0:00 Was it fun to play for Bill Belichick’s Patriots?
11:01 Davante Adams reportedly prefers trade to Jets or Saints
45:44 Robert Saleh: “There never was a cadence issue”
PFT Live with Mike Florio
Davante Adams has Jets and Saints atop his wish list (Hour 1)
Hour 1: Mike Florio (@ProFootballTalk) and Devin McCourty (@devinmccourty) discuss the latest news in the NFL including Davante Adams’ reported trade request, the Jets being the favorites to land Adams and Robert Saleh saying he never had an issue with Aaron Rodgers’ cadence.
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He didn't have the Patriots logo on the back of his helicopter. Hopefully that's to come. Next time I'm going to see him, I'm going to tell him, "Hey, Jerry's got a helicopter with a star on it. You've got to step your game up." See, when you first mentioned the helicopter pad, my thought was, "How does Jerry design and build this swanky practice facility in Frisco, Texas without a helicopter pad?" When you're Jerry Jones, helicopter pad is wherever your helicopter goes down. The world is your helicopter pad, right? I'm landing this thing wherever I want, and you best get out of the way. I love that the world is your helicopter pad. Flora, put that on a t-shirt. That's good. That I would be wearing that instead of my free Buccaneers swag. It's the Falcons and the Buccaneers playing tonight. Look, I'm not expressing any partiality here. I'm not tipping my eventual pick later in the day on the picks podcast. I can be easily bought from the standpoint of, "If you send me something and I don't think it's hideous, there's a good chance I'll wear it." We're starting to get into that time of year where you need something more than a polo shirt. It's a little chilly. I love this thing. They sent it to me last year when they brought their cream sickle uniforms back, so I decided what the hell. Sorry Falcons fans. If you send me one and I'll wear it, Falcons. I'll wear it the next time you're playing on a Thursday or Monday. So you need me to basically send you some Rutgers gears? Is that what you're saying? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Although, you know what? Depending upon my mood, like, yeah, I'm going out and about. Everybody around here wears West Virginia stuff. It's an easy way to be different. Although, I'd rather be different with a team that actually beat West Virginia. That would be better. I need Penn State or Pitt gear around here to really tranquil the locals. I knew you would take that dig at us. I understand. You put it on the tee. You put it on the tee? Yeah, because you haven't played West Virginia yet. Or you won't. By the way, by the way, we haven't had a chance to talk this week. You weren't able to do the show on Tuesday. We had Michael Holly on Tuesday. And of course, the email I got, did you piss off Devin? Is that why he's not on the show? Did you already piss him off after only a few weeks? And then on Wednesday, when Michael Holly wasn't on, because he's usually on Wednesday, I got all the emails. Did you piss off Michael Holly? He was like, hey, you people, you people are like, you watched the show. He was on yesterday. He was on yesterday. So I can't make everybody happy. Yeah. For those who can't make anybody happy, for those of you who thought I pissed off Devin, no, he had something to do on Tuesday. He's got a swanky new camera, right? Audio, better picture, better professional broadcaster. And I want to ask you this. And I know that it's difficult to be completely candid about the team you played your entire career for. But a lot of mornings, like, I don't know what I'm going to talk about when the show begins until I'm walking up the steps and I'm up here. And I was thinking of this fucking ear sweatshirt. And I thought of the whole Baker Mayfield, the comments about how Tom Brady came in and stressed everybody out and then Tom, who flashed a little something that I wish he would flash all the time in the broadcast booth, right? The whole thing about stress is not winning and this isn't daycare. And if I wanted to have fun, I'd go to Disneyland with my kids. Give me an idea how much fun you had day to day playing for the Patriots. Day to day. Now that's a different kind of word. So I would say we had our moments in the locker room. I think, I think like most places, like you're not going to love everything, but in the locker room, the laughs, the jokes, even in the team meeting, when we started the day, when Bill will go on his rants, you would have some very funny moments. But you heard what Tom said. Fun was, at some point, we knew we would have the time of our life, the night of the Super Bowl, the ring ceremony, and the parade. That was a three highlights of the year getting to that point. Yes, there's fun along the way. Playing rides back home after games. Like I said, those different moments, but the ultimate joy and the reason why you go through training camp, you can dish all of that stuff was about the winning, the championships. And like Julian Edelman used to write on the board that when you walked in our facility, it would be in big letters on a dry race board. Winning is fun. That was after we lost to the Eagles in Subo 52, and that became kind of the mantra inside the building. Winning is fun. So if we want to have fun, let's go win some damn games. Okay, but I mean, here's the reality. And I say this because, Devin, one of the things I've learned over the years, you'll have every owner, every coach, every GM of every team, every year, say our goal is to win the Super Bowl, our goal is to win the Super Bowl. And I think they say that because the fans goal is for their team to win the Super Bowl, the people who count the money realize we're winning anyway. We're winning. Even if we don't win many games, we're still winning where it counts. And if that's your standard for success on a pass fail basis, you're still going to be pissed off a lot of the time, even the Patriots, the 20 years, you win six out of 20, that's a, you know, 33% or they're about batting average. So I ask you this, you played there 13 years. You won three Super Bowls, which in the abstract is awesome. That's a hell of a career to emerge from a 13 year career with three Super Bowl rings. if the definition of fun is the Super Bowl parade and the Super Bowl ring ceremony, 10 out of 13 times, you didn't have fun the entire year. That's the, that's where, that's where the flaw is in this because you had most of your career by that definition sucked. It wasn't fun. It's true, honestly. I think, I think to make something up and say like, well, no, no, no, no, no. That, like, to me, that's true for that part of my life when we did on the football field in the NFL was a result driven business. It was fun when we won. That, like, that was the ultimate goal. Out of those, out of those 13 years, three times, we won the Super Bowl two other times, we got close and we lost in the Super Bowl, which felt like even more of a failure. So to think about that of getting all the way to the game and losing and then feeling like that season sucked, but I also think you have to think about things in perspective. And right now, Baker's in it, so you, you can't see it, but now that I'm done, the perspective of looking back and saying from 2011 to 2018, I was either in the Super Bowl or the AFC Championship. Like, I think back to those moments, those teams, like, that was awesome. And you do realize you had more fun doing that because on the alternative, once Tom left in my last few years in New England, those are miserable because we didn't even have a chance. Only one year we made the playoffs and then we got absolutely destroyed in Buffalo. So for some of these teams and guys will say they have fun because coach comes in and says, hey, we're going to the movies or we're going to go do, I don't know, dodgeball today. And like, maybe that is fun to them. But the culture and how I grew up in the NFL, like, that would have been cool in that time. But overall, like, that wouldn't have been fun. I wouldn't want to look back and say, our best moments as a team was our field trips and our team, bonding moments, other than that, we just went out there and we lost every week or every other week. Like, no, the fun was in going out there, having this game plan. Like, we talked about Subaru 53 of coming up with this crazy game plan and changing everything we did for most of the season and going out there and executing that and seeing it work. Like, yeah, after the game was fun, but being in the middle of that game and the challenges and the chess match, like, that was, that was the time of my life. And I love and enjoyed every moment of that. But yes, I think football, and I think when you play in the NFL, like, you should be having fun because you're winning. Like, don't tell me you're having fun and you're not, you're not winning games. You're not making a playoffs. You're not trying to play for championships. Like, to me, that does just not fun. I started down this path that was completely unexpected and unplanned and Devin, I didn't even, you didn't know I was going to bring it up. I didn't always go and bring it up until I literally got up to the top of the steps and, and the synapses in my brain, my relaxed, impaired brain started to fire. However, I want to end here. As to the concept of day to day fun. How long did you guys get to enjoy each win regular season when how long did Bill Belichick let you guys savor that if at all? I mean, I would say home games. We again, in New England, we had our office, our stadium and everything. If everybody's been there in Foxboro, it's like a whole thing, right? It's like a mall with a stadium attached to it. So after the game, we would all go up to the bar, Louie up there and fans would see us walking through. We would have fun for the rest of that day. And then whenever we played in a way game, if we won coming back on the plane ride, that was fun. If we got back early enough, we might all go out to eat or something. That was fun. But other than that, we used to talk about Monday being the race, being the challenge to, okay, we know everybody plays Sunday for the most part. And then now Monday, you're going to review the game and then Tuesday's your off day. We used to talk about once we come in Monday, review the game. How fast can we turn the page and start out preparing our opponent for the next week? Because Bill will say every single week, the game isn't played on Sunday only. The game's week starts Monday night. Who gets ahead? Who goes home watching some extra film gets going? So that would always be the competition. So whatever happened, if you played a night game Sunday night, we on Sunday night football, you had whatever you did after the game until you woke up Monday to enjoy that win. And then it was time to move on. On to Cincinnati, indeed, 10 years, almost to the day, just a week or so since the 10 year anniversary of on to Cincinnati, on to Las Vegas. And things have been interesting to say the least. It became clear to me on Sunday that Devonta Adams had played his last game with the Las Vegas Raiders. The planets were lining up. I didn't expect things to escalate as quickly as they have. By Tuesday, it was clear, Devin, that Devonta Adams wants out and the Raiders are willing to accommodate. I personally believe that Antonio Pearson, Devonta Adams made a deal before the season. Hey, give us a chance. Give us a chance. Give us a fresh slate. That's what Devonta Adams called it during the preseason. And let's see how it goes. They get beaten home by the Panthers. No longer a fresh slate for the Las Vegas Raiders. And I don't think we'll see Adams again. And I'm more convinced of it as time goes by. So let's hear a little bit from Antonio Pierce. First time he's met with reporters since all of this came to a boil on the status of his star receiver Devonta Adams. Here it is. Yeah, Devonta, he's still with a hamstring. He's rehabbing and the rest of us are focused on Denver. If you're here in the building today, are you supposed to be rehabbing? Are you sure that all of this has been an distraction? No, no, because we're focused on Denver. Given all the reports that are out there about Devonta, how are you able to focus simply on the Broncos coming up? I've been doing them. Are you talking about me personally? You and then how do you keep it? Oh, because I mean, it starts with me because that's my only focus. I get paid here to get ready each and every week for the opponent. I don't blink. I don't flinch. I don't know. I've said it before. Like, I've been through enough of my life with adversity and stuff that doesn't bother me. I just move forward. The next obstacle in front of me is the Denver Broncos. Just business as usual, which is going to keep rolling. I mean, it's NFL. Thanks come up every day. Since I've taken over his job, it's been obstacles. So, just another one. You know, there's all sorts of distractions that can happen for a football team. I don't know how big of a distraction this is, Devonta, because I don't think anybody in the organization is surprised by it. We all saw in the receiver series how exasperated he was with the team last year. I'm amazed they got him to quiet that down going into this season. I think Antonio Pierce, anyone that was on the team last year who heard a lot of stuff privately that we didn't have access to in the receiver series, they know. They know this was coming. So, when something is inevitable, when it finally happens, how much of a distraction is it really? I agree with you. And I think when you're on a team, and like you said, you see all of this kind of going down, I think that's a little bit of a distraction. But I also think when you have certain players on your team, it's kind of like, hey, that's probably Devonta's thing. Like, we understand the level of player he is, and what's going on in that situation. And the people who have been there for a while, I'm seeing Josh McDaniel's come, Derek Carr at quarterback. They've kind of been like, hey, this is still kind of part of all of that stuff. Him getting here, you know, how it worked out with Carr, and then the season, and then obviously we're a receiver coming to the forefront in the off season. I think the players there are like, yes, that exists, but we're kind of operating outside of that. Like, that's its own thing. I compare it similar to like, when a guy has a little bit of a contract thing that goes on for a while, it gets to the point where guys are like, yeah, they handle that. And then when it's time to go, it's time to go. I would say the one thing that is a little, I won't say weird, but could be a distraction is, is he really hurt? Like, is this now a hamstring that, you know, started as a hamstring, but now because of all of this that is going on, it's like, yeah, as a hamstring, but he doesn't want to play. And maybe as a team, we don't want him to play because we do want to trade him. So I remember even, you know, Sunday night when we're sitting there and we're in the viewing room and you go, I think Devontay Adams played his last snap. And I'm like, dang, last snap. We're a couple of games into the season. We're already talking about last snap. And now you look at it and it's like, oh, wow, like, this is real. So I do think the whole incident with Antonio Pierce, like in a tweet and all of that, it seems like what you said, something had already transpired before anything. And I don't know if maybe him and Devontay got into it. Maybe it's about the injury. Who knows? Maybe they did have something that said, hey, if this doesn't work out, but maybe for Daunte Adams, it came up a little sooner than Antonio Pierce would have liked. But I just thought that was a very weird interaction for a coach, especially like, you know, how busy coaches are to take the time and, you know, to talk about liking some of social media and then not to just come out or call Devontay Adams or, you know, whatever it is. And he goes on, you know, a show and a K Adam show and says, I didn't talk to him. Like, that to me was really the icing on the cake of, oh, this is, this is like really bad because Devontay Adams could have went on and said, hey, we'll handle that. Like, that's no big deal. But for him, it was a big deal. And he talked about that. So a really bad situation. And I think kind of spotlights this whole thing of when it happened and he wanted out of Green Bay and he got to Vegas. It was like, this talk of how awesome this was going to be with Carr and, you know, Josh, Josh going down there to Vegas to coach this team and what they were able to. And now you look a few years later, it's like, McDonald's is gone. And now Devontay Adams is going to be gone. Carr is going to be gone. Who knew that at that moment it was the beginning of the end for this Vegas team? And you could argue it's not really a distraction for it to be coming to a head. It's the end of the distraction where there's this sense of discontent and you have a guy in your midst who isn't all in and he's complaining about this and he's complaining about that. And that's the distraction, removing him from the equation if he's not happy, even if the injury is an injury. And when I saw that it was week to week, that leaked to Chef D for Sunday morning, the Sunday splash reports that we see every Saturday night into Sunday morning that he's week to week. That's when I said, look, I've been following this for over a year. He's done. He's done. He won't be back with the Raiders. They'll trade him before the deadline week to week until the Tuesday after week nine or sooner that he has sent to a new team. And now the question becomes, Devin, where does he go? The wish list reportedly includes the Jets and the Saints. Ian Rappaport reported this morning, which means Adam's agent is putting this out there. Sorry, reporters who get mad when we say that, but I kind of know how the sausage is made. I got me a sausage grinder. I know how it works. The agent's putting out there. He wants to go to the Jets, but he's open to other destinations. Look, we've always thought the Jets were the team because it's an Aaron Rodgers reunion. Hey, Devin, I look at that depth chart. Garrett Wilson, Alan Zard, Mike Williams. I think one of those guys is going to have to go. If Devonta Adam shows up, and I talked yesterday about Garrett Wilson and his comments about the offense and Robert Salah had to address that yesterday. Garrett Wilson, running a couple of routes, not getting the ball. I won't be surprised if Aaron Wilson's part of the trade package back to the Raiders or traded somewhere else to help the Jets get the draft pick compensation that goes to the Raiders because when you look at the fact that you got three starting caliber receivers who have all been great at some point in their career, and Lazar's only great when Rodgers is healthy, but Rodgers is healthy and Lazar is great. There really isn't a spot for Devonta Adams. I feel like one of those guys is going to have to go. And I look at Garrett Wilson because he's the youngest of that group with the highest potential and future earnings. And like you said, he's already talked about, "Hey, we're not really doing anything on offense." He made sure once that comment was made of what they're doing on offense, he's like, "I watch football on Sunday." So when you hear that, that's like, "All right, there's already an issue." And now to think, "All right, you get Devonta Adams, so you have these three starting receivers." The problem is not that somebody gets less targets or blah, blah, blah. Somebody becomes receiver four. So that means third down, you're probably not on the field in most of these situations. That means two-minute situations you might sub in for a player two. So that to me becomes the issue of which one of these guys want to have their play count and play and snaps cut maybe in half. So yeah, I think those three guys, I think Garrett Wilson's probably the number one guy that says, "Well, if this guy comes in, forget you trading me." I don't know if he wants to be there. He might like New York in different things. He got drafted there. He's had a great amount of success so far, but he might look and say, "I don't want to be a part of this new kind of Jets outlook. I wasn't getting the ball before. And now we know once Devonta comes, he's going to get at least more than half of the targets to go. His way to drop back. So I'm going to fall down and be receiver number two or maybe number three. Once you factor in a relationship between Lazard and Roger. So I could easily see him saying, and I think for the Jets, you look and say, "All right, this guy gives us the best chance to get the most from any type of trade and draft capital." But the problem is he's a young stud receiver. The Jets really have to say, "We're going all in to win a Super Bowl this year or next year if they make that kind of move." You know, we all find ourselves in situations where we can feel a little bit nervous. Sometimes for me, standing in a studio, the lights get a little hot. The anxiety runs a little high. 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Now Aaron Rodgers is there and he's playing and his targets and catches are being chewed into by the fact that Rodgers wants to force feed it to his buddy who was terrible last year when Rodgers wasn't around. There's another way to put it. He was healthy, scratch, at least once, if not more than once when Rodgers wasn't there. Now Rodgers is there. I'm going to throw it to my buddy. Now my other buddy. My better buddy is here. Friend number two is getting a lot of balls. Friend number one is going to get the rest of them. Garrett Wilson is going to be saying, what am I doing here? You know, my first thought when I was communicating with some people last night about how these dominoes are going to fall, like, why does Garrett Wilson want to go to the Raiders? Well, he'll be the guy getting all the passes. Now you may have to share with Brock Bowers, but you're at least going to be involved in the offense more in Las Vegas than you will be in a Jets offense that features two of Aaron Rodgers, buddies and former teammates. Exactly. And I think at some point in this Jets organization, they have to take control of the part they can control in this destiny or this run because of right now. I just wondering you looking, you say, how happy is everybody with the offense and what they do because right now it seems like between hacking and Rodgers, you have this mentality of what you want to do as an offense. And it's what's best for them too. Now, overall, is that what's best for the offense of, hey, nobody's going to motion. Everybody's going to be stationary. Rodgers is going to see it. Put the ball where it needs to be. Guys just need to win. So then you have this thought of like, well, or if we buy into that and this is what we're going to do, then, yes, getting to Bonset Adams makes a ton of sense because you would say, and we go out there with a group of Mike Williams, Lazard, Garrett Wilson and Devonta Adams, it's going to be really hard for defenses to match that personnel and stop what we're doing. But the problem is, could we be moving in a different direction? Possibly if you had one of these different offensive coordinators, maybe that Salah has been with before because he was in Kyle Shanahan's offense and he had, you know, Mike Lofour went in before and it didn't work out, but they didn't have a quarterback that they necessarily thought maybe that could make it work. So I'm starting to think about all of these different things for the Jets of what if you had this quarterback, but you were able to go in a direction that was more for the decision makers to decide who you bring in, what you do from a personnel standpoint, a coaching standpoint, and build that way off of all of the talent in the room on offense and not just Aaron Rodgers. So if this thing doesn't get worked out, we all know Salah will get all of the blame. It'll be his fault. He didn't make it work, but you have to start at some point saying, "Hey, the Aaron Rodgers experience got cut short last year. Now you come into this year of year one, but really year two of this thing because of the injury, and even though the head coach is going to get the blame, we have to look and say a part of this is happening to make Aaron Rodgers happy to make this thing go." So if it doesn't go with those decisions, there's got to be some blame for what we try to do just for Aaron Rodgers. No different than when Tom went to Tampa, and the beginning of that was a little rocky. And Sims talked about it on Sunday of the same kind of approach to old school quarterback that likes to see things, doesn't want a lot of movement going on behind them because it's harder to read the defense with people moving. And then eventually Bruce Aaron saying, and I remember being in New England and saying, "Wow, I know Tom can't like that being challenged by your head coach in public." Yeah, it was one thing in private when Bill would go, but in public, that was a whole different thing, but I think that might have started to move the needle a little bit towards what they ended up doing and what they ended up becoming as a team because it kind of sent a message of, "Hey, wearing this as a Tampa Bay Buccaneers overall, we're trying to win a championship with the guys in this locker room." Yes, we went and got Tom Brady who's going to make and help all of this happen, but it's still about the team and we have to do it that way because that's the only way we won a championship. And I think Tom understood that, and you can see that thing really take off as the season ended and they had some big wins that ultimately led to the Super Bowl. And I think Tom Brady is wired at some point to submit to the broader process after being beaten down mentally by Bill Belichick for 20 years. It was easier to get him under control. It's going to be much harder with Aaron Rodgers. And let's face it, and I always say dysfunction in any organization begins at the very top. And in New York, they've been dysfunctional for most of Woody Johnson's tenure as owner, and Woody, I'm sorry if you don't like it, but the record speaks for itself. You are, as Bill Parcells would say, what your record says you are, and they sold their soul to the delicate genius last year, and they made it worse by accepting his gesture of 35 million or so in money that he handed back. Do you think he just did that out of the goodness of his own heart? Do you think that was some kind of donation to the heir of a big pharma corporation? Hell no, that gave him even more control, that put him in better position, that underscored the fact that Woody Johnson owns the team, but Aaron Rodgers runs it. And it's too late at this point to go back, and we see evidence of it all the time. We're going to talk about one tangible piece of evidence of it later in the program. So, if he wants to have Auntie Adams, he's getting to Auntie Adams, even if it means Garrett Wilson, who otherwise would have been with the team a lot longer than Aaron Rodgers, Garrett Wilson may get sacrificed, because Rodgers wants his buddy, and Rodgers is in charge, and they signed their soul over to him when they did the deal, and when they accepted it was cemented when they accepted that 30 million plus gesture from him last August or thereabouts. Yeah, and the crazy thing is, the people who are doing this, think about Joe Douglas and Salah, they're going to be gone. Like, that to me is the hardest thing about the NFL, because like you say, you take a look at who really makes these decisions, ultimately the owner, right? You own this team, so you do that, but we know who's going to get the blame. So, I'm just wondering, at some point, do they just say, we're going to get fired anyway? I look at Dave Kanalis and the Panthers, I mean, if this doesn't work out, hey, we know he's going to get blamed, but maybe he made the decision, maybe he didn't make the decision for Auntie Dalton. But ultimately, at some point, I just think, when you're in these seats that are kind of figurehead seats and you don't really get to move the dominoes and move the pieces where you want, at some point, you've got to just say, you know what, forget it. I'm going to get fired anyway, and it feels like, especially because it's a New York team, every week is the determination of if you're going to keep your job or not. The Jets go out and handle the Patriots on a Thursday night, they haven't really done that in a while, the Patriots had a win streak going into MetLife. They go and win, and all we talk about after the game is how great Aaron Rodgers looked, what he was able to do, and rightfully so, because he looked really impressive that Thursday night. But I don't think there was much mention if at all of Robert Salah getting the team ready to go on a short week, how much they traveled, and how that team came out and executed. I don't think we talked about that at all after the game. The following week, they go out there, they play Denver, 13 penalties, five of them fall starts, everyone's like, Salah has to go, he's not the coach, and that's the world we live in of how this thing operates on. I just think as GM and head coach, you have to just put your stamp on it, and I thought when I used to play against the Jets when I was still playing as Salah came, there was a culture and a way that they played that just to me jumped off the screen, how hard the running backs were running, the defense flying around. And like when I watched the Jets teams right now this year, I just don't feel like it's that same edge every week. Even when they had Zach Wilson at quarterback and we played games where honestly the game was super close and the difference was the few interceptions or turnovers he had. But like the games were close because of the style of play and how those guys came and prepared and played outside of just the quarterback position. And now I'm looking at this team and I'm like, I don't see that, I don't see this team that was always on edge, that was all gas, no breaks. And I think they have to get back to that. They have to try as much as possible to avoid all of the narratives that run and ruin these Jets teams through the years because of the media comes in and different things. And then the team, the coaches, the players, they start playing to those narratives and trying to prove people wrong because they said this. And I think this team has kind of fallen a little bit into that trap of, all right, the defense was supposed to be great, but they're not playing well. And now the defense is trying to prove a point, but Rodgers is trying to, I think they really have to change that and get back to what they kind of were built on of a team that just goes all out every single play and let the chips fall where they may fall. Because I think that style for one, the New York, New Jersey, this area loves that style and can get behind that. And ultimately I think when Aaron Rodgers in that style, they'll win games, but they might not win games the way people want them to win games. But at the end of the day, no one cares as long as you're winning. You make an excellent point about how when the Jets man handled the Patriots on a short week. Oh, Aaron Rodgers is back. Aaron Rodgers looking like an MVP. This is all Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers and not. Wow, they really weathered this early season storm play in three games between September 9 and September 19. Great job, Robert Salah keeping them together and coming out of that start two and one. Then they lose to the Broncos and you're right. It's all Salah's fault. It's not Rodgers fault. We're going to delve into this issue that has emerged. And I think it's a great example of what happens when you surrender your team to a player, which is what they've done. And for Jets fans, I don't know, for some of them, it might not be a popular take. For some of them, it might be music to the ears because that's what they're thinking. Why did we allow ourselves to do that? Why did we get so smitten with the idea of bringing in an aging quarterback with a reputation for being. Let's face it, kind of a jerk. I made this point yesterday when you read the Eno counter biography, he never comes out and says that the reason Aaron Rodgers has been overlooked and disregarded and didn't get this chance out of high school and wasn't recruited out of Butte community college, all that aggressively, even though he was great and the 49ers didn't want him at the first overall pick, the through line is he's a jerk. And that's the conclusion you come to when you piece it all together and look at what's happening with the Jets. They've handed it over to him and when things go well, it's because of him and when things don't go well, it's because of somebody other than him. And even he's not coming out and saying it, he's created the atmosphere where that's the natural conclusion that people come to. All right, back to, back to Devontae Adams. We have odds as to where he will take first snap after the trade deadline. Very particular and specific proposition here. The trade deadline is coming up on November 5, first snap after. I doubt that he'll be traded twice. It's just a weird donut hole. Regardless, the game to be played after the trade deadline, Jets are the overwhelming favorite at -110, Saints are up there, Steelers are hovering. Remember, they tried to get Brandon Iuk. Commanders are a real contender. I could see them getting involved. Cowboys at 8 to 1. Mike McCarthy tipped out around the question yesterday as he should. Never talk about a guy under contract with another team when he doesn't have permission to shop himself in a trade yet. But then there was a report that the Cowboys don't want him. The Cowboys are out. It's funny that the Raiders are in there. Don't waste your money on that. The Chiefs are in there. I know Jason Garrett was pushing that on Sunday because the Chiefs have a need. I don't know if it's not the Jets, Devon. Where do you think it's going to be? For one with the Chiefs, I think we all sit here and would love to see that. But if you're the Raiders, can you really send this guy into division? I don't think you can do that. I would love to see him going as Steelers. I think the team has a need to have a guy like him. And I think of China game plan, George Pickens, and Devontay Adams. And I think most importantly, they have a strong figurehead as a head coach who will push the team forward. So ultimately, like when you make all of these big free agent moves or these big trades to get these big time receivers and I know we'll get into it too. Devontay Adams, same year. Like when you do that, the ultimate goal has to be like this player taking you over the top to just get a new player. And you know, probably he sells a little bit more jerseys, helps bring some more tickets into the stadium. That's great. But overall, if I'm watching, like you said earlier, as a fan, if we make this move, I'm expecting us to be out there competing for a Super Bowl. And you think about the Patriots when they acquired Randy Moss, they didn't win the Super Bowl with Randy, but ultimately it led to them playing in a Super Bowl. And I think these teams that do this, like that has to be the point. I think of Mike Tomlin and you giving them a guy like Devontay Adams. We saw what Mike Tomlin was able to do with Antonio Brown, Leveon Bell, like, yes, you know, the team fell short a bunch of times. But now when we got to see those guys in other places, we realized, Mike Tomlin's a genius. Not only did they win football games, he handled all those different personalities that when they got outside of that building and that organization, I mean, it wasn't a lot of success for either one of those guys, other than AB getting a Super Bowl with Brady. But I just think of Mike Tomlin and Devontay Adams going there, how fast they could get on the same page, and it could be all pushed towards that team winning, not all of the other extra stuff. It would be strictly about winning. So that would be fun to see. And I think Mike Tomlin will be able to handle everything that comes along with that. Keep the team from not being distracted by anything other than, you know, going out there and winning football games. I don't know if I've ever told you this before, I know I've said it sitting in this chair, coaches around the league marvel at Mike Tomlin because when guys who were with the Steelers go elsewhere, and it's not just Antonio Brown, when guys who were with the Steelers go elsewhere, they're like, I had no idea this guy was this way. How did Mike Tomlin keep this guy from being that way for all that time that he was in Pittsburgh? And the report today that Devontay Adams is open to other destinations could give the Steelers some hope because look, you don't want a guy who doesn't want to be there. And I'm not sure the Raiders would trade him to a place he doesn't want to be. I think part of this deal that he struck with Antonio Pierce, fresh slate in exchange for if we stink, let me go, it's not just trade me wherever, it's trade me where I want to go. And again, usually I say this with a quarterback, but when you have a big name player like that, you don't want to complicate your own effort to get to a Super Bowl by bringing in a guy who doesn't want to be there. Because then you got to deal with that on top of everything else. There are a couple of issues to keep in mind before we get to this strange thing that's emerged between Salah and Rogers. The Devontay Adams contract has to be absorbed by the new team, and the team has to have enough cap space. The moment the deal is done to take on the pro-rated $16.89 million base salary, $510,000 in per game roster bonuses, each week those numbers go down, you got to be able to fit all of that. Under the cap, you can't redo his deal on the way through the door, you have to have enough to take it as the deal is so you better create cap space elsewhere. And if any team that's on that list dev and starts creating cap space, restructuring contracts, that may be a precursor to Devontay Adams trade. But somebody told me last night, I wrote about this last night, the Raiders might end up paying some of that money because we've seen cash become a way to buy better draft picks. And if you can ship a more attractive contract to a team that might be cap strapped, you get more. Instead of a three, you get a two, instead of a four, you get a three, instead of a three and a four, you get a two and a three, whatever it may be, there's value, draft pick value in the Raiders, eating some of that money, maybe redoing the deal on the way out the door and making it easier for a new team to take that in. So a couple of dynamics to watch because the cap reality, like for the Saints, they got three or four million in cap space, they're gonna have to do some work, and it's either going to be clearing cap space on their end, or the Raiders pushing that cap number down that gets sent to a new team. And I think about the Saints, the way they've played offensively, but receiver hasn't been an issue and I understand the mentality and the thought process of, well, if it's already a strength, let's make it even better and go into the season that way. But I just think of the Saints and I get the car situation and him wanting to go play there. And I know as soon as you say, well, it didn't really work out the first time, people are going to go and they're going to pull up his stats and what he did there. So ultimately, the goal would have been to have success there, compete for a Super Bowl and still be together in Vegas. So to me from that point, Derek Carr was Vegas's quarterback for a long time and I think the people, whether it was in Oakland or Vegas, had come to really enjoy a tough car there from a fan standpoint, and Devontay Adams going there, also he was the beginning to him being gone along with Josh McDaniels. So I just look and I'm just like, what is the rush to put that together again? And if I'm the Saints, do I think bringing Devontay Adams in gets us over the top? Is that like the missing piece? And maybe they do. But I just wonder, because like we said the same thing with the Jets, when you have these teams that have guys who are productive and they're making plays. You look at Olave, you look at Rishi, Shahid, you look at Khmer, you look at what they're doing offensively, they got to feel pretty good about that. They got to feel like, all right, we got to pick it back up. We said 90 points in the first two games, but we're still confident in what we have. And as soon as Devontay Adams walks into the door, somebody targets something like some of that goes down. And I just think from a player perspective, that's okay to go down. If ultimately it means we're better to go win a Super Bowl and maybe Devontay Adams is coming in. Maybe he has the mentality of wherever I go next, if that means less is more for us to win. Maybe he's coming in with that approach and he's happy with that. So I just think that's the biggest part of this of teams have to have a good understanding of their locker room and how making this big move will impact everybody else in your locker room. I remember being in New England and being in certain campus meetings and talking about that what Coach Belichick of when you do make a move of understanding not only is this player going to help us on the field, but like I got to first get the guys in a locker room to not maybe fully understand this. But somewhat be on board and I know it didn't work out in 2019. We're talking about Antonio Brown, but bringing in Antonio Brown was kind of a situation like that. We got in there and we were talking about it and people were like, we were in there as cabins means like, yeah, like Antonio Brown, I'll help. And again, we felt like we had the culture and the type of locker room that anything that happened outside or maybe as personnel, like whatever it was, it was like, no, he'll be fine in here. Like, that's what we do. And I remember Brady saying that, hey, we understand that what we've built as a locker room here can take on and handle all of those different situations. Like, we don't say no to those situations. We say, yes, bring in this guy, bring in that guy, whatever happens, like, we know it'll work out here. And I think that has to be something a team that is really built on winning and trying to do something positive and win a Super Bowl. I think you have to think about that. And so far, I don't think a lot of the conversations have been about that of Devonta has been about X's and O's and what he can do. But I think you just have to think about that. And I know, like I said, in New England, we had those conversations and we brought in guys. Like, you knew it was going to work because of what we had around. And you think about Antonio Brown only there for a week, but you look at the Miami game and he was able to stay there. I think ultimately, like, it would have built up to that season going really well, very similar in 2018 when Josh Gordon came and his situation in Cleveland and all of those, he gets on the team. And I think only plays 11 or 12 games and finishes with, like, 700 yards, a few touchdowns. So I think you have to have that perspective and understanding that we got to make this work across the board, not just when we drop a game plan and what we think might happen. This has to work everywhere in the locker room, when we're in a practice feel like everything has to work out. I've been racking my brain during the period of time. The Saints were high-end contenders. And it started, I mean, really, 2006, right away when Sean Payton got there, they got to the NFC Championship. They win the Super Bowl 2009. For most of the next decade, they are contenders. They had, you know, rip your heart out and show it to you moments in the postseason, 2017, 18, 19 timeframe. I don't remember them making a deadline move. I don't remember them making a trade. I don't remember them disrupting their vibe by saying, "We're just going to add this piece and that's going to put us over the top." I'm not saying it didn't happen. All I'm saying is, I don't remember that. They don't seem to have that attitude and that approach. Let's go out and let's go grab a guy that's going to help put us over the top or whatever the case may be. And I think back to the original Devontae Adams trade. Okay. Oh, he's reuniting with Derek Carr. They were together at Fresno State. But then, at some point after he has a big first season with the Raiders, it comes out that Devontae Adams, after he said he went from one Hall of Fame quarterback to another, which no one believed, all due respect to Derek Carr, then it comes out, he wanted to go somewhere where he could have a big year and people would know it wasn't because of Aaron Rodgers. So, just the fact that he's being linked to the Saints. Like, sometimes I wonder how much of this is being leaked by people close to Adams and I want to choose my words here carefully. How much of it is somebody who's a reporter just kind of throwing a dart and making a connection that's fairly obvious? Like, does he really want to go back with Carr? Do the Saints really want him? It seems like it's the Jets or talk me into it. So, I'm with you. I don't think the Saints make a whole lot of sense because of how the Saints have conducted themselves over the years and what we know about Adams and Carr and why he wanted to be with the Raiders in the first place and on and on. Let's get to this Salah issue and I want to summarize it very briefly, Devont. After Sunday's loss to the Broncos, Five Fall starts during the game by the Jets. Robert Salah suggested it was the cadence, that very unique style by Aaron Rodgers. It gets guys to jump, gives you a free play, that's trademark to Aaron Rodgers over the past 15 years. Then Rodgers, that same day, says, "Oh, there's nothing about the cadence, you got to hold these guys accountable, cadence has nothing to do with it." So, the next day it was cleaned up on our Five by Salah. Oh, it's the operation, it's not the cadence. That all leads up to yesterday, Wednesday, media availability by Robert Salah. Here he is on whether or not he and Aaron Rodgers have hashed out the cadence issue. There is no cadence issue, there never was a cadence issue that was created. What is your relationship with Aaron now? How would you describe it? Aaron and I are fantastic. I love the guy. It was created. He's right about that. It was created by him. See, this is part, Devont, of the Aaron Rodgers experience. If you're in his orbit, you got to watch everything you say, all the time. Because one false move at the wrong time means you have an issue with this guy who holds grudges, who's extra sensitive, who's constantly looking for actual or perceived slights. I mean, life is exhausting. When you have somebody close to you, isn't it? I don't know. I'm not going to say that I'm the one or that there are people close to your life. But I can imagine. I can imagine life is exhausting if you're constantly tiptoeing around someone who's going to get their nose out of joint over the dumbest shit imaginable. Like whether or not you use the word cadence instead of operation. So it just, it proves the point we were making earlier. It's, how do you win football games and compete for a Super Bowl when you get bogged down by something like this? I see what you're saying and I agree to a certain point. But what I will say is the Jets made the right move getting Aaron Rodgers because you can't win without a guy like that. The hard thing is you got to make it work. But if I'm in that situation, I get a chance to get Aaron Rodgers. I'm getting Aaron Rodgers. But I just think there's nothing wrong with accountability. And after the game when I heard Salah say that, I'm not going to lie. I thought the same exact thing Aaron Rodgers said. Like, no, like the cadence, like Tyrone Smith was the one who fall started I think once or twice. Like, we need to change it because the all pro guy, the guy who's one of the best left tackles in his era when he was playing can't know the cadence. Like, no, like that's ridiculous. Like, we got a whole guy's accountable. And I think Salah would say after, I think even when he sat down and he kind of probably took all of that in, it was like, yeah, Aaron Rodgers was right on that. Like, we can't change the cadence. We can't make this pop, Warner, and we're going to do everything on one because we can't stay on signing. No, that's ridiculous. We got a whole guy's accountable. And the next part of that is we got a whole guy's accountable. And guys have to be accountable. Like, we can't leave a game and talk about being on side. Yeah, we can run guys and practice in New England if the quarterback is center, you know, fumble the exchange or someone had a false start or an off-size on defense. Yeah, you ran your laps. But ultimately, is that enough punishment to make you not do it? No, like, it's the player who has to decide, I'm not going to make this mistake that all it is is a lack of focus. Like, they have to decide that. And then as a head coach, Salah has to make sure if they don't do that, you make changes and you go about it that way. But I think, especially for this situation, I think Aaron Rodgers was dead on. We don't change the cadence because these guys are messing up. We go. We practice it. I'm sure they've been practicing it. But for some reason, it was a lack of focus in that game. And as much as I'm saying, like, I'm behind Salah on what he's done. When you say statements like that, a lack of focus or a team not being ready to play. Yes, the head coach has to take some blame in that because it's your job to get the team ready. And most teams and the teams I've been on, when that happens, head coach comes in and he says, "Hey, it's my job to get you ready. I fell short." And then that next sentence is always a butt. But as players, I can't make you want to go play. I can't do this. You're the ones on the field. So it's a two-way street. Salah has to hold him accountable. But again, like I spoke about earlier, the players on the Jets have to take ownership in this team. It is not just Aaron Rodgers, the Savior, who's going to come in, save the day and go win football games. So yes, they have to find a way to make all of this work together because you said it. You sold your soul. You jumped all in. There's nowhere else to go now. You're in it. So maybe what you kind of thought coming in and what you were going to have to do. Maybe you thought you were going to have to tiptoe. Maybe you thought you would throw all that out the window. Go all in. Salah, if you have something to say to Aaron Rodgers, you need to say it. If it's in the media, you need to say it. Like whatever it is, I think they have to go all out and just do those things because, hey, if you say it and he hates you and it doesn't work, right now it doesn't look like it's working either for the most part so far in the year. And four games that this has kind of been in play and been going, it hasn't been good for Jets fans so far. You're just mediocre at best right now. So to me, take the gloves off, just go and go all out. If you wear knuckle throw blows, figure it out. And if it works, you have the season you all dreamed about. If it doesn't, it was heading that way anyway. One last thought before we take our first break. Number one. I agree with you that bringing this cadence issue into the conversation was a mistake. The question is, because we know Robert Saul is smart enough. He's got one of 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL. Is he doing it as a way to rest back some control of his team or is it just a simple situation? Like when you tell someone don't think about elephants, what do they do? They think about elephants. Is he so twisted up and worried about saying the wrong thing that the wrong thing just barks out of his mouth? And it's like, oh crap, now I got an issue with Aaron. What am I going to do? Either way, it's not a great situation. Jets fans were dismayed after what happened on Sunday. Our producer, one of them at football night, America James Kaminsky, he's already conceding the game on Sunday against the Vikings. I'm not so sure about that because I think it's going to be, you don't know which Jets team is going to show up. And they're not going to have consistency until they iron out some of these issues. All right. Before we go ahead, I will say this too. Sometimes traveling and doing something like that when you go to London, it puts enough space between you and everybody else that your team comes together and is able to build and be kind of outside being their own little bubble that could benefit the Jets. Hit the reset button, get out of town, get away from the New York fans, not necessarily the media, and try to get that fresh start. Okay, the odds that you saw earlier as to Devontay Adams' next destination or at least first snap after the trade deadline. Here to see if Draft King Sportsbook, the number one place to bet touchdowns and new customers can bet $5 and get $200 in bonus bets. Instantly download the app and use promo code PFT Live when you sign up. Draft King Sportsbook, the crown is yours. Please bet responsibly with only the money that you know you can afford to lose. Let's take a break. When we return, Tyree Kill clarifies what we all saw on Monday night. 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