The Killer B's: Joel Blank & Jeremy Branham
10/07 Hour 1 - Texans Proved They Belong in the Upper Echelon of the NFL!
[dramatic music] - A killer beast! - ESPN 97.5 and 92.5 probably present. The killer beast. - It's definitely a fan of the killer beast. - Don't sweat technique. Now from a Veritex community bank studios, bring you the fastest three hours in Houston sports radio. Here's Joel Blank and Jeremy Branham. ♪ Ooh, what a mix down ♪ ♪ Hey, how we doin'? ♪ - He's Blank, I'm Branham. It is Brian behind the glass. It is a Monday edition of the killer beast on ESPN 97.5 and ESPN 92.5. It is a victory Monday, another victory Monday. These texts, man, they don't lose. Four in one, they're three in O at home. The text is just continuing to roll, Blankers. - I love it. I'm surprised that more people in Houston are happy about it, I would say. But I love the fact that this team is sitting four in one after five games. And I actually love the fact that they aren't playing perfect football across the board because if you still have more improvements to make, it means you can still get better, yet you're still sitting at a four in one record. And I think that says something about this team. - I was thinking, like everybody's talking about how, you know, the texts still haven't played their best. They still haven't played their perfect game, all of that. How often in the NFL do you play a perfect game? How often? How many times a year does it happen? Where from kickoff to the final horn, you're like, that was perfection. That was Texan's football. That's what we're all about. That's why we didn't make a single mistake the entire, that was perfection. How many times does that happen over the season? - Yeah, I don't think it happens for an entire game. - One, maybe, not like, you know, you're gonna make mistakes even in a perfect game. But in terms of like the perception of whenever you leave a game and you win by 20, you're like, that's Texan's football. That's the Texan's playing up to their potential. That's what we expect to see. How many times does that actually happen over the course of a full NFL regular season? - A couple of times, yeah. Maybe the Browns play off to read if you would say that. - I was gonna say one or two. - I was gonna say three or four. - Okay, so somewhere in that range of one to four times. And it probably depends on the team. Like you're certainly not saying if you're the Carolina Panthers almost ever. And if you're a really good team, maybe you have really lofty expectations. Like the Chiefs last year won the Super Bowl. They had the second best defense in the NFL. Their offense didn't live up to expectations. Do you think Kansas City one time last year said, oh yeah, we played a perfect game? - No, because most of the first half of the season, they were struggling and there was fingers being pointed all over the place about them being far less than what people had rated them. I think the opponent matters too. I think a lot of times people are gonna be highly critical when you play a lesser than team, no matter how you play. And even if you play well, you're supposed to do that 'cause they're not very good. But then you beat a team like Buffalo and say, yeah, you know, but, and there's a lot, but Buffalo is the damn good football team and we saw early in the season now, everybody was changing their tune and thinking the Bills were one of those teams that were still gonna compete for a Super Bowl. Now you beat the Bills and they're like, yeah, but, you know, they lost the Ravens last week and they got guys out. Everybody does. - Not for me though. Like I don't, they didn't, I mean, I think Shakira's their best receiver and they lacked some punch in the receiver room yesterday. I guess all bunch of people, wow, this is why the Buffalo Bills needed Stefan Dix, come on. I don't think that yesterday's issue is that they didn't have an upper echelon receiver. I think it was that Josh Allen wasn't very good and there's a reason that he wasn't very good. They were without Ed Oliver who might be their best defensive player. Go Cougs. And I don't say that as a homer. He might be their best defensive player. So yes, they miss some people, but the Texans were without some people too. And like it's the NFL. So I'm not making the excuses of, oh, well, no, the Texans are not upper echelon yet because they beat, you know, a wounded Buffalo team. I'm on the other side of it. I do think that the Houston Texans are an upper echelon team in the NFL. Do I think that they're on par with the Chiefs? No. Do I think they're on par with the Baltimore Ravens? No. But do I think they're a top five team in the NFL would I would consider upper echelon? I do. And I didn't feel that way before yesterday's game. But you beat Buffalo. Yes, so wounded Buffalo, but you're wounded too. In my opinion, the Texans are officially, in my opinion. And it doesn't even really matter. This isn't tangible. You're not going to the postseason and be like, well, everybody's opinion, we're upper echelon. So we must win. Like it's why you play the games. But in my opinion, and I think that it should be in everybody's opinion, that the Texans did prove yesterday that they do belong in the upper echelon of the NFL. I think you're absolutely right. And I think part of that is also because of the fact as much as we didn't know what we didn't know about the Texans and we're still finding that out based on everything that they did in the off season, you didn't know what you didn't know about a lot of other football teams too, where we thought the San Francisco 49ers and I thought the Philadelphia Eagles were going to be the cream of the crop in the NFC. I didn't think the minute I didn't pencil the Vikings into my scorecard as being the best team in the NFC and the best team in their division and a playoff team based on what I saw and who was playing quarterback. So I think that they've slid down the chart quite a ways for me until they prove otherwise. And the Texans, because of the fact that even when they've played poorly, they found a way to win. And when it really matters, they've constructed drives and gotten key points to where I think that they are in that top handful of teams in the NFL, regardless of if they peaked or not and what the other circumstances may be. That was my biggest takeaway from the game yesterday is that the Texans do belong. Whether you think that they were close to perfection, whether you think that they beat a wounded Buffalo team, in my opinion, they prove that they belong in the upper echelon of the NFL. What they did to Josh Allen yesterday, how many teams do that? And yes, I'm not the biggest Josh Allen guy, but Josh Allen puts up numbers. Josh Allen wins a bunch of games. Josh Allen can single-handedly beat teams. Josh Allen will have 300 total yards on you like it's nobody's business. And the Houston Texans did to Josh Allen, a top five quarterback in the NFL, something that hasn't been done in modern NFL history. So yes, like tip your cap to the Houston Texans defense. Tip your cap to Demico Ryan's. There was a lot of bad that happened in yesterday's game. And like, I think that happens over the course of every NFL game and we'll get to that because we do not ignore in victory what you wouldn't defeat. We couldn't miss the opportunity to bang on the Texans, but they prove that they belong in the conversation with some of the best teams in the NFL. Are they the best team? No. Are they a top two team in the AFC? I'm not there right now. But in my opinion, they're upper echelon in the NFL and they proved it because they'd be Buffalo yesterday. - Here's the other thing too, Jeremy. When we talk about the three phases of the game, you don't have to be perfect for the entire game, but you gotta be close to it when it matters. Like with less than two minutes to go in the game or when you need a score before the end of the half or the end of a football game. And what we've seen so far this year is when you give the Texans an opportunity to win with some time on the clock, they execute. When you think about, well, you know, what went wrong for the Buffalo Bills? And you're right, you're right. What they did to Josh Allen, they drove him nuts all day long. This was the leading candidate in all of the NFL for MVP after four games of the regular season. And you had him spinning around trying to figure out what he couldn't do to try and gain some kind of yardage. When you look at the special teams and the fact that your punter pinned them inside the five when he absolutely had to, your defense did their job. And then with minimal time on the clock, they once again proved they can get you where you need to go to get points when you absolutely have to have them and can't afford a mistake. Those are the kind of things to say, well, you don't have to be perfect in all three phases for the entire game. But when it matters, especially when you're down and we've seen it in multiple games this year, they do what they need to do. - I think part of it's the CJ Stroud effect a bit, but you can make the case that yesterday in the final minute of the game, Stroud didn't have to do a whole lot. And you could point the finger at Stroud a little bit on that intentional grounding. Now, I don't really put that on Stroud. Like that was an awful play call. We'll get into that and do not ignore in victory, what you wouldn't, in defeat. But yes, they've won close games. Now, some people will look at that the other way and be like, well, they're winning a lot of close games. They got blown out in the game that they lost. Maybe this is a lucky team. I don't know if I would go that far because the Texans have proven even last year that they're winning those close games. I think that it has something to do with CJ Stroud. I think it has something to do with the mentality of the Texans that they can close out of the good games and or the winning games, the close games. And you brought up an interesting point. Like all of those areas, the Texans had to be really good in the final minute in three areas after the intentional grounding. Tommy Townsend pinned the bills back at the three and Townsend, it wasn't great yesterday prior to that. And Townsend really hasn't been all that good this year, but Townsend, a Texan, when they needed him, pinned the bills at the three yard line. The defense was really good all day yesterday, but they forced the three and out. Josh Allen was throwing date against the Texans on first and second down. The Texans were up for it. A couple of incompletions, three incompletions, they get the football back. Robert Woods, who I thought was mostly good. He had a couple of questionable decisions in punt return, like trying to catch the ball inside the five yard line, not once, but twice, an amazing return. Like, and he understood the moment too. Catches the ball, beeline right up the middle of the field, not dancing, isn't going laterally, makes the catch, gets it up the field as quickly as possible. And the offensive play wasn't much, but the presence of mine that I need to be quick, we have to get a few yards here, take the quick timeout, and then Kaimi Fairbairne was able to knock in the game winner. So like, those areas, especially towns and especially woods, and then the offense, which was sputtering in the entire second half, they were not good in the second half, or the entire game yesterday at times, yet in that final minute, all three of those phases came up huge. - Yeah, no doubt, and that's the thing too. Even the offensive play call at the time, it had several different options, but they were all focused on one, get the yards, but also we had one timeout in our back pocket, we have to use it, we have to get down quickly, no matter where it is. So he had the options, the middle of the field opened up, you get it, you catch it, you get down, you call the timeout, you manage the clock correctly, you had the timeout you needed, you're punting, you're kicking, you're defense, everything fell into play when you absolutely had to have it, and it's not the first time we've seen it all year, we've seen it at the end of the first half several times. More importantly, we saw it in the Jacksonville game, we saw it when you need to do it at the end of football games too, and you're right, that factors into the CJ shroud effect, which is, yeah, he made a bad throw, and yeah, we could talk about some of the throws that weren't perfect or things that, you know, maybe they did get a little lucky on, but overall, when you gotta have a guy at the helm that is in complete control, that can control his emotions, that knows where the ball needs to go, more times than not, he's shown you, he's that guy. - Yeah, he's got the clutch team, like he has the it factor, people kind of don't love hearing that, I think most people like hearing it, you have a very vocal minority that like, oh, you're over rating them, I don't think so, like turn on the film, CJ shroud's doing some incredible things on the football field. Even in the second half, even in the second half in which he had two turnovers and the offensive sputtering and the offense had trouble scoring, like he is creating and making plays out of nothing. The guy's good, the guy's really good. Would you make it the bills decision, 32 seconds, after Tommy Townsend pinned him down at the three yard line, a lot of people are losing their minds about Sean McDermott's decision there. - Yeah, he's even owning it, but I think, you know, at that point in the game, that's a tough situation because I guess you believe when you have Josh Allen too, that you're gonna try and get it down into field goal range, but when it doesn't go your way right away, I think your primary thing is I'm on the road, I'll take a chance at overtime, rather than making a mistake, you know, pin back against my own goal line, and I thought that they would run some clock. I thought that they would end up trying a running play. I would thought they would challenge the Texans to start burning some time outs, but they didn't. I was extremely amazed at how much time didn't run off the clock, and even still, I was like, well, do they have enough time, and you mentioned Woods, Woods made a hell of a play, just to keep time on the clock enough to get the one, you know, quick down on a play and get it down in time to save a second or two, but yeah, I was a little surprised in the way they called the final three plays. - I think that he's getting too much blame for that, and I ran a social experiment on Twitter today, and I put the scenario, same exact scenario, do you trust CJ Stroud in this moment? And 75% were like, yeah, let CJ Stroud try to score in that spot. I probably do, like I probably let CJ Stroud in that same moment see what I got. Now, I don't love the Pascal on first down. I probably run it first down, kind of a heat check, or a very high percentage passing play, maybe a screen, although that's a little problematic, so close to the end zone. I probably run a heat check play there, and then see where I'm at after first down. - Like pad yourself to prevent the safety, and then see if I get some good positive yards, now I can do some. - Plus, I also like the idea of kind of deceiving the defense where it's like, okay, we're gonna run the ball here on first down, maybe we get three or four yards, and then the defense is like, they're probably gonna take a time out. Demico's gonna take a time out in that spot. Okay, they think we're running the ball. All of a sudden you're passing out of a run look, you're even running a little play action. I don't mind McDermott and the Bills being aggressive with a top five quarterback, because look, if the game goes to overtime, you might be at the mercy of a coin. If CJ Stroud was in that same spot, I want the Texans to be aggressive there and try to get into Kaimi Fairberry and Filgo arrange. So I thought McDermott's taking too much heat for that. I don't love the play call on first down the most. I thought I thought the defensive play by the Buffalo Bills and the final offensive play for the Texans after they got the ball back, after the woods punt return, just ahead of the Kaimi Fairberry and Filgo. What were they doing? Like they dropped the 11 men. They dropped the 11 men. - They just saved you way back. - They're like, here you go, you're just in an automatic five yards and then we're gonna take the time out. I thought that that was the bigger crime than being aggressive on the offensive end. If you have CJ Stroud, same exact situation. Your tie game, 32 seconds, you're at the three yard line. What are you doing with, if you're the Texans? If you have CJ Stroud. - I'm taking my chances. I'm living in Iowa CJ Stroud because we just got done talking about it. He's shown with just about that much time on the clock and you got a guy with a hell of a leg is a kicker too that's a weapon. Then if you just get a little bit past midfield, you have a chance. So you have the opportunity and as long as the play's open up for you, a play here, play there, then you need to do that because of the fact that you have a guy that's capable of moving it down the field quickly. - Yeah, if I'm a Bills fan today, I'm not mad that they're like, here you go, Josh Allen, go win us a football game. It's Josh Allen, like if you have a top three, top five quarterback in the NFL, isn't that what you're supposed to be doing? With a top three, top five quarterback? If I'm a Bills fan, I'm irritated with the final defensive play call and what I'm really irritated about, why don't they feed James Cookmore? Like it was obvious that the D'Amico Ryan's game plan, we're not going to let Josh Allen beat us. James Cook was pardoned the pun, cooking against the Houston Texans defense. If you give him the rock 25 times, I think the outcome's probably different. - Yeah, that's-- - Probably different. - My biggest takeaway, anti-textions, right from the jump was the fact that we knew going in that Derek Henry, they had a hard time stopping Derek Henry in the run. What I saw right from the jump was, they had a hard time stopping anybody that runs the football and the other team and that Cook, even in that short pass game, look, they were at what third and 12, 15, 17, 18 yards, screen pass to Cook and he gets all of it and then some to where you're like, man, they can't stop him and they can't stop the run. That's going to be a problem. All right, 7-1-3-7-8-0 ESPN, busy show today. Don't ignore in victory what you wouldn't defeat. I believe, what do you believe? After the college football weekend, Mel Bag Monday, we get to game balls today as well. Now the baseball season is over. 7-1-3-7-8-0 ESPN, we'll get your thoughts on yesterday's win, 7-1-3-7-8-0-3-7-7-6. We're on the Twitch, Twitch.tv/espn97-5. We're on the YouTube at ESPN Houston, we're on the Twitter X, Blankers at Pac-Man Joel Bryan's at SAGP by BMAC. I'm at Jeremy Brano. We are the bees on ESPN 97-5 and ESPN 92-5. Guys, a moment for vanderford air, and you can go to vanderfordair.com and see all the services they offer. They can do your plumbing, repiping. They can do anything to do with your heating and your cooling systems, particularly your air conditioning and your HVAC. And that's what I'm here to talk to you about right now because they're the best in the business and they back up everything they do with exactly what you need when you're dealing with a company that provides services. They put everything in writing. They give you a written estimate. 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Break the call. - 10. - Yeah, I'm four. - 10. - What? - Come on. - I mean, at least they didn't say Houston, you don't have a problem with something like that. - No, that would not have him in his house, too. - How many national guys, though, are going clutch city with a Texans win? Maybe Nance? - For sure. - But he's from here, though. - I understand, thank you for that. - I know, that's my point, though. - Nance blaming where Jim Nance is from. Like, he's not a Houston Googer. - No, I'm making the point to give him credit. Ian, I mean, I can't even get the name out. - Iron's right. - Yeah, I mean, equal credit for a national guy who's not from here to get that reference in. I thought it was great. - You know the last time, I don't think that Iron Eagle was done in it. He hasn't done a Texans game this year, right? - I don't think this was the first one. - Yeah, it was the first one. - Pretty sure his first one. Do you know the last Houston game Iron Eagle called? - Was a college basketball game in the tournament? - Against Duke. I did have a good feeling with Iron Eagle on the mic. Did not have a good feeling. Iron Eagle, gentleman of a man, sweetheart of a man. Anytime he sees me, he comes up, "Hey, Jeremy, how you doing?" I think he cheats by reading the game notes. I don't think he knows my name by heart, but I am an Iron Eagle fan. I do think he's very good. I thought he, I thought it was a 10. I thought it was a 10 on the call. - Son got a cakewalk. - No doubt. - Son got the silver spoon and dictated his entire career. - No doubt about that. Kindly Fair Baron, the greatest Houston kicker of all time. Probably already was, but the debate is over. Not only because he made a 59 yard game winner as the buzzer expired, but he also broke Chris Brown's record for the most points in Houston Texans history. Kindly Fair Baron, the greatest kicker that has ever lived in the deep still blue, Liberty White and Battle Red. - Battle Red. - As one of the guys that was critical of the contract when he signed it because he became like a top five kicker in the league when Bill O'Brien gave him the extension. And I had questions about that. Not that it was more of an indication on his kicking as it was, I just don't know if you're gonna pay a kicker that much money. And you and I had the conversation. I think the reality for a lot of people was you saw what you were or couldn't be when you didn't have them a year ago. When you went through what it was like when he was hurt and you saw the options that weren't out there and the guys that the Amandolas of the world that you had to bring in to double cross your fingers and hope to God that kickers were making kicks from 49. And now you got a guy that 50 plus is basically automatic. He's missed one kick and he's drilling everything for you and has become a true offensive weapon for this team this season. - Yeah. - You gotta give him his flowers. - I think a lot, I would agree that he was overpaid whenever Bill O'Brien gave him the contract because Bill O'Brien was overpaying everybody. And I think that with him being probably overpaid at the time, it led to some resentment. Some resentment from the fan base to thinking that he was overrated. It's like the Kirk Cousins thing. I think Kirk Cousins overpaid, but I don't think he's overrated. I think he's rated pretty properly. Kaimi early on, I think he was overpaid, but I don't think that he was overrated. And I think he's improved tremendously too. I think he's a much better kicker now than he was under the Bill O'Brien era. So yeah, I mean, congratulations to Kaimi, making the field goal and also becoming the all-time point leader in Houston Texans history. So here are the two sides of the spectrum on the HR and P listener line. 713-780-ESPN, we'll collect your thoughts. 713-780-3776, 3283, so barely beating a winless Jacksonville team by four and an unhealthy Buffalo team by three is elite. Cool. I want to say elite, we set up a rational line. And then here's the contrasting text message that we got as well. It's the NFL, two exclamation points. You can lose any given Sunday. Every game is not going to be a blowout as long as it's a win, that's all that matters. So there are the two opposite ends of the spectrums. One, just win however you can get it in the NFL baby, just win baby, the other side of the spectrum. So barely beating a winless Jacksonville team and then an unhealthy Buffalo Bills team, you're not any good, you're not elite. - Yeah, I think that we always talk about the fact and I always say, look, the truth may be somewhere in the middle, but at the same time, you just have to be realistic about the fact that at the end of the day, if you play like just complete garbage for the most of the game, but you find a way to find a way and you win the game, you'll take that all day every day because as they always say how tough it is to win in the NFL, at the same time when you're trying to rate a team five weeks into the regular season, if they're capable of winning a Super Bowl, well, half of it is because you're trying to evaluate your team where they are at that point in the season. The other half of it is evaluating the rest of the league to figure out, hey, while they're doing that too, who looks like they can really play all facets of the game where they've got guys that really make them a team that you're gonna be reckoning with later in the year, especially in your own conference. And I think the combination of that is where you kind of lie in the middle going, yeah, there's still work to do for the Texans. Yeah, they haven't dominated like we thought they might be able to, but at the same time, four in one with a lot of shortcomings that people are pointing out is a damn good place to be as opposed to the Bengals, or we mentioned the Eagles and the Niners and the fact that they have been less than what expectations were. And even the Ravens who are now scratching and clawing, trying to get back because of the way they started, you didn't start that way. So that means something. - Yeah, I don't believe in the ugly win thing in the NFL. Really, nowhere. You win a ball game, that's the job. The job's to go one and O. It's not to go one and O against the spread. It's not to go one and O to public perception. They be Buffalo, they be Buffalo. They beat the Bills who were not professional on team. Where did the spread end up in this game yesterday? Wasn't it, wasn't it Texans are Bills minus one? - I think it was flip flopping throughout the week. - Oh, fine. - But I don't think it was any word. I think that the margin was always Texans minus one minus one and a half Buffalo minus one and a half. - One and a half Texans. - Okay, so they ended up Texans minus one and a half. Texans covered, they covered by twice that. So like the whole, well, you barely beat a Buffalo. Well, they were favored by one and a half, they won by three. Just saying, just saying. A seven one, our friends are main on Twitter. I think the fans aren't used to seeing a consistently successful team. The ebb and flow of their thoughts are too wild after wins and losses. I don't think that Texans fans are unique to that though. I think that's every NFL fan base. They won't look perfect all the time. Look for improvements on past bad habits instead of expecting perfection. I do think expecting perfection is not realistic in the NFL. In the NFL where the other teams are all really good, Jacksonville, Jacksonville won their first game yesterday. Jacksonville, when they play well, they're gonna win football games. There's not always gonna play well. You look around the NFL yesterday, like the Jets. The Jets entered the season about the same expectations as the Texans, right? Like best case scenario, maybe an AFC championship game, AFC divisional round team. The Jets are two and three. The Jets are two and three. They lost a Minnesota yesterday. You need to get blown out by Minnesota when you went there. The Bengals, one and four. You lose a home game against Baltimore. - That you went wild offensively. And a couple of weeks ago, you had your receiver saying, we're the team to beat in the AFC. And now you've gotten beaten so much that you have your quarterback coming out and saying, we're not an up-resual on team. - Yeah, then they're up. Yeah, he did. He's like, yeah, we're not that championship team. San Francisco, best team in the NFC. They're two and three now. They lost a home game to Arizona yesterday. But we're gonna complain about not being the Rams as well. - Yeah, I mean, the Seahawks, they get the Giants coming all the way from across the coast. They're the Giants win that game by nine. Now they did use the black field goal to extend the lead to nine. Whenever Seattle was going for the game time field goal, but you just win in the NFL. You just win in the NFL and you move on. Thank goodness they started better than the Astros couldn't take another bad start. That's true, that's a good point. - Yeah, and I mean, you look at a season ago when we were talking about the fact that the things that stuck with us, teams you were supposed to beat that you didn't beat, like the Jets, like the Falcons, like Carolina. Now we're sitting there and having people bitch about the fact that you didn't play your best football, but you beat the teams that either you were supposed to beat or you beat good teams, and that's not good enough. - Ocho, a friend of mine said the Texas defense has an innate ability to make opposing quarterbacks miss wide open receivers downfield. It can't stop laughing. Hell and miss some throws. Allen, miss some throws early was a first quarter. He had Mack Collins like loose down the left sideline over through him by like three yards. He missed Mack Collins on that final third down in the last series. He had him open over the middle of the field. - What was the deep ball? The deep ball was he threw it over the wrong shoulder and he threw it just a little too far. But yeah, I mean, again, we've seen the big plays. We saw the two in the Jacksonville game. We saw them in the Indianapolis game. There's no doubt that the opponents have had plenty of opportunities to capitalize on deep balls that they just didn't connect on. - I had the Texans three and two at this point. So the fact that they're four and one and winning close games, cool, they're four and one. They're four and one. I had them three and three this week. - They play it. - The Patriots. - I mean, it might be short handed in that game. - It might be short handed, but they're also might be making a switch to a rookie quarterback making his first start in their office his future. - It's always Bryce Young's first win. - Yeah. - I'm not going to bring that up. - I'm not going to bring that up. - First time you get to hit this drop. - Sassy. - You're being a little sassy right now. - It's facts. - I made the point to say the Texans should quote unquote asterisks, whatever, get to five and one, which would exceed, I think almost everyone's expectations. - I had them at six. - Yeah, you did. - You had them at six. - You had them at six. - And then you what? - But that still could happen too. But I'm just saying, I felt confident in the early part of this schedule. But I also didn't think that the one loss was going to be against the Minnesota team that I didn't think was very good. - You also had them winning nine games and some of them got to tam it in minus one. And I'm still not falling off of that either to the point being, you're supposed to beat these teams that everybody looks at on schedule and says, oh, you're supposed to beat them. But then it's style points with everybody. Like you beat them, but did you really play good football? Did you do this well enough for that well enough? Well, then that strikes against you. No, you won the football game. - You know what the great Kelvin Samson says about ugly wins. - Do they complain about Miss USA's bunion on her toe? - Do that? - No. - You don't even know? - No, unless she wears open tote shoes. - Seven, one, three, seven, eight, zero ESP. What other thoughts do you have from this? And we'll take your thoughts. A blanker's a lot of admiration for a certain defensive player. It is the B's on ESPN 97.5 at ESP and 92.5. - ESPN 97.5. (rock music) (rock music) - You are back with a killer B's on ESPN 97.5 and 92.5. Live from the Veritex Community Bank Studios. Here's Joel Blanken, Jeremy Branham. - Ocho has no chill. When Nico went down, was I the only person thinking how sweet he would be to have another speedy, big-bodied go-to receiver for Shroud, like Brian Thomas Jr. (laughing) Ocho, always Brian Thomas Jr. - Boy, he loves Brian Thomas Jr. - You see how catchy he had yesterday though? - Oh yeah. - That guy's good. I think Ocho nailed that one though, if I'm being honest. - In terms of just talent about? Yeah. - Yeah, zero nine seven nine, Josh has been overrated along with Joe in Cincinnati. Burrow overrated. I'm not gonna go there. You know I think-- - Burrow was really good, yeah. - Yeah, he was. He's had a really dang good career when he's healthy. You could say the injury pro in this thing can't trust him, but whatever he's playing, Joe Burrow's been, he's been him, Joe Burrow's been him? - Yeah, no question. - Now you know how I feel about Josh Allen, so like I've been banging that drum for a long time. - Now, in looking at it and understanding the fact that, look, a lot of why he gets a lot of the love that he gets to is because he does it with more than just his arm, he does it with his legs, he has to wait. But I think that this season, I don't think there's any denying the start that he got off to. But again, that's kind of why you should give the text in some flowers too, and the fact that it wasn't just, you can't just say, well, Josh Allen had a bad day. Well, why did he have a bad day? Because of the fact that he was feeling pressure and that the defense that he was seeing was different than maybe he had seen all season long with some guys that maybe played at a different level than some of the teams that he played. - Yeah, I would agree with that. 7-1-3-7-8-0 ESPN. Let's go out to the HRMP listener line, landing on the east side. What's up, landed? - Hey, what's up, guys? Hey, just clown talking about the hurt and not all healthy ghost team. It's the NFL, middle of the season. Nobody's healthy. The chances are healthy. Nobody's healthy. Have you watched this game before? - It's a good point. - Get out of the couch. Go back to Dallas with the rest of the homos, I'm out. - Okay. - What did he say? Can you not say that word? - No, I cannot say that on my mind. - You dumped him, but Lane is still on the line. You can't say that on the air? - No. - It's 2024. - No. - Probably more reason you can't say that. - Probably more than ever. - No. - I think you can say that. - Okay, I'm not gonna risk it. - I think you can. 713-780-ESP and can you say that on the air? - No, I don't think you can. - 713- I think you can. - I believe in Brian taking the right approach. - No, I don't think he's wrong. - He'd rather border on the road. - Yeah, I'm not saying that Brian was wrong there. I think you can say it though. And are we sure he didn't say homeless? - Oh, I'm a hunter sir, yes. - I'm 100%. - Okay. - I'm a hunter. - We've had our caller evaluations lately, but we don't have to go to the tape for that one. - I do agree with Lane and that nobody's healthy this time of year. - That part of us called correct. - Landon's not hanging out on Montrose. I can tell you that. Can I make another point about Landon? Didn't, that didn't sound anything like a Landon. Like I've never heard of Landon and have that deep of a voice. Landon's usually a little more like higher pitch, I think. Like that was a deep-voisted Landon. - Are you stereotyping Landon's being more kind of like polo-wearing. - Yeah. - Okay. - Am I wrong? - I don't think you're off now. - No, that was the weirdest Landon I've ever heard. It didn't sound like a Landon. Maybe he was trying to disguise his name because he was going to say something you're not allowed to say on Brian's airwaves. - Probably. - Maybe, maybe. - 9866 is trolling us. He says, "School." I actually like the Vikings. I know you don't 'cause you're a Packer fan. I have a healthy respect for the Green Bay, or for the Minnesota Vikings. I am a big Kevin O'Connell fan. I like him a lot. I like Justin Jefferson a lot. And I really liked the story of Sam Donald right now. - I think that the only thing that deters me from completely liking the Vikings is the fact that they've been in our tribal forever in that division. But I've got a friend on the coaching staff. I like Justin Jefferson. I think Justin Jefferson is the best receiver in football. - Is he better than Chase? - I think he is overall. But I think it's a healthy discussion 'cause I think you go with speed versus the physicality of Chase. - 1-1-A situation. - Yeah, but if you're fighting over those two, either one that you end up with, you're going to be in a great position. And look, you talk about the storylines. I'm with you on Darnold, but I think that the fascination of the Bryan Flores storyline too of a guy that, because of what happened as a head coach and whoever you believe, there's a lot of negativity, but you can't help but give the guy his flowers for what he's done as a defensive coordinator because he's just doing it every week a different way. - The other defense is unreal. He can, he can scheme up a defense. I think he's such a good schemer defensively. I think he's going to get another head coaching job. - I think he will too. - And I don't think it's going to work. I don't think he's a good head coach. I don't think he's a good head coach. - You know, when we always talk about some guys who are just destined to be really good coordinators, but not good head coaches, he needs someone that can handle more that, we talk about guys that needed someone in the box that could control when to throw the red flag or the probabilities to understand the analytics of when to go for it, when not to go for it. He needs someone that can handle the communication aspects of some of the job. He can do the defense. He can do some of the talent evaluation. - Kind of sounds like you're saying he needs someone so he can only be a defensive coordinator of any coach. - Maybe a little more than that, but the talent evaluation overall in the needs of a team, but let's try and stay out of the communication with the owners and things. - In the quarterback, apparently. - Maybe he learned his lesson though. Like we see player development a lot, like players are much better in year four or five than they are one and two. Why can't a head coach be the same way? Like why couldn't he learn from, and it wasn't all bad in Miami. Like he won a lot more games there than the previous regime, although that's not saying much. Like it wasn't all bad. Like check. - No, you're right. Look at Brian Flores, although I don't know if that's a great feather in the cat for Brian Flores after they employed David Cully and Lovey Smith, although they did end up with D'Amico Ryan's, and they interviewed Kevin O'Connell. Like they interviewed some dudes that third time around. - But it's also part of the lawsuit and the reason why he filed the lawsuit and the fact that, yeah, you're right, that guys should get a second chance, but a lot of guys, particularly those that are African American, don't get that second chance. And now when you bring the lawsuit on top of it, teams are gonna be leery of what the baggage is they're bringing on and not just getting an unbelievable defensive-minded head coach. - His defensive scheme is so good that I wanna see what it looks like with a second chance. I don't know if it would work, but I wanna see what a second chance would look like. And that lawsuit's still going on. That's still pinning, it's still happening. Who was it that impressed you on the defensive end? You said you had somebody that caught your eye defensively that was a stud yesterday. Who was that stud? - The biggest thing to me is that El Shire should get more credit than, look, I know that there was a lot of sexy signings. I know that there was the big Danile Hunter signing and it was awesome. I know the fact that they went out and made the trades to get mixed in, to get stiff on digs. But if you watch what Aziz El Shire did yesterday, where he was on the football field, what he did in terms of putting together a complete game in the passing game, the fact that he got his hands on two different footballs where he could have had picks, but at least had the past defended and he did it the right way. And then when you look at the fact that he was in the backfield, he was doing his best, he was all over the field flying around, stopping the run. Eight tackles to the past defended. But then you take into effect that he lost 10 pounds in about 24 to 48 hours and what is in the... - He was in the emergency room on what Saturday? - That was the report that I saw. I didn't see that report until during the game, but yes. - I never saw that report. - Yeah, and so I saw it on social media, then I saw it during the game, then they were talking about it when they kind of I saw the camera on him because he had been all over the place and you go, okay, that's not normal, but at the same time you don't expect the kind of performance you're seeing from a guy like that. But more so than anything else, it's the D'Amico system. We're talking about shutting down Josh Allen. We're talking about doing it because D'Amico needs guys that are gonna play his way. The same way he let really good, we thought defensive tackles go because he wanted to do things differently and get different types of players in here to be on his defense. El Shire was the biggest pickup no matter who you had a year ago, was not gonna quarterback the defense the way he does. The fact that you can see why D'Amico wants a guy like this that has the athleticism to cover in past coverage, but still the toughness and the physicality to get in the backfield and wreak havoc. That dude makes that entire defense go and he's impressive to watch if you isolate him at him on at all. - 10 pounds in 24 hours, is he on a zimpic? - Seriously? - I need that diet. He impressed me too. Early in the game, he missed that tackle on James Cook and a little dump off it. I was like, oh, if this is what they're getting from Aziz al Shire today, like I admire the toughness, I admire the courage to play through an illness. Extreme, extreme nausea is what I read. It's like, okay, like if you're gonna miss those tackles, though, you shouldn't be on the field. And then after that, it was a completely different person. I thought he showed tremendous speed a couple of times that forced Josh Allen to throw the ball when normally Josh Allen might have been running. Like he beat him to the angle, he beat him to the edge, forcing Allen to throw errantly, which he was doing all day. And then you mentioned the coverage plays. Now, I think he has bricks for hands because he should have had an interception. That was your back-to-back play. - Yeah. - Back-to-back. - Yeah. - The second one in the flat kind of- - Back-to-back plays. - Really? - 'Cause they're close together. - I didn't either. I watched in the condensed game this morning. I hadn't either. The first one to me was the more impressive play 'cause he's like, stride for stride. He was probably beat, but I expect you to be beat. - Like he caved? - Yeah. - Like if you're close to step-for-step with Dalton Kincaid and you're doing a little PBU with, you know, Dalton Kincaid is the guy that you're guarding, that's the tip of the cap there Aziz al Shire. I didn't know you had coverage like that. And a good throw might have been completed. Like if you lead Kincaid there, you drop it in the bucket, you throw it over Kincaid shoulder, it's probably completed. But I thought that it showed good coverage by Al Shire. And then the second one was a little bit kind of fortunate. Like I don't think that was like a great coverage play. It was more being in the right spot at the right time. Probably should have caught it. Probably should have caught it, hit him right in the hands, but that's why he plays defense and not offense. - Yeah, you're right in the fact that if you want to question anything, you can question his hands 'cause that second one did hit him in both, hit him in a bad spot. The left and the right were both on the football. But overall, just the fact that you see a guy that can kind of bring the wood the way he does, but then also have the speed to get all around the field is something they didn't have a year ago. And they didn't have a guy that played both the pass game and the run game the way he does. And to bring that physicality, that attitude, and to have that Dameko system in his back pocket so he can help others be in the right spot to do the kind of things. I think he's helped Petri a lot in terms of when he gets down in the box and some of those things. - I think Harris was getting there. But what Harris lacked that I think Al Shire has is kind of the, is kind of like the moxie, kind of the attitude. I think the physical nature of like, I'm going to knock your head off on every single play. I think that Harris eventually gets there, but being such a young guy, kind of like Harris early last year gave me the impression of like, he wasn't very confident in himself. And then by the end of the year, it's like he was super confident and started to play to where I think as he's Al Shire is playing now. Hopefully they get Harris back soon because I think that would be a wonderful tandem. - Although I like what Henry Toa Toa was. - 'Cause he's far exceeded my expectations. I'll admit. - One of the unsung guys on this team so far to date has got to be Toa Toa because of the fact that we didn't expect much. And we kept hearing about the intangibles. Oh, he really knows the game. The X's and O's, his instincts are really good, but the size, the athleticism, it's not really there. He probably is what he's going to be in the league for his entire career. So there was natural questions about when do we get Christian Harris back and how quickly can we get him back? 'Cause this is going to be a problem. It hasn't been a problem 'cause Henry Toa Toa has been doing a damn good job. - Yeah, he has. And credit to him. He said that he was fat last year, lost a lot of weight and he's playing quicker and he's being a little bit more aggressive. He's playing more physical. He's been a better tackler. Yeah, he's exceeded my expectations. I thought there was a huge drop off after Al Shire Christian Harris to Henry Toa Toa. And I still think it's significant. Like you get Harris playing the way that he was last year. I still think he's far better than what Henry Toa Toa is exceeding my expectations and doing now. But it's not as big a drop from two to three as I thought it was going to be. I thought that they were going to be in big trouble if Henry Toa Toa had to play a tons of snaps. - I thought they were going to get exposed. - Yeah, me too. And it hasn't been that way. - No, not at all. And you're right, credit to him. Maybe he also had nausea. He just had it for a longer period of time to lose that weight. But at the same time, I don't think just losing weight is the reason why he got to where he got to. But I think he's comfortable in the league now and he understands the speed difference. And he went to Alabama for a reason. He has some talent. So the fact that he's putting it all together is he went to NIL, that's why it went to Alabama. - No, but you're right. It's a combination of it all. It's a combination of, okay, let me lose weight. 'Cause I know this is the speed that I have to play. And then improving in tackle. He wasn't a great tackle last year. He's been really good. He had that blow up play yesterday on the screen or went through the blocker and made the tackle both. Like it's one thing to blow up the block to allow your teammates to come make the stop. He did both. He blew up the block and then tackled the receiver. Yeah, that was the best play I've seen for Henry Toa Toa. Maybe in his career. - I think that's a level of physicality. We didn't see in his early stages with the Texans. And maybe again, that's another indication of when you're around guys like El Shire, who we know is going to border on being overly physical, that it can rub off on him too. And a guy that playing the similar position and right next to him is gonna be a guy tutoring him on what D'Amico's expecting in this defense has had to be a positive effect as well. - All right, do not ignore in victory what you wouldn't in defeat. What are areas the Texans have to clean up if they want to get to what they aspire to get to. It is the B's on ESPN 97.5 and ESPN 92.5. Hey, betters, that's you and you, all of you that are listening are the sports betters I'm talking to. And I'm here to tell you about my favorite sports book in Casino and that's betUS.com. One more game this week tonight. So getting on the action. Football is here. So getting on that action. I endorse one sports book in Casino. Of course, that is betUS. If you want a game plan to win this season, check out betUS. BetUS went large for you with a massive offer. How about 125% sign up bonus? So not your first deposit. Not your first two deposits, but all of your first three deposits. That's right. 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But do not ignore in victory what you wouldn't end defeat. 713-780-3776. Blankers, what are you not ignoring in victory what you wouldn't end defeat? - I think the first thing is, is that the Texans can't stop the run. I think the fact that when we talked about what Cook was able to do, but the fact that we've seen this kind of consistently throughout the season, that we have to be aware of the fact that as much as D'Amico got his guys that he wanted a defensive tackle, they were supposed to be guys that were supposed to be good at stopping the run. They struggled mightily to stop the run. Their biggest offensive weapon, which you thought was gonna be Josh Allen, and if you do the Belichick mentality of D'Amico's defense taking away Josh Allen, beating you by himself, Cook almost did it all by himself, because every time they needed a big play, he got the ball. When he ran the ball, he got chunk yards and good yards consistently. When they used him in the past game, he did the same. And I think that throughout the game, they struggled to stop the run, and that's gonna be something you're gonna see more frequently until they prove that they find a way to stop it. - You don't think that was a game plan specific? Like, 'cause you're not gonna stop everything against an NFL team. You're gonna have to give in certain areas who take it and others. I think a big part of yesterday's game plan was that they were so Josh Allen-centric, that they were willing to give up some runs to Cook. - Maybe some, but I think that just straight, like run scenarios and just straight run blocking, like the Texans were getting, they were getting manhandled down the defensive line, the holes were very big. And then the tackling was poor, where once he got by the first line of the defense, he was going whichever direction he wanted. They were struggling to bring him down. - They ran for 150 yards. I mean, that's a lot. Now, Allen did have 54 of those, so like the rest of the Bills were under 100. If you look at the season numbers for the Texans, they're 16th in the NFL, and rushing yards allowed per game, so it's smack dab in the middle at 120. For me, they don't ignore in victory what you wouldn't in defeat. How are you calling a pass play on third and five? Tied at 20, 44 seconds left to play at the Buffalo Bill 39. Why are you calling a pass play in that spot? I'm sitting there watching, 'cause they're trying to milk the clock. Daray freaking slid. Shy of the first down marker, by the way. - It went down. - The Texans got a favorable spot, but you could tell the Texans are like, okay, we're gonna be the final team that touches this ball. We're going to either Kaimi Fairbairne's gonna win it for us, or we're gonna go in and go to overtime. Adult and Sholt runs out of bounds on that second down completion, which it's like, okay, don't love that, but you can live with it, because there's 44 seconds left in the game. The Buffalo Bills do not have a timeout. You're already at the 39, so yes, it's a long kick, 56 yards, but I mean, Fairbairne made a 59 yarder to win it. Everybody that's watching that game, I'm sure, was yelling, run the football. Run the football. What do the Texans do? They come out and empty. They empty out the backfield. Still at that point, I was like, well, here comes the draw. Here's that Trevor Lawrence, fourth and one. Shotgun, drop the middle. They're gonna try to get Stroud to get two or three yards, turn a 58 yard field goal into a 55 yard field goal. Bobby Slowick dials up a passing play. A passing play. And then CJ Stroud, I don't know what happened there. CJ Stroud was asked after the game, and he was like, yeah, I didn't think it was grounding. I disagree with CJ Stroud. How is that not grounding? But how are you calling a passing play in that spot? That's an obvious half-back dive. Run up the middle. If you get stuffed, oh well. Here comes an opportunity for a 57 yard field goal and the win. Buffalo's not getting the ball back. A third and five pass play in that spot was asinine. - It was the only thing they couldn't do. - Only thing they couldn't do. - Which is funny because obviously coming from the same system, the Kyle Shanahan, it's similar to what happened in that Falcon Super Bowl when they gave up the 28-3 to leave the Patriots. The only situation they couldn't do is drop back a pass, Matt Ryan gets sacked and they get knocked out a field goal range. Yeah, literally the only thing you could not do was lose yardage on a sack or something like that. So don't pass, run the ball. - Run the ball. - Take the result and kick. - You know what had been better there? A quarterback nil would have been better there. - Anything, just don't lose yardage. - D'Amico was asked today, well, we didn't want to get stuffed. A stuffed there is not the worst thing in the world. - It's not losing, D'Amico. - A stuffed is okay in that spot. And not only, not only did they not run it, they emptied out the backfield. - That's what the most thing that bothered me to please snap the fact that he's empty. - At least gives a threat. - Yeah, what are they thinking? - I don't, and D'Amico, we didn't want to get stuffed. Like that was his best answer. And maybe like, you know, slow it when rogue. I don't think slow it when rogue, but D'Amico maybe didn't override him when D'Amico probably should have overrode him. Hey, we're not going to go pass play here, Bobby. Let's run the football. That was terrible. That was terrible. And then the execution of the play was poor. Yes, CJ, you can't, you know, you can't have an intentional grounding there. But also the Bills rush four. You have five men to block four and the Bills got a free rusher. You have five to block four and then they got a free rusher's terrible play call. Stroud made a questionable decision. And then on top of that, the pass protection was poor. - Yeah, and if you want to argue that, look, I've seen a lot more egregious than we let go in terms of the grounding 'cause it looked like Schultz was going one way. And CJ thought he was going the other, but you still had two receivers on that side of the field to where I thought, well, you could let that go, but you can't rely on that being a call that's going to go your way. The smarter thing was right from the pre-snap all the way through the play, just do the smart thing, which is either take no game or a minimal gain, but set yourself up to win the game with a field goal and you didn't do that. - You could have ran the clock out to one second there too, 'cause the Bills didn't have a timeout left. You had three timeout remaining. So even if you run the ball for a gain of nothing, you run the ball for a gain of nothing, you're looking at a game winning field goal from the 39, which 56, 57 yard field goal at that point, you didn't do that, you had to punt, it took a tremendous punt by Tommy Townsend, it took a three and out for your defense, it took a good punt return by Robert Woods, and then a 59 yard field goal for a kind of fair bearing for you to win the game. That was terrible. - They're the bad call by the Bills on the play that got you the extra five yards to get it to 59 yard field. - They dropped 11, never seen that before in my life. - Yeah, the two guys were basically out of your screen. - There was at least three guys lined up at the 10. - Yeah. - It was unbelievable. - They asked McDermott about it in his post game press conference. He said they had a guy in late so they didn't get the right play call in, which is, that's awful. Hate to be a Buffalo Bills fan. - That doesn't make it better. - It was like, okay, well that's awful. And then the other one that I have, don't ignore in victory what you wouldn't defeat, 7, 1, 3, 7, 8, 0, 3, 7, 7, 6, and we'll get to yours on the other side of the break. Fourth in one for the Texans at the 6.5 yard line, you're up 14 to three, 8 minutes left in the second quarter. So not kicking a field goal, there's fine to me. Like even if you make a field goal at 17 to three, it's still a two possession game. Yes, it's more difficult for the Bills to score two touchdowns as opposed to the touchdown two point conversion in the field goal. But that early in the game, I'm looking to try to extend the possession lead. So you're up two possessions, if you kick a field goal, it's still two possessions. I have no problem going for it. Fourth in one at the 16 and a half yard line. I think it's an automatic go for it in that specific spot. But the Texans interior run game is not their strength. That's the last play I would go. - A dive? - It's an effect dive up the middle. - But Dorei's starting about six, seven yards into the backfield is one thing. There's no possible option you're gonna do anything else. You're all jammed up on the line. And the fact is is that the Bills go, oh, look what they're gonna do. They're coming right down the middle. And then they just loaded up and brought everybody down the middle too. I hated the play call. I hated the design. A lot of times that I know because there's tape on it. But I like the fact that you run someone in motion. You give them the opportunity to think, hey, we misdirected or we go, we can run the receiver coming in motion. So maybe a lot of times you'll drop the ball to the receiver and give him and get him out in space. But there were so many different ways. Even a quarterback's sneak where right away you just get it and find a gap. But the fact that Dorei started so far back too and it looked like the only thing that could possibly run, I hated that. - Yeah, didn't like that. All right, dude, not ignoring victory, which you wouldn't interfere. We'll get some more that we have. We'll get two years as well. 713-780-3776. It is the Bills on ESPN 97-5 and ESPN 92-5. (upbeat music) ESPN 97-5. 97-5