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Prime Big Deal Days is here, which can lead to involuntary deal squeals, like the classic deal on a new blunder squeal. Safe Big This Prime Big Deal Days, on now. Hello, good evening. I'm welcome to the Talking Cup. This is the members area. It's a member show on this Monday, like the 7th of October. It's myself, Gav. It's Kev. We're going to have a look back at the weekends, football, and some breaking news today with regards to man CE, the Premier League and all that sort of mess. I'm going to say in advance, if a cuff and splitter and sneeze me way through, there's a apology or there's a welcome today. We're a mad head cult. So I'm just letting you know, in advance, I don't want any fucking people getting along going, "Oh, I couldn't hear and you were sneezing and I'll fuck off." Right? I'm doing me best. Kev, another eventful weekend of football, before we go on to the man CE stuff and that. But another eventful weekend of football, regards to results, players, everything else, you covered Liverpool straight after the game on Saturday. We covered Liverpool again last night and done a little bit looking forward. But I want to touch on some other clubs and if you're in the chat, try on whatever you want us to talk about and we can talk about that. Chris Brack wants us to knock the football on the head and just talk about Chris and biscuits. We'll see, we'll see. But Kev, I want to talk about your favourite pairs in the world from your favourite country in the world and that of course is Ang, Pasta Koglu and Sporse. And they go away to Brighton yesterday, they're tuning up after 24, which is minutes, 24 minutes and you're looking out, that could be a really good result of them. You know, Brighton, they're very, very decent and we're in 20 minutes of the second half, 24 minutes, I think the second half is down, 68 minutes, I think. They're three two down and they've lost the game and I don't need to look into this, I watched the game, I watched some of it and I had to look into this, Kev. And they talk about Sporse being Sporsey and, you know, all that sort of thing and that's the title of our show but what has this fell off to Kev? I don't know, look, I have to confess, I only watched the second half, I missed the first half, by all the counts and the first half, they're really good. Brendan Johnson is a live wire on the right, he's really quick, got his goal, I think he's some like four and four now, five and five or something like that, he's having a blinder of a season, Madison chipped him up one as well, they go in at a half time two now and I swear to God, it doesn't matter who the manager is, there's DNA in their club, no matter what they do, no matter what they throw at the wall, the Windyard Cup here and there. No, they won't, they have one answer, two thousand and nine, but I mean in their history, that's really the art, I'm not a guest, the two thousand and nine league cup was the last trophy they won the cup here, are you okay remember the 81, the 91, you know, I remember that thing, where do you remember, I can remember 91, when they beat Irish in the semi-foil, that's going, but I remember Ricky V as goal, well I can't because I was born 18 to you okay, but I can remember watching matter the day and I can remember watching that matter the day, that's how long I've been watching in and around watching Spurs and they're probably you look at them and it's like, there's almost kid brother, they're an inoffensive little club, they will try really hard, they'll have a Spurs way of playing that is open and attractive attacking football, produce some good players over the years, you know, some really, really good players, but they'll never be a serious club, they'll not, not with the way, I don't know what it is, I don't know if it is inability to set up a site to be ruthless or to manage the game within the 90 minutes and I think that's his biggest problem. That's where I'm going from, that's where I'm going from, right, Spurs go out there yesterday, right, and don't come around, you go to your last week, you win training, you know, either a Paul, Spurs are good, right, but you know, they're absolutely a Paul and they're down to 10 men for some of the game and stuff and you're looking and you're saying to yourself, you know, it's suit with them, they're lowing up suit with them, but when I look at their lowing up, right, and I'm just, it was a bit of a lowing up, it was what happened later, so they start with the back four of Adobe, Van der Van, Romero, and Parle, right, Parle, well I like actually, really like him, yeah, I'm convinced he's nothing but a wing back. Well, I don't think he's good defender. I think he's good, I think he's a good player, then you've bent the core, Kulesevski and Madison and then you've Johnson, Werner and Senanki, so fair enough, right, that's your team, right, they go tune it up, you know, they go tune it up, they're like, they're, they're really good, you know, when you look at it, when you look at the, you know, the shots they have away from them, it's tore in, they get just three on target, they've more passes, they've more successful pass, they've a higher pass success from succession, right, than Brighton, okay, but the big thing, and you've just, you've touched on it there, right, game management, Kulesev, right, so let me just run you through the game here from a sports point of view, so sports lose Adam Webster after about eight or nine minutes, Igor comes on, Brendan Johnson scores on 23, Igor gets booked on 24, James Madison scores on 27, right, and Brighton make a change of halfway, they bring a stupid, stupid man on for Cardioglu, okay, I left back, now this is where it gets interesting for me, now you have to remember, for me they have Benedict Kules is a decent player, they have Kulesevski who's a winner, in my opinion, and they have Madison who's an L10, right, he's not an A, he's not a fucking, anything, he's a 10, okay, that's your midfield, you have Werner who just can't play up front until he's playing on the left, you've Brendan Johnson, who has six and six, and someone says in the chat here actually, says Brendan Johnson, six and six, four to do it since Cain in 2009, yeah, fair enough, and you're down some like massive money signing up front, I've no issue with that, but then mint the scores on 48, rotor scores on 58, and well back scores on 66, and through all of this, sports the soil that he don't need to make a change, they don't need to make a substitution, I'm looking right here, they don't, I'm just quickly looking to see who these options were, right, so let me tell you who their options were, right, so on the bench for sports, you had sir, you'd presume, you'd more, them three commanders on stage, right, you've actually great, you've spent, you've dragged us in the centre back, you have Bergwell, the midfielder, and you've a lancier, who's in the tag, very, very young, right, but he brings on sir, he brings on bassoon and he brings on your man more, right, but the thing is Kev, right, he thinks, he thinks there's no reason to change this, but they've conceded a goal on 48, 58 and 66, you can see the three goals in 18 minutes, and he does nothing to change it, although he gets booked, kill the sex, he gets booked, right, brighten, make a couple changes, on 79 minutes, he brings on ease, presumably for Benton core, which is a straight swap, yeah, okay, and then he brings on Pepe sir for Team Oveno, Pepe sir, Pepe sir for me as a midfielder, I said to me, yeah, yeah, but the problem, the problem with this one, we put Pepe sir, he's presumed in there, we've all been 4-2-3-1, but he brought off, then they bring off Madison before he go, what I'm saying here is Kev, you're tuning it up, you're playing well, you're managing the game, you concede on 48, you concede on 58 and he still makes no changes, he still keeps going what they have, he goes 3-2 down, and then waits for the 14 minutes to make a straight change in Benton core, look, I'm not trying to tell the man how to do his job, right, but if that's me right, and we go 2-1 on 48, I'm saying to myself, don't react immediately, give it to 54, if you see managers doing it all the time, they have like, they're having loads of the ball, they've momentum, let's break this momentum, right, let's go 4-2-3-1, okay, so we're gonna have to whip one of these forwards off, so let's break this momentum, take team over and off, bring on and use Bismill, sit him in Bsoid, Benton core, Pocula Sefsky on one side, Brendan Johnson on the other, and Madison behind Solanky, right, and then if you feel like you're losing it a bit more, you take off and Madison and you bring on a pop-up exercise and you got a really solid tree in the field and you hold it for what you have, this guy, this guy makes a slope on 79, which is a straight change, a straight change, like it's, it's mad to watch Kev, and the one about your tactics and you want to be a hoyloy in the oven, Mickey Van Da Vinh is really fucking fast and the man Romero's massively overrated in my opinion, but Kev, when you're watching the game going on there, he literally goes 24 minutes of a second half that he can see a tree goals without making a single fucking change. When you go back to it, you look at that starting 11, all right, and you look at what's on the bench. Where you going, right now notorious for keeping the ball, they're very good footballs, football side, the bulk of that side have been together for a long time. On the wings, we're carrying the tournament I think is one of the best wingers in the league. Minta is having a blinder, he's rapid as anything, and because of his age, he doesn't care. You've got Danny Welbeck is a seasoned player now, Danny Welbeck has come into the twilight of his career, but so good. He's just knows his game inside out, and Rutter, I thought he was a flop at Leeds, you know, but at the end of the day, capable, nothing special. You like believer, you're really bad, yeah. But at the back, Veltman, the best million pound player I've seen in a long time, Adam Webster comes off, okay, loose dunk, experience, and Kajaloglu is very good fullback, and the guy they bring on at half time is better. So you know at half time as two players come down, okay, they're going to flood the left side. They're going to flood the left side. What do we have in the left side? Brendan Johnson, Kulisevsky, neither of them two can defend for Tavi, and Pedro Parra is not a defender, not in my eyes. Pedro Parra is a wingback who plays in a fight back, and he's very good going forward, brilliant going forward because he can go inside and outside, but he's a wingback. So you're flooding over that side, that change tactically had to be made, he should have been somewhere between the 48 and 58 minute, had to happen, had to come, and I'm not saying if you can see it on 48, you just go panic stations, break glass, bring this, I'm saying get beyond the goal, get a little bit settled, and I'm 54 if you go, right, 10 minutes is acceptable here, I'm whipping such and such off, and you explain to your player when he's coming off, listen, I'm pulling it off because I have to re-jig this, this is where I'm dealing. The danger should have been as soon as Brighton made a change, because they have to go for it, they're at home, they have to throw the kitchen sink at it, but the second they score, he should have been telling someone out to go out normal, and they should have been bringing them on within three or four minutes of that, but he doesn't censor, and that's what I think his problem is, it was a lack of sense and a care of, or is it sticking to his groans and just regardless of what the outcome is, I'm sticking to be groans, because I have a, and this is going to be the next question, has he dug too many holes for himself, as a, listen, I don't know, sports into them, but when I think of Ryan's parts of color, I think of, you know, we play this system, this is our way, we do this, we stick to it, you know, usually in the second season I win trophies, and they're like, what are you saying that for? You know, and in fairness to him, in fairness to him, he's saying that because he wins in the second season in Japan, he wins in the second season of Scotland, but you don't say that to the media of the Premier League because they will literally hang on to it and choke you with it for as long as he possibly fucking can, you know what I mean? And with actually, it's a stupidity, our pride, I think it's my pride, I think it's my pride, I don't think he's a stupid man, but not by any stretch of the imagination. I honestly, I think he's a good coach, there's no, you don't get to this level if you're not a good coach. He's the oldest manager in the Premier League, he's been around the block, he just hasn't done it on a European stage, but if to start around and say something as silly as that in the media, I always win something in my second season. Well, that's the caveat, that's the sort, that's the hill you're going to die on there. It's a 50/50 toss-off that you'll win something that's Celtic, you know, even when Celtic are in a bad role, you know, it's a 50/50 shot that you're going to win either a league or a cup, you know, but Japan having the notion, having the clue, but for Spurs, for the outlay of money that Dave pumped out, I mean, the thing is with Spurs, they're really well-run club money-wise, you know, financially they're in a really good footing, but they have started spending. You know, Romero went, they got Romero for good money, band event, good money. Udoggy, they got 18, 20 million, I think. Madison wasn't cheap, Kunisetsky wasn't cheap, Salanky big fee, it's all well and good, they got... Brandon Johnson was... Brandon Johnson was... Yeah, exactly. I mean, you got the Harry Kane money, but that only goes so far, and you end up then in Manchester United's way of looking at it. It's very easy to go out and spend loads of money, but it's very difficult to go out and spend loads of money really well. It's not like... It's not like... I don't... I'm not trying to say that Spurs look massively imbalanced. I think he had... That 11 does. That 11 does. That doesn't set in circumstance. But I think if you go into a game, Spurs go into a game against possibly six to eight teams in the league, at home, in particular. I think that one was fine, because you're going to dominate the ball. Other teams aren't going to be interested in the fucking, for the vast majority in playing true here. So you just... I hope you have physicality, if you have full backs, you're sent the backs, and you're defensive, if you're going to win the ball back, and then you play. But when you're watching that, when I'm watching that game, I'm saying to myself, "Lajus have to stop. There's something here." Like, when I'm a Spurs fan, I'm pulling me fucking hair out watching that game. I'm absolutely... I rate watching this, and I'm like, "What the fuck is going on?" Because I don't believe there isn't a Spurs fan out there, right? That wasn't watching that game, it's going to be like, "Please, for the love of God, bring it on, and take our fucking steam over here, or do something, get one of those attacking the fielders out in the middle of the pitcher, put them away and get another guy in there." Yeah. I'm in the midfield, and I don't care what... You got a nut in Forrest with that three in the midfield, and Morgan Gibbs White is going to have fun in games. Langer will have fun in games with that... With Madison, Kuleszewski, Petit- But I'm even thinking from a Liverpool point of the game... It's stupidity. I'm thinking from a Liverpool point of the game. I'm thinking of Sabo's low-running after him. I'm thinking of Graven Baird strapping the shoulder in the field, and just running through the middle of it. You know what I mean? And I know... And there's nothing making this happen. Look back to a DNA like you spoke of, of a track to football, open a track to football. But listen, that's like, you know what I'm saying, oh, we play the sports way, we play the West Ham way, and you're like, whichever. Liverpool's way was past and move, past and move, that's all gone. That's... That's football. That's romanticism from years ago. Liverpool had a way of playing the '70s, '80s, and the end of the early '90s where you did your past, your meal, your past, your meal. Football isn't like that anymore, okay? Football is mechanical. Football's all about forcing spaces, manipulating the areas that you know what I mean? You don't run a team to go all the past and move, and no one will track me. It just seems a very weird situation. And... On the flip side of all of that with Spurs, massive credit to Brighton, because they're nothing the best of a runner for him. New manager, really young guy as well. Yeah, he's 31 years of age. He's set this side up, is really, really well balanced. You've got your two wingers, you've got your two full battle, one will slip, one will go. You've got your centre mates who can join the attack, and you've got four two forwards who can link up. And they've got injury problems, you know what I mean? It's like, I'm looking at the bench, you have Tarrick Lamte on the bench, and Evan Ferguson on the bench. Never got on. Joe Padra was injured as well, isn't he? Exactly, yeah. He's got a stupid and command, and CISO, command, wafer, command, you know, they're a good side. It just goes to show to me that Possecogli went there with a complete lack of respect for what Brighton Cape people are doing, and the fact that he went there with Pappissar on the bench, you'd pursue him on the bench, and he didn't utilise them. Unless they're injured, unless they're carrying knocks, and that was the eleven, he was forced to... Yeah, I know, but he brings him on for like 10, 15 minutes. And what are you bringing those players on for actually, when you're three, two, down? Yeah. No, that's... I can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You bite the bullet down and you go, I've completely misread this, if you give them... If you give them the benefit of the deal to say these players are injured, but he still brings them on, right? Yeah. You should have brought them on before the second goal, right? But if you give them the benefit of the deal, you don't bring them on, and don't let you treat them down with 11 minutes to go. You simply don't. You turn around and you say, "Rae, I'm bringing on that little flamour, isn't that his name?" He's actually a really talented footballer, but you're saying to yourself, "What else can I bring on? Something up front, something to move around, anything?" But he's pursuing it as a goal, isn't going to run through a midfield, and score off you. You know, probably Sarah's going to walk so fucking hard, but that's what you needed on the 58 minutes, not 79, but that's the way it is. Milling on, quickly, I asked them to see, they both have home games, they both struggle a little bit. Fulham should have probably got something out of the city. Jesus Christ, it's the amateur, I completely agree. I know, yeah. If you could finish, you'd be fucking serious. I would be fucking sick. You've got Arsenal. You've got Arsenal that win, and to be honest with you, I wasn't here by the Arsenal women because I think Southampton's way of looking at this league is madness, and I think it's starting to become a trend. I think you've seen it from Sheffield, you know, it's going back, was not last season during the Premier League, was it? It was last season, and they just come up and when I spend any money, we're just going to fucking see what happens, and they get relegated, and they fuck off with their 100 million and they'll perish you payment, or whatever, and I think it's becoming a trend that thinks Southampton are doing the same, sticking to their guns, now they won't stay up, and they'll go off and try to come back. This weekend just gone, is the first win for a promoted side. All right. So far this season. Okay. That's, Leicester beating warm if one though, is the first win by any of the three sides of the camel. Seven games in. Seven games in. Only one game still. Yeah. One game. That's shot. And the thing is, I can apparently see what they're doing. They're coming up in their sense of why should we all overpress ourselves to possibly not go stay up. We can come up and get our money for the Premier League, spend a bit to improve, not embarrass ourselves, but with the oil, if we go back down, these guys will stay with us and get us back up, and then we can add on again. So they're doing really like a double payment, hopefully all over two seasons. And look, I recently went out and I'm surely commented to me about 24 minutes into that game in years. I'm watching Iceland here, and Southampton don't want to stay in this league. It's just the way the air see, get the win, but I think it's encouraging from anyone's point of view to see that Iceland see can be got a token Liverpool, by the way, before anybody says, oh, yeah, just talking about Liverpool, but then to win. But the other game that I want to talk about is the Villianite. It's nilal, it's out hard with Torjut. I think it's a mix of, you know, it's being united, and I think it's a, and then on top of that, a massive effort from village Jordan the week against Bayern Munich. And we know that Jordan the summer, they've kind of beefed up their squad because they know this champ is the exiles coming in tense, and maybe you just ran it out a bit, Steve, leave a couple of players out as well, again, and a couple of others, but the big talk and point of coming over care was, forget the results for the minute, the big talk and point of the moment was the fact that Townhag replaces the Litt and the Litt and the other fella, Matthew, with Johnny Evans and Harry Maguire, Jordan the week away, the portal. And it's like, these, these are having a fucking nightmare, bring these two boys on. He starts them. But then I have time, right? I was laughing at this, right? So Maguire starts and sold us Johnny Evans, right? And then I have time he brings on the Litt, anyway, for Harry Maguire, do you know what I mean? And Johnny Evans plays the whole 90, and it's a good game to be fair, it was an, it was an okay game, but I think the big talking with Camille is what's he doing there without Senna Haas, because you have to remember, Mattine as his son, the Litt is his son, Mazrui is his son, right? And he takes off Mazrui for the Litt, right? He takes him off, he brings on Lindelof then, he starts with them to a Senna back, and I've seen, you know, it fans saying, you know, he's trying to get himself sacked, nonsense, he's not going to get himself sacked. But what is, Cam, what's he trying to achieve here? I honestly have no clue. I mean, here's the thing, right? I watched the first half, and they dominated the ball, they did a lot better in the first half than I expected them to do, Villa were leggy as anything, they, for a site who were playing at home, given the result they had in midweek, I thought they'd be more up for it, but look, I guess we have to take into account how big of a result and a fixture and a nice, that was for the player. But at the same time, Mattine, I only watched the first half, I zoned out after what, because it was just boring. Well, someone says, yeah, Gavin wants it, they slept well after watching the Villarevers, you know, again, it was a great thing for anyone from from Insanley. I think I slept for about 20 minutes, 20 minutes to go, but it was the first half, they dominated the ball, but they can construct an attack up until the final third, once they got into the final third, they don't know what to do, correct, and they don't have a pattern of play or a set pattern of play that's muscle memory, correct, that they can, okay, if this is here, I need to be there, if the fullback is overlapping or underlapping, I have to tuck in on this side, or I have to make an overlapping run on the far side to get the ball in over the top. There is nothing, it's almost like we get up to here, and then Bruno Fernandez will do something, or Marcus will putt inside and do something. Yeah, because I said it from the start of the season, after watching them in pre-season, especially, they are a football team that don't want the football, unconvincing them. They would rather get to where 24 yards of villa is called, pass it to the villa center half, and in hope that the villa center half makes some sort of fucking cataclysmic mistake that lets them only have players to score. They have no patterns of play, they have no system to where we can get in around villa, we can get behind them, we play across them, we play around wherever it might be. They literally get the 40 yards from the goal, and then they go, what are we going to do now? And we've seen, and this is me making this up, I've seen Marcus Rashford face up, Trent Alexander Reynolds, at our old Trafford, run towards him, torn around and pass the ball back into the center circle. I've seen it with my own eyes, you know what I mean? I've seen so many times where they get forward and they just torn and play it back, and it actually ends up going back to the goalkeeper, who kicks it, and people are probably sick of hearing me saying this, but they literally end up back at the keeper, who kicks a day angling towards one of his full backs hoping they can win a flick on the underlying. They don't know what they're doing, they don't know what to do, and that's down to the manager half. Oh 100%, 100% is down to the manager, and the worst of it is, he showed when he was at Ix, that he was capable of producing and attacking football inside. I'm looking at that 11 there now, and this is mostly, you know, that 11, that's squad. Forging ahead together drives Colorado's pioneering spirit, at Chevron, we employ our neighbors to deliver the energy needed as the state's largest oil and natural gas producer. That's energy in progress, visit colorado dot chevron dot com. There's players there that should be gone, but at the same time, I was listening to something earlier on today, and the sense of entitlement, and it's horrible, you know, it's a horrible word to throw out there. Manchester United have had a really dominant decade and a half in my lifetime. There were shouting the 70s, there were shouting the 80s, they did nothing much in the 90s, and then it all clicked, it all came good, and for under Ferguson, they were brilliant. And every time you look back, it's like, we still haven't, you know, when Ferguson left, we still haven't filled the void, and it's like, no, it's, it goes inside, football goes in cycles, but I'm looking at what they've spent, and how much money, what their wage bill is, and I'm looking at the squad, and it's like, there is no quick fix in this. I don't care who your manager is, it doesn't matter whether it's Eric Tenhag, Tommy Tuco, the other guy from Germany, someone, if he wants to get, bring Javi in, you bring Javi Hernandez in, right? Look at that squad, can that squad play the way that Javi Hernandez is going to want to play? Not a chance on earth. Those players are on really good money now. There isn't a hope in hell they'll be able to get them out the door. If that law is on good money, there is no way in God's green earth they're getting him out the door until the end of his country. Yeah, McGuire was out the door until he wanted money, you know, until they had to pay him off. But the thing is, no, we can't afford to do it. And now he, now he's using McGuire as his way of trying to make a point to the lit and, and, and Martinez, and you see, you see, you talk about cycles, right? And if you take it as a Manchester United cycle, just in the last 12 months, just in the last 12 months, I've listened to Manchester United fans saying, you know, we've a lot of injuries, he's, he's one, two cups, you know, he hasn't got the players he wants, you know, and we, you know, we've heard this. This isn't me going. This isn't making this. No, no, no. We know. And you can go and very fucking prominent people bow on in the media and, you know, fan driven media have said all this, right? Yeah. They've said all this. And now it's like, so the big, the center half you signed in the summer that you chased all summer and you got, he's now being made a fucking e-job because he didn't have a good game in part of, right? So he's has to, but then he's brought on a half time for the guy you've replaced on me. Okay. So watch our full point. Right? That's the force that that, the looks of that is what the problem is, right? Then you look and you say to some, the big, the big thing like, um, you know, oh, we let, we dragged around too long and a guy, they didn't get started against Liverpool. Wait a minute. The guy hasn't got a minute of football in the last two years. He sat on the bench in the last two years. Right? He was meant to be the man. He was playing instead of him. Casamero and Erickson. Oh no. Yesterday was Erickson and Kobe made it. Yeah. And Casamero is getting on the pitch. Casamero, come on. This is Casamero. This is Casamero. This is Casamero. That was honking at all traffic against Liverpool to the point where he was taken out of a half time and fucked off with a ground. But he's getting on the pitch and I said, the guy that you, you chased all summer and you go on, but you go on about fitness in this time. You know what, man, the guy, the man, man, the guy is going off and playing for, for him. You're going, he'll go and play for you all to go and play really well. He played twice. So there's nothing about fitness that this to me, this to me is, this to me is, is a manager that somehow has stayed in the job, being backed yet again with 150 million plus I would reckon in the summer. Right. I think it's not nearly the 200 million. Clap, whatever, whatever walks away. It's time we throw a deal, got the money and yeah, but, but whatever he walks away. And now what he's doing, what he's doing is after being shy and needing two results to kind of prove himself and to turn it up and in part, all right, he's, he's really killed the center back. Two of them. Right? Because the standard Martinez doesn't get on the fucking pitch. Yes, on Saturday or Sunday, wherever they was on, right? He doesn't run the pitch. The lit is dropped and then brought on a half time. Has Ruiz taken off a Victor Lindelof, who they don't want at the fucking football club. Okay. You've got Manuel Agerti, who will play for Uruguay and has played at all traffic. He plays against sports, hasn't seen a minute of football in the last week, right? And he is, he is now sitting on the bench watching Christian fucking Erickson playing a tier with Kobe Maynell, who by the way, was on his arse against sports and the title he was over weeks. And he's watching Casa Miro come on the pitch before him. You've got, you've got Marcus Rashford getting off and making comments on the fucking bench, well, in truth, Marcus Rashford shouldn't be standing for Manchester United. You've got Hoyle in the front who got love and runs around and they don't know what the fucking deal. They've got a fella Ahmed, who's probably been that best performer and boy of man this season. And he can't get into fucking team. It's absolutely insane, Kev, what's going on. And when you break it down, like, when you break it down and you listen to, we've loads of injuries for him. Let the injuries clear up. All they're missing at the moment I think is Lenny Yorro. Lenny are on Luke Shaw, Luke Shaw, Luke Shaw, Luke Shaw, Luke Shaw, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? The only hell cares. Are we going to base our whole season on Luke Shaw's fitness here? Luke Shaw didn't, Luke Shaw didn't play football last year. Went to the fucking euros, right? Went to the euros and played for England and came back and hasn't been seen since. You know what I mean? And as a football club, we're Manchester United, turning around and saying, you're not going to the euros. You don't know football, you're not going. Mainly, it was out of the England squad today, I can't actually. But he plays yesterday after being injured against sports, right? It's Kev. Listen, it's nearly like they've empowered them to travel as much show you at a wall to see if anything sticks. And the big thing to come out of all this for me is Gary Neville, two or three weeks ago, when, sorry, wherever a minute of the week ago, whenever people went to our traffic and dismantled Manchester United. And it should have been six or seven, right? They go there. And Gary Neville says, Gary Neville says, and I quote, Derrick Tenhag is going to have to stumble across something in the next couple of weeks to turn this around because it's not going to combo design. Now, if that's what you think the old manager, Kev, there's no point in the main there, there's just no point. Kev's going to let it with the dog. And let me read out some comments over there. And Joe Delaney says, and waymo's value has skyrocketed this season. That man is on fire. Yeah, Brentford, by the way, just keep scarring goals. And I love the way the fact that when you tip off the force on these things, we're going to scar in a minute. I did love it. Fergie don't know for years, took the best players now to the top four and continued to grow a bigger gap from the rest of the practice dinner. Correct. But Ferguson, the thing with Ferguson is Ferguson could adapt to what he was trying to do. Fergie's going to adapt game on game. Look at any interview with Alex Ferguson and talk about going to Anfield. He never, ever, ever went to Anfield and said, we're going to go in there and we're going to fucking show no respect to Liverpool and we're going to fucking run all over him. He never done that. He went to Anfield and he went, what are they going to this? I'm going to nullify it. What are we going to this when we're going to make sure that we nullify that while pushing all our energy on what we're going to and we're scrapping him, we're scrapping him. Eric Tenhag, Eric Tenhag, from me, is a liability to Manchester City. He's an absolute not a liability and not only that, his bullshit has spread to a certain extent to the players. I'm not saying that all just because of Eric Tenhag, they're not very good. I think they've been not very good for a couple of managers, but honest to God, he's standing that storyline. That's what I look him. That goalkeeper's standing there. The players in the manager are going like that. He's blaming him. He's blaming him. Everyone is just blaming each other and it's always an excuse. As Ruby signs and he's being taken off a victim in the left, the lead gets dropped for Johnny Evans. Martinez gets dropped for Harry Maguire. Martinez doesn't get off the bench. The lead comes on then for Harry Maguire. It's absolutely mad with her. It's crazy. When you look at it, he has now two of the top three. I think he's the top two worst starts to a Premier League season for Manchester City. Him, on his own. On his own, yeah. You got to look at the other side of it, right? You sack him. How are you selling that squad to a manager who's good enough to take them on? Because you look at Villa. You look at that squad, no, that 11 of the Villa put out. And in fairness, there's no world superstars there. Emmy Martinez is a top quality keeper. Matty Cash. I'll tell you what you do. Didn't you? I'll tell you what you do. If a manager takes over there tomorrow, regardless who the manager is, you turn around and listen, this is the deal, right? We are going through a complete another reset here. Default, a fucking restart of factory sense, right? And what we're going to do is we're going to 100% guarantee you three years. One million percent we're going to guarantee you three years. And any money you get off said to these players, that's what we're going to use to rebuild this squad. We may touch it up a little bit during the summer, but we are not going to 100 million in the summer where we're showing all these players over, right? Now, I take your point who fucking takes them, where do you get money? People, boy players, trust me, people, a fucking boy player, you see it all the time. There's never a player left without a fucking football club, especially if they're playing for the looks of Manchester, they all get milfs, right? But what needs to happen here is Manchester, you need to turn around and go, we are fucking desperate. We're terrible. We are gone. What we're going to do is this manager's coming in. We don't know if we're going to make top four, top six, top eight, top fucking 10, turn around to the FA club, forward round the FA club, the FA club, Europe, anything. We are not guaranteeing fuck all, but what we're going to, the only guarantee we're going to make is we are going in here and expectations have to be dropped. This manager has to be given time and we're going to back them to the fucking hilt, right? Back them to the hilt and if they, because two reasons, one, they spend too much fucking money for the round goes, right? And two, because they deal with that, players are loyal enough to walk into that fucking ground and go, I'll take all that money, I'll turn the fourth year deal, that fucking idiot over there, be gone in 18 months, the guy that comes in won't want me and I'll say, here, no problem, I'm not leaving without me money, they need, it's, and the, the banging on about the structure and the fucking people above them and any ass and all this, listen, any ass have done nothing fucking different to what the glazers have done. They're literally nothing different, they've, they've stuck with a manager for too long, they've spent too fucking much money on them and there's no difference. The only difference is, is any ass's name is behind the nail, instead of the glazers, which is nonsense, because any ass on the own 24% of the football club, the glazers are literally using, using on this front man. It's, it's honestly, I don't understand, I don't understand what you're saying, it definitely just doesn't go, listen, tear all fucking down and start building again, because it's, that's what should be your process mentally to do that, than to go through the shit that you're going through at the moment. That's what should happen, but the reality of it is, they're going to be suffering massive penalty clauses in their corporate sponsorships, if they don't qualify for Europe again. Their ability to be able to spend is going to be seriously harmed, if they can't qualify for the Champions League or, yeah, no, forget the Europa League, because Europa League is a hindrance, and they're talking about, they need a new stadium, they need, they want the government to pay for this new stadium, and they need to get, the dead wood that's at the club gone, they're refusing to swallow any of the pain for that, hence why Harry Maguire, Victor Lindlof, Luke Shaw, and so on, are still at the club. So as long as that is the equation, they're refusing to help themselves, it's a perpetual cycle that's just going to keep repeating and repeating and repeating until eventually those players are out of contract, all the while you're signing the players like you're Leni Ora, and bringing in Kobe Manu, and you have a mad and more heavy up, but if you're bringing them into a culture like they have now, they're screwed from the start, because they're never going to learn anything the right way. Someone was sitting there and the Liverpool was with Klopp when Klopp came in, one of the first things he did in his first 18 months, figured out who needed to go, got them gone, and then started bringing in players, and he didn't get it all right at the start, but you could tell from day one that there was a plan in place, who fated, who didn't, and what the idea was at the endgame, they have no concept of what an endgame advantage to the United looks at. It's so far off in the distance, down the cliff. But it's all the flexion Kev, this stayed himself, like where you're talking about that? Is this your way of fucking going, look at this brand new stadium over here, and maybe we get the government to help us build up, why would the government build up here? You're going to be Manchester, they're going to be housed there all year per, well, three months of the fucking year of even that, right? And you want us to fucking build it, your only own, say in the middle of the land here, like, you don't know Manchester, you can't come up and go, listen, we've all this land if you've wanted, they don't have it, they have fucking all traffic, and this whole, but this is the thing, they look, they look at the looks of sports, and much bigger thing, Arsenal, when Arsenal spent all the money on the Emirates, it took them four, six, seven years to get back to, you know, even cable money was, you know, you can build that stadium, they can build that stadium, but they're going to have to take it here, and they're going to have to take it here financially, if it was me, I'd say, no, let's tell you what to do, we just fix the fucking roof, right? We just fucking, let's spend four years, but let's spend four years million on the stadium, let's spend four years in stages, but Kev, Kev, but they, but listen, we do it in stages, we keep the stadium open, why can't they just run around and go, on the 25th of May next year, when the season's over, we're going to close down all traffic, and the only work that's going to go on on that stadium is the pitch to keep it right, and the roof, and the bits around it, and the fucking, wherever the fucking looks out there, we're going to update it, they made a massive deal, they're doing a new tunnel there six weeks ago, but what I'm saying is, why are they, instead of looking and going, here's the issues, what can we do with the sartum, what time do we need to sartum, that the tunnel, I'm going, yeah, that's all I'll show you over there, by the way, but we've a new tunnel, doesn't look great, and we're going to fucking build this new stadium, that looks like a fucking dishwasher tablet, it's, but Kev, listen, look, but they know, but they know, they know that they're still going to generate revenue, so they're fine, but they know their audience, they know their audience, Kev, and their audience are people that will turn around and go, we're getting a new stadium, we're still going to have 100,000, and yours will only have 60,000 and we're going, yeah, but we're fucking winning games every week and you're not, yeah, but local ultra effort is going to be great, Kev, if you had to be a league title, I'd fucking, I wouldn't give a fuck about his playing around field, I'll print and fucking pack, right, who gives a fuck, do you know what I mean? And the problem, the problem here is is that, when you talk about this, you know, every second post is about any of us doing this, and they're doing this really, and they're doing that really, and then, on the stadium, and I'm going to go, yeah, but the team centre has that, that ones, you call it the butcher for some weird fucking reason, he must sell sausages, and the other one that you saw and you chased all summer, are being dropped for Harry McGowan, Johnny Evans, that, can we please talk about that? Can we talk about it? They can't talk about what's on the pitch, they can't talk about what's on the pitch, because it's, I'm looking at it, it's the same 11 that was put out last year, bar the right back, nothing has changed. It's, it's, I just, I know, I know this, I know this show was going to be in taking over a little bit by chat around, sporting chat around, you know, but what does the whole idea of the memory show around the leg and stuff like that? But I just, I honestly, I just can't, I just can't get me head around. How do you think there's a walk, like, if you go back to the, if you go back to the orange of this, he's out the door, he wins an FA Cup against a Manchester City side where a Bismill under there, like a Bismill, you know, you get two D's and goals and that's it, right? And he's out the door and they go and talk to probably a half dozen managers and they can't get them to come on board and you'll wonder why, like, if you can't, if you, if you're haven't deserved it, pick and merci over Manchester, you know, there's a fucking issue, you have to look at it, right? And I just, before we, we, we, we move on, within the game, within football, you know yourself, that within the foot, within the management circle, within agents, they all talk, players talk, yeah, I'd love a penny for their thoughts on what's really, what they really think of what's going on there because there's, there must be offering really good money to manage Manchester United. It is still a huge club, it's still a prestigious job. If someone could go in there and get it right, you're set for life as being one of the top managers in the world, you will be ranked up there with the likes of Angelotti and everyone else. If you turn Manchester United around and get winning, if you, if you're made, if, if manager A tones up our all travel tomorrow and has an identical eight or nine years that your club has at Liverpool. Yeah, mate, but 100% 100% because I know, I know all skill Manchester United fans and they just went because they enjoyed it. There's no enjoyment in any more like they win 12, but they enjoyed it. They enjoy going to watch Manchester United. You're made if you do that. But the problem here, the problem is, Kev, right? We are sitting here with a monstrous football club, right? They are literally pulling out. So Jim Radcliffe as a front man for the Glazers, nothing has changed. They've a manager that's now spent not at a 600 million quid and he's literally left with fucking Ajax players that couldn't get games in other fucking countries. That's what you're left with. You're left where America's right for it. They showed me at the club probably two or three years. You're left with Christian Ericsson, God love him. He's agent. He shouldn't be having to be asked to run it to me on my midfield. You've got Kobe Mainly who's being played into the fucking grounds because of what everything else is around them. You know what I mean? It's, and you can talk stadiums and you can talk of big D.N. The money they have and the attraction they are. But at the bare bones of the Kev, this is monstrous, you know, with this fella in charge, doing this on the fucking pitch and continuously, continuously making these decisions. If the Danny Balls, they would have torn around the element, fair play to the FA Cup, but we don't feel this is going to work. We've gone off and we've got manager fucking ABC and he's coming in and we're going to give him that fucking money. We're going to give him that money and we're going to draw up a plan. But look at the Kev. Kev, who's torn down Manchester United? Why are you torn down the Manchester United? Well, they're nearly promising you 200 million quid. That's all. It's crazy. That's why I look at it. The people who are working within the game must know how much of a shit show it is behind the scenes. The dressing rooms, we hear bits and bobs about what comes out of the dressing room. The fact that, look, the players, that dressing room is sacked, plenty of managers over the years. And there's plenty in there guilty of it, downing tools. There's no, I don't think there's no work rate in there. There's no initiative, there's no ingenuity. There's nothing in there that sparks and says, "Yeah, no matter what happens, I can hang my head, my hat on this guy, when we're in the trenches, this guy is the one I can hang my hat on, and he will drag us through it." No. Not a single one. No, because there's too many players there. Every time you go up as a level. There's too many players there across multiple managers that had set in and they just go, "Oh, here's another fucking fella in the door, and this is fucking another contract, whatever that's right." But the funny thing is, I'm well of the belief that if you bring in a policy at Manchester, that they don't spend over $25 million on any individual player for the next 10 silence, they could actually tone that club around for a net of about 200 million quid. I scroll back to looking at that villa line of Ollie Watkins, Rogers, Bailey, Bartlett, Tillamans. I have never heard of the guy who played on the wing. No idea how he is. I'm sad that Aston Villa should finish in the top four if they can manage their way through Europe. They have spent peanuts in comparison to what Manchester United have done, the difference is the manager and the dugout. If you look at this action, what have you, but I tell you what, he is a proper coach, he's a proper manager. But if you look at, I honestly think that they need to do a policy where they go, let every agent out there, we want a player, we're not paying over $24 million for them, and we're not giving a fella over $150 grand a week on top of that, by the way. That's it. And what we're going to do is, until we get rid of these players over here, we feel you could take seven out of that squad, bring seven in, and I reckon you could probably deal for around $120 million quid. We're reducing our wage bill. There's no way you can't do that. If you have seven players at $30 million, that's $154 million, I think, right? Yeah, $155 million, $40 million. And then you sell seven at $15 million ago. Yeah? Yeah. That's $105 million. So $40 million or $50 million, you can actually turn over seven players in that squad that can change the whole level of hungry players, coming in, looking to get the next contract over Manchester United, where they get 200 to 250 grand because they're actually doing the job. But they refuse to do it. They continue to keep players that fucking waffle on it with them every fucking week. And then the manager as well, it's, listen, listen to it. There don't know if they're in such a big chat about them, but it, but again, I said they've done no favors either by their ex players in the media, not coming out and rapping the match United blanket around the squad and insulating them. The idea that Gary Neville was short, turn up in his podcast and turn around and say, I think matches United will finish above Liverpool this season based on the strength of war. It's the same in field. I'm nothing. It's the same in field? No, he's, he's letting his heart rule his head. Of course, yes. But they're not helped. No, they're done a disastrous job with them. Yeah. But look, I didn't mean that to turn into a fucking half an hour of matches in the book, but it is a big talk point. It is a big talk point. Anyway, just quickly before we go, because I want to get out of here, because I'm not well. This stuff to come out today, we're regards to the Premier League, Man's CE. You know, I've seen Man's CE fans rejoice and we beat the Premier League. We're going to see them. We've seen Newcastle fans following this up. We're going to spend big now. Man's CE have turned over the Premier League and, you know, it's hilarious because Newcastle before they had this, before Saudi Arabia on them. We're probably looking at the CE going, this is fucking desperate, what's going on. But now, you know, principles and stuff don't matter. But both saw it seem to be claiming a bit of victory here. The rules that are in place are considered unlawful. OK, so it's not like it's going to be ripped asunder and staring at it again. I don't think that's the case. I think what's going to happen here is that there has to be slight adjustments to Howard's process to make it lawful, right? So it's not like we want to get 500 million off it. He had no, no, you can't have that. Oh, well, that's unlawful. I don't think that's the way it's going to be, right? Actually, he's going to type it or put in the statement from the Premier League, now on the second person. I'll read it. But Kev, again, you know, certain parts of media store in this up as man city have taken down the Premier League, you know, and then interest-free loans from clubs that never have to be paid back. And that's an issue. And Arsenal could be in trouble blah, blah, blah, blah. It feels a bit like someone's blown this up where it's, could last week they decided not to vote on these rules at the Premier League mean because, obviously, there was a- It's just coming. This was common. But like the Premier League says, the Premier League welcomes the tribunal's findings, which endorsed overall objectives, framework and decision-making of the APT system. The tribunal held upheld the need for the APT system as a whole and rejected the majority of Manchester City's challenges. Yeah. So you'd never have got that from the statement of Manchester City put out earlier at the start of all of this. Ultimately, from what my reading of all of this is, there is two aspects of- Oh, sorry, I'll just finish. I'll just finish. The tribunal did, the tribunal, sorry, actually, just try them in here. The tribunal did, however, identify as non-number of discrete elements of the rules which do not, in their current farm, comply with competition on public law requirements. These elements can quickly and effectively be amended by the League and clubs. Yeah. Whether the clubs and the League will actually vote to do that is another question because by all accounts, the clubs that stood as witness for- provided witness statements for Man City today were Chelsea and Newcastle. By all accounts, Liverpool, Manchester, United, Spurs, Arsenal, Bournemouth, West Ham, others were all on the opposite side. Apparently, it's just two or three amendments need to be made to the current setup to close off some of these loopholes. You cannot have a situation where shareholders of a football club can arbitrarily loan the football club, interest free, whatever amount and money they want, under never, never, and no date that it has to be paid back. That cannot happen. That cannot be allowed. Apparently Arsenal, I don't know the ins and out of this, but apparently Arsenal could be in trouble if this start, by the way, actually adds that Everton, where one of the soids that stood alongside Manchester City in this as well, which is fucking- The people of the club. No, honestly, these people can't be that fucking stupid. They cannot be that- Listen, Everton as a football club, when they were going to be- They were a billionaire owners, and they were going to be all this, and they were going to be all that. Then, all of a sudden, the Premier League have stopped us from becoming the next Man City. Then, when they actually walked out the German machinery as a gobshire, and was fucking tromboney around, all banks are newsmen off, and then they realise, fuck, we're in trouble, we're getting points to the auction, and the forced words out of the melt was, but what about Man City? What about all the stuff they've done, and they're getting not fucking done to them, and we're getting points taken off, and everything they're now going, yeah, we actually agree with Man City. Are they after fucking bracket, or what? Do you know what I mean? But, Kev, listen, when it comes down to this, first of all, people need to remember, this has nothing to do with the 115 charges that they would see. What's the argument here is, is that, if they want to get a sponsorship deal through an affiliate of the owner of the football club, they should be allowed to. That's not allowed, right? Because what can happen is, it's not allowed, Kev. What can happen is, the guy from Abu Dhabi turns around and says, right, grand, I am Man City, and I own Eddie Hat. So, what I'm going to do is, I have 500 million bone in a hole in me, fucking under me mattress here, I'm going to pour the true Eddie Hat to sponsor Manchester City. The fair and the fair America valuiting still stands, right? That's one of their problems. That's one of the problems that the city has. Yeah, but the fair America, listen, Man City claimed to end the moment winning the World of Football, nonsense, right? But anyway, Man City can't turn around tomorrow and go, ram-a-jig get a 100 million quid off. I think Emirates might actually sponsor Ram-a-jig, Emirates still, right? Yeah, when they used to. Right? So, say for Emirates, take it to Emirates, right? They can't turn around and go, ram-a-jig get a 100 million quid. They're the biggest club in the world, right? But we're getting 300 million because we make more money than that. How much more money do you make? And, well, the cardboard counts, we probably make about 20 million a year more. So, that five-year deal, you end 100 million more than ram-a-jig over four years, but you think you're going to end three times where ram-a-jig is short from, I think. There is a fair American value, but Kev, there is small amendments to be made here. It's not going to be a case of Newcastle to turn around and go, that's it. We can spend wherever we want. It's simply not that. No, it's not. Look, I mean, from what I can gather with this is you've got a situation now where Man City, basically, from what my reading of it, Man City wanted information from the Premier League's black book. The Premier League have a data book of what commercial deals are done because all of the clubs have to submit what a deal is over a certain value. So, they know, but what Man City wanted is access to that. There is no way in God's Earth, the early world, that you could have much of the city allowed to know the ins and outs of Liverpool's kit sponsors deal, or Liverpool's or Manchester United's stadium deals or anything like that. There has to be some kind of secrecy involved in these deals, but that's one of the avenues that the Premier League are going to have to work around. But ultimately, the Premier League is seen as like, okay, you bring your deal to us, we'll decide if it's fair market value or not. But Man City's argument is, well, how do we know what fair market value is? And that's where the two bridges have to be able to work out a deal. And it is kind of fair, because it's all well and good for... I've no problem with the Premier League, haven't it? Haven't it show why? It's not... I've no issue with that. This isn't the case of the Premier League are all fucking conquering, and it's fair from it. What I'm saying is that you can't have the owner of Man City or the owner of Newcastle, they're a little bit of sentimental money in, they're a little over three years period, they're a little bit of sentimental money in, but you can't have them torn around going on your own company's A, B and C. And then next of all, A, B and C come along and go, we're going to sponsor you a billion quid over the next five years between the two vehicles. You can't have that care. That won't be allowed. That won't be allowed. Have that, because that's not sponsorship care. That's literally your owner just finding a tore party to put them on your trail. And the best thing... The best thing... The best thing... The other interest among charity care is the interest for your loans. Because what's happening there is that, I think when teams get an injection of money through an interest, no interest loan, there has to be structure to it. So, if I are Liverpool, let's take the book, because I've always mentioned... The same people, people who have spoken lose that right. But same people take a hundred million loan off FSD, or an affiliate of FSD. What's meant to happen there is, for you to service your books properly, you have to tell them, listen, we've got a hundred million over 10 years, our 4% APR, this is what we're going to pay back, and this one goes into our books every year as an expense, right? Okay. And that goes against what you're allowed to spend. But if you're in there going, there's no time frame of that 200 million. So, what we're going to, our 100 million, what we're going to do is, we're not going to put it in the books this year, right? We're not going to put it in the books, yeah? We are going to put it in as all 200 million, yeah? And next year, we're going to say, we owe 200 million, right? That's how much we're getting in. So, either way, if you have no structure on that, you can actually get away with, you know, declaring what you're all, or what you're paying out on that, to get me. Because it's a never-ending title. Yeah, you can have that. You can say there's 200 million, how many years are you paying that over 200? Yeah, it's, you know, can you imagine walking? Can you imagine walking and thinking, God, yeah, I'd like an interest-free loan, please, for how much, 100 grand, when you're going to pay us back, sometime now, maybe later. Yeah, I'm just back eventually. But the thing is, Kev, if I go and take a loan, right? If we're on a company, I take a loan over 100 grand, when it comes to the end of the end of the financial year, all you have to declare, what are you all? I'm what I'm paying on that, right? I have to declare what I'm paying on that, because the reason being is because if we're in 100 grand this year, right, I know it's 100 round and go, well, I'm not paying all the tax on that 100 grand, why not? Well, I'm paying out this loan, that would go against what I'm hearing, and you're not the sort of way, that goes against that. But if you're fucking just pushing it down the road, yeah, you can just keep claiming that you're paying for that every fucking year for the next rest of your life. And in turn, you're not paying tax, you're not paying whatever. Apparently, I understand the name has been strongly the mix for this, because shareholders and others have put in tax-free or interest-free loans, and they're not booking that. So, it's a bit of- We'll see where it goes, but I mean, I know that we've borrowed money from FSD to build certain sections of FSD, especially with the overspend that we had on the last bill, to get it finished. But you see, areas are interest-free loans, but they're over a certain amount of time, and they're not actually interest-free, well, the areas that FSD don't want anything more than the $10 million back. But inflation dictates that if that goes up 0.24%, if you're paying FSD $50,000 or $100,000 a month, you're now paying them $104,000 a month, or whatever it might be, right? And we won't get the percentages right now. But that's inflation dictates. So, it's interesting, but I still think there's way too much to be made of this. Like, this is the choice when it comes with- It's exactly. And it's like an AGM comes along, and they go, "Any other business?" Yeah, well, listen, you know, I've run the fucking- I buy all the equipment for the office there, and, you know, I'm kind of spending 100 quid a month on Staples, and I'm only getting 80 quid back. And what's the story? And they go, "What the fuck are you doing on 100 quidboard to Staples?" Well, that's how many we need. Okay, well, listen, we're going to have to close that off, and we're going to put a limit on the Staples, and everyone knows where to stand. That's basically what it is. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, pretty much. But in fairness, you just have to hope that cases like this- And there is a win in there from entity, no doubt about it. You just hope that this isn't something that- I know it doesn't affect 115 charges. It's nothing to do with it. It's completely separate case, completely different time frame. But if they were able to find the loopholes in that, then you wonder how many loopholes there could have been in the old rules. Absolutely. Absolutely, maybe so. But you have to remember, right? You have to remember. This isn't about me or Nancy, or the Premier League, going, "I don't agree with what you said there, and well, I think this- What's actually that being charged with is you puffed up money into that club, you didn't." Yeah. Yeah. And you wouldn't comply, and you wouldn't help yourself. So many of the charges about them is avoidance. Yeah, avoidance and information. Yeah, it's completely, it's completely madness. Everything in the world, shape of them all, 450 million in debt to their creditors, 777 and others. And the problem there is, is that if somebody comes in and gives them a loan and says, pay off that loan, and then you can pay me whenever you want, that's where there's an issue. You need, there has to be a structure on what you're paying back so it can go into your accounts every year and reflect exactly where you are. You wonder how- Not just taking it down the line. You wonder how much a case like this today might affect the sale of Everton going forward. If that happened- Well, it's still not. It's, it's, no, but it's, um, apparently it's not far off. It's- Well, it has to be done, it has to be done with the force in November. Yeah, from- According to the- I think the party told you the November. Yeah, according to the part I was listening to the finance guys, David basically said, "This guy put 200 million in to Everton, and then it looked like he was walking away, and their argument was, you do not put 200 million into a football club and walk away. They're in it for the long haul. They're, they're not going to- Yeah, but you see- Yeah, you have to remember, you have to remember, they put 200 millions in that football club. I wanted the 200 million deal. It took the hold of MSP. You were another creditor, really. It took the hold from them where they couldn't claim a share in shares and they couldn't claim 50% of the stadium. So what they done there was, they went in and they went, "There's 200 million. We'll make XML back at the very least." Right? But if we ever do want to go back in the boiler club, we don't have to worry about another party laying claim to that stadium on that debt. Yeah, that's vital for whoever comes into it. And look, and I hope that somebody does come into buy them. You know, I- Well, they will, they will get bought. But the problem, the biggest problem they have at the moment is, is that they literally have an owner there. If he comes in with a total November, he has 30 days to assess and then he has 30 days to actually make a difference to the football club or else they're going down. Yeah, they're- I mean, they're getting- I watched the game at the weekend. I watched bits of us and I reckon he might be able to string enough points to fight relegation, whether he's got enough in there to stay up as another matter. It depends on how bad somebody others are. Well, sir, time to let go of them and if they're going down. It's just one of those where can everything be forward from them? Yeah, can everything be the fourth worst side in the league? Yeah, yeah. And that's what it is. And he has 30 days to affect that. That's all he has. Yeah, it's massive. And dude, he does you throw the money at it. Because if he throws 40 or 50 million at it in January to try to get the memo and it doesn't work, he has a championship club that has 450 million quid and death, plus 50 million these spent in the summer. And they're not getting all that back because the players will fuck off in the overnight. But that's a story for another day. I must get there if they only have to have a chat about him. Yeah, that'd be fantastic. I've really enjoyed that, Kev. Yeah, it was good, quite a bit. It was okay about where every good with the league. Who's- I mean, just before we go, who's- has there been a soy this season so far that you got didn't expect that? No, I think this league is going to take in shape coin the quickly. Yeah, that's- I think Barra probably wolves on Palace, seeing them down there. I think it's taking shape. When you look at the looks of Brentford and Matt, but they always are. When you look at Baumath, they'll win one week, they'll lose the next. You look at Spores, we've spoken about them. You know, it's where they are. But when you look at it, I'm surprised Chelsea have taken up that many points because it's hard to wear an absolute mess. But your mama rescue seems to be constantly talking about how camera is when the football club literally like he's hoping that someone doesn't start to fire under or set for it or for consuming that football club because it's well known that the two owners knock it and I'm richer. And that could blow a brand into it. I actually says Fulham. I'm forest. Yeah, in fairness, forests are being very- Forest, yeah. They're a bit of a basket case, but they seem to be settling down there into a more settled, sort of, sort of, coin and order. And you'll get that from Spirit of Santo. You'll get it and they'll get to a certain level. And maybe that certain level is where Forest kind of tried to be. Forest is maybe a good show, but overall, when I look at the themes, the coin, the bare couple, the coin, the where they taught it to be. You know what I mean? That's what we're talking about. I thought the Fulham Man City game was really interesting because for the first time in a while, you saw a side that just when that city would pace. And I think the fact they're missing Rodry this season, it's early, still early in the season, and the players still are fit and there's still plenty of energy there. But I think this has got to be a huge test for Pep Guardiola this season. It could be his last season as well, but I think this is going to be, yeah, this is going to be his biggest test. If he's to win the league this season without Rodry with that squad, unless they invest in January, it'll be a massive achievement because that squad does have issues. I've said that since Rodry was confirmed over the season, they make ours a heavy favor to this. There are no excuses. They have all the tools there. They have all the tools there to win it. I agree. I think the situations for Armancy with the 150 in charge is the maturity of Pep Guardiola's future. Rodry, that mix there, I think we'll live up here, you know, I think we'll put the squad as good as Arsenal's. But I think this squad has been on Arsenal for over eight years and now he's absolutely betting on what he wants to be doing. He's weird, but he's betting on what he wants doing. He's gone. He's bought as many centre backs as he possibly could to make them as solid as he possibly can and hopes to rest. The only thing is he might have run them into the ground a little bit with the likes of soccer, man and Ellie Hayes, who's isn't around enough. And if you get a couple of midfield injuries that they've had, we're all together, I think he's struggling a little bit. I think one more on top of that. But overall, with the situations, all the clubs are in, where do you find them? They're off the back. And what they've done over the last couple of seasons, I actually have to be favored to the title. And does that go? They were in favor of the last year, they were in favor of the year before and they didn't get it on. Did they load a Troyer on it? Or did they want? And I always say it. I always say it. I think, I actually think, I think Arsenal might prefer Mansey to run them this season, because I have a feeling that Liverpool will get into Arsenal's head very fucking quickly in this Premier League season, because Arsenal feel like an emotional wreck every fucking game. And Liverpool do a bit of a 2014-14 on it, where we just go, "This is the fucking business, isn't it?" And we just go off having the best at what happens, and whatever happens happens, and we just roll it away and see where we get to. Now, we don't want to be there in like that in the years time. We want to be in, you know, start of October next year going, we're a well-established soy and now we've added one or two, we know everyone knows how we play, bum, bum, bum, bum. But right now, I think... We're figuring ourselves out. We're figuring ourselves out, but it might be a little bit of an advantage to us. I honestly definitely have the advantage with the fact that Rodriguez, their closest competitors, see, have lost their most influential player, in my opinion, and their second most influential player isn't getting on the pitch enough. I just think, I'd love to say it, because look, I said it before. If Liverpool don't win the league and there's anyone on Mansey up there, I want the anyone to win. I've always said that, right? I mean, but I'd love to see Torlin in the February match and Liverpool and Arsenal going at it, because I'd just have a feeling we'd have to crack and they would have the four competitors. Gavin Scissor and I brought a chase, just them being chased. They'll bottle it every year. They've topped being chased. They've improved season on season, but the improved season on season with the team in the back of that morning, that it's Mansey. I wonder if they were to get five, seven, eight points clear to see how they would go, I think, to be fine. But I think if you throw Liverpool into that mix, Liverpool are a different beast. They're a different beast. They're a little bit like, and people will come back and go, "Well, they didn't win against Mansey." But Mansey would take anyone but Liverpool chasing, because they know Liverpool would just keep going and have the crack. It's interesting, but I wouldn't worry anything after this season. I think there's holes in everybody, and it's just whoever can cover them up the best. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, how much can we go? Well, Gerald Kwanzaa contracts. Yeah, it looks like it's done, but that's done, apparently, and Canate next one along the road. Yeah, and that's going to lead to, oh, look, we're getting these two tied down, because the other fella's not fucking signing on. Apparently, the Kwanzaa deal, they started talking to Kwanzaa in June. Yeah. So it's not as if, like, oh, look, he's doing really well. He's in the first He's squad here, signed that bit of paper there, by the way. Yeah. These deals take time. I do think it's getting to the stage, though, where it's getting too late to get a positive ability. I think this international break. No, I honestly, apparently, was quite with the saying, we hope to have some news on those contracts. I think you need to have an international break. No, I don't know if that actually happened, but I read that somewhere. I doubt it did, to be honest. I think either way, a decision should be made public. Look, a decision will come, but I think that decision needs to come for the club to know. We don't need to know, but the club need to know whatever decision, whatever way the wind is blowing by November, because they need to start planning it for January. Yeah, 100%. Right. Let's get out of here. We are meant to do 48 minutes. We've now done an hour and 12, of course, we've all got to have. We will have shows during the week. We're juggling fucking balls at the minute, as to what we're going to do with the shows this week. We are waiting on somebody to send us 50 questions. So Emma can ask me and I fell out from Leish. Was it Leish, Limerick? Both. Both. We're going to try and get him on, and we're going to see if we can get to those questions. We are going to do something along the lines of a little bit of a mid-time report on Liverpool throughout this week as well, and then we'll have some random stuff as well, as you know. But thanks for being there, for watching. Thanks for being members and continuing to support us. 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