Two Peas in a Podcast
Episode 120 - Dr. Joy Martina
Dr. Joy Martina is a psychic psychologist and founder Golden Goddess Circles, an international group of over 1,000 conscious women dedicated to creating financial freedom for themselves and others.
Joy has authored 7 books including her most recent bestseller, “How to Use Your Intuition to Change Your Life.” She has spent decades researching Intuition and uses this as the guiding force for the transformative work she does to help others step into their truth and create a life in alignment with their highest good.
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- Broadcast on:
- 02 Oct 2024
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Joy, you are so beautiful, you are so happy, and I am so grateful for this amazing opportunity to talk with you. So first and foremost, thank you for sharing your time with me and our audience. It's my absolute pleasure. Now Joy, tell us who is it that you are and what do you do? Well, I'm Joy. I was given the name by my parents because they were told 50 years back or 50 years plus back that they can't have children. So I have the letter of the doctor in my baby album that's telling my parents, sorry guys, not happening. And here I am. And after that, I also have a brother. So I kind of broke that spell and it took me a while to really live up to my name. So I remember deep bouts of depression, of really struggling with the sense of life and I don't know, it's some dark times. And really now at vintage age, I can say I'm happier than I ever have been before for reasons that I didn't think were ever going to be the reason because up until, I don't know, I'd say the age of 30, I was more following the usual paradigm of you, what you get married, you have kids, you live the perfect life, you have a cool job and you've got the cool stuff. But I then one day remember driving on the motorway actually to work at that time I was working in fashion and I just had this overwhelming sense of grief and I just couldn't make sense of it because I was like, why would I feel so unhappy, there must be a reason for it. And then it started a whole journey of really diving deep into, you know, what is a mission in life or why are we even here and what am I supposed to be doing and all that. And now I've come full circle and I can tell anyone listening who's maybe also pondering on these topics, only mission in life is to live the most joy filled life we can. Find your joy, live your joy. I know when you're in a dark space that can sound like an impossible task but I can tell you it's not. It really is the truth that the joy and happiness are two totally different things and we often mix them up because a lot of people will say I just want to be happy, right. I work with a lot of clients one on one to go deep into topics and when I ask them, you know, what do you really want, most people will say I just want to be happy. But you see the thing about happiness is that happiness is usually something that we fix to something that's outside of us that we'll say, you know, when this happens, when I get this job, this guy, this car, this house, whatever it is, then I'm going to be happy. But joy is something that we can even feel in states of grief. I didn't think that was possible. I'd even say the deeper you're able to go into grief and those kind of less pleasant emotions, the more joy and peace and bliss you're also able to create because we learn from that contrast. Does that make sense? That definitely makes sense. And one of the big things that I just so much appreciate about you is that just like you, our lives are parallel in a way because in my early 30s, I just went, hey, I'm living this life that on paper sounds like the ideal life. I have this job that is a really good job. I'm doing really well. I'm with my girlfriend at the time who is not my wife. It seems like everything is going exactly as it should. And I just want I am unhappy. I'm not really sure what that is. I don't know what is wrong. Something just feels like it's out of tune. So let me ask you this. What is happiness? Like what is it? Because it feels like such a weird idea that comes and goes. And a lot of the time we just don't define it, but we say we feel it. But even for people who say we like they feel it in the moment, it feels like it's always a fleeting thing that you only look back at to appreciate what what happened is is happiness is a fleeting thing. It'll come and go, but joy will always stay with you once you've accessed it inside and you've been able to. I think it's more fine fulfillment. I think we feel unhappy or you know, not so good if we're not in alignment with who we really are. And if we look at, you know, diseases often get a lot of clients who come to me because they've been given some terrible diagnosis, usually something where the doctor said, you know, it's incurable, something like that. Those are my favorite cases. And then most of the work that we actually do is aligning with with that true potential that we all have. And for me, the key point is intuition. That's why I call myself that intuition chick, because I remember also along that path of, you know, getting myself out of the depressed states. The next thing that I was wondering about was, you know, what is my gift? What is my real talent? I'm pretty good at a lot of things. But I always envy people who were like, I don't know, virtue is a pianist or amazing painters, whether their gift and talent was so clear, my mind just wasn't to me. Until I figured out, the thing that I'm really good at is tuning into intuition and intuition. You know, I really studied it then for now 20 years. Intuition is the highest intelligence that we all have access to. So I've just told you I was teaching a class of kids yoga and I teach three to five year olds and they're super fun. And those kids are so friggin smart when they're relaxed and tuned in. They know stuff where you don't know how they know it because they're still so connected to their intuition because their brains are usually in a super relaxed brainwave state. So I set out on this mission to really research intuition and to demystify it. I've read a couple of books and I'm really passionate about helping people connect to the highest self, that highest intelligence, that knowing that we all have. So maybe let me define intuition. Intuition is when you know what you need to know, when you need to know it, without knowing how you know, it's like that split second where you just know it's left. It's right or you've got a higher, you've got a fire or you should go talk to that person or you should run away. And it's not only life saving, but I've found out that when I align with intuition really consciously and I ask intuition more often, you know, what is the best way for me to move forward? Is it better to rest or is it better to do something? I will be guided in such a pristine and clear way that my conscious mind just could never come up with. And there's a reason for that, because you see, we often rely so heavily on the conscious mind, that thing that we're thinking with, right? But that thing that we're thinking with consciously can only process a tiny amount of information per second, right? It's like take 120 straws. That's about all the information, the conscious mind can process every second, but the unconscious mind, the subconscious can process millions of pieces of information all at the same time. It's like we've got this supercomputer in us, but we don't know how to work with it. But when we relax our brain, and that's why kids are so good at this, because they're naturally in more relaxed brainwave states than we are as adults, but when we adults learn to relax our brain, to consciously bring ourselves into the theater of brainwave zones, for instance, those are the ones that we access when we meditate. When we suddenly have access to unlimited information, seriously, I'm not kidding you, I've done so many hated meditations, channelings, I don't know, work in that state, where information comes through that I could never consciously know. That's always spot on, that's always in the right time, always using the right words. So I've learned to trust and love intuition for that. And I think it's a big, big key to finding more joy in life, because what I discovered is that only joy for people are truly intuitive. I didn't say happy people, you can be super sad and still be super intuitive, but you've got to have that spark of joy that gives you that idea that you're worthy of a good life, that there's a reason why you're here, why life is precious, why every single moment is precious. It's a sort of state of gratitude, I'd say. Yeah, I love the exact way that you talk about this, because regardless of the term that you use for this weird process that happens when you not only know yourself, but understand the universe, like I like the term tuning in, whenever you tune into whatever's happening in the universe, you just let go of all of the anxiety, all of the sadness, all of the weirdness that surrounds the entire human experience, right? Because every single day we wake up with this anxiety of how am I going to do this? How am I going to get to there? And I think that's new. I don't think that used to be happy. So it's maybe, yes, maybe now, currently more people than usual are waking up with that feeling of fear. I don't like the word anxiety much, I think it's overused, but I agree with you, if we wake up in that fear state, we're just going to continue creating stuff from fear, which is usually more of what we do not want. Yes. Do you think it's a disease of the West, because there is some weird relationship between being more technologically advanced and feeling like you need to get pushed in the direction of having more? I'm not sure if I don't think it's a phenomenon of the West, because I've also been teaching in China for many years, I've been to India. I do think it's got to do a lot with technology, because A, we're being bombarded with massive amounts of information way more than even just 10 years ago, right? It's exploded. Then all that information that's coming at us the whole time from our screens, from the environment, is getting our brain into a very frazzled state, and there's research on this. I'm not making this up. We're mega distracted, usually. We have all these notifications, these things going on that are taking us out of conscious, you know, deliberate thought and deliberate action. We have this letter calling it the popcorn brain, it's a phenomenon, it's brand new. This didn't used to exist, but this popcorn brain can be very easily healed. Do you know how? It's got to be by unplugging and just relaxing. Yeah, sort of, yeah. What they do is they take people who suffer from popcorn brain, and they sit them in front of a blank white wall, and they have to sit there for two hours. It's a guaranteed cure, but a lot of people think they can't do it, or they could, you know, totally cathartic experience is just from looking at a blank wall, because it's forcing them, maybe for the first time, to just chill out, to not put more into the brain, but to become aware of what is. And I think that's maybe the phenomenon that I find so fascinating. And that definitely, I'm noticing more in the West, and maybe in India, is this constant habit of being busy, you know what I mean? Busy, busy, busy, got to be productive, best as if I'm multitasking 20,000 things at the same time, because I've got to do, do, do, do, do, and that gets us into trouble. So I think it's so fascinating when I start working with people, whether it's teaching yoga classes or meditation or breathwork, all it is, is that initial kind of resistance against doing nothing, and I'm like, hey, you have no idea how much you're manifesting and creating while supposedly doing nothing, because once you found stillness and your present in this present moment, which is all we actually have, right, because everything else is an illusion, you can actually start pondering on what you're grateful for, where you want to go, what your heart's desires and wishes are, but if we're always distracted and busy doing stuff, we'll never connect to that source within. But the moment we do, and we start learning how to use our intention, how to use our focus by sending energy towards where we want to go, we start manifesting with so much more ease. So that's what I love teaching this, I call it intuitive manifestation, where we check in here, we become aligned with our values and our beliefs, we get it all all into one line, conscious mind, subconscious mind, the higher mind, our body is all one. And then when all that one moves into that direction of your dreams and desires, it just, it's a fluid flowy movement, there's no resistance. But if we don't do that, and we, I mean, there lots of manifestation courses out there, and we just manifest from what I call the ego from what I think I need, what I think I have to have, we often manifest maybe even successfully, but we're usually not fulfilled when it happens. Yeah, I have so much appreciation for exactly the way that you talk about this for this specific reason. Like I don't know what is happening in society today, but it feels like more than ever, we are more concerned about knowing things rather than knowing ourself. So there's not a lot of people and not a lot of time dedicated to going, Hey, I'm just going to take a step back and figure what it is that is actually going on inside my mind, whether that is the process of, you know, getting away from all technology and just sitting by yourself, whether that is reading and only paying attention to that one thing, whether it's playing music, it just never feels like we're able to let go of this societal standard that is telling us that we should be multitasking all the time. What is this weird thing and this weird bug that we kind of all bought into that just says, if you are in between two things, you think it's a cell phone? I do. Yeah. I think that the smartphones have amplified this to have us believe that yes, yes. And there's also simple cure for that. What helped me and I've been, you know, I'm a hypnotist. I've been studying this stuff for 30 years, but I never had a diligent meditation practice, although I teach it, although I guide people. I would do meditation. I don't know once or twice a week if when there was time, but it wasn't something that I was doing every day. And then when I started yoga teacher training, we had to make the commitment to meditate every single day for at least 10 minutes to start our day in that science, because I didn't be diligent, I did say yes to that. And you know what? I'd say that changed my life most totally for free, it's been free. And it's the most powerful thing we can do is to start our days like that, not at the end of the day, start your day. So really I have now, it's easy for me. I wake up in the morning and the very first thing I do is I sit on my meditation cushion and there's nothing. There's no music, there's no distraction. It's just me and my breath. And those 10 minutes, I'd say the biggest source of energy that I reap from all day. And because you then start building it as a habit, it's easy for you to, throughout the day, to just take maybe two or three minutes or maybe it's 10 or 15 minutes, just take these timeouts. That's my step one in strengthening your intuition, is find that stillness. Start distracting yourself, step out of that buzz and start your day with 10 minutes of meditation. I call it meditation. Just be still and silent and research has shown that when we do that, especially the first one and a half hours after we wake up are most precious moments. So people who go right on their phone, get right into the buzz, as I call it, are not as productive or as successful as those who take that time for themselves before they get into the buzz. So I can really please, please, anyone who's listening, try it out. Do it for 10 days. I mean, when you got to lose 10 days, 10 minutes a day, set your alarm for those 10 minutes earlier, roll out of bed, sit up and you'll notice that even, you know, the sitting I wasn't able to, before I started yoga teacher training, I was not able to sit on a floor comfortably without cushions and stuff protecting me, I just couldn't. But when you start doing it, you'll get better every day and you'll find more focus, more calm and meditation, there's so much research showing that it's part of our healing. It's one of the most healing things you can do for yourself. Yeah, and it feels like every successful person at some point in their life talks about the power and the quality of the meditation and how it improves their life. Do you ever feel like I get this weird sense that because it's free, because you don't get charged for it and because there isn't somebody telling you exactly how to do it, it feels like less people buy in because you're not paying somebody else to watch you do it. That might very well be the case. And I think with all these things, you've got to experience it to know what you're talking about. So first is the intention. First, he has to meet usually sense for the conscious mind. He's okay. Well, if millions of people are doing this and this actually is healing on the other hand brings me more success, I could just go do it, couldn't I? That's how I always approach these things and then I try it out. And I always commit to at least 10 days or something because you need some time to, you know, rewire and to blood and you have it and all stuff. So 10 days, but I guarantee you do it for 10 days and you're going to just love doing it. You'll miss it if you're not doing it. The same is true for breath work. I mean, anybody listening really look into Wim Hof, there's so many tutorials out there now, Pranayama, I feel breath work is maybe the easier way to get into meditation because there you at least have some kind of instruction. It's like, I don't know, 30 breaths in and out, then hold your breath or you'll have a structure. And I think that maybe makes it easier for people. Kids love doing breath work. When I do my little kid, yoga kids, they're breath of fire and stuff, they're so focused and they usually have trouble focusing, but breath will really keep you in that center very nicely. Yeah. And it's so interesting that you bring this up because like one of the biggest skills, even Navy SEALs, like the best in the United States talk about is this concept of box breathing, which is the same concept that Wim Hof talks about of kind of concentrating so much on the breathing, concentrating on this pattern that you rewire your brain, you tune into the neuroplasticity of your mind, and you just change yourself as a person. What have been some of the benefits that you have seen for yourself individually from doing some of these consistently? Oh, healing on all levels, seriously, I'm so blessed to have experienced so many miraculous healings that miracles for me are part of the norm, I expect them. So I know from breath work, what I've noticed for myself is it's very logical. You're bringing way more oxygen into the body. Now oxygen is the enemy of inflammation, oxygen is the enemy of cancer. So you're pumping your body full with oxygen, full with life force. And that is great for all the cells because we know that if there's enough energy in the cells, you don't need to tell your body what to do. Your body is a healing machine, but very often we just don't have enough energy in our cells anymore because we're stressed out, because we, I don't know, have a bad diet, are not moving enough, there's lots of reasons. But just applying breath work will amplify any of your states, it's going to heal. I had it myself, a very practical example, it years ago I was suffering from incredible back pain and it was, I just couldn't figure it out. I was going to all kinds of doctors, nobody was telling me anything else and then take a couple of painkillers. And then I decided, okay, that's not going to be my path. I know I can heal myself, I'm just going to do this. And if you will now ask me what healed me, it was mainly breath work. And number two was frequency medicine. I'm a big fan, frequencies, I'm a daughter of physicists too. Frequencies are incredible that we now have access as normal people to really incredible forms of healing and that's frequency and light if you ask me. There's so many great tools out there now that where we can charge ourselves and then when ourselves have enough energy and we heal automatically. Yeah. Tell me about the frequency medicine because in a lot of places especially, this is especially in the West in general, when we look at things because like we have this innate understanding that big pharmaceutical companies run the world and just make a ridiculous amount of money based on selling as pills. But when we start thinking about medicine, we always keep coming back to, hey, if something hurts, I need a pill to make me better. Tell me a little bit about the frequency medicine and a little bit about this weird mindset that I feel like it hasn't been around forever and we're getting better at it but it's kind of like a wave. It comes and goes where how much we buy into this big pharmaceutical company running the world changes over time. So, frequency medicine assumes that A, our body is wise and intelligent and knows what to do. And that's a big assumption right away. And it's true, right? So you go cut yourself, your body will automatically start sending all the stuff there to heal the wound. It happens. So you know that. But I think what has happened is that we are not taught or have not learned how to trust ourselves. I think we have put so much of our power to the outside, to, I don't know, the government, the people looking after us and saying you take care of me because I'm not sure what to do. So we're not teaching children at schools how to take care of themselves. I'm always amazed that I have clients who are, I don't know, 60, 70 year old, super successful, but they have never learned to take care of themselves. They don't know even what do I need to feel safe? What do I need to nurture myself? And that's where frequency medicine comes in as a great tool because in frequency medicine you say, if I give the body the energy that it needs, it will heal itself. And every cell has a voltage. You can measure this, right, the hurts. And a sick cell has a different voltage than a healthy cell and liver cell has a very different voltage than a lung cell. So medicine has been able to, and engineers have developed this together with medical doctors have found out that they're different recipes, different frequencies of hurts that we can give a body so that the cells pick up on this frequency, they start vibing at that frequency and the self-healing properties of the body start kicking in. And it works a dream because you see the highest frequency always wins. Yeah. When two frequencies hit each other, they can either amplify each other or they cancel each other out and the highest frequency will always win. So by the many different tools of frequency medicine now available, but I have a German tool that's called the Healy that's the first wearable, it's a tiny little box. You work on, you use your phone to use it and it has all kinds of recipes on there for skin, for learning, for sleeping, for the meridians, you can do so many different things. So that's a great tool that I love using and the other one is called the Biocharger which was actually developed in the US and I think I was one of the first people to buy a biocharger because I was suffering from those back issues, right? And I was doing everything and I was doing Judas Spencer, you know, really I knew I can do this myself but I'm not exactly sure how. So I then went to the Bulletproof Conference in LA I remember and there they were showing all kinds of new holistic therapies and methods from all over the world. And then I noticed the main themes that were popping out for me were frequency and light and that reminded me of visions and meditations and dreams that I've been having for decades where I'd always see these, I don't know, like the medbeds that we see now, those sort of things I was seeing but I was like what is that but it looks great, I want that. And then when I went on to this conference and saw the Biocharger which looks like a big, like a terrace heater sort of, it's very funky, it's a cool machine. Big thing and you sit around it because this machine creates a field that's about three meters in diameter where everything that is in that field is charged with that energy and the body can hold that charge for 24 hours and stones of water can hold it for a week. So I started, I saw that, I talked to the engineers there, they explained the technique too and I thought this makes so much sense, this makes so much sense, I tried it out, felt cool and then I got one for myself and I just started sitting in front of it. Every single day I would just at the beginning because I was in so much pain, I'd just sit or lie and just bathe in the frequencies. I noticed that my brain would immediately go into theta and either fall asleep or I'd be super relaxed and I could meditate much easier. So after about doing that for about two weeks I noticed my pain was gone, I could move again and it just went, got better and better from then and I became a huge advocate of this and now in Austria, Salzburg, the city of Mozart and now have this very courageous project of bringing frequency medicine to Austria because I know that this is how we should all be healing. We should be getting together in beautiful rooms, bathing in frequencies, feeling really good, charging up ourselves, breathing together in stillness, maybe with beautiful music and using also the power of the group because you see, when people get together and get into those relaxed brainwave states which create coherence in the body, Joe Dispenser talks a lot about that, healing happens not only for the single person but it's amplified by the power of the group and Lynn McTaggart has done so much great research on this too of the power of intention. So I've created goddess circles three years ago because I was yearning for sisterhood and we meet online, all women and we've dedicated our mission to creating financial freedom and peace on this planet, so big goals, right? So we meet one question month and we always talk about fun topics of things that are touching our lives and at the end of each circle we always intend together and when we intend together we'll intend for ideal is eight people, eight minutes, that's kind of the magic number, one more people, also we do those eight minutes and I can't tell you the stuff that has happened from sitting in silence with each other but holding one crystal clear focused intention is absolutely flabbergasting and the fun thing is that we would be intending for people that were not even part of the circle, they were from the husbands of the women that win the circle and those men who had no idea what we were doing, they didn't know anything about intentional work or whatever, they would then come back to us and tell us you know what, I had this, I was lying in my bed and they were usually sick, that's why we were intending for them and then suddenly I had this feeling that there were all these women in the room and it felt super peaceful and we had a guy come out of the coma, we had another one who reversed his cancer, I mean it's amazing and it's so free, right? We could all be doing this, we could all be getting together instead of eating and drinking and whatever, which I'm not against that but just instead of that, we could focus our intention, we could talk about what do we want to create, what are we manifesting today, where are we going to send that energy because whatever we focus on, that's where energy is going to go, so instead of focusing on the anxiety on the pharmaceutical companies and all the manipulation and all the stuff that's going on, why don't we focus on where we want to see this planet, who we want to be, if we all started doing that, we would be dreaming those million dreams and it would be our reality, that's just, yeah. And to me, it's always interesting that we, logically on some level, understand based on all of our understanding of physics, that the world is made up of waves, that the world is made up of frequencies, that there is some power in energy. But when you bring that into the field of medicine, into the field of holistic wellness, a lot of people just tune out and go, no, that can't be real. What is this disconnect where a lot of people just get so put off, hearing about holistic approach and I think part of it is a flack and kind of all of the bad intention people who have solved products based on holistic medicine rather than actually delivering on some type of intuition, some type of good meaning outcome for the world. Have you seen a lot of that? Oh, yeah, yes, in both fields, I've seen amazing classical doctors who are doing incredible work and I've seen super scumbags in the spiritual scene who are really, you know, manipulating and abusing. Of course, we have everything. I think the disconnect is mainly because of our programming and that's just to know who is currently still wielding the power, wears the money and they've been the ones who have been telling the stories and we are all way more programmed than we like to believe, especially the ones who say, I'm rational, right, I need to see before I'm going to believe, well, that's irrational because energy is only a very small spectrum is actually visible. You can't see the radio waves either, but they still work. So that's what I actually love about frequency medicine when people come in nice, being it all to them and then they'll say, do I need to believe in this for this to work? And I said, nope, it's helpful if you do, but you don't have to, but experience it. So frequencies, unfortunately, of course, also being used against us. So that is happening. So I suggest, why don't you take control over which frequencies you are exposing yourself to? And that starts with, what am I listening to? What kind of music even am I listening to? What programming am I letting into my brain? Some people sleep with a TV on. You don't be surprised if you wake up cranky because you've been feeding your brain the whole time, all night with junk, right? And the thing about listening to things when you're sleeping, when you're not aware of it is your subconscious mind is picking it all up. It never sleeps. So we can use that phenomenon by, for instance, I love doing sleep training. So I listen to certain meditations or programming in the night on a subconscious level because I want to feed my brain good stuff, but we can also abuse it by feeding it stuff that's not really helping us. And I think that's the first disconnect that's happened. And that's also the awakening that's happening now. So I see the new generation of children being born, but also, you know, the generation of men like you, you're totally different than men, my generation. And so I have great hope. I have great hope because I think also this self tutoring that's happening online through TikTok and all these different channels are giving people the opportunity to learn what they want to learn. There's there's way more information out there. And I believe the truth always comes out. It'll be great. It's just a matter of time. Now you already referenced this, the great awakening. And I feel like it's in the process now as well, because it feels like a lot more people are getting at least information about tuning in, even if they are not fully on board yet. There's a lot more people who are at least understanding that there is some values to how things were done in ancient tribes when you sat around and you talked about you had real community. And when I talk about real community, it's this power of honest conversations. It's this ability to channel your energy together for the same purpose. It's this, I don't know, the process of sitting around together and just being present in the moment. And what's really, really interesting is in today's society, whenever I talk to men, specifically men, and you ask them about like, hey, what is like your group of closest friends? Do you have the ability to talk about anything without judgment? It feels like a lot of people are missing that component. Like a lot of people just go, hey, I have one or two friends. But even with them, I couldn't be fully transparent, fully honest about what's going on in my life. And that makes sense. That makes sense. That's also a reason why I created my Golden Goddess Circle because I wanted that connection. And it makes sense that especially men have not experienced that as much yet for different reasons. Because the different men's upbringing is usually different. The programming is different and a big thing is we are still living in a patriarchy. And in a patriarchy, a patriarchy is based on hierarchy. It only works in a hierarchy. So you have the pyramid, right? And in a hierarchy in a patriarchy, you want to be at the top. You need to be the top dog. So you have a lot of dogs underneath you that you can kick. And the only way that you know that you're a top dog is by buying into this programming of I've got to be the fastest, the smartest, the richest, the most influential, all that, right? I've got to be the top. But the thing that cannot happen in a hierarchy is intimacy. So we've been living this for a couple of thousand years. And yeah, especially with all the going ons in the last couple of years and technology also adding to this. We have lost, I think, part of that human connection. We're no longer sitting around fires in small tribes. We have all these boxes that we've built ourselves and we often don't know our neighbors. So yeah, we've lost that connection. And that's what crisis is always good for. Crisis brings us together. And what you would referring to, that's what I would call a healthy human bonding. So things are shifting and, you know, women, what I've known from my experience, have an easier time being vulnerable with each other, sharing all their shit. But that's also not always good because us women will then maybe sometimes sit together for, I don't know, one or two hours and just talk about the problems. Guess what happens then? We'll have more problems because we've put our focus on all the problems and instead of looking for the solutions together. So I've become very diligent there with my girlfriends and my environment, and I literally start people. If people come to me and they're like, "I can't do this and this, and this is a problem," and they're like, "I'll listen for about five minutes and say, okay, I got the gist now. Now, why do you actually want to go? How would you like to feel? What could you be grateful for just to shift the energy? Because we do become like the five people that we hang out most of the time with. Yeah, and I love you so much in this moment specifically for saying that because this is the exact conversation that my wife and I always have. We go, "Today more than ever, therapy is out there. It feels like almost everyone is in some type of therapy." And my counter argument has always been, "Hey, it's wonderful to talk about your issues." At a certain point, you have to actually take some action to build new habits, to get out of it. What's interesting to me is when I find myself in these conversations with someone who's like, "Hey, I've been diligently going to therapy for 10 years, twice a week, and doing this thing." And I go, "So have you broken through? Have you had the ability to turn your mind positive?" And when I find people who just say, "Oh, I'm still having the same issues based on this," it's always interesting to me that the way that we look at services in general is if I get the service, "I'm better," or like, "I get this," but we never approach that way towards mental issues. We never go, "Hey, I've been with the same therapist for five years. The issue is not resolved yet. Maybe this isn't 100% my approach." Like the right. That is also, you know, that's the program of therapy. I mean, I've done therapy too. I love having different coaches and mentors that I work with, but I know it's up to me. I can get advice, I can get guidance, I can have someone hold me accountable, but I know it's going to be up to me to actually make the change happen. And in, yeah, I could, I actually think I could make way more money if I followed that paradigm. And so, "Yeah, you've come for your weekly session, my love, and we'll get there to take a while." That doesn't feel right for me because I don't want to play part of that. I call it the Guruism. It really, it sickens me. There's so many examples out there where I'm like, "Holy moly, how can you give all your power when you please you heal me, I'll kiss your feet and you're going to heal me, you're going to tell me which way to go." No, you know this all yourself. Take the time and trust yourself and start, as you say, start regurgitating the problem and the past constantly because that way you're only going to create more of what you do not want. That's really, I'd prefer people there to distract themselves. To distract yourself of the big problem that is there and focus on where you actually want to go. If you can conjure up some form of gratitude, some form of positive feeling, you're going to switch your state. And then if you're vibing higher and you can measure this stuff, right, if I'm vibing at a really high frequency, I'm going to attract things around me that are of that same frequency. So I'm going to bring in more of what I want. If I spend my time grumping around and feeling depressed and in that victim mode, I'm just going to get more of that. And that is truth. And it's uncomfortable, I get it. But we are the creators of our own reality. Thank God. I love that. I love that. And the big thing that you keep coming back to is taking steps by yourself to make sure that you are on this path. It doesn't feel to you today more than ever or at least more than from what I've seen. Like people for whatever reason, let go of self accountability and almost like lay off that thing on somebody else because a lot of the time it's easier. Do you feel like that's happening? I do. I think, you see, I think us humans are generally actually lazy. We have a really lazy game. That's why we love habits, right? Because that's our way. Why are we so lazy? Well, we've come for pleasure, haven't we? We've come for pleasure. I didn't want to work too hard. But we've given the idea that we've got to work really hard to get anyway, which is not true. So we've just got lost, I think. Yeah, life is too easy. Finding ourselves and getting back in alignment is so much easier than we're told. Really it is. Kids can do it. And kids are so good at it, right? Look how quickly kids' moods change. Strack them and say, "Hey, look here, there's a rainbow," "Oh, my goodness, there's a rainbow." We could adopt more of that openness and that playfulness. I keep telling people, you know, mammals learn through play, and you're a mammal too. All mammals. So we've got to learn how to play more, but lighten up a bit, stop taking ourselves so incredibly seriously, and we'll have a good time. I think we've got this. I have great hope and humanity. We need to. Me too. Me too. And play is such an important part, and the other big aspect of children's experience that I find a lot of people let go of as they get older is the ability to just be naturally curious. I feel like a lot of the time when we see something that we don't understand, in the back of our mind, there is this little voice, and I don't know if it's your intuition or not, but it goes like, "What is that? I wonder. I need to know." And a lot of people when I hear that voice, they just get scared. I love that you said that. I wonder. And I say that to myself, before we see that the moment we pass the judgment, the moment we've decided, "I know that," we have closed off all other doors. So if we're able to, as you say, keep that open mind and to wonder more often, rather than get cross about things, we do ourselves a great service. We really would. Yeah. Why does that sense of, "I wonder," go away? Well, I think a lot of it is really our brainwaves, so it's natural. You see, when we're born up until the age of two, we're in delta brainwaves. That's when you and I are fast asleep. And then at the age of two, we switch into theta brainwaves, still super relaxed. We stay in theta until about seven, and that means those first seven years, that's why they're called programming years in psychology, because we didn't have a filter, so everything that we experienced is stored there. And then when we reach age seven, we switch into alpha, still super relaxed, but that's when we start school usually, right? So we're forced to sit in a classroom listening to some boring teacher saying something, and we've got to do that until we hit puberty, and then we switch into beta, which is the brainwave state that adults usually are in. But you see, the beta brainwave is super busy, super chaotic. It's not a great manifestation energy. So when children were programmed with all the stuff, and then we switch into the beta brainwave, and then we usually lose connection. So children up until they hit puberty, they're all connected, they all know. But we're putting them into these boxes, we're telling them what's right. You know, until we're 18, we hear, I think, 150,000 times, who we are, who we are not, what we're good at, what we're not good at, and that just becomes our reality, we believe it. So I think a lot of the work that we do from puberty onwards is unlearning stuff that we've been told this is how it is. So stay curious, stay skeptical. I love skeptical people. I love people who ask good questions, because you don't want to be that loud, who just says, "Okay, well, that's how it is." "Oh, use your brain. You've got a good brain on you, and use your heart. You can feel things." Or say, "Yeah, but I don't have an education. I don't know things." Or say, "Maybe not, but you feel it. You know if someone's good for you or not." And I find like that, just even that statement, like a lot of the time it's not about education, it's not about like the whatever knowledge that you taught was so important in the schooling world, but a lot of the time it's the ability to tune in, to use your common sense, to just go, "Hey, like, I don't know what that is. I wonder." So, let me ask you this big question, Joy. What is this human experience as a whole? Like, are we just here to find joy and walk through this weird experience? Or is there something more that's hidden inside of the experience that we are searching for? I think it's an experience. Yes, I think our main purpose is to experience maximum amount of joy, to have as many experiences possible to make it a rich experience. You know, we live in a quantum multiverse, meaning that their endless realities, endless timelines, endless possibilities, we've happened to have chosen Earth, which is very unique, right? So, it's an interesting place. So, we chose to come here to have an experience that we call life and to learn and to grow and to connect with people and to learn how deep can I love, how much joy can I experience? What's it like to be a human? You know, we have this wide range of emotions. We, not all planets have sex, not all planets have food the way we have. So, I think we truly are living in paradise. And we just need to get out of our own way more often. And I love how you said, you know, it's often just rational thinking. Intuition is way closer to rational thinking than we know. And you also saying that, you know, it's not about just gaining knowledge. No, it's not. I know so many people who are super smart in the sense they've studied a lot of things, but when it comes to common sense and everyday life, they're often useless. So, I feel like that's a common thing. I feel like that's a common thing with wisdom is if I know how to apply that knowledge. And to know when and how to apply the knowledge, I believe you need intuition. And that is a split second intuition is thought that you have before you start thinking about it. Yeah, and I love the way that you talk about intuition because it feels like intuition is the opposite of system. Like a lot of the time we just get caught in these systems, whether it's like education is the perfect example of this, where there are people who are just PhDs and do incredible research, but never really come up with anything practical and never really tune into like that what is actually happening in the universe. And I feel like this happens in every single system that we as a society built, where the system kind of takes us away from using our intuition, losing this wonder, and getting on the page of here is where I fall in the hierarchy rather than coming back to this idea of we are all one and we are here just to experience joy. I'm just sovereign, you know, I would love every listener to ponder on that word sovereignty. Because that sovereignty is, I think when we start claiming that as single human beings, we'll start investing more into values like freedom and compassion and connection and this oneness. Yeah. What does freedom mean to you? Well, is that freedom? I used to think freedom means that I can do whatever I want whenever I want. And then I discovered, no, freedom actually is that I could be who I am wherever I am. Who you are wherever you are. And that is a really, really powerful, powerful statement because, again, coming back to this idea of who am I? I feel like it's the biggest question that a lot of people spend their entire life searching for and a lot of people never really find. What was your journey into finding who you are like and how long did it take you to figure out that you are this person who is joyful, looking at life as a positive experience? I'm still on that journey. And you know what? I don't want that journey to be over until I literally leave that body. And I want to look back on my life and in that last time and say, God it. And I think, you know, I know, because I've worked with dying to the moment we pass over when lightened to all going to go through there. So the only thing is, what am I going to do in that relatively short period of time between my first and my last breath? Can I feel that time with the maximum amount of joy and love and peace and good things, because then the likelihood that I'll look back on my life and feel I did a good job is very much higher than if I feel I have to follow some system. Please other people to get the allowance to be myself and all this complicated quick stuff. That's just going to make it harder on us. So it takes courage. I think what I've noticed is it's a continuous stretching. It's a continuous expansion. And every time I expand out a bit more means I have to leave my comfort zone. I have to leave what I know, and I have to have the courage to go into the big unknown. And I now know at age 50, I've trained myself pretty well to be comfortable with being uncomfortable. I'm, I almost celebrate it. I love it. But when new change is coming, because I know change is the only constant. And the more I fall in love with change, the more I'm open to just, you know, go with that flow. The more effortless and the more joyful my life is. So it's really, it's just more practical. I have so much appreciation for that. And I saw this really, really interesting quote this morning that literally was talking about an obituary being a paragraph long. And it goes, it doesn't matter how big you think that problem is today. At the end of the day, none of us get out of this experience alive. And it's all about making sure the experience is as good as possible. Now, let me challenge you into the area of unknown, and it's this one. We can both agree that based on thermodynamics read energy is neither created nor destroyed. And if there is some form of energy in us, that means whenever our life and this experience ends, energy goes somewhere. Where does that energy go? And, like, where, what does that mean for us as human beings? Okay. So that's a topic. Well, yes. And, you know, energy never dies. So that energy that I am and that you are is always going to be him. I also think that we are currently right now living multiple lifetimes in multiple realities, all at the same time, which is something my conscious mind can't understand, but this is a story I tell me. So when I leave this physical body, I will go back to that energy that once created me, call it source, call it the one or whatever it is, call it heaven, doesn't matter. And then the whole thing starts again. It just keeps going. It's endless. That's why, you know, it's not such a big if we make mistakes. It's not such a big if we fail because we're never going to really fail. We'll always have new chances to experience it again, then. I love that message so much. And I want to close it just with that, because it is so, so positive. And there is so much value in exactly that. No, no matter how big of a mistake, it might seem like today in the grand scheme of things. We all get through it. It's all about the experience. And it's all about making the best of it. Joy, you are absolutely phenomenal. Thank you so, so much for sharing your time with me and our audience. We appreciate it and love you. Thank you. Thank you. Divine light shine. I'm going to leave you with that. And thank you guys for listening. We'll see you next time. [BLANK_AUDIO]