Hey, it's Alan, and I just wanted to let you know that you can now listen to the ongoing history of new music early and ad-free on Amazon music, included with Prime. Hey, how well do you get along with your siblings? Assuming you have any, of course. Brothers and sisters can be a pain, especially when you're always in close quarters, and, you know, when you have to work with them as well, God, that can be ugly. We've talked about musical feuds before. Madonna, for example, does not get along with her brother Christopher Chaconi, especially after he published a memoir about growing up with her. I think things are okay now. The Everly Brothers, Don and Phil, did not get along. After a speed-fueled breakup in 1973, they talked to each other just once in the following ten years, and that was at their father's funeral. Ray and Dave Davies of the Kinks — that's a bad one that's been going on forever — John v. Tom Fogarty of Credence Clearwater Revival, Mary and Robin Gibb of the Bee Gees, Kristen Rich Robinson of the Black Crows. And then there was John and William Reed of the Jesus and Mary Chain, they'd even fight on stage in the middle of a show. And although I know that they weren't really brothers, Joey and Johnny Ramon didn't talk to each other for years after Johnny stole and then married Joey's girlfriend. The most famous sibling rivalry in all of music has to be — has to be — Knoll and Liam Gallagher. This is part two of A Wases at War. This is the ongoing history of new music podcast with Alan Cross. That's a Wases from the 2000 album standing on the shoulder of Giants, their fourth record, and that's Go Let It Out. Welcome again, I'm Alan Cross and this is the second half of the chronology of all the fights between Knoll and Liam Gallagher that led to the breakup of A Wases, plus the bad blood that has lingered since. Standing on the shoulder of Giants came out on February 28, 2000. On May 20 of that year, A Wases was supposed to perform in Barcelona. However, there was a problem. Drummer Alan White had bad tendinitis in his hands and arms, which is a very common thing for drummers, and there was no choice but to cancel the show. This left the band with Time to Kill, which meant lots of drinking. At some point in the evening, Liam said something nasty about Knoll's then-wife Meg Matthews. Let's just say that he questioned the paternity of Knoll's daughter, Anais. This was a bad idea. Knoll leapt on Liam, punched him in the face, split his lip, and then gave him a serious headbutt. Then he stomped off, saying that he quit. He was done with the band. However, the group carried on just the same. On May 30, they played a show in Milan with a replacement guitarist named Matt Daiton, and they continued without Knoll for the next 18 shows. Knoll did not return to the band until July 15, when it was time to play some big outdoor festivals across the UK. And even then, a press release said that Knoll would no longer tour with A Wases overseas. He'd had it. That was it. Eventually, though, he'd calm down enough to change his mind. But the bad feelings lingered, even though neither one of them spoke of the incident for five years. It wasn't until 2005 that Knoll broke the silence, saying, quote, "I've never forgiven him because he's never apologized. He's my brother, but he's at arm's length until he apologizes for what he's done." Now, there was an apology eventually, but you'll see. I thank you for the song, the one that shines on everyone who feels love. Who feels love? Another track from Standing on the Shoulder of Giants, a record that Knoll Gallagher says really should have never been made. In retrospect, he thinks the band should have taken a year off, got their heads back together, and then made the next record. But instead, the tensions got worse. In August 2002, Liam walked off the stage just four songs into a set in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. He said his voice had gone bad, a continuation of a case of the flu that had caused a cancellation of a show in Spain 10 days earlier. By the fall, he had bailed on three shows, mid-set. Now, you can imagine how Knoll might have felt. There was a period of six weeks on this tour where Liam and Knoll didn't say a word to each other. The next battle didn't physically involve Knoll, but he was dragged in nonetheless. It happened in a bar in Munich, Germany. This was December 1, 2002. Oasis was on tour in support of their heat and chemistry album. Liam and two other guys from the band went drinking in the nightclub bar of the Beyershire Hoff, one of the top hotels in the city, and they got drunk. And then they started throwing peanuts at five Italians. Then, the DJ unwittingly played an Oasis song, which prompted Liam and Alan White to jump up on a stage to do a little unwanted karaoke. From there, somebody, Liam and Alan were not sure, jumped on the table in front of the Italian guys that they had been throwing peanuts at. And that table promptly collapsed. And this is when the fight started. From the bar, the fight quickly moved out into the hotel lobby. Furniture was broken, several windows were smashed, hotel staff called the police, and they responded with 10 cars. By the time they arrived, Oasis drummer Alan White was bleeding because of an ashtray to the head, and both of their security details were injured. In fact, one of the security guys was out cold. Meanwhile, the five Italians had escaped. Liam had lost several teeth and was bruised and battered all over. A policeman was quoted as saying, "The boy didn't look good. People of his teeth were punched out." But that didn't stop him from launching himself at one of the cops kicking him in the ribs as hard as he could. Liam was arrested, and the subsequent toxicology results showed that he was very drunk and that there was a substantial quantity of cocaine in his system. Liam required $30,000 worth of emergency dental surgery, and he and two other members of the band spent 12 hours in jail. Oh, and the rest of that European tour had to be canceled, of course, costing the band millions in revenue. And if that weren't enough, management had to pay a fine on Liam's behalf of more than $300,000 before anybody in the band could leave Germany. Noel was upstairs in his room when all this happened, and when he found out he was furious, and yes, there was a confrontation afterwards. Meanwhile, Liam could have faced two years in jail. Noel Noel would say about the incident was, "All I'm bothered about is that he can still sing." Oh, and these Italian guys? Well, a few years later, we found out that they weren't mafia dudes. Liam had said they were. They were four real estate agents and a computer nerd. "Stop crying your heart out from the heathen chemistry album of 2002." The German brawl added even more attention to a crazy tent situation between Noel and Liam, and it was only going to get worse. You'll see what I mean. Forging ahead together drives Colorado's pioneering spirit. We also employ our neighbors to deliver the energy needed as the state's largest oil and natural gas producer. All to help improve lives in our shared backyard. That's Energy in Progress. Visit colorado.chephron.com. With AMX Platinum, you can really be in the now. Access to resi priority notify? Yes. 4 p.m. check out with fine hotels and resorts booked through AMX Travel. We needed this. And dedicated card member entrances at select events. Let's go! Mmm, you can focus on the present moment. That's the powerful backing of American Express. In terms of supply, learn more at american express.com/with AMX. Card member entrance access not limited to AMX Platinum card. Ever wondered what it feels like to be a gladiator? Facing a roaring crowd and potential of death in the Coliseum? Find out on the ancient podcast from History Hit. Twice a week leading experts and academics delve into our distant past and discover secrets thought lost to the sands of time. Join me, Tristan Hughes, as I hear exciting new research about people living thousands of years ago, from the Babylonians to the Celts to the Romans. And visit the ancient sites which reveal who and just how amazing our distant ancestors were. That's the ancients from History Hit. After the dust settled from Liam's big dust up in Munich, things didn't get much better. Things were rocky with the rest of the band, too. By 2004, Noel and Liam were the last remaining original members of the band. None of the other guys were willing to step in between them when things got heated. So, that's how things got worse. They chirped at each other in the media. In fact, here's a quote from Noel, "He's actually frightened to death of me. I can read him and I can play him like a slightly disused arcade game. I can make him make decisions that he thinks are his, but really their mine." Here's another quote. I don't know who the guy is who's in these interviews. He seems really cool, because the guy I've been in a band with for the last 18 years is a knobhead. And here's my favorite. He's rude, arrogant, intimidating, and lazy. He's the anguariest man you'll ever meet. He's like a man with a fork in a world of soup. Highly entertaining, but not really good for the band. Or was it? The sixth Oasis album seemed to be a solid return to form. Don't believe the hype was released on May 30, 2005, a number one debut, best chart performance in the U.S. since Be Here Now, a series of singles, two of which reached number one in the U.K., a very successful tour, and a bunch of awards. So, maybe everybody had grown up, or maybe not. Things simmer down between Noel and Liam for much of 2006, 2007, and 2008. They were on again, off again recording sessions. Noel had a son, and a new album called "Dig Out Your Soul" was released on October 6, 2008. Again, all appeared reasonably well. The album went to number one in the U.K., and all the way to number five in the U.S. An 18-month tour was planned, but that got screwed up when Noel was attacked by a stupid fan on stage at the Virgin Festival in Toronto on September 8, 2008. He broke three ribs, and a bunch of shows had to be canceled. But Noel's tough. He healed. More good news. The band got a new three album deal. There were more awards, and on June 4, 2009, they played three huge hometown shows in Manchester in front of more than 70,000 people a night. But things were not good between the brothers. Oasis was supposed to play the V Festival on August 23, but Liam canceled because he had Larry Jaitis. Two years later, Noel would claim that Liam was actually massively hung over, an accusation that caused Liam to sue his brother, but that suit was later dropped. More on that in a moment. But then came the final straw. Five days later, they were in Paris, backstage in the dressing room. Liam was furious about the bad press he had been getting. According to Noel, he began ranting and raving about all these people who were saying bad things about him, and that Noel had something to do with it. Liam wasn't apparently getting the sympathy he wanted from the rest of the band, so he stormed under the dressing room, throwing some fruit at the wall. A plum, if you're interested. There was an awkward silence, as everybody in the band looked at the floor. Then Liam comes back into the room, carrying one of Noel's guitars like an axe. This was more violent than anyone had ever seen Liam in a band situation. Noel makes a joke, not a good idea. Liam doesn't like it and starts swinging the guitar around, nearly hitting Noel in the head. Ultimately, the guitar was trashed. Noel left the dressing room in a huff, just as someone declared that it was five minutes to show time. Noel sat in a car backstage for all of those five minutes, and when he came out he said, "That's it. I can't do this anymore." Two hours later, a statement appeared on the Oasis website. It read, "It's with some sadness and great relief to tell you that I quit Oasis tonight. People will write and say what they like, but I simply could not go on working with Liam a day longer." So after 18 years, that was the end of Oasis. Oasis came to an end on August 28, 2009. Two years later, Noel had this to say at a press conference. Liam was quite violent. At that point, there hadn't been any physical violence, but it was a bit like WWE wrestling, and he was like, "The Macho Man Randy Savage." He was like, "Ooh, yeah," and all that going on. It's like, "F'ing hell." Liam does the FU and FU and FU, and then he kind of storms out of the dressing room. And I'm glad it never ended like this. On the way out, he picked up a plum and threw it across the dressing room, and it smashed against the wall. Part of me wishes it did end like that. And that would have been a great headline. Plum throws Plum and finishes F in Oasis. Then he kind of leaves, he goes out of the dressing room. For whatever reason, he went to his own dressing room, and he came back with a guitar and he started wielding it like an axe. I'm not effing kidding. And I'm making light of it because it's kind of what I do, but it's a real unnecessary violent act. And he's swinging this guitar around, and he nearly took off my face with it. It ended up on the floor, and I put it out of its misery. There were people who were in the band, not saying anything, kind of looking the other way. It wasn't even a big dressing room. And I was like, "You know what? I'm effing out of here." And at that point, the tour manager came in and said, "Five minutes." I got in the car and sat there for five minutes, and I just said, "F it, you can't do it anymore." It was after this press conference that Liam sued Noel for slander. At around the same time as this press conference, we became aware of the bands each brother had formed, and a new round of sniping began. That's where we'll go next. Hi, it's Terri O'Reilly, host of Under the Influence. Back in the late 90s, I was a co-founder of Beetleology Magazine. We interviewed people who knew the Beatles and celebrities who collected the Beatles. We're releasing those recordings for the first time, and you'll hear Mark Hamill tell a classic story about meeting George Harrison on a plane. People hear Springsteen drummer Max Weinberg talk about what happened backstage the night John Lennon was assassinated and why Bill Maher admired Lennon's political incorrectness. It's a fascinating collection of interviews. Catch our special Beatles series on the Under the Influence with Terri O'Reilly podcast feed. This is part two of Oasis at War, and we're up to the point where the band is finished, and the bad blood between Noel and Liam had entered an entirely new phase. When Oasis broke up, it was Liam who retained custody of the rest of the band. Guitarist Gam Archer and Andy Bell, along with drummer Chris Sharok, stayed with him. He called the band BDI, and they were the first out of the gate with new music. It was a free download called Bring the Light on November 9, 2010. This was followed by a full album on February 28, 2011, called Different Gears Still Speeding, but it did. This was one of five singles from the album. It's called Four Letter Word. Stop bad, right? Liam Gallagher's post-Oasis band BDI with Four Letter Word from the album Different Gears Still Speeding. Noel responded with his own project, Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds. They released a debut record on October 17th of 2011. It ended up selling much better than Liam's, and last I heard, it has sold more than 2.5 million copies globally. So let's sample it. This was the first single. It's called The Death of You and Me. "Solo Noel Gallagher" with The Death of You and Me from his first album under the name High Flying Birds, or as Liam tweeted out in response, High Flying Turds. Nice. There was one more BDI album before Liam folded that tent with an idol launching a full-on solo career. Meanwhile, Noel continued on his merry way. The brothers yammered at each other occasionally over the next five years, but then Liam showed up at a High Flying Birds gig. What did that mean? Well, nothing apparently because there's a famous tweet from Liam in 2016 that featured a picture of Noel along with the word "potato," and there was another tweet that read "F-Oasis." Liam also went after Noel in the press, chatting him for a living in a $30 million house and hanging out with people like Bono and his once mortal enemy Damon Albarn of Blur. Still, the English press occasionally reports that there will be a reunion. That Liam is running out of money and needs a waste as to get back together to top up the bank account. That their mother Peggy is heartbroken because of the split and is demanding that her boys bury the hatchet. Still nothing. Then a subtle change in attitude on Liam's part. In October 2016, the Oasis documentary Super Sonic had its premiere in London. Liam was there, but no, it wasn't. Here's a quote from Liam. "Oh no, he won't be there. He's in one of his really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really big houses, probably eating tofu and having an effing face pill. Isn't that right? Men of the people." Okay, but at the same time, Liam also said that he'd be open to an Oasis reunion. This is what he told me. This is an important document because, again, I think it's very important to go back and record the history of important bands, important albums, important times in music. Do you see this leading to something else now that the Oasis crew has sort of drifted back together a little bit? No. No, I don't, I just see it's been documented and it's there for whatever people want to take from it. I think it is good that people are speaking about Oasis as an Albrecht, but we're not about just being actually having a fucking little itchy b**** in gigs at each other. So I think that's good that people are sort of speaking about us as a band again, but I don't think much of you're going to come from it. You're not going? Which is too bad because I think that if there was a reunion, this would be the biggest reunion that there could possibly be in the universe right now. Well, there ain't that, not just that because I'm busy now. I know I'm busy, and I'm busy, so f*** it. I have to wait for it. Ah, longer. Well, as we all know now, and despite what Liam said to me in that clip, Oasis is a book. Oasis is back together and touring next summer. So far, we know of shows in the UK and Ireland, two here in Toronto at Downsview Park in August, and then onto the US for a few cities as well as Mexico City. And then there's Asia, Australia, New Zealand, and South America. I hope you enjoyed this two-parter on the Brothers Gallagher that we did a few years ago. The relationship between Liam and Noel is truly one of the most intense sibling rivalries in all of music. Let's hope they can hold it all together through this tour, but we'll see, won't we? If you want more like this, there are hundreds of ongoing history of new music podcasts available for free. All the platforms have, though. Make sure you follow and like the feed so you never miss an episode. Plus, if you can rate and review, that would be great. We can meet up on all the social media channels. There's my website, a journal of musicalthings.com. It's updated every day. Plus, there's the free daily newsletter that goes with it. And I have another podcast. It looks at the intersection of music and true crime. Look for uncharted crime in mayhem in the music industry, wherever you get your podcasts. And I welcome any emails too. Drop me a line at allen@allencross.ca. Technical Productions by Rob Johnston. We'll talk to you next time. I'm Allen Cross. 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