The Auxiliary Gate - Kentucky's Horse Racing Discussion
Auxiliary Gate 193 - Jason Cook And Roddina Barrett
Now, the Auxiliary Gate. This is Travis Stone, voice of the Kentucky Derby. You're listening to the Auxiliary Gate podcast, helping people go to sleep quicker since 2020. Hello everybody, welcome to Auxiliary Gate 195. It's October 1, 2024, fall is right around the corner, or maybe it is fall right now. I'm not 100% sure. I didn't do farewell in the sciences in school, but I want to introduce my cohorts. Man on my left has to read the instructions on a shampoo bottle, speaking of none other than Alan Schneider. Alan, welcome to the show. Thank you, I was off for a week or so, that freakoff thing you mentioned, it takes a little bit of your time hanging with Diddy and stuff. So if you don't mind, if you don't mind, I'll stand to do this podcast. They may not be the best idea, so. I have no idea where that's going, but we're going to not talk about it. You got it. We're going to introduce the other host of the show, a man that even Bob Ross himself admits is an unhappy mistake, Jeff Riggs. Oh man, that's pretty tough to even get Bob Ross there, because there are all kinds of happy little trees and everything and birds, I mean, I could at least be a bird, right? I'm bringing the heat, you all, I just want you to know in advance, bringing the heat. No expense to spare it. We want to remind everybody that our podcast is available wherever you listen to podcasts, Spotify, Apple, YouTube, iHeartRadio, and now we're on Pandora. I did not know until last night that Pandora is owned by Sirius XM Radio. Did y'all know that? I did not know till right now we run iHeartRadio and Pandora. I just said, I guess I don't keep up. You need to read your own press clippings, it's done a world for my ego. Also want to remind everybody to like, subscribe, follow the podcast, leave a comment, say something good about me, I don't care what you say about the other guys, say something really horrible about Brandon Jagger's, just say something nice about me. Alright guys, we got a lot of ground to cover, as always, we're about 15 links behind and a quarter mile to go, let's talk about the week that was in Kentucky horse racing. Hit Show earned a 98 buyer winning the Lucas Classic on Saturday, you know, really a nasty racetrack, but rallied from behind and got up for the win late over the mic maker train Cook Creek. Guys, any thoughts on Hit Show? I think he was off about three to one somewhere in that vicinity, a really nice race horse, not grade one caliber, but a really nice race horse. Jeff? Yeah, I mean, I thought he ran well, Cook Creek was my best bet of the day, so I was not happy when I saw Hit Show just bounding home through the slop at the end, but I mean, Cook Creek ran well too, but I thought Hit Show was pretty impressive, I've always thought that he was you know, just kind of kind of a step below where he needed to be to really succeed at that level, but it seems like he's going really well right now, so it'll be interesting to see where he pops back up next. And honestly, with these older horses, I mean, the breeders got classic, it could be anybody's racing, and these aren't exactly the most scary lot overalls, so any improving horse has to rate a shot come our way November right? Trainer Brad Cox was uncertain on Hit Show's next start, actually this horse was privately purchased by Walkman Racing after his win in West Virginia, that's a name you're probably gonna hear a lot of in the coming weeks and maybe coming years, Walkman Racing, I cannot pronounce the name of the guy that owns it, that outfit, but he is not from here, let's just put it that way. Three technique, one of the ACAC stakes earned a 94 buyer, that's a one turn mile, your Churchill downstate. He ran down a really nice field of three runners, Calliostro was one of those, and Tumba Rumba, and I forgot the name of the other horse, but the stage rate was zero, and that's the brother to justify, right, half brother to justify, yeah, three technique, ran them all down in a nice effort, we'll talk about three technique a little bit later though, as it pertains to our guest, we want to throw out spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, but we want to throw out some laurels to our friends, first of all we do want to say, Brad Cox won the Oklahoma Derby with Most Wanted Sunday night, Most Wanted won the Ellis Park Derby back in August, so that was a nice effort, had to re-rally and beat a horse named EJ won the cup, so a nice win for an Ellis Park graduate, Alpine Princess won the Remington Park Oaks, and she won on behalf of our friends at the Fuller Run stable, that's Dan Glick, and company, and some other partners as well, congratulations to Mr. Glick, and Alpine Princess was really loaded for bear that evening, and she may have a future, absolutely, and I think Dan, in the interview after the race, he didn't say, for sure, but I think he handed maybe something like the fall city, going to have to face holders, the fall city is I believe on Thanksgiving at Churchill, so look at that, I think it's a very logical spot for that award, that's what I would pick, yeah no doubt about that, and classy and connected, we want to shout out to Daytona stable, that's Bob and Lee Butler and several partners there, classy and connected, wanted a starter allowance race last week, and looked very impressive doing it, and we might reach out to them maybe for a shorter interview soon, because that filly is on the improve, and she broke her maiden out in the anagram, not even in the anagram anymore, it's horseshoe in Annapolis, and now has two wins under her belt, and yeah, very nice filly indeed, wish I won her, so I'll tell you what, yeah, just probably to say the same thing I am, is real quick, that horse is kind of a middling maiden auction type horse, but I mean they persevered the source, Tom Drew persevered, and it was the prototypical light goes on on a rain source, and since the light has quote unquote went on, she's been very impressed in the last two stars, right Jeff? Yeah, yeah, definitely, I think the light bulb angle for sure, and definitely has some more room to grow, you know, there's upside there still, but with this trajectory that she's on, and I also just wanted to say it was a fantastic ride from Brian Hernandez as well. Yeah, Tom's very dreams, and yeah, they took advantage of the maiden auction system, which is probably one of the best things that's happened to Kentucky Racing in a while, it allows people that don't buy half million dollar yearlings to take part in the circuit around here, and it then you know, keeps people afloat. And I want to say real quick, and as no one seems to talk about this either, where did Torpedo Anna get her start in a maiden auction restricted race here in Kentucky? No one talks about that. She's not the only one either, so yeah, great, great program. Lacey Pierce, another former podcast, won an allowance race, a $140,000 allowance race with Laura's charm, the Philly that she just funds with the right spot for them. I, and this was on dirt, a Philly that usually runs on turf, but just a fantastic job with Laura's charm, so they picked up a really nice foot, $80,000 purse there, and that's good for them. Absolutely. Yeah, she didn't get a lot of opportunities, probably should get a whole lot more, but hopefully this will open some eyes. We want to have her as a guest host one time, I'll take off on Lacey come in, she's that good at this stuff, so I'd like to, I'd like to give that. Yeah, she's a good talker, and yeah, fun, fun, she was a fun guest that evening. Like Irving Mankata was our guest last week, he, he racked up a few wins this past week, so yeah, congratulations to him. All right. What about the Queen V? Michelle won something, she won. Tell me when the second race on Saturday evening. Was it Saturday Saturday? Yeah, Saturday evening, that's correct, yeah, one easily, one easily. Yeah, exactly. All right. Before we go to our guests, what else we got here for every young, we're recording this on Tuesday evening for every young who was third place finisher in the Kentucky Derby this year, returns to the races, leave this race is in the wee hours of the morning, well, maybe not the wee hours, maybe around 7 a.m., at a racetrack called Oi, Oi in Japan. Oh, she didn't really, Oi, okay, boy, it's a, and he's facing a really nice horse named Ramjet, but for every young, if he, if all goes well, he's going to race there and then go to the British Cup Classic where he will be a contender. So keep that on your radar. Maybe by the time you listen to this though, the race will be run, but maybe go find that replay. And last but not least, of course, Pete Rose passed away. Last night, that really sucked because I was a big Pete fan. I know he was the most perfect person in the world, but he was a, he was a fellow racetrack junkie like all of us and, and he loved, loved a, loved action, but he was any better baseball player and I just posed to you all should, should Pete be allowed in the Hall of Fame. I mean, I'll go and give you my take on, I hate the phrase my take by the way, and I can't believe I just said that. So that said, yeah, I just, I despise that. Um, my opinion, when I was younger, because I heard some of the stories of Pete at Turfway and things like that or whatever in some other place, I actually thought he shouldn't be in a Hall of Fame back in the day. And because there you bet on your own team and people, you know, you don't bet on your own team, but yes, you can influence the outcome of a game, right? Because leave a pitcher in law hunger, yada, yada, maybe you save a guy, you pull a pitcher quicker than so on and so forth, you can influence a game that way. And as soon as I've gotten older, I realized I was wrong. I was wrong about that because there are a lot of imperfect people in the Hall of Fame, a lot of imperfect people all walks alive. And I mean, Ray Lewis comes to mind, Ty Cobb comes to mind, uh, this and that, and it's also remarkably hypocritical to me in this day and age where everybody, now every league promotes sports wagering in there. It's in your face nonstop, blah, blah, blah, and it's okay for everybody else to do it, but you know, you know, he couldn't do it. I'm not saying it's right, but it seems like a minor offense these days compared to some of the other things that we see, right? So yeah, he should be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, I had turned a page on that several several years ago and stuff and yeah, it would be it's almost shame if he does get in there posthumously because he should have done it while he was alive, but there was a lot of bad love between him and the commissioner back in the day and this and that. So a flawed individual, yes, there's a lot of flawed individuals find me some celebrities out these days are not flawed individuals as we hear all the time. So yeah, put them in there. Yep, I couldn't agree more. He should be in there for sure. You know, they gave Reggie Bush his Heisman back when the times changed. I think you do the same thing with Pete especially now. I mean, we see draft case commercials every 10 minutes on TV, correct? Thank you. This stuff is rammed down our throats or whatever. It's like when people get mad at young people and young basketball players for throwing a game and stuff. It's like, well, it's okay for you guys to play for all these people, betting millions of millions of dollars of people prosper, but, you know, act like you're a jackass because you fell into the trap that you're surrounded by. So yeah, put him in and maybe clean some other things up in the world, right? He was big buddies with Jerry Carroll who developed Turfoy Park and all that land around it back in the day. I heard some stories. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think he hit at least one or two pick sixes. Yeah. And back back when it was a little harder to hit him and stuff too, right? I probably had a $2 minimum back then. Yeah. So I'm so I'm sure a lot of people know a lot of stories. So yeah, put Pete and the whole thing. Yeah, I agree. I'm all for it. All right. Let's get to our guest. Thank you there. We got one for you guys tonight because we welcome not one, but two trainers coming off memorable weeks for themselves under the twin spires at Churchill Downs here in Louisville, KY. The first is a Louisville native who won her first ever race at Churchill Downs. And the second one is a pass guest who punched his ticket yet again to the Breeders Cup with his venerable fan favorite three technique. You know what I'm talking about everybody. So this evening, let's welcome in one Rodina Barrett as well as welcoming back the one and only Jason Cook. Thanks for joining us tonight, folks. Good evening, you guys. Jason, you there, pal? Yes. I'm right here. All right. Well, again, first off, quick congratulations on the week you two both had. And I guess we'll go ladies first, you know, because I'm a liberal student, that's okay with you, Rodina. Absolutely. I appreciate it. Well, first off, for people who may not be aware, do you go by Rodina? It's an unusual name. Is there a shorter version or what do you go by? If you were to ask my mother, it would be Rodina, but everyone calls me Rodi because I prefer to be on the road. I like that. So we'll go with Rodi then. Now, a lot of people may not realize that you are a newer name to Kentucky racing fans, but you're certainly not new to the winner circle itself because I did a quick perusal of you on Equivace. I did not realize you already have 138 career wins and over 1,000 starters, that's great. I did. I actually, the breaking I made in the Churchill was absolutely my biggest accomplishment, but I was taken back from my roots of being a bluegrass girl and my mother took me to the West Coast. So a lot of my wins became at Portland Meadows and Emerald Downs, actually. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you. So, all these wins that you have mastered from the Washington, Oregon area, were you in North Carolina? I did. I played in California, I played in Arizona, went down to Oakland for a little bit, but my dream was always to come back to the bluegrass state. Well, for someone like myself who's never been to those tracks that far west, right? I've heard Emerald's beautiful. I've heard the Golden Gate back in the day, you know, it was there, it was beautiful. I'm sure you was talking about turf paradise there. Which one is your favorite? What is the one that was most real Dean of Barrett? Emerald Downs, I mean, Portland Meadows started my career and Dave Duke and all of them. I mean, I'm absolutely grateful for everything on the West Coast, but Emerald Downs and playing with the quarter horses and playing with the thoroughbreds over there. I mean, a little less talk was, she was, she is and will always be my champion from back there. I remember that name, so a little less talk gave you a lot more action, right? Yes, you did. That's cool. How much was it, how many wins did that horse have, how many, how much money did she earn, do you know, talk to your head? You know, she brought me my very first big Emerald Downs Steaks win back there and brought her back here to Kentucky actually and we ran third and the perfect steaks. And we actually have a beautiful, gormly, Philly by her side here in Kentucky. So I actually kept her and made her a mama. That's awesome. So you're a little native of my mistake, and so what prompted the move back to a little bit? Is there a particular reason you just want to, you got bigger fish to fry with these bigger persons at Churchill or? Um, actually my grandmother passed unexpectedly. So I opted to wrap up my career in the Pacific Northwest and be back here to take care of my grandfather. Oh, that's awesome. And did I see it? I saw while searching the internet that the wonderful, amazing internet that teaches all about everything that you grew up, not far from churches. I saw that on a YouTube video that many, many a year ago, is that correct? You were one of those Churchill down ights and get the racetrack in the blood very early. They, you know, unfortunately it wasn't in super, super early. My father actually was a van driver for Sally and my mother took me back to the West Coast and I got a little bit late start in the racing industry. But it, you know, once it's in your blood, it, it's kind of there. So it's definitely been a blessing for sure. So as we just mentioned, it's like 135, 136 wins elsewhere and then all of a sudden you come back to Louisville and a very talented three old Philly name Uno Lee that's UNO then LE gives you your first winner at the home of the Kentucky Derby and not just anywhere. That was a $120,000 maiden race to boot my guy with the purse that big and a horse that talented. So how did that feel coming down stretch? Needless to say, I am glad it was raining or the entire, everyone watching would have watched me bow like a little five year old girl and it couldn't tell, right? So you could. Yeah, because we're going to talk about that here in a second or whatever, but I can only imagine what that felt like. That's the biggest, what'd you say that's, that's the biggest monetary one of your career, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. And the thing about that horse, cause I remember the horse from last year, don't let the five horse field throw here in the fact that it was in some downpour, that horse is no fluke. She ran third to a very talented field valor horse last year named, uh, Lega Dermot. She's about a million to one and put in a really good effort. Then you come back to September, you give her time off, come back in September, ready to roll. And here in Louisville and across the southeast, we got hit with a Thai food. I mean, it literally was, I was shocked. They didn't cancel. Were you worried about the possibility of canceling? I agree. And I was actually on the phone with her breeders and her and her other, the other partners. And I was like, okay, you guys, you know, and they're like, roadie. She was named Una Lee means tornado in Cherokee, they're like, let's go. And I said, all right, I'm just letting y'all know. And I opted to paddock her myself. And I called in for reinforcements for Jason de Saddler because I'm like, I can't make these guys, you know, paddock and do everything in a monsoon. That's where the female version of me going, okay, if anyone's going to go get wet, I'm going to get wet. Right. And so you called on your bestie and you explained to Jason and he didn't get what he did get wet. Oh God, we saw, we saw the races and so that was, again, if you wouldn't hear in the city, I think we got four inches of rain that day, but it was pennies from heaven, right? Because she wore victory. Absolutely. I mean, 120,000 big parts. What's next for Una Lee? I mean, she's, again, she's a really nice race horse. She is. We did nominate her for one of the Keenan steaks. I doubt we'll be able to draw in. So we will probably be looking for, you know, the number one, two type of deal, but, you know, what's, what's the case of not, you know, taking the gamble if it was to come up a super light field, but maybe, maybe again, you never know, you never know. But she came back this morning. She was quite on her toes and happy, go lucky to go back to the racetrack. So that's always a bonus. You know, it's a little disappointed because before we got on it, you had had a couple of bourbon slushies as I were calling stuff. Absolutely. Yeah. You kind of tamed down a little bit from some of the language we are always you know, when you let it rip. I do. I do have a lady in me, however, as long as, you know, I mean, I have been known to not have the nicest mouth possible. I definitely have a sailor's mouth. You have. I was raised with guys. I mean, you throw me in a barn and of course, I mean, I mean, I can act like a lady, but not all the time. Before we go to Jason real quick, I just want to let you know you have full permission from Jeff CC myself to let it rip as you see. Okay. I love it. I am glad y'all said that now when I'm almost done, that way y'all don't have to have a bunch of bleep bleep bleep bleep. Oh, we'll come back to you. I've worked in an auto plant for 28 years. I have let loose with many an F bomb that was well deserved, at least in my mind. So I love it. I absolutely love it. All right. So we got your bestie over there. So let's get to the man. Let's get to the man. I'm a bit of it. I understand here. I'm speaker. Yeah. Let's get to the man who can grill a tomahawk rib eye like nobody's business. It's your turn there, Jason or cookie monster as Joe Christ effect. No, when you tell him the quick call with me that I he wanted to know how you thought about that. But I kind of like the whole cookie monster thing. Caitlin calls you that too. And if you realize it or not too, so I see Caitlin I used to see him. I see Caitlin outside the other day, the other day was five starts he was picking against me pretty hard. Yeah. I was sitting there thinking, I will tell him to send me his number because I'm going to a taxi. You're going to regret that. I'll send it to you. I'll send it to you. I kind of like it. Cookie monster is pretty cool. So yeah, everybody loves a cookie monster, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, in addition to that, Jason, anything else interesting happening this week? Anything noteworthy for you? Well, I sat a roadie's horse. Okay. I want to race on Saturday was like a 10, 10 claim or 10,000, 10,000 claim or what was it? The act act. Wow. I raised someone to win for a day. You know, that is actually, you're going to think this is funny, but you know, I hold Dale Roman torches too, right? Yeah. See, what were you telling me that? And I don't remember if I saddled him, but I helped out with standing in there because I happened to be at the races at night. The night that Dale won the act with Mr. Freeze and he's one of my favorite horses. I don't remember the thing that I always would love to win this race. And I looked at Mr. Freeze and I thought, takes a pretty nice horse to win this race. And there you go. And then all of a sudden, here you are, you won the damn thing or whatever. And you know, you beat a couple of really good horses. There's Tumba Rumbles in race. Kelly, I know you've been knocking heads with some really tough ombre's this year. But those are two of the toughest right there and your horse went right by. And what do you think it was this time? Was it the mud? Was it the one mile trip? Oh, he doesn't really particularly like the mud. He's not that, he's not that really, he doesn't like the mud that much. He got hold of that mud that is not his favorite. He doesn't even train as well in the mud. You know, everything that could go wrong all year, went wrong with that horse. Starting with, it's about March, he broke his own jaw in the stall, grabbing onto the tie chain, shaking it, I believe it was the tie chain. Got a bruise in his heel, had to glue on shoes and I mean, just everything got a little sick around every time. Everything that could go wrong with him went wrong this year, I ran him back too fast at Allison. It was a turn and a half. You ran him with Saratoga, he hates Saratoga, but everybody I trained for was in Saratoga. And the race did fit and he did win a race in Saratoga, he broke his mate in there. He doesn't really like Saratoga, because you know, it's got that hook turn. You know what I'm saying? Oh, I know what he's saying. It's all been like animals, right? He's about the one mile shoot, right? The wheels. Well, no, it was seven eighths. Oh, okay. Yeah. But he doesn't, he doesn't like, I'm talking about the turns of just more hooky and he likes, you know, Belmont is his favorite track and Churchill's the second because even though he's won a grade three, he won a grade two at Belmont last summer. The neighborhood, right? The neighborhood. Yeah. Remember? That's, y'all didn't even know who I was. I won that race. Oh, I'm an old man, brother. I know exactly he are. I remember some of the other horses from back in the day with you. I remember those, uh, Lova Cardinal Silks. So those Lova Cardinal Silks. So he, but he's a pure one turn guy, right? I mean, the other way, you said him was sitting for long, that's his trip, one turn mile, right? Hey, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. These two are picking each other up and making the dogs go wild. We're talking about young Payton, your daughter Payton and his four vision, Rody. She's picking Rody. Got shit. Wow. Um, that's, but, you know, my young daughter is, uh, driving me nuts. Right. The moment stopped. I know, I know the feeling, you know, we're speaking about the mud, talking about the mud. One thing, speaking of Caitlyn, she actually asked you, uh, to take a swan dive in the mud. I was a little disappointed that you didn't do it, but as we talked, she, I know, you actually did take your own swan dive before I, the Caitlyn suggested who can. And I love her. She pushed me and then I hugged the horse. Even though he probably hated it, it probably offended the horse because he don't like to be touched. He says, I don't know what's wrong with you, but she didn't stop. So Rody, Rody pushed you in the mud, correct? Yes. That's actually awesome as hell. Well, I had on her new pair of hocus and, you know, I buy a pair of six months and they're my favorites and they're ruined, because somebody pushed me out in the mud. They're not ruined. They're ruined. They're perfectly fine. Really? They look out, they're varnish. I hear besties. I know, I know, I know, I know who's with besties, you know, what do people tell me? Oh, yeah. Push me out there in the mud. 400,000 on a race, so you can buy some more help your song. No, especially, special edition, they quit making the color, they only made it two weeks. Now you had an entourage out there with you, then, Mike, let's start on TV. Actually, actually David Miller could not be there with his 100 best friends. Oh, really? Because he was hosting his 40th family reunion. So there'd have been another high school reunion. What did I say? Family. Family. 40th high school reunion. There'd have been 50 more people there. Because I was thinking, you guys probably drowned out louder than life, but they probably couldn't hear the bandit louder in life, do you guys yellin down a stretch, right? Yeah, I've probably got excited. Somebody said there's a video of me, Peyton brought her friends, and I always watched the race by myself. No, I don't care if it's a five-plane run. I watch it by myself. Well, they let me slide up into the behind-the-winter circle over there at Churchill, and I watch it, and nobody's ever over there, so I'm by myself. I said, take 'em out front to the spot, and I'm at the spot on the left, and she's out to your spot. So I walked to my spot, and there's 15 people standing there, and I'm like, "Well, I don't want to watch it." I didn't specify. So I walked down into the winter circle by myself, and watched it, and everybody came to join you. Yeah. I've probably got a little wild, you know. That's OK. Did you see the... I tell you what, I knew he was going to run big, and actually, Tumbra Rumba, I'm a fan. I'm a big fan of that horse. I have watched him run. He's dead game. Oh, God, is he? I watched him one day dueling with a horse. He literally, I could see his chin quivering, where he started impending his ears, where he started biting the bit so hard, that his chin was screaming where he's sticking his head down, trying to stay in front of another horse. You know, when you realize that that horse wants to win that bad, you know, he can't help but like him, right? Mm-hmm. So I was kind of a fan of his. And then... And you always went right by him. He went right... Now, Beharano kept him out loud, and maybe he didn't get the eyeball, and right, so he didn't fight back on. He didn't... Yeah, he didn't. But Mowers, I could tell, he was on his game that day. And then, there's two times that horse is either... When he's just bouncing around a little bit, he kind of uses runs average. But that horse, when he's as calm as a puppy dog, he runs big, or when he's really like, "I'm shocked how hyper he is," he runs big. And he's just normal, like bouncing around like a horse and a racist, he doesn't... I've never got a win picture from one of them days. How about that? Gotcha. Like, he was so calm in the paddock, and so mellow. I was shocked, and you know, stage raider was up in the, up in the rear and up, and banging around. And he's not like his brother, he's a little bit of a handful. Exactly. And he was banging off the balls a little bit, and this horse never even flinched. So to be clear, I'm a kick to CC, right? So he can talk to you fine folks. To be a lot of people know, Rowdy's had two bourbon slushies, but under your contention, you've only had one, correct? Correct. That's... And I did not finish it. I'm very... I'm even very calm tonight. Did she finish it? No, she did not finish it. Seriously. Why are you being calm? I'm being calm because they're fighting with the dogs and kicking each other out, and I'm trying to have a conversation. Well, we don't mind, as a matter of fact, to prove him and take the CC, and he'll take over here, all right? All right. All right. Hey, Jason. First of all, congratulations on the big win. Got a question. I think I asked you this last year when Three Technique won the NARUD, there's two starts on his past performances where he ran on grass, and one time he finished third, and the other time was at a stake trade. He's by a horse. His side was misty. There's one-a-grade one on the grass. There's one-a-grade one on the grass. As the... That's never... That's my owner's answer. I said, "No, he's not a grass horse, because he can't sprint on the grass, and all the grass race are two turns, and he's never running a good. That third in the grass is the only time he's ever hit the bullward two turns, and if you watch that race, it doesn't look impressed, so the numbers aren't no good on that race, and he was actually doing pretty good." That answers my question. So, what's his range? Is it seven-furn longs to a mile? Could he sprint? Could he turn back a little bit more? Well, I got him in the Raiders Cup sprint. We've got to be seven lanes. Okay. I guess the next question is, is the Breeder's Cup next, or are we thinking about that once? No, I'm not going to run in the Breeder's Cup. Really? I'm going to say, you know, yeah, you know, I've run in two, the sprint and the mile. You don't want to go two turns, and you can't reel those sprinters in, and to be honest with you, I don't know how much that race did a night on that track took out of him. You know what I mean? He seems quiet for him, and so I'm in no rush to make any decision. But I'm leaning towards not going to Southern California, which is so unlike me. Because I would be, I don't like, okay, I spent two weeks last year, and my daughter loved it. She had a great vacation, but I didn't particularly like it. But yeah, I'm probably not going to go to the Breeder's Cup. I told the Breeder's Cup guy today, he says, what's paid for this time, they'd have to make it all this week, they'd have to put me and Peyton up on the beach for two weeks for me to go this time, but I really am not leaning against it because there's just no race for him, you know, if it's right here at Churchill Bounds or Belmont, I'd run it. What about a race like the cigar mile at Aqueduct? Well, we, you know, we ran in it last year, and this is another reason the mud, you know, the day before the cigar mile last year, I had never been just to watch races in New York. So I went to the races and every horse is coming from way back, and it started to rain that night, and it rained like it rained here, it rained like an inch and three quarters during the night, and the track was sloppy all day, and no horse came from second. Me and, what is the name, that horse, the horse that went over and won the $12 million race after the senior buskador. Yeah, senior buskador, the only two horses he ran second, I ran forth to make any ground on the track the whole day, really, I remember that, I remember that, and we both closed well, he closed faster than me, obviously, give credit where credit is due, but we both closed up really well, and Dallas, of course, went to the league and stayed there. Hoist to go, right, hoist to go. Yes, but we also have a race on December 1st, probably because I cried so much about it, at Churchill Downs now, the last day of the meet, called the chairkeeper's run that is for a quarter of a million and one month, and a first, it's the first time stage. I would go there, first, on the same day as the cigar mob, I think that might be breaking news. I don't know if they released the sex schedule yet, so that's interesting, so yeah, looking forward to that. Yeah, I don't know if they ever know, but it's there, I wind, but I kept, you know, I grew up being the racist secretary, and I kept saying Ben, we got these sprint stakes, we got this mile in a state, a two-turn state, but where's the miles are the fun ones anyway? I'm always looking for a sprinter that I can make into a mile or like him. I'm literally always looking at that form for those 80s that I feel like go like him, because those are exciting races. What's the sacred? What's the sacred to find out? That was, that was mine, honestly, is, I wanted him, when I claimed him, I said this gonna be a closing sprinter, and I ran him a time or two, and he closed into some, especially some hot cases, but it was a turf where he didn't get a hold of the track. And then I ran him a key when he fell on his face going seven eighths, and he come rolling got beat five links and, you know, whatever the seven eighths stake is, they have there in the spring, which it's one of those sprint stakes. Is it the Phoenix? The other one? Well, whatever one. Commonwealth. They come rolling in the Commonwealth after stumbling leaving the gate, and then when I watched the gout out, you know, they go a sixteenth of a mile, he's two in front, and he's kind of still got, so I said, you know, because they gave up on him, because they wanted to win the Derby, the original owners, and then they realized he couldn't go that far. So then, you know, when they can't go that far, you slide him back to sprinters, but he's a galore. He's a little bit of a glorified sprinter that can keep going, you know? And now that he's learned to kind of relax and come running, you know, he's smart. He's very, very smart. Like the pace was slowed down even though it was a slop and they went fast enough. But if you don't look, he's never more than about four off the pace, and he's kind of doing that on his own. Me and Bay Rhino had talked, he says, the one horse is going to go to lead somebody, one of these other two, because they were trained about the same person. He's going to press him. I said, well, they're going to try to slow the pace down. He said, I know. I'm going to inch up the whole way and be sitting close, but he told me he said we was just laying there easy for off the lead, so it wouldn't know probably. So you know, the secret with that is, is you got one that like, you know, his, his side, most of his runners are kind of seven, eight miles, kind of horses. So that might help me out in that, but in his sire stance and Texas, obviously. And, but you know, he just, he's learned to relax and finish and he's done well doing that. He wants to run about seven, eight or a mile. And that's where he's at, but let's, let's talk about a couple of other horses in your barn. I know you claim the horse named Atlantic dancer back out of a maiden race that he, that he won back in early August at Ellis. And then you turn him around and he's finished going with memory. I think he finished third at Ellis on the grass second, second on the, yeah. And then, and then third at the Churchill in his last start in a starter allowance. Tell us about starter 50. Yeah. How did you come across this horse and, and, and what do you think about it? Oh, I like him. That's why I didn't, when he ran second for 30, I could have ran him back for 30. And I'm sure there've been 10 claims and only probably one, but I really like him. You know, he's like $400,000 yearling by American Pharaoh. He's so calm. I'm here. Pate was there. She goes, he's tranquilized or something because he literally doesn't move. And he's just like, blah, but I really like him and he seems to be going forward. And I said, Hey, let's not get him claim and I kind of missed the two life for 50. And that, you know, that, that starter there, the horses is not one of the other end of room for 50 or less. It's usually horses that are right there at the cusp of winning an A of the banner in that race. And the favorite was horse. They just claimed for 50 that won and he beat me in the end and I got beat ahead for everything and it, it didn't have the greatest of trips in my life. But I really like him and I seen him originally he was trained by Nick Zito and Nick Zito was in my barn. So I saw that horse train a whole bunch in my barn. And then I look up and he's off the nine month lay off with another trainer, you know, at Alice for 16, I thought, well, he, if he's not worth 16, you know, there ain't none of them worth 16 and he didn't win by eight that day. Did you think he's probably a decent turf way horse, maybe the last time it terrified? Probably. Yeah, I actually think he's a decent going to win that same race. He just ran it going to mile three six things at England on the 20th, but I think or be very competitive in there because he'll run all day. Like say, by American Pharaoh, he is, he is the nicest, quietest horse. I feel like he could pony horses on you, that's how quiet he is. Speaking of Keeneland, you've got one entered, I believe on Saturday, a horse named Spicraft. Yes, I did. If you've done all right, well, tell us about his chances on Saturday. I didn't get to look to form that close, but you know, we can say about that horse. He's won 13 times now, they'd write it at half a million dollars. I, I claimed him for 12 five and I did lose him for 10, but he went to, and then I claimed you back for 16 when they running back and I've went two more cents. I mean, you can't say nothing bad about a horse like him. He's nice. My daughter loves him. The late works for me cried when they took him for two days. He's 71 years old, got 11 kids and she was teary-eyed for two days that he was gone. And then I claimed him back and luckily I won the shake, but yeah, he's got, he always runs good. I mean, I've run that horse nine times, he's got four wins. He just, he's just a gamer. You know what I'm saying? Right. Is Declan on him? Declan better be on him. Yeah. Declan's on him. Yeah. Declan's on him. Declan fits him like a glove. Declan loves him. Declan loves him. Yeah. Declan does well on him. But yeah, he always runs good. You know what people ask me about him? They're like, how do you think he's going to run? You can easily say good with him because he always runs good. So. Looking forward to it. Let's throw it over to Jeff Riggs. If you've got any questions for Mr. Jason Cook. Absolutely. Jason, I'm excited to be on here with you. I was bummed that I missed out last time. Missed the barbecue as well. I've heard that you're a great time. Awesome to talk to you. So I'm glad I was on tonight. They're really joining us. There really is going to be a fish-brown Saturday probably. Hmm. I mean, that sounds great. I'm down. I got to get the cod. I got to go tomorrow and check if they can fly the cod in. I get it flowing in from Boston, French. Ooh. I got to see if I can get to all that to care of. Got the good stuff. I like that. He's very proud of these cod. He is. I can testify to that. She is right. He did. He didn't bring that to me. It was good though. It was great. Did you eat fish? Hell yeah. Did we eat fish today? Yes. You had salmon and you had the tomahawks. If you're hell for fish, I'm going to eat it, brothers. Yes. Well, Saturday y'all come. Just check with me. We'll probably have it. Just as long as Rody cleans up the house. She's over here. Take care of that. Hey, that's out in the truck. There's gas climbing. I do owe you from throwing you in the mud. Yeah. Oh, no. What? No. I found another. No. I found another. I found another piece of pearly shoes in St. Louis. You're driving me over and buying her. Yes. It's only pearly shoes. We're on my side of the shed, bro. You know me and Harlan the same, barn? Get out of here. Really? Really? Yeah. I'd have never guessed it. I'd have never guessed it. I'd have to do that short straw. Short straw. I'd be happy in there. I'm sure there's never a dull mote in the thing at the bar, right? I'd have every mote. I'd have every mote. I'd have every mote in there. Hey, this guy's got questions. I mean, you know, you mentioned spy craft and three technique in, you know, some of your other horses. I know you really pick your spots, but it seems like you really have success in picking your spots. Well, you know, 18 starts on the year, but five wins. Yeah. I guess one, how many horses do you have in your bar currently and two? How do you go about picking the right spots for those works? Six. I have six and it's been hard to get to six because every time I claim one, they claim it from me. Right. Yeah. Especially with these Kentucky purses, right? You know what was unbelievable is I like playing one that I didn't necessarily like. He was skinny. I mean, skinny race horses are hard, hard keepers, you know, and I kind of looking pretty and I'm ready for 40. So don't worry, boys. He'll run so, so here. Put him back in for 25 and I claim you for like 30, I'm putting him to 25, get the money. Let's run in here and get a look at him claimed. I claimed another 32. I said, I'm going to try him on the turf just because he got a little turf pedigree, give him a whirl out here. He's in jail anyway, ready for 50 claims. I'm like, what in the world is going on? We made like a bunch of money and never even had to worry about it. I was going to say that's profitable, even if you don't win any races right there. Well, the one to 32 that we only had three weeks, I mean, we really didn't have that much expense on that horse and they claimed it for 50 and I was like, wow, he's in California reason, too. I found that odd, but find it out with Park, but uh, yeah, I was just like, huh. Well, those are nice when they work out that way, for sure. I know we were talking a little bit before we got on air about, you know, how it felt like everything kind of went wrong with three technique up, you know, up until this big win this year and how, you know, I'm trying to hurt himself and everything. Yeah. And last year, yeah, last year nearly died, uh, after the Negroes. So no, yeah, I think a lot of people don't realize how stressful that can be trying to keep resources in one piece, you know, can you talk a little bit about that, how, you know, just that day to day grind and how that goes? Well, I mean, you know, that horses seven and so a spycraft for that matter, they're like, they're like 40 year old NFL players because they play at a pretty high level, especially three technique. I mean, it is literally like having a 40 year old NFL player. How many of them do you see? I mean, it's, it's hard. He's at 39 starts, you know, all those horses who run it against it, I don't think any of them had 20 starts, you know, it's a, they keeping these horses together at this age is hard. Yeah. And there's so many, and anymore, it's just like, you know, I still do a bunch of stuff they get back in the day, like them horses, well, a lot of people use eyes, but the lady works for me. She's in there sometimes at four o'clock in the morning, hose them and stuff like that. There's a lot that goes on into that. But believe me, it's the people that worked for me. It's not me, but they're out there for in the morning, hoes at them and everything else. It's hard to keep those older horses. Well, any of them really and together. And then, you know, the other day when three technique run and my mind, I didn't decide to run him because I could scratch any time from the track till the fourth race. I mean, I, I, the whole time was thinking, you know, he's seven. This is a, this is not a very good track, and I'm not knocking the track guy, but, you know, how often do you say, well, in the last 30 hours, it's rain four and a half inches. Right. Right. And you said that he didn't necessarily love the slot previously either. He ran bad in slot. He ran and he did win on a wet track, but it was like barely wet. Like they were hair on it. So, and he didn't run that great in New York cause he was doing really, he was doing as good as he went out. When I run even the cigar mileage, just as good as he's ever done for me. So I was kind of shocked that he didn't hit the board. Yeah. Well, I know that was, that was a big win for you this past weekend, but what, what's the most memorable moment of your entire training career to this point so far? Every day, every day. Every day. Awesome. Every day. That's pretty amazing with all those people there and just the atmosphere, right? I mean, everybody I grew up with, even my sister flew in. It was amazing. Really. And the fact that everybody cashed out on the horse to pay $76, that always helps. Yeah. Yeah. To the tune of unbelievableness, uh, that is incredible and I mean, I jumped up and down on the table Thursday night in my house, then he would not get beat. I mean, I might not be my more Jason Cook, somebody might come after you, huh? There was a hundred people at my house. Well, how did that horse pay $76 then? A dirty day. Yeah. True. That's a good point. Very good party guy. A lot of money coming in. Well, I can't get back over to Alan here in a second, but one last question. Before you were talking about some of the jockeys you use, you know, Rafael Bejorano, Declan Cannon, um, how do you go about selecting jockeys? You just kind of pick who fits best with the horse, you know, just, you know, we in Rafael have a good relationship and I've noticed that he was a kid, but you know, it's funny as Declan Cannon and Rafael Bejorano have the same joc agent. Hmm. Who they are? Spinoza. Mm hmm. And when I was a kid, who they always kind of the man around here, you know, yes, he was. Yes, he was. You know, like me and Tommy Drury and them who he always the only jockeys really cooled all of us. I mean, he was nice, he was going to doggles and, you know, we were just months a little racetrack brass bothering him, but he was the only one that was so cool to us. So whenever I could throw Julio bone, I used to always ride him here and there. He had a few. He like he had Morales. But when Bejorano and he more or less, he, Bejorano lived at his house, even though he wasn't an agent then, and when Bejorano first came here, so did Morales, like he takes those guys in, teaches them, shows them how to do it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And, uh, me and Julio are just really good friends. And, uh, so I used to ride morale some before when Rafael came back and he said, uh, I'm going to have Rafael Bejorano and, you know, Bejorano's went like a hundred grade ones. Oh, yeah. We were making his son, it's, it's the other day, the other day, he, uh, you know, Bejorano went like eight races in four days. Did y'all know that? Yeah. Oh, yeah. He won two grade threes. And, uh, his son was always like, who has Morales now, Julio Espinosa's son, took over Morales when Bejorano come here and he just took Declan. He only had him to be around a like Declan, a kind of friendly. So he just said, you know, you can pick him up and Declan's a fine rider needs own right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And, uh, I don't think he gets as much opportunity as he probably should, but he, he does a good job. Yeah. We're big Declan fans here. Yeah. Very, very knowledgeable, very, very members, remembers like races and things that happened. Very, very good. Very professional. Right. I don't want to say good things about him, but, uh, it was funny because Joe Polly, that is who their son's like, when you go ride, uh, Mariah, it's time to move on from the two old guys, it's us and, uh, talk about Bejorano and his dad. Well, I can't wait to sing because I'm going to be like, man, then two old guys, they went like eight and three days over there. I didn't see it. Was y'all having it in the end of grand or something? I can't wait to see it was y'all, where's y'all at? I'll tell him. I'll, I'll kick you back over to Alan to wrap it up, but I appreciate you. This has been. Well, y'all got to talk to Rody more. Yeah. Absolutely. That's what I'm here for. That's what I'm here for. Rody, let's get you back here and wrap this up. Rody, you're there? Yeah, I'm here. Let me ask you something. Now, depending on how to fall down the stairs in order to make sure the house is clean so this is fried, that's going to be supposedly happening. I like you, Rody. I like you because unlike your, unlike your buddy there, your bestie, you'll ride fair in Peterson. He will. I'll try to get him to ride her. He won't ride her. It's like, what's up with that, right? Farron is amazing. She is amazing. And one last thing, before we wrap this up, okay, because I was thinking about this and I don't know the answer. I did look up your stats between the two of you who's won more races in their career. You're at 138. He says it's him, but can you, can you calculate the quarter horse wins for me? He says the quarter horse wins don't count. I think they still win. So you're saying one thing he's saying another, right? You know, flip a coin, flip a coin. We will thank you guys for joining us. This has been memorable to say the least, right? Absolutely. All right, guys, this really has a memorable Rody, Peyton, and Jason, thank you very much for joining us. Let's hope we get the opportunity given you guys win a bunch more fancy races. Absolutely. Yeah, we really did enjoy it, and thank you guys so much. Have a great evening. All right, that was the very, very excited Jason Cook and his bestie, Rody Barrett, Rodina Barrett. I think you don't hold me to this, guys, I think they're excited about their big wins from the past week. I mean, do you guys kind of get that, get that fielders, I'm just, am I just going over a cliff here? Right. Well, it's a game of peaks and valleys, so you got to celebrate the peaks because they don't come around very often. Right. Right. But a couple bourbon slushies that have really helped them celebrate those peaks would you say, guys? At least a couple, at least. I love it. How do you tell those guys? The last time I had a bourbon slushie, well, I had four of them at some kind of fundraiser benefit. This is like 15 years, 12 years ago, 13 years ago, and I drank four because it was as hot as hell for some reason. It was around Christmas, and this place was just, it was like a steam room. And I had four, and I went up to a lady that I thought I knew, and it was absolutely the wrong person. And she was a pretty important person where I live, and I told her, yeah, she's like the county attorney or something like that, I don't know. And then what did she say the next morning? Oh, there's nothing like that. Trust me. Trust me. Yeah. I'm a peasant in these parts. I was invited. Gotcha. Yeah. Anyway. All right. Before we go, forgot to throw out one superlative, totally forgot about Bango, who set the record for most wins ever at Churchill Downs. That was a pretty cool accomplishment. I thought maybe the old guy was done, but he had one more gear left, and he won a really nice allowance race. Yeah. You know, he wanted impressively, too. Yeah. I hear people saying that no one's going to break that record. It's like, you know, he's going to break that record at 12, Bango. He's not done. He's back in form. So the 12, he's going to add on to the 12, but I think that's the goal. So yeah, I think Bango's going to extend his own record. That's really, really awesome to see. And maybe we'll talk about that later in the week, a little more, if you know what I mean, right? You kind of see where I'm going with that. So we'll see. Absolutely. Absolutely. What do you mean? Well, yeah. I mean, I'm so, so we'll see if we may have somebody on to discuss that later. Got to leave that as a cliffhanger for the before, right? Exactly. All right. I spent with you. Yeah. One more before we go, you're thinking and talking about milestones, I got to give a shout out to my friend, Adrienne Devote, sister, Adrienne Devote, who sent out her first starter of her solo training career this past weekend to Belmont at the Big A, was shoot the nickel and one in her first career start. So congratulations, Adrienne, well done. And we're excited to see you continue on with your training career. Yeah. You need to fire a few bourbon slushies, Jeff. That's right. That's all the rage. They seem to work wonders, so congratulations, Adrienne. Great. That's all. Last thing, thoughts and prayers to everybody in North Carolina, Georgia, Florida. Absolutely. I have to go of it, and we're thinking of you and hope, hope you fight your way through it. But that's all for now. Thanks to our guests, Jason Cook and Rodina Barrett, Rody Barrett, of course, Alan Schneider, and Jeff Riggs, and a cast of thousands, C.C. brought us, reminding you in the words of our fearless leader, Jerry Romans, we're not happy until you're not happy, good night. [BLANK_AUDIO]