Yeshiva of Newark Podcast
October 7th Special-Halachic Shailos the War Has Engendered-with Dayan Yehoshua Pfeffer
(upbeat music) - You're listening to the Yeshivov New Work podcast. I'm your host and curator, Rabbi I'm from Kevin Ledinch, and I hope you enjoy this episode. (upbeat music) - Problem, on this anniversary of October 7th, I'd like to present again a conversation that I had with the Ainushua Pfeffer, just days after the horrendous attacks. It, I believe it gives us a perspective of where things were and how far things have come. I think it also is a true indicator of how people who are clearly within the Karate world and who are products of it understand the situation, understand the dedication of our soldiers, understand the Maciros Nefish. Some of it, of course, is dated, but I think it is a fitting tribute to not only the kadoshan who died on October 7th, but also the people who are involved in fighting, and winning, and securing, and being most of your Nefish for a while, you sir. (upbeat music) - So, I'm here in the Leonardo Plaza Hotel, and I had (speaks in foreign language) but again, I had no merit for him to come visit me, but we have been connected in so many ways. He's my place actually, 'cause when I had a very serious question, last year, I turned to him, Dinushua Pfeffer, he remembers he's shaking his head, we forgot. You were my place, like, (speaks in foreign language) - Oh, I'm just shaking. - But you have to be shaking last year, remember. - I didn't mean to cut the cards, there's other questions, they get them as frequently, and the most often, so it can be the answer, I'm just saying it for you, and that's it. You know, all the time, just down to shit. - All right, when you're still, I always remember that song, because it allowed me to actually feel the love for, to still the love for my family, and to feel that I had not really betrayed where I come from. So, Dinushua Pfeffer is giving us a couple of minutes, giving me a couple of minutes, tell me what you've been doing since this tragedy, this war has begun, what have you been doing here? - Yeah, so we began, it feels so long ago, but Simkastila was on Shavas, of course, in a sort of Simkastila on Shavas, and the silence began sounding as we were in Harlow, and then there was my shul in my butt, and it's about to do, but what do you do now? The silence does sound like we have a miklat in the shul, everybody went into the ma'amad, the miklat, and we came out, we finished Harlow, but then again, and again, and again, several times, so, and instead of two options, either you do a quick finish divining, and that's it, or you send people home now, and then you see later what's possible. I decided to go with the latter option, it was one of the only places that we stopped, we said that we were stopping divining. We're not finishing, we're going home, it's time to be with family, it's time to be safe, time to be at home, everybody went home, we said we'll reconvene, and three o'clock, if there are no silence between one and three. Kachhava, there were no silence between one and three, reconvene and three, and it was really a very bizarre divining. Three o'clock, you can't redo the coffers, it's a tailor, and then we had a problem, because you have to do menshe performance, if it's already the afternoon. You can't do menshe first, but what do you do menshe? You can't say merde tau, but you have to say merde tau. (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) - It was gashib as a separate thing, but not as part of the phasora sashib. - Not as the phasora sashib. And not an actual-- - Without a cottage. Did you have a cottage? - Did you have a cottage to start out the gashib? - It was after Krasatur, we did Krasatur shavas, and then we had Krasatur of shavas, and then moved from there to Telaskashim, and then Krasatim, and then menshe. And then menshe, it was a very bizarre pillar, I think he still needs to consult with him, but he must arise to make sure that we didn't have to write. So one second, what about Krasatur shavrakh and Bracious? You did it. - Yeah, we did it in the afternoon. (speaks in foreign language) Then you did Bracious, was it Oila? Was Krasatn Bracious, Oila? (speaks in foreign language) - Right, right, right, right, regular. We did regular chosantella chosantella chosantellas, chosantellas, chosantellas, with the regular things became eerie, you know, when we had to-- - But then, we would have done those, though. - But then, we were from here from Minhaha. - Right. - I was sorry, you're taking the safe potato out unnecessarily. I mean-- - We didn't bring it in. We left it out. - We left it out. - And then, you did the Bracious Nohamul. - Yes. - I'm wondering whether Bracious could have been the Oila for both. You know, 'cause for hearts, it's not the same. (speaks in foreign language) - It's the shorter crea. - All right. - And every davening has its own crea. So we had the shavrakh, but it was very bizarre. Anyway, that was the opening shot for our experience. - And at that point, you know, as you say, check out with our washer if it was correct, but you had no awareness at all of what really had occurred. - None of the gravity of the situation, of course not. We had schmoys. We had rumors that there was an infiltration. But of course, nobody was aware of the gravity of the situation. Even machi shavas, when we started to be able to receive news reports, to see what's going on, you know, things only became clear where clarity of this time went on, you know, that the numbers kept growing. I think, you know, on a psychological level, the authoritative and want to reveal the full scale, but they also didn't know the full scale. But a full extent of their trusset here was only revealed later. And by the way, even today, I don't think we've entirely internalized the full extent of their trusset here. - It's just a piggyback, a little bit of what you said. I know that in the hood slarts, I spoke to my friend Rabbi Pupka, and others who knew by the time, you know, that Shandy had arrived when it occurred. And I marveled at the fact that there were a tough voice in the hood slarts on Yontub Shandy. It's almost like, you know, we know, especially, you know, these are all just men hug him, that are very holy, but I was surprised that they went on and they were outside of very strong. I would have thought there would have been a Yoyim, aha, rosova, veils, et cetera, that, you know, again, all right, you're right, some cluster is important. Okay, so, (speaking in foreign language) It's the second day of Shminat Sarah's, you know, locals. So, I always feel like, how can they be dancing? - I'm into mind, I'm into mind over this. Ramesh Sternboth spoke, (speaking in foreign language) And he told a story about his time in Isiva. He learned in London, during the war, under Shnida, the Isiva was called Shnida's. And maybe it had a formal name, that's how everybody knows The Isis. - This was the second-old war? - Yeah. - Second-old was Shnida's in London, and he said that in simple staring, he had this dilemma also. They were free-aware of the kind of atrocities that were going on in Durham. And they were in England, they were able to, you know, they were able to fulfill all the mitzvahs, the mihake, and whatever it is. (speaking in foreign language) They had their fair share of bombings, but by that stage, (speaking in foreign language) they were able to prevent being from fulfilling our mihake, (speaking in foreign language) and we're going to do that on campus. We're going to do that. But I think that in that case, there's something psychological to it also. Meaning there's a possibility that they've given up a likelihood of being so impressed, of being so caught up in all of the horrors and all of the terrible, unspeakable, important words that are coming from Europe, you need them. You need to say no, life continues, you need to be able to do that. As to Russia, right? What about killers of Khassan Taylor? Bracious? The Khassan Bracious, there was a way to Khassan Bracious killers? Should we do regular killers? What should we do? And Rabash has said yes. You should do the killers, but you should turn it down. Turn it down a little bit. You know, no whiskey. But you know what? We had the killers. We're at war. You need to make sure that you maintain morale. Wars are won and lost on public morale. It's literally the story of Erica and the second world war with Doolittle, who attacked Japan. Famous story. And-- - You have to tell me-- - I'm going to be gay in the room. - I have to. - After Pearl Harbor. There's these here-- [INAUDIBLE] the spoiler, a real mess in the American armor at Pearl Harbor. And the Americans were very depressed. It was a very harsh loss. There was significant losses at Pearl Harbor. And the whole question of the war effort was in disarray. It was not partially it. And America, they didn't know what to do exactly. It was very hard to attack Japan. It's too hard. So they found this guy, Doolittle, who was a very experienced and very decorated war pilot. And he came up with a plan. And they exited the plan. They needed aircraft carriers, the Saudis, bombers on to close enough to be able to get there with enough fuel, a little complicated mission. And he managed to bomb Japan. The damage inflicted was pretty negligible. Almost nothing. But in America, almost all the planes came back. Almost all the pilots came back. They were war heroes. It was a whole celebration. And this raised the morale. And this enabled America to really fight with it's heart and soul. And morale wins and loses wars. And so I think that it was very important. - So you made it the awesome, gracious kidish, even though it's being held not by combatants or by fellows with rifles strapped on their shoulders. It's held by Yungalayi, the Bochger, and Mehta. That morale is going to somehow distill itself into the greater morale of the whole you should hear and hear it's strong. Is that what you're saying? - Absolutely. I think it's strong and boring. When you have a country that has a high morale that has a commitment, a dedication, an enthusiasm. Yes, we're going towards a Mehta, we're in Le chamel chamel sham. And we're doing it with a full appreciation that yes, there will be losses, of course, but this is what we need to do. It's the right thing. And we're doing it with a full spirit, with a spiritedness that wins the war. You know, you speak about Yungalayi and Balabati and whatever it is, but you know the level of volunteer activity that's going on in the simple communities and really to communities and from everywhere, whichever communities everywhere is staggering. And my own home became a chamel, an operation room for sending out provisions to different bases in Israel. How did it happen? Because I have two daughters who are 18 and 20, 21 actually, who are at home. And they became members of these different, different activity groups. OK, and all of a sudden they get in requests from bases from soldiers. Now, all of a sudden, my daughter is speaking to, you know, 10 different bases, 10 different soldiers every day. You know, she starts telling me, "Daddy, I'm totally, you know, all these boys. I've got this to this." But she's literally speaking to soldiers from bases. We need this, we need this, we need underwear, we need clothing, we need food. These bases that we've been having, we've been eating snacks for the last 36 hours. We don't have any food, so my daughter's organized it. And it's so easy. You put it out on a group, we need X, Y, Z. Within a couple of hours, the living room is full of food. Incredible. Next message, we need somebody to drive out. So this in this space, within 10 minutes, we have 10 volunteers, literally-- - With armored cars. - To drive out, not armored cars. You don't need armored cars. But that's what makes a wall. You need to have a strong civilian commitment. And this is out of it. That's where the killer, I think, was very important. Now, is this the same truth for the United States and the United States? Not necessarily. I didn't-- - Right, because-- - Americans, although, as you know, I've told you here, here in the Plaza Hotel, these Nazis of Americans, North Americans, who are paying for hundreds of families, not just in there, but from lavish meals for them three times a day, clothes that are coming in. The Americans are doing what they always do when this happens. And I remember even as a little boy in the '67 war, but what was happening with the all around my neighbors and friends and parents, the money that's becoming in this immense, and the feel that are happening, the collections that are going on. I am sure that if they would have-- look at the tote board, as they say, the American communities are the ones throughout, and I'm getting emails from those that are really-- - Of course. - But I think probably they should be, somehow share the, if not the avangos, but at least the seriousness to the point, that, let's say, the Simra, you should just forget-- - You should be subdued in some way, but at least the day-- - You should get lost at the hosna to the point that you forget-- - Right. - Every home had the day for the furban. - Yeah, but for now, it's the tragedy, the scale of the tragedy. - Tell me, tell me about the other soccer you mentioned. I know you told me on the phone that you're also working with Nachau. - With yes, Netsaf, you heard a-- - Netsaf, you heard a-- - Netsaf, you heard a little bit of your work there. - Well, don't Netsaf, you're down. Netsaf, you're down is a battalion of Haredi soldiers serving in the IDF. It's a battalion, but it's also more than a battalion, meaning the organization, it's a civic organization, that services Haredi soldiers in the IDF, both in the battalion and outside of the battalion, but now it's not just the battalion. Now we have 20,000 reservists who have been called up. You know, there are many, many soldiers who have been through Netsaf, you heard over the years, and now, first of all, you have to witness the enthusiasm of these soldiers to believe it. Their mamas waiting to go into Gaza, they're waiting to pick up the fight, they're waiting to, to, to avenge the blood of Yidden that was spilled ruthlessly, brutally, unspeakably, really just unspeakable, you know, the most inch humane. You know, Kishinaev is, is nothing, and nothing has to say on him, but at the scale. - So when you, you are a rabbinic advisor for Nachau, you were, what's your, what's your official, my mob? You're just, you know, it's just, you're-- - So, so I'm, I am, so I'm, I'm involved with Netsaf, Haredi, ever since Mira, very very much nice, asked me to, to be involved. Can we ask how to represent? He was often consulted with about matters in Netsaf, Haredi, and it was important that, that somebody from, is a circle and so on, to meet him, should be the time. - Or some of the, the time also on the executive court, I'm a part of the organization. - Yeah. - The, the, the Haredi, you know, young men that come into the IDF to join Netsaf, Haredi and so on, are not generally coming from the most stable and, and the most, you know, a place of, of, of, the British guide and, and so on, and family. - And some of them, some of them, too. - That's why they need the organization to give them the support. The support is, first and foremost, rabbinic support. It's rabbanim. And those rabbanim are, I would call them in a, in a certain sense, it's Kira rabbanim. You know, they're coming and they're doing an amazing, amazing, amazing job with, with, with these young men who need a certain degree of rehabilitation often, but listen, but once they're there, they can reach amazing achievements. And it's, it's, it's, it's supremely gratifying to see these young men who are not used to being big achievers. They used to be failures. And all of a sudden, they find themselves. They find, you know, new craze that they didn't even know they had of dedication, of commitment, of courage, of leadership. Some of them become commanders. They do, of course, to name, they do commando courses and they become commanders and, and they, and they lead, you know, the, the, the, the, the makhrapat or, you know, different groups that they're able to lead of, of soldiers and, and, and of course, this is what we need. We need these, these role models that will actually make it both in terms of their religious commitment, in terms of from, and of course, we work very hard on that to set up a proper curriculum. Are they going to be learning shirram, davening and, you know, the, a listen, ultimately, the percentage, the growth of the Yeshiva society, Haredi society, and now it's a straw, is going to come to a, to a place where the Haredi society will need to take greater responsibility and, you know, it's a straw for everything, for all the different institutions, for all the different branches, including the idea. And, and, and this is the model, you know, to create this model is a, is a, is a no, no question that it's a, it's a bit of a rabbit. There's no, no question about it. And, and right now you see just how meaningful it is. These boys going to the south, they're all going, they're going to fight. They're not going just to be, you know, as spectators. They're going to fight, they want to fight, they, they, they want to be a part of it, that they appreciate this is (speaks in foreign language) in the (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) right, we're good, we're going to, this is, this is the Arabs. This is what the Arabs, the Hamas wants to do. They want to destroy the Jewish people. And that's cool that the Gamal learned from, from the Serkim in (speaks in foreign language) that that's cool, signing not just of the Jewish people, but of the Jewish people of (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) Meaning anyone who fights against the Jewish people, it's fighting against the political. (speaks in foreign language) And, and, and it's, it's amazing that we. - So, so I think what you're saying is, is that they're drawing on the background, which was muddled at one point, because I would say the difficulties that might have had growing up. But now it's coming back to the fore and being embodied in a courage and a powerful sense of commitment. In other words, maybe even in a way that did not, or the people he doesn't have. Because so, of course so, they did go to those same (speaks in foreign language) and they did hear about the (speaks in foreign language) And maybe now it's galvanizing, galvanizing them in a way that it never did before. What sort of shy was- - Right, I just want to say on this one. There are many who have a lot of courage too. - Yes. - You're right that maybe there's a little bit less going to crevigo into combat duty, a lot less, from Tel Aviv and so on than there used to be. But there are still many (speaks in foreign language) that have a lot of courage. What I would say though, is that we need from people in the idea, because the army needs to be an army that has a (speaks in foreign language) We need an army, which is not going to declare (speaks in foreign language) but (speaks in foreign language) We need to do the (speaks in foreign language) but we need to declare (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) I feel that the success of the idea of going forward is to have people with stronger manner. And the idea of people will say (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) A part of the terrible calamity, part of the part of the terrible failure of the idea of protecting sound, is related to a certain arrogance, is related to a certain phenograph complacency, which is a kirk about the Miyagi place. And you need to have that amount to feel an antidote to that complacency. - Is it possible, and again, (speaks in foreign language) But we know (speaks in foreign language) You know, I mentioned how, I was at a sea of last week in Yeshiva (speaks in foreign language) which is a run by my good friend (speaks in foreign language) It's on the street, it's named after (speaks in foreign language) It's called, it's the street (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) So that's where they built the Yeshiva there. So there was a Seem and the (speaks in foreign language) an American boy had made a Seem and he was beside myself, (speaks in foreign language) And of course, the last couple of words were (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) So they danced around after they finished the Seem and they said, (speaks in foreign language) So I passed out the liquor, was a Tennessee liquor (speaks in foreign language) So I said, I just want to say, you know, that we just read that (speaks in foreign language) said their people are going to say that, you know, that the idea that they have Plasian, people weren't trained in mid-seas. What do we just read? What do you just messiah? You're just messiahing that everyone needs to throw a few of Plasian's throw. I'm like, Mrs. Kareem, I'm (speaks in foreign language) or she'll get ahead and she'll let this man. What we saw unleashed on Shminyat Terrace was the aura of getting them. And yes, it might affect them, but it's not going to be showing it. My point though, not just to impress you with the Jewish and the idea that came into my head is that Zelluma said, "Our enemies are sewn in." This, this, this, amoleic, like Arab manifestation have quote, unquote, and they have the type of... (speaks in foreign language) And Ramban is impressed by the Ramana, but, but, so two points on this. First of all, like, like every human being, we have a lot of different elements within us. So they have a mana on the one hand, but on the other hand, they're still Sunni soil because they're fighting against the Jewish people, they represent the people in the world, we're a ambassador position, we bring the light of us into the world. They're fighting against the Jews and they're Sunni strong in that, but more than that. They have a mana, but a mana, say you heard, is not just the leaf in a great God, right? And they say God is great, but it's not, that's not what a mana, say you heard it about. A mana, say you heard it about Derek Hashem. (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) Hashem has a Derek in the world, and their Derek is the opposite of everything that I call the spoken represents, the murderous, the types of atrocities that the heinous crimes against humanity, nobody can compare to even speak. That's a manic, that's a manic thing. A manic, the evil of a manic is an evil of murder. A manic murders the Jewish people, (speaks in foreign language) And Agag is a murder, (speaks in foreign language) and Hamam is murderous and the Nazis were murderous and Hamam is murderous. And this is a malic day, this is not Derek Hashem. So they made a year, God is great, God is great indeed, but that's not Derek Hashem, and that's not a menace. And you have a 30-year-old question, you keep asking me about Shylith. Well, you know what, you mentioned unity. You, I just want to point out, partially throughout, by the unity, I had a debate, I would say, discussion slash debate with a friend. And he was saying, first of all, we have to preach chival, because look at what happened to us. When terrible things happened, Medaf Chivalton, and look, how did it happen? Because it was his party, his nature party, and it was totally worse than terrible. It was no good, so to Medaf Chivalton, I told him this and my friend. I told him, we have to preach unity. And I brought it from (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) And (speaks in foreign language) he brings that from the belt, the rope, amazing. He brings it from the belt, the rope. They're the same thing, there were people there, he says, "Hosu people," or title poems, he was there. And they were telling him, "We have to tell people to (speaks in foreign language) "and to the chival and the shilay name and everything else." "This is during the war." And the belt is said, "There's one thing "that's going to bring the guerla, and that's the arthas. "We need to preach arthas." And look at what happened, when did this calamity before us? After the Jewish people, Ha'amah Youshah Pizzioye reached a level of period, a level of discord, and disharmony, and even a certain animosity, certain mama's animosity between groups. And now, all of a sudden, we're together, why are we together? Because we have this common enemy that brings us together, so the arthas, but shilay, so many shilas, what can I tell you? First of all, shilay shilas, you know, what do you do? Yeah, you're at war. So you have to know how to handle the sirens, and the mikla team, and answering phones, and your kids are in the army. And they're calling on shilay shilay, you answer, do you not answer, you know, so many questions of what do you do on shilay, not just that, there's an effort. Just to respond. Again, I think part of it is recognizing what is an isterda risa, what is not an isterda risa, what does answering a cell phone entail? That's also true. So in a different place, you might see a note of relating to it. I'm going to get into it now. No, no, no, no. Again, just speaking a little bit of shock, part of it is if you do have, there's a mother, or a child, or, and we know the type of effect it might have. So therefore, if there's, if answering the cell phone that's already been charged, is only an isterda risa, then it's, you have a soldier who will die in theft. That's what you need to do. And he'll tell you, whether you should answer the phone or not, based on your emotional situation and your situation, especially if you have a medical condition that anyway makes you anxious or something like that. That's what I would say shooting from later. I don't remember. And if you left the light off in the Mclaats, can you put it on on showers? You know, there's so many questions of this type, you know, but there was much, there was many others also, questions of pigeon's swimming. Okay, you're trying to do something to get the hostages out of Gaza, and you're working with America, and you're working through diplomatic channels. What's matter what's answer? What can you do on top of pigeon's swim, you know? So, well, what can you do? - And you can contact us. - And other... - You can contact us. - But the types of questions, yeah. And of course, gay, okay, providing gay. One of the things that Netzakh Yoona that we're trying to do is to provide gay. The army will intrude state down 350,000 reserve soldiers over two or three days. That's a staggering number. It was very, you know, it was very badly organized. It was well organized, but given the situation, you can't expect things to be all smooth and wonderfully organized when we're speaking about this kind of scale. And there were many soldiers who didn't have the kind of gay that they wanted or needed. And then... - So we are... - Here, as in... - Tactical gay, helmets, bulletproof fast, night vision, all this kind of stuff, and also more simple stuff also. - But what would be the shire one? So the shire would be, it's sharp as now. Can you carry on making the efforts to get the gay, to bring it in as soon as possible, because it's gonna make a difference. You know, and that's something that Netzakh Yoona do organization is busy with, and that's what we're raising money for, to get gay for soldiers who still require it. So there were plenty of... - Questions, but... - Alachic issues, that... - Can we make the calls? Can we send someone with a car to bring the gear to that area? - Yeah, of course, of course. - And how, in other words, so you have to be sure it collects actually how important the gear is. - Yeah, it's very direct, very, very direct with questions, of course. - Up to go out to Netzakh, Mamish. - Yeah, it's wartime, and you have to also understand that wartime is different from peacetime. There's two gamalas that speak about this, the Manchavas and the gamala in the street. And then Seita, that speaks (speaking in foreign language) and when you have a manchavas, so... So I'm speaking about that in Manchavas, when you're Tsar, when the Jewish people make him a Tsar, make a siege against an enemy nation. (speaking in foreign language) You don't have to make a siege three days before Tsar. But once you start... - I read it. (speaking in foreign language) - Once you're in war, then it's even on Tsar. The whole time now, in that gamala itself. So some say that (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) You don't have to think. The moment you start thinking you lose the war, you can't think, oh, this is a (speaking in foreign language) No, for (speaking in foreign language) you don't need the brush of (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) - Right. (speaking in foreign language) - Basically, (speaking in foreign language) work in a different way, right? (speaking in foreign language) It's not the normal (speaking in foreign language) It's not the question, is this (speaking in foreign language) No, (speaking in foreign language) is a whole different state. In other words, the fact that there's a (speaking in foreign language) already shows you that you're not (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) People get killed. - That's right. - It's amazing. (speaking in foreign language) And people don't get killed in (speaking in foreign language) But still you've made you go in (speaking in foreign language) The whole different reality and (speaking in foreign language) And today we're in the state of war. This is war. We don't know, (speaking in foreign language) We're gonna go into Gaza. God willing, and we need to go into Gaza. One of the, you know, to keep us safe. It's (speaking in foreign language) But also, so to eradicate the evil of Hamas, it's our job now. It's our privilege to be able to teach the world how to deal with evil. The world, the Western world has forgotten how to deal with evil. Because we think no one's really evil. Everyone's really okay. It's just a different narrative. And if we just, and that's what we thought too. We thought, yeah, well, economic cooperation. You have a sadder. We'll desecorate. You know, and you hear the statements that will be made. - And their leaders themselves made. All of this was subterfuge. They kept it. They were able to hold for years. - Yeah. And we were, we were duped. And you look at the statements made at the time of the (speaking in foreign language) and the statements that were made even recently. Yeah, you know, they would never want to contemplate. Blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, you think that, yeah, that you're dealing with regular people. But no, there's the right in the world. There's even in the world. And you can't contain evil. You have to eradicate the evil. And the West has forgotten how to do this. And they think, oh, you have proportionality. You have to be proportional. Both of us are on the same page that the more we kowtow to our Western friends, the more we sort of submit to the charges and say, no, we're not going to be monstrous. 'Cause that's what we're being accused of. I think every single second is crucial. And it's unfortunate that you can already see there's a little bit of, there's already, you know, like a sense of holding back. Let me just finish off with two points. First of all, in terms of getting back the pitch we're in for one second, I don't know. It's such a bitter, intractable situation. I don't know if Robonam are being consulted because probably these decisions are being made. - No, this was a private initiative. This was a private initiative connected to Christians, getting a whole very large group of evangelicals in America to have sway in government, to try to impact the United States government. Oh, and not even directly, meaning both through the United States government and also through other Christian groups that are involved with Gaza to try to get to suppression and to save at least some, or to do something, you know, anything that can be done in that space is immediately required. - Yes, last thing to learn, but you know, I've told you about how impressed I am on your site that you are the, I think the chief editor of Sarafir. - Sarafir, yes. - And this is definitely Sarafir. - Yeah. - No, till now it's Sarafir. Bye bye for the gosh. This is a Sarafir that we have to come up with an answer for. So how is, are you still, is Sarafir still a processing? Are you writing these articles or people sending things? - So Sarafir, yes, of course. You know, it's still in the opening phases of this war, this campaign. And we don't know Ma'yula, do you? But even now, people need to be able to read something, at least to read the question marks, to read the initial, you know, initial thoughts about what's going on. How do we process this? - Well, I do. - And especially by the way, from the Khaledi perspective. - Yes. - Which is, I think this is very much a game changer, a real game changer in the relationship between Khaledi society and the state of Israel in the civic sense, in the army sense, in the military sense, and just generally, because of course the army is not just another issue. It's a core issue, you know, in America, we like to speak about civic values, but you know, the civic duty in America to pay your taxes, which is great, we're very important. But the civic duty in Israel is to give three years of your life in army service. It's a whole different ball game. And this is a big deal, and for me, do not generally serve in the idea. Of course, Tom Dub, we have Neter Huda, but it's a certain type, and a certain profile, and so on. The direct general, for me, decided out in Germany, and right now we're seeing a whole different kind of reaction. On the one hand, I have to say, you know, to say with integrity, the Yeshivas went back early in order to give the extra screuse of Limitera. And you know, I have, you know, kids and Tomitim in Yeshivas, and it's amazing. They're really learning with a smart art sumo, and that's a screuse for the Jewish people. But other than the Yeshivas, in the Haredi space generally, the initiatives, the willingness, the ratsang, the desire to be involved, to recruit for different jobs in the idea of you. Not gonna be now a combat soldier within two days, but there's so much that can still be done. And thousands who have stepped forward and said, yes, I want to be a part of this. I want to be a partner in this. So this is very meaningful. And what does it mean for us going forwards? How does this look? It is a big question. - Yes, I agree with you. And again, let me just push back a little bit. I know you are never going to be a staunch critic of the Yeshiva vote, because it's the, and I am also in a way a product of that same world as you are. However, what I, I know that the Rosh Hashiva said, talk it to say of Shoshop Goyun, which again, pay Gimmo, I think is more appropriate in some place they can say pay Gimmo. - Well, what do they say? - In other words, that's saying, you know, Yeshiva say so. - Yeshiva, oh, tell me how to say it. - Yeah, they have. But also they said. - I think they give him and his mom is the most appropriate. - No, I agree with that. I was, I wasn't reminded by Chairman. I saw that that's what they were circulating. But one thing they did not do was a special kilo for the Huyelung. - Oh, really? - And wait, wait, one second. And also the Tsar from Gravelau, and from Mr. Huyelung said, was the continuous angle of the volcano. I don't know if that, I don't know if they stopped. That's also there to continue. Again, it's (speaks in foreign language) And the idea, again, which allowed us, I know that you, again, I'm offering to myself, do you? - No, I have my choice for you. And I've written about this. - Yeah, but we're here, don't worry. We don't hold back. - Yes, we don't hold back. - But my point is just that, yes, don't just write out there. Like I saw, they're going up, we're going up. They're going, they're being called up. We're going to be called up to Teiro (speaks in foreign language) Again, yes, we have to do Teiro (speaks in foreign language) Don't make the shtavut. Recognize that at this moment, they are our shtavut. Recognize that this is the shtavut. Yes, again, this idea of, again, (speaks in foreign language) This idea of comparison. The same way we can, we cannot compare the Mr. Huyelung definition coming early and learning special in Yohnam and Leibwood and trying to tell them after davening, we have to recognize that how much they are giving their lives, how we have to love them and care for them when your daughters are doing. That has to be stressed. (speaks in foreign language) I agree strongly with this. I think that anybody who makes an equivalence between army service, where people are literally endangering their lives. And Yeshiva's study, that's a deep moral failing. I would say it's morally abhorrent. It's absolutely wrong to make any such equivalence. And the two two of them are not connected. We need soldiers to defend us. We need Teiro for a purpose, right? The soldiers are defending a country that empowers limitera, natska, valvig. But these are two different (speaks in foreign language) that are not connected. You can be famous, not to make a artist or Teiro, but in the evening you come home, you get a good meal. That's not the same if being famous, not to be literally on the army field. Any equivalence from my perspective is a moral failing. It's a moral wrong. If you make that equivalence, it's only, it's being done, I would say in a slightly cynical way. Because the Bahrain that they feel that they're not living up to their duty, they're not serving, they're not doing what they have to do. So you have to give them a feeling that they're participating and that's important. I'd say not to make the (speaks in foreign language) I would even say what I'm showing you now, and again, it was an ad that was produced by a very, very close friend of mine, my former roommate, very good friend about, okay, what do we have to do? We have to, right? Teiro and Teiro are our weapons. Shmira Saloshon is the prerequisite for their effectiveness. Yes, you have to be mocked but on Shmira Saloshon especially now. But again, the whole aspect of this ad is to me, once again, right now, it's about (speaks in foreign language) it's about recognition, it's about (speaks in foreign language) it's about how much we have to love. And this is cringe running. Yes, yes, and again, what should be said, and again, I've said it already many times on this. Again, people talking about the (speaks in foreign language) that were not, that were spared because they were shot as, you know, tell those stories 10 years from now. No, well, you know, one of the (speaks in foreign language) that the story was told in his name, he went publicly on the record, said, (speaks in foreign language) I would never say such a thing. Anybody who says such a thing is a (speaks in foreign language) and he was quoted by some (speaks in foreign language) as saying this, and he said it's (speaks in foreign language) whoever quoted me is a (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) This is this rabbi that was quoted as saying (speaks in foreign language) He said it's vicious to say such a thing. - Especially now, and you know, I'm so glad that we had a meeting of not only together to sit here and to give me so much time, but the meaning of the minds, you know, you're becoming (speaks in foreign language) you know, you are here on the front lines, (speaks in foreign language) giving so much (speaks in foreign language) - No, not (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) - Yes, I just make the same (speaks in foreign language) - I just make the same (speaks in foreign language) - It's all just (speaks in foreign language) our heroes, they're on the front lines, they're the ones being most in efforts. They get all of the praise and all of the attention. We stand behind them and we do whatever we can. - No, I just tell you, I had to look up certain words. One of the words I had to look up because I was (speaks in foreign language) So I was thinking it's a strange term because, you know, the (speaks in foreign language) is of course the back of the neck, right? And yet the (speaks in foreign language) is really what the home front, these are your commands that need to be safe. So I was wondering what that was about. I don't know if that's the idea, but what came to me was that basically they are with their face outward towards the enemy. It's true, their orifice is to us. And therefore we have to realize the concentration has to be, as you said, to be my (speaks in foreign language) to do whatever it is to destroy that infrastructure. And they are being pwned this way. We are behind them. It's the orifice that in a sense is where we're looking at. We have to recognize that is the (speaks in foreign language) of the Medina, the (speaks in foreign language) and we of course have to be behind them in any possible way. - You already told me not to comment on your dress. I'm not gonna comment on your dress, but actually the idea is of course 100% true and it's part of the (speaks in foreign language) - (speaks in foreign language) - We're gonna get to (speaks in foreign language) we'll be talking, hopefully, in the (speaks in foreign language) not only in (speaks in foreign language) but the (speaks in foreign language) the sea change, the (speaks in foreign language) that maybe of course, as we say, is the (speaks in foreign language) Thanks a lot so much. Thanks a lot, everybody. We'll catch you next time. Be well. (upbeat music) - Thank you so much for listening to this episode. I hope you liked what you heard. 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