-Hey, Leo. -Hello again, Stephen. -I've been waiting a week to tell you something really creepy that happened in my life. -I'm already interested. -I watched this YouTube channel. I think it's called Chilling Scares, and I will put a link in the show notes because I absolutely love it. It is a show where a narrator comes on and will narrate stories from dashboard cameras, and ring cameras. -Okay. -And cameras of people like, "Oh, I was taking a walk in the woods at night, but it's all the really creepy things that happened to them." -Did you see this guy in the shadows in the background or whatever? -Yeah, people that are wilderness camping, and it's not a scary channel, they're a wilderness camping channel, but they will unzip their tent and find somebody standing out of their tent, like in the middle of the woods. Even if it's all fake, it's just very unnerving, and it really is the type of stuff that actually scares me, so I really like it, but I got to tell you something that I saw in there that freaked me out. It was a story about a kidnapping. It was about a person who was, for whatever reason, grabbed, thrown into a car, a zip tied, and then taken somewhere else. And so because these shows don't have a lot of access, they use a lot of B-roll, and it helps tell the story. You know, they'll show maybe the guy being interviewed, and then it'll show a car driving down the road. And so it showed this guy, with zip ties still on his hands, like talking to a police officer, you know, it's the body cam footage of him being like I was kidnapped and whatnot, and then as he's telling the story, it cuts to a car driving down the road, and that's meant to be the B-roll. Here's the thing, it was outside of my fucking house. -What? -It was B-roll. -Wait, were you right now? Yes, it was B-roll from my neighborhood. That's tremendous. I did the Leonardo DiCaprio thing, like I sat up and pointed at the screen like the gift. That's my house. Random B-roll of your house, I wonder. I mean, it's just B-roll. They're just taking it anywhere, you know, so for whatever reason, you know, there are companies that you can pay that just go around and shoot mountaintops and sunsets and traffic, you know, so that you can buy it, and I'm sure that's what this YouTube channel does. It's just so happened, they decided to use Boston, and since I live on a busy Boston street, they used that. -Yeah, no, that's happened to be that one, yeah. -For a story about Chicago. -Wow. Yeah. -That's crazy. It wasn't what a weird thing to, just holy shit, there I am. Yeah, it was so weird to see my own house. See, you built it up enough about finding something incredibly creepy online in body cams and all that, and I thought that my leaked footage was going to be talked about today, so I'm glad that this was in a different direction. So creepy, the Leo Sextape was one. -Don't look for that, you're not going to want it, I promise. -Look for it on our Patreon, that's where you need to look for. -Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. -Hey us, we'll send it, don't look for it. -The $10,000 tier. I'll dig the dark web for you, don't worry. All right, everybody, welcome to Spoils of Horror, my name is Stephen. I'm Leo, and this is episode number 146, Satan's Little Helper. Put an excellent day for an exercise, huh? Look at me, Damien. It's all for you. -I'm our number one fan. -I hope they are watching, there, see, there, see, and they don't know. -Pretty minds, you know what's going on. -I'm scared to close my eyes. That was you, don't. Whatever you do, don't fall asleep. Leo, this was the rare opportunity for you to watch a film that I have never once heard of. -I know right. -What made you pick Satan's Little Helper? -I had also never heard of this. I stumbled upon this movie completely by accident, actually. It's one of those situations where I was watching something on a streaming service. It stopped playing, but the autoplay feature just picked the next thing in line for whatever suggestion they had, and I'm watching something in the background, so I'm doing something else. My mind's divided. When it did get my attention, I started actually watching this going, "Huh, I've seen a lot of horror movies from the 80s, and I do not remember this one." And I just kept watching and watching, and then I realized I literally hadn't ever seen this from the 80s, because it's not an 80s movie. It's made in 2004, but the vibe of it is so fucking 80s that it actually had me thinking it was literally from that era, and I was compelled to watch it through the end. There's nothing overly remarkable about this movie, but it's fun, and it's a cute little Halloween film, and since we are at the first of October for this podcast, I figured let's start with a little Halloween pick. All I can say is, thank God. This is going to give a little bit of a hint of what I think about this movie. Anytime you pick a movie that I don't like, I am terrified that you're going to tell me a cousin made it, or like someone you loved made it before they died. It's deeply rooted to my past. I'm very nostalgic about it. Right. Right. Everything that's ever meant everything to me is inside this movie. That's a big relief for me. And a big hint to the audience. Right. But I will say, there is something funny about that autoplay feature, because it really does open you up to something you've never heard of that is straight to streaming, that is like the "drags of streaming," which is not the same as the drags of the video rental store. It'll be a very low tier barely made movie called Scarecrow Bride or something. Yeah. Somebody with like 300 bucks in their pocket in a camcorder went out and filmed the thing. Right. And it's four overly hot people. The cover is something that is like almost like the scream where it shows all the characters. Exactly. And something out of the new hills have eyes, a shot on a porn field, and a scary scarecrow. I don't necessarily think this movie is generic. We'll get into it. But it's that autoplay feature is pretty wild. Yeah. It's led me down some very interesting rabbit holes. So are you ready to cover this? Oh, hell yeah. Can see Satan. Hell yeah. God. I'm going to eat. You, you narrate. I love your silent. Dougie is really into Satan. He wears a Satan mask, has a Satan costume, and plays a game called Satan's Little Helper, where you kill regular people to win points and avoid the wrath of God. His sister Jenna has just come back from college for Halloween, and she brought her new boyfriend Alex with her. Dougie hates Alex instantly. After everyone drives home, Dougie searches the neighborhood for the real Satan, having been told that Alex will go with him for trick or treating when he wanted to just be him and Jenna. He finds a man wearing a long black coat and a horned demon mask and dragging a body across the porch. After a short introduction, our hero asks to become Satan's Little Helper for real so they can kill his sister's new boyfriend Alex. The person in the demon mask silently obliges. They come up with a plan. Dougie follows Alex to a nearby costume shop where Satan waits outside. Alex is lured into the alley behind the store, thrown around until he's knocked unconscious, then carried to a nearby house and left in the yard to mimic a Halloween display. Not to start at the end, like sometimes you like to do. But I never once even remotely tried to say Satan killed Alex and propped him up in front of a house because never once did I fucking believe that that happened. I mean, that's a fair point. Let's start with the beginning of this film where we're driving through a nice seaside town and we meet two of our three main characters, which are the mother Merrill played by Amanda Plummer and then the kid Douglas. They're having a very offbeat conversation at first. The movie opens with a little bit of a video game that the movie is kind of parroting, kind of parroting people that worry about video games causing violence. And so he's playing this game called Satan's Little Helper, which is basically you go around to Satan's Little Helper and kick dogs and throw baby carriages down waterfalls and kick people in the kneecaps and things like that. And then Amanda Plummer is also having a separate conversation as they're driving to go pick up her daughter, his sister, and he says he is in love with his sister. So he's gonna marry her one day, yeah, because he's gonna marry her one day, which when I was looking at this seaside town, I thought to myself, I wonder if this takes place in Maine, which that really crystallized that right there. It didn't have the right foliage. Yes, right. Exactly. When you take a seaside town and a brother in love with his sister, I mean, there you go. The way life should be. But he gets really upset really quickly, because she comes off the ferry and she has brought her boyfriend with her, which is a theater major. And I just wanted to really comfort this kid and say, dude, she's dating a theater major. Your chances with her are still really, really good. That is true. Exactly right. It's a theater major. Everybody's upset by this Dougie. You're okay. Yeah. Right. Exactly. First of all, 50% chance he comes out of the closet in the next six months. Then after that, 75% chance he's crazy. That's true. That's true. That's actually played out in this film. Right. Right. Exactly. And then it just, the chances just increase in your favor from there. They just keep going up. Dougie is also, I don't know, to use a modern colloquialism on a spectrum somewhere. I don't say that to be rude. I just mean, this kid is very specifically focused on one thing at a time. And this happens to be Satan, his new obsession, because of the game that he's playing, which is all at once simultaneously the coolest and shittiest looking video game I've ever seen in my life. It's like one of those old flash games where the concept is entertaining, but the quality of the graphics is atrocious. And he's playing it on this dollar general version of a Nintendo Switch. Looks like an old Nokia phone. Basically. And he's just really, really into the whole game, into the whole character. And at first you think, wow, that's cool, because kids are like this. And he's just really hooked on this one thing. It could have been transformers, could have been anything. And then you start to learn about Dougie and you're like, no, this whole family needs therapy. There's problems here. I hinted at the beginning of this that I did not like this movie. However, I can say a couple things that I liked about it right off the bat. And one is Dougie. I thought he was great. As a lead, he was a ton of fun. He was, he made me smile many times. He made me laugh several times. This is just a really charming kid. Even when he is wearing his Satan outfit, running around, saying to himself, you know, like, I'm going to be Satan's minion. I found funny enough, when he later on, he finds God in the movie, I found that far less charming than I did earlier in the film. When he's really into Satan, he's talking about, you know, killing people and spilling people's guts out. Because the whole point is that he doesn't know what he's talking about. He doesn't know what any of that actually means. And that is one of the things that I actually think makes him even more charming is that he's talking about blood and gore and spooky stuff. But he's talking about it in the way that you talk about mannequins and fake blood and things that he doesn't really know what any of it means for any of it to be real. But I found this kid to be really charming. He is a sad kid. And I love the fact that the movie plays up on that. He's very lonely. And there's some really wonderful scenes with him when he actually starts befriending. We're going to call him Satan. He's not really Satan, but it's just an aeration. It doesn't make it's really hard to kind of pin down this character because you never quite know who he is. So just calling him Satan makes the most sense. But Dougie, his relationship with him is kind of charming in a way and really likable. But nothing to your point was fucking sadder in this movie than that sad sack of shit video game. I don't fault people from making a game like we don't fault people from making a movie, at least you did it. But holy cats, that game is shit. And the concept of Dougie being such a sad kid has not lost on me because much like Jonathan in Terrifier, I was to some extent this kid at one point in my life, not quite as obnoxious as the word I want to use. And I'm going to double bound on that as well because a lot of reviews called Dougie, super obnoxious and annoying. I don't think he has he just strikes me as an average kid. I don't find him obnoxious at all. I agree with you. But there was a point in life where as a young horror fan, this was me, I got very obsessed with something. I got very into it. I didn't walk around in the costume 24/7 or anything like that. But I can totally relate to this kid and where he's coming from. And that in turn helps me realize that he does have a sad and fucked up life at home. We never really get into it in this film, which I don't hate. We don't learn about his past or anything like that. He seems to have a very nice family, a loving sister and a parents who care about him. But at the same time, there is something lonely and sad going on with this kid. And I find that to be a touch of realism. Yeah, listen, this video game really doesn't help. This just to give our audience the idea of what the video game looks like when you find out that somebody committed a horrible atrocity and then the police dig into their past and they say they were playing this fucked up video game they found online. That's exactly what this looks like. I think it's fair to say somewhere within this film is the hidden agenda of video games will corrupt your children. I think there's some sort of school board or parenting organization out there who funded it to have that message put in the film somehow. But I do agree with what you're saying. I liked Dougie. I thought that he was a nice kid. I think there's something just insanely likable about the way for a horror fan. He will hear about something disgusting. He'll be saying to Satan, you know, when he befriends him. Oh, are we going to kill Alex? Are we going to like rip his head off and Satan will shake his head? And he goes, yes. And I think that made me laugh. That was actually one of my favorite parts of the movie. That was actually what I felt was the strongest part of the movie was the relationship between Dougie and Satan, which I wish that they had just kept with and made more of a black comedy instead of actually trying to make it to an actual horror movie, which is one of my biggest complaints about this film. Because some of the humor really works for me. Some of it I found to be very funny. And that is actually note that I was going to dive into just to touch on this real quick in later, but it doesn't matter. We'll do it now. I really agree with you on the point. I think if they had leaned in more to the dark humor of this, if they'd done more Tucker and Dale style, let's get into it. Let's make it dark comedy. This would have been a much stronger hit for a film. While we're here across the board, all the actors are fine in this movie. There's no no issues with any of the acting in my personal opinion. And we get little pieces of drama. You know, Alex has a really bad father. We get up our main characters back to the house. I have to ask you a question. Am I misreading something here? Where is there something about the relationship between Jenna, which is Dougie's sister and her mother played by Amanda Plummer that is weird? Weird how. These two touch each other a lot. And maybe I just grew up in a loveless family, which I did. But these two are constantly in each other's face. They're constantly slapping each other's butts or touching each other on their shoulders is a whole scene where the mother takes the daughter upstairs and is like, Oh, I know you can be a sexy wench for Halloween. And then is like doing the string on her on the right where her breasts are and is like looking like your melons look great. This is just there's something a little odd here. I can talk to this in a couple of parts. One, I also don't come from a family with a lot of physical affection and love. So I don't know if this is a normal thing that quote unquote normal families go through, where they're just that comfortable around each other. That's possible, I'm sure. Two, there's some sort of psychology around this about the mom and the daughter being best friends more than having a parent and daughter relationship. Yeah, which is not necessarily a healthy relationship to have, which leads into all of the dysfunction in the household and Dougie. These are sad and all that. I think the third part of it really goes back to what you were talking about before. It is Maine. I was going to say, I think the last time I saw a mother daughter relationship like this was on Pornhub. It was called mother teaches stepdaughter how to pleasure herself. Right, right. And then they're going to go find boyfriend and be like, Hey, we got your trick. Right. Exactly. He was wearing the same mask as Satan in this movie. This is not a knock on the two actresses. It's just a little odd. There's just something about their relationship that's off. And I didn't know if it was supposed to be parody, but I just happened to notice it. And then I couldn't unnotice it. But that's not a knock on Amanda Plummer. She was really welcome in this movie. She's very funny. She went from marrying an acts murderer to having her husband murdered by a knife. So I guess that's something for her character arc. And look, she's just an actress that I inherently like. So I will admit there's bias here. If anybody saw the third season of Picard, she's fantastic as the villain in it. But I really love her overall as an actor. I think she's great. Yeah. Yeah. And she's very, she's very funny, comedic actress, but she's got a lot of range too. So she's very welcome in this movie. It's not that she is quite funny. I think also there's something about for the universe that we're in with this film, or I guess even in reality, inviting your boyfriend to stay the night at your parents place without any notice at all. And having mom just kind of shrug and be okay with it. I mean, you're on to something. I think there might be a few like holes drilled in the walls and shit like that on the house. Something weird here is happening. And also, I think what makes it even otter is that I just got no sense of the relationship between Amanda Plummer and her husband. I got to be honest, I must have missed something the first time I watched it. I thought he was dead until he showed up at the house later in the movie. But I just didn't understand how these characters really related to one another. I thought it was a little confusing. Look, there's the reviews for this movie are good. People liked it. Maybe I'm missing something here. Yeah, we didn't, to your point, see dad until the last quarter of the film and he only lasted about five minutes of it. So we didn't get a lot of back story. And as I said earlier, we don't have a lot of backstory about the dynamics of the family in white oge so sad and all that kind of thing. I kind of don't care. I think some of that is because what we keep talking about, I don't need a lot of backstory in movies. But also some of it is because this movie is just what it is enough that it doesn't matter. A good storytelling type story. It just popped into my head and I don't literally compare it to this. But it's like Jacko. That movie was so what it was that I didn't give a shit about who the characters were or their back stories or anything because I just kind of wanted that to be over. And this one's not that bad. It's not in that same camp. But I get the same vibe. Since you brought up Jacko, can I tell everybody about your birthday gift? Oh, yes, please. So I got Leo for his birthday, a cameo from Linnea Quigley, which of course, the star of some of both Leo and I's favorite films like "Silent Night, Deadly Night," and "The Dead" and things like that. But I got her to say to thank Leo for his fandom of the movie, Jacko. It was tremendously stupid of you and I loved it. I can say without question that is the trashiest gift I've ever gotten. It was very funny. She killed it. She killed it. She did. She was in on the joke and she did a great job. She was wonderful. Thank you, Linnea. You're ever listening to this? Bless your heart. Thank you. I love you. Yes. I want to take it to the scene on the porch, which is when Douglas is walking around. He's looking for Satan, just wandering his neighborhood, hoping for the best. If I can point that out real quick, he has a fit because they say, "Hey, why doesn't this new guy, Alex, take you trick or treating?" He wanted to go alone with Jenna because he's in love with her like little kids do. It's weird. He stormed off, said, "Fuck y'all, I'm out." They just let him run. There's something about this family where they're like, "He can run away. That's fucking fine." I guess it's because they're on an island and there's only so far he can go. I don't know. I found that weird. You said this was kind of an '80s throwback. I don't know, dude. Back in the '80s, I could fucking go anywhere. I wasn't-- That is fair. Tether to my parents like children now. I wasn't tied to their leg. This also is another compliment that I have with the movie is that the actor playing Satan, who Satan, for all intents and purposes of this movie, is actually just a regular person who is just wearing a mask and never speaks. But I do appreciate that his performance brings out personality. I actually think I understand what's happening here. He's killed someone and he's just dragging them out of their house and that's what Dougie sees, but he thinks it's all fake. But then when Dougie asks him, "Hey, are you Satan?" He says, "Yes." Then they decide to go back and forth and they decide to work together. I actually get it. I actually think that the Satan character actually thinks that Dougie knows what's up. I actually think he thinks that Dougie knows he's a serial killer. I think he is genuinely charmed by this kid and genuinely like, "Oh, you actually think what I do is cool?" Well, we can kind of form this friendship bond. It reminded me of the father and the son and trick or treat, the only part of that whole story that I like. Sorry, not sorry. We're in agreement that that's the only good one, right? Sure. Okay, fair. I didn't really like it overall, but if I had to choose, that would be the best of them, yes. I thought that was funny. I thought that was very funny. Anyway, so that relationship is actually what I think is happening here. I don't think that Satan is trying to trick Dougie. I should think he's genuinely forming a bond with this kid. I can go along with that. I never thought he was trying to trick Dougie. I thought he was watered down version of Art the Clown in a way where he was just really into this and he saw this kid getting into it and you're like, "Okay, this is funny. I can go along with this." Dougie immediately starts going off about, "You can go back to my house. My dad's gone. My mom and sister are alone." And he's like, "Ah, I'm a killer. There's two alone women at house. Let's go kill." And I think it was more of an opportunity as well as a playfulness in what he does. I also loved the personality that he is. He is a silent killer. And I guess I chalk it up. Okay, imagine Leslie Nielsen's version of Halloween, right? It's not quite that slapstick, but if we had some sort of naked gun dead and loving it, sort of Halloween parody with Leslie Nielsen under that mask, that's what you're getting out of this guy. And look, the comparison of Art the Clown is very good. It's not to that level. If that is the top tier of someone who is enjoying their own performance and enjoying their own killing, this is a step down or two. But worthy of the comparison nonetheless, I think it's pretty good. It is someone who is kind of enjoying the game of the kill. But there are scenes where that's not happening and Satan and Dougie are still kind of connecting. There are scenes where they're holding hands, walking down the street, which is meant to be heartfelt and well meant. There's a great little scene where Dougie's going to take Satan up to his bedroom and they're going to play with toys and they're going to smack around action figures. And again, it all plays kind of like Satan is actually trying a little bit. I don't think that Satan's a good person. That's not what I think. I think that he actually thinks that Dougie is a serial killer like him. Like up and cumber and maybe for this kid or whatever. Exactly. Exactly. So I think there is a real bond for me. I'm not saying I think it's a healthy bond. No, no, no. The fact that a child can run away from his house, the parents shrug it off. And then he finds a random stranger on the road to make his best friend says a lot about Dougie's mental state and the condition of his family and everything else. But I love a line that Dougie has when they are up in the bedroom. Dougie says to Satan, "I thought you were really busy on Halloween night, but you would rather spend it with me." And that is such a soul-crushing, lonely line. But it's perfectly well done. Not to keep belaboring that point, but it's really fascinating the more we talk about it, the more I start realizing how lonely Dougie was. And again, I don't care that there's no backstory around it. It doesn't bother me that they didn't dive into it, but it now fascinates me even more than when I was watching the film. What is going on with this kid that this is his best example of a best friend? And I know they threw some bullies in here and they're just cannon fodder, this bullshit, like, oh, the kid's getting bullied. Yeah, we get that. And I feel like they did that now as a way of explaining this, of saying why he's so ostracized and blah, blah, blah. But I think it goes deeper. And it's one of those things not now, but eventually I would love to explore. I think they also imply that Dougie's father hit him, because when Dougie and Alex go to the Halloween store and they're looking at various costumes, Dougie asks Alex, "Hey, did your father hit you?" And Alex says, "Any chance he got?" And there's like a little moment where Dougie actually connects with Alex, even though he fucking hates his guts. But there's just a little moment there between the two of them, which I thought was going to pay off in some way. I don't mean pay off in that they both have the same trauma, but I thought it would pay off in either building a relationship with them or Dougie feeling guilty about what he wants to happen to Alex, which of course he wants him killed. But again, the kid doesn't know what that actually means. So it didn't really pay off or go anywhere, and that's one of my frustrations with this movie. But I did like that moment, and I did think that it implied that maybe his dad was abusive. I do, though, want to say something about this costume shop scene, because Alex and Dougie go to the costume shop. The reason they do that is because Alex is trying to connect with this little kid. He's dating a sister, wants to connect with him, and he decides he's going to dress as Satan to make Dougie happy. And then he sits there, puts on masks, says that the masks look like his father. His father was Satan and proceeds to play out his trauma, like every Gen Z or I've ever met, who desperately needs some poor listening kid to sit there as this theater major, like practically as a monologue about his trauma in front of this kid who's just trying to buy a Halloween costume. I didn't know if we were going to save this for the second section or not, but I got a lot to say about this. Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up. Not you, Leo, not you. No, no, no, no, we can dive into it. Why do I start? Jesus, I have met so many people like this. This quote, unquote theater major, if you're going into theater, because you think it's better than therapy, and it'll help you through your fucking mental troubles, so that when you go into a goddamn Halloween store, and you want to be Satan, and you pull up every old man mask because, and I quote from the film, "I need to find one that looks like my father, so I can really get into the role of who Satan truly is." Boy, howdy, you need some inpatient care. Get the fuck off the stage, get the fuck off my streets, and go get some help. I have no love for somebody who says they are an actor and act like this. Can you imagine if you said your kid along with somebody who is like, you know, oh, this is their sister's boyfriend, and this sister's boyfriend went in the costume shop and tried on wings and was like, well, I want to look like my mom who left me starving for five days. Fuck you. I'm just looking at this nine-year-old kid with a tear in his eye. Did your dad hit you every chance he got kid? You have no idea how terrible my life was. Throws his hand up to his forehead and faints slightly. I have had such a terrible life. Fuck off. You pretentious piece of shit. I hate these people. I wonder if this costume shop sells handcuffs and radiators so I can go as a small child who was handcuffed to the radiator for three full days while dad went on a gambling binge. Jesus Christ, like, not everything is about your trauma. I'm only choosing to be Satan for you, kid. What I wanted to do was starve myself for six months so that it could really waste away like I did when I was 10 years old, incorporate the role into my soul and fuck off. I can't deal with this shit. Well, I guess I'll put on the pieces this bear costume because unlike you, I had to wear furs because I was left out in the wilderness for weeks on end. I can't imagine. Jenna seems like such a nice girl. What the fuck are you looking at this guy who has had to, if you're bringing him home for Halloween to meet your family, you have had to be in a relationship with him long enough to deal with this whiny, emo egocentric bullshit on a regular basis. You've had to have nightly therapy sessions with this cocksucker and you're you're still into him. I don't understand why. I'm just imagining the different scenarios that are playing out as poor Dougie is like sitting there with his eyes wide and look to go down his eye as this kid is like living his trauma, you know, looking at these Halloween masks, you know, trying to figure out some thing in his dark soul that he needs to work out. You don't imagine him picking up a thong and being like I could never be my true self. What do you think you're gonna be an actor? You think you're gonna be some sort of homosexual? What are you gonna do here, kid? Jesus, yeah, like, yeah, this is like some fucking dark shit. Like this is like this is like split, you know, James McAvoy in split playing. Yo, this is some, this is some Anthony Perkins level psycho, like I'm gonna, I'm gonna dress up as my mom and then I'm gonna play out my trauma in front of you tonight. I love the in another movie somewhere in an alternate universe. He put on this mask and corporate it as father so well that he just started beating the shit out of Dougie right there in the store. I'm like fucking curlers and rougher and shit looking at and being like, you don't like boys, do you? You only love mother. Dougie is like, your dad seems to have traumatized you too much. Pick something else who picks his mom and it's worse. Yeah. Jesus Christ. I'm sorry. I just couldn't get over the scene. It's like a 60 second, you know, two minute scene, but I just thought how fucking weird that this 22 year old is trying to play out his drama in front of this kid and look like you could say the movie's a black comedy and you could say it's going that way. But man, it doesn't mean I can't make fun of the character. Oh, even the best black comedies we're gonna fuck with. But this hit a nerve with me, I guess, because I remember going to see a play, a friend of mine, her boyfriend had done this. This play was a 90 minute fucking therapy session about his detailed horrific past, which wasn't even that horrific. One character played him. The other character played the cool version of him that he always wanted to be. The other one played his dad. The other one played the girlfriend that loved him, but didn't love him. It was so vomitus, this fucking production. And we all sat there at the end of it. He's like, I need honest feedback. I want to know if you guys like this or not. And we knew him well enough that that's not what he really wanted. So we all just nodded and said, no, it was fine. It was a really good show. We could see the message you were going. One dude that was with us went, that was shit. The fuck was that all about? This guy, I swear to God, was on suicide watch for three weeks afterwards. I'm like, you can't be this person. You can't you can't be this is not art. This is not acting. This is you seeking help in the wrong places. You need a therapist. You need psychiatric treatment. You need medication. I like to think that Dougie looked at Alex immediately afterwards and thought, I think I'm going to go into STEM. Dougie and Satan go home to find his mom and sister. Jenna thinks it's Alex under the mask. Satan is aggressive flirts with Jenna and makes mom very uncomfortable, all the while keeping his mask on and staying silent. It's clear that Dougie is enjoying the fun and attention of this mysterious person while Jenna is suspicious of his actions, but still sees this as a harmless prank. Dougie and Satan go to the grocery store to buy candy for trick-or-treaters, but Satan has other plans. He puts packing tape rope and knives into the cart and rolls it out the front door without pay. When a cashier confronts them, Satan stabs him with a knife and throws him in a dumpster. Dougie crawls into the shopping cart and is driven around the parking lot, hitting innocent people while accumulating points, just like in the video game. They go to a nearby house where Satan kills a sweet old woman handing out candy by tossing her out the window with a noose around her neck. I have to admit that one of the things I don't like about this movie is just simply an aesthetic choice that I think is worth bringing up even if people don't agree with me on it. I've realized that there is a charm that I find in old cheap filmmaking from the early 90s, the 80s, the 70s. I love that old cheap acting style and that bad filmmaking and I love the graininess of film. I find those movies to be rewarding in some ways. But there is something very different about cheap digital filmmaking that just does not ring true for me. And I'm curious, Leo, I think that you are a little bit more open to this than I am because I remember when we were watching Cadaver Christmas. This reminded me of Cadaver Christmas a lot because it had that same sense of really low budget digital. Now, of course, look, there are movies that are made for low budgets on digital that are very different than this, but there is something that I just don't find as fulfilling when I'm watching a movie like this, where it's not all coming together, but there's a sense of gumption because they made a movie when no one else could. There's just something that is so clean looking about this movie that I find a little off-putting. Do you suppose then that they had the money for it? Well, so I'm fascinated by the money because they had $650,000 according to what I found online to make this movie. I hadn't looked into it. And the reason I want to make the comparison is because Terrifier II that we just finished covering had $250,000. And it's probably one of the best looking movies I've seen in several years other than maybe Romulus that I just saw, which was just a visual like pleasure. I almost called it a visual pleasure fest, but that's a different kind of alien movie. It's a very, very different alien movie. Porn parody. Yes. It's also seen on Pornhub. It's available for download if anybody's looking. Anyway, my point being is that what a difference in a movie that is basically $400,000 more expensive than Terrifier II and who knows, maybe marketing costs are in there and not in there. That stuff can get a little wonky. My point being is that these are drastic different looking movies. And there is just something that I don't find as enticing and exciting about this kind of digital filmmaking where everything just looks so clear and crisp, but isn't shot dynamically in any way, shape, or form. I think that's where I can, I was going to say relate. Really, it's not the right word. What you said rings true to me, wherein the cleanliness of this film because of the digitized version of this film, it might not be the best comparison. But when we talk about these new transfer copies of old films onto 4K digital Blu-ray, and they're cleaning these movies up, in one way, it's great because I'm seeing the movie in a new way that I've never seen before, and it looks amazing. In another way, it kind of sucks because all of the things that you got to hide are now out for everyone to see. And my greatest examples of this, I guess, Evil Dead is one of them. I grew up watching that movie off of VHS copies that were clearly sometimes copies of copies, so the backgrounds were black. I couldn't see anything but the main characters and what was immediately behind them or shit like that. The first real digital transfer that film I saw, I got to see the backgrounds for the first time. I got to see inside the cabin. I got to see all kinds of shit. I'm like, wow, I never even knew that was there. That's cool. At the same time, there were a couple of camera shots that you could see the roof wasn't on the building because they were using the upper area to shoot downward shots and things like that. And you could see strings floating eyeballs through the air and stuff that you never should have been able to see that made the movie look cool because it was invisible to you. And I think when a movie spends this much money to look this clean, there is something inherently wrong about it. Even if it's not right out in front of us like we can see the wires or strings or whatever, it just in our brains and our minds makes us feel like something's off, something's not quite where it ought to be. And it's not quite quote unquote real. If you watch copies of Halloween 1978 that come out now, you can clearly see Tony Moran's face when he gets unmasked. Whereas it was much more shadowed when I originally saw the movie, you know, back in the 80s. Exactly. It's very clear that you can see his face now. It actually doesn't bother me. I actually think it works for the Halloween film because it really re-emphasizes that he's just very human. But that film aside, it does talk about how these things change. And there is just something that is so different to me about a low budget film that is basically made with a digital camera. And everything's very static and very clean looking, then say a movie Jacko, which was terrible and incomprehensible, but didn't look the same and didn't have that same sort of like something I could capture on my phone. Yeah, I go with that too, because there's something about the quality for this much money. You're spending more money than Terrifier. And Terrifier came out as a better film. And now that does that speak to the cash flow? Does that speak to the quality of the directing, acting, writing? Does it speak to? We use all of the crowd funded money to put it directly into this film and make it amazing? Or did we pocket a portion of that and go with a lesser budget to make something that was good enough? I don't know. I wasn't there. I'm not suggesting anyone did anything shady. I'm just saying there are different ways of going about this that would lead to the quality we're seeing for the amount of money put into it. And it's too bad because this was another moment the movie peaked my interest because I like the idea of this black comedy about a kid whose "Friends of the Serial Killer" doesn't quite know it. I also like the idea of a movie that connects that to a very uncomfortable, again, almost Terrifier-like situation where you have the mother and the daughter having their boundaries constantly crossed. So we have a scene where Dougie brings Satan home and Satan starts really crossing their boundaries. He gets a little sexually aggressive with Jenna, but she thinks her boyfriend. So she likes it. He gets a little weird with the mother. And I thought this discomfort was interesting. And I thought, okay, we can play up on this a little bit. And this will be a pretty good way to take the story. But it really leaves this point, simultaneously leaves this point behind and yet belabours it because it doesn't really stay on this idea of constantly orbiting in the house making the characters uncomfortable. Yet, it continually needs to keep tricking the characters into them thinking that Alex is the one behind the mask and not a serial killer. And it was just not long afterwards. I just did not buy that any of these characters were stupid enough to think that the person that was behind that mask wasn't a stranger. I agree with that. I could see Dougie being caught in his delusion and needing a friend so bad and blah, blah, blah, that he would look past all of the shit. Like, even when this guy goes up and is groping his sister, he's laughing about it going, this is so much fun because he thinks it's all an act and he thinks it's all part of the game. That's kid logic. I get that. But when you're talking about a mom, when you're talking about a college age kid, and she's only just known this guy for a little while, and maybe it's her kink. Maybe she's into it, but he's gotten this aggressive with her sexually for the very first time while he's wearing this mask, et cetera, et cetera. That's a red flag. Mom, looking at this guy going, you just invited this person to my house without telling me I was willing to accept him here, but now he's acting aggressive and weird and strange. Why wouldn't you speak up about that and go, OK, this is over. We're not doing this anymore. Take the mask off. Right. And I think that that's just also there's weird pacing in this film. There's weird energy levels. And it's so stuck between a movie that actually has a pretty good idea and a pretty fun execution and a movie that's so bad that it's good, but it is neither. For me, for me, stuck right in the middle because Amanda Plummer's performance is almost so over the top that it gets into like civil dancing level. And then it kind of becomes its own sort of weird greatness. And so it could have one of the elements that I always say is necessary for a movie that's so bad that it's good, which is that you have to have a choice that is so catastrophically off, but it's so weird and out there that the movie fully commits to it. And the movie doesn't really have that, but it could if they'd gone a little bit further with her weird character. But then also, at the same time, you have a relatively good idea, which is this kid unknowingly forming a friendship with a serial killer. And so you get stuck in between and it creates this weird pacing. And I think that weird pacing is so present in the scene with the grocery store, because they go to the grocery store and they don't really play up on the humor of Dougie thinks they're there for candy. And Satan is just grabbing like duct tape and forks and knives and, you know, all this stuff to take people up and kill people and kidnap people. Instead, what they do is a scene lasts a little too long. Then they go out and they try to cash out at the register. For some reason, I guess he needed to have everything bad because they need to run everything through the register. But then he doesn't pay, which I'm fine with the fact that he's made. I'm not like morally upset that he didn't pay for groceries. I don't know if the two actors that they hired to be behind the counter of this, you know, of this cash register were fresh off a Xanax commercial. They're not present. It's true. They're both dressed up. No, the one of them is dressed up probably when the other one's just a clerk, unless his costume was store clerk and he didn't really work there. I don't know. But neither one of them looked like they existed in the scene. They looked like props like somebody could have put a mannequin there and done just as well. I've been at stores before where people tried to rob and people are a lot more quick to intervene. This guy looked like he was comatose. It's just an odd moment. Like there's just no energy coming from the two of them and they're small characters, but you're right. He walks out as if they forgot to pay for something and he knows that they stole. He knows that they just literally walked away, but he walks after them as if they just forgot their receipt. And so it just like kills the energy of the scene, which is too bad because, okay, then he turns around. He stabs him, throws him in the dumpster. I get why it's not gory. I get why it's quick because you can't have Dougie know that this guy is actually dead. You can't have that register in his brain. But then it leads to this sequence where they're trying to make fun of the video game. Dougie is riding inside the shopping cart and they're going around and they're basically knocking into people, gaining points like it's a video game. So here's what I appreciate about it. It has a politically incorrect vibe to it. It's not cheating. It's not trying to just, you know, it's just not him hitting like normy white dudes. You know, it's he's, you know, he's pregnant lady and there's a pregnant lady and there's a baby and a blind guy. And so, okay, it has that funny, like politically incorrect vibe to it. But the tone is so off the music is so muted. And what it needs to be is that brilliant scene with the baby from Dead Alive. It needs to have that level of like energy and I get the fact that I'm comparing it to probably like the best of the best when it comes to horror slapstick comedy. But these shots are so awkward and weird. It just doesn't really go anywhere. I think that dives into what we're talking about early on as well where this movie would have served itself better by leaning more into the dark humor. If we saw more from like, we're watching the cart scene from Dougie's point of view, but if his little kid vision saw a number go up every time they hit somebody like 50 points, 20 points, that would have been funny. I appreciate when they hit the baby carriage, you heard the baby cry. So, you know, it wasn't just a carriage full of old cans or something. And they actually, right, like they went through with it and said, yeah, that was actually a baby. And I'm like, OK, good for you. Most movies don't do that. But they certainly could have leaned more. I feel like if it was a Leslie Nils in parody, they would have really played more into the strengths of what makes this absurd and what makes it funny. And that would have given it a stronger vibe, a stronger film. Right. I would have launched that baby into the stratosphere. Exactly. Let's just knock the carriage over and make the kid roll down the street. Right. And just make it like more horrible and more horrible and more horrible. You know, you're the one that's picking to do this humor. If you're not comfortable with this humor, that's fine. You don't make the movie. And the problem also is that quite frankly hitting somebody with a shopping cart is not all that dangerous anyway. This is not like he went on some sort of mass killing in the parking lot. This is a mass bruising. This is an inconvenience. This is a mass scratching. 10 people at the local stop and shop were scratched today because some kid in a double costume riding in a shopping cart hit them. If he had taken all of those knives that he stole from the store and zip tied them to the edge of the cart and then went running through the parking lot, that would have been much more hilarious. That would have been that over the top sort of thing that we needed for this scene to really dive into that area. Imagine if trauma had done this. I was going to say the same thing. Those people would have been exploding. Exactly. They also would have been in bikinis. As he know, he knows what the fuck he's doing. He knows what we he knows what the audience wants. Exploding people in bikinis. Guys, guys, we've been doing this thing for a while. And I think it's about time we make a trailer. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So here we go. Let's get this thing. All right. Ready? All right. What's going on, everybody? We are dissect that film. I am Brett. I'm Dan. I'm Angela. And wait, wait, wait, wait, guys, I have an even better idea. What if we had somebody with an epic voice spell our show in a way that our show actually isn't? What do you say? Yeah. That's perfect. All right. Let's go. Your host, Parker, Dan and Angela, slice and dice their way through the good. If it pleads, we can kill it. The bad. You brought the devil inside the room and the ugly movies you love. And you can't piss on hospitality. I want to allow it. Hold your favorite films and franchises tight because they aren't safe. In fact, it's already too late. It's time to dissect that film. I wish our show is what that guy just said. But you know what? If you want to listen to our awesome show, dissect that film, you can listen to us on YouTube and on your favorite podcast apps every single Friday where we talk about all the wonderful films. Good, bad or ugly as that epic dude said back there. So until next time, I'm Brett, I'm Dan, Angela, and we'll see you all again next time. Satan and Dougie continue their killing spree, even though Dougie thinks it's all a game. They murder Alex's dad and roam the streets looking for more victims. When the cops show up, Satan stays behind to handle the officers while Dougie runs home to his mom and sister. When Dougie's father shows up, it's a brief, happy reunion until Satan murders him with a steak knife. Merrill is threatened with a pizza cutter and kidnapped while Jenna tries to call the police. But the entire police department has been murdered. Alex wakes up, finds Jenna, grabs a gun, then they run to a nearby Halloween party to rescue Merrill. They break into a Halloween shop and steal costumes so they won't be recognized. Meanwhile, Satan has bound Merrill with plastic wrap and is dragging her around the party, enjoying the thrill of parading her around and humiliating her in public. He finds a bottle of Drano, dumps it into the punch bowl, and watches the party goers poison themselves. When Alex and Jenna arrive, they rescue Merrill before she suffocates, but Satan escapes. So now we meet Alex's father, who is in his shower at home, getting massage from a woman who he works with, who's also in the shower with him, implied to be his girlfriend or woman that he's sleeping with or whatnot. I don't have much to say about her other than that her audition consisted of walking up in front of everyone, confirming that she would do nudity, and then saying thank you and leaving. Basically, that's pretty much what her role is in this movie is to be the boobs and butt that walk out of the shower. I think I agree with you that necessarily there's no bad acting in this movie, but that's easy to say when all the acting is on the same level, which is this level where somebody showed up said, I'll be in their movie. Oh, will you show us your tits? Sure. Okay, you're in. That's not much acting required for that. Do I get like a special credit or an extra $10 of my check or something? Like, yeah, it will give you more film time than the other guy. That's all right. Exactly. Look, trust me. The camera's going to stay on you. If you're willing to be naked, camera's on you. So we meet these characters and it really just exists for a red herring later on because they pretty much immediately get killed as Dougie and Satan are going on this killing spree throughout the town. So while we're on this killing spree, I thought it was a good opportunity to ask you a question. What do you like about this movie? I like the charm it has. It feels like an 80s slasher, a very low budget one. I think comparing it to Jacko is perfect. Having said that when taking away my feelings of that film and just taking it for the vibe, the overall feel of a old 80s slasher, I could just as well compare it to Killer Workout or one of those types where it wasn't a lot of money and it wasn't necessarily great, but it was kind of fun to sit down and watch it. And like I said, when it just happened to come on, it got my attention. At first, I was watching it to be like, have I never seen this before? And then I just watched it because I really want to see what happens. So it can't be that bad of a fucking film if it's going to make me interested enough to stick through to the end. And that's what fascinates me. You literally said what I hoped you would say because what I thought was true. This movie hits you in the way that those movies do for me. I find Killer Workout endlessly entertaining in a way that I don't find this movie entertaining. And so it fascinates me our differences on that. That's what I find really interesting. And I think that there is just something about this type of film that's like early 2000s shot for a couple dollars on digital that you find to be much more charming than I do. I don't know that it's that deep for me. I think I found Killer Workout far more entertaining. I laughed more with Killer Workout. I laughed more with iced as shit as that movie was. Thanks for the reminder of that one. There are definitely films that have had my interest a lot more than this has and have earned my adoration a lot more. But I don't know, there's just something about this one when I saw it and I watched it. I'm like, this has to get on the show eventually because it helped me to the end. I wanted to see what was going on. I wanted to see where they were going to take it. There's a lot that I agree with you about that it does not work in this film and it would have worked better how they got another direction, et cetera, et cetera. But it's cute. It's charming. I struggle to figure out to where the parody starts and when the movie is actually just trying to be a horror movie. So all the characters end up back at the house. And then the dad shows up. He's a businessman and he starts talking to his kids and he starts talking to everybody. And there's something about this guy that just like really threw me off. Everything about him looks so fake. I thought he was a trick or treater. And I know that they try to play up on that a little bit. But then, but everybody's confused, like, aren't you a trick or two? And he's like, I'm your dad. And it's like, wait, do these people not know what their own father looks like? Is this, is this supposed to be a joke? Is this supposed to be funny? I couldn't quite figure it out. But look, I'll give the movie this. If I rewatched it again right now, the film might be a look at me and say, dude, come on, it's clearly he's making a joke and everybody's in on it. And that's fine. It wouldn't help. What doesn't help is that his costuming in his hair and his mustache all look fucking fake. I'm sure they're not, but there's just something about this character. He looks a little young to be playing Amanda Plummer's husband. I don't know if this is another porn hub scenario. Imagine somebody took a college student, put a Bert Reynolds mustache on him, found a wig that they said it was good enough, put him in a trench coat and a suit, said, you're the dad, here's a briefcase, get on the scene. That's what this guy looks like. Exactly. He walks in, he gives Dougie a hug, doesn't even recognize his own daughter, who has just come back from college, doesn't even say a word to her. And then is almost immediately killed. But surely they're afterwards, the mother is threatened by Satan with a pizza cutter, which is the equivalent of threatening somebody with toenail clippers. This is going to sting just a little. It's going to leave a rash on your neck. You're going to be itchy for about a week. It's going to be fucking frustrating. You're going to have to hold really still for me to use this pizza cutter to cut off your head. Can you imagine? See, there you go. That's trauma as well. They would have used the pizza cutter to decapitate somebody, no matter how long it took. This person would have been here until the ending credits sawing through that head. First of all, yes, if this is a trauma film, yes, they would have taken the while they would have put it on the fucking wooden, like the willow wooden plate and they would have put it in a pizza oven and they would have they would have done the whole scene. I never could figure out whether or not this was supposed to be funny or serious. And look, if you enjoyed this movie, not you Leo, but anybody listening enjoys this movie and thought, Oh my God, I thought that was hilarious when he pulled up the pizza cutter. Fine. I'm not here to review the movie. I'm just talking about my own experience with it, which is that I looked at it and went, what? I was just confused. And I just never found some of these moments to really clarify whether they were meant to be funny or they were meant to be serious. And to your point, what you've said before, that's one of the detriments of the film. It doesn't have a clear view of where it's going. I'm going to say jump cuts. There weren't literal jump cuts, but jumping from one emotion to another from let's be afraid to let's be silly to. And I'm not even talking about where they're like, okay, the kids in the parking lot killing people. And now they're over at home with people are freaking out. That's a natural cut to a film. Two different points of view on the movie. I'm talking about this scene where they're all together in one house. Jenna already suspects that it's not her boyfriend under the mask. She's losing her mind trying to keep everyone safe while at the same time not get this guy to kill everyone. Then he kills the dad. Then they're like cool with it. And then Dougie's like, Oh, he's my buddy. It was so much all at once going back and forth between the emotions and the characterizations. And are we going to be goofball? Are we going to be serious? Should they be afraid of this guy? Or is he going to put a fucking surprise balloon? Nobody knows. And it's hard to follow when your movie doesn't even make sense in the first place. Yeah. And I really think that they could have up the level of gore on this movie. If you want to make it a black comedy, you've got to kind of go a little further. Literally, everybody in this movie is killed with like steak knives and small things that you can easily pick up at the drug store. You know, it's just really no sense of, you know, there's a lot of bodies that are found in this movie. So we're going to get to the this idea that not only has he been killing people that we've seen, but he's literally killed almost everybody in the town. And then he's killed the whole police force. And instead of going all the way with some fun over the top gore, which then would include me in exactly what this movie was going for. It is these Saran-wrapped police officers that have, you know, basically the plastic wrap around their head, who he has suffocated, which totally confused me. She calls the police and there are four police officers that are wrapped up in plastic wrap. Yes. And so that means that he had to literally strangle one, then strangle the next one, then strangle the third one, then strangle the fourth one. I don't know if this was a group of people that didn't get along generally. Or if the fourth one just thought he was going to get real lucky and they were going to run out of Saran-wrapped by the time. It was like, one of the puns, two movies where everyone wanted a time went up to them, even though the results are the same. Right. Exactly. They were like the fuck clan. They can only fight one at a time. So, you know, and again, if you would cut to that police officer, like that police station, and it had just been like a gory fiasco, like their limbs were hanging from the Christmas tree and like, you know, in their head was sort of like up on one of the police polls, then I would have gotten, okay, this movie's ridiculous. This movie is just going, it's swinging for the fences, but it's just so muted that I couldn't tell if it was taking itself seriously or not. Well, and this scene amplifies it pretty perfectly actually because there's a moment way early in the film when Jennifer comes home from college and there's a news report on the television about somebody I guess they went to school with who became an arsonist. And now we cut to this point in the film, the police station is burned down, killing all the cops except for two or three of them. And we're meant to make the connection that those two things are related. It took me three viewings to get that connection. It didn't work. It didn't fly. Meanwhile, dad dies. It is what we will call the money shot of the film because they actually show him lifting the knife up through a sternum, pulling his guts out and tying them to the chair and next to him. But you can see how poorly it's done, how inexpensive the guts and props are. You can see the fake chess piece sticking out of the guy's shirt when it shouldn't have ever been shown in the first place. And again, for the amount of money you spent on this film, when less money can bring us something like Terrifier, to have this quality and have this be your biggest kill and have it be that lame, your connections to earlier parts of the film don't pay out. Your biggest kill in the movie doesn't pay out. Your comedy doesn't really pay out. We don't know what you're doing. And this one moment really, really exemplifies that. We're talking $650,000 in 2004. Right. Also, yeah, that's $250,000 in 2022. Right. I don't know. And I'm not trying to knock on somebody, as we've always said, you're making a film. Congratulations. I've never made a film. You're great. It's better than Fatal Games. I don't know, man. It's that sticking point. I agree with you. I feel like I'm repeating myself over and over. I'm trying not to do that. But when you're going into something like this and you're doing your best, great, but are you doing your best really? Because this feels like just some sort of project you slapped together to get a good grade in school rather than a decent film. Well, and it's not a knock on low-budget films. I mean, you and I fucking adored bloody muscle bodybuilder in hell. Jesus Christ. I want to smooch that movie. I love it so much. And that had everything on strings and wires, but that movie knew what it was. Even if it was a little unintentional, even if it was. We knew exactly what it was. And I just struggle sometimes to figure out what this movie is. It has a little bit of a vibe of terrifying. Even the terrifier hadn't come out yet, but it reminds us of what's to come. It has this black comedy. It's also going to start to remind me a little bit of Halloween 4, which is sometimes when a movie reminds you of a better movie, it's not great. And so this starts to remind me of Halloween 4 when things start to go really berserk. Basically, all the police officers are killed. And so this place is supposed to be like Martha's Vineyard. It's supposed to be like a nice well-off seaside town. And you kill four cops, and all of a sudden it turns into Manhattan Island in escape from New York. It's just like, I was like, these people are fucking rioting. Like this place turns crazy. Oh, yeah. Every single time that we see a shot of the town square and our heroes are running back and forth through it, you know, trying to save this person, trying to save that person, trying to get a gun, trying to get a car doing all this other shit. People like fucking throwing rocks through the windows and they're practically fucking in the streets. And it's like, this is the purge level shit. This is crazy. That's the one. I escaped from New York. Perfect example. Purge is where I went to because this fucking town, this quaint little sweet little town, which by the way, I had in my notes to compliment this for being a traditional old fashioned neighborhood full of fall foliage and Halloween decorations and trick or treating the way it used to be. And I'm like, that's amazing. I actually missed that. I like seeing that in this movie. That's great. All it takes is one night for three cops to die. And suddenly everybody's gone, batshit crazy. There's murder and rape and robbery and destruction. And by the way, how did the news of no police around get out that fast? And even if it did get out that fast, why are you all so psycho that the moment the cops aren't there, you lose control? Look, we'll get into it. We start covering purge movies. And I really like the first purge movie. I'm a big super fan of that movie of the first one. But like, there is just something that's a little ridiculous to be about, you know, these movies where you've got like some old lady like looking at the wind, like out the window into her town. And she's like, when those four cops bite it, I am just going out there and flash my beaver everywhere. I can't wait frothing at the mouth to go and like throw rocks through windows so they can steal baseball trading cards. So those old movies from the 50s where they teach you how to have etiquette or behave or wash your hands or whatever. But this is teaching you how to sharpen knives with the family at the dinner table. You're so right. Like the level of drama on this is like the level of drama of those old, like, if your kids smoke weed, they'll go fucking crazy. Exactly. Yeah. We just get what we drug don't let them hear it. It's gonna be insane. Exactly. Like this is like a defund the police ad. This is like, hey, if you don't have four police officers, this is like, this is like one of those like anti defund the police campaigns. Like, if you don't have four police officers, it's going to be fucking crazy. People are going to lose their minds. Which brings us to other people losing their minds and that is a rich people Halloween party. Yes. Because holy fuck, what is this thing? I have never been to a social gathering like this in my life. And I've been around for a good long while. Yep, exactly. This is an incredible, incredible Halloween party to castle, where everybody's costumes has no risk at all of any sort of trademark issues whatsoever. Because there is every generic costume you've ever seen, thousands of the Halloween parties in your opinion, the worst costume at this Halloween party. I am fascinated by a really weird little thing about this Halloween party. So first of all, yeah, all jokes aside of like people are dressed like the queen and a character made a boy made out of wood, a really long nose that is definitely not Pinocchio. Yeah, Edward knife hands. Like we were talking about the last episode, you know, different things like that, just all these generic costumes. But there is just something that this movie focuses on in this scene that I just thought was so odd and you're going to think I'm super woke. So let me make my point here before you think I'm going in a woke way. So I'm watching this scene and I'm looking at the crowd, I'm thinking, okay, is there like anything that we can crack some jokes at in here, you know, some funny costumes or whatnot. And I see a white lady dressed as like a geisha and I thought, okay, you know, like maybe there's something in that. And then I see another white guy who's dressed as a Native American. And then I see another white guy who's dressed like a Mexican. And then I saw the plethora of men dressed as women. Yes, like there's like a lot. There's like an excessive amount. 25% of the people at this Halloween party are men dressed as women. And we're not talking about men dressed as women as in their dress like a character from like, no, this is a drag show. This is their just men dressed as women. Yeah. And I thought that this was so weird. And the movie focuses on it. And there's actually a part where they where you meet two characters that are going to drink out of a punch bowl. And somebody says, Oh, what's your character? Who are you? And they say, we're a he-she. That's the one. I just thought this weird focus. I don't know if it was supposed to be like politically incorrect humor. But it wasn't really like, like it was no joke. And it was weirdly focused on like, look, there's a white lady in the geisha. Look, there's a white Mexican guy. Oh, big. Oh, you know what I mean? Like big dude dressed as an Indian. Yep. What was this all about? That's what I'm saying about the rich people party. I don't understand this. I don't know if it's meant to be a political statement. I don't know if it's meant to be. Oh, we have all the money so we can be as offensive as we want to. I don't know if they're just that ignorant. I have no fucking clue what the he-she is. It's literally, I assumed, like one of those old carnival side shows where you're a half man, half woman, they were dressed in the same outfit, walking around together. Yeah. Well, it didn't make any fucking sense. However, the film made in twins, I couldn't figure it out. That's what I'm saying, right? Like maybe that sure. But then the film made it a point to focus on them and have one of their fucking side actors go, what are you supposed to be? And they went, we're a he-she. And I'm like, what does that mean? What is this? Why are we focusing on this? There's a thousand other people at this party that we could have been introduced to. There's these two had to be put to the spotlight. There's scarecrows and generic people dressed like rocks. I know. A light socket or a french fries. We could have seen any of them. A tree, anything. And look, I'm not, look, I'm not, I'm not against politically incorrect humor. I have the whole idea of white people in costumes. I have no fucking idea about, I have no idea about this issue. This seems to be something that the richest of colleges obsess over. And most people that I know of color could care less about. But my point being, yeah, when you're like poor, you're not really thinking about like, what is Harvard doing at their Halloween party? You know, I heard somebody dressed like a male hairdresser and they acted a little gay. Like, kick them out. Like, this is not, this is not what poor people care about. This is not what they think about their next meal. They don't think about this shit. And so I don't really have like a strong opinion on, I have no idea. I've heard all different sides of this debate. But the movie is just so hyper focused on this. It's so weird. And I say in drag, not to be offensive. What I'm trying to illustrate with that is these drag queens, the professional ones are amazing. They're so good at putting out fits together and representing themselves in a way that you would never know. There was a man underneath all of that. And it's wonderful. It's great. Yeah, I love that shit. I think it's amazing. When I say it's a drag show here, I mean to infer that these people are so well designed and so committed to their characters of being a woman. That it's weird that you would go that far for this movie, let alone this Halloween party. But and there's so many of them. The characters act like they're basketball players. Exactly. Like they did this for a one night only thing. We're not talking about Priscilla Queen of the desert where this is like professionals, right? They're like going through the Australian desert, you know, singing songs and it's like a moment in their life. Like that's a great, that's a great movie about, you know, like about, you know, people in drag one. That's a fantastic movie. What I'm talking about that. We're talking about the weird production design. This is where they're $650,000 when this party is what all fun to expense what they do. Right. And they're taking football players and being like, you are really into this outfit that you're clearly wearing one night only. And that's what's so odd. They're not. This isn't a party with a bunch of drag queens at it. This is party with a bunch of people that are playing these roles, but playing them like weirdly. Well, this sounds like some brain worm that you and I are having weird. I don't get it. This is what we do on spoils of horror. We find very idiosyncratic focus on them. But I think it's because there is a lot of time spent at this Halloween party. And also you said something about me and Terrifier two, which I thought was very apt, which is that you said I often focus on empathy. And I really liked that because I think that that's very true of me. That doesn't mean I don't have a problem with cruelty and horror movies. It's just way I feel things. So if I'm watching the green Inferno, I feel empathy for that first guy that gets horribly killed. But that doesn't mean I don't enjoy the horror movie or enjoy it. Whatnot. And I actually prefer that over being scared. I actually like feeling the empathy that's just more like interesting to me in a horror film. But this is talks about a movie that uses it wrong, uses it wrong, wrong, wrong. Because all I feel bad for is Amanda Plummer in this scene, because she's been tied up in this plastic wrap. And I get what they're going for. The killer is enjoying the game. It's like in rope. He's enjoying the game of how close he can get the kill to everybody. He's parading her around in plastic. She can't speak. She can't move. And so he's enjoying this game that he's playing of like, oh, I'm going to kill you, but these people think it's all a prank. We're going to have fun. But I just found the way he treats her in the way she's constantly running into walls and tripping and falling over and no one will help her up. I guess this was supposed to be a parody of the rich. All I just felt was like sad and bad for her. This is a group of people. I couldn't tell if these were her peers or friends because she was supposed to bring a quiche to the fucking thing. So that indicates to me that she somehow friends with these people or knows the host or something like that. On the other side of this, it could be that she's just very excited to be invited to the fancy party for once. Maybe it was a work party because her husband seemed to know these people. They knew he was going to come dressed as an elf or whatever. I don't really know the correlation to this. What I what I see is a bunch of elitist douchebags watching this woman hop around and fall on the floor and her eyes are literally screaming for help and they're like, oh, you're so in character. What a love. Oh, you just so entertaining. We we adore you. And then they walk off and leave her there. And they make this big deal about the quiche too. And I understand that the quiche thing could be a joke. But when I say it could be a joke, it tells you how the movie doesn't really work for me. Because the whole movie earlier on, she's trying to say, oh, I have to make the quiche for the party. I have to make the quiche for the party. And it's one key she makes and then she accidentally forgets like gets left behind because she gets kidnapped. So then they get there and there's this supposed to be this funny moment where they say, Oh, do you didn't bring the quiche? This is a party with 500 people at it. Right at a castle. What were they going to do with one quiche split it down to the Adam and I also think they spent enough money on this location and this party that they would have had catering. I think somebody else could bring the fucking quiche. Right. What is it? A prize that one person wins? Like what is the raffle at the door? What the fuck are you going to do with one quiche and a 500 person Halloween party? And look, again, somebody probably says, well, it's a joke and it's making fun of, you know, like these hoity-twenty parties where you have to like bring something you're supposed to bring the certain thing that you're told to. I get the fact that there could be a joke there, but it never like plays for anything. And it just left me confused. Here's the thing about a joke. Jokes are funny. Jokes, at the very least, we understand. Even if we don't laugh at it, I don't laugh at every bad dad joke that gets thrown at me, but I recognize that they're funny. I like wordplay. I'm a Marx Brothers fan. I enjoy comedy of that stature. Sure. They're not all great. They're not all funny, but I at least recognize that it's humor. It's a black comedy. So let's say, for instance, that they did this scene a little differently. It was not at a big castle, but it was at like one of those hoity-twenty like Martha's Vineyard houses. Yeah. And he and Satan and Amanda Plummer's character come out of the front door and she was like clearly beaten up and had survived this night and whatnot. And they had looked at her and gone, "Oh, you know, you're beaten up and you look so gross. You look so terrible. But did you bring the quiche? Oh, you didn't. You're gonna have to go home." You know what I mean? Like, okay, there's parody there. Now I understand what we're making fun of. We're making fun of these like, you know, these hoity house parties for the rich that, you know, that you have to have this like you have to like bake something as like a barrier of entering. Right. Right. You know, like, sorry, but did you see the invite? Like, we understand that you're suffering and that you're really having or like, let's say she'd come crawling to the door, like she'd escape Satan. She was like, "That man's trying to kill me." And they're like, "We'll let you inside, but did you bring the quiche?" You know the rule. If you didn't bring something, we can't let you in. It's on the invite. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Right. That would have been comedy. I would have looked at it and go, "Okay, maybe it's not my thing, but I get what you're doing." Right. And then he had come and grabbed her foot and dragged her away. You know what I mean? Like, right. Yes. Okay. Now I understand what we're making fun of here. Somebody's in distress and somebody's having a tough time. And then also, "Oh, I'm sorry, we can't let you in because you didn't like fit the rules of our fancy dinner party." And I think that that's just what's so, again, this movie, it's one of those movies that's trying to do too much. Notice how we haven't talked about Dougie and the devil at all because that's totally lost now. That's totally not part of the story anymore. And that was the most enticing part to me. That was the part that was fun. That was the part that was interesting. And I think your comparison to trauma earlier is apt because for so many people through our lives and our show here and everything else who have bitched and complained and whined and moaned about them and their humor and how far they go and everything else, at least do you know they're trying to be funny? At least to get it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And look, you can do a light. You can do a light version of politically incorrect humor and make it work. We both sung the praises of Wolverine versus Deadpool. That's light politically incorrect humor. Like, it's, you know, it's, it's not that far, but it's, it's the Disney version of it, but it's like, but you can do that. That's fine. And if they had been trying to do something like that, you know, if there had been a scene talking about the costumes again, when they had been, you know, where the, the character had like, you know, stood in the doorway and been like, Oh, sorry, like you, you can't come in because of the quiche. And then had done something to indicate that all of their costumes were, you know, were highly vetted for their sensitivity. And then it showed like men dressed as women and white women dressed as Gisha's. Right. Like that would have been a funny joke of like, okay, you haven't really thought about this at all. You know, when somebody, you know, some white guy and a black dynamite wig, you know, it's like a blonde afro. Right. You got the comb in it. Right. Exactly. You know, then I could have been like, okay, I know what you're going for, whether I agree or disagree, it doesn't matter. What you're going for is these white people who have a fucking dumb that they can't figure out what's an offensive costume. What isn't this movie just is so uncommitted. Alex runs into town and tries to confront Satan, but he's quickly disarmed and given a misleading clue that the person under the mask is his own father, who we know is already dead. Jenna picks him up. They drive to his house, see Satan standing by a tree and shoot him. When Alex pulls off the mask, he sees his father. Back at home, Dougie has been praying to God for forgiveness and help. The doorbell rings. It's someone dressed as Jesus. Dougie is excited that God is sending help, but Jenna quickly figures out what's actually happened. Whoever was inside the Satan costume is now wearing the Jesus costume and the killer is still alive. Merrill arrives and everyone hears a noise in the basement. They grab weapons, walk downstairs, and see Jesus standing in the corner. Jenna hits him with a fire poker and Merrill stabs him with a knife. When they pull off the mask, they see Alex's dead body underneath. Dougie tries to flag down a helicopter outside when the police arrive because everything has become a demilitarized zone and now there's helicopters flying around. We don't see his face, but the officer who arrives takes Dougie's hand, walks toward the house, and spray paints a six under the 66 of their address posted outside the front door. The officer is wearing a mask. He walks inside, closes the door, never saying a word. We finally get our one clue about who this actual killer is because the minute he walked into that house and painted a six under six, six, I thought to myself, that's a fucking teenage boy right there. This is a kid who's a little bit more emo than Alex was. That's some edgelord shit right there. That's right up there with turning one of those sixes around having to be 69. Jesus Christ. So this is a point in the film where at the minute that it became clear that the villain was trying to trick Alex into thinking that it was his own father under the mask, I thought to myself, boy, I have every idea where this movie is going. We're going to get into a whole bunch of scenes where different people think somebody else is underneath that mask and the mask is going to switch around and there's going to be different people in different places. And we may actually never figure out who this killer is. Some of that I enjoyed, by the way, some of that I did not. But it gives our listeners kind of a sense of like what this next part of the film is. It's basically a series of different costumes and different people in different costumes and people that are knocked out and put in costumes so that characters will kill them and think that they are safe when they are not. I actually enjoyed to some extent, like you said, this scenario because earlier on when the killer kills Alex's father, his father believes it's Alex in the costume goes to backhand him as Alex has said has been done throughout his entire life. And the killer learned that so that when he meets Alex later on and Alex thinks it's his father under the costume, he does the same backhand move and Alex automatically responds to it as if it was his dad. I think that's clever. That kind of shit in a horror movie I like because you're seeing somebody learn, you're seeing somebody evolve, you're seeing somebody take the opportunity that's presented to them and use it later on to their advantage. That's good storytelling. Right. It's a shame they only ever had at this one time in the entire film. But sure, it's good. I also didn't mind too much the idea of him ditching the Satan costume in favor of a Jesus costume. I thought that was actually fucking hilarious. Dispatching of the Jesus character happened a little quicker than I would have wanted it to, not that I want all of that at the end of the movie to be prolonged too long. But I just feel like that could have played a little better or a little longer to land harder. Maybe that's just I think the way these characters are used is quite frankly, just a little bit. They save too many characters for the end. I think that Alex should have been killed when he was knocked unconscious much earlier in the movie. I think that he's a giant nothing burger, nothing against the actor. The actor is actually fine. But I just think that there's just nothing there. And they do this really edge lordy moment about halfway through the movie where when they knock him out, the Satan character grabs a little cat and smashes the cat up against the wall. And that's meant to show you old danger. And the reason that you need that is because quite frankly, it's just so obvious that Alex isn't dead. I think he's been knocked out. And I think it would have just been better to kill him. By the way, funny story real quick. When I was watching this movie and the Satan grabbed that cat and crushed it against the wall and used his blood to write boo. You don't see many cats die like that horror movies and literally my cat was watching the movie with me and she watched the movie. And then she looked back at me right at that moment with like a little bit of judgment like I was watching a snuff film. Hey, what the fuck did you just do? What? Yeah, this is disgusting. This is the cannibal Holocaust of cats. I am chitting on your bed tonight, sir. But I think that he should have died right there. And I think that the whole trick of okay, now the killer is going to dress as Jesus is going to knock somebody out going to put them in the Jesus costume so that somebody tricks someone into killing innocent. I think that could have been done with Jenna and her mom. Absolutely. I agree with you 100%. I think Alex stayed too long in this movie. I think even if he wanted to put Alex in the costume to throw them off, he could have been dead way back at the beginning. Then this guy could have just grabbed him off the porch and stuffed him in the costume for a joke. It still would have worked. We just didn't need him to be there for it. Right. And the narrative actually has the story beats right there, which is that you kill off Alex early. Then Jenna tries to save her mom, saves her from suffocating, but then says, all right, like, you stay here, mom, I'm going to go and I'm going to find this killer. But then the killer gets the mom still. Yeah. Knaps her again. And then when Jenna basically goes down to the basement and beats the shit out of Jesus and then kills Jesus, the reveal is that it's actually her mom. Right. That would have worked. I would have loved that. Yeah. Yeah, that would have worked. I don't know. It's really challenging because I don't like looking at somebody else and going, Hey, you did this whole thing. Here's how you could have done it better. I know. I don't like that either. Like, I don't want to be that guy. I don't know. I guess that's the whole point of doing a show like this is this is just us not reviewing the film saying I walked out of it thinking this. I walked out of it feeling this. Sometimes with a movie like this, I can't help but put my little director's head on and go, here's how I would have penned that scene. Here's how I would have made the movements or made the characters. I'm not saying my version is better. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying when I'm looking at this and I'm not impressed to the point that it can cause me to rewrite your script and come up with a better idea that says something about your film. Bad reviewers, in my opinion, focus on what they wanted to see in a movie. This is why really social justicey reviewers can be so insufferable because they will write a review very much in terms of these characters should have done these things because they would have meant something to someone. You'll see those kinds of reviews out there. You know, so-and-so was done dirty. You know, if they kill off Sienna and terrify her three, somebody's going to write an article that says Sienna was done dirty. You know, she didn't get what she deserved. You know, that kind of thing. Poor reviewers focus on what they wanted the movie to be. Good reviewers focus on whether or not the movie tried to was able to achieve what it was trying to achieve. Is Terrifier 3 an effective, grimy Christmas slasher, for instance? Is Castle Freak a good hammer-esque horror film? You know what I mean? Like, you know, you get what I'm going for. You go and go on for. You know, you don't compare puppet master movies to fucking, I don't know, Interstellar. I was just very curious what movie you'd find to compare it to. Although, a mashup, I'd be very interested in. Full Moon features. Go make it. You guys need anybody. You can just make that happen. Go on. I will, I will donate $5 to a Kickstarter for that movie. My point being, I'm not trying to be a bad reviewer. I'm not trying to review it at all. I'm just trying to talk about my experience with the film and make a fun show. That's all I'm trying to do. But at the same time, I couldn't review the movie if I wanted to because I don't really know what it's trying to be. That's my issue with it. And if it's going to be a black comedy, fine, we can kill off the characters. We can make it really goofy. We can have, you know, Amanda Plummer get in the Jesus costume and get killed at the end and she has a very funny death. You know, we can keep going with it and we can keep going with the jokes. But we've talked about joke rhythm before. And one of the reasons that we loved Return to Nukem High is because the joke rhythm is on for that movie. There's a joke every like, every like minute. And 95% of those jokes are funny. Boom, boom, boom, boom. But this movie for a black comedy has like a joke every five minutes. Every when you consider the runtime of this movie, that's not great. Right. You know, right. This movie is long, longer than I thought it was going to be. It was like two hours or some shit for this film. It's hour 40. And I felt it every time. Yeah. And watching it this last time before the show, I was like, holy shit, this is going on forever. I didn't realize. And the reason it stands out again, that shouldn't stand out. You should just get through the end and go, whoa, that happened. Wow. I don't know. It's what we're talking about. I'm pointing out the things I see. I'm pointing out the things I feel. We're talking about useless characters like Alex. I've talked about this hundreds of times before. If the movie can go on without that character, and you would never miss them, then the movie didn't need them. I think Alex served a good purpose up until he got put on the porch, quote unquote dead, should have been dead. I agree with you 1000%. At that point, his character was done. We didn't need him anymore. It was useless to have him in the end of the film up till whenever. And maybe that's it. Maybe they're going for comedy. They should have been going for dark comedy, but the dark comedy they're going for just doesn't land. Maybe that's all. I don't know. Which is too bad because there's neat stuff at the end here. First of all, kudos to them for making me think I saw a helicopter I never saw. Good on them. That's like a guy on the roof for the flashlight. And they did a very good job on it. They did a very good job with that. I thought I saw that helicopter. And then when they showed it, it was just a flashlight and I thought to myself, that's some good low budget filming right there. They really win that moment. Yeah, credit where do these guys? I don't know where they spent all their money, but they did spend it in the right ways in some ways. And giving basketball players fabulous, dry clean costumes. That's where the $650,000 went to. But I also love this ending too. I really actually dug it, which is that Dougie runs out of the house and he flags down this, this helicopter, then he runs over to the car and he tries to call it down. And then a police officer walks up and you never see his face. I immediately smiled because I thought to myself, this is the ending I do want for this movie. Maybe it could be a little bit more comically punchy or maybe it could be a little bit nastier and it could lean more into the darkness of it, whatever. But when this police officer shows up and he walks inside and he spray paints the thing and when they show, they kind of show the side of his face and he's got a mask on that it's like got a really, really, really big chin, which kudos to them for finding the only Robert Zadar mask in existence. It's so fucked up. I had a very similar joke, but I was going to do his camel mask. That's very funny. I love it on the same page like that. Oh, God. I thought Jesus Christ. Is this a cameo from maniac cop? This is amazing. I liked that those two are in the same universe now. Yeah, I think that now I'm more interested. Dougie, whether he has some sort of illness, mental health thing, what have you is tremendously the most gullible fucking kid on the planet. I know I understand. He's dealing with Satan and believing that. And then Jesus comes to the door, but he was just praying to Jesus. I'll give him a pass for that one too. The cop, like how many times are you going to get fooled by the same fucking gimmick? Honestly, I know you're 10 and you're a little lonely and you're a little slow, but Jesus Christ kid. This with this kid, Jesus Christ, he'd taken a fucking rottweiler that was killing somebody. I know. He'd take Koojo and it'd be like, are you are you the God that I just prayed to? Mom, I found the dog outside. Can we keep Jesus Christ? If he fucking prayed for a friend in the Xenomorph showed up, he'd be like, come on in. It's so gullible. And it's, I think it's actually sweet. I actually thought the 666 thing was stupid. Yes. If the movie had just showed the cop follow him in, I don't even think you need the mask on the cop. Nobody knows that this kid fucking looks like, and you had just zoomed up and maybe showed like the bottom of his chin or showed something else that indicated he was the killer, not the, not anything goofy. But just indicated that that was the killer and he'd walk inside and close the door. That would have been a great ending. Not him painting 666 or putting a fucking pentagram or being like, termin around and giving two double birds to the camera or anything like that. His whole fucking family needs to die. Let's get them done. On that note, I don't know, it feels silly because I think we've set it pretty plainly up until now. But what do you think? I really liked the cameo by Robert Zidar. That was a favorite part of mine. Look, this is not Campbell Holocaust. It's not Jacko. It's not one of the worst movies we've ever watched on this show about long shot. Not by a long shot. It's not fatal games. It's, you know, I wasn't a big fan of Cadaver Christmas. You know, it's not, it is what it is. And this movie has some things that I actually liked a lot about it. So number one, I love Amanda Plummer. I do think she's funny in the movie. I think that she is a welcome part of this story. And I would love to see her in more horror movies that are not this one. Yes. Yes. We, you and I agree, she's just one of those actors we like. You know, she's just always welcome in a movie. Number two, I like the kid playing Dougie. I don't find him annoying. I think he's fun. I think that the story of a lonely kid who accidentally gets caught up with the serial killer and doesn't quite know it is a winning story. That is a movie that I really, really like to see. But I think the kid was great. I thought he was really likable here. You know, reminds a lot of us of when we were kids. I mean, I used to just like Jason Voorhees. Every Halloween, I was Jason Voorhees over and over and over again for years. And, you know, and I loved it. And I would practically wear the costume with pride like he's wearing his devil costume. I get it. I totally get it. And also, when you are a little ostracized and a little weird, you kind of identify with those characters. So all of that, you know, I found really fun. And I actually loved the character trait that they gave him that he didn't totally understand what he was doing. He didn't understand fantasy versus reality. So when that does become real to him, when his father gets killed, that all really worked for me. I really thought that that was fun. And I thought that was an interesting idea. Good ideas for a better movie. But my God, but outside of the main characters, I just don't really feel like this movie knows where it's going. It's not funny enough to be a comedy. It's definitely not scary enough to be an effective horror movie. I kept thinking of Psycho-Gorman, where you have the relationship with the kid with the and the horrible villain. And that's just a much better version of that. And then you have when it turns into a slasher at the end. And then this character is just like weirdly powerful. He's able to kill almost everybody in this town. It just doesn't come together for me as to which one of these movies it's trying to be. And I just want it to be a little stronger in each one of them. I was rooting for this movie. I was enjoying it right off the bat at first, you know. I was like, okay, you know, we're making some off-kilter jokes and this whole thing where this kid wants to be Satan. I was like, okay, like I'm in. I'm in for this. And then it just kind of goes nowhere. I always think that people should go see a movie. Go see this movie. Go see this movie. It's worth your three bucks. It's worth your four bucks or it's worth the fact that you had to buy a month on screen box because that was the only place you could find the movie. And your co-host doesn't give a fuck about whether or not you have a streaming service or not. And so he just picks movies and he doesn't really care if you actually have access to that streaming service. And so you have to buy it for a month just to be able to see a movie. But anyway, I digress. I thought you could rent it for a four bucks out there. Screen box. See, we were making a case to you a couple of episodes ago that you should be working with us. And now here I am getting people to sign up for your show to see the movie. I got Stephen to sign up for you in that time. So listen, we're doing the work. We're doing the work. Give us. We're doing the good work. So the good work of the Lord, the devil. Look, should you see it? Of course, you should see all sorts of horror movies. You should see lots of them, good ones and bad ones. And I'm not trying to say that you shouldn't see this movie. Maybe you'll like it better than I do. Maybe it will connect with you. This movie just did not connect with me. It's going to be a short recap for me in a way because I agree with everything you said. So I don't feel the need to repeat all of it. I think for an hour and 40 minutes, you would presume this film might wear out its simple concept. You'd be right. I think you've said it best this movie started great and I was invested right off the bat. Like I said, I thought this was an old 80s movie that I had forgotten in time. And it got my interest enough to keep me invested. But it fell apart somewhere at the one third mark of the film. It just and didn't really recover. There was good moments. There was good characters. There was good this time, the other here and there. But it really didn't just stay good. And that's a shame. I agree with you on that as well. I think it had potential to be more. It had the ability to truly encompass the Halloween season, the spirit of the holiday to the point that this would have been one of those movies that you watch every October and recommended to everyone. You know, it genuinely had that promise. It didn't deliver on it as maybe well as I would hope it would. I guess as with every other film, there's people out there who love it. There's people out there giving great reviews of it. There's people who are going to completely disuse me and be like, I watch it every year. And that's fine. Whatever. You do that. So I don't have to. Great. I think it's really not scary until you start to think about how a naive child was responsible for letting a mask wearing psycho into his family's house, willingly causing many innocent people to die. And that, I guess if you're looking for a horror movie about parenting skills or about therapy needs or things like that, this is a scary movie. But outside of that context, it's not not even a little. I think the movie sums itself up by its ending credits. I don't understand why you can't just center the fucking credits. Like every other movie throughout the history of time has been able to do. But for some reason, you don't. And I thought maybe it was an artistic choice, or maybe they're going to have those little here's the outtakes at the end of the film or whatever. No, no, they just fucked it up. They just didn't do it right, except for the title of the song that they used in the movie, which was perfectly centered. They could get that right, but not the rest of it. And I think at the end of the day, that just really tells you exactly what this film is all about. That is such a Leo criticism. I picture you threw down your controller and kicked the TV, art the clown style. What you guys didn't notice is I took a long pause before I said that, because I was like, Stephen's going to read me for this one, but I didn't want to say it anyway. Man, I was thinking to myself while you were talking, because I always think about other things while you talk. You know, what loping off 10 minutes of this movie, how much that would improve it. You know, there is a point where once they go on their killing spree, where it's just like, we walk here, we walk there, we go to the house, we come back from the house, we get separate, Dougie gets separated, Satan goes over here, they come back together. If you could just streamline a lot of that, this movie would be a lot better. Not cut any jokes. Just keep the jokes flowing, keep the jokes moving. Yep. Exactly. I think if they had bothered to put all of the scenes, we're dug in Satan, we're outside in one lump, make the majority of them out together one thing, and then they come back to the house is another thing. That Satan's little helper. This is not a movie that I'm going to like die on a hill that if somebody loves it, I'd like, that's fine. Yeah, you know, if somebody's like, Oh, I love this, Satan's little helper. Fine. This is not cannibal Holocaust where I'm going to look at somebody and be like, why the fuck do you like this? What is there to liken this? Yeah, it's not just not that kind of movie. On that note, then that ends us on the movie. And I guess we'll see you all next week for a big one. This is going to be Hellraiser. They actual Hellraiser original Hellraiser Hellraiser with pinhead pinhead Hellraiser. It's going to be a good time. I'm trying to sell it as a used car. I was saying that I was stalling because Steven leaned into his camera and was paying attention to what I was saying in a way that looked like his camera froze. And I was waiting for it to clear up and yammering on waiting for it to clear up. Now I just sound stupider than I usually do. I should do that every now and then just to see what little say about me when I'm when he thinks the camera's not on, I should just freeze in some weird position and heaven be like that fucking piece of shit. That was really funny. Yeah, that fucking moron. We shut the fuck up about Satan's little helper like he's so fucking dumb. Oh, we get it. We get it, Steven. You're not reviewing it. All right. Nobody wants to hear see the wine. So we're going to leave. Bye. Bye. [Music] [Music] (upbeat music)
