FEEDING SUCCESS
Anna Mosley - Equipping Leaders & Teams To Work Smarter Not Harder To Achieve Extraordinary Results Together
Today, I'm really excited to welcome Anna Mosley, the UK's number one growth mindset and leadership coach. Now Anna is an award-winning speaker and more recently she just launched the 80 Academy, which equips leaders and their teams to unleash their extraordinary. Now my name's Hannah and I help high performers break free from destructive over-eating habit. Now Anna, thank you so much for joining me, I've been dying to have you on here. Welcome to Feeding Success. Thank you, I've been dying to come on here, I'm excited, not as excited as I am about this one. Anna, you're a happily married mum of two gorgeous young girls, you've held some great roles for other companies and you've recently launched your new 80 Academy. Share a brief overview of your business journey until 80's launch. Okay, so where did it all start? So I've got roughly a 15-year corporate career background, so I spent many years, started on the L'Oreal graduate program and worked my way up into various leadership roles and to global leadership roles and long story short, there was a time Hannah when it was after having my second daughter Daisy, she must have been that one at the time, I'd recently returned to work into a full-time global leadership role and I was a huge perfectionist at the time and I mean there was this brutal inner voice, really brutal, I expected 110% of across every area of life, there was a lot of pressure I put on myself and it led to extreme burnout. I've always been a high achiever, but we'll probably talk about this later, that had a very detrimental effect at this point in my life and it was that breakdown that led me into getting a coach myself and then actually deciding that the coaching and training world was where I wanted to be, it really suits my personality, I've always loved leading teams to transformation, so from that point I became a coach, I actually focused in the mental health world which is why I'm very experienced when it comes to dealing with things like anxiety, depression, disorders, addictions, those types of things, but that then progressed me on to coming back into the corporate world because of my understanding of business and leadership, I actually decided to then become a high performance coach, to start it off with mental health coaching, transition to high performance coaching and everything I do now has a mental fitness underpinning it, so I launched 80 in January, 80 growth academy and I'm really bridging the gap between mental fitness and high performance for businesses, so I will upskill leaders and their teams to become more mentally fit so that they've got the headspace to think bigger, they've got greater clarity of thought, to be able to adopt a growth mindset to then drive a high performance culture, so there's lots of elements that go with or into this, but in a nutshell I deliver programs, workshops, motivational talks into businesses of all sizes, I do specialise in recruitment but I work across industry and if any forward-thinking business that wants to transform the performance and mindset of their team with positive cultural shift, then I'm your lady, I think everyone needs a bit of a mindset upshift now and then don't they, I think we all do, we take our mindset everywhere, don't we hang out, it's very important to keep working on it I think, completely and what's the reason it's called 80, there's a story behind there which will make probably more sense to the listeners now because I've explained that that breakdown occurred back in 2017 and I recognise that I was aiming for 110% across all aspects of life which was completely unrealistic and unsustainable and my biggest learning has been that 80% is enough, so 80% is about working smarter, not harder and playing smarter not harder, it is about pouring into all the cups of life to an extent whether that's fitness, nutrition, motherhood, business ownership, all in pouring into all of these cups so that what I achieve off the back of that is more balanced, a greater sense of fulfilment and it's that 80% rule that I live by and that I teach that enables people to perform at 100% so that's the irony, if you imagine a formula 80+80+80+80 across all aspects equals 100% performance, I'm trying to really dispel the myth of to be a high performer you've got to be a busy fool, no you don't, yeah and perfectionism is such, oh yes it slows you down so much because that final 10% achieving that takes so much of your energy, yeah perfectionism I would say is arguably the most detrimental and dangerous thinking style of all when we get somebody on the far end of the continuum and it's extreme like it was for me, yeah it can absolutely lead to a mental and physical downfall that is for sure, obviously everything's going really well for you now, you can hear it, you can see it in your face, in your voice, everything about you, your bobs you hit the right vein and you've touched on how hard it was, can we go a bit deeper because there are going to be other working mums, parents, whatever, in great careers, really putting everything into their work, what was the lowest point you were at, can you remember it and point it, yeah it can, I remember it because I remember being in my car on an incredibly rainy day, you know when the rain just hammers on the windscreen you can just can't see out of it, it's, it's deafening and I was at a point of feeling so overwhelmed, confused, panicky, basically I was a 10 out of 10 on the stressometer as I call it and I was on my way to a forecasting meeting, a leadership forecasting meeting, quite an intimidating meeting and I remember being in the car and feeling emotional, crying for what felt like no reason, those inner voices were deafening, you're a terrible man, you're a crap leader, why can't you do anything right, why didn't you get the kids packed lunch ready, why did your husband have to do it, you were a bad wife, I remember the moment because I was driving and suddenly I completely forgot where I was driving to, total memory loss and it was at that point, it was like a bang, I realised I was having a breakdown in that moment and it was really low because I didn't know who I was anymore, I felt I'd lost my identity, I just felt like I was failing on every front, I was physically unwell, mentally unwell and it, it was a shocker because I'd always been this bubbly confident person that people would be shocked to think, oh, animosity, having a breakdown really, but it happens to many high achievers actually and I think perfectionism is wildly misunderstood and needs to be talked about more, I agree with you and how did you actually go about, you said you got a coach to help you, what did that entail and how did you turn your life around, so there's a few things that came out of this incredible coaching experience, I'm a big fan of investing in coaches and mentors, I will never stop investing, I think absolutely it's what the most successful people must and should do and at that moment, what I got out for those, it was actually seven sessions at the time, heavily focused on anxiety and deepening my foundations, I rebuilt my self-esteem from within and what I realised Hannah is that up until that point, I had real good girl mentality, I had good girl syndrome, let's call it that, where I had to deliver the best result, I had to be the best, I sought validation all the time, I needed compliments to keep me buoyant, I needed good things and good outcomes and what I learnt in that coaching experience was, only you can be the one that talks to a self-esteem batch we up and I learnt how to do that, I've learnt how to create high self-esteem from within I now maintain and I have learnt that as I said 80% is enough, I've learnt how to thrive in the grey area, whereas before as a perfectionist everything had to be black and white, I either failed or I succeeded, I needed a high level of control, I couldn't let go, I wanted to take over everything and it was learning to let go and create this high self-esteem that I think enabled me to regain balance again and be okay with things not needing to be perfect anymore, I was so much happier as a result of that and I've been putting it into practice ever since and that was back in 2017-18 that I went through that and I've noticed we all have qualities we consider to be our strengths, when you look back they can actually be a point of weakness but you can't necessarily see it for yourself, so for instance one of my strengths is I can fix any problem myself I'm clever, I'm resourceful and I have any problem that's going on with people, I love to fix it, however I do, there is a certain amount of pride that I've had in my resourcefulness and my persistence, what instead hours of my life fixing problems because I've had to learn the solution where I couldn't have done it in a fraction of the time if I've only asked for help oh that's so great you realise that now though how I'm blind me, good example though what main strengths you deal with that hamper personal development and productivity with your clients, okay so what shows up, I mean if I can speak firstly on a more macro level it is the high achievers, the people that are really capable and good at what they do that are in the biggest danger of burnout, when you're good at something as you'll know Hannah right when you're very capable guess what everyone wants a piece of you, so if you're in a role at work you are going to be nominated for more projects, you're going to be nominated for the promotion for the extra responsibility, if you are great at what you do in extremely capable, high achiever at home you're likely to be the hub of the family, so you're in demand, so the strength becomes well it can become a weakness when it comes to perfectionism which is a side point but it certainly can be dangerous because everyone wants a piece of you, now if you couple that high capability with perfectionism and all of a sudden someone is viewing my through a lens of I have to impress, it has to be perfect, they're going to find themselves not going to not being able to set boundaries, not being able to say no, being a people pleaser and this is the the perfectionist trap I was in and therefore they're giving too much away, they become very self-less and it leads to being run down and then inevitably to a breakdown because they're doing too much, they're juggling too many things and they will not have that kind in a voice that notices progress because they're likely to be very obsessed over the end result if they're a high achieving perfectionist, so make sense? Make complete sense to me and utter everything when you're in the business world, yes, and you've touched twice now on self-talk, negative stuff, or rather than kind self-talk and I know in my line of work negative self-talk is massive, you know, constantly berating yourself for this that and the other and what we don't understand, firstly we don't even know we're doing it because it's in the background, yeah, but secondly we are actually programming our subconscious to believe exactly what we tell them, so when we persistently tell our subconscious that we useless, hopeless, bad parents, that's actually who we believe we are, have you got any other insights on that that you'd like to expand on Anna? Oh yeah, I mean we could talk about this all day, couldn't we? This is a really great subject self-talk, a dangerous one, but there's opportunity here of course, we are what we think, firstly we get what we focus on and beliefs are frigging powerful and they're not even fact and this is the fascinating thing just like you say, your self-talk becomes the belief, sometimes we grow up unfortunately with a parent who tells us we're not going to amount too much or someone in the playground who says you're ugly, I mean then the balloon gets blown up flawed for us but as soon as we believe something, as you've insinuated, we blow air into that balloon and it does turn into a program that spits out the thoughts we have every single day, so a statement that I like but it's a hard one to hear is we will never rise above the opinion we have of ourselves, we will never rise above, if I don't think I'm ever worthy of meeting the ideal person for me, I ain't meeting him, it's not happening because I'm not going to allow that evidence to come into my mind, my blinkers are on, so therefore there's more incentive than ever to charge our own battery from within, to get that self-talk as powerful and positive as possible so that we can drive these helpful beliefs that send us spinning into a much more helpful loop of helpful thoughts, helpful feelings, helpful behaviour and a happier life but we have a negativity biased as humans right, so we're more likely to think what didn't I do well enough or what, what don't I like about my body, we're more likely to spin into that zone because that's just how we are as humans in general, we've got to work really hard to seek the positives and there's a formula and I can't remember exactly what it is that something like very roughly for every negative you need three positives just to neutralise, right, so this is interesting, there's research that backs this up, I can't remember the exact percentage, it's like there's a decimal point in there but it's roughly three positives neutralises one negative which means we really need to be staying to ourselves five positives just to be able to feel better and that's quite a lot of effort right, five to one, when you think of how negative we can be as humans so we really need to become conscious of the need to talk this battery up from within ourselves and it's not easy and that's where the power of positive affirmations come in and I have to say when I first heard about affirmations I thought what a load of rubbish, what load of what rubbish should I, how can you do this, bearing in mind I came to personal development very late in life compared to others, what a load of old but it works yeah and I think that there is a link that that mustn't be a missing link when it comes to that because I think affirmations work fantastically well only when there's evidence to back it up right right so this is this is what I would coach my clients is don't look in the mirror in the morning and just say you are good enough, you are attractive, you are smart because your brain is going to be saying where there friggers the evidence for that mate so the tip that I always give my clients is at the end of every day this is really simplistic write down something you did well there's your evidence right for example I made time to play with my kids which is hard when you're busy right I made time to do a jigsaw with my kids might be the evidence of something I did well the affirmation then comes from asking the question what does that say about me that I sat down and made time for my kids and did a jigsaw with them I am a good mum really it's the link to the evidence yes yeah it because if I just said to myself I'm a good mum I'm not really going to believe it my brain needs to see repetitive evidence that backs that up and then you really can transform your beliefs in as little as two weeks which blows people's minds that that is possible if you really put the work in that's amazing Anna I'm going to use that feel that from you yeah that's a great honestly one of the best tips I could ever share for anyone because yourself a steam is like the foundations of a house that sits underneath how you show up in every aspect how you're thinking what you're capable of it's your foundational foundations isn't it yes it is and I definitely need evidence to back up facts yes and you know you're not the only one every single person does even if they think they don't they do because it's just our brain works well you've taught me something now Anna thank you you're welcome so you're on a fantastic career part trajectory and as a wife and mum how over do you manage a healthy work life balance and what do you see well I do the news to and this is the learning I do now though I do now though and it's not easy I mean personally I'm never striving for perfection that is like I've hit a gold mine recognizing that you know let's be perfectly imperfect how do I do it I let go I accept that good is enough I live my life by that 80% rule I time block for time to work on my business time to work in my business time for the date night time to be focused with the kids I know it might sound nuts but you've really got to do this because otherwise you will be firefighting the whole time us mums know that right you end up firefighting the whole time doing or dealing with the the problem that just came in but you got a time block in your personal life and in your work life when you are doing what because organizations really important and that is not a strong point of me for me Hannah my personality type is someone that I'm someone that could be really quite chaotic so time blocking really helps me manage my time and work more smart I don't want to work too hard I want to work smart and I don't want to play too hard I want to play smart so that's how I get the balance and just accepting that I'm in a grey area and good as enough and mistakes and dropping balls is all part of it absolutely I know you'd love to have fun and you'd love to play I do like to have fun I do like to play yeah what do you do in your downtime Hannah well of course I've got a few things that I love to do when it comes to family I love quality time and family and I'm walking in the woods with my dog I mean how simplistic is that these days I love nature I'm very social so I love to go out on my friends I love skiing that's probably my favorite hobby I love singing on the karaoke I'm quite outgoing but I ever adjusted my life still in line with my values based on having two young kids now you know you can't always do what you want all the time but I have snippets of everything I make sure that happens I make sure I get away with friends for a couple of nights now and again or but I really do cherish quality family time yes and it doesn't have to be complicated or expensive it can just be very simple but being present is something I didn't used to be so I cherish sometimes doing nothing yeah if I never used to that's a wonderful thing for me that is a game-changer for me actually yeah because it gives you space to think and create as well doesn't it cause it does and connect I don't think you can connect when there's I don't know doing something all the time or it's the fast pace of life these days and worries me it worries me for my family my children and just try and protect those designs of rest because we are an outgoing family so you almost got a time block the rest just to be together to get off to ask questions laugh without bloody tablets and technology ideally in the matter round tell me about it yeah we're very mindful of that and I don't need to be yeah I might feel very lucky that mine grew up before mobile phones were really prolific but now it's a wrong envy for that yeah it's really challenging and what about your husband I mean you've obviously got a loving relationship with him will it appears like that for I have a very proud of our relationship I have that obviously takes work and communication genuine honest communication has that been easy always no of course it hasn't always been easy I think relationships are inevitably going to be challenging but there's a remarkable difference in our relationship now versus when I was a perfectionist and I'm going to be really open and share that we've always had a good relationship but as a perfectionist when I look back on how I was it was always my way or the highway unfortunately that shows up a lot in perfectionism that binary black and white thinking that is you know my way must be the right way I expected human to have exactly the same opinions values as I did which is totally unrealistic and this is the problem with perfectionists they are very unrealistic and therefore there was no flex and I think I was probably quite difficult at times I've got a very patient husband thank goodness anyway now growth mindset has become kind of an area of expertise for me I've really worked on obviously losing the perfectionism through the coaching and and asking better questions to my husband and we kind of have reached this point of much more compromise and understanding and I'm really respect he has a very different model of the world to me we're a classic case of opposites attract and it really works well and I think it's that respect that I have more so now than I did in the past where I'd probably didn't expect his point of view as much because I thought I was right but the blink is an hour off and it's something we are continually investing and want to work on because I know that our marriage is the foundation for the children yes I actually just did an Instagram post today speaking to mum saying don't neglect your partner your connection not only is it great for both of you and we all need connection and romance but it's what sets the scene for your children it creates the right environment for your children to thrive so why aren't we giving our partners enough attention and also I think it's quite important to openly communicate in front of the children absolutely because often it's when they've gone to bed you actually sit down and then then talk about things true whereas I think when you show that you are a team you're working together to create a safe home for your children not only does it help the two of you but it also gives your children license to ask better questions of you absolutely and I definitely don't want them to think that mummy and daddy have got this perfect relationship you know that was the quest in the parcels of perfectionist I wanted to be the perfect mum to be perceived that with the perfect relationship now I think it's so healthy to show them oh mummy and daddy just disagreed with this but look we've sorted it out because mummy said sorry or whatever and it's much more transparent and I think it's really healthy for children to understand that mistakes and differences are part of life you know I think it's really important I know I grew up in a loving home but it wasn't tactilely loving it was very sensible we had fun as well I never ever saw my parents argue ever they never disagreeed on anything they were united front and they have appeared to have this perfect relationship which they did pretty much I'll be honest and especially later on after we'd gone it was a lot easier for them this perfectionism in my life came from me needing to impress them but also making mistakes because we were bright and because my dad always gave us enough information to prevent us ever making a silly mistake silly mistakes were suddenly bad things to make yes and that's so dangerous moving forward isn't it you know the fear of making an error rather no owning up to it I would lie point blank because I became very sort of deceptive the fear of being told off it was easier to lie because you had a 50% chance of getting away with it yeah you told the truth you knew you're gonna get told off I mean it's bonkers isn't it yeah I know I can really relate to that as well I mean my mum's wonderful um but she was a bit of perfectionist to be honest and it was definitely um it was I definitely got a lot of praise for getting A stars and A's and being top of the class and yeah mistakes were definitely frowned upon I would say not so much now but back then that was the case and therefore there was this fear shame and blame around them which I know from experience was very detrimental in later life you know that's where this kind of breakdown stem from to be quite honest and I just wasn't able to be vulnerable and now I am vulnerable I'm very comfortable being vulnerable now it's taking a lot of crap to still work but god goodness is it driving more connection being more authentic being more real takes that weight off my shoulders that I have to be the best and be perfect to everything this the way it's lifted now but you know people need a lot of self-work to be able to get to that point and that's what I want for everyone is the chance to be able to learn that skill set because it's a real game changer in how you can enjoy life when you don't have those pressures anymore the weight off your shoulders it's huge isn't it and you don't even know you're trying to find with you yeah it's absolutely debilitating for some people yeah and high performers are also much more likely to develop an eating disorder or disordered eating habits problems that dieting trying to maintain a good body image that was my problem have you ever found yourself on a dieting roundabout or critical of your body oh of course dieting roundabout yes before I knew what I knew now I was a classic crash dieter black and white all to nothing I was I was a very much an all-on-nothing person growing up and perfectionism plays into that you know if I decided to go to the gym it needs to be seven days a week right how realistic what if I was going to do a diet had to be you know an extreme diet I didn't manage to survive well or thrive in the in the gray area in the middle ground and now absolutely I'm a believer that everything in moderation you know eat healthfully over 80% of the time 20% treats is all right now and again you know that's my mentality now so yes I've definitely been critical of how I've seen my body in the past because I was perfectionist course I was I only saw the flaws and there were lots of them and the other thing with perfectionism Hannah of course is comparison oh yes yeah they're so much prettier than me they look they've got better bodies than me I mean look at what the young people are exposed to now in terms of social media it's just a whole world of unrealistic perfection lives of perfection bodies of perfection it's not real but they're care impairing themselves to billions of people around the globe now not just the classmates at school it's really worrying isn't it it is and the abuse they get online as well from exposing their imperfections yes and of course high achievers it makes sense that high achievers would suffer the more likely to suffer from an eating disorder because again high achievement high achievers often do have a level of perfectionism and I think that would usually I don't know if you would agree or disagree play a part in an eating disorder a high level of control when you feel out of control what kind of control you can control food is one of them yes yeah and I know that any anyone with an eating disorder in the past that I've helped I don't do I don't work in that arena anymore but in the past it was because they had shallow foundations they didn't have high self-esteem they had loads of unhelpful beliefs that they had to be perfect it'll be the best or and once you can deepen the foundations the building stands taller again and you can't have the same perfectionists or obsessive or black and white thinking that was leading or creating to that eating disorder so these are fascinating subjects and it's so brilliant what you're doing for people Hannah I know you're excellent what you do you've got two young daughters yes a very perfectionist because obviously for perfectionism had an effect are you really working to make sure they're not perfectionisms yeah well yeah well done great question that is yes I do I try to what's the word overcompensate yeah I try to send them down the other direction so for example I will announce whenever I make a mistake I'll acknowledge when they make mistakes so that's good because you've learned something but yes I still see perfectionism showing up in the children probably less likely that they're copying me these days because I don't think I portray it as much at all these days but what I find interesting is something I said about earlier the good girl syndrome still exists these days girls want to do well in general they want to please their teacher they want to please their parents and they are very proud when they get a gold star or whatever as they should be right they should be but I still see it in my daughter like Millie for example if she can't play a piano piece straight away which is totally unrealistic to play a piano piece straight away without practice she you know she chucks the book oh I can't do it and I have to really work on it's normal I'm glad you find it hard Millie this means that you're gonna get better but I have to I have to coach her so much so I think it's common kids are binary they are until a certain age I can't remember the age but they're very black and white and they're thinking the girls especially can have that good girl syndrome because that's a societal pressure that is still there I know it's not as bad necessarily as it used to be but it's still there so I have to keep ironing out ironing out ironing out and I try to reward them for progress not necessarily the best result or the the art piece of art that won in the class I try to say look how much better your maths has got which is a weaker subject for one of them look how much better you've got maths you've got six out of ten instead of four rather than oh you got 10 out 10 again on your art yeah and that challenges parents so if I was coaching parents I'd be teaching in that and that's it's very easy to praise the thing they good at I think they good at but it's a dangerous game I was very aware that I lied my mum could always tell when I lied by the way but raising my kids for telling the truth especially when it was an accident yes that was fantastic there was one time I'd left the baby on the middle of the bed with my toddler bad parent bad parent and I have brushed my teeth or something suddenly there's a scream in the room the babies still in the middle of the bed hiding and there's mine I don't know probably two toddler sort of looking slightly concerned so I just went really calmly asked him which is surprising for me because you know what happened here he just calmly told me and I said thank you so much for telling me the truth because something really bad could have happened and that wouldn't mean I'd have to do how brilliant and he's always been honest love that Hannah you're encouraging authenticity aren't you by being just being honest I think that is so brilliant praising praising that and I try to do exactly the same in my kids now is the one that admits has been a bit deviant in the past and I really do praise her when she tells me even if it's like really bad she's done I'm like thank you for telling me what you what you learned from that and I don't ever get annoyed when she's told me because you know we need to respect that honestly don't we we don't want to raise in authentic kids because that is where the into sort of stem from really it's the pretense it's the pressure of trying to be someone you aren't yes so anything that I can do to encourage authenticity and my children I will try to do completely well done for you it's funny isn't it we either end up like our parents or we did the opposite that's no true we forget how much we influence our children and I was always very aware of my eating habits because obviously while the kids were young I had millennia on and off just about in control but never completely in control and I was determined they wouldn't be affected and how ever hard you try of course your children are affected they noticed everything yeah they do they pick up on your energy they pick up on the slightest little things things that we're just numb to as we get older and we're in the middle middle of our hustle bustle especially if we're trying to protect a behavior we don't like from society let's put it that way absolutely what we do inevitably my daughter has had some effects not needing disorder but there are other things that I think yeah that was probably me but hey no one's perfect no you are always doing your best that everyone's doing the best with the resources they've got anything that's been learned can be unlearned that's the very empowering point that I think we both make into our audience isn't it like absolutely these behaviors can be unlearned even if you have to have something unhelpful on your kids you get the right help and they can unlearn it for sure no doubt that if there is negative behavior it's normally driven by an unmet need if you actually drill down deeply bad behavior good behavior it's an unmet need that they're trying to compensate for so it's getting to the root cause of the problem rather than the symptoms which is what we're so good at in the western world got I couldn't agree in all with that exactly yeah let's put the fire out in the first place let's get to the root cause and then we're gonna have to fire fight you know intensively all the time day in day out do we so yeah I agree with you and mindset as well have you got anything else you'd like to add about mindset Anna just to reinforce how important it is to continually work on it you take it everywhere you're gonna take it into old age you take it to work take it to the kitchen take it to the bedroom you take it everywhere you take it when you look in the mirror you take it everywhere so why the heck are we not as a nation or as a globe spending more time working and investing on our mindset yes we might do some physical fitness but mental fitness is just as important it really is if not more so we need both really don't we but it's super important it gets neglected don't neglect it give yourself space be kind yourself and praise yourself for one thing you've done well every day that's what I recommend and get the affirmation off the back of that I love that and tomorrow's a new day new slate start again yeah hundred hundred percent exactly forgive yourself expect the mistakes that's my other bit of advice expect it in fact ask yourself when did you last make one because if you're not making them then you're not at your comfort zone you know this is my growth mindset passion coming through have you made enough for mistakes recently because if you haven't you're not learning anything go try something new push your boundaries a little bit yeah what's Elon Musk that said fail fast learn to fail fast and enjoy it was yeah fail fast fail forward failure is a great thing I just I don't actually use the word failing very often because it's got very negative combinations isn't it but fail forwards yeah somebody else actually said you only learn from your failures just as you pointed out you don't learn finish here and said that I know that much your failures and your successes absolutely and when it comes to eating disorders it is tolerating the discomfort of being at your comfort zone that is going to build the coping skills required the problem is with eating disorders as you will know how there is people feel so out of control believe they can't cope and that's why they the high level of control kicks in and that's the big part of the problem but it's about developing the coping skills and resisting whatever that urge might be and praising yourself for this small bit of progress but get the right help you got get the right help it'll be the best investment you've ever made I'm sure I mean you must have delivered real transformation in your clients I love it and it's so much quicker than most people think well can you've got a predictable step-by-step guide on how they're going to achieve that of course I'm excited about the sense but people don't have that information they don't and they don't know it's possible either and you've got to have that certain understanding there's certain level of education you need before you believe it's possible what's you believe something's possible anything's possible of course it is and you know yeah Anna what I love about you is the clarity in the excitement that you have in your subject and the when you speak you always have a smile and a twinkle in your eyes oh a huge willingness to help and inspire other people which you do my god the first time I heard you speak I thought I've got to get near to her I love her I love her we are they're in for each other now which is great exactly are now if our listeners want to get in touch with you what's the best way to do that well you can email me Anna at 80.academy if you want to ask me any questions Anna at 80.academy follow me on instagram @annamozelekecoaching do reach out do connect I also want to link to you Anna Mozele MOS L-E-Y and I'll put the links in the podcast description and that's great thank you yeah so Anna what would you teach your younger self if you had one bit of advice and that's a great question isn't it I would teach my younger self that discomfort equals growth so when I feel I would say to my younger self when you feel discomfort and you're going to feel it loads in life you're going to feel it when you least expect it and you might even choose to feel a bit of discomfort if you're going for it and rolling the school play or whatever but when you feel it know that that is absolutely going to lead to growth even if it's not a nice feeling at the time you will learn from it and you all you will grow from it because that is the opposite of what I used to think this comfort was I was afraid of it I was afraid of the shame and blame that might come if I made a mistake so absolutely that's what I would say to my old self brilliant and laugh the fun bit they'll go on we're gonna make me do what is your most disliked food maybe the pet and is there a story behind why you don't like it gosh this is a really difficult one because I'm so open-minded about food I didn't used to like parsnips randomly but no joke I was really binary about parsnips I know why because lots of people like parsnips right and I like all foods in general but since ditching the perfectionism and getting more comfortable with being uncomfortable guess what I tried to parsnip again for the first time in 10 years and it was all right and then I've had a few since and I've had some really tasty ones so the binary view on food has gone and it was only with parsnips and now there's nothing I dislike so what is your favorite food then my death row meal would be if I was on the road my last meal I could ever have it is home cooked lasagna with loads of cheese burnt crispy around the edge and fat chips and salad they kind of know exactly what my favorite food is Hannah I love lasagna means to do it's hearty you know like doing the chips in the sauce well it's good I have lots of gender on top yeah I do love I love my food I really appreciate food but Anna thank you so much for being an incredible guest I've really enjoyed this and thanks for who I'm at the busy schedule you're so welcome it's been a really great chat I've really enjoyed it too and I look forward to seeing you soon for me too if you've enjoyed this episode please follow not just the podcast but this episode as well have a fantastic rest of your day thank you very much