Chrissie is joined by Joe from Good Lawgic as he explains the Nick Rekieta situation from a legal standpoint.
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That's your safe belt, it's gonna be a bump you want. Chrissy is hilarious. Chrissy, have you ever heard of your comedian Qasha K. Ali? No, that sounds like something you yell at before you blow up a plane. I was scared to use by the title, everything everywhere all I want, because that's also what we call it, when the ass kicks off in the shirt. Hello boys and girls, sorry for the tardiness, welcome to another episode of the Chrissy Mayor podcast, you can listen to this podcast on iTunes, YouTube, Spotify, SoundCloud, Rumble, Rockfin, Twitter, Twitch, Facebook, even for some reason, while they still let me. My goodness, the talk of the town, the talk of the internet, these past couple of weeks has been the Nick Riccata debacle involving April and Erin Imholz, also Nick's wife. I come with this from an interesting perspective as I am friendly with Nick, I am friendly with Erin and April, haven't heard from April since before the baby was born, but for any of you out there being like, oh, Chrissy's grifting, you know, I guess we're all grifting, I guess anybody who talks about news is a grifter, so don't come at me with the grifting thing, okay? I texted Nick just the other day, I talked to Erin a couple days ago, you know what I mean? So, and everything I'm going to talk about is public, there were some DMs that were made public, there was a supplemental report that has come out that we will be discussing, but you know, I'm, I do not have a legal brain, I barely have a functioning brain, so, and I can't blame pregnancy brain anymore, so I brought in somewhat of an expert fellow New Yorker, New York litigator, his YouTube channel is called Good Logic, he is suing judge merchant to ungag Trump, which is really going to be a whole other episode, I want to have him back on to talk about that for sure, but I'm so happy he's here to help me unravel this nitricated stuff, welcome to the show Good Logic, thank you, I'm here to enrich the level of tardiness, so good, you know, why, why should black people have all the lateness, you know, right, right, how are you doing, I'm doing okay, sorry we were late guys, we were, we launched into a whole, we were bonding basically, we're, we're both fellow New Yorkers and I launched into some of my personal drama, which is not, is not a quick conversation, but anyway, there God, this has been such a hot story, and, you know, I don't have time to watch everybody's YouTube coverage of this, and I'm, I'm friendly with and have streamed with many of the people who are talking about this story right now, and there seems to be contention like that, and I feel like the internet is very quick to put people into camps right now, and what I'm seeing on, in the comments section and on Twitter is like, who was on what side, who is, who's drifting, who's defending Nick, who's defending Aaron, you know, who cares about neither side and, and just wants to rake in the sweet, sweet super chats, and that's why I appreciate people, people like you, and legal mindset, and a few others who seem to really be coming at this kind of objectively, and I did listen briefly to, what, Beva Fry and Robert Barnes coverage of it, like they kind of came at it from the angle of, you could, on the surface level, it almost looks like they're defending Nick, but they're coming at it from like, I guess, Barnes is like a constitutionalist, but I think that was even before this new kid element came out, so there's so much to process, and, and I wanted to get your take of things, because I think this new supplemental report came out fairly recently, so I wanted to get your take on just kind of your thoughts through, through kind of every step of the way from your first reaction to what you've seen so far, and, and what you make of things, you know, as they are right now. Well, you know, this is a lot, when we're looking at a story or a situation like this, so it is obviously more complicated when someone we know, and have a, an established relationship with, and that many of us, even more than that, you know, people talk about a parasocial relationship, or, you know, it's not a real relationship, you know, or, you know, I met Nick once, right, and I, I generally like the guy and consider him a friend, but it becomes weirder when you feel like this guy basically helped build my livelihood and gave me access to literally making, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not potentially millions of dollars a year. Why did I become a lawyer? What's wrong with me? Why did? What I'm saying is, how do you, how do you, how do someone who does that for you and doesn't ask for anything in return, someone who gives you that kind of key, and people sell, it's like, people sell that sort of like opportunity to you, like, you know, pay me, pay me $350, you know, pay me $300 a month, and I'll teach you how to like, you know, get this term. He literally did that, not just for me, but for like a dozens of people. I mean, if you think about how many, how many millions of dollars people have been able to generate. Oh, yeah. That never happens at all. The entire law to concept, I mean, you can joke about what it is. It's not a group people law to, it's a genre of what people do, and none of us would be doing it. And if we were doing it, we can't, none of us would have thought to do it without him. And if anyone would have thought to do it, the, the rapid growth that it's had never would have possibly happened. And I'm not just talking, it's definitely not just me. I mean, the, the growth of Nate, the lawyer, the beaver Fry, it was, was pretty well established. Um, lead attorney says he would have been nothing without him. That dude is raking in millions legal mindset, nothing, Branca, how much money he's breaking, bringing in any d baker, Emily D Baker, who's like, who's like, you know, the queen of, of the genre, she almost certainly would not have, have launched into this, if not for what happens with the written house trial. He literally, he was recognized as the pope because he built an opportunity for so many of us, and so many of us are fortunate enough to be capitalizing on having what really is the most amazing job in the world. And that's, that's really far more enriching than almost any other job and more enjoyable than anything other job. And I'm sure people were able to leave, like, I'm sure a few people left, getting a band, a band and sucky, painful type of litigation or other transactional work that so many of us hate. And none of us, like literally none of us, we would all, we could all look at it, what our, what our, we would be right now and it'd be a small fraction of what we are. So that's why it's like, so I don't know how close am I to him, how many hours of my life have I spent in compared to so many other people in my life, or, you know, or what sort of personal things I've shared by myself compared with him compared to other people, he would be pretty well down on the list. But I and so many of us, like how someone who gives you access to that, that literally changes your entire life. And then to feel like, okay, so I'm going to be in a position now where I'm bashing this guy, it's like, what the f is wrong with you? Like how the hell can you possibly do that? And the only factor that to me really does it really changes the entire equation. I don't give a damn how much this guy has done for you. The fact that it changes is kids. That's really, that's really, that's really it. Like if like you hear that, you know, if he has problems with drugs, which most of us readily jump to that conclusion, this definitely, I mean, look, the guy's got 26 grams of freaking coke in his house or something, he's got, if it's not 26, he's got, he's got, he's got pretty massive Tony Montana type of stash that sounds like in his house. Like an eight ball is like three grams, right? That's the most common. He's shooting with these eight balls. I was thinking like a snowball, like they sell the gas, like I'm picturing it's that much coke. I just have no idea. And you sort of say to yourself, look, if he doesn't draw a bottle of drugs, all right, look, it's unfortunate. Maybe it's disappointing. It's disheartening. And you sort of feel like let down about it. But when you feel like you, you, you owe everything about what your life is to this guy. How do you turn on this guy, especially when you know, the state lies all the time, but then the factor of kids comes in and you're like, no, no, I cannot, I can't, I don't care what the guy's done for me. If he really has put his kids in a messed up situation, if it's really that level, then you're like, I can, how much, how am I supposed to, or anyone's supposed to be like, yeah, that's okay. No, no, because then you're then that that's where it changes the entire equation. If he had no kids at all, like imagine a situation, Nick, kid has no children at all. I would say anyone who's turning on him and looking to bash him, who's, you know, was once a friend of his, is a thousand percent a complete and total a-hole. Like, like how ungrateful- Then it's the question of just a person- Self-destruction. In addiction, yeah. Right. Right. And their own personal self-destruction. It's the fact, it's the kind, it's the fact, the idea that this self-destruction, and we're assuming itself destruction, you know, based on what we saw from that stream last week. So, and from other things, you know, whether you could, the degeneracy that people have seen over the last year, year and a half or so. So yeah, you can look at that as that self-immolation, but when it starts affecting kids, that's when it's like, no, no, I can't, I don't care, I don't, it's just like this is not about me or whatever you've done to influence millions of people's lives. I mean, this is your own kids, that that's where it becomes inexcusable. And that's why- There's some news like, oh, well, let's, let's, we'll have to consider all the money I've made and the views I've made before these poor defendants and kids. Precisely. Right. Because then you're being a selfish dick. Like, it's like, oh, I'm grateful to you. And then your gratitude, at the very least, looks like you're valuing your own money over, over innocence, over, over genuine innocence. So that's why it's like, okay, if I really believe that these kids are, and then, and then the factor comes in, okay, so where do we draw the line when it comes to the kids? Like obviously, you know, if he was directly hurting them, everyone, that's clearly out of bounds that everyone would be like, you're effed up in the head, go to prison for the rest of life, you schmuck, right? Every one of us would be saying that when it's like, okay, is he being neglectful? Are they being neglected? What does that mean when you say neglectful? I mean, look, I don't, here's, and here's where I'm like, I know this guy is driving all over the place, he never misses anything for his kids, he's homeschooling them, he's doing everything he can. If he felt like he's using on the side here and there, do I think that that's the best thing a healthiest thing to do? No, but do I feel like that's something that for that, you know, because every once in a while he'll go out and take something illegal. Imagine not today, don't think about what we know today, imagine what we saw six months ago. He's going out, taking care of his kids and doing all this other stuff. A functioning addict, right? I mean, I don't, I'm not saying to excuse it, but I'm saying it's now coming from a position I'm coming from. Am I going to basically sit here saying, you know, F you, you're a schmuck because, you know, because when you were watching that, that game, you know, you took, you took a hit and you were like, not in the same freedom, it's like, that, that, that feels like very judgmental. I mean, it's like, it's, so that's why it's sort of like, and the problem is, we don't know. I don't think anyone's telling us the truth a hundred percent. I don't think anyone in this story, I don't think for a second that Nick is telling me the truth a hundred percent. I don't think for a second. Aaron's telling us the truth, I don't think the police are telling us the truth. So none of us know what the actual truth is. Instead, we're sitting here trying to basically dissect and say, is this part true? Is it not true? What? What do I actually read? What's their evidence of? And, and, and you're sort of in this murky area where it's like, okay, if I believe this set of facts are true, and you believe these set of facts, which are slightly different, but somewhat overlapping. And now how are we going to look at each other that way? Why are you not where I am as far as what my mind said as far as the facts that I believe is because your nose guarding, or is it because you're grifting and you're trying to turn on your friends? And by turning on your friends, you're going to get a lot more clicks and a lot more views that way because everyone's going to be like, yeah, go get them, go get them. Yeah. It's like, so now this, this creates a different type of friction in people who are just covering this story as to whether people have, have wrongful motivations. So and it makes it, and just makes this like a crazy soup drama, the drama. Right. Plus there's people who let's say have always hated Ben Jealous of Nick, his success, his money, whatever. And any time someone's in the news or like being canceled, the psychology of that is like, ooh, we're all, we're all jumping in. It's blood sports. It's time to, time to shit on Nick, because I've always hated him. These people get excited and fired up and very vocal and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and, and you know, this is, and then if you, if you're talking to people who, who are from that camp, and you basically say, well, you know, I don't really believe he's doing needles. It's like, oh, you're nose guarding, he knows, and I'm like, but they literally found zero needles in his house. Like why tell me this track marks, they literally, they searched his entire house, couldn't find a single needle. You're nose guarding your, you know, as you're sweeping, you're sweeping, sweep from Nick. It's like, like, like what, like I'm just trying to assess what's truth, what's not because everyone in this story, everyone who's telling me this story from their perspective is lying somewhat. And I don't, and I'm just trying to figure out, okay. Where is this embellishment from Aaron or this complete lie from Aaron? Where's this, where's this embellishment or lie from Nick? Where's this embellishment or lie from the police? I don't know. I don't know. And it's so early at this stage that it's like, okay, I'd rather err on the side of trusting the guy who has been, has been true to me, who I do know. And that's where, why would that not be my starting position given where I started this entire conversation? This is a guy who I do consider a friend who has been nothing but completely generous to me, who seems, who seems completely based and certainly seems like he's got some sort of addiction problems, certainly with alcohol, I mean, anyone would recognize that. Some friends are alcoholics and, and, and, and, and, and, and, you know, from what we've seen over the last, over the last couple of weeks at the very least, you know, some sort of issues with drugs as well. So, so it's like, and I don't even know if he, if he knows whether he's telling me the truth sometimes now, like it's like you sort of in this whole murky area and we the public have no way of knowing what the truth is. And I think what you just said is so apt, like if you start in a certain camp, you're going to believe the story that you want to believe and if you start in the I hate Nick camp, you're going to assume every negative thing said about him is 100% true. And if you start in the, in the I love Nick camp, you're going to, you're going to start with an assumption that everything you've seen about him as negative is false. And the, and the reality of the world is definitely somewhere in between those two extremes. And the problem is we, it's so hard for us to figure out what it is. And people are so afraid of guessing wrong, especially when, you know, especially because the kid factor, because the kid factor makes it like, okay, if I'm guessing wrong, I mean, if I'm guessing wrong, I'm an asshole, you know what I'm saying? It's like I'm a complete asshole. So it's like, it's such a, it's such, losing a friend. If you jump to a conclusion and it's this balance of like, God, do I want to report on this? Do I risk losing a friendship or an acquaintance? It is tricky. And I'm sure there's people on both sides that are like, I'm not going to really report on it or give my, my true feelings and thoughts on it because I don't want to, I don't want to lose there in April as a friend, I don't want to lose Nick as a friend. So there's shades of gray everywhere. Right. Right. I mean, and yeah, that, I mean, that whole elements, the relationship also just sort of like, is another completely different element outside of the legal activity, but just like as far as the, the, the crazy level of wrinkles that come into the story because of this relationship between these two couples and, and, and which, you know, it, people may consider immoral or, or whatever and be passing judgment based on that. And I'm not saying that that I'm, I'm, I'm not here to pass along what's moral or what's immoral, you know, like that's why it's, it's easier for me to sort of focus on legal versus illegal, but then, but then again, that's where the kids change everything because it's like, if you're effing up these kids, because you're, you're conducting some sort of weird relationship, like how much judgment should be passed on that as well. Right. There be, uh, there, whether they're being neglected consciously or unconsciously, it's like the fact still remains. Um, if it's true, they're actually going to, to some preschool teacher, like complaining of being, uh, hungry and dirty. And it's like, and it's like, if they're not, if they're, if their clothes aren't being changed in a number of days, well, that tells me they're not being bathed or washed and, uh, it breaks my heart. So right. Although, I mean, I'll tell you right now, when you talk about being bathed or being washed, you're a newborn, you're a mother of a newborn, right? Six year olds bathed themselves. You know what I'm saying? It's like you said, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Buns themselves. Yeah. You're like good. Yeah. So I learned that they're four, four or five years old, they're bathing themselves. So as far as their failure to hygiene, I mean, yeah, it's a five year old really gonna be like, sorry, mom. I gotta go shower. Be right back. Like, I think most kids are going to let themselves be like, yeah, they will made themselves. They're going to be. They're going to be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They will. I mean, yeah. So I don't, I mean, I've seen kids who basically insist I'm wearing the same, I've had kids who are like, I'm wearing the same sweatshirt every day. Make your kid to make sure they're clean. To make sure they're clean. Right. No, I understand. I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to excuse, I'm not trying to excuse, um, filth. I'm simply, I'm simply saying, I know, I know kids who basically are like, I've had kids who are like, no, I'm wearing this sweatshirt. You worn it for the last six days. No, I'm wearing it again. Thank you. My favorite sweatshirt. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's like, so, so I don't know. Look, everyone's going, we're going to get them seen the body cam footage. We're going to see that. And I'll tell you right now. The body cam footage. Right. So that is the cop who, what, who broke down his door. The multiple cops. There's, there's, there's like, I think six or eight cops who were in there. So we're going to, we're all going to get a tour of the Riccata home and that's not my fear. It's like, you know what? Now I will always be picking up for fear if there's someone breaks down my door. I want everything to look like camera ready. Yeah. We never know guys. Is that, is that like your mother said, like that's why we're clean underwear? Like, this is an accident. This is the 2020 war version of always make sure you have seen underwear. You always make sure your house is picked up. You never know when cops are going to break down. You're going to go like, okay, I'm going to get the ramming. I've been swatted twice. I don't know if things were as tidy as they could have been. Now I'm, I'm, I'm good buddies with the local police. They, they know me now. So this is very scary. Um, all right. So I've done my best to, that's, that's part of why I started late. I was busy kind of crossing out things that I don't really want shown. So this supplemental report, um, do you know when exactly this came out? I, let's go yesterday, yesterday. So hot the presses, um, I'm going to, I guess I'm going to bring up page by page and you're going to tell me, uh, what do these things mean? I'm going to do my best to go in order and I have, I, I have crossed things out. Let's see. Go, go, go, go. The first page is, um, God, it's like they, they do mention kind of everybody. It seems like everybody in the family. And I, and I crossed out all the kids name. It's like the, it says the case number. It's so crazy to me. I'm reading through all this. It's like, wow, they have to mention their birthday and their address. Like every time they mentioned someone's name, it's a little, it's kind of like, I mean, I mean, I, I've, I've given up on trying to protect the doxing of Nick or Kayla because it doesn't, that's, it's so everywhere. I try, I really focus on trying to keep the kids names out. So it's not always possible and every once in a while, even yesterday when I was reading something off that I wasn't sharing on screen accidentally use one of the kids names. So it's, it's, it's kind of hard, but let's say, uh, yeah, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. See, you know what, I'm just going to bring this up. Start with something I can show, here we go. Okay. Well, turns out I'm retarded and this thing I was using to edit everything. I don't know if it ain't really saved, but, uh, let me pull this up, do, do, do, do, do. Okay. Well, I think the most interesting thing is, uh, where they go into God. Like the evidence page, I think is pretty, pretty interesting because it's like, wow, uh, when you read what exactly was found, it's a little bit jarring. Um, I think that's it, da, da, da, da, da, no, that's not it. Wow. Real professional operation you got here, mayor. Yeah. No, don't worry about it. One day I'll be able to afford a producer. Okay. Okay. That's wild to me. Um, are you able to enlarge that? Um, because right now it's kind of small. It's very small. Not that. Or at least, at least maybe change our position so it gets a little bit bigger. Okay. Oh, there you go. That's perfect. There we go. I have a touchscreen. I wouldn't do that. There you go. Okay. Perfect. Uh, this is wild. This is so, um, well, maybe the snort tube could have been used for some time. Something else. No, they found this, the following items were located in the master bedroom near the night stand. Could one argue, uh, well, if all the drugs were in the master bedroom in the parents' bedroom, could you argue? Well, it was no near, nowhere near the kids could, could Nick argue if he wanted to? The kids never saw me do drugs. The kids never saw me, uh, hi. Right. Could that be an argument? Well, I mean, the crime is the possession itself, right? So that's what, that's where we're starting with it. The crime is you're not allowed to possess the drugs. The question, if you're a prosecutor, you're going to come out and say, it's such as this concept of constructive possession, meaning it's your house, your control. You, it's the drugs are there. So we're going to, the law will deem you as having, as having control over it. So it's like you're possessing. It's like you, you possess your, your car right now and you're not in your car, right? So it's not, but it's under your control. So therefore, therefore, that's, that's deemed possession that the, that will attach this as something that you are possessing and if it's something that's illegal to possess, like narcotics, in that case, we're going to charge you with possession. So that's, that's where constructive possession comes in. And that if you're, so that's what the prosecutor would say. That's what the state would say. The defense attorney would be like, well, wait, is it Nick? Is it Kayla's? Who is it? Like, is it, is it, is maybe it's April's, I mean, April was supposed to be in the house all the time. Is it hers? Like maybe, you know, you can try to argue, I guess, I mean, if one stuff isn't, isn't your personal safe, it's harder to say that's April's than it's yours, right? You know, at least no, it's that you at least know it's there. Her credit cards were there with, with Coke, Coke covered credit cards. Right. Right. So like, you know, what are her, why are her credit cards there? So, yeah, each, each defendant would sort of be saying, how do you know it's me, not, and you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that it's mine. And here are all these different people, you know, maybe it's Aaron's, you know, that they just never cleaned out. Who knows? So, you know, you sort of left. And that's what defense counsel would basically try to say, you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this is, this is mine. So yeah, you want to try and say I'm constructively possessing it. I mean, how do you know that he even knew about it? Now if it's in plain view, it's a little harder than say that. If it's personal safe, it's a little harder to defend that. So that's why the location of these things ends up playing a little bit more of a critical role than perhaps people realize. We tend to look at the items themselves, but from the purposes of identifying it from a legal perspective, where these are does start to play a little bit more of a role. The more, you know, if it's in who's controlling the dresser there, you sort of, you sort of have, and that's what I'm just trying to give from, you brought me in here as the lawyers. I'm going to try and give you the different perspectives that we'll have from the side of the state versus each of these is two separate defendants and what arguments they could potentially make in here. So yellow snore to positive for cocaine. Yeah. I mean, that doesn't give you quantities also. You have to be certain quantity levels. And that's why the quantities were drug going to come up shortly where they have three different areas that they add together with respect to the cocaine ends up becoming, you know, kind of more of a factor. Yeah. Yeah. So, and a gun, well, I've heard some folks say, well, you could have shell casings and never fire that weapon. You could be out of the range. The shell casings could jump down your shirt and then, you know, you come home, you take your shirt off the shell casings fall on the ground. I don't think there's any claim that he fired off the gun inside his house. I don't know that there's any, there's any claim to that effect. I don't even know there's a claim that there's a 22 caliber gun in his house. Yeah. Right. I mean, so, so as far as what these shell casings are, I think I think at this juncture, the state, even the state isn't raising any charges with that with respect to that themselves. The issue with respect to the gun charges is that, you know, you're not allowed to mix your cocaine use with gun use, and he's got these guns around, that they're implying are loose and available. And that's, you know, and so that is the crime as far as that you have a cocaine with the guns. If there was no cocaine, the guns would not be a problem. It's him saying, and if there's guns in theory that, you know, just alone, that wouldn't be the problem. It's the fact that they're, they're both here, which is creating the issue. But there's, I don't think this spent shell casings are going, I don't think either side are going to find the spent shell casings here to be anything of particular. What if the guns were all locked up in a way and like, I don't know, in a gun cooler or whatever, a trunk, would that, would that be? So, okay. So again, I'm not a criminal defense attorney. I've been covering this story. And I know I've been, I've had enough discussions about this that I feel confident having, you know, conversations, lawnless, these lawns with you, but you're at now you're asking me if the guns are locked away and the question also comes in in Minnesota. It does see, and this is an area that, you know, Barnes basically has gone down where he was basically like, so you're saying it's, there's no crime in being a gun owner. It doesn't make it more of a crime to be a gun owner when you're using cocaine than not being a gun owner. And if it is, that would be a violation of your second amendment rights to basically say that, oh, it's an enhanced crime of possessing drugs because you're a gun owner. Hey, you know, and if you look at, if you look at guns the way most of middle America looks at guns, the guns are not, the guns are a tool, then, and it's kind of like, it's a car. So you're not allowed, you're not allowed to drive under the influence either. So that's kind of the analogy that they would draw is that it's like saying it's illegal to own alcohol in a car, like that sounds insane. So that's how they look at it. We grew up in New York, right? We grew up in Long Island. So it's like, we grew up in New York, we're over here, guns are scary, and we don't really appreciate that mindset at all as far as like, you know, like looking at guns and that sort of light. But for the rest of the country, you're afraid to even see one and then you're like, ah, it's like the same feeling that when you see drugs, you're like, oh, it just feels, it feels icky. And then you get older and you go to a range and you shoot a couple off and you're like, oh, yeah, this is fine. And you get more comfortable with it the more you handle one. Right. Right. So that's why I'm saying is to most of the country, to the overwhelming majority of, you know, of at least property territory in this country, yeah, people who live there are like, what the hell's wrong with you? How is that different from alcohol in a car, you know, drugs and, and possessing? I'm not saying use them together. You can't use alcohol in cars together either, so. Right. So a lot of drugs were found, a lot of coke, ketamine, a lot of a hair finale, a lot of accessories. And when we first heard this story, when this story first broke and when he was arrested, I'll remind you, everyone thought this was level five, um, possession, which is the higher the number, the, the lower the, um, the lower degree of severity, say everyone thought this was level five. They're like burns, you know, like when you have a third degree burn, it's not that bad. Precisely. First degree burn. Right. Precisely. So over here, the, the lower the number of the more, the more grave the crime and the more serious the punishment obviously, let me attach to that. So by the time he got to Raymond, it's only, it was only at the arraignment itself when he came up there in that hearing that the world learned that this was level two, which is a whole different thing. Yeah, that cut off between level two and level three is a 25 grams. So that that 25 grams is a very key number because if you look at, if you, if you end up looking, especially at a sentencing chart as to how they're sentenced, like first time offender who's never, let's assume from his criminal record that I've seen that anyone else has seen, he has, he had a, uh, a speeding ticket that he got that, um, goes back like a year or so, but his criminal record seems to be completely clean from what I looked up his, his records as listed in Minnesota. So first time offender lawyer has a, you know, well established reputation, despite his degeneracy online over the last year or so, but he's, you know, considered in the community to stand up guy. He's a, you know, goes to church, he's active in his community, you know, think of things of that nature. He's a father. He's, you know, he's, he has roots in his roots, like real roots and he's living like what most people from, you know, certainly would, would look as being a productive life. So now, um, and it's his first offense. Yeah. It's like small town values, but with cocaine, uh, that's if there was no kid element to this at all. A hundred percent. Oh, it's a hometown guy who loves cocaine, but then the question comes in like, if they're kids, what does everyone really want here? What everyone really wants is for him to like not be on coke with his family taking care of them. Right? I mean, that's, that's ultimately what they're looking for. And it seems very likely that, you know, an attorney who's working for him, especially if it's a lower level of fence, the lower the level, if you're distributing coke, you're not going to, you're not going to get a great deal from the state, but if it's a low level of offense, if it's under that 25 grams, especially normal sentencing guidelines would have him looking at 21 months. As soon as it crosses over that 25 with 21 months is what a little more than a year and after the three quarters, right? Once it crosses over 25 grams, it goes up to 48 months, that's four years. That's a, that's a whole different thing already. So that's why that cut off ends up becoming a very significant, a significant factor. But still, as far as like, if you're his defense council right now, right, you're stepping in there as his lawyer. Is he planning himself though? No, he's not. I mean, look, he, at the arraignment, he was at the arraignment, he was. I spoke, I mean, I, I, I, I've spoken to enough to know he's not going to be defending himself. He's that's, that's just not going to happen. That would be great for the Netflix documentary, though. That would be, oh my God, no, yeah, the next thing you know, that's, imagine, wow, that would be the other, the other, the other self destruction of a man. If the next thing you know, it's like, you basically hear him, you see him on video screaming grounds, grounds, no, it's going to be like the second coming of our Brooks, that, that parade driver guy and self representing himself, no, please God, no, please God, no. So no one wants to see that we're not going to see that he's going to have counsel. If it ends up going all the way to trial, what he really should be looking to do is work a plea deal, where it's like, look, I got a problem. I'm going to go to rehab. I'm going to go straighten this out. I'll check in with the state, you don't want my kids' lives being destroyed. I've been a great family man and father for so many years. I had this issue that propped up in my life over the last, you know, relatively short period of my life. And you know, I'm really sorry about, it's not going to happen again. You can test me and I'll go to rehab and do all this different stuff and I'll plead down to some lower level of fencer, you know, some sort of record, take a hit on his, on his bar for the gap, his bar license maybe gets suspended for a little bit. And then basically, hopefully, get reestablished as the family man that so many people originally fell in love with, you know, and basically go out there and actually run healthy shows in a way that only can. So that would be ideal. And from the state's perspective, that's also kind of a win, right? If it's a tough case, which this can be a tough case for them, because there are questions as to like, well, is it April's is it Kayla's is it his and all this other stuff? And what is, what is the level here and what level punishment are we getting? If they can come out like they're the heroes here, that they basically course corrected this, this relative, you know, by small town standards, mega celebrity, right? I mean, in his town, in his community, he's considered, I'm sure he's, he's considered a celebrity. Oh, yeah. It can help course correct this celebrity and, you know, and help him fix his life for the prosecutor's office, that's a win. That's a real win. And you're helping the kids out that they actually have, you know, their parents around because it's not just him and legal jeopardy, it's his mother also who the hell wants to see these kids end up as wards of the state or forced to live with the grandparents the rest of our lives, you know, like, like, who the hell wants to see that? And I don't understand why the why the even the biggest Nick detractor in the world, even if you hate Nick or Kayla and think he's degenerate, whatever, I mean, you have to recognize that these kids are better off in his care than they are as wards of the state. I mean, that's, unless you get to be really kind of, kind of out there to say, no, in the interest of the kids, let's, let's have his entire life be destroyed. And unfortunately, I see too many people who seem to be having that notion. I don't even understand how that's considered a win for anyone. Well, it's hard to know it's hard to be on board with that because you don't, someone on the outside's like, well, this sounds pretty bad. I don't know the state of these kids. I'm not looking at them. So when, when some folks here, you say, well, they're better at Nick's care than, than being wards of the state. A lot of people would have a problem with that be like, well, there's clear negligence here. And who knows for how long it's been going on. But yes, the, the foster system is just rife with abuse and has all sorts of problems. And luckily there are, there were grandparents around to, to take it right when this first happened. Thank God. Thank God. No, but some of the chat said, oh, could the, could the fact that a digital scale was discovered me and that they, that perhaps they were selling drugs? I think you have a scale just because you just to know how much you're doing. Drug sales, drug sales, I, I believe the next level up is 50 grams. And that's where they start getting in. That's where they, that's where they start assuming your, your distributing. So at this level, if you have personalized stickers, then they'd be like, okay, look, there's clearly selling drugs. If you have a website, a handle, you have merch, I'm going to be making bad jokes probably throughout. Okay. So yes, this is a lot of stuff, but the worst of all these charges is, is the kid, is the kid charged, the negligence charge, right? I'm sorry. What was that? The worst, you know, worse than all, all these drugs and the gun stuff, the, the charges, the negligence charge is, is the worst one or the biggest one. Well, as far as how the public's looking at, as far as how the state's looking at it, no. I mean, let's, let's understand this. The charge is basically that, you know, is, is doing drugs around the kids is, it's, it's not, it's, it's not that he's abusing them. It's, it's not even a charge of neglect, it's that he's exposing these kids to drugs. It's not even a charge of neglect, which I, you know, this is an interesting thing. A lot of people looking forward to the body cam footage, and they're expecting that it's going to show like, you know, basically little orphan Annie running around there in rags. And, and, you know, with dirt on her face and, and, and if we see that, I'll tell you right now, you're not going to hear me defending anything, anything, anything about that, anything, if that's really what this date is, that's, that's, that's just like, no, no. But, yeah, I mean, we, we, I guess we're going to have to wait and see people are, people are making FOIA requests and coughing up money because the state is saying that they want $3,000 to parse through the body cam footage because they claim it's 50 hours of material to parse through and they're charging $60 an hour. So that's why they basically assessed a fee of $3,000, get their hands on it. But that money is, is being quickly rate, that money has almost certainly been raised already. And, you know, and if not, like one person just being like, here's three grand, boom, I need this footage. But, and that I'm positive that's going to end up being something that I would imagine within the next few days, within the next few days going to come out. It's a total weighted measurable cocaine. You said that as you said, it becomes a problem over 25 grams, right, right, 26.67 grams with packaging. Can't they be like, look, take the packaging off, I swear, it'll be less than 25. And, and the packaging, you know, it's funny. I had, that's the first thought I had as well. It's like, it's like, yeah, what is like, what is, what is the packaging way here? Although if I understand a bag, I think it weighs like a 10th of a gram. So, and there's, and there's a total of like, I don't know, I think if you go through all the baggies here, there's like, I don't know, six or seven baggies. So it doesn't seem like that would get him over it. You know, and if you're the state, you'd be like, look, we weigh 26 grams. If you're a defense, you'll be like, yeah, that seems like a little bit thumb. Maybe, you know, it's, it's almost like, it's like when you get caught driving 15 miles over the speed limit, and the next threshold is at 14 miles. And you're just like, really, you clocked me at exactly that. That's what you're talking about. I could have gone, I could have gone faster. It's no, it's also like, it seems very convenient that I happened for the state that I happened to cross this threshold into like, you know, far far graver. And then maybe, maybe you sort of bump that up a little bit here just to sort of come after me. So, you know, if it was at 30 grams, I think it would be, even though 25 is the cutoff, I think at 30 grams, it's harder for him to sort of please, you know, try to push that this is an over inflated number than when, you know, without baggies, you know, it's, it's one, it sounds like it's like one of the way I'm over. So, okay. Alright, so that's the drug charges. Okay, we did that. Let's see, I'm trying to not show, I don't want to show their address. I don't want to show the kids names. I know all of this is public, but I just, I kind of just feel away. Maybe I can just describe what I'm seeing. So, there's a page here that has everybody that's mentioned. Okay, there's no need to pull that up. It's all the kids, all the kids have, I think there's only maybe there are only four out of the five kids mentioned or are all five of their kids mentioned here, because they range from 16 years old to five years old. Okay. They also mention the preschool teacher who teaches at the event Evangelical Covenant Church in New London. They also mention Kayla's sister. They mention, I think, the previous nanny named Channy Lynn. Bill's a big bill. This is my bill's big things. Why is Bill's Ann? Bill's Ann. Why is the former nanny relevant here? So, a lot of people speculate that the nanny left around four or five months ago and people question, okay, what happened there? The police are basically trying, this seems like, it sounds like when you hear it, like it's a bit of a stretch. And I'm not, look, I don't, there's, and here's the thing when we're talking about this story, it's sort of like, okay, what is reality? And then there's what can the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt, which we know those are two completely different things. So, as far as from the state's perspective, it sounds like the parsing together, a family that's, that went into disarray in December or last year or January this year around that time is when this family basically went off the rails. And that's around when this nanny would have been living with them for the last four or five years, basically left and switched over to a different family. And you ask yourself, why would she switch over to a different family at this stage unless perhaps she was uncomfortable with the environment that was being created during that period of time? So, that's essentially what the state's narrative is likely to be. Is that true or is it not true? I have no idea. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not. I have no idea. I mean, look, she hated hot tubs. It just wasn't a good fit. Yeah. Yeah. Like maybe she's, maybe she hated April and April was hanging over. She hated Aaron. She's like, I'm not hanging around these folks. And they're here every day and I can't stand being around them. So I'm getting out of here. I don't know. I don't know. So that's why I think they're throwing, I think the state put that in there because they're sort of this way that that that supplemental report is designed to be basically be this is where the heart of our case is going to be. Like this is where we're ultimately, this is where we're going to be doing further investigation. This is what we're doing further research on. And this is like our starting point, like this is the stuff that we found that we're now building into a case against Nick and Kate. So, so that's really, this is the foundation of the building that they're going to be putting together and presenting to a jury from their perspective. Okay. So they talk about the, the pastor at the church, who is the one who made the report. I mean, is there a world, I can't imagine a world where a pastor like, Oh, this pastor is out to get me. Like I feel like someone who associated with the church. I wouldn't assume, I wouldn't assume that about the pastor. I think that that's, that sounds kind of like like crazy conspiracy talk. They're above. I feel like a petty, like I doubt a pastor's like, Oh, I can't stand this person or that person. So what they mentioned, how the pastor said that four people came over to him and, and had concerns about the Riccato family, right? And about the way they're dealing with their kids. And some of the things they threw in there was that they have this relationship with the imholtz, right, which that sounds like a morality question, not a legal question, right? I mean, but I guess perhaps the, the at the environment that they might be creating for their kids or something of that nature, whatever, whatever it is. I mean, I want to ask you, Chrissy, those four people, you think they came as a group to the pastor? You think they came one by one? I would think one by one. Right. That's, that's what you're, that's what you're assuming. That's what I would imagine. If, if it's happening organically, uh, but you know, I feel like a bunch of people have to talk, uh, I think in order for four people to come forward, right? Because they all have to decide. We're gonna, we're, then we need to bat out our fellow parishioner. Right? Yeah. Like who, who could we? Yeah. I mean, if you are seeing somebody acting really squirrely in church and there, you know, it's funny. I was in, I was in church on Christmas Eve and there were kids in shorts and I was like, who can I, who can I talk to about this? I'm like, these kids are here in shorts. I'm like, it's freaking, I, I was like so distracted. I like, oh, I couldn't get past it that all the three kids are like wearing shorts. But, uh, so I want to be clear. I, I am, I'm not on board with saying this conspiracy here. I don't, I don't think there's a whole like, I don't think there are people out. I mean, I know there are people out to get Nick, but that's on the social media world. I'm not assuming that in his town, there are people out to get him, right? And I, like, that's the, that, that, I'm not, I'm not, I don't think that that's the genesis of this. I've never lived in a small town, but is it possible that these people talked in advance and then when is it group to the pastor? Like, does that, does that feel inorganic to you? That does feel inorganic. That feels like they all planned to do it. Whereas if they come up one by one, they're like, oh, I just sort of noticed, uh, this guy looks funny. Right. Or maybe organic to me one by one. Or, or, or perhaps that they're passing judgment on him on a moral basis and now trying to like basically hype up that like, this guy's a bad guy's a bad influence on his kids. We need to get his kids away from him because he's basically having this, this uncomfortable what they presume to be sexual relationship with the impulse. So it's like in, and, you know, so we have this, so this whole thing is, is weird. I don't, I don't know how the church people even know about the impulse. I don't think all, all the whole gang is going to church. I don't think it's like, Hey, we'll have a nice little Sunday. We'll go to church and we'll jump in the hot tub. Then we'll do some coke. Like, I don't, I don't think they're all, I don't know. Maybe April came to church. Yeah. Who God, who knows? That's so weird to me. Yeah. Yeah. I look, like, I personally, I don't, I don't, I don't understand the whole relationship there. I don't understand anything about what happened there with the him holds, not none of it yet. There are hot tub streams. So is it possible the church goers go? All right, we started looking at Nick's content. We saw the hot tub stream. And we're grossed out. I was angry. He's out of sorts. And he's like looking bad, possibly masturbating. We saw that whole stream. Yeah, we're concerned. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, like I said, I think it's, I think it's very possible that they're basically, I don't, I don't know. I don't know. Or look, maybe they went up. Maybe, maybe the kids are going around to everyone in church saying, I'm hungry. Maybe that happened. I don't know. It's possible eating all of the, what do you call it? The crackers. Yeah. Maybe they have some sort of communal plate there with snacks and the kids are loading up their pockets and everyone's like, whoa, whoa, that's a good at home. Got any more sleeves and these crackers were fucking starving. I don't know. Like, how does anyone know? I don't, I don't know. Maybe, I don't know. Maybe Nick is at home, you know, beating his kids. I don't know. Maybe he is. I'm just saying, I don't, I don't jump to that assumption. People want it. If you want to jump to that assumption, it's very easy assumption to, to make that basically he's at home, like Tony Montana there with, you know, at the end, and he's basically got his big stash of coke and he's nodding off and falling into it and then going on stream and that, and that he's basically, you know, cursing his, at his kids gang, get the F away from me. You know not to bother me when I'm busy, what, when I'm busy relaxing here and Kayla's sitting, and you know, and then the imma holds her in there, all of them giving head to the Pope. Maybe that's the, that's what the image that, that I get from people, some people in chat that that's what they think is actually happening there. And I have, I'm a hard time actually believing that that's like reality, but I don't, I don't know that's not true. One of my, one of my friends put in our private chat, a video, this is going around Twitter, a video of the church, you only see the backs of their heads, but April may be there at church with the family. Right. What? Yeah. Yeah. I saw that. I saw that. Okay. Wow. You want to pull that? You want to pull that up? Because this is so wild to me. I've never thought in all my years of hooking up with people. Have I ever thought to go to church with anybody? That is weird. That is weird to me also. I'm gonna get you. footage of an aggregated church, church days before the kind of so, so funny looking at church footage. Geez. Before the search warrant was, you got to make that big, make that, make that enlarged. Make it. That's what she said. We have to read it. Okay. You can see, you can see he's shaking uncontrollable in his row appears to be two children, two women. It's being speculated. April is on the far right. Did Nick bring his mistress into the house of God? Oh boy. So they're basically saying that in that row, that's Nick. And on the opposite end of that bench, they're saying is April. Oh, so they're taking up a whole bench? Wow. If he's got a bunch of kids there. They're impacted by the service of these people. Would you stand up, please? Wow. I feel so weird to watch this. If you're a family with kids and kids, you are impacted by the service of these people are making comments about him shaking his leg or something like that. They just be like, I'm bored at church. But who knows, right? Like, when you see this, this many drugs, you're like, no, you can be bored at church or you could be a... This is, this is where I'm saying, like, if you're, if your, if your team, if your team, Nick, you just be like, what the hell are you talking about? And if your team, I hate Nick, in that case, can be like, oh my God, he's got the shakes. And he's basically brought her there so that they can be, so that they can have, that they can go have, you know, have sex in the confessional, you know, like, while the kids are waiting outside, like that, you know, it, it, that's the extremes that we're talking about here. And it's likely somewhere in between, you know, I mean, like, as far as, I think it's probably a lot closer towards, towards the former, but... Yeah, people, I do that with my leg and I have ADHD. Yeah, we got some, uh... I mean, we know he has narcolepsy. He's been, he's been telling me forever that he has narcolepsy. The first time I heard it, I thought that was hilarious. But, you know, it's something he's actually been diagnosed with having narcolepsy. Maybe he's trying to stay awake. I don't know. We've all, we've all fallen asleep at church. Or maybe he really, really needs a hit because, because he hasn't had a hit in 20 minutes and he really needs a hit and he's a crazy drug addict. And so that's, I can't deny the fact that that's, that's a, that's a possibility. I'm simply, I'm simply brave enough to say, I don't know. That's, that's really it. And for saying, I don't know, I get like, I don't know how many people say, your nose guarding for saying, you don't know. We do know. And I'm like, really? Do you know? How's that? How did, how did you come to know? So the, so four anonymous people made contact with the pastor and advised of the following information. I guess they, they have two homes within the property. A family had been staying in one of the home renting. They've now left. They did mention the relationship with Aaron and April, which is, which is like, okay, yeah, how would they know that unless they're either watching the streams or they're all coming to church with them. I think it's the streams. And right. Other people have pointed out how, how boomer it is that they mentioned like, oh, they're, they're bloggers. They do, they do blogging. Let's see. The house was in disarray with clothes and other cluster items everywhere. They mentioned the names of the boys and the girls. Right. Like, like they've said, wearing the same clothing three to four days, three to four days, starting to smell, which is heartbreaking. The younger children have it. If it's true, if it's true, it's not just heartbreaking. It's an excusable. Right. It's an excusable. I mean, if that's, if that's the reality, if that, if that is reality, and that's an excusable, I'm not going to make excuses for that. No, it's, it's hard to. Then let's see. The younger children advised that they are hungry, not being fed, also made the comment about the clothing. Another anonymous party advised that they do not believe the children born are being, wow, one anonymous party advised that they do not believe the children born in 2012 and 2015 are being homeschooled while the older boys do attend school. Nearby all the information that is regarding the church. Let's see. Yeah. Saying that Nicholas Nick has been observed being lethargic and appeared to be high or drugged driving a car around. How would someone see, again, is this just small town? Everybody sees everybody in their car and knows exactly who they are and can tell the state of someone driving a car. Again, that's like, that's just a detail. But I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. My question is, was he, was he always looking lethargic? I don't know. I mean, but look, I'm not denying the fact that, look, we've all seen a change over the last year, year and a half from the nick that we all, that many of us first met and grew to admire versus what we've seen over the last year, year and a half. And I'm not denying that at all. And a lot of us have not been, have been at the very least disappointed, if not frustrated or annoyed in some people taking out hostility from what they've seen over the last year, year and a half. I will say this also, what I say here to the public is not the same conversation I'm having with Nick Riccata. And you know, I'm saying like, you know, people will be like, you know, don't, you're blinding yourself or stuff like that. It's like, look, if what I'm talking to Nick Riccata, I'm not sitting there just, you know, assuming that everything that's happening is kosher, I don't have the natural relationship with him, where it's like, I can say to him, look, if you don't straighten up, I'm walking out of here, be like, all right, out of you. I know you for like two years. And you know, that's not doing anything. So, so, you know, the objective that I have is I actually want him to get better. So like, let's sit in there saying this. I'm not sitting there saying like, Oh yeah, if you're doing drugs, it's totally okay. Don't worry about it. Quite the contrary, I'm constantly screaming that I think that the best thing that can come out of this is I hope he gets completely clean. Not just the drugs, but alcohol too. I don't want you know, I think the alcohol use clearly got to a level that it shouldn't, you know, and and I think that I think that he'd be best off if he became someone who's one of these, you know, crazy, almost annoying type of anti drugs. Yeah, straight edge type of like, you know, don't touch drugs, don't touch alcohol, it'll ruin your life the way it almost ruined mine. That's how else do you come back? That's that's the only way your your only chance of redemption. Is there a chance of redemption? If the worst is true about the kid element of it, is there redemption for him as far as that goes? What would and what would that look like? It's an interesting question. It's an interesting question. Because when you throw in that wrinkle, like what he did to his kids, I mean, is there redemption? I think that all of us like to think that there's always some level of redemption, you know, saying and especially willing to get clean, then that's a that's an important first step. And then the question, I mean, as far as like in the reality, forget about what public world says about it. You mean redemption, like in reality, or how people see, right? That's true. It's like the public, yeah, you know, you're not going to please everybody, even if you're perfect, and you do all the right things, it's like, it's between him and those kids and and what damage is or isn't done and and what they have seen or haven't seen, you know, what they recall of their mom and dad. Yeah, and that's and that's and also it's going to be subjective. It's so subjective. Like you remember the Michael Vick story with the dog fighting, right? Oh, yeah. And everyone like he became like the world's most hated person on the planet, right? I mean, like in the snap, a guy who had millions of fans, had none. And everyone hated him. And he went on this whole thing where everyone felt any getting up gel time. He had to basically be executed. And and yeah, I mean, I'm certainly not advocating that any that that torturing animals is ever excusable at all. The question is, okay, so the next person who tortures animals, you want them to feel like they're they're irredeemable and they there's there's no possible redemption for this person. Well, you rather actually strain out his life and become an advocate for protecting dogs. So you sort of door, right? And he actually did become like a hardcore advocate as far as protecting the dogs and things of that nature. And he had a bit of redemption arc where he actually got his career back and came back to football and had had some some levels of success. He had liked to think that we live in with that America is a society where people who f up, especially if they sort of fall into it in this sort of thing. This is not like he's I think even people who who come to the conclusion that many of us has that he he fell into drugs. That you sort of like to feel like, okay, how many millions of people are on drugs? Are you telling all these people that their lives are over? There's no redemption that if you did this thing, I mean, look, if they permanently harm someone permanently kill someone, obviously you can't you can't fix that. But you'd like to think that a dad who may be, you know, effed up. And even if he effed up for a year, a year and a half, let's let's assume worst case scenario here. He hasn't physically harmed anyone, right? Let's assume he has not physically harmed anyone, which I don't think there's any claim that he has, right? He hasn't physically, you know, consciously done something to him. Let's assume that there was there was neglect here for a year, year and a half. So is there redemption? That's probably going to depend on who you're talking about. And then, you know, and how much, how much, you know, NDS they have, instead of TDS, you know, million 100 million people have TDS, you know, over here, some people have NDS. I'm not saying everyone was against them has NDS at all. No, I think a lot of people are like, are angry and frustrated with him and feel disappointed in him. And I'm disappointed. I'm terribly disappointed that that he allowed drugs, he seems to have allowed drugs into his life, even if it's not him using it. But that's just this entire thing is in his house. Around. Yeah. I'm not going to not going to tell you I'm not disappointed that that happened. But as far as you're asking about redemption arc, I mean, you tell me up to them, it's private, you know, it's like, it's right. It's kind of none of our business, I guess, you know, yeah, I mean, what I really, I really just won him. I really won him and his kids have a happy life. I also, and I think the people who have NDS, I don't think they really, I don't think they're motivated by it. I think the kids are a nice cover for the NDS for some people. And this is going to get some people really angry. I mean, I don't really give it down. The reality is that I think a lot of these kids, that as soon as they turn 20, 18 or 21, they're going to basically be this these same folks will be destroying them that you're the son of Nick Ricada. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you're not really caring about these kids. That's not what it is. Just that the kids gives you, give you the virtue signal morality of like, I'm standing up for children when really no, you're just using the kids as a weapon to punish Nick. So because it's a very easy and everyone agrees that, Hey, children are innocent. Why the hell are you? Are you harming them? So, so yeah, but I'd like to think, look, so again, so I'm a, I'm a clear here. The fact that there's drugs in this story is something that everyone is disappointed in, right? Everyone is disappointed. Even his, even his biggest defenders, you know, I would assume are like, what the hell is that? Why would, why go down that road? That's just a, it's just such a terrible, such a terrible thing to do. He's far from the first or the last person to do that. And I think that, you know, let's, let's hope he has that redemption arc, not more for his kids than for anyone else. I mean, let's face it. And then, and then for his wife and for him, and let's face it. I mean, you have to have questions about his wife also, like, you know, is, you know, is, I don't think her nose is clean at all this part of the part. Okay, I'm gonna go back to the, what I was reading, that the, the four individuals brought to the attention of the pastor. Yeah, some of this stuff is kind of irrelevant. All right, he walked out during sermons. Okay, Kayla looked really anorexic. She lost a lot of weight. Okay, that's not, that's not a crime. They're describing, they, they think they saw track marks on his arm. This, this is interesting. Anonymous individuals advised the pastor that they believe the impulse are possibly assisting with some type of drug use with Nick and Kayla. Nick's blogging and views and or subscribers are down, possibly resulting in financial issues. Like, why would they, how would they know that? What are they looking at his they are looking at the analytics. They're definitely looking into the analytics. That's definitely what they're doing. You know, and I would, I would hope they'd be talking to these parishioners who saw what they saw. We're like, let's get witnesses. If they're going where their numbers are down, like, it's like, Oh my God, I hope they don't look at my, I hope they don't look at my February numbers. Like, but the idea that they've, they've, they've, they're doing a four-way relationship to get the YouTube numbers up like that. That must be the reason for bringing in this other couple is to is because they need to jush up their blog. You know, like, it's funny that this sentence sounds like that's what they think is happening. Uh, does an anonymous person also advised that at one point, Nick and Kayla left with the impulse to go to a casino, leaving the children alone, putting the oldest son, uh, in charge, uh, the pastor. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't understand that either. I don't understand that. 16 year old watching the other kids. Um, uh, 16, I mean, that's babysitter age. I was gonna say my, my oldest, uh, I'm gonna tell on myself here, my oldest was babysitting from the, was babysitting for her siblings from when she was 12. She was actually, she happened to be hurt by nature. Well, as soon as every kid was born, she like embraced the role of like, you know, a second mommy. So, so she was doing that from the time that she was, from the time that she was like literally a five year old that she was taking care of her younger siblings. And by the time she was 10, she was capable of pretty much running that house because she, she was like, so the time she was 12 or 13 for sure. We would leave the kids home with her. So you tell me a 16 that boys tend to mature more slowly. So, but you tell me a 16 year old boy that the kids are left there. I, I don't see how that's anything. It's really the morality of like, what the hell are you doing with this other couple? That's really what this, this comes into is like, what is hat, what is the nature's relationship with this couple? And we know it's not a prayer group. Right. And then we have to look at it from two different angles. There's the morality as far as NPR, right? As far as how, what do people think of that? What are people reacting to that? What is in passing judgment on him for that? And then there's the legality element, which is completely separate, right? I mean, the legality of from as far as how the state is concerned, you want the state passing judgment on you. That sounds kind of weird and kind of bizarre, but the public's going to pass judgment on you and say, I don't have anything to do with this guy. And I, and I had to test him because he's forming this weird relationship with another couple. And I don't want everything, I don't, I never want to hear from this guy ever again. Then I totally got that. If that's your take on it, totally got it. That's all I got it. That's, that's, that's, that's, I wouldn't even say that it's an unreasonable take. You're like, look out of this doesn't stand for values that I think are essential. And I don't want to have anything to do with that. I totally got that from a state legal perspective of let's throw them in jail because he had to have this weird relationship with the impulse. That's, that's kind of, that's, that's something I don't think anyone wants to live in a country like that. Yeah, I'm going to bring up this page where it discusses the charges. Okay, here did that charges. Okay, so there's been, there's been a few people have defined April as all sorts of different things. I've heard Nanny, I've heard girlfriend, I've heard just basically various, various ways to describe, you know, second, second wife, the girlfriend, uh, Nanny, um, friend. And she's got a neglect or child endangerment charge on her. Now, if it's, if it, if it can come out. Supposedly, that got, that got dropped. That's gone. Yeah, as opposed to the charges against her were dropped. That's what the, that's what the the story in public is. So she has no charges currently. Right, right. Interesting. Okay. And again, it's not neglect. It's really endangerment of the child. That's a lot of people here neglect and they, they hear that they're hungry or dirty and they assume that they've been neglectful. That the criminal charge is, is, um, endangerment of child by having around drugs and that's called neglect or endangerment, but it's the endangerment part that the state is focusing on. Here's the interesting thing. Okay. As far as, you know, we're all going to see the body cam footage and like what it shows there. I'd be surprised if in fact, in the video, the children look neglectful, not because of anything about Nick or anything like that, just because I've read enough police reports that I know that let's remember, what are they doing here? They're building a foundation of their house, right? If the kids came out looking to drag old, right? I mean, look at what they wrote about the house, right? They're saying the house isn't disrepair or whatever. But the kids look malnourished. The kids looked like they were starving. The kids looked like, you know, that they're dressed, if they looked like they were in rags, you know, and it looked like some 1930s orphanage and that would be in the report. And it's not right. Right. It's not. So you sort of want to look at like, okay, what's not in the report here? What can I glean from that? So what I see is there's no, you know, that someone talks about track marks, there's no needles. So I don't think there's track marks. Do I think that he's snorting? Yeah, I do think he's snorting. I mean, there's a ton of there's a ton of drugs, there's a ton of drugs there. So if you have to ask me my gut, yeah, it'd be crazy. You crazy to think that he that he and his and that probably he and his wife and your hope, none of the kids, right? I mean, just looking at this, put Nick aside, tenants, we're just talking about, you know, we're talking about John Diaz. So now, you know, what do I think here? Okay, so I don't see any track mark. I mean, I don't, the police didn't note any track marks. There's no needles in the house. I don't think he's injecting, but there's a ton of coke here. I do think this guy is using coke fairly regularly. And and his wife is likely using it fairly regularly. And is there some sort of neglect angle here, you know, or, or endangerment, possibly. But if it was, if there was neglect, that was, that was really terrible. And I'm not trying to excuse that. Oh, it's just low level neglect. I'm definitely not saying that that's okay either. I'm simply trying to say like, something that the state would recognize as being a crime, that you're being so neglectful, that that I think that that would, I don't think I know that would be in the report. So that's why I don't think the cops probably saw when they visited the house, stuff that would support that, because they would be a more serious charge directed toward that. And there would be more information here that would be noted for the record. We went into the house. I'm, and I think about this, if your cop is going to testify, right? And you want to go after him for, for the kids, right? He'd be like, I went in there, and I saw that this, this six year old girl had, you know, was not, was not had no clothing, had no clothing, you know, and, and, you know, and was looked hungry and was all covered in dirt. That's what they would be testifying, what they saw, right? We don't see, thankfully, thank God, we don't see anything indicating anything to the kind. And that's why I'm saying it, that the same way they took the guns and said you can't have guns near cocaine, it sounds like they're taking the children and saying you can't have children near cocaine. And you can understand why the state would say such a thing. I don't think that kids should be anywhere around cocaine also. I don't think adults should be around cocaine, frankly, but certainly children. So, you know, and I think that that would, so, so that, that's essentially what that child claim is. So you have this whole report talking about how the, the community is worried about the kids. And I'll tell you again, I don't, if the kids are, are, are facing known, I'm not trying to excuse any wrong doing with any child ever. I don't care if it's next child in care if it's my next turn, everyone came with my own brother. I'm not, I would never excuse, I would never excuse anything with children. I'm simply saying that you have the, the genesis of this is, this is concern about kids. There was not the, the report itself notes it was not something that was an immediate concern type of situation, which is why they waited a week. If they thought the kids were actually in real danger, state would be in there. May 16th, day report comes in there. They'd be like, you know, if they thought there was, you know, some sort of, if they hear a report about some child sex ring, they're not going to sit back for a week and be like, Oh, let's, let's, let's see what happens. And they just, they wait years. Unless what, it's Hollywood. Oh, right. I guess that's true. But in, in, in middle America, they're not going to be, they'll be in there that day, right? Yeah. So, so, and the report itself says, it almost tries to justify why they sat back for a week by saying they did not seem like any of the children were in any sort of immediate danger. So, and thank God. Thank God. Oh my God. If, you know, I would, I would basically excoriating this guy if he, if there was some sort of immediate danger situation here. So, it starts with kids and then it comes to the, to the drug situation and they start doing this research into his whole history and online life. Some of the things may, it seems as if they're basically going through his history because the cop, one of the cops reports, I went back through his videos. He looked at him in January. It looks like he's got a lot more weight in January than he has today. And, you know, and, and April and, and, and Kayla seems to have lost a lot of weight also that she seems to be anorexic now. So, these are, and these are all signs of someone who's involved in drug use. So, you know, that these, these are all the indicia that, so between, that they're trying to establish as far as this is how we had our probable cause. This is what we saw when we got in there. If we had the search warrant and, and that's why I think that, look, I think it's pretty clear here that the, from the state's perspective, this is all about the drugs. And from a moral perspective, it's really much less about the drugs than it is about the kids. And these are two different worlds, which are sort of being longed together here. I'm going to hit a couple of the, yeah, do it. And questions from the crowd from Worcestershire. Also, I appreciate your really incredible vocabulary. By the way, be drag gold. I've never heard be drag gold. You said three words I've never heard in my life that I have to write down and, and, um, excoriated, excoriated, yeah, excoriating, then clam. Yes. Sorry. Yeah, that was my, no, I'm impressed. And that's why you're here is because you've been to more school than me. Okay. Was this says, please tell Joe one of the four complaints. Complaints was Kayla's sister. Kayla's sister. Oh, yeah. Well, that's interesting. I don't, I don't know if that was one of the four or fifth one. I'm not sure. I did, I did, I didn't see that in the reports that I pulled. So there's a number of reports, each of the cops, or several of the cops that at least filed their own separate individual reports as to what happened there. I did not see, so I saw one, I think it was from Nestor and another from Palmflin. I did not see her name and then it could be that I got a black, I got a redacted version. It could be that her name had been redacted, which why I had not seen that. I do think that it's a really interesting wrinkle to this whole thing as far as like, if, if her own sister is reporting on them, and that's an interesting wrinkle. Yeah, from Cyclops, my wife and I can understand why a lot of people would say like, well, that makes it true. I definitely, I definitely understand that that heightens the level of veracity. And at the point where your own family's like, all right, fine. Your family's rat is ratting on you. That means that there's really a problem here. And I agree that that's a much, much, that's a much that changes the nature as to how about the complaint, the seriousness with which we have to take these as far as, because you think she has a peek behind the curtain, right? You assume, maybe she doesn't because some family members, you know, it's like, no, you're never saying for my house. It's like your first time dabbling in, in Coke. I don't think your family is going to start complaining about you to the, to the local church, right? It'd have to, it'd have to be an ongoing problem, I think, as part of a, all right, we need to intervene here. From Cyclops, my wife and I have worked in church childcare for over 30 years. There's so much of neglected kids that people know washed malnutrition, beaten that's horrible. But yeah, people at the church, see it all, Queen B, I, oh, she had a other super chair here. Thank you, Queen B. I work with CPS as a Casa, no, a C. A. S. I don't know what that means. The, the, it's probably, yeah, the alleged neglect is flexible. It feels tagged on to keep the kids away from the drugs. Otherwise, nothing stops the grandparents from returning them home without supervision. Interesting. That's a really interesting thing. So this is where, where someone, you know, who has, who's engaged in child services, has knowledge that, that I don't know, that's what you're. And then she also says, I worry about the recovery outlook if both parents are using, yeah, there's no one to hold the other accountable. Right. Right. No, I think they both need we have. I mean, I think they both, and I, and as far as the outlook here, the outlook, when we, I started touching on this earlier, the outlook, if, if you're an equicator, what you're basically hoping for is that you can get work a plea deal as soon as possible. And I really hope that he, a plea deal means you're admitting to some, to some degree that some of it is true, which I don't know. Well, well, a plea deal, a plea deal can take a lot of different forms, but really it should not be him negotiating it. I want, in an ideal setting, he should have someone, some attorney of his talking to people this week, like talking to the, talking to the DA this week and saying, look, like I wants to get recovery and wants to straighten his life out. He recognizes that he has a problem. And this is all, this is all ininmissible, and I'm saying this could not be used by in court against him. Right. So, and this is not a conversation that anyone would know about other than Nick potentially and his attorney in the DA's office. Not something I would know about or anyone else would know about. But in an ideal setting, and what I've spoken to attorneys who have served as defense counsel, have served as prosecutors, that this is a very common thing in this type of scenario here, where basically from dealing with these charges, you basically go to them and you say, look, these are the charges. He's the first time offender. He's a, you know, he's been a family man. He has all these different things here. We like to work out a plea where they cop to some misdemeanor, get a suspended sentence, go into rehab. Both of them are going to rehab. Maybe one of them cops to like a felony with, you know, and the, and you have basically in contemplation of the case, the case is being discharged, that they have to upon the condition that they successfully complete rehab and keep getting drug tested for the next 12 months, or, you know, or perhaps even longer, and basically get them, make, compel them to stay clean and, you know, let them get back together with their kids, put down a timetable that, you know, you successfully get those, you can get, you know, get kids and, and have everything sorted out. And like I said, that's a win for the state. That's a win for everyone. And these are deals which are commonplace from what I'm told. Like, this is like, this is, this is something that the state does very frequently when they're dealing with a first time offender who, you know, just they've found drugs in their house. So I pray, I pray that Nick is doing this. I want, I want him to go through rehab. I want him to get, I want him to get fixed up. I want him to have that redemption arc. Right now, right now, looking at him is unsettling. It's bothersome, some that, you know, this is the Nick that I know, and I really want to see, I want to see, yeah, it's like it's definitely aged him. Above all else. From America 76, redemption needs to be classified on a personal family level, damage is likely done from a public persona point of view with possible child neglect. Only time helps that. Thank you. Hamilton, congrats on baby Frank. Great show. Thank you, Jay and see thoughts on Nick out on 50 K bail, but not Kayla. I don't know about that. All right. Well, that's what that's how he was released, right? No, no. So at the time of the arraignment, what they, the way it works in Minnesota. So here's a little legal background, I can give you based on my research over the last week or so. So the way it works is that Minnesota actually has, has on their inner constitution that you can't keep people who are not engaged in violent crimes. You can't keep them in jail. You have to, you have to set them, let them go. You can try and tie them in only if there's some sort of flight risk to ensure that they're going to come back. So what they basically do is they say you can pick your poison. You can either pay us bond. It was, you know, fatload of money, which in this case, for Nick and Kayla was each $50,000. You don't pay the actual $50,000. Normally you'll pay a bondsman like 10% of that and, you know, show them that you're good for the money. And they, and you never get that money back and you give the bondsman $5,000. And they, and the bondsman commits to the state that they're going to cover the $50,000. That's why that's why you have that was that dog guy who would like go after people who would, you know, skip down and then ended up, you know, not paying. So, so, so that's, so that's one option or we can give you conditional release. In a conditional release, you need to check in with us regularly. We're going to check if you can't, you can't take any drugs. You can't take any alcohol. You can't, and they give him a whole list of conditions that he would have to comply with. No, that's what should have been in there. Seriously, don't watch that. You can go in the hot tub, but you have to go alone. Right. So, so they have all these conditions for release and, and that's a different alternative. You don't want to front the money. So, initially, they signed the conditional and each of them signed the conditional paid no money. So, as long as they're under that, under that, get out of jail basis. So, they have all those conditions they have to keep until trial. If they're out, so what Nick did was he and Kayla got out on a conditional basis yesterday, it's reported that he put up the 50,000. Another thing, by the way, and this is a, this is a key element, is that they said you can't possess firearms. So, if you're, if you're someone who hates Nick, and this is, I'm just trying, I'm going to give you both sides of the story here, okay, as to how you could look at him front, him fronting the money for himself versus, versus Kayla not having that. So, you can look at it and you can say, okay, Nick, if you, if you, if you think Nick is, you know, demon spawn, in that case, you assume, oh, he did this because he doesn't want to be tested, so you can go back and use drugs and alcohol and basically be, he has no contrition, he has no accountability. He just wants to jump right back on that wagon and basically live his horror, demonic lifestyle. That's what people who hate Nick are definitely going to assume, and there's no way to prove that's wrong. There's really no way to know that that's wrong. Short of him coughing to a deal sometime the next couple days, there's no reason to assume that's wrong, right? I mean, let's face it. If you're, if you're, if you're Nick, what you're going to say is, I have millions of people who hate me now, and my, and my address and all my information is now public information displayed for the world, and people, and all these people hate me, and I can't defend myself because I'm not allowed to possess a gun. So I need, you would like move, right? Wouldn't that be the first thing you do when you start getting your life back together? It's like, okay. So he's like, I can't even walk the streets here, my wife can walk the streets here, and because of the level of levels of hate we're getting, and I can't even, I can't even possess a gun to defend myself from some lunatic that's out there. So that's not, that's, so he would say that's not a viable situation. I'm going to cough up that, cough up that money so I can get my guns back. He's got nothing to do with drugs. That's what Nick would say. And, and which is the truth. I'll tell you right now, I don't know. It really could, I have, you know, I have concerns, I have concerns like everyone else that the reason he posts that money is because he wants to use drugs and use alcohol and not get tested. And I also, but at the same time, I also know that there's the issue about him not being able to defend himself because he's not allowed to possess guns. That is, that's a genuine, that's a genuine issue. So, and that would explain, and I guess that would explain why you only do it for one, not the other, right? Like that, okay, why would Kayla need to possess, I mean, does she have to possess guns also? So, so maybe, maybe that maybe you can take that as a sign, and you know, so that that's basically the two, the two different camps you can basically, everyone's going to decide for themselves why he did that. No one's, no one's going to believe him, no one's going to believe me. I don't even know, I'm not, I'll tell you right now, if you ask me what, what I think his heart of hearts is thinking when he's paying that, I don't know, I don't know. I have great concerns that it's for the drugs, but I also do think, I also, you know, or for alcohol. And again, I have, I don't know that he's ever used drugs, but I, you know, I can't ignore what I'm seeing here. So, yeah, yeah. Kristoff, um, Mular Olson, thanks for the super chat. According to Aaron, all four went to church together at least once. The sermon was about adultery and debauchery that day. Oh my gosh, that's so funny. Either it was a coincidence or there was tailor made to them, or it was made up. All right, it was made up. Wartooth, his dealer must be crapping in his pants right now. Uh, yeah, I guess if that's true, that's a lot of money he's going to lose, but I'm sure he'll find some, I don't think he's concerned about a lot of money being lost. I think, I think it's that he's afraid Nick's going to turn on it. Oh, oh, you could, how does that help you out? You'd be like, oh, it was a big dealer. Maybe part of copying to a deal is that you, is that he, I don't know, but it could, it could be like, okay, who's your source? If you want to get a deal, you need to tell us your sources. Okay. Bill the Gajon used, he was destined on every diaper charge. Actually, destined does work wonders. Oh, Queen B, Casa is the court appointed special advocate for children in the CPS system. Okay, thank you for lying that is. Vinnie, the date, if he got caught with drugs and alcohol, but the kids were well taken care of, how different would it be? Started watching before written house, damn shame. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it would be a lot better. I mean, that's, that describes so many people. Like, yeah. Yeah. And, and that's really, and that's really, like, this is where we started the show. And, you know, and I think, I think this is really a great way of encapsulating it. The kids are the factor that changes everything, literally changes everything. And, and if in fact, they, you know, there's been, you know, more than your incident on neglect that every, that every working household, to some degree kids are going to be, you know, if you, if you have a working household, you wouldn't call an neglect, but you're not, you're not watching, you're not monitoring your kids 24/7. Frankly, it's not even healthy to monitor them 24/7. But to the, to the degree that there, there's a lack of failure to, to ensure their maintenance on a day by day basis, which is a failing of a parent to the degree that that, that existed, you know, and no one, no one ever wants to see that. It's not excusable. And, and the fact that it's sort of self involved in taking care of yourself with drugs is what makes us sort of get angry, like how self, how selfish are you that it's like you need to go get high and F your kids and what their needs are because you need to get high. That's, that's where the, that's where the outrage rises up. And I totally, as, as a parent, I have six kids in my own as a parent, I totally understand that, that outrage where you're like, that is just selfishness, which is inexcusable. And I'm hopeful, I'm hopeful that, look, I'm, I'm hopeful it's, it's just not true. Yeah. I'm really, I'm really, I don't know. Do you have a day job? Like a she, or is she, are they all like kind of there from home? I think, I think she's, I think she's, I think I'm not sure. I'm not sure if I don't want to, I want to guess. I want to explain, okay, like if she's gone all day at a job and. No, I think if anything, she works in the house. Okay. Oh, Nathan Lloyd report the name. Yeah. The four people are actually named in the document. That's why you see those names there. And when you see an anonymous person is referring to one of the names listed in the supplemental report, uh-huh. Thank you, Nate. Nate knows his stuff. Okay, Jonathan Baxter, you can make the stream very short. Nick made you money. So you're happy to excuse him as a drug adult kid neglector. It's okay. Just own your own amoral grift. Take my $10 worth it, right? Um, uh, well, this was sent, uh, like an hour ago. So I think we probably discussed someone who would have this point of view. Um, yeah. Yeah. No, we're very clearly not doing that. Um, Charles, ask great to see Joe here, Chrissy. I think we are all just shell shocked to see someone who has been so blessed, just throw it all away crazy. What's going on? Nick doesn't make sense. Also, chirp. Yeah, you know, mecca, mecca, mecca term made, made that point, which seems to me, which I thought was an interesting point, which is, um, which is, you know, you had life by the balls. You had life by the ball, though. Yeah, by the, and then, yeah, well, it started falling apart when, when he substituted the balls with the ball, though. Okay. I mean, let's face it, right? That's, that's really, that's really where everything started falling, falling apart. Yeah, he was someone so many people looked up to, uh, respected. He's, he's funny. He's, uh, not respected, like practically worshiped, like practically worshiped. I mean, that's, that's, that's where he was at. I mean, whatever level of admiration or claim or popularity you or I have ever had is a joke compared to the, the levels of, you know, where he was, people was saying Nick for president and, you know, and, and, and, and, and, um, the lead attorney was talking about how he saw him at one of those, you know, Vegas type of meetup type of things. And he said, and he tells the story over in such a phenomenal way. I highly recommend lead attorney. This guy is, is awesome. Smart guy, great guy. It's very entertaining. I'm a huge fan of lead attorney. And he talks about how he saw, he met up Nick at one of these meetups. He's like, and there's a stage and it's so loud. It's so crowded. And I got fans, people love coming over to me, take a picture with me and stuff like that. With Nick, it's a whole different, it was a whole different thing. Oh, yeah. He, um, he, I think he goes to Anime Matsuri just about every year and has a table, has a long, I'm sure like a long line, just as long as like a critical drinker or a Gary from Nerdyrotic. Like, yeah, tons of fans. Yeah. Yeah. So, so I think it was one of those Anime Matsuri things that he saw, Nick. And when he saw him, when he saw him there, he's like, I see this guy go up to him. And he says, I just had a baby and you know, give a toast to me because you know, he's famous for his toast. So Nick is sitting on the stage and this guy's standing. So they're basically the same level because Nick is sitting on a stage and this guy's standing up. And Nick, he said, I couldn't hear anything that he's saying. I could, because it was so loud. He, I mean, he's only 10 feet away from back. I couldn't hear a word he's saying because it's so much noise going on there. But I'm just seeing this guy listen to Nick as Nick's giving his toast to his newborn baby. And this guy looked like he was having a religious experience just listening to him. His, his art, he's closing his eyes. He's like, wow, he's like, and this was, we saw, it saw a lot of this. He's like, he's like, this is, this is the level of admiration that this guy had. And this is, and this is what he led drugs do to him. You know, this is what, you know, this is, this is such a, it's such a wake-up call as to like, you know, no matter how high you are in the social sphere, how together you seem, how with it you seem, how everything, yeah, that that can slip away like that if you make that type of mistake. And it's such a, such a cautionary tale as far as like, don't think that you're above it. Don't think that you're, that it's not going to, you can handle it or whatever, you can't, you can't. And it's just, it's terrible, it's terrible cautionary tale. Yeah, and some folks have a longer runway than others and can last months and others. I'm like, I think, I mean, thank God this wasn't like an OD situation. And I'm not, you know, I see someone saying they're saying Nick was not divine joke. Oh, OMG, I'm not saying I looked at him that way. I'm not saying that I was, I'm saying is that's the level, that's a lot of respect people had for him. And I'm saying is that he was, you know, to see, he was, he was like a cult leader in certain ways. And, and it was just, and he, for a large number of people, for a large number of people, and no matter how admired someone is, you let drugs into your life. And, and how, it's just the fall, it's not a matter, right, it's the runway. How long, how long is it till you hit that crash? How long is it till you hit that crash? Some will be shorter, some will be longer, but that crashes, that crashes in your future coming. Yeah. Das Pooch, he had everything, family, friends, lots of money, and chose to spice things up with hard narcotics, sympathy for the kids, none for him. F Nick. Oh, thank you, Das Pooch. Googer, Nick lied and manipulated everyone around him and is showing zero signs of regret for his actions. Viva and Barnes are also actively lying about the facts. Are they lying about the facts, or they're just really covering the constitutional aspect of it? That's, Viva and Barnes are, are, as far as I've seen, you know, Barnes had a whole take about the constitutional element of it that I disagreed with. You know, and I was like, I don't think, I don't know, and to be clear, I disagreed with it as far as it being a strategy that should be entertained at all, in Nick's case. I think it's a terrible strategy as far as this, where he's basically complaining that Minnesota statutes are unconstitutional, they try to take away your guns right away, they're persecuting political enemies, the same way that Trump's being persecuted, that Nick is a political enemy of the County of the Ohio officials. And that's the first amendment issue, and also, and all these different constitutional issues. And I'm like, yeah, okay, okay. And so, is that, I mean, you throw that in a motion, obviously, because you're going to throw out every defense you can, if you're a defense counsel, but that's not the nature of what we should be focusing on as to what Nick should be looking for today. And he's looking at it, it's from like, look, we've seen these abuses all over the country, and basically trying to imply that I'm next, you're next, that if you're not down with the program, you're going to be the next one here, and that Nick has the, Nick's became the next one. Everyone sees his streams and sees what happened with the degeneracy and all the other stuff that was happening there. And they're like, dude, wake the F up, this dude's on drugs, he needs help. So why are you starting to sit here, talking about constitutional issues, when everyone who looks at him can tell he needs help. So they're getting a lot of backlash for taking, for taking that constitutional angle when people are like, this is this guy's life and his kid's life and all this other stuff. And you don't give an F about that, all you can remember, you're talking about the Constitution. And Barnes is like, no, I see this happening to every one of us. Great. Did he represent Alex Jones? Yeah, no, he didn't represent Alex Jones. That was Norm Patis, who represented Alex Jones. But I mean, I think he was involved. He's been involved in a number of different cases. So I think he was, he was, he was in some sort of stage involved, but never actually, he didn't end up becoming the lawyer who defended him a trial. Okay. Yeah. Good to know. I'm going to blow through a couple more of these. I draw local moms, grift, king, mugshot, tote bags, Lincoln bio. Don't know what that means, but thank you. Good night, mister. You can't handle the truth. Yeah. Oh my god. I never know if it's Giff or Jeff. I'm such a boomer. Giff inserted here. All right. I'm going to go see myself out. Meredith G to justify taking the kids away. They need to be an imminent danger, not just neglected. The kids would, would be worse off in the system. Thank you. I don't, I don't think that's the way CPS actually operates. But I think the, I don't know, I don't know enough about the, the, the CPS system to tell you where their standards are and how they operate. I, I really don't know very much about that at all. So Casey intersecting truth. Thank you, Casey. Another grift, king, Nick, Iraq. It's still okay. Troe. There is a video of April at church. Yes. We just saw that. Thank you. Nathan, see that clip is super short. Can't even see him stand. It is bubble. I think that's a short high joke. Oh, whoops. Okay. I'm gonna turn it. Okay. Bubble gots opinion on Aaron Imhol running around blabbing. Aaron is a showman. He is a radio host. He, uh, you know what? Yeah. If he, if he is, I mean, it's different between grifting and talking about your life and what just happened to you and like the literal, uh, ruin of his marriage. And I think, uh, like it's, it's probably exciting and a lot to talk about now because for months, he couldn't talk about the fact that he and April were divorcing. He couldn't talk about this, uh, this relationship. He couldn't talk about any of it. And now that it's all kind of out in the open heat, he, I understand his, his desire to want to put his say out there and instead of letting the rumor mill put it out there for him. But yeah, I mean, I think once the dust settles, it's probably pretty sad. Like his fucking marriage is over. Well, I don't know. I saw, I saw legal mindset sharing a clip of Aaron Imholz saying that he saw legal mindset telling him to stop, to stop going around blabbing. And that he's right. He's just on it. He just, you know, and then that night he's on with Alex Stein. The next day he's, he's like, this is my last dream ever. I'm done. I'm not talking about the same war. One more next week. And then I'm really done. And then I'm really done. And I'm telling you right now, he'll be done when the, when the, when the, when the, when the fans stop listening. That's one he'll be done. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Erica Sullivan, perhaps the local police are trying to break their local drug ring and need Nick to give up his dealer. Quee Bono. In my return. Is it see you? Quee Bono. Thanks, Chris. You have a great day. Thank you, Eric. It's interesting. It's interesting thought that I could be that that they're after some bigger fish. But who knows? Oh, my God. I just read the dog was right there. Um, trucker A. T. Nick has two hoes, one for the marriage and one for the blow. Thank you. I see that's because that's because he only got a car with two, with two doors on that. If you have four doors, four doors, more. More whores. Gemma. Joe, do you still think he only had the shakes under the desk? Do you actually think that he was having sex there? Um, the first time I saw the video, I thought he was jerking off. Like, absolutely jerking off and didn't realize the camera was on. That's what I thought. And then I started, I went online and people go, Oh, he's getting blown. And then some people think, Oh, he's just out of it. And maybe just scratching himself. I know. But my first impression was like, Oh, he's jerking off. But that's just where my mind went. I think that we see him shaking a lot over the last couple of months. And when he's clearly not, when he's clearly not in a sexual encounter. So that that so I don't know. Everyone's sharing the church thing. And the reason they're sharing and say, see, he's got the shakes there. So I don't know. So it's like, which one is it? Is it that he had the shakes because because he's he's engaging in sex? Making a martini. Um, or Phil, supposedly 90% of addicts die of their addiction has Nick passed the point of no return. God, I certainly hope not. I really hope he he turns it around sooner than later. John Wayne, the most immediate concern should be that Nick stays alive long enough for redemption. Amen. Amen. That's scary. What's up, Jonathan. Hi, Joe. Hi, Chrissy. Thanks, Joe for taking for talking me to sleep the other night. Little, I'm liking the stream with all the explanation. He's called you boring. Yeah, no, I'm professional salmonex. That's what I do for a living is I basically talk to people for two hours a night and they pass out listening to me. You should do record a like a book on tape like, um, Joe talks law until you fall asleep. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten complaints that I got like these different horns I blow when I get like a bigger super chat and people like, dude, I was totally asleep. I was totally asleep. I think I have a phone. I know my, I'll tell you, I think it's the tone of my voice or something like that. That is, or, or, you know, something or it could be the con or it could be the content. I don't know, but I'm good at putting people. It's all good, though. I appreciate it. Joe, if the kids weren't neglected, no one's complaining to pastor and cops don't get called. So that's my question. And that's a great, that's a great question. And my question is, okay, then why are they talking about April and Aaron? If it's really about the kids neglect, if that's what it is, why are you talking about April and Aaron? And that's why I think that, I don't know, maybe I like where they come into that whole thing as far as, unless you're saying they're neglected because he's got, you know, some hedonistic lifestyle and that's why they're being neglected, which I guess that would be, that's also gross. That's not, that's not any more of excused than drugs, right? If it's like you're, you're all about your self gratification, whether that self gratification is by drugs or sex, it's the same thing if it's resulting in the neglected the kids. So, yeah, the kids are the X factor here. If, you know, if the kids are neglected, there's no excuse. What is the excuse for neglecting kids? What is the excuse? There's none. And I would never, ever try justifying that. I'm simply saying, I just want to wait and see as far as what the story is with, with what we learn about what the situation is with the kids. And I don't think that, I don't think that that, that makes me a crazy nose guarder to say, okay, you know, let me just wait and see what the actual story is. There's a lot of, a lot of people, a bunch of people talking. And I, and I certainly have, I certainly, I certainly have, I'm an enough of a level that like, I have concerns, but I do know this, I do know this. If you listen to Nick and his stories and what he says, and I tell, and I tell, I started this off saying, I don't think anyone is being 100% truthful, open and truthful truth with all of us. I don't think the cops, I don't think, I don't think the, I don't think Aaron, and I definitely do not think that Nick is being 100% open and truthful with us. That being said, so what we're doing is we're sort of trying to figure out what part here is truth. And the one, the one area, he, you know, he's never going to, he would, if he were, if he is using drugs, which most of us assume he is. So, certainly after that, we see the report for what they found his house was so most of us, yeah, and if not from what we've seen on shows and whatever, and that scream. But so most of us are, are, are at that place. We haven't heard him screaming of that he's never used drugs or something like that. Certainly since this thing has come out, the way we've seen him basically say like, F no, my kids have always been fine. He's been so vocal and adamant about how they've never been neglected, how they're properly maintained and cared for, and how he's basically killing himself, driving around 80 miles a day, trying to make sure that they're, that they're actually, you know, happy and properly taken care of. He's so adamant about that, that it's like, okay, if we're going to believe him on anything, that's the one area that I'm like, okay, you know, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt there until I know otherwise. So what do we do? The body can't, let's say the body can't put his comes back, it's look fine. They don't look disheveled. They look normal. They don't look like in distress. How do you discount the children's own firsthand account of being hungry and smelling and wearing the clothes for days on end? So, so, I'm gonna, I'll, I'll, let's, let's, let's get past that first hurdle. You know, let's get, let's get past that first hurdle. Yeah. Yeah. MLS got a law. I am pro Nick. I am pro Nick getting clean. I am pro Nick getting his kids back. I am pro Nick getting his life back. Yep. Here you run call me in the chat. Oh, what's up, Ron? Dred clown Nick's youngest is seven. Why is a pre K teacher involved? That's yeah. No, no, maybe she just was like available crispy though. I generally dislike Nick after his switching to drama over law. I just want him and Kayla to get better for themselves and be good parents. They are good people when not held down by addiction. Thank you, Chris. I could have written that too. Charles S Joe will Nick be disbarred for this. So, in the state of Minnesota, I went through, one of the first things that I did was I tried to try to figure out the impact this would have on him is the day or so after his arrest, I went through Minnesota history with how they deal with lawyers who get convicted or, you know, facing drug issues and stuff like that. The best I could tell you is this. And I saw something, you could probably Google and find it relatively quickly, which shows 2022 statistics for Minnesota with respect to their disbarments and suspensions. And they list off how they had, I think 14 people disbarred that year and a number of other people suspended. And they list what they did wrong. And the people who were disbarred, which means losing your license altogether, were all involved in some level of of illegality relating to their practice of law or fraud, meaning fraud, like fraud, fraud not in the practice of law, but being really deceitful and trying to rip off money. And you can understand how from the bar, the Minnesota bar perspective, someone who's engaging in fraud outside of law is likely about to rip off their clients too, because they don't care who they're ripping off. So that's where someone gets disbarred, because they're very, very concerned about attorneys having access to lots of money that's not theirs and taking advantage of that. So if there's someone who's crooked in that way, that's where you're looking at quick disbarments. With situations where someone is involved in non-attorney related stuff, not fraud, things like, and not violence, but someone like drugs, it seems as if their normal course of fair is to issue a suspension in varying degrees, depending on how egregious it is. So what I would say is, assuming he cops to something, or to a lesser charge, or if he were to get convicted of drug usage or possession, I would anticipate, not tell me the future, but based on history, we should anticipate he would face a suspension, and the length of that suspension would probably depend on what it is he cops to, or is convicted of. J.H. Nick had all this coming due to his problem of fraternizing with yid. What's a yid? The yid is trying to say Jew. I don't think the emuls are Jewish. No, they were all at church. Slosher, not only did Nick have people who worshiped him, he also had the opposite, clip channels full of people that hated him in a way I never saw for YouTubers. It's on Nick that he let it go, get to him, and gave them what they wanted. It's true, he did face a lot of hate, and you sort of wonder if that hate drove him, you know, pushed him in this sort of way. I don't know. I don't know. The person who the person knows that is Nick, and Nick's sure as hell isn't talking and should not be talking about that at this stage, you know? Yeah, Antoine, Rackamura, can anyone point to any evidence of actual child neglect? I'd love to hear it. If so, no one has shown any evidence of addiction either, just conjecture. I mean, I feel like that that stream where he was looking really strong out is a, I mean, you'd have to be really, I don't know, tired, starving yourself to get to a place where he looked, how he looked. You'd have to do a really good job convincing me a lot of other things were going on that didn't involve drugs. And there's proof of all the drugs found in his house. So, that's, I mean, it looks pretty like, I don't think there's anything, I don't think I'm revealing very much. I'm giving a little bit more, more background without revealing too much. If I tell you that after that stream, after that stream, I know of two different groups of people, friends of his, separate and apart from a separate part from each other, who were all looking at the idea of trying to quickly put together an intervention. Just based on that. So, people who think that like, you know, his friends didn't care or were happily enabling or stuff like that, it's crap. You just don't know, it's not something that people are going to talk about saying that I was involved in this and I was doing that. And this is, it's like, there's what I can say, there's what we can say publicly. And then there's, you know, the same way, if I'm yelling at Nick about something, I'm sure as hell, I'm not going to say that publicly. Things that people talk to me about privately. I mean, I'm not sufficiently an a-hole that I'm going to share that publicly. And then people just assume that nothing happened. It's their own biases, which lead them towards reaching those conclusions rather than recognizing, hey, if I was his friend, would I want him sharing the conversations that he has with me? You know, I mean, this difference as far as like, you know, I can readily admit that I have appreciation and admiration for the Nick that I met and that I'm disappointed and frustrated with the Nick that I've seen, you know, certainly and that disappointment has only increased over the last couple of weeks. You know, that's different from me basically sharing with you private conversations that I have with the dude. Yeah. Yeah, you don't want to share private conversations unless my God, it's like a life or death situation. Phil B, thank you so much for the super chat. Explained us. What will happen to Nick in the worst case scenario? I don't like the worst case scenario is he overdoses, which nobody wants. Yep. That's the first over case. That's the first worst case scenario or, you know, self deletes intentionally. That's the worst. That's the worst case scenario or or engages in violence. Let's face it. You know, if our assumptions about drug use are actually reality, in that case, you know, drug use often leads to violence. That's, you know, so that's a terrible scenario. Him harming those around him who he loves, you know, that that's the actual worst case scenario. From a legal perspective, worst case scenario is that they find more and they basically put them away for life. You know, take away his kids and say, say, you know, your life is over. That's, that is the worst case scenario, I think. Horrible. No one wants that to happen. Nathan C, Kim Lott said Nick confirmed that kids were taken by the, by the state. Really? Well, not, well, I mean, that they're by the grandparents, grandparents. When I say the state, I mean, the state that the state compelled the kids to be away from him. Frank Hernandez, Joe, do you agree with me that Nick should plead down to a class D felony possession time suspended with monitoring probation and a fine? Oh, hi, Chrissy. Absolutely. Absolutely. 100%. And, and, and that would, that would certainly include rehab. They would never do that without him and, and Kayla getting rehab. 100%. This is, this would be the most amazing thing. If that were to happen, and he went through the whole rehab thing and actually did this properly, this, this arrest would be the biggest blessing for Nick's life. It would be that would be the the rock bottom, the wake up call. Yeah, that this would, that we, if we, I pray that this is that what we saw last week was the lowest moment in life. It's the worst. Nathan C, I hope Nick posted bond to be with family. Great point. And I happened to know Nathan, someone who's helped me out on my channel and dealing with my lawsuit against Judge Mersham, where I'm trying to ungag Trump. So he helped me with like creating PDFs and stuff like that. He's great. I love Nathan. So this, and this is a phenomenal point that he's making that we didn't, that neither you are. I did mention that one of the restrictions in that conditional release was that he not just no drugs or alcohol or guns, but that he was not allowed to leave the state and his folks live down in Florida. So, so it's possible. Now, I think I believe they're up in Minnesota right now, but it's, it's possible that part of the reasons that he posted bond was to leave Minnesota. It's great point, Nathan. Thanks, Nathan. Mr. E, all hail good logic, Supreme Leader of the following non-call type of cult. Take a 47. Yeah, Mr. E, Mr. E is great. Yeah, my show is called the following program. So people who end up joining my channel become followers, but the following, you know, the following is not at all a call. Yes, everyone follow Joe. Mary Rose, thanks for the super chat. So none of you have brought your kid to the ER because of an accident. And next thing you know, you're fighting CPS. They aren't looking for the truth. They disobey their own rules. They, they bully and get a lawyer and never agree. You know, it's interesting when, when I gave birth, there was like a social workers come right in. They ask you, they ask me and Frank all sorts of personal questions. Like, what do you do for work? Where do you live? Who do you live with? Like got all up in there. And then when I had a little bit of a post part of Melty, that involved some 3 a.m. crying and roaming the halls, then they, the nurse, she like ratted on me. She narked and sent another social worker to my room the next morning. So I didn't know that. I was like, I'm fine. I'm just crying. I'm just crying all night. Big deal. So what if I'm roaming the halls being like, where's my baby? Where'd you take you? I just had no sleep. Voice of the people. It's, it's not shaking when he says, really, you want to do this now while looking at the floor between his legs before the motions. By the way, Joe, you and Rob, you and Rob Guvia make a great day. Rob Guvia. Yeah, we both turn a lot of time focusing on legal issues with Trump. So and Rob is phenomenal. Big fan of his work. He's just a smart guy, great content creator. I strongly recommend him as well. He's great. Love to do another episode. So it's up Cecil. I'm sad that Donovan isn't alive to ship post this. Yeah. Rest in peace, Donovan. I miss him all the time. In Primary Mind, Joe brings you law ASMR. I actually, when I was when I was working on my on my motion to my application to get Trump ungagged. So this is this is what that last comment was about. So I literally started. I knew everyone wants to know, you know, everyone was watching my channel and wanted to know how that was developing. So I said, you know what I'm going to do? I'm literally going to do my legal work online. Not talk to the audience. They're just going to watch me typing and watch the sausage being made as far as me trying to create these different documents. I drafted the petition. I drafted the motion. And I basically turn my camera on, not talk to the audience. And they just had a big screen where they're watching what I'm typing and how I'm putting everything together. So all you heard was click, click, click, click, click. And everyone so on me muttering myself screaming like, I suck. No, that's got to be better. That's too weak. Make this stronger. Cut this out. Like, but it would be like 10 minutes of silence or just clacking. And then I just sort of like, like what I wrote, wrote. And I'd be like, no, or sometimes be like, Oh, that's good. Oh, that's really good. That's really good. So like, that's basically, and I started calling it lawyer mukbang, because because that's essentially what I was doing. So I had like 3000 people live watching me just type of document. I couldn't even believe it. Interesting. Yeah. That's why I call everyone. Yeah, thank you, thank you, spectral for the 10 Chrissy Mayor memberships. Mr. Ray, Joe, is a true 25% of all drug users relapse in a bathroom with ski mask and pill shots at Chrissy Mayor wedding. Oh, there were there was some gentle drug use at my wedding. I did not find that out until after the fact. Some, some people were micro dosing. I just thought they all like to dance. M for a now when Nick was fapping, he had just been sent a picture of a purple dragon, not safe or work image. He was, I don't know what that means, but thank you. Um, on Christian, I don't think selfishness is the right frame for this. Nick has shown himself to be a giver to act like someone is making choices once they are addicted, doesn't understand addiction. Right. And frankly, there's a lot about addiction. Yeah, I don't understand well enough. So, yeah. And it's, you know, people can speculate when they want a pinpoint when exactly he, you know, became a different person or the drugs took over or whatever. And only really, he probably knows that for sure. Malcolm Ferguson, according to Kurt under Minnesota law, Nick is unlikely to face jail time over the current charges. Of course, that doesn't take into account anything he hasn't yet been charged with. You think more charges could be coming? Kurt is a reference to un-civil law, by the way, in case you're wondering. Um, I think you met him, right? And one of Nick's dreams, probably. Um, oh, yeah, I think he's been to, maybe that was Jeff, who was at Anime Matsuri. Yeah, I think, you know, he was that he was, yeah, he's got the hat. Yeah, he's the big out of the hat. So, and wait, his name's Kurt. I've been calling him Jeff for months. No, there's, there's two different people. There's Kurt and Jeff. Okay. Kurt has like the reddish hair and his balding and he, they both were hats. So maybe that's why we're having this confusion. Jeff is legal vices. Legal vices is the one who, everyone calls Lorax because his beard looks like the mustache looked like the Lorax guy. Okay. The North Korea guy. Yeah, the North Korea guy. So he's, I think he's actually in the country now, he's on vacation here in America. But, um, there was a sort of video of him in Vegas. But actually South Korea, North Korea would be the bad Korea. That is the bad Korea versus good Korea. Yeah. So, so that's, that is Jeff. Kurt is on civil law. He's, he's the big guy with no facial hair and wears a hat frequently. So, and he's very, he's very, they're both very smart lawyers. I'm friends with both of them. And, and, and yeah, there's, they basically have a grid as far as on the chart. That's why the numbers I was giving you as far as the number of months that he'd be facing as far as sentencing guidelines. But those sentencing guidelines as Malcolm is correctly pointing out frequently when you're talking in these scenarios that the judge has discretion and frequently will cut those, cut those guidelines down to no time at all. So, although you guys sort of have to ask yourself because the judge assigns this is Judge Fisher, and Judge Fisher is the case that he has his Monty lawsuit with. And he has said some pretty terrible things about Judge Fisher, which is not a good situation for him to be in front of her in that context. If you're, if you're worried about him, you were about him getting a lenient sentence from a judge. You don't really want to be going from a judge that you publicly bashed as being a terrible judge. That's just, maybe she could have forgotten about that. Maybe. Awesome. Antoine, what drugs are found documents says 26 grams of both ketamine and cocaine combined, but it also says the containers weight was included. A lot of assumptions. Yeah. It seems like mostly just those two. Yeah. It was weird as if you look through the cocaine numbers and I ran through the number, the numbers. When I ran through the numbers, I came up 26 points that were reported. There's 26.6 grams of coke. And in addition to that, they reference eight ketamine pills. I don't know enough about about Minnesota criminal defense law. I do have, I would have concerns if I was his, if I was his attorney, I would have concerns that that 26 grams is not including the ketamine. The ketamine is on top of that, which could, which could make it more difficult for him to get out of that level two, that higher level two offense and get back down into the level three. So it's an interesting, it's an interesting question. And it's just, we have to, sometimes we need to recognize that we're at a stage here, which is really early in this whole process. So it's very premature to assume how anything is going to work. Riley, thank you for being a real friend, holding him accountable, recognizing he needs help and not instantly throwing him under the bus. It means a lot. I don't know. I hope that's directed at both of us for probably more so you. MF Coomworski snare is he does something to Aaron. I don't, that would be very button wise, very stupid. Like, like, meaning Nick doesn't think to Aaron, but I don't think he's got a reason to do that. M4A now, uh, pantomimining definition, dramatic entertainment in which performance, aggressive meaning, AKA Nick was fake happening. Oh, okay. Uh, steals it. Oh, God. Aaron's in the chat. Hello, Aaron. You're at fall, Chrissy. This is just tasteful. Okay. Everyone else is a fault. Everyone else. Everyone else. Film my name wrong. Antoine, how's anyone think affidavit for a warrant is defensible? I was, I went thinking affidavit for the warrant is defensive. Oh, yeah. So I went through, I went through the whole warrant law in, um, um, kind of stream a couple of days ago when I, when they broke out the, the probable cause basis for issuing a warrant. So in, so the, the, the law is that you need to have a substantial basis to, that you need to look at the totality of circumstances. In other words, you know that you need, you can't just go into someone's house. Thank God we live in America where you have to get a search warrant. Well, when is the search warrant supposed to be issued? So search warrants in the case of Illinois versus Supreme Court decision of Illinois versus, I'm going to forget the name, Graves. I'm not sure. Something with the G, um, came out and said that you look at the totality of circumstances. And then there has to be a substantial basis to basically find that, to, to believe that you're going to find illegal conduct activity or evidence of illegal conduct or activity in order to justify a search warrant in the state of Minnesota. What they basically say, the, the Minnesota Supreme Court has taken that case and said that we think that there's supposed to be a lot of deference that's given to the search warrant. So if you're looking to overturn the search warrant at this, which is where the stage we're at now, you can have questions as to legitimacy of the search warrant and what was there. But there has to be enough that if you want to overturn it at this stage and say that was unconstitutional, that we're going to give a lot of deference to the judge who decided it. And that you can't, that any one factor that is insufficient doesn't get knocked out altogether. But you can look at a whole bunch of things that relative, they each them independently look like they're not significant, look at the totality of circumstances and, and conclude that there's enough here to believe that you're likely to satisfy the Supreme Court standard that you're going to find illegal conduct or a legal, or, or, or a legal possession. So, um, and also they say that, that's, that's, whatever the, and this is a key thing here, whatever the judge decides, you're not reviewing it to no vote. You don't review it anew. You basically looking to see, was this judge crazy when they issued the search warrant? I mean, was this something that's remotely justifiable for her, for him or her to come to conclusion that they think that drugs are going to be found here? And I think that given that, that wide latitude that is given to the judge in this situation, you can sit here and think and believe and maybe you're correct that she was biased and that's why she issued this. She hates Nick and that's why she did it because she, you know, she nicks from bashing her publicly online. And that's why she did this. And that's what Barnes would say. And it's very possible that's correct. It's also, it's also, it's also very likely, even if that is true, it's very likely that an appellate court would look at that and say, well, we got to give her the benefit of the doubt because we try to protect more and assume that they're okay. So, I don't think that at this stage it becomes relevant anymore. It's more of a, it's more of a question about what's happening here as far as our understanding of the situation rather than actually being relevant in legal sense, as far as that Nick is going to win this war, win this fight. And right now we just, we want Nick to not be on drugs, right? I mean, I think that's where we're all out at here. And I think that that's, I'm not saying, I'm not, I personally think if I saw that totality of facts, would I have signed off on the warrants? I don't know. I mean, it's tough call. Would you sign off on the warrant? You saw what, you've read what was said in there. The people reporting that there's, that the four people complaining the kids are not being properly cared for, that there's this life of debauchery that's being implied by people moving into the house, that then, but that's not, none of that is criminal. I mean, nothing, there's no urgency that we're worried about the kids really, and it's not really criminal neglect here. So, so that. Aaron did give one of them a can of SpaghettiOs. So, right. That is kind of a crime. No, but then they talked about, they talked about the streams that he saw and the white powder they thought they saw on his nose, the visible stuff that they saw from his videos, the, the weight loss, the marks all over his body, the judge being told that their track marks, even though they probably weren't, but you know, that's what she, she had to rely on at the time that someone claims that they saw, that they saw injection points of track marks, which I think was, was, I think that was BS, you know, because like I said, there were no needles. I don't think he's, I don't think he's used needles. I can tell you that if you ask me my opinion, do I think he used drugs? I don't know that he did, but do I think he used drugs? You know, that's, that's my take. I think he's, I think he's used drugs. Do I, you know, do I think he, he's used needles? Absolutely not, because you don't have any, you don't have any needles in the house. So then how you gain track marks, but if she was wrong and that's what she saw, you know, and there's enough different totality here, you can understand her saying, I think you're going to find drugs in that house. He shoots in his own studio. That's another thing that's in the affidavit. He shoots his own studio, which is in his basement. So we know that that's, you know, and here's a stream from a couple of days ago where, where he looks like he's high as a kite and seems to have white substance on his nose. And so do I think in totality of circumstances, you're going to find drugs in the house more likely than that. Is there enough substantial elements here? You can understand someone saying, yeah, and I don't think that's, I don't think that's a crazy take. If this came to me on appeal, I'll tell you right now, this came to me on appeal, there's no way in hell I would overturn this war. My, me personally, if I was sitting as a judge in the appellate court in Minnesota, and you said, I, from what, unless there's something that I don't know right now, if I was sitting on a appellate court, there's no way in heck I would overturn. Now you can say the standard isn't high enough. Okay, but that's a Supreme Court decision. That's not, you don't play with Nick's life trying to fight over changing the world and changing the law on that. Yeah. Antoine says it requires reliable info. Three degrees of hearsay equals b s. Yeah, you right, and the veracity and he's correcting that standard also, the veracity and and reliability of the people who reporting and you know, if it's people who hate him, which you know, it's even in the report, they recognize that there's a falling out between Aaron and, and I don't know if Aaron was the source or not, I have no idea. It's not really clear who these anonymous people are. Whether or not he is a source, I don't know, or, and we don't know whether the people in church who, you know, it could be, it could be people he told to go kill themselves and they hate him also, you know what I'm saying? I mean, would that shock you? Would that, would that shock you if Nick said some fellow parishioners, you know, someone basically made a comment to him by asking who the woman is with him and he said, none of your business go kill yourself. Would that shock you that they were like, that seems extreme for church. That seems like more of a what you know, Nick, what you know, Rick, if I told you that happened, I'm not saying it did happen. He never told me anything like that at all. He's never talked to me anything about any experiences that in church. I'm simply saying, you know, we've seen, we've seen how he talks sometimes. The idea that he pissed off some of his fellow parishioners with his conduct, would that shock anyone? Anyone? Chrissy, you'd be shocked. I can't believe it. I don't know, it's church. I can't believe that fellow church group go with that Nick offense. Come on, come on, come on. If anyone poked their nose, if some, some Karen from church basically came over and started poking questions into like, yeah, so if he saw some busy body, you think he went Tom to go F themselves? They might say go kill yourself. He might say he was pretty extreme. Okay, he might not say that, but you don't think he would Tom go F themselves? Maybe perhaps it's Nick. It's Nick. Come on. Sherry said. Definitely. I'd be shocked if he wouldn't. Sherry lost is I'm here stalking Joe. I'm going to go through that couple of these. I got to. I'm sorry. I've been reading. I had to land this plane. No, but you're great. You're great. This has been so much fun. Ron Martin left his persecuted rush Limbaugh for an addiction scandal, yet he overcame and continued his show. Nick can do the same. SJWs are the real threat. Thank you, Ron. Yeah, I hope he gets better. Meredith G on 524 Huntley, Gruber and Barnes had a really good discussion about addiction that applies that I recommend. It's on America's untold stories. Thank you, Meredith. I drove local moms, Nick, mugshot tote. Oh, you made Nick mugshot tote bags. Well, everyone's going to drift and to on who claimed it, not the guy who talked to the cops. Thank you. Thank you, Phil. Thank you for the $10 and just a cat in the hat. That's a great super chat. Squabob, who do you trust? I trust you, squabob. Phil B, Joe Biden. No, I'm getting that off. Xander, Camon said Nick doing this since at least at less three years. I don't know what exactly that means. Antoine, drug use isn't the basis for warrant neglect is mistaken. You're mistaken. You're mistaken. No, the drug more specifically says go look for drug power. Okay. Grumkel, Nick's situation is just the same as in the life crisis plus a lottery win. Well, he did admit that he was having a midlife crisis, but oh my God, Joe, this was great. We we could we'll have to do this again and talk about your your un-gagged Trump situation because I had a lot of fun here. This is cool. Hang on with you. Thank you to the chat. Where else can people find you on YouTube? I mean, I meant 97 900 right now. Oh, so close. Wow. I can I can taste it. I can taste it. Like it's like, you know, it's almost like it's next, like his tongue into his nose. He could just taste it. So he's away. Yes. So I can I can I can yeah. So that's and my channel is called good logic. Like, like then you see spelled in my name over here. And if you can come on over, I hang out for a couple hours every single night. And I also have a locals, which is goodlogic.locals.com. I go into more detail, try to talk a little bit more about philosophy and like practical philosophy for life. Yeah, listen to it while you fall asleep. Yes. Very stupid. Those are tones of good logic to us because drugs with kids equals neglect. Yes. Thank you. Next heat allergy meds are in no, I don't think he does injectables either. Oh my gosh, you guys have been great. Thank you so much for all of the super chats. My God, I could I feel like I could do a whole other stream about this. There's just so much to unpack. Who knows? Maybe we will. Thank you so much, Joe, for jumping on. I have to go train my boobs. Thank you, chat. And I'll see you next time. Bye. God speed.