Amala Ekpunobi
REACTION: One Liberal Teen Goes Up Against 20 Trump Supporters
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I'm your host, Amla Evanobi, and today we're going to be reacting to the Jubilee video. I call it the Jubilee video because everybody screaming at me like, "Amla, you have to watch this video. You have to watch this little liberal teen go up against 20 Trump supporters, 20 Republicans, and apparently he hates, apparently he hates them up." That's what we're going to do. We're going to be reacting to Dean, this young liberal debater who I've seen on TikTok before, because he's always on TikTok live, and he's debating all these different Trump supporters online. I've seen him before, and he is in this Jubilee episode, and he's going up against 20 Trump supporters. This is very similar to the Charlie Kirk episode, where he went up against, I guess, 20 woke college students. So we're flipping the script a little bit, and everybody is telling me that this man ate down. So, without further ado, we are going to get into the video. Of course, before we get there, I have to introduce Taylor and Nashville. >> I just feel so youthful and trendy that we're using this, eat up language in the title and with the video, because that's not something us millennials used to say. But yeah, did he eat and leave no crumbs, as the kids say? Let's find out. >> Of course, I've seen this with the 7 million other people who have already watched this episode. I saw it as soon as it came out, because I was wondering, are they going to flip the surrounded script on this? And you know what? I know how Jubilee operates because I've been on many Jubilee videos. They reached out to him, said we'd love you to be the debater for this episode. He gets to write his prompts for the episode and choose the different claims that he wants to make, and we are going to analyze those claims. But of course, the claims that he gets in the same way that Charlie Kirk got his claims, they can be prepared for in every way, shape and form, because they're the ones bringing them to the table, except for the very last one at the end of the episode, which I believe one of the people from their audience, their conservative audience in this case, picks. So, we're going to go through, we're going to fact check, we're going to talk about the different dynamics between the people debating, and we'll start the video right now. >> There's two main categorical reasons why say Harris would be better than Trump. The first category is character. >> Speaking of which, if we're bringing up stuff from the past, we can say she slept with Willie Brown, broke up a family just to get her job. >> She got 4.5 million votes to get into AG and DA and slept with zero of them. >> You don't know that though. >> You know that? No. >> Okay. >> So little enough. >> Something that she slept with 4.5 million people. >> I'm sure she could have. >> Are you serious? >> Now, girl, I've seen this clip everywhere. I've seen so many clips from this episode. It was very similar to the Charlie Kirk episode. All these clips are going viral on Twitter and Instagram and TikTok and la, la, la, la. I know the girl who's on the right here, she's a very sweet girl and she's dealing with a lot from these clips going viral, of course. But we'll see the claims she makes and how well she holds her ground on them. >> The most important person she had to sleep with 4.5 million. >> My name is Dean Withers. I'm a 19-year-old liberal. I do political debate for a living and today I'm surrounded by 20 Trump supporters. >> No mind you, he's marketed as like a liberal teen in this episode. He is a professional debater. This is what he does for a living as he said and a lot of people seem to forget that when they're talking about this episode. >> My first claim is Donald Trump is a racist. >> Okay, cool. Running hot right out of the gate. >> Yeah, so I don't understand how people get this idea that Trump is racist. My family came from a communist country, they came from Cuba, and they came from Mexico. So I don't see anything or any statement that he's ever made that's racist. I mean, there's things that there's accusations, but there's no facts behind it. And this whole idea that all Hispanics are illegal immigrants and they came here undocumented is not true because my family came here on both sides from through the illegal immigration process. Not illegally here. >> Okay. So that was a bold claim. You just said that, you know, there's no facts to substantiate the idea that Donald Trump is going to be a racist. So in the 1970s, there's civil litigation held against him by the DOJ of the state of New York for literally not renting to black people. What they did is they would send in quote unquote testers to his rental properties at the time, they'd send in a white person, a white person would ask the property manager if they had any available properties to rent. They'd say, yes, here we go, here's housing application. Then they'd send in a black tester that asked the same question, and then they'd actually be denied. When this was investigated by the DOJ, the property manager told them that this was just a quote unquote in order from the higher up from this boss from Donald Trump. And then they investigated Donald Trump, brought civil litigation against him. And they, yeah, they essentially determined that, yeah, he wasn't renting to black people and which he then had to promise the DOJ. Now this lady's shaking her head, and she's shaking her head for good reason. We'll get to, I'll let him finish the sentence first before we get to talking about this point. That he was no longer going to racially profile in his housing application, and even how to put ads in the New York, in the New York newspaper, I say that in rent to black people. So what you're saying is basically he's not renting to black people, but yet he employs a lot of minorities, he employs a lot of blacks, Asians, Hispanics onto a staff. So why wouldn't he be renting to black people? That doesn't make any sense. Okay, so this guy's not prepared for the argument, of course, which is why he's throwing the question back. Like, why would he not rent to black people? And I looked into this 1970s case, this civil litigation against Donald Trump. What they essentially found is that when they did these testers, despite what Dean says, they weren't just outright denying black people. They would tell certain groups of people that the rent was actually, you know, twice the price of the estate that it really was. And those people would then, of course, not go on to apply for the property because they've been lied to. Now, if you are doing that exclusively to black people, you're discriminating. You still have, you know, a case in the claim that Dean is making about him being a racist. It took like two seconds of looking into this to find articles on like Politico, where it says that Donald Trump was never actually told to have been discriminating discriminating against black people. He never said that out loud, Donald Trump writes in a 1987 book that if there was any sort of discrimination, he would not rent out his properties to people who were on welfare, whether they were white or black. He made that very clear. He never had to write that he was discriminating against people. In fact, and I'll pull up this article here just so everybody has it sourced because I know a lot of the leftists who will go on to read this episode are going to want to source here. So in Politico, it says Trump and the company entered a consent decree, settling the litigation in 1975, the agreement contained no admission of wrongdoing, but required the Trump firm to institute a series of safeguards to make sure that the apartments were rented without regard to race, color, religion, sex, and national origin. Got it? Okay. Trump actually countersued when all of this was happening for slander. So, I mean, there you go, and if it's the one thing, example that you have to lean on of racism from Donald Trump is from the 1970s, could we really work it into, you know, the modern day and age, especially when you have a candidate like Joe Biden, who is the current president of the United States, who has a history that is littered with racism. He was actively fighting for segregation, saying that schools would be turned into racial jungles. If you allowed white students and black students to go together, he called black people super predators. He said recently, if you don't vote for me, you ain't black. He says that poor kids are just as good as white kids. Now imagine Dean's retort to that might be, well, Biden is no longer the candidate. It's Kamala Harris. It just happens to be his VP running mate, who is now the new candidate who actively fought against Joe Biden when they were doing debates for the Democratic nomination and said he's a racist and she actually labeled all the reasons why Joe Biden was a racist. So you know, do we really want to play the race card in the racism card in this debate? Just quite yet. But we're coming out of the gate with this allegation against Donald Trump. Just give us evidence of any time in the modern era where Donald Trump has been racist towards somebody. Please and thank you. Also because it's an example of race, but also is an example that the Department of Justice is weaponized against people that do something in life. Can you give me any evidence for that? I'll give you evidence of that. Yes, I will because Trump was political for a very long time. He made political statements. He was very unpopular with a lot of Democrats. He would say things that they didn't like and they would go after him. They would weaponize the Department of Justice like they are right now. They're weaponizing the Department of Justice against them. They're using the government for their political power to go against him because they disagree with his political opinion. That's what they do. The Democrats have been going after him for years even considering he used to be a registered Democrat. So I don't. Not necessarily the argument to make, especially if he's citing something from the 1970s before Trump was really dedicating himself to to politics. I get what he's trying to go where he's trying to go with the whole law fair argument, but it doesn't exactly work with the example that Dean is using. Believe that Trump is racist whatsoever. I don't I don't see that piece. I see his employees. I've been to a lot of his properties in the past and I know that he hires a lot of minorities. So I don't I don't believe that to be true. Even if Donald Trump was a racist and we could actually give you know, fact-based arguments for him being a racist, clearly that does not disqualify him from gaining people's supports as it never just it never disqualified Joe Biden from gaining the support of the Democratic Party. And I imagine Dean was a supporter of Joe Biden and would be supporting Joe Biden had he not dropped out of the race for reelection. Okay. So your claim here is that, well, he actually didn't do what the DOJ accused him and held him liable for doing. Yeah, but the DOJ says a lot of things. He doesn't make it true. I finish real quick. So you're saying that the DOJ actually was unfairly persecuting Donald Trump a political opponent in the 70s. He wasn't running for any public office. So I don't know why you'd say that was a political opponent, but maybe we can look at a more intuitive example. Well, he's made political statements in the 70s as well. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So your claim is that yeah, the DOJ was unfairly persecuting him. Do you have any evidence of that? If you go back, do you have any evidence why the DOJ was investigating him in the first place? Yeah, because they'd got it. No, there's no evidence. The DOJ has been an illegitimate organization for a very long time. Okay. So they make a lot of statements, but it doesn't mean that they're going to actually go through with anything. Nothing really happened at the end of the day. It was just a witch hunt at the end of the day. Okay. Well, I mean, I don't think you'd have any evidence for the claim that it was a witch hunt. I think that at the end of the day, this is a conspiracy theory. I think that Donald Trump has-- Conspiracy theory. Why do I finish real quick? Thanks. So I think that at the end of the day, this is going to be a conspiracy theory. I think that the DOJ does this. I'm sorry. That Donald Trump would perpetuate a lot of conspiracy theories. He did this with the outcome of the 2020 election. But let's look at another example that's not coming from the DOJ or the criminal justice system. We're referencing 2012 through 2014. Donald Trump said that because Barack Obama is black, he's obviously not a US-born citizen. So therefore, he-- He did not say that he was black. He's not a US-born citizen. Well, let's talk about the birther movement, right? So I just have a quick question. What do you say trying to take it off? There was legitimacy questioning his birth certificate. Questioning his birth certificate. It also doesn't make him a racist. I mean, it's fine. They're legitimate. He's a family came from Kenya. How is he running for? Wait, Donald Trump's mother is a Scottish as a Scottish immigrant. Should we question his birth certificate? They came here through the legal process. He didn't come here through the legal process. Wait, so you're saying that Obama's parents were undocumented migrants? Which would have to qualify this. I just want to answer a question. Would have to. I just want to ask you one question. Sheriff, what's I going to ask you one friend with? Sheriff, Joe Arpaio, who I'm friends with, looked into the claims of that birth certificate and there was questions of whether it was falsified. Wait, you actually believe that? Yes, I do believe that. Okay, so you were racist like Donald Trump. I'm not racist. Oh, wow. You're calling Hispanic and a Cuban racist. You might have. This guy's not prepared, I think, for the argument. Now he turns and says you're calling a Hispanic and a Cuban racist, which is possible. You can be a person of color and also be racist, so not necessarily the best retort to that accusation. I guess the good retort to that accusation is you can say things that people deem to be racist, but are factually, they're not racist. They're not. And that would go for his example about Donald, about Barack Obama and his birth certificate. I take 30 seconds. All right. So first of all, yes, another white liberal. This episode is brought to you by Shopify. Upgrade your business with Shopify, home of the number one checkout on the planet. Shoppay boosts conversions up to 50 percent, meaning fewer cards going abandoned and more sales going to Ching. So if you're into growing your business, get a commerce platform that's ready to sell wherever your customers are. Visit Shopify.com to upgrade your selling today. All right. I'll start where you guys left off. Yeah. I think that hopefully we can slow things down a little bit here, have some productive conversations. Yeah. How about I just start off by giving you my reasons why I think that Donald Trump is racist. So with the last guy, we kind of touched on the civil litigation that was held against him in the 1970s for not renting to black people. But I want to focus upon a more like intuitive example. Proponing the the idea that Barack Obama was not a US-born citizen. So first, I just want to ask you a very simple question. What do you say trying to take away opportunity from a black man because he's black is racism? Yeah. I mean, to be honest, yes, I do believe that. Which is not what was happening in that case. He's not trying to take away opportunity from Barack Obama because he's black. I mean, it's and it's honestly something that could be very easily cleared up. So I don't know what exactly we're going for here. There's an interesting tactic that we're witnessing where Dean comes forward with his claim and his claim is Donald Trump is a racist, which is really kind of like it's a feelings based claim really. It's how he makes him feel. And then before anybody can come and rebuttal him, he says, let me give the reasons for my claim. And then he'll give some give some reasons that he feels like he can defend properly against the attacks from the other side. And then he'll say, well, I've proved that this is racist. Therefore, he shouldn't be president because I guess you can't vote for somebody who is racist as president, which I feel like many people would agree with. But not really because we got a racist as a president right now. Or you could argue that Joe Biden, like many others, has grown out of his old opinions and his older marks and is now, you know, a unifying force in this world. And that's why all these Democrats have been voting for Joe Biden. So it's, you know, it's one or the other. Either you also vote for racist, or maybe things that happen in the past are not a great indicator of who somebody is at the present, or you're using examples that don't even make somebody a racist. There's a lot of things going on here, a lot of tactics being used. Taylor, you're going to say some real quick, it's just it's a bit of a gotcha strategy as well. You're using these kind of deep cut references that the average Republican is not likely to be prepared for. And then you're using the fact that they haven't heard of this point that's dug back from the 1970s about Trump's racism, and that they haven't had the opportunity to investigate that claim. What matters is whether the claim that you're making is true once we have laid out all the evidence, you're presenting one framing of this situation and saying that this proves that Donald Trump is racist and that by extension proves that he's not qualified to be president. And when really the only way that you're winning is because you're using a piece of information that no one else has been exposed to yet. So it's not that you're actually winning a substantive argument that's what that's been litigated properly in view of all the evidence. It's just that you found something that somebody else hasn't heard of before. And then yeah, the whole birther issue, the question at hand is whether Obama was born in the United States, whether he was legitimately a citizen that has nothing to do with the color of his skin. I admit it was a strange thing to go after. I don't recall it being a very substantive argument. But nonetheless, it had to absolutely nothing to do with race, so to use that as evidence of racism is also misguided. Yep, 100%. Let's continue watching. Okay, but I think we also have to look into what the administration when he was in office did, not what happened back in 1970 when he wasn't even in office. It was a complete different administration making the rules. When he was in office, he gave opportunity zones, gave funding to HBCUs. He also implemented the first step act, which I feel like liberals really focus on like, oh, our prison system has a majority of African Americans in there. So we gave them an opportunity to get out early to start a new life. So I think if we're going to go back and look at some stuff in the 1970s, that's not really fair, because there's a lot of people on the Democrat side that have done worse things while in office, Joe Biden, who when he was a senator, pushed to African Americans incarcerated at a higher rate, like actions speak louder than words at the end of the day. And what Trump did in office helped the black community an exponential amount compared to all the other administrations on the Democratic Party. Okay, so you're saying what he did in office helped African Americans more than other administrations? Yeah. You referenced historically, historically black universities. Do you know how much funding he sent to HBCUs? With decent amount, I decent amount. I can't give you the exact exact amount. So the exact amount was $250 million per year. Okay. Do you know how much Obama's administration and Biden's administration have sent? I would like to hear. Obama sent one billion a year and Biden sent four billion dollars a year. So not. Okay. To your point. Not only did he decrease funding to historically black universities, all right, but also you referenced the first step act there. How did Donald Trump influence the first step act to get passed through Congress? Well, how did he influence that bill through Congress? Answer that question for me. Because he didn't influence it. In fact, it was proposed to Congress under Obama's administration and it was shot down. So and then something else I did want to. At the end of the day, as president, he has the ability to sign or send a bill back to Congress and he signed it. If he was truly racist, he would not have signed it in the first place. Okay. But about the end of the day, he's still signed it. He has that ability. Just like every president before they don't. I mean, we have a four year term from Donald Trump. What horrible things happened to black people while he was president that you can bring forward to really justify this claim that he is a racist. And what are you worried about if he gets another term in office that he didn't disperse that he's going to perpetuate in the second? That's what I want to hear about because somebody, you know, there could be a whole lot of races out there running around a whole lot of secret races and probably in today's society more than ever because so everybody's so everybody's so scared to be called a racist. I don't care about your internal thoughts. I care about the outcomes of your actions, which is the point that this this young guy's making to Dean right now. You have to lay out some evidence as to how your claim is going to come to affect my personal life if I vote for Donald Trump as president. And he is yet to do that. Like a bill that ability to send it right back to Congress and there's congressional means to get it passed without the president's approval. But still, he signed it. If he's really a racist, why do you sign it in the first place? Yeah, well, I don't think that we could just ignore Trump saying that Obama isn't a US-born citizen and he's probably from Kenya. I don't think that we could ignore. Do you mind if I finish here, sir? Okay, go ahead, go ahead. I don't think that we could ignore the civil litigation against him in the 1970s for not renting to black people. I don't think we could ignore his recent comments about Kamala Harris saying that she turned black implying that she wasn't black prior just because he signed the first step back into law. And I don't think that comments about Kamala being black is going to age well with all the investigation that's going on right now into her family history and it's all the whole family tree that's going on with Kamala Harris. I don't know if that comment's going to age real well on that. Understand that does do something. Trump's comment will age well. I mean, deans. The African-American community. But I don't think we could say because he did this one thing that all of these other examples are null and void. You also referenced Joe Biden there. I have no problem saying that Joe Biden has a racist past. And in fact, I think that's something I need to recognize and we should all recognize. But what I can't stand is when I hear people denying Trump's racism saying it never occurred when it's so obvious. Well, at the end of the day, what I'm trying to explain right now. It's not obvious. I mean, a quick Google search makes it very unclear what it is you're talking about when it comes to the civil litigation brought against Donald Trump in the 1970s. How is that Biden has signed bills into law voted for them that hurt the community. Trump has not done anything to that extent. Sure, he says some things were maybe a little bit if he went way back. You're saying things were back in the 1970s that did not even have like, he couldn't even like sign a law or anything like that because he wasn't even in office. He's been voted off the island. Who's next? Okay. I guess what I want to start with is looking at the actual word racist. I think nowadays it's a word that people throw around kind of like the word love. It is a very powerful word. It has a lot of negative connotation. It has a lot of power that comes with it. When I think of racist, I think of Hitler who murdered millions of Jews. When I think of racist, I think of the Ottoman Turks that murdered 1.5 million of my people. I think of that. I don't think of Trump who maybe he said things in the past this or that. If we want to go about talking about saying things, Biden said Obama is one of the first mainstream blacks to be bright and intelligent. He said that you can only walk into a 7-Eleven if you have an Indian accent. He has said that if you vote for Trump over him, you're not black. He said so many of these things in his past and the prompt is talking about is Trump racist. But to me, it's not about that because of how the media has displayed racism. They just focus on Trump and it is about both sides. They don't touch upon Biden. They don't talk about Biden. And when you look at his policies, like my friend mentioned, if Trump was a racist, he would not be passing policies. He wouldn't even give a dollar to these black universities. If he truly had this, it's an intention of the heart and I'll go out and I'll step out and say, I'm sure everybody here has said something racist in their life. That doesn't make you a racist. It's kind of like if you weigh 400 pounds and you eat celery, you're not skinny. All these examples that you're talking about are from years and years ago. What has he done that's racist in the last maybe five, ten years? Ten years ago, 2014, Trump was actively proponent Barack Obama's brother, Meth, the idea that he was not born in a... But you already said that example. Give me something new. Because that's... Okay, fine. Yeah, sure. I mean, you're asking for some of the last five to ten years. That was ten years ago. I thought that... To me, I would just be like, so what? So what is the impact that this is going to have on me as a voter moving forward? What is something that Donald Trump has done during his first presidential term that has impacted me negatively, that is informed by his racism and that is going to continue if he gets a second term? You have to really let me know what this means for the future and going forward. And of course, this is a debate structure, so they're just going to go back and forth on this point for as long as they can. I just go over that again. Another reason why I wanted to go over that again with you is because how intuitively racist it is, right? Denying or saying that a black man should have less... And he's already said it hasn't affected really his view of Joe Biden and that's something that he needs to take in and learn from is that he still supports a man who is far more racist in his past than any example that he can give of Donald Trump. So what? So you know actively that the candidate who's currently sitting in office is a former racist at the very least and probably a current racist based on actual modern-day examples of his racism, yet you still support him. You most likely... Well, he didn't vote for him. He's 19. So what are we doing here arguing at this point? What clearly doesn't mean much to you? So why should it mean anything to me? The opportunity because of the color of his skin is very obviously racist. When did he make that comment? Yeah, so the the whole birther myth with Barack Obama, right? I essentially hope to achieve that he wasn't born in the U.S. He was born in Kenya and because he's not a U.S. born citizen, he shouldn't have the opportunity to run for U.S. President. The only reason he said that is because of the color of Barack Obama's skin, but I would like to... Has he explicitly said he said that specifically because he's black or you just taking that assumption? He's making that assumption. Okay, so what else? What explanation do we have here? I just have Jake. I've seen everything I need to say. I'm working on you. Okay, so I mean, well, yeah, I think that looking at Barack Obama saying that he was born in Africa and then even denying his birth certificate from Hawaii, still like attributing his birth to Africa, I don't really see any other explanation apart from that besides the fact that Barack Obama has black skin. And then another example from like... That's also a comment. That wasn't a racist action. Taylor, do you miss him watching your face? Well, again, it's the same issue. There's no evidence that Trump would call into question Obama's birth citizenship because of his race. It's just that he is not legally allowed to be president if he wasn't born in the country. Has nothing to do with his race. That's the only reason it would be called into question. And so Dean is reasserting this assumption and it's just that that is precisely it's your assumption. So I wish the rebuttal there would have been along those lines, but now he's kind of pivoting to something else. Yeah, pivoting, pivoting. And that was a comment. He's okay. What action has he taken part in the last five, 10 years that have been racist against not even just blacks against other races. All right, first I don't think that we should call like African-Americans like blacks. I think that's a dehumanizing word. I'll be honest, I don't like when people say blacks either. You should just say black people. It just sounds a little weird. It sounds old-timey like it sounds like, but I'm not going to be up and arms about it. But second of all opinion, but okay, sorry, second second of all, right? Even if we look at like the last month or two, I'd say that same Kamala Harris, right, quote-unquote term black and playing that she wasn't black prior. That's another racist comment. We could also reference that. It's not a racist comment for much of her career and much of her history. Everybody was saying, Indian, Indian, Indian, Indian this first indie in that first female that and now it's suddenly become black woman. And that's what he's making a comment about. She suddenly turned black and very much so in the eyes of the public. So that's not a racist comment. It's just a realization that the narrative is switching. And you know, maybe we'll get into this further because I'm sure he's going to bring up Kamala and defend her throughout this, but it's not a racist comment. That one day she's Indian, one day she's black. That's not true. In saying somebody suddenly turned black, this is not a negative characterization of the race or saying that one race is superior or inferior. So how is that a racist comment? Hello. Howdy. Very nice to meet you. So nice to meet you as well. So now I've seen clips of this woman. I know she's going to eat down. Oh, you know, you're looking back at Donald Trump's history. One thing I do want to say, I don't know if you are aware, Palm Beach didn't used to let let African Americans there. Donald Trump sued the city of Palm Beach to allow black membership at Mar-a-Lago. That is not racist. I think. So there, you have an example of the civil litigation in the 1970s. She has an example that is, you know, far more profound, in my opinion. What is he going to say to that? Do they cancel each other out? Does that prove that he's not a racist? Not to Dean. He's going to continue with the narrative that he is a racist. I'll believe in further than her story with what happened here. He actually sent movies to these like council members who were against Jewish people and black people being able to go into these clubs and be in these facilities. He sent them movies about antisemitism and racism towards black people and said, basically sit down, watch this. And guess what? I'm allowing Jewish people and black people into my club into West Palm Beach. So your points, your points? One of the problems that we have a lot on the left, every time there's a disagreement, we get thrown. You're a racist. You're a sexist. You're this. You're that. And it dissolves the discussions that we should be having on policies. Secondly, Donald Trump worked with Senator Scott to create opportunity zones in black communities. If he was truly a racist, it's not something that he would do. So I think the whole premise is, he's a racist, he's a sexist, takes away from policy positions that we should be discussing. If we go to the border and we talk about rapists and murderers, yeah, they are happening. Lake and Riley is now dead. We have 300,000 missing migrant children known sold into the sex trade per the last IG report. These are important issues. Our economy is an important issue. You want to ask you a question? Absolutely. Are you a US born citizen? 100%. You are statistically speaking, four times more likely to commit a violent crime than an undocumented migrant. So when you kind of hurt your signal on behalf of that, they shouldn't be here. Okay. Guess what? I'll give you another statistic. 100% of crimes committed by undocumented migrants are preventable. So what's your point? You can talk about the stats of American citizens committing crimes all day, but 100% of crimes committed by undocumented migrants are preventable. How do we prevent them by not allowing them into the United States? All right. All right. And American and my husband's an immigrant. Okay. Yeah, but a legal immigrant. Okay. You came here legally. Okay. I understand. We've got 100 ISIS in our country right now that was reported. We've got Godaways. We've got 10 day Jeragua. I've interviewed Oscar Blue, who's been through the Darien Gap four times. People are dying. Okay. So you're saying that we have a crisis out of the sun in the border. Well, I'm saying that you're saying that Donald Trump is racist. Donald Trump loves America. Okay. Well, first of all, I want to ask you one simple question first, and maybe we could get back to the prompt. Do you think that we have a crisis at the southern border today? 100%. So you'd say that we also had a crisis at the southern border at the Trump's term because we have the same amount of daily crossings to stay them in? No, we do not. Yes. We have about 2400 crossings today. That is not true. We have a Trump term after funding. And let's just ignore the massive spike in crossings that have happened all throughout this administration at record highs, the likes of which we've never seen in this country. Let's just ignore that and talk about the amount of crossings that are happening on the current day that they're having this debate. 1000 14,000 crossings a day. The Biden-Harris administration put us back into what's called the global compact of migration. They are now using an app where they use our refugee resettlement program to fly people into our country to different states. So for you to say that the Trump administration that had, did not have catch and release, that is not, and Biden put it back in. And then we also had Remain in Mexico, which on day one of Biden's administration, he wiped out because he was in. She's eating down. She knows exactly what she's talking about. And I love that she's, she's not letting him run, run on her and is really holding steady in her point. Effective. I mean, we can look at it. Oh, it was very effective. Do you mind if I talk real quick? It's just propaganda. It's what you've heard from CNN and MSNBC. Actually, how about I provide you a source that isn't CNN, is it MSNBC? And it's actually a source from Donald Trump's rally. So remember when Donald Trump got shot in his ear, what did he, what did he have behind him? It was the chart that showed the lowest crossings in this chart. Do you mind if I talk about that chart? I have the chart. Can we bring it out? You have the chart with you? Yeah, I do. She's ready. Bring the chart out. Can you have me my purse, someone? Like you have like a, like you have like an actual picture of the chart. I do. Phenomenal. I just look at the chart. She's prepared. This is great. Oh, it's on, it's on your phone. I thought that you had like an actual picture. We can hold it up to the camera if they want to see it. Okay. Well, I mean, well, maybe we could just reference the data on that chart. So you're referencing the Remain in Mexico policy. So that was one of Donald Trump's day ones. He only had increasing border numbers until the day he signed Title 42 into effect year by year, they only increased Mexico policy. The wall, it was all incredibly ineffective border legislation. He couldn't get Congress together to pass anything. So then he had to reprope the wall. That's not true. That's not true. Congress passed HR2. It's been sitting on Chuck Schumer's desk since May of 2023. It was the one bill that would secure the border. Border Patrol has endorsed President Trump. Law enforcement has endorsed President Trump. Okay. The Biden administration and the Harris administration have failed this nation. And they have allowed this invasion of our country and Americans are dying. And sorry, these gang members should not be here. I have a question. So what do you say? We had an undocumented migrant that was like a felon, a sexual abuser, a violent offender that they shouldn't be allowed in the country. Oh, he's going to give her a gotcha and say, you know, that's all the things that Trump Trump is considering all the lawfarer that's been brought up against Donald Trump. And she's prepared for this because I've seen her before. A hundred percent. None of these people should be without process. Okay. So my question to you would be, well, then why do you want a criminal felon sexual abuser to run the country? Because I believe that we're suffering from an extreme case of lawfare, which I can prove. And you know, when you look, let's take, for instance, the New York case, the one that he's going to probably go to jail for, even though he's not guilty. The 34 felonies? The 34 felonies that they changed the statute of limitations in order to prosecute him that they changed. Oh, your case is confused. So they didn't change any statute. Oh, yes, they did. What second? I know what you're referencing of you'll just allow me. Yes, they did. Just allow me. But not only have 30 30 seconds. Well, we only have 40 seconds left. I just want to clarify. They didn't change. You've got the seat the whole time. Okay, we have 35 seconds left. What were the felonies for? Okay, so let's not talk about that. Let's talk about the plain and simple fact that they moved the number three from Biden's DOJ to a state case. Let's talk about the fact that Mark Pomerance, who worked in the Biden administration, basically pled the fifth six time when he said that he was talking to Bragg. And he would not talk about that. Alvin Bragg ran on getting Trump. Let's talk about Judge Murchance, daughter Laura, who's making millions for the Harris administration and the Biden administration right now in order to prosecute Trump. That is recusal. It's going to get dropped at the Supreme Court. There was nobody there switching misdemeanors to felonies to get his ass. There was so much going on at the time. I mean, not not to mention like all the other blatant attacks against Donald Trump where they tried and they flopped and they tried and they flopped and they flopped and they flopped in the media propaganda and this, that and the other, which is why there's a lot of people out here in the United States who truly believe this claim, that this first claim that's being made that Trump is a racist, even though there is not much at all to substantiate that claim. Alvin Bragg should have worked he's himself. Judge Murchance should have worked he's himself. I like your power. My next claim is Donald Trump doesn't care about the American people. Donald Trump doesn't, okay, so Donald Trump is a racist. Donald Trump doesn't care about the American people. It's very interesting that these are, again, like very feelings based claims. I don't know how you go back and forth as to whether or not somebody cares about the American people or how you would be able to identify whether or not what they're saying is actually true. Meanwhile, when Charlie Kirk did his debate, it was like, I think abortion is immoral or trans women are not women, things that you can actually really go back and forth on, whereas how do we determine whether or not somebody actually cares about the American people? Hopefully, we'll go through that question and figure that out. I completely disagree with you on that. That Trump doesn't, you're saying he doesn't care. Oh, I don't know that Omar's ready to talk about the American people. I mean, while he was president, he was pushing pro-economic policies which were furthering the American economy. I mean, right now, if you go to a gas station, you're paying more money to fill up your car, going to the grocery store, you're paying more for meat, you're paying more for groceries, you're paying more for a lot of things. Taxes are higher right now. So why- Taxes are higher right now. We're still under Donald Trump's tax. And never mind, somebody who doesn't care about the American people can also achieve all of these things. I don't know where the basis of care has to be argued in this case, but here we are. It's good. We're not completely, no, it's not true. That's not true. Because each individual state can impose their own taxes. I'm going to give you an example. In Los Angeles County, they pass all these other measures increasing quarter-sense sales tax here in Los Angeles County. And what do they do with the money? They misuse the money. They don't even use it to fix the streets. They allocate all this funding towards the homeless. Billions of dollars saying they're going to build all these shelters. They're going to build public housing. And yet, all the money goes to administrative cost. It goes into the pension system. So they're misusing the money. They're not using the money to actually help people. So if you think about someone who's going to help people, Democrats have been promising people in the state of California that they're going to do something about the problem. Yet, they have unlimited power here to do whatever they want. But yet, we have thousands of homeless. The LA Times reported that there was 66,000 more homeless people in the last seven years. That's the LA Times. That's a liberal magazine quoted there's 66,000 more homeless people in Los Angeles. Can I ask you a question? Go ahead. So I've like a lot of reasons I'd like to bring up here. Why I'd say that Trump doesn't care about the American people. I love this. I love this strategy. I mean, you make a claim. It's a pretty vague claim or like a claim that, you know, you could argue on either side of. And then he already has his his example set up that he knows that he can defend at least to the best of his abilities. So he's going to listen to what you have to say, but then say, okay, I thank you for all that information. Can I now give you my examples as to why he doesn't care about the American people, which we're all taking in all of these examples all the time. We're listening to news when we're engaging with these candidates, when we're hearing what they have to say. And we're making value judgments as to whether or not they care about the American people. You know, a candidate could do a bunch of horrible stuff to the American people whilst caring about them. A candidate could also do a bunch of wonderful stuff for the American people and be doing it surely out of ego and have no care at all for the American people or who they're impacting. So I don't know what this claim means or why it matters. But you referenced his economic policy and we could reference that. So yeah, can you name like one economic policy that Donald Trump influenced to get past that benefited the low in the middle class more than it benefited the top 1%? Okay. Well, first of all, the Democrats pass all these policies. Wait, just about Donald Trump, can you name one policy? Okay, so we all know that Donald Trump has passed policies that have impacted the middle class and that have benefited the middle class, but he's specifically asking the question policies that have benefited the middle class more than the upper class and the 1%, which again, the framing of the question, that does not matter. If you pass a piece of legislation that elevates the middle class and it elevates the upper class, nobody's asking who did the legislation benefit more. So he's kind of tricking these people into giving examples of policy. And on the other end of his examples, he's going to say, well, that benefited the upper class or the 1% more. When that doesn't matter, it matters that there was benefit to the policy. So I'm very curious to see where he's going to go with this, because there'd be plenty of examples of him benefiting the middle class, but you have to benefit the 1% less in order for it to be an example of a good policy. I'll see he influenced to get past that benefits the low in the middle class more than it benefited the top 1%. During COVID, he tried to keep businesses open. I mean, Democrats were trying to close down all their states. Can you name a policy? That's right. They put, no, no, no. They put a lot of businesses out of business during COVID. During the past years that COVID was in existence, all the states that were liberal, Democrat-run states have controlled a lot of the process here in the state of California. It's like, oh, give me an example. In the state of California, in the state of California, giving you some shutdown to state, Ron DeSantis did not shut down his state. Yet, you have businesses here that were small, that went out of business. Yet, you have state of Florida, the majority of businesses, state and business, did not go out of business. The only businesses that went out of business that stayed in business were corporations like McDonald's, Burger King, and Walmart. Okay, sure. And what I'll do is, by the way, literally answer my question. The Democrats were benefiting. Okay, so let's try to answer this question, but I have a feeling built in this question. It sort of makes it unanswerable because he's going to argue that these policies benefits the upper class more than the middle class. You could point to the tax cuts that Donald Trump put in place, which benefited the American people. But I guess he'll say it benefited the 1% more than it benefited the middle class. But it doesn't matter if the average middle class American was bringing home $6,000 more a year in their paycheck when Donald Trump was president. Does that matter? He brought new technologies to rural parts of America and actually singled them out rural farmers, these sorts of industries, where, of course, you have middle class and low class Americans who are working these jobs. But I guess you'll argue that corporations in large part own the farm. So the 1% in the upper class benefit more from those types of policies than the middle class do. I don't know exactly what you want to do. He brought foreign jobs that we were outsourcing to other countries, places like China, back to the United States, he brought back manufacturing jobs. But I guess that benefits the 1% who run the corporations more than it benefits middle America. You see how the framing of the question actually sets you up for failure, no matter how many answers you have as to the policies that have benefited middle class America. So, I mean, we can keep going. But the fitting those businesses because they were voting in favor of them. Okay, with all due respect, you literally didn't answer my question. I asked you to name a policy that Trump influenced get past that. But you're the one that called me racist earlier. So I'm supposed to answer you. Okay, well, I mean, if you don't want to have a productive dialogue with me here, I don't see what your point and even showing up to the episode would be. Well, you productive is not calling someone racist either, right? Okay, next. Real quick, we got a $50 super chat here from Brit Cormier, who says, the way this should work is if he says, I think Trump is X, he has to defend that statement and give examples. He should not be asking them to name a policy that proves the negative. Yeah, it's that same gotcha tactic that we saw before. Yeah, he does have the burden of proof, which I guess he's coming with his examples. But, you know, we'll see if they hit moving forward, because I'm feeling, you know, from what I've seen, we have a lot more of this to go. Howdy. Hi, George. So maybe we could go about it this way. Can I give you my reasons why I'd say that he doesn't care about the American people and get your thoughts? If you don't mind, let me start. Okay. Is honestly, the question's dumb, the statement's dumb. Thank you, George. Because it's one-sided and it's an opinion on what we think he believes or he feels. So this prompt says Donald Trump doesn't care about the American people. I would like to give you my reason why. Well, I'll actually answer the other thing you mentioned. See, now that he's getting valid criticism of the claim itself, he's like, "Ah, let me give you my examples." The policy that Donald Trump pushed for that benefited low and middle income people. More than the benefit of the top one percent. His tax policy has to add that last part more than it benefited the top one percent, because he's got a way to like pigeonhole you back into saying that it didn't benefit the middle class more than the one percent, which does not matter. Policies. Also real quick, our friend, Kim Higbee, did a TikTok to Bunkymis, and in that he cites IRS data, which looks at Trump's tax cuts and shows that people with $50,000 or less income had a tax cut of 16 to 20 percent, $50,200 of income had 15 to 17 percent, $500,000 to a million had 9 percent and a million and above had less than a 6 percent tax cut. So in percentage terms, right there, it did not benefit the rich more. Fair enough. Thanks, Kim. Appreciate you. I know this for a fact because I'm middle low income. And everyone I know that's middle low income. Actually, I don't know that many. Everyone makes more money than me. No. The only people I know of that complain about Trump's tax policies are those that make a reasonably high amount of money. There is nobody I know that makes over like 200-something K that doesn't complain about his tax policy. So I don't know what you make doing this. It's probably more than I make. I kind of wish I did what you do to a degree. But if you're making more than 200, then I'm sure you can complain about it. I'm benefiting and I make less than you probably. Okay. So first of all, you said that Trump's tax policy benefited the low and middle class more than it benefited rich people. That claim is false. 83 percent of the tax cuts in the bill went to the top 1 percent, went to people making over $400,000 a year. And it cost the American taxpayer $1.9 trillion through debt-related spending. And it only is going to lead to an average annual GDP increase, a 0.02 percent. Please allow me to finish, right? So it is the case that no, that didn't benefit the low and middle class more so than the top 1 percent and only is leading to a greater income and equity. I don't benefit his benefit, baby. I believe you and I don't agree with you and I've seen no data. I've seen no data to support that. Okay. So that's coming from the tax policy foundation. That's coming from, you know, like other economic sources that we would find online to be able to distribute how much it costs. You got voted off. Who's next? Who blazes black? So is it is it all right if I give you my reasons why I'd say he doesn't care about the American people? In 10 seconds or less. She knows the game already. I love her. I love her. Okay. Well, I mean, I feel like in order to like have productive dialogue, right, we have to be able to distinguish like why I believe the things that I say. Okay. And then I'll let you know why I believe the things that I do. Okay. So the reason I'd say that Donald Trump doesn't care about the American people is because he has incessantly placed himself above the American people. One of the best examples of this was in 2020 when he denied the outcome of the election and then he attempted to stage a coup against our government and in an attempt to rig the outcome of the 2020 election by like sending fake certificates of ascertainment to Congress to be certified as real. That was the greatest internal attack on our government since the Civil War. Matter of opinion, matter of opinion. And you know, you could argue that a lot of this might have been done at the request of the American people and American people that are in support of him regardless, you know. Another example would be the border. He has consistently placed himself above the American people in that respect. He torpedoed Langford's bill in the Senate that would have specifically brought in the crisis. Okay. So we spoke about this bill full of pork, including over $100 billion in foreign aid to Ukraine and in Israel, which I don't even know how to left his feel about that because they're using this as a point of like, Oh, Trump could have fixed the border. And then he shot down the bill. That bill included tens of billions of dollars being sent to Israel, which you guys claim is committing a genocide right now. So how do you feel about the fact that he got that bill shut down? Apparently, apparently he got that bill. He was fully responsible for that bill being shot down. Two years ago, you've got three. I want to give the Democrats a win. Let's slow down another example. Wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, let's. And this is what Dean does on TikTok too. He like, do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do. Next. Next. And he and Parker are very similar in their debates style, which is why I've seen both of them on TikTok because they're constantly on TikTok live talking to Trump supporters in this very same way. Slow down because you just put out so much and let's unpack that a little bit. Let's do it. Okay. So the first thing that you. One thing I would like to say, does Donald Trump care about the American people? Donald Trump went to East Palestine. Joe Biden waited six months. Okay. Okay. Donald Trump went to the military families of the soldiers that were killed at Abbey Gate. Joe Biden forgot their names. Joe, Donald Trump went and visited the people whose families were killed by migrants that were criminals. Joe Biden won't mention their names. Donald Trump let me an average American citizen go to his house three times. Okay. And you can go on and on with these examples all day. And I'm sure you could do it for any candidate that has ever existed ever. Examples where you felt like they care, examples where you felt like they dropped the ball, which is why this poll prompt in this whole argument at its heart is not really a very fruitful one. But I digress quick. I'm going to read another $50 super chat we got from Kaylin Lee. Why? Who says watching this compared to the Charlie Kirk one and just want to say that it's so refreshing that people aren't rushing to fight over the chair and make weird faces like Altamala. Yeah. Altamala. Y'all keep commenting. I did a clip of that girl and you guys keep saying she looks just like you. It's you in another universe. I can see the resemblance. I really can't. Yeah. This is a very different the temperament of the crowd is very different. Nobody's rushing to the the table. I did notice that as well when I watched this. Did you mind responding to my reasons? Okay. Let's start with reason one. Every election in history has had challenges including Bush v. Gore. There have always been alternate electorals. I believe that January 6 helped Democrats well more than it ever did Republicans. You know why? Because it stopped the debate on the floor and I as a Republican wanted to see that debate on the floor that day. I had problem with the elections. In 2022, my son's vote didn't arrive and I was candidate. Okay. I just want to clarify. So you do affirm that Trump sent fake slates of electors to seven different states. They were not fake. There's always alternate slates of electors in every single election. That is not true. That is true. That is not true. That is true. I worked on the Ron Paul campaign. Is it possible? You were like five. Is it possible that you happened all the time? Okay. Yeah. Could you give me could you give me another example of a sitting US president, not a green with the outcome of the 2020 election? Then going to the DOJ, Trump told Bill Barr to announce widespread voter fraud when there wasn't any. They didn't investigate it. They didn't investigate it. Every single case was every single case that were dismissed on standing because they didn't have sufficient evidence. No because they and I've seen people like do videos about this like actually doing the research and fact checking the thing she's saying. So I'll be on this election fraud. It's not my it's not my forte. I didn't look awfully deeply into all the different election of fraud cases that were happening when January six ended up up ending everything. But I've seen people fact check what she's saying. And they're like, yeah, you know, what she's saying is true. So I'm not sure. And he's just saying no, you're wrong. No, you're wrong. No, you're wrong. Even though the things that she's saying she is substantiating and others have substantiated. So I'm not sure. And again, what does this have to do about care for the American people? Okay, he's got to point out too. He said, can you give me another example of a sitting US president disagreeing with the 2020 election, which I'm sure he just misspoke there. But there was only one sitting your president at the 2020 election. So that's literally impossible question to answer. Yeah, Miss Merted. Miss Merted, maybe the judges said they never saw the evidence. Okay, I'm going to go to the election. So Donald Trump, you're going to tell me what you think happened, but I'm going to tell you that you're wrong. Okay, one moment, ma'am, Donald Trump formed an election integrity committee, where he appointed his people and gave them millions of dollars. What's happening now, finish? No, I do mind because you know, if you can allow me to finish, you can't have a productive conversation. Well, we can't have a productive conversations when you have an entire 20 minutes in filibuster, the whole thing. Okay, well, if you want to talk, go ahead, but you're not allowing me the time. I mean, he's interrupted her plenty. So we're good here. You demonstrate why I believe in what I do. Okay, but you're not allowing me to say basic fact of what has happened in this instance. Every person that runs for election has the opportunity to challenge an electoral process. That is not illegal. What's happening now is you've got attorneys that were looking into the election fraud, which the Biden DOJ is now prosecuting, having their law licenses removed. We are watching communism in live action. And you know what? I want you to have a future. Can you define communism? Yeah, basically it's mob rule. It's Marxism. It's mob rule. It's false. Literally all wrong. Communism is a stateless, classless moneyless. She's talking about what communism comes in its implementation, which we can witness throughout history. So you can say that she's wrong by not giving you the actual definition of communism, but she's not wrong. Okay. Okay. Okay. Welcome in. Doing all right. Trump's administration versus Biden's objectively 2016 to 2020, and then under Biden so far up to date, objectively, the economy was better under Trump. Inflation was as high as I believe 9% under Biden. It's destroying the middle class, and then it's also putting people in more poverty. So how does that make Trump not be in support of American people? If it's breaking down the middle cast, putting people in more poverty. Yeah. So things in the grocery store are four times higher to pay for. People are having harder time to put food on the table for their families. Yeah. During the Biden administration versus Trump. So I want you to explain. Well, let's start off here. Do you think that the Biden-Harris administration caused inflation? Yeah, because under Trump's administration and the policies he induced, inflation was never that high. Okay. Then after COVID hit and Biden's administration took over everything skyrocketed past prices, groceries, so your argument here is because it happened in the country while they're a president, they caused it. So my question to you is, did Donald Trump cause the highest rate of unemployment that we've had since the Great Depression in August of 2020 at 14.8% simply because it happened under his administration? No, simply because people couldn't leave their home, which was causing people to- And now we're introducing external variables. So in the same way COVID caused, right, that high rate of unemployment that we had under Trump's term, COVID also caused the global inflation that we saw on set at the beginning of the Biden-Harris administration. This didn't happen locally in the US. Taylor, say your piece. I see you. Okay. Well, you know how you love to name legislation. He really likes the American Rescue Plan and the Inflation Reduction Act passed under Biden. Those two together injected $3 trillion, or amounts to $3 trillion of spending by the US economy. How do you cause inflation? You spend money that you don't have, you increase money supply. He also increased energy regulations from day one, which is what causes the price of everything to go up when you make energy more expensive. Grocery's get more expensive because it's required in their production, their transport, everything else. So he's also drained our strategic oral reserves in part to artificially lower the price of petroleum leading into elections. But that's neither here nor there. His policies also are all about like increasing welfare, putting price caps on different things, which are all just different ways of manipulating the economy in ways that sound good, but actually end up making things more expensive. So until you can account for $3 trillion of spending and how that doesn't cause inflation, like I'm not sure I'm going to buy that it was all just COVID. And I'll just let Taylor eat on that one. This inflation happened all around the globe, but a fun fact here, the Biden-Harris administration actually ushered in the quickest response from the inflation onset by the pandemic out of any other country in the G7. I had another point went for that. That's why I caused inflation the least. Spent monies. And you say like different things can be interpreted as caring or not caring. Like Dean could say that Biden is the only president ever who's working on student loans. And then I could say, well, he doesn't care about us because you want me paying for someone else's student loans the way he could flip it. Oh, he shut down all these pipelines from a conservative perspective. You're like, okay, you're outsourcing our our energy. You're creating more problems here in the US. Oh, but he's environmentally friendly from a Democrat's perspective. So it's just very tough. What I what I've noticed because I work in retail for some seasons, and I've seen a huge bloodshed of Colombians coming in. Okay, we just got to be really realistic here about the economy. So yes, I think that kind of, you know, blaming causation and kind of correlating that to the current president. It's a little bit of a slippery slope. However, I think that when you look at the border and the way that everything has been coming in with migration, of course, that the economy became better. Why? Because a lot of Colombians came in, right? And they started working and they started inputting more taxes. All these fake socials that they get, they start contributing to the tax money, they pay more taxes every year. And the government basically hides this by grabbing an app. And they basically use that as an ankle bracelet replacement so that people don't find out. Instead of putting an ankle bracelet on people's ankles, they hide the fact that they're allowing all these illegal immigrants come in. So the economy has become such a success per your statement that it's been a success in the last four years, because all these immigrants have been contributing to the tax dollars that the government has been wanting. And so hence, Medi-Cal. So you'd agree that immigration is good for the economy? He's trying to create a gotcha moment there in him saying that immigration is good for the economy. Yeah, if you have a ton of people moving into your country who are now consumers and who are also working and contributing, if they're working and contributing, that's going to stimulate the economy. There are a lot of things that would stimulate the economy. If we make Coke legal tomorrow, I'm sure that would stimulate the US economy, but we're weighing out the risk versus benefit on that one still to this very day, the very same with immigration. So it's not a gotcha moment that immigration can stimulate the US economy. The immigration issue is being, they're being paid less money than the average salary. So I don't understand how that's good for the American people. I think that if you can properly execute someone immigrating into this country legally and doing it rightfully and everything, like yes, you can manage the amount of the way the economy is working. Yeah, I'm definitely a little bit confused on what you just shared with me. But we have a problem and that is I'm documented migration, correct? Yes. This is another reason why I say Donald Trump doesn't care about the American people because Donald Trump doesn't be cared about if I finish. Go ahead. Because Donald Trump doesn't care about the southern border. I have a question for you. Okay. If your house was burning down and a fire truck showed up to put the fire out and you told them to turn around because you wanted the insurance money from letting it burn, did you care about your house? Of course. No. So the idea would be if you let the house burn down to get the insurance money, you wouldn't care about it. That's the idea would be that you don't care about the house. But even with that example, you could let a house burn down that you care about because you care about the insurance money more. It doesn't disqualify you for having care for your house with this example, which is why this whole claim doesn't make sense. But either way, I get where he's going on the immigration point about your house. Would you agree with that? Yes. Okay. Right. So when we have a crisis at the southern border, and we have the fire truck, or in this case, right, an amazing border bill that would have ended the crisis years ago, amazing, tremendous, the best border bill we've ever written. And I shot it down post a Congress by Langford, a Republican endorse, sorry, a Trump endorsed Republican, and then Donald Trump turns around and calls up the Republicans in the house in the Senate and tells them to vote against the bill because he doesn't want to give the Democrats a win. And he wants the ability to be able to campaign on the crisis at the southern border. Now does Donald Trump care about the southern border? Just not what happened. And we spoke about this at length on the show, okay, that this bill was not needed to fix the problem that was happening at the border. The Biden came in and his administration came in and reversed all the work that Donald Trump was doing at the border, allowing all these people to come into our country to invade our country, which they could very well fix without the hoops of jumping through passing this bill. And again, the bill was packed full of pork and other stuff that had nothing to do with the border. And the bill had certain stipulations where certain things would only go into action if there was over 4,000 crossings at the border a day. So there was so much in this bill that doesn't make it perfect and wonderful and amazing and tremendous. So whether or not Donald Trump says don't pass this bill really has nothing to do with solving the crisis at our southern border. And if the house was on fire during Trump's administration, then Biden poured gasoline on the fire. Now the whole damn neighborhoods on fire, who actually spread the fire to the entire country, who turned away the fire trucks in the form of border patrol, it formed a wall for years, while millions of people poured into the country. If we're using this fire analogy, we have to think about who started the fire, who caused it to go from something akin to maybe a bonfire that was out of control and needed to be tamped down to pouring gasoline on the fire and setting American neighborhoods around the entire country on fire. So, you know, to the amount of gaslighting that it takes to try to pin this on Trump when he was doing everything in his power to try to tamped down on illegal immigration. And then Biden comes in, reverses all those policies, creates incentives for 10 million people to come pouring into the country. And now blaming Trump for that, it's incredible. Yeah, dude, Biden started the fire. It was always burning. Right. So basically what you're doing is you're trying to attack and kind of deflate the right, right? But at the end of the day, we got to realize that no, no side is potentially perfect, because clearly the Democrats are going to see that the right are horrible and the right's going to see that the Democrats are also. But do you mind answering the question there? Because I did make an important point there that I don't think should go unnoticed, right? In the same way in the hypothetical, if you let your house burn down and told the fire truck to turn away, you don't care about the house. And if Donald Trump lets the crisis at the southern border continue and tells like the Republicans in the House and the Senate to turn the border bill around in 2022, he doesn't care about the southern border. Look, the border's always going to have a crisis. There's human trafficking constantly. If you look at the narcotics, if you look at all these drug dealers that are coming in, right? Next. Thank you. Next. Hi, thanks for coming up, man. What's your name? Jordan, nice to meet you. Dean, we have three minutes and 42 seconds left on the clock here. I would like to bring up a huge reason why I'd say that he doesn't care about the American people. Is that all right? Yeah. Cool. It's because how much he lies. Donald Trump is an incessant, like unapologetic liar. He lied to the American public over 30,000 times while he was president. He told the biggest lie that any setting president has ever told with the denial of the 2020 election. That's up for debate. Also, have you met any politician ever before? The amount of times these people lie. Plus, we all got to witness the first hand with this little ABC debate between Kamala and Donald Trump, where he got fact-checked a handful of times. And Kamala got zero fact-checks and lied tremendously to lean on some of Donald Trump's rhetoric all throughout the debate. So not only do you have a liar as a candidate, but a liar who's not held accountable in any way, shape, or form because the systems are all working in her favor. And what is the Achilles tendon to a democracy? An uninformed voter base. Trump has misled his voter base, has made them misinformed, has made them engage in fringe conspiratorial hearsay by his incessant lies. Can you give me any reasons why you think Joe Biden cares about American people more than Trump? Okay, I mean, yeah, sure. First of all, Kamala Harris is running for president right now. Joe Biden. Joe Biden, sure. Yeah, because Joe Biden- It's the Democratic. Of course, of course, because Joe Biden passed four pieces of monumental legislation that benefited the low in the middle class, more than it benefited the top 1%. We could talk about the PACT Act and investing $800 million into the expansion of via health care benefits. We could talk about the Chips in Science Act, bringing 20% of the global chip reduction back to here at Home in America by 2030. We could talk about the infrastructure bill, investing $1 trillion into local communities across the U.S., spurring their economies and creating new construction jobs. Or we could talk about the Inflation Reduction Act, investing millions of dollars into renewable energy resources to reduce inflation in the long term by addressing supply chain issues now in the long term. Those are four big policies that I would say demonstrate Biden's care for the American people. Okay. Four years ago, under Trump, did you see benefits going towards immigrants and wars more than American people? Did we see? No, and we don't see that now. Oh, we don't see it now? No. You don't see that? Snap benefits, EBT, you have the people in Springfield, Ohio, which everybody wants to joke about and key it up about with the dogs and cats and everything, who say they're going to their welfare offices to get government assistance and they're standing behind lines of patients, people getting free cell phones, access to health care, they're burdening our health care system, they're getting free flights, bus tickets, wherever it is that they want to go in this nation while we have our American citizens suffering greatly. And it's not to say that Biden has done nothing for American citizens. He talked about the pack that, which really, I guess it seems to have had a very beneficial impact on veterans and their access to health care. And that's something that we can talk about and we can talk about candidates who may be broadly, we disagree with who have done good things. And that's okay. But to disqualify Donald Trump and say that he doesn't care about the American people, just astounding to me when we are witnessing actions that speak to the lack of care for American people. And then you have, he says he doesn't want to lean on Biden examples. Let's talk about Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris, we showed a clip on this very show that you guys can go check out where she's talking about granting temporary protective status to over 100,000 Haitian migrants and saying that they need to be protected and supported. They need to be protected and supported over US citizens. Please make that make sense. I'm moving from Chicago and four years under Trump, I wasn't seeing immigrants sleeping outside of police stations gathered in gangs and doing drugs outside police stations, living in high-rise hotels, getting benefit. Oh, if you're just, there's, there's more money coming into our country now than there was in Germany. That's true. But earlier, didn't you say it was the same? Not only are there more people, they're getting more benefits. I mean, on top of that, he's talking about the hotels. They're getting free hotel rooms. And then you actually have videos of these people complaining about the conditions of their hotel rooms that they're getting for free. They're kicking American kids out of schools to create shelters for illegal immigrants, actively taking away resources, schooling, education from American people so that people who have entered this country illegally can have access to their resources. Make that make sense. Now that speaks to care, I think. Taylor, you want to pop up and say something? I was going to say, I just thought today on on X that hotel rooms are more expensive than they've ever been right now in New York City because there's so much occupancy being done on the part of illegal migrants. There you go. Okay. Oh, no, I said it's the same right now. So after Biden's executive order on the border, we have the same amount of daily crossings today across our southern border as we had at the end of Trumpster. At the end of Trump, it was more. I'm so glad that Biden is doing something about the border now at the very end of his term. That's wonderful. I'm loved to see movement after after the millions of people have already entered our country and are residing here. I was the same or more at the end of Trumpster. You literally just said we have more immigrants coming in now. Okay. So over the four year presidency of Biden and Harris, there has been more migration across the southern border because of the revocal of Title 42 causing a surge of entries into our country after Biden's second. That was not going on during Trump. Am I right? Yeah, right. So we had lower crossings under Trump, but I don't think we could say because there's lower crossings under Trump than under Biden and Harris that Biden and Harris caused that. Let me ask you a question or more for a more so make a statement. I'd look at the southern border like a river and I'd look at Title 42, what was enacted at the end of Trump's term because of COVID like a dam. As soon as that dam is lifted from the river, the water gushes through, just like when Title 42 was reversed and all these people that had been turned away for the last two years. Right. And then, you know, that they're not responsible for the hotel rooms and the plane tickets and the bus rides or the sanctuary cities or anything like that. They're not responsible for all the added resources that are now being utilized for illegal immigrants rather than American citizens. They have no, no part of that. Got it. I think are coming to our country because of economic disparities on set by COVID in their own rushed into our country. Okay. I just had to very quickly. The one thing that I look at that shows how he cares for the American people is that he's a multi billionaire that chose to run for president and he's one of the only presidents that's net worth has actually gone down. If he didn't care for the American people, why would he even go out of his way, lose his worth to run for president? Great question. And here's what I'd say. I'd say that Donald Trump has billions of dollars literally speaking. He doesn't care about money. He wants something else. He wants power, right? And being able to force himself into the highest position of ranking power in the world is a big deal. And that's what he wants. He doesn't really care about the American and then he can return back and I say, I think it's a selfless act because he had all this money and with money comes power and he decided to give a lot of that up in order to become president. You see, this is just how we feel about things. This is not like you can make a moral judgment or an opinion statement about anything and interpret it in so many different ways. There are people or else he would have enacted legislation for the low and middle class or else he would have not over or tried to over. Okay. Before we go. Sorry. I'm going to skip the ad. My next claim is Kamala Harris would be a much better president than Donald Trump. Okay. Other value judgment? Yes. I don't believe it's I think it's going to follow the same structure like from what I've seen. This follows the same structure all throughout. He gives a value judgment. Then he has his already pre-made examples that he knows he can defend and then he throws it back to you. The Kamala Harris would be a better president than President Trump. And the reason why I believe that is because Kamala Harris has had many chances when she was the district attorney in San Francisco, she convicted more people of minor crimes than any other DA of San Francisco. And I know this too because I lived in San Francisco for a period of time. And I understand the criminal justice system to a certain extent. So Kamala Harris, if you have her as president, she's going to go after people for minor offenses. She's going to try to convict people for even marijuana, for an example. I mean, come on. Most people in this country have already been passed this whole issue with cannabis and everything. And I think that's something and now that should be overlooked and it should be something that should be legalized on a federal level as well. But I do believe that Kamala Harris, if she convicted people of small petty stuff like people having minor amount of marijuana and had the highest conviction rate in San Francisco, how can you have someone like that as president? And she also was also married into the Getty family. John Paul Getty is, it does as an elite family in the state of California. So how is it that you're going to say, Oh, Kamala Harris is better than President Trump. Of course, first, let's respond to a couple of your claims there. How many people did she convict? Not a clue. 45. And what did she do? And this has already been debunked. They didn't fact check him in this video, but it was fact checked. I think in a previous Jubilee video where the number is actually like 19 over 1900? I think it was 1,958 or something like that of a felony and misdemeanor convictions for marijuana. So 45 is not true. And 24 45. You're saying she convicted only 45 people a possession of marijuana? Yes. And what did you do? That's not true. That's 1956. There you go. That is not true that she convicted only 45 people of marijuana. If she was a district attorney and she had other DAs in the district attorney's office, do you mind if I finished off prosecuting those small crimes? Yes, sir. She had more than 45 convictions in that office alone. So yeah, she only had over. You had a lot of time to talk. I mean, you had the whole time. I really don't have a lot of time here. But so what I'm saying is I just want to be able to finish this without without 45 convictions, but you're not giving me facts. Yes. So yeah, so while she was on Tuesday, it is a. Bye little more. Welcome in. Hi. Hi. So do you mind if I give you my reasons why I think that Harris would be a bad person? If you want. Cool. Yeah. So there's two main categorical reasons why say Harris would be better than Trump. The first category is character. The second category is policy. Let's start off with character. First of all, Trump is a sexual abuser. Trump is a felon. Trump is a fraudster. Trump is an election liar. He's a dictator on day one. Want to be fascist. Okay. Kamala Harris is none of those. Kamala Harris wants to protect and preserve democracy. She wants to fight for the freedoms of all Americans, especially the 170 million American women and girls, especially we could reference policy next. If you want to respond to character, go for it. If you want me to hop straight into policy, we just have different opinions on this. Like some people are not going to greet that no fight for abortion and reproductive rights, as we call them, is something that is adding value to the world or speaks to your character. And you can go back and forth over this all day long with these two candidates. At the end of the day, people are making judgments as to who they think is going to benefit them most and for these people, it's Donald Trump. But we'll hear more about Kamala Harris's character. Of course, I don't agree with the statement about Kamala Harris's character. We can look through her career and how she got her career. And that is a character and judgments on my part with my own personal opinion as to how she got where she is right now. She is a DEI candidate, in my opinion, which speaks to her character. The fact that she's ushering forward diversity equity inclusion, I think speaks to her character. The fact that she is an equitable candidate, and that's how she views herself, self-proclaimed search for equity speaks to her moral character for me. She supported the BLM riots that were happening in 2020 and said that not only are they going to continue, but they should continue billions of dollars in damages, American lives lost, people destroying facilities. You could call that an insurrection if we want to throw that word around and call January 6 that. So that speaks to her moral character. But Dean's not going to view my judgments of her moral character the same. He has a different opinion. So we can continue to go back and forth all day. And real quick, just on the dictator on day one point that Dean made about Trump, where's that energy with Kamala, who in 2019 at the Democratic primary was criticized by none other than Joe Biden or wanting to unconstitutionally sign an executive order to ban assault weapons. She's also said she wants to ban fracking unilaterally in a way that's unconstitutional. And her response was, Joe, don't they don't say no, we can't say yes, we can. She did her awkward cackle there. So if we're talking about dictatorial inclinations, we might want to consider unilateral executive action that would be unconstitutional. And her not caring about the fact that it's unconstitutional as something that might be relevant in that discussion. Yep. I could do that too. Well, you know, starting with character, I technically do not think she's a good person. Speaking of which, you know, if we're bringing up stuff from the past, we can say she slept with Willie Brown, broke up a family just to get her job. And while she was there, she didn't more to sleep with that man. And that man, I think is what he's like 31 years her senior or something like that, something crazy. He's crazy old on her and she was in his twenties messing around with Willie Brown. There's a lot of people to talk about that. But we'll hear what he has to say. She used a firm that was putting people in jail that had false positives on drug tests. And she knew they had false positives. She admitted to that. And she was still putting mainly black and brown people in jail, considering I'm both. That is very much a big issue for me. And also that women, a woman shouldn't represent they should just sleep to the top for their job. They should actually work hard for it. I generally don't think that she's a good representative. There's plenty of other women out there. Yeah, I have a question. How many votes did she get in a run for AG? Do you know? Those are very valid criticisms of her character, by the way, the falsified drug test. There's other examples of people that she kept in jail knowing that there was evidence to the contrary of their conviction. And she for her own personal reasons, her own career based reasons wanted to keep them in jail because when she was put in as the San Francisco DA, she needed to be tougher on crime. There was this whole like soft on crime rumor. So Kamala was going to come in and really bring down the hammer and in bringing down the hammer, she put people who did not deserve to be in jail and in prison, in jail and in prison. So that speaks to their moral character. I have a feeling Dean is not going to move in the direction of talking about the statements that she just made about that. And we're going to go somewhere else. And I have a feeling, because I've seen this, I know where he goes. How many votes did she get in a run? We're talking about character, though. Of course, we'll talk about it. That's character in morals. And then for mentioning character in morals here, she's clearly not a good person. And just like she, you have mentioned all that stuff about Trump, which could be true. I'm referencing her claim that she's a family. I'm referencing your claim that she slept to the top. How many votes did she get when she was running for AG and DA in the state of California? That has nothing to do with the five. It does. She got 4.5 million votes in total. 80 million for her run for AG or DA. I don't remember which one. And 4.4 million for the other one. I have a question. You're saying that she slept her way to the top. How many of those 4.5 million people that voted for her, did she have to sleep with? Does Humbly not understand the concept of sleeping your way to the top? Do you understand you can put yourself in a room with somebody, engage in a romantic relationship with that person with ulterior motives of wanting to put yourself in a better position in the eyes of the American public? And in her case, the California public, and in doing so, you move your way up the ladder through the influence that you have over others. And still, people who are sleeping their way to the top or engaging in like nefarious networking can gain the vote and support of people and their constituents. It has nothing to do with that. But we'll go on to hear more because this is the clip that's really, really going viral. Well, you know, obviously we're in California and this is pretty corrupt. But to say that she needed the votes of most, most people that matter, which is the person she slept with could actually overturn and hide these votes just like they did with the election. But listen, the idea, the idea that women have to sleep with men to get into position. And that's exactly what she did with misogynistic life. She's saying that one of my finished talking real quick. She didn't say women have to do that. She said that's what Kamala Harris did. And she didn't say that all women have to do that or that she believes that's how women gain power. She said that's why I believe this woman did that. You have to open our legs to get jobs. That's exactly how she used it. Do you mind if I just finished talking real quick? Also, I would like to finish out this conversation. There's a lot of red flags up though. So saying that women have to sleep with men to get into positions of power is a misogynistic lie. What you are doing. She just did that. One moment. That's what she represents. What you are doing is you're taking Kamala Harris, you were taking her character, you were taking her proposed policy, you were taking her intelligence and you're taking her wisdom and you're throwing it out of the window. Because when you say that the only reason she was in her position of power today is because she slept with a man that had been legally divorced for three years as a ride. I'm sure she loved Willie Brown. I'm sure she loved that 31 years older man who happened to be in a real powerful position. I'm sure she left him down. I don't know. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Let's give room for that argument. But the amount of like cartwheels and backlifts we're doing for Kamala Harris, when nobody liked this woman to begin with, it's just so crazy to me. And if you go through, there's actually a video of Judge Joe Brown. You might recognize because he was like a very, very famous. He was on television, but he also has his history in law. And he's talking about Kamala Harris and having known her been in rooms with her and talking about the fact that he believes that she slept her way to the top with Willie Brown, with Montre Williams, like all these different men that she found herself a part of. But not just him because we can't just lean on the anecdotal stories of Judge Joe Brown. The LA Times used to write extensively about Kamala Harris. And you can actually go into the LA Times archives. They've archived a lot of these articles that they wrote about her, where they detail all of her movements moving around and moving her way up the ladder specifically with Willie Brown. And when she was with Willie Brown, Willie Brown gave her a job. And forgive me, I don't know the exact job title that she got. The LA Times has written about this. You guys can go and look it up. The people working around Kamala Harris would say she would not show up to the office. She was lazy. She wasn't doing any work, but yet was taking home a pretty substantial salary. Why? Because Willie Brown was the person who got her the job. Now, this could just be a one office story. You know, you have some disgruntled employees who are talking shit about Kamala Harris because they know she's sleeping with a boss and maybe they don't stand by those actual opinions. They're making stuff up. Except when Kamala Harris became VP, so many of her aides and the people working with her also decided to leave their jobs because they said this woman is lazy. She's not showing up to work. And when she does, she expects everything to be done for her. We're just meant to hand her talking points and she's just meant to go out and do her business. So it's very interesting that multiple people and people who are aides working with her, which means they support the Democratic Party. They support the cause. They support by the Biden administration are saying, yo, this woman's lazy. I cannot work with her. And I'm I quit. I'm not doing this. And she had a record rates of people leaving and not wanting to work with her. So it's very interesting that the story tracks from the moment she enters any sort of influence all the way to now in her being the Democratic nominee for president. She's also relying on the fact that she got votes in California running as a Democrat, as evidence that she was she did not sleep her way to the top. But the question is, how do you get in a position where you are a nominee, where you are leading candidate in California politics? You have to be well connected. You have to have prior political experience. You have to have held other positions. And where does she get those positions? It all goes back to her relationship with Willie Brown. Also, when he says like you're throwing out her qualifications and her competence and her character and all of that, who's really doing that? If you are subjecting yourself to sleeping away to the top, it's actually you that it's that is throwing out your own competence and not putting your confidence in that for your own promotion. You're instead degrading yourself and moving your way to the top in that manner. Oh, and oh, let's continue. Million votes to get into AG and DA and something with zero of them. The question I have for you. Oh, you don't know that though. Do you know that? No. Okay. You think that she's something with 4.5 million people to get in position. I'm sure she could have. But the one way. Are you serious? What's the most important person you just said? She had to sleep with 4.5 million. Oh, he's leaning on a joke that she clearly just said if I'm sure she could have, as in that's how much of a slut she is, I'm sure she could have, right? And then he's leaning on and saying, did you just say she slept with 4.5 million people because we get the internet clip if we respond in that way, even though we know that it's not what she just said. I didn't say that. I said that she slept with one of the most relevant people to get her job. What is it? Really Brown. And how do we do with Willie Brown get her the 4.5 million votes in a run for AG and DA? Because he was in the same position she needed to get. But we have, we have civil electoral processes. We are a constitutional republic with democratic processes. Yes, I do. And you're saying that she somehow circumfinity civil electoral processes? I don't hate women, guys. Just letting it out. Okay, who's next? Welcome down. I would really like to see if we could have a productive conversation about this point. Well, I just want to start off by saying that you seem to attack Trump for his character. But then when like Kamala is attacked for her character, it like doesn't matter. So why do you think that Kamala Harris is a bad person? For reasons that have been stated. Can you repeat them? She's slept with people to get up to her to her rankings. She hasn't really done all too much as vice president in my opinion. I would like to say that is false. She's passed more tie-breaking votes in the Senate than any VP in American history. She's also helped the Biden Harris administration influence some of the most monumental legislation in modern U.S. history. I'm going to name four pieces of legislation that the Biden Harris administration influenced to get passed that benefits the low that benefited the low in the middle class more than rich people. And I want to see if you could do the same for Donald Trump while he was president. They and they they sorry they influenced the pack. He's going to say the same thing over that he's already said before and he's using the same sort of language of it has to benefit the one percent less than the middle class for some reason which makes no sense but here we go. Some science act, the American rescue plan, the infrastructure bill and the inflation reduction act. If you'd like I could explain to you how there's benefited the low in middle class more so than top one percent but now I'll just simply ask you that same question. Can you name one bill that Trump influenced to get passed that benefited the low in middle class more so than rich people? I really can't. So then how could you say that Kamala Harris hasn't done anything when you know so little about what Trump did well. Because comparatively to what Trump has done in the past she really hasn't done that much. I just told you four pieces of monumental legislation that she did influence to get passed that were beneficial. Beneficial but not quite to what Trump did. Well you can't even tell me what Trump did I ask you. I know you can just tell. And it's as if like the American electorate doesn't know when America feels better for them and sometimes you don't have to as voters you know a lot of people don't know every single policy that's being passed the government on any given day but they know when the economy feels better they know when they're doing better work they know when they're taking more money home they know that when they're going to the gas pump that they are paying less for the resources that they're taking out and you can vote based on how different administrations make you feel and that's okay. When I show up to a political debate with that sort of information maybe not but we're constantly making judgments like that and if you say America felt better underneath the in a Trump administration that's okay. From when he was president that it was just it was way better and Cuomo has been hiding and probably puppeteering the Biden like you can't deny that. Do you see how that's just a conspiracy theory? I know it's a conspiracy but it's the evidence is kind of there. Okay so what's the evidence for this idea that Biden hasn't done anything for America? Okay voted next not a fruitful discussion that one. Sorry okay. That's smooth you just kind of slid into this idea. Thank you thank you. I think a lot of what we're hearing from you right now is just what I call book smart like you probably are more knowledgeable than a lot of this a lot of us on these policies and all that that's not necessarily applicable to real life living. If we look at one of my opinion one of the most important roles as a president is to keep our country safe Kamala Harris she's the borders are and she has completely failed at that. She's led in millions and millions of legal immigrants and you've been asking us a lot of pointers I want to ask you do you know what the average amount of fentanyl per pound that has come through during Biden's administration versus the Trump administration? No I'd assume that it's much higher under the Biden administration. It is. Do you know what amount of drugs processed across the southern border are processed by US citizens? But I'm talking about illegals right now. So I asked you exactly. We're talking about what's preventable. Good question. So during Trump's administration there was on average about 2,500 pounds of fentanyl that came across the border. Okay. In my opinion that's 2,500 pounds too much. Yeah. During the Biden and Harris administration is exceeding 14,000 pounds per year. Where do you think that's going? That's going to our youth that's going to high schoolers college students that's going to adults. These innocent people are dying because of what is happening and if you look at her what I think it was just this past month they just admitted that they have lost over 300,000 illegal children. Where do you think these children are going? They're trafficked and I'm extremely passionate about human trafficking. I think it's one of the most important focuses that we need to have right now and in my opinion again and in my experience within human trafficking the conservatives are the ones pushing this. Kamala's ignoring it. Kamala's not the one going to visit the border. She went and visited the border. She went to the only part of the border that is safe that they're not coming through and she said we don't have a problem here. Nobody's coming through. That's BS. She's lying and you say Trump's lie. I hate all kinds of lies. But when you can say Trump's an avid liar you got to look at how Kamala's lying. During her speech at the DNC last week she was saying that those individuals at January 6 were armed individuals with an intention of shooting people in the Capitol. That is not true. So I can admit where Trump has lied in the past everybody lies. That's not good but you also need to have the balls to admit where Kamala has lied. We're buying a slide with their administration. There you go and then we're all making our judgments based off the different information that we take in. Trump is not infallible. He is not a perfect human being. A lot of people don't even view him as a wonderful person or all these different things. The same can be said for Kamala Harris. But we're making these judgments based on our lives. Based on how these people have directly or indirectly impacted our lives and then casting our votes. My vote is being cast in the direction of Donald Trump. That's okay. Okay. Genes lied. Yeah. So first of all I think that it is important to hold all politicians everybody in a position how accountable. I'm not going to sit here and say that Biden has never lied a day in his life. I'm not going to sit here and say that Harris has never lied a day in his life. I can't confirm that Harris said that at the DNC or said that at the southern border. It was filmed. If she did say those things yes those would be lies. Now you want to talk about this? Wouldn't that be a question of her character then? Yeah of course but what I'm voting for here isn't going to be the candidate that doesn't lie at all. It's going to be the candidate that would lie less within this respect and no one lies more than Donald Trump. So I need to believe that. No one lies more than Donald Trump. Very big statement. Very big statement and I'm sure if we really tallied up Kamala has plenty of lies under the belt but okay he's granting that she does lie but he's just making a value judgment and saying that you know Kamala is better which is the same thing that Trump supporters are doing. Can I believe that character affects somebody's I guess impact as a leader? Yeah sure because I think when we're voting for someone when we have a leader right this isn't just someone who's going to try to impact our lives in good ways through policy but it's also someone that we'd want to be ourselves. We are championing or sorry we are championing these two people Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. We want to see virtues reflected in them that we would also like reflected in us and when we're platforming Donald Trump who's been held civilly liable for sexual abuse has sexualized a fifth grader on CBS with the whole sexual abuse thing that he keeps bringing up just look up Jeannie Carroll and listen to the woman and her account of what happened to her with Donald Trump and see how much of a credible individual you think she is and really listen to what she has to say everything. Watch every single video of Jeannie Carroll that you can find on the internet and there should be no no hiding from anything. There's not a video of her that I don't want you to see and then you judge how credible you think she is. It's 1992 as she done three of his wife's one with a porn star and was convicted of 34 felonies and tried to stage a coup to overthrow our government we don't see those good virtues reflected you. Okay so on the January six point you know Donald Trump said go and use your voice peacefully and patriotically I believe it's the exact quote of what he said to those people so I'm not sure how that is a coup against the US government he's also brought up cheating on his wife if we disqualified the men and women who cheated on their spouses from being president I don't know who would be up there anymore is he saying that he doesn't like I don't know Clinton who slept with Monica Lewinsky is he saying that he has a problem with JFK who was known to be an adulterer and womanizer but also was ushering forward the civil rights movement also part of the Democratic Party people love JFK is he somehow not a good person or not worthy of being president for what he did to Jackie make it make sense because it doesn't you said you wanted to talk about the border do you mind if I ask you a question about that go for it phenomenal so Biden and Harris they tempted to influence bipartisan border legislation in 2023 it was lankford's bill who was a republican that was also trump endorsed this was a good border act it would have phenomenally reduced the impact of the crisis it would have reduced crossings it would have made the asylum seeking processes quicker it was a good bill but what happened was trump called the republicans in the senate and told them to vote against it how can you say that donald trump cares about the southern border when he told republicans in congress to vote against this bill so the crisis would continue and he could campaign on that today to convince people like you to vote for him real quick everybody so during trump's administration in exchange for 25 million dollars to build a border wall that would protect our country he had an act that he wanted to pass that would allow illegal immigrant children that have graduated throughout high school to be accepted through citizenship my answering my question no because you're just asking education policy questions this isn't impacting america so wait a minute how else do how let's do presidents impact america on policy and executive you'll see you'll notice that dean will never deviate from the examples that he's already brought with him and i cannot stress enough the amount of time he's had to go over his claims and go over the examples as he should he's going to be a debater going up against 20 people but he's always going to lean back on the things that he's already prepared rather than contending with the things that the people are bringing to him and i'm sure charlie kirk had ample time to prepare his claims and make sure he's as well defended as possible that i just want to speak to the environment that this person is in the past this this law that would give these graduating illegal immigrants citizenship guess who shut it down the biden and heris administration how they vote they voted against it the biden there is a ministry yes on to the next next next next next next oh blue blazer i like to see her howdy welcome back well okay so you keep bringing up the border and you keep bringing up the senate bill lankford's bill absolutely the senate bill never passed you want to know why what did pass was hr two which again has been sitting on schumer's desk which actually closed the border talking to brandon jud president border patrol what i can tell you is the senate bill was better than what it is now with 14 000 people coming through the border every day and 300 000 migrant children missing feared sold into sex slavery now hr two did close the border and that is the one that actually passed the house that schumer has ignored so i'm really sick of hearing oh trump stopped the senate bill the senate bill didn't pass do you know why because it was a bad bill it codified the invasion okay so first of all no it was not a bad bill and second of all the reason it didn't pass is because trump called the republic in the congress and told them not to pass it right we see one thing but do you mind do you mind do you mind if i do you mind if i do you want to finish without interruption congress does not vote on senate bills uh yes we would see that senate like if a bill is made in the senate it go to the house back to the senate exactly and it never made it out of the senate so therefore it's it's new to the house it went to the house right and no it never made it out of the senate i i talked to senator mike lee about that it never got out of the senate because it was a bad bill however eight months i finished here though i just want to hr two did get out of hr two to get out of the house and with all due respect with all due respect you don't want to hear about hr two i would i love that she's meeting him with the same energy because he's able to like steamroll a lot of other people but she's like you're not steam rowing me i'm going to say what i need to say and you're gonna hear and you're gonna actually contend with it please secure the i wish i would love to i would love to hear about hr two however i would also like to finish what i was saying about well everybody's heard for the last 19 minutes what you had to say okay about this okay i got a minute um as far as kamala Harris being better than trump she's destroyed the border she's been absent nobody knows where he she is six months ago even the media was saying she was the worst worst vice president in history as far as she destroyed the border she hasn't done anything about it they have walked away she hasn't gone there she hasn't talked to border patrol she hasn't met with board okay all i'm confused because the last person that came up said that she had gone there now and in his example said that she went to the lowest crossing area of the border to essentially say that there was no problem so even if we lean on his example and say she has been to the border she went so in an ineffective manner in order to support her own agenda rather than support border patrol or support the american people who are living here in the united states at the border dealing with the problems of people crossing so with whichever example you go with you're not winning that one oh you're saying that she had an hour from san Antonio after she met with Lester Holt and Lester Holt said you haven't been to the border she goes haven't been to europe either so that was in september so you know and that's you can go and see her say that that's who we're talking about so that was exactly like 2021 she went to lie 21 so come on aris so come on aris here no the biden administration has passed an executive order on the border because it's an election here today because it's an election here and no it's not just because it's an election if they do whatever it was link birds a link for its bill through this and it was a bad bill called them and told them it never left the senate if you were starving never left the senate if you were no you once said so if you were seconds we're not good we're not gonna get i just i feel like i can't get anywhere with you i feel like i can't get any review because you so how do we find middle ground we do that by allowing other to speak without interruption i'm willing to do that for you are you willing he's not willing to do that for her and has an exercise that one moment in this entire video do that for me super fun if she's badass i love her my next claim is conservatives don't actually care about family values again how do i argue whether or not somebody actually cares about something this is what what which claim are we all now is this like three or four uh and another value judgments that how are you supposed to argue back and forth as to whether or not somebody cares about something somebody's gonna come and say i'm a conservative and i do care about family values and you're gonna say actually i don't think you do uh yeah so i don't agree with that at all whatsoever as conservatives main core issue is caring about family keeping the family unit together you want to ask you a question yeah of course go ahead so then why do you turn around and champion donald trump who's cheated on three of his wife's one with a porn star and as ongoing civil why do we champion jfk who's cheated on jackie kennedy with more women than i can count on my two hands and my two feet so what are we talking about is it maybe that people's impact on society goes far beyond how they treat their spouse and maybe we shouldn't judge presidents based off of that of course i can say that's not a good thing to do it's not something i would do it's not something i would want my husband to do to me but what does that have to do with him being president of the united states and what he gets done as president of the united states and if it does matter and you care about presidents who cheat on their wives we're gonna have to go back and reevaluate bill clinton we're gonna go back and reevaluate jfk and we're gonna have to go back and reevaluate a ton of other presidents throughout history but i imagine have a little sally on the side while they were you know sitting in their administration litigation against them in which is determined that he was guilty of sexual abuse and that's something that's very personal and you have to have been there in order to know what exactly goes on marriages are very tough there's something that's something that's very difficult and again it's we don't know what happened you know yeah he has filled marriages but many people have filled marriages okay do you mind if i ask you another question yeah go ahead yeah so you said that you really care about the family unit yeah of course yeah i don't see how like any conservative or trump supporter could say that they care about the family unit uh because of how hard you'll fight for pro-life legislation so uh voting for pro-life legislation without good reason what this leads to is the destruction of the family unit you're shifting the american focus away from financially well-off adults that consent to start a family that desired advocates to forcing 18, 19, 20-year-old boys and girls into starting a family because this state isn't allowing the woman the access to healthcare that she deserves it leads to higher rates of poverty leads to lower rates of employment lower rates of education and lower qualities of life all things considered another point would be right uh conservative stance on being anti anti-ivf right i think that IVF serves as a savior uh for like what for a family not all conservatives are anti-ivf uh and even pro-life conservatives you can say we are uh saving the the innocent lives of children who would have their lives lost so that they can go on to experience life and create families and da da da da da just because a family is impoverished doesn't mean they're not a family and doesn't mean you're not preserving the family unit you would also hope that conservatives would push for you know uh different bills that help support families once they have gone through the actual pregnancy and given birth to the child so maybe he can talk about that but you see how arguing you don't care about something doesn't really work because we can flip the examples any which way to establish care or to uh disestablish care the units that are wanted to be by many of american citizens your first point of being for pro-life is that is a human life that is a child in and of itself it i always hear constantly the argument of you know if men were the ones having babies and it would be a different situation maybe but that's not the case the case is that women are the ones that bear children and that is a life on to itself and therefore it is deserving of its own human rights and its own human life um and you brought up many points which okay i would be for me so i can yeah yeah of course if you feel free to like you know cut me off if i'm talking too fast or if you want me to slow down yeah of course these points you know i want to make sure that we could try to have uh yeah yeah me too me too my other points were being anti-ivf i think that ivf allows right american citizens to start a family when they wouldn't otherwise be able to be an anti-ivf prevents them from starting a family another point would be being anti- also i don't even think like isn't i think donald trump is not even anti-ivf so it just seems to be his big point to come after donald trump during this whole thing so if the leader of the the conservative party right now is not even anti-ivf i don't even know why we're going here considering it's clearly up for for debate diology bt plus saying that you care about family values unless it's two men or unless it's two women and then it's morally formidable we could say like your pro-abortion you clearly don't care about the creation of families the left largely supported black lives matter if you go to your website they talked about how they wanted to ruin the nuclear family and uh to completely uh discombobulate the the nuclear family a lot of left-leaning people are are marxist carl marx writes extensively about destroying the nuclear family because it's a pillar of capitalism but a lot of leftists are gonna look at me and say i don't agree with any of that and i actually support the nuclear family right support this and that which is why we shouldn't argue who actually cares about family values and we should probably establish that most people care about the world they care about their family they care about others they care about the future generation and they think they're doing the right thing based on their own value system so this entire claim that we're gonna argue back and forth makes no sense to be arguing uh and then yeah the third point would be just champion donald trump who's cheated on three of his wife's one with a porn star has sexualized little girls and has been held civilly liable for sexual abuse so on one hand i kind of agree with you because i don't think that the average conservative cares about family enough but i would say that conservatives care a lot more about the family unit than liberals and then people on the left especially like it was brought up when it comes to the pro-life issue when it comes to promoting the whole lgbt like all of these things are generally anti-family and liberals are also generally very individualistic while conservatives have always been more on the side of conserving the family you know okay i don't i would strongly disagree that liberals are going to be more individualistic i mean like you know if we just look at trump and the policy passed while he was president can you name one policy he influenced get passed up benefited the lower the middle class more so than the top one percent here we go he's back to it again because he he can't deviate from the the script that he's already been able to prepare for for this whole debate uh and he's not prepared for some of the things that they're coming up and saying and again i can give more examples of left-leaning people not really caring about family values but we'll wait and we'll we'll let this continue i don't know that has i'm when i'm speaking about individualistic on the terms of economics yes i would say conservatives are more individualistic as in we're not socialists we're not wanting to redistribute wealth yes do you know real quick can you define socialism for me when i'm speaking about socialism talking about the redistribution of wealth and like promoting the welfare system okay so it's i mean socialism like is just a mode of production so it just has to do with the workers owning the means of production the only reason like socialism means nothing more than that uh and we've haven't witnessed socialism all throughout history uh destroy societies and destroy the family structure it's because i feel like uh MAGA republicans conservatives as a whole have really misconstrued socialism communism etc but one last question for you um here you said that promoting the lgbtq+ community is anti-family how so because for instance i mean conservatives and people on the right have more okay i did want to hear her uh her take on that it would have been interesting to hear i mean i should also point to the left talking about how like having children is a burden on the environment and maybe we should hold ourselves to like two kids like harry and meghan are doing right now there's another example of not necessarily being pro-family values sorry hello sir nice to meet you hey nice to meet you too you've been excited you've been excited to come up here not to mention also i he was speaking about uh she spoke about expanding welfare and like the socialist idea behind that uh the expansion of the welfare system has led to more single-parent households and i don't know like anything else here in the united states which is actively breaking down family values breaking down the nuclear family system so yet another thing that we can pretty much contributes to uh democrats in the left i think this one's interesting so first i also wanted to know why you think democrats are better at supporting family values and conservatives of course great question so first of all we look at this from like an economic perspective i'd say caring for the low and middle class promoting like social uh social benefits a good example would be the child tax credit kamala harris wants to raise it to six thousand dollar forever and i didn't want to vote me out soon i'm gonna make my point then they're gonna vote me out i'm gonna go give me one second guys give me one second i think what's really interesting and i wanted you to bring it up but i'm just gonna bring it up again you were talking about when to start a family i think that's really interesting i think the choice to start a family is when you have sex um personally and you know someone will probably be more informational than me about this but i think that having sex is when you take that risk if you want to call it that take that risk of starting a family you're it's your responsibility to become a parent become a father or a mother and i think um i i forgot what it was the ibf is that what you said that helps is that is that what the help of the abortion is that correct no ibf is in birch road fertilization right this allows right certain like partners who want to be able to conceive like naturally to still have a child and i would like to respond to your claim there about this idea that engaging in sex is when you commit to starting a family sure it's a great reason why i think conservatives don't actually care about family values okay we know that our youth will continuously engage in intercourse we know that we will see people that do this for fun outside of the context of wanting to start a family i'd say right pushing the traditional value uh that you know sex leads to a kid and you're obligated to that you have to deal the consequence right it's antithetical to carry it about family values because when you do that you force unwanted children into unready households i'm more of course we disagree on that okay how do you hi so the claim that you're saying about conservatives not caring about family values let's kind of backtrack a little bit because donald trump himself i think he's kind of a new wave of republicanism and a lot of people kind of seem to forget that so conservatives yes the old republican party they did see that the old-fashioned traditional values maybe were not ideal for for certain family dynamic situations that you're claiming you know gay lesbian whatever but i think the republican party has definitely changed its viewpoint and its value system quite a little bit and now with lodges laws and legislations you can i can pretty much guarantee you that almost every republican in this room would not be opposed to lgbt rights and and people marrying people of the same sex so that's one claim and then if we want to talk about family values the democrats they tend to hypersexualize children a lot in hollywood i work in the entertainment industry and i constantly see many investors constantly pushing for these rhetorics and there's nothing to be said about it and unfortunately i'm exposing myself a little bit by just saying this because it's very controversial for me to work in an industry that's constantly fighting for children to consistently be human trafficked in hollywood i have so many friends that have tried to be sexualized under this propaganda and it's really saddening you know i i can agree because i used to be a liberal myself so i can side with you on certain things but you know my mother who grew up in a very democratic vision she herself also views that abortion is very sinful and it's unfortunate i can agree with you on the fact that people should have a right to their own body and we're not saying that they shouldn't that's why hence donald trump did state many times that the state should be involved with those legislations and not himself i think we're just going to keep talking in circles with examples on this point we might skip this prompt after we get through dean's response here and move on to another one situation such as people who are raped and all of those nuances you know it's it's yes go ahead so just a quick question about abortion do you agree with uh like giving the the states the ability to legislate on that well we give the states legislation on many things so you do agree so do you think that abortion is murder i think it is because i do think that we should leave murder up to the states well i think leaving the murder case is up to democrats is a little appalling if you look at the you can say us to that if you'd like oh the states were meant to be in control of a whole lot more uh now it's just all been thrown to the federal government the crime rates that are happening with all these children being killed and murdered constantly you know catholics believe that when you kill a child you know that's basically the ultimate mortal sin and there are many sins that we can discuss donald trump okay we're getting into religious arguments we're going to skip homeboy here but you love those so much yeah we're not all operating through a religious framework and i really think you you lose the debate as soon as we get into those arguments because you're debating with somebody who doesn't have the same framework as you so let's see when this guy gets voted off okay here we go welcome back yeah actually let me check it in really quick i think last time of course there's a lot of different claims different topics that was on this exact question but one thing i do want to stay from the like the beginning is this debate is democrats versus republicans not trump versus whoever they have in office kamala or whatever so i really want to focus on republican policies have been pushed throughout history to now and not separate things that two individuals say so i want to go on to abortion because abortion was talked about a lot when it comes to family values yeah i really don't think when if a party is pushing for adoption to raise a child versus murder that's not shot there are my dogs deciding to jump in on this to me right now away from family values it's not against family values because if that was really true how come in pretty much every single state to date if somebody is to turn or carrying a child and they get murdered is a double murder it's not a single murder it's a double murder sure so if it's a judicial system if it's a judicial system which has that way shouldn't abortion be looked at the same way or is it based on the person who says oh yeah i could kill somebody or not yeah i could explain it to you so first of all i'd like to tell you why i'm per choice that's because i don't value right a unicellular life form that doesn't have the ability to display like first-person subjective experiences right i don't value the fetus until it has that ability that comes at about 20 through 24 weeks but now that we got that out of the way you do ask a great question right how can i say that abortion isn't murder then turn around and support legislation uh that would like you know allow someone that uh like that kills a mother that is pregnant to be charged with double homicide well i could tell you through an analogy let's say you have a car uh what kind of car do you dress i drive a malibu you drive a malibu okay so if you go up to your malibu i mean afterward on debating here and you break the windshield did you do anything wrong i mean no it's your car it's your property you make that decision it's the it depends all right and people can do that because it's their kid and it's their body but if someone else were to come and murder them they'd be murdering the baby that you wanted to keep we get the whole analogy here on abortion we can go back and forth all day long on this and it's just because people view the issue differently shocker okay next guy good to meet you good to meet you as well man all right so i think your first claim you were saying that because donald trump has this past in this history that therefore he's anti-family and then therefore the entire republican base is anti-family well that your argument i'd like to make two corrections here sure so first of all that's not like the only reason why i'd say this it's just like one of major one of your arguments and then and then second of all i wouldn't say that every conservative ever on the face of you know planet earth is uh you know doesn't actually care about family values for this reason i'd just say that this is going to be typically true okay so you think just because donald trump is the republican candidate that therefore typically conservatives or republicans are anti-family well i'd say the consideration of who the republican party is champion donald trump a consideration of like the consequences of pro life legislation will not have any good reason to have that legislation in the first place along with being anti-f and anti-lgbtq+ are going to be for good reasons right so okay so let's look at democrats then okay are you going to say that democrats are anti-family because they elected someone like bill clinton and he cheated on hillary with bonica luinski like is that you know because i think if you are going to say that trump makes the republicans anti-family you're going to have to say the same thing about democrats and some of the candidates that they've elected and it's just ridiculous to think that a candidate has to fully uphold every single pillar of the ideology that you have because you can't do that it's not going to happen in the case of democrats it's not going to happen in the case of of conservatives and the point that he's making here about bill clinton is a very good one we'll see how dean responds not necessarily right i think of like bill clinton hey let him let him talk let him talk when democrats voted for bill clinton did they know like because they had a crystal ball that he was going to end up cheating on his wife with monica luinski oh we didn't know that he would cheat on his wife with monica luinski and therefore we are absolved of any obligation uh because we we put him in office what about jfk very well-known adulterer womanizer it was all over this guy's record and people knew this about jfk uh and yet he was elected and democrats voted for him i think cheating on your wife is not necessarily a sticking point when it comes to be a presidential candidate let's just agree to agree on that no they didn't but when you're going to vote for trump in november do you have the prior knowledge that he cheated on three of his wife he sexualized a little girl on it yes but also kasana krashu if we're going to talk about sexualizing children you don't want to open uh joe biden's pandora box on that one and you we don't want to open uh the box of what kavala has allowed to happen at our southern border and i've spoken about these stories many times you have girls little girls crossing the southern border with so many different men's dna uh inside their bodies from the rape and sexual assault that they have gone through and what does this administration not about it what did kamala Harris do about it in her time being the the borders are absolutely nothing yet you're going to lean on an example of what be saying trump sexualized a five-year-old please be so for real right now not to impeach him okay so aren't all the democrats in the house that voted to not impeach him now anti val uh anti-family well first of all i gave you four considerations why i'd say that the conservative voter base is going to be anti-family that's going to be one but i would say that yes we have to look at one argument at a time well i mean i wouldn't say that yeah this alone is necessary in saying that all conservatives are anti-family i'd say it's one of the considerations i would say that yeah like the democrats in congress that didn't elect to impeach uh like uh bell clinton probably didn't do the right thing there uh but then additionally i'd say even when we look at legislation from the democratic platform versus the republican one i mean the democratic platform uh you know wants to uh wants to federally protect all women and girls are he just threw in there the democrats didn't do the right thing with bill clinton and then he moves on to another point so that he can cover up the fact that he's just conceded something in your argument so that you don't stick to him on that and say well wait a second how do you feel about democrats uh that did that and is that not uh you know indicative of the entire democratic platform because those democrats did something that you claim to be wrong instead he just moves on and fast talks into the next point so you don't catch him there right to access abortion right that's going to make sure that unwanted kids aren't placed into unready households the democrat platform wants to raise the child tax credit to six thousand dollars right so yeah i mean you're being pushed on this argument and then you're just bringing up our other arguments you're not actually addressing my claim thank you i don't think you can say oh just because i'm going to vote for this candidate because i like their policies means i'm therefore anti-family and i think you have a lot of republicans myself included that are very outcomes that are very pro-family and that you know want those things and are disgusted by trump's previous behavior but that's not our voting philosophy our voting philosophy is based off of policies and what we think are going to be best for the country that doesn't mean we don't have disagreements absolutely he is cooking he is with trump this guy been a lot of it i know i'm what i tell you with these debates where you have to like run up to the chair to sit down the most like respectable like intellectual is just going to sit there and wait until there's a moment where you can like saunter up and sit down and that's the sky i think with literally any candidate you're going to have disagreements on it's different policies that they like and different personal behaviors and actions in their life yeah that does not mean that therefore i'm anti-family because i'm going to vote for donald trump well here's the way i'd put it i don't see how you could call yourself pro-family turn around platform donald trump with his you know anti-family past cheated on three of the wife's one with a porn star and vote for his legislation that in turn is anti-family as well again i just said that's not that's not our voting philosophy you said that you voted on the context of policy but this is also considering the policy that he wants to and he ran out of time he needs more time thanks for conversation man my next claim is democrats are more patriotic than republicans again every single claim here what were you dealing with charlie charlie like trans women are not women i think was one of them abortion is a moral i think was one of them i don't remember some of the other things that he brought up but actual things that you can sit down and go back and forth about democrats are more patriotic than republicans how is one supposed to argue that and first of all okay well i'll go ahead and we'll we'll pull this up because i already have this i know that i know this is a prompt patriotism a feeling of love devotion and attachment to one's country or state and you're going to say that democrats have more love and devotion for america than republicans do and you can actually track this with like pure pure research studies or gallop polls where they straight up ask people are you patriotic or would you describe yourself as being patriotic both democrats and independence track lower on patriotism and love for one's country and devotion for one's country than republicans and outwardly so asking them to their face are you patriotic they will say no and of course republicans say yes at record rates so i don't even know how you can defend the point that uh democrats are more patriotic than republicans if you even think about it from like just anecdotal how many republicans have you seen like if this candidate wins the election i'm moving out of america i hate this country how many how many republicans do you see burning american flags we can feel these sentiments among the two separate parties but even if you need to look into research and and listen to polls of actual republicans and democrats you will find the republicans track more patriotic patriotically than uh than democrats do it's just not even not even a question i'm sorry i'll let you go next i'm gonna be quick hello sir i would i would love to talk to him hey welcome back down okay just for everyone's sake um i want you to tell me why you support your claim and then i'll leave and people can yeah bet you okay thank you you're welcome i like this guy um thank you so much i really appreciate he's only conceding because he knows that's what you're gonna do anyways he's like go ahead tell me your examples we can get this over with and then other people can actually come and give you actual arguments that so yeah i think that democrats are more patriotic than republicans because republicans are currently platform forming donald trump and donald trump had like attempted to launch a coup on our federal government and an attempt to overturn and rig the results of the 2020 election and there's four reasons i say this it's crazy because now if you even like i said if you even ask democrats they won't define themselves as being patriotic in fact they kind of view that as a dirty word a lot of them not all of them but a lot of them say that's a dirty word showing love for one's country or showing devotion to america is nationalist it's loyalist and they don't like that sentiment uh in the democratic party whatsoever so this is gonna be just amazing to watch him argue the democrats are more patriotic the first and i think the claim he's just putting it out there to bait people and get them triggered over the claim itself rather than to actually defend his idea that democrats are more patriotic reason i say this is donald trump capitalized on the january six riots to pressure senate in to postpone it in the vote the second reason i say this is because donald trump sent fake slates of electorates to seven different states to cast fake certificates of ascertain we've already thrown out this argument uh blue blue blazer did that for us and to college to be certified as real by mike pence the third reason i say this is because well he pressured he pressured mike pence and to signing those fake certificates of ascertainment and the fourth reason i say this is well this process of trying to circumvent our civil and electoral processes and literally trying to rig the outcome of the 2020 election is a direct threat and attack on our government and on our democracy and it is ignoring the voice of every single american citizen that voted in the 2020 election you and everybody around this room and anybody at home if you voted in the 2020 election trump tried to make your vote null by installing fake certificates of ascertainment to make himself the president again okay and that is to spring up blue blazer if we're gonna have to replay the whole thing that we just watched over like how many minutes ago now the worst internal attack that we have had on our country since the civil war okay i don't agree but you guys can vote me on that real quick on ignoring the voices of the electorate about Kamala being a candidate that was selected and not primary for the first time that i know of in american history how does it feel about being represented in that process it that seems a little bit anti-democratic yeah and how does he feel that the dnc has done this time in time again they did it with getting like amy clomachar to drop out so they could usher forward their candidate they did it with bernie sanders who was largely supported by the democratic party and by democrat americans and the dnc just completely steam rolled him for for hillary clinton so do they track is being patriotic hello nice to meet you okay so really bold clear statement that democrats are very patriotic let's talk about the actions of the democrats being very glorious and let me know i'm just like if you brought in 50 democrats and 50 republicans into a room and just ask them just can you say right now that you love america can you say the words i love america right now you'd probably have 50 republicans who are capable of saying that statement it's like zero democrats who are willing to even say that out loud and you're trying to argue that they're more patriotic at school wild country well i would like to clarify yeah but i claim it's not that democrats are very patriotic it is that they are more patriotic than republicans but i apologize for interrupting you okay no but i would like clarity on what are those actions because in my understanding and democrats being very patriotic is destroying the nuclear family burning down flags um burning down buildings um i mean we see just destruction in our cities did you like see the trash and all the homelessness going out in l_a_ what is patriotic about supporting all of that what is patriotic about supporting all the drugs that are coming in all the things that we're allowing the human sex trafficking allowing all these things and policies going on like what is patriotic about that what screens i love america of people you said that you said that democrats support right no i'm just asking like what are the patriotic acts that show because what patreon but patriotism means to me is kneeling for those who have sacrificed for our country my father has served 30 years in the um military right that is 30 years that he is not getting back that he has fought for his country lay down his life for what is patriotic that the democrats are doing that are saying hey i'm gonna lay my life down and not be ego-tastic and individualistic and i'm going to serve and look out for others look out for the next generation what is that so that's what i'm asking to make that statement clear what does that look like at the democratic party and the issue is that he can say i don't view any of any of those actions as being patriotic and then you can just go back and forth over actions that you view to be patriotic that he doesn't and then you could say what about burning the u.s flag or kneeling for the national anthem which is you know done dramatically more on the left and he'll say well i think that's them you know using using their their freedom of speech and vocalizing their problems with this country which is inherently patriotic you see how we could go in circles uh all day what really matters is what happens when you ask people are you patriotic and uh democrats say i'm not and a republican say i am i actually think that's a great question and the answer to you question would be a fight to protect and preserve the state of our democracy i think that you listed off a whole cohort of claims there that were typically engaged in by democrats that have been anti-patriotic such as burning the flag such as burning down buildings in the riots and i agree with you right i think that those are clear displays of anti-patriotic behaviors do i necessarily disagree with them all the time no i don't think that it's wrong to burn the american flag if it's in protest of actions of the american government but my claim here is is that there's nothing less patriotic than supporting donald trump a man that has already tried to destroy our country internally by overthrowing the results or sorry attempting to overthrow the results of the 20th okay i completely understand that statement i don't agree with that but we's only prepared to defend it from that angle that's what we're dealing with right now so we're going to keep going back to january sick because that's how he's prepared because he's really just trying to hit a trigger point with republicans rather than actually make the claim the democrats are more patriotic we're not talking about donald trump we're talking about your statement that democrats are patriotic so i'm asking about the actions are what because we can keep tying and kamala and donald into this but that they are not the reason of being a conservative or a democrat it's the morals it's the values and the action that you were reflecting on your consistency and the morals and the values and the actions reflected the morals the democrats as a liberal what are you reflecting that's benefiting your country of course great question socialism policies these indivistic policies these i oh i want to consume these egotistic policies these oh you should um worship in closed doors and proximity don't open the bible in school don't say the pledge allegiance oh yes just let me clarify we'll finish up by so all these things that we see we're being forced as conservatives to shut that down to be quiet to be banned so how are we talking about free speech freedom of religion loving and all this so these are all things that you guys are proclaiming but yes so do you agree with freedom of religion of course so then you want to agree with trump's attempted muslim ban again we're not talking about trump i'm not the man it was a travel ban specific countries policies talking about how our democrats really yeah sure let's let's let's go let's go over them so first i think that i think that fighting for the freedoms of all 170 million american women by reinstituting federal protections for access to health care that's going to be caring about so abortion i think that yes i think that fighting okay just want to make that quick i'm sorry i just want to make that clear because there's a lot of things to do that no i just wanted to make that clear so i'm on that same page you can continue okay yeah i mean i obviously think being in a room surrounded by 20 conservatives you're not going to look at access to abortion as health care i think no i'm sorry continue no worries this isn't a dialogue you want a good fruitful dialogue let's continue i'm apologizing i just wait yeah and like i understand that there's going to be an ideological separation there but from my side of the aisle i absolutely think that this is something that should be federally protected i think that infringing upon women's right to following autonomy bodily integrity all because they want to preserve the life of a non-sentient or sorry uh by uni's a multisailor life form that doesn't have your mom think thought that about you also has nothing to do with patriotism but let's continue she was about to like she thought that you were just some some cells um my mom when it when i was where i mean it doesn't care what she thought i was that so you were just a bunch of cells so that's what you're just believing in your well i mean well my particular claim was the reason why i'm pro-choice is because i don't value the life of your uni's or uni or multisailor but you have life it doesn't have the ability to make that change you get to make that choice by having life and someone that doesn't have that voice to say like oh that's just a bunch of cells just abort it where where does that where does that stand how is that patriotic how is that loving america yeah because it protects access to health care it protects the president julian babies julian children okay okay so do you think abortion's murder yes okay so do you think i'm making that statement very okay well so do you think that some women with iud's are murderers then because it is the case in some contexts an iud will allow for conception to occur meaning there's a unique human life there but then it will imprint it will you know you know he did this in the charlie debates and we're back on to abortion we should be talking about patriotism so i guess we're okay with just allowing allowing his claim to just like fly freely into the air and not addressing it uh i guess we'll go back to abortion in iud's whatever perfect it's implantation into the inner line in killing it i don't support or believe in any of that i just rather wasn't the question i asked you i asked you if they were murderers i have no comment on that well didn't you just say that abortion was murdered because it was killing a unique human life iud's can and do kill unique human life so one of this make women with iud's murderers well lame i again have no comment on that okay we'll see now now i can just reflect everything you're just asking me back to you yeah i'm not gonna answer the question that i have asked you about again how are these actions going to be more she should not have allowed this to go in this direction because now it's looking like she's losing this but there's just there's nothing to do with the claim that is being made and if she does not agree with iud's she should go forward with whatever claim that leads her to if she agrees with iud's she should say i agree with iud's but we're not getting to the heart of the issue here and just move on but people get like you know these normal people debating subjects that they probably don't debate on a on a daily basis so they they can't keep up more patreonine okay well i'd like to make a clear for the record that you can add a comment on that because we need that that you will you support killing babies okay good we're going to talk about iud let's move on forward what other actions have you seen that the democratic party has just showed again i love america of course right so i mean if you want to talk about thank you all right so you said that democrats are more patriotic than republicans yes um because so kit i would like to hear so how would you describe the epic failure with the biden administration and how would you see it as being patriotic in the way that we left afghanistan um well if you want to reference her afghanistan pullout is not being patriotic well we should blame that on trump because he is the one that organized the pullout that's actually wrong he didn't he did i know the lawyers that worked with jag for that operation and it was a long strategic pullout and then she's getting fact-act here to be proven correct that uh trump's plan was a 14 month plan whereas uh biden sped things up you know over the course of several years as the biden administration you all know how that turned out yeah we all know how that turned out now the taliban is like armed with so many of our military's resources what 13 of our service members died as we were pulling out so and you know taliban has all new rules now that women can't sing in public or utilize their voices and all these different things so they're doing great over there when they were going to leave it was their operation with the military complex um under austin that pulled that out and again because this is a value-based claim that uh somebody is more or less patriotic based on these different things you can f up in afghanistan and still be patriotic you can do a really great job in afghanistan and not be patriotic there's a lot of different things going on here that don't substantiate the claim that's being made it was an epic failure so are you agreeing that it was a failure okay well i mean if you see you seemingly no more than me about the pull out from afghanistan as far as i'm aware that i was organized under uh by a trumps administration do you see giving the katari emisee to the taliban as patriotic well i would like to uh just finish off here real quick so you see me lina more than me about our pull out from afghanistan i was under the impression do you see what happened at bagger mare force base as patriotic okay man do you mind if i finish we'll see we'll see see if i can interrupt you go ahead okay um well just uh what i what i'd hope to say there was you seemingly no more than me about a pull out pull out out of afghanistan it was one of the largest events that happened after biden took office and also one of what i would consider one of the worst and most humiliating for america okay well if i'm not if i can't like finish my statements i don't see how we're going to be able to have productive conversations do you do you know how many people are left american citizens are left in afghanistan i do not know how many american citizens are left in afghanistan do you are you familiar with any of the planes that have gone back to try and pull some of these people out who's operating those three you know that the federal government isn't doing that that it's non-profit organizations she's just going to give him a taste of his own medicine though like pulling all of these you know highly specific facts and and you know little bits of information that of course he's not going to be prepared for yeah which is what he's been doing to everyone else the whole the whole time so it's kind of delicious to see him get what he's been given it's true it's fair and that a lot of those non-profit organizations were grounded in other countries and not allowed to enter in okay so a lot of operations all right let's look at the before so patrioticly so patrioticly speaking i mean i can't say is that something that's patriotic to you is leaving someone behind patriotic okay well if you will allow me to speak without i'm waiting for you yeah yeah you're very quick with everybody else come on if you will allow me to speak without interruption we'll be able to have a hopefully productive conversation come on point okay well i'm i'm seriously i'm not gonna be able to make a point if you keep interrupting me like that's just like you know you're stalling you're stalling make your point was it patriotic okay that's good yes or no was that patriotic for you okay notice there's a lot of freedom that's not true yeah they're like let it just like finally somebody's going after in the same way that he's going after us but let's hear it because he would do all these things like let me give you an uh an ex super specific example and ask you if it's racist say yes or no say yes or no well to give you a yes or no answer i'm gonna have to give you a fleshed out answer i will address your point if you could flush out answer you don't have a yes or no on patriotism leaving okay uh so if you will or that we spent over 20 years you're still not allowing you to talk here do you mind if i finish yes or no it's not a yes or no question it is a yes or no question i asked you yes or no it's very direct yes or no okay so what you're trying to do is you're trying to force me into a question when i can even respond to claims that you've made no you're you're dancing around the question because you don't want to answer it because it's going to make you look bad so if you're not patriotic i think any american citizen can tell that it was not patriotic it made us look bad it was embarrassing we all had doubts on what this was going to happen under this administration just based on that alone and the fact that we still have people there that's embarrassing okay all right so if the afghanistan pull out uh were to have occurred as a way that you described it it would have been anti-patriotic it would have been bad 13 service members lost their lives i don't think that they deserve to do that i'm under the impression that donald trump had organized that pull out while he was president no executed under the Biden-Harris administration you're saying that's false we'll leave it up to the fact checkers and that i'd also please please yo hey please go let me finish please i've oh so i forgot to get that out please just allow me to finish here that's not chaotic okay so i would still say that attempting to overthrow our federal government with the use of a coup to rig an election would be less what would you say to somebody what would you okay you're still right hey welcome down how you doing okay so i feel like a lot of what this question is holding is what isn't the best for the american people right yes and like what is the most patriotic thing i like that and and i feel like a lot of what has been discussed today because i've heard it and a lot of people have said it is and then what you have addressed a lot is you don't think trump is the best candidate right and then on top of that i feel like the problem is with a lot of people right now is there's a lot of issues a lot of hot topics a lot of things that we could go over and i think the problem is all subjective and how we interpret them as being patriotic or not patriotic what matters is if when you ask somebody are you patriotic do they say yes or no and of course republicans say yes and democrats say no i feel like if we didn't even have like if we said republicans can't serve in the military anymore you basically have no military these are people who are actively exercising their devotion to the u.s and to the u.s values i mean i don't know how you can argue i just don't know how you can argue that democrats are more patriotic this is when we're thinking about what is the best thing for the american people um a lot of the past four years have gone astray and and gone to garbage okay and have you been able to demonstrate to me like how you think the biden and harrison ministration has negatively impacted your life or the lives of other american citizens i feel like there's a lot of agendas that you've clearly want to talk about agendas but in terms of like how they did well patriotically let's talk about what happened in hawaii like trump supported a lot or sorry not trump biden uh spent more money with ukraine than what was happening in burning people in hawaii do you know why i mean on top of that you're great sorry do you know why we've sent money to ukraine uh why we sent money to ukraine because of the budipas memorandum we signed a denuclearization agreement with you billions of dollars yes to people that are not even americans and on top tell you why oh you okay so that's because of the budipas memorandum that we signed with them uh in the nineteen nineties stating if they give up their nukes we'll defend them from a foreign entity if they're invaded that's what they did us sending ukraine funding and weapons is nothing more than the u.s upholding our contractual of agreement that we made in the nineties okay i know yeah well it looks like you are going to be finishing uh the episode off we have yeah well on the clock i'm not gonna respond anything that you say so take it away yeah one thing that you said about patriotism i mean i go to trump rallies and i see people holding up american flags versus if you go to a democrat convention you see nobody holding up an american flag maybe like one person or two people there will hold up an american flag so patriotism to me is being proud of being american being proud to be in from this country like i'm proud from being in this country my family can't escape communism from cuba and they find harm in us over the last three seconds came here for a better opportunity in loving america and that's what patris is about i appreciate you man thank you all right guys we're nearly at the end of this thing let's hit her and i'm run here yeah now okay now they're gonna do the thing where somebody actually gets to bring a claim of their own uh let's see and i already know what it is and i'm disappointed i think there are two reasons why dean shows me i think i was probably one of the more respectful people that disagreed with him and then the second reason is i think i i actually challenged him uh he had made a claim along the lines of bill clinton you know cheating on his wife with mr clwinsky and not being impeached by the democrats in congress and how that may reflect some anti-family values i think that it was probably the best rebuttal that i received from anybody uh today first i want to shake your hand i hope to have a respectful dialogue with you um my claim is that abortion is immoral or not justified now let's go through the abortion debate again like we haven't already so many times throughout this episode i'm tired of it i think it kind of comes down to four main reasons so the logically the argument is um to kill an innocent human being is morally wrong i'm sure you agree with that one um the second is that abortion is the killing of an innocent human being so therefore abortion is morally wrong i bet this guy like has done ethics or philosophical study of some sort in his educational career with the way he's having the logical argument but i think there's four points that uh you're going to bring up that determine whether or not a fetus is human or not so first is size second is level of development three is environment and uh fourth is degree of dependency so all those things kind of what i hear uh pro-choicers say fall under those categories and none of those categories determine human value or human worth uh you being valuable as a human is based um one in the fact that you are a human like that you you are part of the human species okay but secondly i would say because you are made in the image of god as well okay and so as that would write that in there you have lost the debate by bringing in religion because not everybody has that worldview to so to say people are made in the image of god is just not the best way to go about arguing this the basis of uh why i am pro-life okay um yeah let's have a conversation about this man so first of all i'll just tell you why i'm pro-choice so i'm pro-choice because i only value life forms that would fall into specific conjunction of traits i value in a life form that has a conjunction between past or present and future subjective experiences and it's not until about 20 through 24 weeks that is true of a fetus therefore prior to that point i'm not going to associate value with a life of that fetus um second of all you said that a human was valuable a because it's human and b it's made in the image of god um so um let's talk about that let's let's talk about the idea that you value it because it's made in the image of god and that is what makes you uh vote for pro-life legislation i don't think that we should be using faith-based beliefs to uh vote for legislation because when this has been used historically this has led to very negative outcomes um you want individual money so we also have a separation of church and state that is codified in this nation that's not true what one moment so one person might say uh that slavery is okay because god said so and you're saying that abortion is wrong because god said so how do we distinguish between those two states see i never said that actually i gave a whole logical argument that's separate from scripture but i we can yeah that's why you just stop there please stop there you stop before the picture like you read to my first premise so i don't even know why you're bringing it up it just seems kind of like a red herring okay um so you agree to my first premise that killing an innocent human uh person is wrong oh right i do not so i don't think in all scenarios that ending the life of an innocent human being is wrong i wouldn't say that it would be wrong for fetus before 24 before 20 through 24 weeks for the reason it falls outside of that conjunction of value i gave you it doesn't have the ability to deploy first person subjective experiences and maybe what does that mean explain that to me um yeah so like a first person subjective experience is uh you know like a type of qualia that we all experience and what you know gives us an inference of the idea that you're sitting at a chair in front of a microphone and you can engage with me in a subjective way um it's a little bit hard to explain but we could sum this up as consciousness uh and then second of all uh let's see if maybe you agree with your first premise what do you say it is murdered to pull the plug on a brain dead patient um yeah but i think that's irrelevant to the debate you say that that's murder and it's not irrelevant to the debate so do you think that that should be made illegal yeah i think so to pull the plug on a brain dead patient yeah if if that person is still alive then yeah we we don't we we cannot make that choice okay um we gotta we we have to let nature take its course for that okay um maybe something else we could say here uh human life begins at the moment of conception yeah yeah i would agree to that okay and it's murder to kill it after that so would you say uh this was a question i asked it earlier what do you say that women with iud's uh can be murderers because in some in some contexts an iud will allow for conception to occur but then a yud's explain that so an iud's he's just gonna go back to this um now we have just very differing worldviews i think of both of these individuals at the table so i mean i'm not gonna insert a third argument for these things i'll just let them talk it out and we'll we'll go back and forth it's very interesting that he said he would not allow for people to have the plug pulled on them um if they are in a vegetative state i wonder if that changes if the person is previously consented to having the plug pulled on them because there are many people i think maybe even including myself that if i was in a vegetative state i would want the plug uh pulled on me if they're if you're not going to be able to revive me you know i don't want to sit there like that because of form of birth control it's inserted into a female's uh cervix i believe maybe uh i'll get fact check well so yeah i mean what it does is in some scenarios it can prevent conception of a unicellular zygote and others it will allow for conception to occur then implant uh then prevent implant if conception happens and then the uh the fetus is terminated that is murder okay so you say that some women with iudis are murderers yeah okay do you think that all murderers should go to jail well yeah i do okay so then you'd say that some women with some forms of birth control should go to jail yeah and see now now we're on a red herring though you're you're talking about policy you're talking about policy but what says upon but you're avoiding the action will discussion no this is an avoidable discussion is what is a fetus what is the unborn and your only argument against that was level of development and you said you have to be conscious that that that's what you value okay so first of all is that no is that correct yeah so i i only value life forms that have a conjunction of past or present and future subjective experiences but i would like to repeat know that line of questioning was not a red heron it was using your logic to imply a certain but it but but so one moment you know it's allow me 30 seconds to to finish here right so the same logic you're using to imply that a bird that abortion is murder and should be criminalized as also led you to the conclusion that women that use some forms of birth control should be sent to jail okay i don't think that's logic we should okay but also how absurd the conclusions can be no but here's the problem is that people within the pro-life movement disagree on that stuff so you can't use that to discredit the entire pro-life i'm using that to disagree no but what every pro-life or agrees on and what the heart of the issue is that you seem to be running away from is what is the unborn and so your uh your example of consciousness falls into level of development but so does that mean that if we have someone and you said i think um subjective experiences and things like that as well does that mean if someone is born blind and deaf they're less of a human being no because they have because they can't have the same experiences as the rest of us so first of all i don't think that level of experiences like like i don't know a newborn being less conscious than uri that's not going to determine them to have less value my statement would be if they have any subjective experiences they're going to have the same amount of value and that's going to be consistent across the board second of all i'm not using this determinator for moral value that being like first-person subjective experiences to evaluate what is or is in a human uh a uniseau or zygote from the moment the conception is a human as determined by biologists right they have unique human DNA right my assertion here is that i do not value the fetus prior to that point because they lack this ability that is necessary uh for them to be harmed they don't have the problem is it can't be harmed we don't have first-person subjective experiences and to say that all human life regardless of the point of its development including a uniseau or zygote uh you know is just as valid i think there is like uh there's differing like research on whether or not a fetus can be harmed and at what stage there's some research that suggests they start forming pain receptors as early as seven weeks and a lot of research says that uh by 12 weeks they can actually for sure feel pain yeah and i do wonder like okay so technology is really advanced okay and i i do not have a staunch stance on a pro-life or pro-choice just go ahead and put that out there before people are hopping in the comments and coming after me for all these different things i'm saying we've really progressed as far as um how soon babies can be born and and still live you know a lot of people said that it was that 24 mark we've uh in recent history had a baby born at 20 weeks that was able to uh survive and and go on to to live a life as technology develops and babies are able to be born sooner and sooner in their developmental stages does dean's view of when you know a life is is worth living change with it i'm just be curious to hear um uh what his stance is on that because that's going to change this whole subjective experience argument that he has hey you're that's insane but you're putting a barrier on what is a human being no yes you are no i'm already told you have to do no i mean we all put the barrier somewhere pro-lifers say well clarify again it's a human being from the motor consent and not all human beings are variable of our valuable of course okay so there's like there's nothing to keep going on here the barrier somewhere and so pro-lifers are going to put the barrier on conception because that is when it is an independent human being uh but you're putting the barrier on consciousness and i'm saying true okay so if you're gonna put the barrier there the problem is is that the result of that view is that people with less consciousness have less value it is not yes it is right why is that not not the case yeah because my conjunction for value is meeting the conditions of having the ability to deploy consciousness right but if you deploy more consciousness than another human that doesn't mean you have more value than them okay any level of consciousness right is going to yield the same amount of values the next they're both safe and there are different views on this you cannot you're gonna change the person's view on when they believe a human life is valuable and he's even saying i do believe it's a human life from conception that's not the argument that we're having here so like where are we gonna what are we gonna continue you want to get him to change his mind on like on consciousness and whether or not he thinks a human life has value uh at deployed consciousness is not gonna happen so it's kind of just i wish we could have gone over any other uh political point i think that as soon as a fetus gains this ability to deploy these first person subjective subjective experiences that they have just as much value is okay deploy consciousness so what about if you have someone that is unconscious that cannot deploy consciousness well once didn't we just kill them no because they would still meet uh the conditions of my conjunction for distributing more values that being past or present consciousness and future consciousness right so if you meet the future consciousness yeah okay so if they have the potential for consciousness i do not think that the potential for consciousness uh in the future on its own uh would yield a morally valid okay so now you're walking back i'm not walking back yeah you did because you said i have a question is the potentiality for consciousness can you let me finish because you've been complaining about everyone interrupting and that's fair but yeah i need to i need to make my point all right so you were saying that you were uh just saying about future consciousness and that's that's exactly the argument with the pro-life is that they have the potential for that um for that consciousness and again you're discriminating based on level of development and if we were to discriminate against a toddler or what not based off of level of development if that's what it means to be human then that introduces a subjective aspect you're just kind of making talking points now right i've already clarified that this isn't what everybody's making talking points yeah what are you talking about make someone human this is what makes a human morally valuable yeah but i've also clarified one moment allow me to finish allow me to finish i've also clarified here that no i do not value potential for future consciousness on its own i value it in conjunct to past or present i feel as if you are almost ignoring my argument conceiving of an argument okay well we have it on video of you not just saying past and present but you saying future okay so i mean you're walking back if you want to admit that that's that you're walking it back that's fine that's only fine but that's what you said okay so when deny that uh so yeah when the people at home watch this and scrub you know their youtube uh you know bar at the bottom back they will see that i said past or present consciousness and future consciousness and future consciousness exactly conjunction exactly that's what i'm saying what you like me to describe to you what a conjunct is and why yeah he's he's he's focusing on the future thing but he's saying past present and future in conjunction with one another so they have to be grouped together and therefore you can't just lean on the idea of future consciousness because he's saying as a whole package past present and future which i guess past exists from the the moment the development reaches the moment of consciousness and every second after that is now the past once you've reached that point but i don't know but guys i i hate if there's a debate i hate it's the pro-life pro-choice debate i'm gonna be so honest with you given that it's already at the state level anyways and most people in our nation agree with pro-choice legislation and that is just what's going to be largely i mean you're gonna have a state here and there that it's not allowing for it but i mean to go back and forth over these people strongly held beliefs on like pro-life or pro-choice that are not really budging and you know i get it that it's a very strong issue for a lot of people but i hate listening to it because you know i feel i feel they feel how they feel how to use that to distribute so okay so your value save by the mail whoo come over this y'all at the end of the day it's not just about me trying to change everybody else's minds but it's also about me becoming a better person and holding better beliefs myself um i think that i definitely have programming everyone else is like down in position so i was arguing i could have known much more about you know our pull out of an afghanistan and i want to admit that in good faith but ultimately speaking and this all things considered sense i think that i definitely held up pretty well throughout the conversations and hopefully i'm able to make an impact upon the beliefs of anyone who may be watching this interview right now with some of the things i said today trust you would hope that you hold up well just in the same way that i would hope charlie kirk holds up well given that it is his career given that you get to choose the prompts and prepare for the prompts through your own framework and then you get to bring it to the audience so yeah i thought dean was a great debater he definitely came with a lot of like news articles and a lot of facts what they want to say and kind of i think at the end of the day you could have the facts with how to construe them and i think he did really well at construing the facts and everything uh he did make me kind of think a little bit um like i said he was really he came in really prepared so there are definitely a lot of things on there that i'm have to go back in uh research on and just get more information on he did do well at taking a fact and misconstruing it he did you have the facts and then you it's how you construe them you're right about that you know i think he's a good kid i think that he's young i think that he needs a little bit more life experience to see laurie do under certain administrations and what they do under another just to clarify i don't believe that women get to high positions by sleeping to the top there are plenty of women that do work hard to get to where they need to go myself included you know um lots of friends and family that i know and so many women around the globe they work so hard every single day to get to where they are even with the disadvantages that they are given just not Kamala Harris and that's all she said but we were um specifically discussing Kamala Harris's character she is not one of them i think it's valuable but at the same time i felt like both sides were talking to a wall i don't think he felt that he was being listened to and same with us we don't felt like that we were listened to i think this experience has been valuable whenever you get people to just come and sit and discuss these more issues i think that's a win of you know this is going to be on the internet people are going to watch this and hopefully this sparks discussion in their lives and in their communities and so in that way i definitely think this was a good conversation to have great job and mica killed it mica did really well i did it really well indeed okay guys we're gonna get into your super chats here from you guys hmm all right wow we're almost done we're almost done guys let's talk that was i was a lot to get through but actually pretty pretty engaging more more engaging jubilee's week time yeah all right uh jocey z says happy wednesday i'm struggling with writer's block i met john green at his lecture on monday it's stressing me out it's due today but very exciting wait what's due today sorry i miss that something that she's writing apparently oh okay and you met john green i used to love john green and i i know that is uh he wrote the fault in our stars and abundance of catherens looking for Alaska all these different uh young adult novels um yeah i love a good john green book right on well good luck hopefully we helped you uh by occupying your mind with something else with your right is rough exactly and you're gonna get great ideas just popping in your head exactly uh anthony cardona says as someone who wasn't really into politics watching your streams and videos have made me more interested in politics and is encouraging me to vote hey love the content you're truly amazing i love to hear it i'm glad that we've sparked some interest for you and i think that's the only way you should only vote if you're interested in these uh in these subjects and you care about them i think yeah i was about to say you will never hear omella just play you know with no qualification tell people to go vote she doesn't think and i agree that you know you should just be encouraged to vote if you have no idea what's going on yes never ever then we love that for you and if you hear that yeah if you hear that from my mouth it wasn't me somebody got me i've i've been got i'm very cormy i says uh did these people miss that they questioned john mccains birth he was born in pantomot uh if i remember correctly last i checked john was not black there you go wow i didn't know that i actually didn't know that that's very interesting and you know what there you go you asked control of the panomac canal zone where i used to live there by the way for a year my senior year of high school um by john mccain i think was born there so there were questions as to whether he was really a citizen or eligible for president fascinating that would have been a good tidbit to use during this debate dainty little morsel mhm hmm uh nichol pull on says i love learning from your content you have opened my eyes more to politics now i'm getting my husband into your videos keep up the great dialogue she's got red pillar husband i don't know if i count as red pill content i don't know if i want to label myself as that but i'm glad that you and your hubby are getting into these videos that's so awesome yeah red pill has been like appropriated by manosphere content yes uh cupids says i love how he does choke on his words a lot more than i expected waited for you to stream it instead of ought to get myself too hey also says it is also very clear that they are far more respectful than libs versus charlie kirk it says a lot uh but i'm not claiming that all lives are rude yeah you could tell like nobody was screaming at him nobody was calling him names or saying that he was ugly or anything like that like what happened to charlie kirk is a total different a total difference in temperament among the two different groups which it could be a fluke or it could speak to something marie says can we get omele versus 20 liberals i would love to see it you almost did i almost did you know when they were pitching surrounded they're like hey we're gonna do this thing with like a conservative and 20 liberal college students or whatever and i was on the docket to be one of the options but they went with charlie kirk instead what embodied that tremogor omele shay douchet uh casey cat says as a gold star family i can tell you from all of our pretty extensive and generational military circle we support trump yeah there you go and you know what i've gotten military in my family uh trump supporters as well i mean for obvious reasons um he seems pretty conflict avoidant as well which i think the military is in large support of plus you had kamala heris on debate night say that we have no active military deployed in any war zones right now while we actively have military service members in war zones as we speak crazy crazy but not all the trump lies way too much and kamala never does yes he's the liar uh crimson rose says kamala heris put your mal true love in prison for seven years as an innocent man uh because she needed a win on a hard crime case if this is what she does to get where she is she doesn't care about the people that's the example that i was referencing earlier and thank you for filling in the name because i could not remember what his name was but yeah because she needed to have this tough on crime stance he put somebody who wasn't even guilty in the clinker very correct which is even more racist than her black cent and pulling out me in the stallion in that land because she thinks that what appeals to black people is twerking yeah she's really racking it up egregious example yep uh antony cardona says i'm not sure why dean is questioning a woman who obviously has her connections in politics uh you mean the blue blazer maybe or maybe i thought he's maybe referring to kamala and her connections but i'm i think it's the blue blazer yeah i wish i wish she had been the one to go ahead to have with him at the very end there and that he picked her um but yeah i thought doing it or i like the other guy but i yeah the topic was tough with yeah i like mica a lot he's respectful you can tell he's smart i just didn't like the topic yeah yeah now notice none of the uh conservative women old the uh man's playing card on him i was wondering if we might get that but missed missed opportunity perhaps without just kidding i'm speaking i didn't get any of that one we did get a $50 super chat actually oh sorry i'm looking at the old ones okay no worries allen says uh he is wrong with most things he has said however he's right about january six all the court documents are online list multiple examples of trump explaining his electorate fraud plot it is sad how media on both sides portray it big fan of the show yeah the only thing that i heard that um and i as i said earlier in the show the election fraud stuff i gave up on looking into that pretty quickly as it seemed like that was a runaway train that it was gonna go in the direction that it went in no matter what but it was something about like can't you he said something to somebody it maybe it was pence or somebody about like can't you produce 1100 more votes or something like that that was the one thing that i heard was like oh is that a direct quote he's looking that little bit but it does seem like all the evidence um that was claimed to have been had uh about election fraud was never truly looked into because of course we're not gonna actively look into this allegation because it says a lot about america in our system the best argument that i've heard about election fraud is actually from the fake roma swami where he talks about all of the interference that happened at the level of media and social media and big tech and how they spun all these stories leading up to the election and really confused the american electorate about what was actually going on in regard to these two candidates and when you can just actively lie about a candidate through media and through social media then you are setting them up for failure and setting another side up for success and that is election fraud and should be seen as such and you had actual government agencies who were advising big tech um and the media on what to say and what not to say and that should never happen and specifically to berry the hunter-biden laptop new york post story which turned out to be true but they colluded to uh berry it right in my head of the election and that if anything's interference that is yeah uh jonathan partita says i've been waiting for this vid as an average american barely scratching the surface of politics it was so hard for me to process his claims i really wish there were more versed people like blue lady yeah and when you look at the like okay blue blazer lady she was formidable okay that's a good person to invite when you watch charlie kirk they invited two people who debate for a living uh they didn't do that with dean um and i know a lot of people are spinning in and saying oh dean had to go up against adults and charlie had to go up against college students he had two professional debaters in his crowd dean had no professional debaters in his crowd so i i think he was dealt an even hand uh for what he went through in this video you know more than even yeah uh julie s says love your work amla and taylor thank you appreciate that thank you julie uh charever seven seven seven seven says amla and taylor remember your exceptional qualities unwavering strength and incredible worth your courage and resilience are essential as you bring warm flight and purpose to others lives oh my gosh that is so kind that's so nice i'm there i never know what to expect me super chat but you guys are always so nice it's unbelievable yeah speaking of warmth and light just reading just fills us with warmth yeah thanks charlie blushing uh anthony again says i think we can all agree that dean was more condescending in this debate than charlie was in his debate yeah i think charlie kept it pretty cuz ah well not exactly i think he did go after parker or something about having like low tea or something like that yeah he definitely did go back at people who's who snapped up and add him a little bit but charlie was fair i think dean was pretty fair i know afterwards dean is on tiktok saying like this is one of the most like difficult groups of people to be in a room with and it's just like uh that i'm questioning their intelligence or whatever whatever come on and he was kind of like still condescending but more softly yeah yeah but overall he kept it like he didn't he wasn't yelling at anyone or anything like that so that was good yeah um minnesota nice says hey there a and tay dang is this how low the bar is to be considered a political debater because if so i need to quit my job because this kid is stupid yeah i don't think he's stupid i mean he was able to bring up facts he was able to articulate himself pretty well um i think his debate style is a little bit you know dishonest or yes it's tricky he's tricky i can see the tricks that he is deploying uh in his in his debate style and it's very similar to what parker does him and parker have very similar energy very similar vibes um which makes sense uh colsk uh tunde says hi from romania uh could you please debate this guy i think he would be open for it if nothing else you could get a meal out of it yeah i get a meal out of it maybe from the super channel from yeah where's the meal coming from uh yeah i mean i'd be open to it i there's a lot of just ingenious stuff going on but i mean sure uh morphed says conservatives care more care about family values but the idea of family their idea of family can be narrow i feel it takes the village to raise a kid not just a nuclear unit i mean in some ways i agree uh but that's what you mean by village yeah depends on what you mean by that who was it joe biden that said like your kids or our kids you know the your the government's kids it's a huge tweak going viral right now yesterday about um you know you are not qualified to homeschool your kids and it's got like over half a million likes and there's all these you know hot takes from elites saying like yeah you know people who homeschool aren't properly teaching their kids and all this stuff that's not the energy we're looking for right and they will often lean on the it takes a village for that but i do understand the sentiment that you're saying it does take a lot of people to raise a good child yeah support family members community people who share your values etc but not a federal top-down tyrannical government state that wants to impose certain values and ideas through education that's standardized no thanks right uh let's see cj says left wing family values are different to conservative family values which are we talking what's what do you say left is values of what left wing family values are different to conservative family values which are we talking yes it just doesn't doesn't make any sense like say oh i think they're going to be bad or i think they're have more family values i think i think most people care about family and would say that they have family values so just we have to define what that even means yes the prompts he shouldn't have been allowed to use prompts that are every single one of value judgment you're right um patrista george says there have been 45 us presidents in office and at least 14 presidents have been accused of cheating on their wives so nearly a third of the presidents have been in presidential affairs yeah maybe it's not the standard that we use i think a lot a lot of people both men and women if given positions of power and you know people coming after them a lot of them are going to cave even if they're in marriages and things like that and we see that play out in real life and we see that play out in a presidential life as well i don't know that it's the best metric for deciding whether or not somebody's going to be a good president or not right and like it's unfortunate that you know fidelity is not something that we revere enough in a presidential figure that we hold them to that standard but we made that decision as a society a long time ago that we're gonna you know wink wink at our own candidates and you know hold up the other candidates to a separate standard and that so that point is just moot on both sides now because we've made that decision as a society and i don't think it was a good one but that's human nature for you yeah morphed against as welfareism makes the individual lazy unless they really need it i saw it happen in my family and it's what made me a conservative personally yeah it happens a lot of the time you know there are people who utilize welfare and they use it to get themselves on a better track and start contributing again and there are those that don't uh and that should be discussed but he's saying like this welfare is this and it'll be all great thing for family values not necessarily no at all cj says abortion is fundamentally anti-family yeah i mean i could see i could see arguments in most directions yeah yeah yeah yeah definitely anti-natalist uh kaolin lee quai says bf and for real right now i don't understand how we can logically argue these claims i'm listening to dean i can see how i only focused on my emotions rather than facts when i was on the left yeah it's very tough i find that that was the very same for me and maybe that's just a little bit of growing up plus some conservative values that made me go i've got to be more logical but emotional and a lot of these things uh anthony kardonis again says sorry guys dean has only emotional claims rather than claims that are more worth debating for i think he forgets he's not on tiktok yeah super subjective a lot of the things he was arguing riana crawford says hey this is my first time catching you live i wonder or i've been watching you for a bit now and i agree with a lot of your views i love this series keep it up oh thank you so much yeah jubilee has been fueling this channel because they keep putting out banger out their banger with all these good videos so we'll keep it up if they keep up we were in a rough for a little bit there but yeah it's about that time uh bob the builder says all of his claims are republicans suck instead of this is my political view on a topic right a hundred percents that's what we witnessed this whole video whole video uh hawaii girl 89 says this kid just kept repeating himself too much and i feel like felt like he didn't do much research before going into this since his opinions on every topic was on repeat it was exhausting hearing him keep repeating himself i think he did a lot of research to defend the examples that he came with his ammunition for each of his claims i think he did a lot of research to track uh those arguments with the people he was arguing against which is why when they deviated from the examples he came with he had to find a way to nail him and bring him back to what he had researched so that was fair and immediately when the afghanistan pull out was was referenced not only could you feel oh i didn't do enough research on this moment and i'm not prepared let's go back to my examples but he even mentioned it at the end of the video like this is something i should have researched more so yeah and and that's what you would do if you were tasked as being like the one debater for this episode you would pick your your five claims or whatever it is and you would like arm yourself to the gills with all the different things that people could come at you with and i think you know that is to be expected which is the unfortunate side of like just debates in general is it's not really like an honest conversation it's not an exchange of ideas there's this element of trying to win and then you're only you're not willing to go beyond your little safety valves that you have right you're doing for yourself in in argumentation and so it's less less real less organic less about actual inquiry of the question at hand and more about trying to get the upper hand yeah closed off debate and that's not fun but it is uh illustrative uh when we watch it and can kind of impact things yeah definitely you didn't witness a lot of concession which shows you all you need to know there should be a lot of concession especially if you're arguing like really intricate facts on these different things and we didn't witness that mm-hmm um mithi says this is more painful to watch than the last one i think so yeah it's close yeah it's the length of this one and yeah going back in circles that was rough yeah uh morph says not all conservatives are religious but we respect each other nonetheless because of our shared conservative values yeah i would hope so i would hope so oh lucas chat says i haven't been watching you for too long but i'm hooked i love your outlook on society today it's a breath of fresh air thank you we love to be a brush a breath of fresh air i was gonna say a brush of fresh air on the internet for you guys uh hawaii girl again says even though i put the abortion thing in my last super chat i do agree with you about abortion is a tiring topic and it comes up way too much yeah it does i mean like because like most people their stance on abortion is like an unwavering stance like you're gonna get a few people that change their mind or whatever and like you know i i'm you know it's down to the states now i'm okay with that being the case and like it going in the direction of what the states choose yeah and i think it's often conflated to like the moral philosophical question and then like how it should be dealt with from a you know legislative standpoint and there's a lot of debate on the moral philosophical side that is valid and interesting for its own sake but it's a lot of it ultimately will have no practical can't have a practical impact on like the state of the debate as it pertains to legislation right now in america so that's why i think a lot of it feels moot because it kind of is as far as what people will actually implement before a hundred percent i'm there i really like i've been watching you know the whole menendez drama that's happening right now because ryan murphy made this whole story about the menendez brothers which i should make a video about but i like it's such a a mountain to to take on their case and talk about it in the way that i want to talk about it that i'm thinking about it but like i'm watching the menendez brothers and listening to their story and i'm like you know what you should be able you killed your parents and they did that to you you know what but guess what we can't codify that into law because that would cause a lot of trouble so we have really strong moral stances on things that cannot necessarily be codified into law and that's okay and that's what i'm realizing in a lot of ways with this abortion debate as people go back and forth you know sometimes we have to move in directions that we we don't agree we don't agree with i watched episode one with my wife last night i didn't i haven't gotten the whole story yet i've never actually heard the whole story before so but i have seen stuff on social media that was like this particular Netflix adaptation isn't really quite fair to them or doesn't do it very well so i'm a little skeptical this adaptation go to amazon prime and watch the documentary about the menendez case if you truly want to if you're into drama and you want to watch a ryan movie show ryan murphy show watch ryan murphy show but if you truly want to know the menendez case i would watch the documentary on odd prime about their case and it will definitely be enlightening as to what those two men went through and they're still in prison for life to this day which is just absolutely insane to me but we don't need to get into that right now y'all let us know if you want to see a video on that i'm i'm here for it uh let's see break core me i says if called up at the end i would use his tactics and say dems are in a cult and do not allow their members to votes in primaries um count to who is the leader of the cult prove me wrong say that again sorry they're in a cult she says if i was called up at the end i would use his tactics and say dems are in a cult and do not their members votes i guess you're saying do not allow their okay do not their members votes in primaries count to who is the leader of the cult prove me wrong oh okay got you yeah so it is kind of like a another rally the dems are in a cult portion of your claim would be matching his tactics but the yes they don't allow their members votes to count toward who's nominated would actually be a factual claim yes little too logical yeah little too logical that second one uh seems about white says hamila we desperately need you back on jubilee you are another level then all the republicans they bring on the way you speak you make people take you seriously if you can get on an episode before the election please do i well i had two opportunities and those two opportunities did not go through the trial it charlie kirk got the first one which fair enough dude you do that for a living so that that you can take that uh and then the cumulus was to be on the cumulus versus trump point and that would have been so good but i didn't yet to be there for that one because i was with my grandma but you know maybe there will be there will be another jubilee video in the future that comes out that i filmed a long time ago but it's not really it's not substantial like these ones um so we'll see fingers crossed jubilee color up hit me up jubilee yeah backing uh best tank says to be fair doctors used to perform surgeries on babies without anesthetic because they believed babies can't feel pain yeah i mean there's a lot that has changed and developed over time and that is a question that i have for people who like make a certain line in the sand as to like a viability or consciousness or whatever like what happens when that line does move just your does your just idea move with that and i'm guess fair if it does um we'll see yeah one thought i had well he was talking about his standard is like he said the moment that the fetus has consciousness says however he was defining it then they have all the rights and but then he also said like that happens the way his standard goes into effect between 20 and 25 weeks so what if you have somebody who you know it has an abortion like moments in after that consciousness happens in that same time span that you've identified like does that person a murderer by your logic now you can play that game with him all day long as well yeah it's so tough and then it's like okay at the end of the day even with his like 20 to 24 week line or whatever the majority of abortions are taking place what before 12 weeks i think like 90% of abortions are taking place within that realm so it's like so so much squabbling over over a big issue i understand but like uh doesn't move the needle uh best tank says to oh i just sorry i read that my bad and been doing this too long oh there's a lot of y'all today kara says hey this is the first time i've been able to catch you guys live i'm a junior in college and i listen to your videos while i work love your content oh very cool in college i wonder what you're studying you can drop it in the chat don't send me another super chat do not send me more money you're in college uh joy says all in favor of omele or taylor being in the middle of a surrounded episode and she's got some raised-handed mode just don't let omele take care of that if you're fine i'd be nervous i'm like most definitely you never know what you're gonna go up against or like what people are gonna come at you with but it'd be fun at the very least i just like i don't feel this immense pressure of like i need to gotcha and win every single person so i feel like just that alone it will alleviate some of the the tension that people feel be like chill you know i'm not gonna like go for the jugular on you right now right like let's just talk yeah um don su du hast says generally these spectacle debates never seem to challenge change anyone's mind also wish if y'all reacted slash responded to the witch trials of jk rolling oh i did it's been too long now it's probably okay work in the algorithm for us but i would have loved to react to that that was good stuff yeah it's been a while i did listen to the witch trials of jk rolling it's very interesting very well put together um um podcast and it really brought to light the stuff that she's been dealing with and has been dealing with her really long time all throughout her career really interesting yeah i mean in these debates rarely are you going to change somebody's mind in in a debate it's just not what the format is really for yeah i think you're more likely to change minds when you take your approach of let's chill let's talk let's not try to like right one up each other right here let's just try to explore different perspectives on this issue locating disagreements and go leave it at that um uh sasha o'neill says hey a and t off topic but i tried my best at watching rebel ridge it was a challenge with the wokism in it also amla did you manage to find your keys uh no somebody stole my keys so those are never found i never found the person who did it but when i find you ricky when i catch you ricky uh yeah no i don't know that that what you're referencing the what you watch i've not heard of that it's a new netflix show or movie with non johnson and erin peer i guess okay never heard of either of them but yeah doesn't surprise me that a 2024 netflix product has mochaism in it hmm uh let's see morphed again says i'm sorry by village raising a kid i meant the local community not the state yeah i got you totally understood yeah we we got you i'm sorry i had to clarify but you opened up a good conversation so thank you yes thank you ben said deans is pulling the plug on a brain dead person murder analogy is disingenuous uh a better comparison is if dr set the brain dead person would never would fully recover in months and you still pulled the plug is that murder yeah that is a better example that is a better example apples to apples uh like when you say here boyfriend john says if you're gonna use a metaphor has to be a perfect metaphor yeah oh yeah if you're gonna use a metaphor analogy or anything like that you better make it perfect it's got to actually apply that's true uh yuki 91 says hi homila and taylor parker was on a previous jubilee episode called libs versus mods uh versus cons it was done a year ago and parker was so much calmer in that uh i guess we reacted i don't remember that i don't think we have i must have been we must have missed that one i think yeah parker has intensified since that moment probably from tick tock brain um minnesota nice again says question what do you think about girls that have a lot of guy friends do you think girls like them have a harder time committing because of all the free attention they get uh if so are they worth chasing big statement i don't know i don't think there's anything like crazy wrong with that i would evaluate the guy's friendships because typically guys are not friends with girls that they're not interested in some way shape or form there are exceptions do not get me wrong it's not a hard and fast rule but i would be evaluating like what form of attention she's getting from these male friendships and uh there's nothing wrong with having guy friends if she's like uh i don't like hanging out with girls i would evaluate that and be like why don't you like hanging out with women and why don't you have friend why aren't you friends with women is there something going on there um but no i would just like proceed with caution if there's a red flag there's a red flag if there's not there's not yes but also i would just say that if that is the pattern that she is exhibiting then you should keep an eye on whether she is putting you in that same friend zone that she's putting all these other guys apparently because if you're interested in her and pursuing her but she's not reciprocating in any way that's different from how she's treating those other guys then you're probably in the friend zone just like the rest of them yep uh bailey jacklin says uh first time catching alive just wanted to send some support thank you that's very sweet i'm glad you got to catch this live for the first time yeah thanks bailey molly says finally caught alive you guys made me leave the left when i was 15 i've been watching since the hreh collapse which love from scotland and hashtag drone 24 i love that and shout out hreh we love having her on the show we should get her on again uh love that girl so yeah and i'm glad i'm glad that you've been watching since then and we've contributed in some way shape or form to your your journey yeah it's so cool to hear i love that you're watching so yeah i'm like were we was that appropriate for a 15 year old they charged but yeah we would get it these days yeah you seen some crazy stuff at 15 yeah we're not going to be the craziest but also love that you're in scotland just got to go to edenborough and Glasgow with my wife and tour a little bit up there was awesome can't wait to go back um anthony cardona again says i got to admit i don't remember seeing you on jubilee do you have the names of the episodes you were on i would like to see your debates i've been oh that's been him yeah i've been on a spectrum episode which is liberals and conservatives i did trans women versus conservative women i did uh male feminist versus female anti-feminist i think is what i did and um is there anything else um i don't know if there's anything else oh i just did a plastic surgery versus natural that's another one and then i have another one coming out too and that i can't say what it's about so here you go i guess you can like search your name on her channel or something maybe yeah maybe um gordie gill says is circumcision amoral ooh maybe i'll give you a hot take i'm anti-circumcision and uh no there's no scalpel sizzle nothing coming near my child so i have a boy absolutely not um and i have a bone to pick with like women who run around saying like oh my god in the uncircum sizes so what a track they've blah blah blah uh uh uh and i maybe i need to make a video about this because i do have a very strong opinion on this but not my child absolutely not and the women who are enforcing the standard on men and making them insecure about whatever it is they got going on down there not okay ladies not okay sorry you go gordie you struck a nerve with me gordie yeah i guess um i'm just gonna go to the next one rainbow kid says every woman i know who has had an abortion carries it as a trauma that alone is enough for me to be pro-life could tells me that it's wrong yeah i mean i guess the the pro-choice argument would be to that um because sometimes you go through awful things for the sake of a better life or the sake of a better path or because something was forced upon you and that's the sort of argument that they would use for that and i'm sure there's uh many an example we could come up with of things that are not necessarily great but we end up going through because of our circumstances but i'm certainly sympathetic to what you just said and i would never um uh have an abortion myself and uh for those reasons i don't think it's a great thing to experience um and i think it's rare that a woman wants an abortion i guess is what i should say and it becoming more common now that people are saying oh i love i love abortion i love killing babies i got my abortion at the dnc you're crazy okay but i want to talk about like the reasonable people uh in the argument uh kris kurt creatives says remember there's no such thing as separation of church and state in any founding documents in any founding documents yeah well i mean that doesn't speak to whether or not it's necessary if that is true it doesn't speak to the necessity of it uh in my eyes uh danny says i think is disingenuous for democrats to say that abortion isn't ending a life they're lying to women abortion should be last absolute last resort i agree and i think we're almost caught up here a couple more um timothy says did you hear that shapelle roan said she won't be voting for trump she said it stood her ground instead of k-bick yeah i did say that i did see that i mean it's still consistent with the statement that she made of i don't feel pressure to endorse any candidate and maybe personally she's not going to to vote for donald trump i don't know if that means she's going to vote for kamala she very strategically didn't say who she's voting for maybe she's going to be abstaining from voting uh i don't know but felt the need to say i'm not going to vote for donald trump um yeah i think her clarification who is was fair given the amount of hate that she's getting but still people are hating on her and they're not satisfied with the clarification so it really doesn't matter what you say at this point they want a full fledged endorsement of convoharis or you've done the wrong thing morph says male is male and female is female sex wise but gender expression can be varied right well in a way when we find gender expression exactly i don't agree with this like separation of like gender and sex that we've been engaging in in the modern age i think you can be a man who expresses himself in a feminine manner uh or or comes off as being more feminine it doesn't change your masculinity and it doesn't change that you are a man in the same way that you can be a sort of masculine woman in that the traits that you have we typically attribute to men in masculinity doesn't make you a man or doesn't make you uh the gender expression of a man yeah here uh crimson rose says to me when it comes to abortions i just know the history of it and present day seeing where most of the clinics are is enough to prove it's still the same route races and much democrats yeah i mean there's uh a lot of uh eugenicist language in uh the creation of a planned parenthood and this idea that's being perpetuated with abortion i think people should look into that and think about it um the person who created plan playing hard is not necessarily wrong uh with the sort of theory they had about abortion and what would happen if it was allowed and on that happy note i think we are through today's super chance in the business marathon of an episode yes very long episode we've been out three hours and fifteen minutes guys and i think three hours and fifteen minutes is plenty let me know if we uh satisfied your curiosity with all the different answers we went through in regard to dean debating 20 different trump supporters did he hold up did we hold up let us know in the comments down below as always if you disagree with anything said in this video do get out in the comments down below we encourage healthy debate but do so respectfully and let me know do i need to make a video about the menendez brothers and being anti-circumcision because i'll do it i'll do it if you guys want the hot take i'll give you the hot take guys if you like this video like subscribe click the notification will be notified every single time we're live that's monday wednesday friday one p.m pacific three p.m. central four p.m. eastern plus eight p.m. universal time and we will be back tomorrow with a video what is tomorrow's video about gender TikToks that's what we're talking about 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Jubilee hosted a debate between one professional liberal debater and twenty Trump supporters. Let’s watch and react!