid trial was a little bit longer than I thought, or at least it felt like it due to this that they start combining the steroid shit with WCW Hulk Hogan. And I was like, wait a minute. She went on this long? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's um, it's um, it's interesting because and I'll tell you only why I remember it because I remember Hulk Hogan debuting on WCW and he just looked smaller. Yeah. That's what that's what we start being built is 275. But I didn't put it together that the steroid trial was in 1994. Hulk Hogan debuts in the summer of 1994. So yeah, Hulk Hogan, that was nasty work. Absolutely. You go and like, hey, look, I see. And look, and this is another reason why Vince gets bail. Why does he get off scot-free? Because Hulk Hogan goes to Arsenio Hall. He lies. He lies even after Vince was like, yo, just come clean. I'm like, yo, it's cool. Come clean. He's like, no, I've never taken steroids. Other brother like, I was like, oh, what are you doing? And then like, he'd leave in the aspects of get the heat off of everything going on. And then he goes sign another contract because you shouldn't whack TV shows and movies. I didn't realize the steroid trial ended in July of 1994. Hulk Hogan signed in June. So I was like, oh, I did not realize the connection. I was like, oh, okay. So that's screw job number two. Yeah. There's there's the, there's the, the, the, the, the reap what you saw a moment that people I think was expecting to happen to Vince McMahon. You have the walls closing in on you. Your main attraction leaves and he goes to the competition and you are here fighting for you and your company's life. And when you're acquitted, I think feel much nigga, others was like, oh shit, which also let us know that after the steroid trial, this is probably the first time when Vince McMahon is like, you're on Teflon, bitch. Yeah. He's, he's, he's DJ drama and Irv Gotti after dealing with fan cases. Like, no, not him niggas. Now the, now he didn't have the failure of, of things that happened like Irv had afterwards. Maybe he's feeling more like DJ drama, but they started talking about the steroid trial. They, they, they talk about Hulk Hogan, Hulk Hogan testifying and all of that shit. They go up on that deal, but then they start talking about, um, they start talking about the MCW. And hearing the USA executives say one, hey, if he would have found guilty, that shit would have been off TV. But also it was USA that went to the, to the WWE and was like, I mean, cut that natural man shit out. Yeah. But Ted Turner was like, Oh, I think this is funny. Like that shit was hilarious to me. And it's hilarious to me because that kind of explained the success of both. Because I thought all that billion there, Ted, not your man's, I thought all that was trash. I thought it was super stupid. And I was like, yo, why do they keep doing this? This sucks. So, but Ted Turner's laughing his ass off at it. But yeah, the U.S. thing was like, yo, no, this week, you gotta, you gotta get rid of this. Unless we know, unless we know that rich niggas laugh at other rich niggas when you're rich in the facts. That let's like, if anything, that whole thing to me made me realize that, that that Ted Turner was like, Oh, look at this broke ass nigga trying to get it. That's funny, the whole ass being that fair. That's just hilarious. Maybe we should buy this shit and we should put it all on Saturday morning on TNT. Hey, to do a call back quick to volume one. Ted Turner did the y'all rapping ass niggas, y'all funny to me selling millions, but being you, but still you want to be me. I'm like, yo, I'm like, yo, like, he'd laugh at me because he was like, no, I got a billion dollars. That's what he was in this money on. That's what he's willing to know. Yeah. I, yo, man, call Tom Zink. Tell him I got some extra. We worried about this shit. Um, then they start going in a bit of detail into the curtain call, which something that I did not know, and maybe I missed it, that, that this man approved the curtain call. He was like, I'm going through that shit. Yeah. And then when it happened, it was like, oh, that's the shit that I agreed to. So hearing Triple H again said that he had to eat shit and like it was hilarious when you look at what ended up happening in the end with WCW being bought by like Triple H, you may have lost, but one in the end. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah. So yeah. And, and, and here's some Michael's saying, I thought that K-Fame, she was over. She tells you how high Michael's was. Right. So Michael's eyes for him. What, what is interesting here? It's, see, everything is perspective with Vince McMahon on this, um, on this screw job episode because I'm sure and Vince's mind, he may, oh, you want to do something after the show? Okay. Yeah, bet. Y'all go, no, kick it, have a beer, whatever. I don't care. Like, I don't, I even know, I know he said, like, after the match, I think Vince always thought, oh, the light's going to hit. People going to be leaving the arena and we just going, we, we go, it ain't, we can go to Waffle House together or we could be seen outside, maybe signing autographs or whatever, maybe, like later. I don't think he okayed for the match to end and then them to come right out and start kicking it and showing love. I don't, I don't, I don't think he agreed to that. And they were like, yeah, no, this is what we're going to do. And it was like, K-Fame is over. One, so I'm like, this is obviously high. But two, that's how much the click ran the WWF. Yeah. To the point where he was like, oh, no, everybody know we kick it. A new slash buddy, the 13 year old here in Free Master Square God ever happened. None of that. I didn't know anything about contracts, anything. So no, Sean, you're wrong. Yeah, it shows how he's high, how much, how he was getting. Then they started getting into the much of our school job. The part of the stories that we already know, that pretty much everybody did has some type of knowledge of what was going to happen. And then, and then they, they, they, they get into the, that it lends to Mr. McMahon character. If you're a wrestler fan, you know this already. But it, it feels like the doc took a dark turn, boy, after episode three. And now it feels like, okay, he got into his bag when he became Mr. McMahon, and we made Mr. McMahon. And when he became Mr. McMahon, he went from Vince, the guy that did everything he could for the business to the guy that's now ready to kill everybody moving when it comes to his business. And that's when we get to episode four. Now, this is part of the story of Vince McMahon. I did not know. And I know that a lot of people, even when we put our social clips, people be trying to jump down on us, not thinking that we know our knowledge was, ladies and gentlemen, we are knowledgeable people. I know about Dr. Jerry Graham, Dr. Jerry Graham, and the Florida territories was major, major, and his father, his son, has been in this business for years, made for years. And, and again, like people, before our time that have been very impactful in this business, Dr. Jerry Graham is one of the biggest, one of the greatest heels of all time. And this man said that he was a heel in one of the main reasons why he liked him, because he never liked the good guys. What I did not know is that Vince and Dr. Jerry Graham were cool. They had a relationship. He got looked at them as a mentor. He died his hair because of Jerry Graham. And he drove him around and shit. And, and, and if you know anything about the story of Dr. Jerry Graham, just go look at it at Doc side of the ring. Yeah, he was a very flamboyant character who had a lot of vices. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of vices. So when they started the episode with that, I said, I see where we going now. Yeah, we're going to hell. Like this is what we are headed to. And we're going to get a detailed explanation. Yes, we are about to get a detailed look, because it's not even the fact that they ran the disclaimer at the beginning. It was, yo, Dr. Jerry Graham. And I was like, oh, if you just looked at the dark side of the ring, you like, Oh, okay. Yeah. That's your man's? Oh, now we're somewhere. We about to go in. And, and, and then like you have, you have Eddie Graham, who also had his issues and everything that that whole Graham family. I think like Mike Graham, who even though he had his vices, was like the good one out of the grams and all of that stuff. But they start getting into that. I said, yeah, we about to take a turn. They start talking about that, the much our screw job, how we turn into a bigger business, because it, it birthed to Mr. American character. And how the fight of they get into the Monday night wars. We know this. They get into the birth of the Monday night wars, or the, or at least the attitude era. And finding out that the attitude era pretty much started off because Shawn Michael put some goals in his shit was basically like, okay, y'all could have kept that story. I really wanted the attitude era to be to start off in a whole different way. But Shawn Michael's got fined. And then this man was like, yeah, we need some attitude. I'm gonna stick with my Brian Pillman actually started the attitude era with the Booker man moment. I'm sticking with that. Y'all can, y'all can stick with what they said. But I'm sticking to the Booker man moment on WCW between Kevin Sullivan, Rest in Peace, and Brian Pillman, Rest in Peace. And I'm starting getting there. But you know something that was confirmed to be kept from the point. And that's why this will always and forever be a part of the show. That, yeah, we ain't really going down to the 12 year old. We're going down to what demo? 18 to 34. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, I've been telling y'all this as somebody who works in media that anytime that y'all get mad when y'all don't see certain people, don't blame the Booker man, blame white men. Ages 18 to 34. If they don't want to see it, they ain't putting you out there. Now, that made me feel good. But they start going into the shit we already knew. They start talking about stone cold. They show some of the ECW stuff. They talked about Triple H being punished for the curtain call and how Steve Austin was the beneficiary with that. The king in the ring tournament, Austin 3 16. How all of that basically was like, oh, this shit's lit. You know, Mike Tyson, once everybody saw Mike Tyson on WWE program, and it's like fuck this shit over with. So man, real quick, I'm sorry. Real quick. Two things. One, salute the stone coast. Steve Austin for the for the greatest audible of the 90s. One, that's the greatest audible of the 90s. Like what a play you read for yourself. And two, I officially learned how different Black people and white people saw Mike Tyson in the 90s. Explain, because I love Mike Tyson, right? I got two pictures of Mike Tyson to draw Casey right down on my wall. When he got out of the jail, obviously, because I mean, this is what Black culture do, we celebrate because we thought he was never guilty or whatever would have you. But even after, you know, the the biting of Holy Fields ear and all the antics in Mike Tyson's obviously on drugs. He's out of control. There's rumors that he's broke. He has nothing that can cause all took all of his money. In the Black community, I would say Mike Tyson is more of a martyr slash product of his environment or product of just getting too much too soon to be a young person versus white America, especially white America wrestling core demo, who thinks that he is the ultimate loose cannon, that he can't be trusted, that he is a detriment and a danger to everything around him and how we just didn't see it that way. It was just more like, well, what would you do if Don King took all your money? How would you behave if this big head boxer had much you? Well, we're like, we're like, man, that's Mike Tyson and Indianapolis. You think bitches ain't fucking like, we've totally caked for Mike Tyson in the last decade, where they're like, Oh, Mike Tyson, is this the right thing to do? Well, I'll go even further. What this document, like this documentary opened up my eyes to certain things that I didn't think it was going to, because it has nothing to do with men. The one thing that I got in this documentary is that Mike Tyson bursts the UFC the way that we know it right now. Because of white men ages 18 to 34, who watched the WWE. Now, I remember when they said that Mike Tyson is coming to the WWE, he was suspended. So the first thing that we thought not just don't think black people, but white people was like, yo, so he gonna wrestle somebody? Right, right. Mike Tyson, about the rest of somebody. And when we saw him is so cold in the wreck, we was like, yo, it's gonna be Austin versus Mike Tyson at WrestleMania. That was our thought. We also, I also remember hearing like, no, he can't really do that because he suspended over the, he ran the Holy Field shit, yada, yada, yada, all of that stuff. So he had to be a referee. But when you look at the reactions to those white people in that audience, everybody in that office, that audience, you look at the reaction when they saw Mike Tyson come out, the, the, the tight try and come out there with the suit, with the butterfly collar, the pinstripe suit and everything. Go look at it. Go look at a UFC event. It was the same old reaction. It is the same reaction. White men ages 18 to 34 at that time loved Mike Tyson, because Mike Tyson was the ultimate badass. So you look at the UFC, they love those UFC fighters because they're ultimate badasses. Before Dana White then got a, got a home to it. They loved it because this was just the art of fighting and all of that shit, different disciplines and stuff. No, Dana White then saw Mike Tyson in that ring and they said, no, this is what we need from our fighters. Yeah. I don't think there's a UFC the way that we know it. If it's not for Mike Tyson in the WWF, that WrestleMania, because that to me, when you look at the fan base, that's the same, same fan base that we see now. Kind of a Gregor by product. John Paul Jones by product. All of those, all of those type of people. Yeah. Yeah. Like you Chuck Liddell, your, your rampage Jackson. Yeah. Yo. Hey, see, I love that. See, thank you for that because I love that from Mike Tyson. I love that based on just some of the, the rumblings at in real time for them. As you're talking about that, it's like, yeah, like, um, that's just the power of having somebody like Mike Tyson around and you just got good people around him or just people that are just willing to take care of the money. That's awesome. I like that. I'm going to run with that. Thank you. Yeah. So that is, that is, that is it to me when I looked at that, right? So going into it, that was pretty much the change for what they get a lot of people to. At that point, the WWF became cooler to watch again, because as we had said on a prior episode, when we looked back in WA WCW, like that NWA time, right before it became just fully WCW, and you saw the four horsemen just whipping everybody as you see, sitting, get his leg or his knee fucked up every other week and all of that shit. When you see all of the blood and stuff, when you see every wrestler come up in there with a tank top and some cowboy boots with some Star Wars jeans, you do a fight was going to happen. This is when the WWF started to become a real authentic to a lot of people. And then when you add Star Cold, win-of-the-type championship, and the Austin McMahon thing happening, for older people, for our dads and our moms who might have watched it, hey, Austin McMahon was simply, I want to fuck up my boss and Austin is doing it. So this is great. This is awesome. But you start seeing these storylines, they start talking about this shit, and they they go into also the birth of the rock a little bit. They talked about the family history and stuff. And here's where when I watched this, I said camp from the port is going to be like, I told y'all this. When people are with people of color refer to themselves as people of color, you ain't black. It's some people's estimation. Because if you black, you just go say you black. I'm going to last a long zone. And if all the people are going to bring up the shit that last a long zone said, last a long zone after he's on the boys. He talked about how, yeah, I'm a personal color, but I'm black at the end of the day. I'm Cuban. I'm a black Cuban. I didn't hear. And maybe I missed it. Maybe I was eating some shit and I totally missed it. But I didn't hear the rock say first black champion. No, I heard first person of color. Yeah, yeah, technically, he's not the first person of color to win it because that would be your gazona. Right, your own family had already did this as a person of color because he wouldn't Japanese. But even if he was Japanese is still a different color than the white male. So I had to look this up. Just the case, I wasn't tripping. The rock recalled and forming this man that he was going to make him WWE champion. The rock said that he would be the first champion of color. This said, I know, but I'll see that. And here's where I will agree with that statement. I don't think this McMahon saw color when it comes to champions. He saw color when it came to wrestlers though. Yeah, for sure. But if that person drew or was going to be popular enough, I'm going to make that person champion. There's no Yoko Zuna if that is the case. But Yoko Zuna was not Japanese. Right, and even still the way people be trying to group people with the shit, he would still be a person of color. Yeah, still what the way the way people be grouping that shit. But when that was acknowledged and it wasn't black, I said, man kept from the point is going to be like, I told you the man I don't identify is is black until there's a need for him to come out as that. He didn't even acknowledge himself as black when he was rapping with watch left. What is we got? This is all what I'll be hearing in my head as that point is coming across the floor shows. Hey, listen, one, thank you for pointing that out. I was open. We had a dead stop here because man, they got 2022 rock. What was that? 2021. So the one that's already he's got all the success, all the accolades. That is superstar. Dwayne Johnson talking to you in this documentary. And he said, Vince, I'm going to be the first champion of color. Dramatic pause. And he said, and then Vince spoke. That's what he said. He didn't say I'm going to be the first black champion. I'm going to be the first biracial champion of black and Samoan descent. He didn't say none of that. He said, I am a person of color. I am a champion of color. The rock does not believe he is a black person. And we just going to have to accept that because that is the deal. And I'll say this to the other point, because I do look at wrestling and the black people in it a lot differently now in 2024 than I did in the early 2000s. And even before Kofi won the title or an after it and then letting the 90s and all that. Because I think Tony Atlas said something very important. He doesn't believe that Vince McMahon is a racist. And I got to admit, I'm kind of leaning towards that side heavier than ever. Because as we look at the type of humans that were wrestling, when Vince first got into business, versus what they have evolved to, like half of these white guys weren't even marketable enough. So you know that the black wrestler had to be even less marketable. To me, this was also a good chance to maybe somebody get a TikTok or something from Butch Reed or somebody else. Because it has to be documented that the black people that drew got looked out for even on young rock. Rocky Johnson is literally seen as a draw. He is a big draw through the 70s. Him and Tony Atlas. So would now wear there so many of us? I mean, again, even when Black OG is talking about wrestling back in the day, they only highlighting four or five of us. It's Ernie Lad. It's a Bobo Brazil, depending on who knows what. It's Butch Reed, Tony Atlas, and the junkyard dog. You know what I'm saying? And that was it. So fast forward to the damn rock. No, superstar Duane Johnson. That's how I'm going to refer to him now. superstar Duane Johnson from the door. And I love how they built his story up as the right, because he even in the nation, he even emphasized on this promo, how it ain't a black thing. Bro, you really don't want to be one of us, huh? Like you just really don't. Like, that's why we don't listen to your technite record. That's why. That's why we don't listen to that. I was saying something that was very wild, and there was going to be somebody Black that says to me, no, you're lying. You're wrong. And I was going to say. Hey, listen, man, I, um, out of respect out of tech nine, because it's not disrespectful for him. Yeah, no, I got the feeling I know where you're going. And it's cool. It's cool. We'll talk about air. But yeah, man. Hey, listen. So again, at his wish, at his wish, y'all moving forward, because if you saw the doc, you heard what we heard. I will no longer consider the rock a Black wrestler. He is not a Black champion to me, because that is not who he wanted to be. He wants to be a person of color, even though his daddy is Black. And the reason why he got into the business, his Black daddy got him in the business and in the company that he flourished in. But you know what? He don't want to be Black. I ain't making them Black. Superstar DeWayne Johnson, you are a person of color. Respect to you and all your success. Yeah. So you want to know one of the funniest things that I learned about this documentary as we move on from episode four to five? Yeah. That. That. All of them niggas like, yeah, we was wilding back then. I can't look at that shit now. Like, it's hilarious to me how, it's not in a bad way. It's just as a man, because there's shit that I did in my youth that if trade does it, I'm like, oh no, hell no. We know, yo, dad did that. So hopefully you ain't got to do that. Yeah. That's how the attitude era feels about what feels to all of these other wrestlers. Like, yo, we always wild. That was wild. And we only know how we got away with that. That Katie Vic angle. Now they go to the broad heart thing. Yeah. This is the worst part of the doc to me outside of the sexual harassment stuff. Because if none of that is exposed, that doesn't even make the doc. Yeah. So the worst thing in this doc would have been if it wasn't for that, the old heart thing in a reaction. Yeah. That is the, outside of the stuff that I know. Yeah. So this is removing all the sexual assault, sexual misconduct allegations and all of that. That was the nastiest I felt about this whole documentary, basically Mr. Man detailing that night and how it was dark. So not too many people saw what happened. And they came to see a paper view. They didn't come to see somebody die. The show must go on. That felt nasty. Yeah. And that's the first time saying the sexual misconduct things. And I looked at Vince McMahon and said, yo, you a nasty nigga. All I'm gonna say is, is the moment that you found out that that old heart was gone, that paper view should have been stopped. Yeah. And I didn't watch that paper view live. I just heard the next day. Yeah. That brought me that old heart died. Yeah. And brought heart might say something on nitro all this day. That's when you can start going to the message boards and finding out shit. But I might need to go watch that paper view. Because when I saw Jeff Jared and Deborah McMichael problem, I said, Dan, why did they do this? Yeah. You got a rustle in that? What was your thought? Yeah, man. So if nothing else for me, bang, this was the first thing that was definitely Vince McMahon's fault. And there was nothing that he could do to get out of it. But as nasty work as it is, I respect him for even doubling down on it almost 30 years later. Because the other thing that I learned in this doc and Paul Heyman, he said it too. Once we get to the end, yo, Vince McMahon only loves the business. Like that is that is his first and only love is this business. And even though it is crazy to like, even when you say it out loud, a wrestler dies right before a paper view. And they keep going and his blood is on the mat. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. We're doing like, you know, because it hadn't quite started, I guess. But his blood is on the mat. They've got him on the mat. They've covered him up. The house is a little dark. And now they're going to continue with a show. And you can even look on Jerry Lawler's face. And he's like, yo, no, this, this ain't it. And and that and the thing is, unfortunately, there are no feelings in business. And I think that we've learned that in media. We've learned that just by watching a lot of things that just happened and go on in this world. And I'm not excusing it. I'm not saying it's right. But I tell you what, though, I think if given the situation, I think Steve Jobs does the same thing. I think Bill Gates does the same thing. I think we know Elon Musk would do it three times. Jeff Bezos, I don't, I don't think you could point to one multimillion billion there in America or anywhere right now, who unfortunately is not going to make that exact same call. And that don't make it right. It's just me saying like, wow, but that is literally what being all about business is truly all about. And it's, and you can tell nobody's over that. Yeah. And I want to, I know, I want to speed through five and six, because now we get to the sexual assault allegations, which we've already talked about on the show. Me basically, me simply put, it's a lot to that. It's a lot of, even when we learn here, it's a lot added to what we already know, where it is so much stuff, where it is hard to, to me, it's hard to put out an opinion, because there's some shit, there's some shit that is like, come on, y'all, like, there's, that feels extortion-like, but then you start to see the power, you start to see the Mr. Man character take over. And, and the reason why I said this is because everybody loves this McMahon. It seems like everybody's like, yo, he's like a father. He's this and that. Here's the most eye-opening thing about this documentary, and where I would ask you after looking at this documentary, what are your thoughts on Vince McMahon? I think the most eye-opening part about this documentary is that a lot of people's like, yo, Vince is like a father to me, but then when they say, what is Vince McMahon's legacy, everybody was like, yo, I can't answer that shit, but Tony Atlas, the man who was around a lot of the nasty, nasty shit that used to happen to this business, he said he's the greatest promoter of all time. There's a lot of nuances to things, but he, the one thing you can't take away is that this business is not where it is, if it's not for him, he's the greatest, he is the greatest promoter of all time. But when you ask, when they ask everybody else that shit, I hope they actually gave that and they just didn't put it because if you ask, y'all see that the undertaker, Trish Stratus, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, his old kids, if you ask them what is his legacy and they say, all think I'm the person to answer that, that to me is bad. That to me is like taking the fifth film. You should know what that man legacy is. And even if it's an even if it's a complicated legacy, you should know what that is. Vince McMahon is a complicated man, he has a complicated legacy. He's given us this business in the form that is in and we can't take him, we'll take that away from him. There's no AEW, there's no ECW, there's none of these organizations without Vince McMahon taking over the WWF. With that being said, he a nasty nigga. And that has to be said, there's a nasty nigga who's there's nasty things and he confirms to me that there's not a big in there that's out here that's clean. You're gonna do some things that have to be beyond the realm of imagining what we would do because we got all of this to support and do not capy for that. I'm just saying that I don't think there's a non I don't think there's a non nasty million that I just don't. So that's a complicated legacy. You could look at everything that this man has done even for the people that he's done it for. At the same time, yo, he ain't shit nigga. Hey, you right? And I think, okay, so now to my just my final thoughts here because it's all going to tie them together. That what is Vince McMahon's legacy question was pretty ill, right? Because for me, to me, it is business first, business is business and you either family or you not. And I think that is the interesting trick bag that everybody but Tony Atlas was in. Tony Atlas is not fam, right? Tony Atlas is not fam. He's been close enough. He's been around long enough. And and I think he's played his position. But Tony Atlas ain't fam. John Cena, the reason why John Cena, much like the undertaker, much like Tristratus can't really put a finger on what the legacy is because in a way, not even in a way. Do you know what the realistic answer for them is? Creating John Cena. Creating the undertaker. Creating Tristratus. Creating Triple H DX and CFO Triple H like all of those, you know, say a Super Triple H, like that's the thing. His legacy are the people talking about. And that is whether it's good or bad. Hey, look, Bret Hart obviously needs therapy. He obviously needs therapy because Bret Hart was Shane McMahon at one point. Even he points out, even though his father is still Hart, he still said that Bret, that Mr. Man was like a father to him. But then he literally blames his father because he can't take his belt to his other job. And then he blames him for killing his brother. That's how Hart, Bret Hart is about the Montreal screw job. He's so hurt by that he thinks that this McMahon killed Owen Hart on purpose. And he says that in that documentary until legal action, until investigations are done to tell him otherwise. Bret Hart literally thinks that after Survivor Series in 1997, Vince McMahon has hell been on ruining his whole entire life and killing his brother. And that is crazy. That's crazy to think that he would do that. But I think that's also speaking to the person that he's hurt, Vince McMahon be to other people. So the thing is, we're talking to a bunch of grown men and women who all got signed and got their big breaks when they were grown men and women. They don't want to tell you, oh, he made me. And that's why, and this is why Hulk Hogan, as much as people do hate him now, and as much as he is a P.O.S. human being, he do got a point where he's like, yo, Vince McMahon didn't like create me. I was me, but he made it what you love about it. It's that thing where, you know, they may have came up with the idea together. Again, I think as an episode of Shark Tank, but the rest of the way though, Vince McMahon starts saying, oh, I'm going to make 12 Hulk Hogan's. And he does it in their own special way. I have so many Hulk Hogan's now. And the reason why these people can't answer what his legacy is, is because they got to admit, well, it's creating me. Who am I without Vince McMahon? Well, like, because the everybody else answering, they come in everybody, but Hulk Hogan, they answer after WrestleMania is a success. After the Mr. McMahon character is a thing, after he's made the millions, after they seen the plays, after he survived the steroid trial. So like, it is difficult. That's why I do respect Tony Atlas the most. And that's then that piece of the segment because he's the only person, I guess, either alive and or willing to talk. That's just going to tell it how he remembers it, because he's so close, but not quite fan. So we're going to rapid fire this bad blood prediction piece, because there's a part about black bad blood that came out last night or this weekend that I thought it was very interesting. So we're going to rapid fire this real quick. Okay, no, no, no, nothing but who go away and who goes lose bad blood 2024 or the Saturday, October 5th in Atlanta shouts out to my cousin and law, her son is going to be in the building because he goes to Arkansas, Pine Bluff, Cody Rhodes, love black folks, shouts out to Jonathan Hood for asking the question about Cody Rhodes and the culture. He really loves us black folks. But we got a question about some things around black people. But live Morgan versus rear Ripley, who you got for the title? I have Tiffany Stratton. Oh, yep, not changing Tiffany Stratton. That's my thing. All right, well, I got rear Ripley in this one, but that's interesting not to get in choked the other day. Damien Priest versus Finn Balor, who you got? I'm going to go Damien Priest. I'm going to go on the Fed. Okay. You go on the Fed Balor on that one. See him pump to McIntyre. Hell in the sale. Who you got? Who is the few? Because this is the one, right? This is the trilogy. I'll go see him punk because he's supposed to be the face and he needs it. All right, I'm going with CM Punk as well. Nia Jax and Bailey. So of course, there's going to be Tiffany Stratton. Who you got? I'm going Nia Jax. I keep. Oh, wait, no, no, no. I'm sorry. No, I'm going Bailey. I'm going Bailey. Okay, I'm going Bailey, Dan, Tiffany Stratton. That's where I got you. Don't go one for me, bitch. She's going to go on Bailey and Cody Rose and Roman Reigns versus the Bloodline. Who you got? Oh, anything, anything with Roman Reigns? Come on, bro. Team Roman Reigns. I have the bloodline. I have the bloodline of this one. So now let's get before we end the show, this black first black champ. We can't talk about the blacks, not the wrestling. They came out. First Rick Strickland and Mercedes Monet did interviews on the breakfast club. Swear Strickland mentions some things about race. I guess there's some people on the WWE that was concerned about how he's one of the highest paid wrestlers in the business now. And he put it on race, but Dan, that was a tweet that I saw. It was a tweet that I saw. And in this tweet, they explained about black folks and pay-per-views or black folks and premium live events since Triple H has been in charge. And apparently, it ain't been a lot. Now, when we look at the match up for what we have currently going on for bad blood, there's no black people on it. Yeah, no. It's the moment. It's the moment it's married to blacks. It's people's of color. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Science superstar Dwayne Johnson. Oh man, don't make me laugh. We got to hurry up. Oh, wow. But there's no black people. You have Bobby Lashley. Now, you have black people in NXT. You have some black people, that's for science, Cedric Alexander's one of them. But Bobby Lashley is more than likely on his way to AEW with the hurting syndicate, not business. You have Swear, who's now been put up at the top of the car. And people have wondered about Triple H in race relations. Ever since Booker T. Yeah, that's a fact. How do you feel about the lack of representation of the culture, George Triple H's era? You know, right. You know what, I'm not going to, I'm not going to react to it yet. Because part of me thinks a lot of the things happening are happening because we don't have Big E. And I'm going to be respectful to that. We all thought more was going to happen for the street profits and specifically my test for it. I think I said two weeks ago, yo, what's up with that? Now he reportedly, according to his wife, he has been hesitant to pull the trigger because he don't want to leave the home. Okay. Okay. You know what? Hey, look, as I, I'm glad you brought that up because I remember saying like, yo, what is Bianca Belair doing? So listen, it's something to be said here. It's something to be said here. But I don't know what quite yet. I'm not going to go off the far deep end. And say that Triple H is racist or doesn't want to see black people win or succeed or strive. But I will say that you can tell that there is a change, but fortunately or unfortunately though, he ain't force fed us nobody yet though. And that's that's my dilemma. Like, I don't feel anybody's being force fed. So I look at NXT and I look at all of the black talents around and everybody at NXT. It's a lot. Me trick wiggles is the face of NXT right there. Yeah. You got Jana Parker, who's been in a big spot spot. They just, it just seems like it's black and people of color all over NXT. NXT feels like it should be on UPN sometimes. Not in a bad, not a bad thing. But I'm going to read the date. This post that came from the daily DDT on August 5th. And this is through July 31st. Black talent make up 15% of the NBA performers on Raw and 20% of the NBA performers on SmackDown. WWE Raw's had 31 shows to point in 2024 with black talent appearing in the main event eight times SmackDown has had 30 with 13 performed in the main event. Looking all the data in the perception of the overall show is understandable by fans are concerned about the positionally of black performers. SummerSlam featured 14 integrated performers across seven matches with only one black person on the entire car and Nia Jax. This is identifying Nia Jax as black. Hey, shot tonight. Are you harder than your cousin? Yeah. And this is daily DDT that's saying that they're acknowledging her as a black money in the bank before that featured only three black performers and Naomi Zoey Stark, who I did not know that was mixed until today. I was today years old finding that out and Carmelo Hayes. I just thought she had a bad tan. I thought so too. I was today years old. So when I look at this, I think where there's smoke, there's fire. Okay. Here's my thought. Who is the the Triple H God? That's black. That's what I'm interested in. Who if we know that in these circles, there's that one that people mess with. All right. Who is Triple H black person? It can't be in my opinion. It can't be Big E because since he's been in his role, he's been hurt. Yeah. Is that Carmelo Hayes came to the main roster and didn't do shit until he was in this best of seven that we didn't even know that was a best of seven man. Right. Bianca Belair is Bianca Belair. Yeah. We know this. She was that before. She's going to be that afterwards. If what she's saying about Montes for it is true. He don't want to pull the trigger because he don't want to leave Angela like that. All right. That's on him. Yeah. Who is that person? This even goes back to what I had said last week that if y'all going to break up the due date, somebody got to be Shawn Michaels and somebody got to be Marty Jeanette. Yeah. We eventually need to find out sooner rather than later who is that main person on the main that black person on the main roster that is the go to. Yeah. We are at a point where we are right now that we can't go backwards for what we've been seeing. I'm not advocating that every black person needs to have a bill. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying though is when there's smoke, there's fire. Yeah. If you look at the Triple H era, there's an era where the black people went. Yeah. I think that you have to start looking at Triple H funny in the light. If this is how it's going to continue. Yeah. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Unless he's going to show up at a scrum and say again, hey, hey, well, I wanted it to be Montes for it, but he doesn't want to break up the street profits. Like he has to say something. He's got to, he's got to get on the fourth rope to tell me. You know what I'm saying? Like so. And again, I was going to say Bianca Belair, but I mean, hey, you know what, Bianca Belair was never NXT Women's Champion when he was there. So Paul, we watching you. That's, that's all I got. We watching you because Bobby Lashley, Bobby like, because I showed it in the dark, but nothing distracts you from the fact that Bobby Lashley was teamed with Donald Trump for WrestleMania, he's never talked about racist. But MVP did mention that he feels like Triple H ain't no racist. But anytime you hear a black person say, "Hey man, I don't think that person racist." But they got racist tendencies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we ain't really like welcome here, though. Yeah. It's like, "Yo, we cool, but we ain't that cool." So, all right, man, I don't have any guarantees. Nah, predictions was enough. Close us out. Oh man, well, hey, look, we thank y'all for tuning in to this Mickey man, Docker recap and prediction show. 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