(upbeat music) - We're back in on Canucks Central, it's Dan Reachow and Sadt T.R. Shaw. Trade deadline day. In the books, it's in the rear view. Canucks did not make any deals. We just spoke with Patrick Alveen in a very telling interview. We are in the Kintech Studio. Kintech, Canada's favorite electronics provider, powered by thousands of five-star Google reviews. Sword feet, what are you waiting for? Kintech. Canucks Central is for enzyme-Pacific Vancouver's premier Chrysler, Dodge Ram and Jeep Superstore on 2nd Avenue between Canby and Maine, or at enzyme-Pacific Chrysler.ca and our trade deadline coverage today on Sportsnet 650 brought to you by AJ's Pizza. There was a lot of coverage, but not a lot of Vancouver Canucks trades to break down. And by not a lot, I mean none, nil. Absolutely nothing. And that is surprising. We had a stunned Sadt T.R. Shaw on the bullpen today. When the deadline came and went and the Canucks had not made a move. - Well, considering how active they were too. - And yeah, they were very active. They were on the phone. - Yeah, Ben who called it on Monday. - Yeah, Ben did call it on Monday. - Producer Ben called it on Monday. He set the drinks out, sent out the bad voodoo, and packed it all. - And usually, hey, they don't expect too many trades. It's always like the Grim Reaper when it comes to trades. - So that was like, no, they're making like two or three. It's pretty much set in stone. And they made zero. But it wasn't like they didn't try, right? And that's where this story gets interesting. I mean, if you go back and listen to our interview with Patrick and we joked about him not making any moves today, while everybody else was, what did he say? Well, I was knocking on the door and nobody let me in. - Yeah. - So it's pretty apparent as much as they like their group and they're pretty excited about what they have to build here, they wanted to add to this group. So you can tell us one thing, but it's very obvious. They wanted to add to this group. It's just it came at a cost that was too uncomfortable for them. - Yeah. And they also were very much in on, say the top three guys kind of left in the trade market outside of Hanifen. I'd say Hanifen was the one big guy they probably weren't in on heavily. No, I don't know if they had discussions or not, but I don't think that was a guy that was very high on the rate or in terms of a priority. But TANF, they were in on obviously Gensil and Tyler Tifoli. And I think-- - Finalist for Gensil, seemingly like up until the last minute when the Winnipeg Jets came out of left field, it sounded like Vancouver was the favorite for Tyler Tifoli. - Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if last night they went to bed thinking they had a decent chance of getting Tifoli or at least that they were pretty good and they had a good chance at doing. So I don't know if they had the same confidence for Gensil, I think it was pretty clear. And they were kind of letting people know that, hey, we're working at this, but we don't think we're gonna pull this off, considering what Carolina can do, what they want, Pittsburgh, and what we can't offer and what we can't offer. - Well, I mean, the three prospects Carolina put in the deal just doesn't, you don't have to look too far or ask too many people to find out that those were pretty much better than anything Vancouver could have offered outside of Velander and Lecker Macke. - Yeah, and at least in Pittsburgh's eyes. - Yeah, and I also think what it also shows too is like outside of those guys from Vancouver, you know, Velander, Lekera Macke, and then DPD too, who's a guy that teams have obviously been high on, connects them and reluctant to move. The other guys don't quite have a ton of trade value, you know, or at least not the type of trade value that moves the needle enough. And I think put Colson is fascinating because I think he's in the same spot as the whole lander was last year, where he went from being a guy who had value not long ago to, you know, what is he, we don't know, like, you know, is he going to figure it out or not? And then, whole lander had a great year and now all of a sudden is a big asset to the team. But Colson, can he rewrite the script the same way, right? And 'cause I think that there's a player there obviously, but I don't think his value was really there. So I don't think there was a lot the connects could have done if they weren't willing to move with Lander Leckera Macke and also whole lander. So if you're not doing those things, it's kind of like, it's hard to make the deals that other teams were able to make. Onto Foley, because it was a second and because it was a third, conceivably future picks too. - Yeah. - Something the connects could have probably figured out one way or another. That's the one you look at and say, what else could they have done potentially? But it wasn't as simple for Vancouver as it was for Winnipeg. - Where just, they didn't, Winnipeg didn't have to get a third party in on it. - Vancouver would have had to either move a salary or get a third party in on it, which meant they would have had to pay more than just a second and a third to do it. - Yeah. And as much as I like Tyler to Foley, it starts to get to a point where, if I set a value on a player and this is what I'm willing to pay for it, if I'm having to pay this amount more, it's like you go to the car dealership and you're negotiating and you're like, this is what I wanna pay for the car. And I'm not gonna go a dollar over it. - Yeah, it's true, right? Is that one though, because of the price where you look at and say, I think it's fair if you were disappointed, they didn't find a way to make that happen, right? Even if you had to pay a little extra fee for it, I understand that one to Foley. Everything else though, it's just stuff Vancouver, I just don't think he made a ton of sense for them. - Well, there was Duhamme in the last couple of days. - Going for a fourth. - Bear Banov, I thought, was somebody that was going to move. He did not end up moving. San Jose had a flurry of other deals that came in right at the end. They swapped goalies with New Jersey, Vitek Vanacek for Capocaconin. They made the big hurdle trade with the Vegas gold tonight, so maybe they just prioritized other things than moving out Alex Barabanov, I don't know, but it's not like there wasn't other options out there for Vancouver, it's more just how much of a needle mover would it really have been, right? Do we want to waste or throw away a little bit more draft capital when we're feeling like our prospect pool already isn't stacking up with some other teams. If we want to go to war or into bidding war's next deadline, now that we feel with Pedersen's sign, we've got a window here of the next couple of years that we want to be knocking on the door. We've got to have bullets in the chamber to be able to trade then as well. So it comes down to just how much did you want to expose yourself for bottom of the lineup guys that may or may not make a difference to your roster. - So right now the Canucks don't have a third round pick in 2025 and do not have a third round pick in 2026. And potentially could also lose their third round pick this year if the Canucks make it to the conference finals. - Right. - So they could be looking at a case they don't have three third round picks in a row, right? - And if they lose their third round pick this year, they won't have a pick in the first three rounds of this year's draft. - Yeah, it'll be the fourth round and they don't have a one, they also don't have a fifth round pick, they also don't have a second, they don't have a first, right? - Yeah. - At some point, if you're looking at trading say a second and a third, so you're talking about a second 2027 third and then another pick as well, then you're talking about maybe not having a third round pick for four years and then you're looking at, okay, now you also don't have a fourth round pick, you know, this year and next year potentially, right? - Yeah. - And then you look at maybe an extra pick because you're trying to outbid other teams for it. All of a sudden you are at a massive pick deficit and that means you pretty much can't be a buyer at a deadline for another year or two. - Yeah. - And what about next season? - There is a level where you have to stop to your point. - Yes. - Now, I don't want to get into the off season too much, Dan, but given the volatility in this roster with so many free agents. - Yes. - And guys heading into the final years of their eligibility like Heronic or term like Brock Besser, they have options this off season. Could they recoup a lot of picks doing different things? Potentially they could, right? But that's also something that's down the road, right? So I think once the Tifoli thing got into, you have to move more than two picks and potentially more like three picks and the prospects aren't cutting it. At some point you have to draw a line like you said and as we just outlined the pick situation, I just think it got a bit too expensive for them in the end. - I'm not overly upset that the Canucks haven't done anything today. Their big move was Lindholm. The focus has to be getting Lindholm going on this roster. I thought last night he showed quite a bit in that third line role. I think having pod coals in there has actually helped that line because he's played pretty well in his first three games back up with the big club. Him and Garland are starting to get some chemistry together. Garland scored last night. Lindholm makes a great play at the blue line to help facilitate that goal. Like there's some goodness starting to develop there with Elias Lindholm. They made their big move. It's not like they've been completely quiet here at the deadline. They made the move for Zadorov. They made the move for Friedman. They made the move for Lafferty and to Smith. They've made a lot of trades within this calendar year of the NHL season that has put the team in the place that it's currently in. So missing out on bottom six types, not overly concerned about it. Missing out on Jake Genssel, it would have been a nice to have with Jake Genssel. But again, that's a player, especially with his stature, with the cost that's going to come into that, you're going to want to be able to try and sign that player. So going the extra mile without having any certainty of a contract in place would have been difficult to do. - Yeah. - And same goes for Tifoli, right? Who, given some of the rhetoric, it sounds like he wants his next destination, his next contract to be somewhere in the United States of America. So, I mean, it's hard, especially when we're talking about rentals. And these are guys that are only going to help for this year. And that's where I also say to the Canucks, like I actually commend them for not over exposing themselves in a year where they've already spent quite a bit of draft capital, future capital, to get where they are right now. - And by all accounts, they even checked in and maybe even try to do something with the likes of Vittrano and Butchnevich. - Well, I'll be clearly said, like, there's some things that we talked about here that we could revisit in the summer. - Exactly. And I know I am back, brought both those guys up today and last night as well about guys looking, you know, I don't think I am just mentions that out of, you know, just maybe. So I totally believe they were looking at those guys too. But the problem with both those players becomes, it would be expensive number one, but you're also talking about pretty significant moves that affect the roster. With Genssel, you could retain. To fully, you could retain. Tough for to get Butchnevich to retain when he has two years left and the cost of getting them to retain. That's like three first round pick value, right? So I think that becomes a bit more difficult. And also the salary that has to go out the door the other way. - Yeah. - So ultimately, I think those things were just too complicated to pull off at the deadline. The question is, is your depth strong enough now? - This is what you have. The deadlines come and past, you know, and you know, the Lindholm trade, you're right. I think we're starting to see the real benefits of it. The last couple of games, especially last night too, against Vegas. But what do we think of the Canucks depth right now, up front and on the blue line? - So you get, again, this is assuming full health. - Yeah. - They're still about a month, a month and a little bit in the season remaining. But you get Joshua back. Essentially your 13th and 14th forwards become, however you want to slice it facility pod coals and nils Oman and fill the Giuseppe. Like those three, maybe you throw our steep banes into that mix. So there's your 13th, 14th, 15th forwards. Yeah, it is somewhat uninspiring. They are energy guys. They don't provide a ton of scoring pop. Maybe pod coals and could. We'll see how that develops. But I kind of look like I'm, as encouraged by pod coals and from what we've seen these last three games, especially last night, didn't look at a place against a really good Vegas team. I know you guys talked about it a ton on the post game show, but holding onto the puck more, making plays on the ice. Not just, you know, not being deer and headlights, right? And making bad mistakes, overthinking, hesitant, as we saw before he spent his time in the AHL. On defense, like Mark Friedman's gonna be your eighth guy, assuming you get Tyler Myers back and everybody's healthy, you could do better there. But is it the end of the world? No, I think other teams have done worse with less. Yeah, of course, right? Ultimately. Or more with less. Yeah, and ultimately it comes down to health. Your top guys, matchups in the playoffs, you need things to go your way, right? Like all these things have to kind of happen. But looking at their forward group, the biggest question we had, and it's clear by what they went after, Genssel and Tofoli very hard, and weren't able to pull it off. Top six winger, especially somebody to play with Patterson, is suitor going to be that guy. I think Hoaglander has been terrific lately, and I'm comfortable riding that still, right? Hoaglander and Patterson. The third guy there. Yeah. It's, do you just wanna throw a kids there, and see if you get put coals in a chance at some point? I mean, put coals in, it looked good the last couple of games. I thought it looked really good, but Linhollman and Garland last time. I think if Pod coals in keeps playing like this, he kind of fills Hoaglander's role on the fourth line. And that, to me, I'm okay with. As far as suitor goes, I'm not, I mean, look, I like suitor as a player. I think there's a lot there. He does, he reads the game well, defensive instincts are great. He always seems to get his stick on pucks because it's always in the right lane. And generally, the ice is tilted in the Canucks favor when he's on the ice this year. I'm not sure what to think of pew suitor in my top six going into a playoff series. Like that's, I haven't seen anything to dislike pew suitor. I know he hasn't scored in forever since he had that hat trick against St. Louis, but the line has looked generally good since they've put it together over these last few games. I just, it doesn't inspire a ton of confidence that Patterson's going to go into a playoff series flanked by Nils Hoaglander and pew suitor. It just doesn't. - Yeah, the Hoaglander one, I think Hoaglers are so good lately. And I've been skeptical of him throughout this, but I feel comfortable again with him there. With suitor, I just don't know, but he's been fine, right? It's a baseline that you can get past with, you get by with, but can you really push in the postseason with that? You know, like he's not the fastest guy, not the biggest guy. How will that play and translate in the postseason? - When a pace picks up in the playoffs, how's that going to look? - Yeah, now he can pick up his pace too. He's gritty, right? You saw it last night, goes to the net, gets into a scrum with Theodore. Like he's not afraid of mixing it up. He's not afraid of playing, right? - It's very unassuming, but you know, he's not afraid to muck it up with the extracurriculars once in a while. - No, he's not. He's a passionate hockey player, right? So I love what he's brought to the roster and the depth. It's more about, can you truly be a guy on your top six? Or is it going to be something we see a lot of rotation? - Yeah. - You know, where he has a run while he's playing well, and then maybe he'll try some other guys out and we'll see how it all kind of comes together over the next little bit. But that's the thing that I just wonder about, is the top six. Like I feel good about the depth down in the bottom six, to be honest. Would it have been nice to add another gritty forward with some pace? I would have liked to seen that in the roster, especially with how Sam Lafferty's really tailed off. Like Lafferty needs to kind of bring-- - He's played better these last few games. - He's been a bit better, but I want to see him get back to being, you know, a bit nastier, you know, like use that speed and that forward checking ability a bit more, get in and throw the body a bit more and don't be afraid of mixing it up. Like, that thing in the postseason, you can bring that. But I feel pretty good about the bottom six mix, right? The center mix is terrific, especially if you do run with Lindholm, Patterson, and Miller down the middle and blue growing your fourth line, plus you have a suitor that can play center and Niels Olman, right? That's a huge strength for the organization. And on the blue line, to be honest, like what we were talking about was upgrading Mark Friedman. And I would have loved to seen it 'cause I just don't have a lot of confidence in Friedman come in the postseason. I mean, Chad Rueedel, your guy, went for what, seventh rounder in fourth rounder in 2027? - But even him, honestly, I thought a fourth was more than he would have cost. - Yeah. - Righty defenseman, he's playing like 14 minutes again, making 800K. - Yeah, prices were kind of high. - And now it is a 2027th fourth, so it is kicking the can down the road a few years, so that does diminish the value of the fourth round pick in and of itself. But still. - But it's paid, what, a seventh for Mark Friedman early in the season? - It was the swap with Jack Rathbone. - Right, that's right, yeah. - So just Jack Rathbone for Mark Friedman. - Yeah, so less than a seventh. - Less. - Yeah, it's even better. I mean, they got it for free, essentially. They just swapped, you know, they even saved it a little bit of cash in the deal. - Yeah, but yeah, depth of defenseman shouldn't usually go for less than a fifth round pick at the deadline from Sellers. Matt Dunba went for just a pick swap, but again, that was a money thing. - Yeah, if they had LTI spot, and Arizona just wanted to get rid of the money because that's Arizona. - Yeah, Arizona hockey, baby. Can we lower our salary cap charge? Can we lower our exposure to actually having expenses with an NHL team, then we'll do it. Same goes for Jason Zucker, right? They prioritize not having to retain and they sent him to Nashville for a sixth round pick. Absolutely no retention. So, you know, that's part of what handcuffed the Canucks today as well is their lack of ability to take on any sort of cash. And, you know, that wouldn't have mattered for a Chad Rueedle or-- - Not 800K. - Even signing field castle, for example, they could have done those things if they really wanted to. - If they wanted to keep put coals in in the minors? - Yeah. - They could have kept put coals in in the minors, signed Kessel. - Well, it almost feels like, can we tell Pod coals that he doesn't deserve to be in the NHL right now and then sign this guy off the street? - Yeah, partly, but honestly, I think it's mostly about, even if they signed him-- - Yeah. - You haven't played. - Yeah. - The questioning assignment may not be enough. Like, number one, you haven't played in months. - Yeah. - You didn't play in the playoffs much last year. - No. - Your fourth line forward on that team that had some parties-- - It's probably six years old. - Yeah, like, you're gonna go in a two-week conditioning assignment and now step into our lineup, the final 10, 12 games of the season and be a part of things? Come on, like, that makes no sense. - It was a lot of-- - It was a lot to ask. - How are they gonna do that? So, I think the only thing the Canucks were open to was signing a two-way deal or, well, one-way deal being put on waivers, going down and being part of the abstract Canucks and getting called up if and when they need him. - Yeah. - And I don't think he's willing to do that. I don't know. I would assume he's not willing to do that. So, I think that's the biggest issue here 'cause I think if the Canucks wanted him or he wouldn't want it to play and be a part of things and was willing to play in the minors, it's not a hard deal to make. He can sign a two-way deal, right? Or put him on waivers, go down to the minors, play there. You could have signed Kessel if you really wanted him or if he was really willing to play here and stick it out in the atmosphere at first. I think you could have made a deal. But again, like, going back a few weeks, I've been saying I'm not sold on this Kessel thing. It's more of a, let's see what happens as opposed to they're gonna sign him and that didn't get done. Now, I wasn't right on the over on two and a half trades of the deadline, but I was right on Phil Kessel not being a real option. - You were definitely right on that. We cannot deny you this. It's been an interesting day. - Interesting developments, a lot of discussion. We have a lot of questions coming in. We'll get to the mail bag a little bit later on. Yannick Hansen is going to join us. So we still have a lot to discuss on your Vancouver Canucks. We are your home of the Canucks, SportsNet 650. - Big opinions and good bets. - It's the People Show with Big Nizar. - Be sure to subscribe on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Back in on Canucks Central, it's Dan Richo and Satyarsha. We're until six today, so a three-hour program for you. - Yeah. - What? - I'm just saying, you know, the day we have the three-hour program is like no trades. - You know, literally nothing new to talk about. - You know, the heroic thing, we got that. You know, shout out to Patrick Alveen. - He's like, "Hey, I know you guys are home "for three hours today. "I didn't make any trades, let me help you out." - Gonna throw you a bone here, fellas. - Yeah. - And we appreciate it. So yes, if you missed it earlier, you can find it available now on podcast. Patrick Alveen joined us for an exclusive conversation and he dropped a tidbit. The Canucks have tabled an offer to Phillip Pronik, now their biggest pending restricted free agents. They've tabled a contract offer for him. He would not disclose short-term or long-term, but believes it is a very fair offer for Phillip Pronik. So you can go and listen to that full conversation now available on podcast. As for the Canucks, they were busy today but did not get anything over the line. No trades, did not make any additions, did not sign Phil Kessel. They are going through the season with what they've got. They added Elias Lindholm a couple of weeks ago at the All-Star Break and now that is their squad for the rest of the year. Joining us to give his take on it, it's our Friday analyst, it is Yannick Hanson and he's brought to you by the Magneson Auto Group mentor Ford Porte-Quitlem Ed Magneson Ford in Abbotsford on both sides of the Fraser to serve you. Thanks for this Yannick, how are you? - Yeah, it's my pleasure. How are you guys doing? - We're doing well. It's been a quieter day than we expected, maybe even more so than Patrick Alveen expected. Are you surprised the Canucks didn't get up to anything today? - Honestly, they made their move. Obviously, there was some rumbles about the swab and sweeping Lindholm and his stuff. That's probably easier said than done, but they made their moves in advance so you're not getting down to the wire here, which is, it's probably better to do it that way. And again, you don't want to get into where you feel forced to do something right now when the time is running out. So yeah, yeah, it was quiet, but I mean, they've added pieces throughout the season so it's not like they've been quiet, they're just quiet today. - Well, yeah, you're right. I mean, they made the Lafferty addition right before the season. That would kind of be viewed as a type of deal we make at the deadline. He gets a door off, that's another guy. And of course, the big move to acquire Lindholm, not to mention even getting Mark Friedman as a depth defensement, right? So they've made a number of trades this season. But once you get to the deadline and I wanted to get your perspective of this as a former player, and yes, they did get work done. You're seeing other teams load up, Winnipeg players talk about these sort of things. What's the vibe like when the team kind of sits pat on this day? Do guys wish something would have happened? Is there relief? Like what kind of goes through players' heads when they see other teams around them loading up ahead of the deadline? - Yeah, it's two-fold or probably even three-fold, to be honest. Like I can give you one from my experience back in 2009, I want to say it. It wasn't really a deadline, but that's indeed signed, which was obviously big news here. It meant I didn't play another game. So again, it's one of those things where, yeah, you made our team better, but well, guys didn't get to play anymore. So you're like, you said, okay, I got to play when there were some injuries and stuff like that, but my ice time just disappeared. And then again, you want to win. And here's a great, I use great to be great to be around, learn stuff from and all these things. And when he started rolling, he was a huge asset through the team. So it's not like that. When you're in a different spot where you're wanting to win, where you're trying to make the team better, you're just hoping for the biggest, baddest out there coming in and helping your team, pushing you over the top so you feel better, stronger than whoever you're playing against. So there's different side to this. They say you want to stay in the lineup, of course, all these things. It's a team sport, but yeah, we are selfish too. You like to play as well. So there's a couple of sides to this. But again, there's no question when you're sitting at the top of the packing order right now, like you want to stay there. You don't want to go into the playoffs and feel like, oh yeah, we might have finished first, but we have to get lucky in order to beat these teams. You want them to feel like they have to be lucky. Them have to feel like everything have to go right for them in order to beat you. And then does it happen? If it does sometimes, but again, you don't want to have to be the one that kind of gets lucky, if you say. - Yeah, and I wonder for players just how much of a relief it is when the deadline actually passes. - Yeah, it is as well, especially if you're one of those guys that are rumored to get moved, that don't want to move, especially if you're on a team that are good, that could win, and then you're one of those guys that get moved out part of our package to bring in somebody else who's maybe a little bit better. And then you go to a team that's out of the playoffs, and now you can just go pick your nose for the next 20 games 'cause the season is pretty much over. Like that, that's not fun either. And again, even when I got traded to San Jose, I was hoping I wouldn't trade. I wanted to stay here. Like I said, once I landed in San Jose, I got to play a couple of games, and okay, this is a pretty good team, and we have a legitimate chance here. Like I got excited at different excitement than I had at Vancouver in those games where no was done. But like I said, like that there's so many more things that goes into it than just that little part. So again, I didn't want to get traded. Once you get traded, you embrace it, and then you say, okay, this is a pretty good opportunity for me, got to play with Pulaski and Jumbo right off the bat on a team that had just gone to the cup. So what's not to like about that? But again, there are more to it as well. Family, comfortability, the city you've known, grown up in and you're home. So there are more things. - You know, we hear management say stuff like, we want to help reward a team. And the kind of done that, of course, like we mentioned, they made trades before. Is there also something to be said about wanting this group and believing in the group? Like do players buy into that when a team says, hey, we're not mixing guys. We're not making sideways moves because we believe in the group that we have. Does that message come across as belief? - Yeah, but that's more so if you're almost there in the hunt kind of thing. We're in a wildcard spot just in just outside. We believe in you. We're not making changes. This group can get it done. We're right now, like they've shown, they went out and they got the number two, number three trade bait out there in Linholm. And they got him early. That's believing you're trading away a first round draft pick for this guy to come in and help you. That's proving it. I don't, from a player's perspective, I don't need to see more from management in order for me to believe that they believe in me. Like they've already done it. Yeah, there were other pieces out there that would have helped Vancouver cut their guard in them. I'm sure they tried. But like I said, they have already shown me that they have gone out. They've traded picks. They've traded prospects in order to better our teams right now, not tomorrow. They've probably gone. So it's not like for the long-term, no, this is right now. - I wonder how much Vegas doing what they do and they go and get Manta and Hannah Finn and hurdle this week. If players around the league are just like, how come the salary cap doesn't seem to exist for these guys? 'Cause fans certainly are like that. - It's a salary cap thing. And it's more so weird in the assets from, I know they were, they pillaged teams in that expansion draft, but that's gotta be over with now. They can't still have assets from that. But again, it seems like I just saw hurdle. I had been kind of busy today, so I didn't keep too much touch. And I was like, that pushes them over the top. If he's playing anywhere remotely to what he's capable of, he's the number one center available. He's such a good player. I got the privilege of playing with him for maybe half the season in San Jose, where I was on his line and he's big, he's strong, he's skilled, good in the circle, good defensively, he's like a light Alex Barkham in Florida. So it's like, how are they adding a player like that? I know he's injured and long deal and stuff like that, but like if he pans out, man, I call hurdle, like, come on. - Yeah, it's a tough one. I was just gonna ask you, like what you think of this player, but now I know he's hurt right now, and we'll see how it all comes together in the playoffs for Vegas. But just thinking about last night's game, where Vancouver, I thought, handled Vegas pretty well, they don't look right right now. And we'll see how it all comes together, but they look like a team that's kind of vulnerable right now. - Vegas? - Yeah. - Yeah, no, no, they're struggling right now. There's no question about that. They've just added two major pieces. Obviously, Hanathan's jumped in and he played last night. Vancouver looked good, give them credit. They were, their backs was against the wall, a little bit going into this quick road trip here. They got to win in Anaheim, which truth be told, I didn't really care about. You needed that and then move forward, but then you had two statement games coming up. LA had just spanked you a week earlier at home, so you needed to come in and win. Anyway, possible, they did that. And then you go into Vegas, and Vegas is a very, very hard building to play in. Yeah, they're not firing in all cylinders right now, and Stone's injured, and guys just coming back from having missed 30 games, Theodore, and stuff like this. So they're sputtering a little bit, but Vegas is a hard place to play. So again, they're in the hunt too. They want to finish for a whole mice as well. I'm sure they don't want to go to Edmonton for game one. So again, it's desperate teams, but you all play them. You won the game, and then you asserted yourself. So it was a great game for Vancouver. No question about that. As far as what the Canucks look like right now, so the deadlines come and pass. We see other teams load up. What do you think of the Canucks chances from this point on? Yeah, Edmonton, Vegas, still looking scary. You can hope they beat up on each other, and then you avoid them, but even LA, Nashville just won nine straight. That's the thing about this year when we started talking earlier about trades and making your team better. There are so many, it could be anybody's game. Colorado, I'd say, look at that above, but you won't see them until the conference final. So again, if you can better your team, lighten the load a little bit here and there, so you're fresher, you have a chance. It's some very, very good teams you've got to pass through. Hopefully, one of them will take each other out kind of thing. So it is there, but again, the Pacific is very, very top-heavy, and that's what we talked about in the beginning of the season as well. LA, Vegas, Edmonton are looking good. They still look very good. Vancouver had looked a lot better than we thought they were going to be and have matched up well against Edmonton. It was early, we weren't going to see them for a while, but again, you found a way to beat Kings. Kings are playing very well right now. So again, it is there, but it's some very, very tough teams you've got to go through. This road trip, all low scoring games, they only give up one goal in each of the games that they win, and early in the season, they were just blowing teams out of the water. They'd win eight-one Edmonton in the first game of the season. They scored goals for fun, but as the season's gone on, it seems like what this team's actual identity is, what Vancouver's actual identity is, is how they defend and how they manage the puck, how they give you nothing easy. It feels like they've evolved as the season's gone on, Yannick. Yeah, Denko, he's been good to you, he's coming in. Denko helps, yeah. At the right time, so again, you've got to win like this. You can't expect to go out and blow teams over in the playoffs. It might happen one time, but there's still only one win. So you have to win these games, post games, boring games, tight-checking games, not giving up anything, and when you do give it up, you need a backbone, and they have that, and that's what's so tantalizing about this team, is that they have all the things that you kind of want to, okay, I want to win a Stanley Cup. I got my checklist here, I want to go with Boom. I need a number one defenseman, Boom. I need a number one set of Boom. I need a center behind that that's pushing the almolo who's probably better than the other team seconds. Boom, you have all these things, and they finally put it together. So that's where it's like they have these pieces. Vancouver has been sputtering a little bit too. We talked about Vegas not having been that good lately. Vancouver is not humming at the same level. They were 10, 15 games to go either. So there are some correction that meets done. Some injured guys that hopefully comes back. I think we touched on this when Dakota Johnson went down that Chicago game, that like, what's this going to mean to the third line of him, Blueger and Garland? Well, that line has been completely blown up. I don't think they've seen any shifts together, Blueger and Garland for a lot of time. So it's like, you need that back together. Again, we'll go a long way to kind of make the team a little bit more homogeneous, if you will, and again, then hopefully they can get everybody back, start playing, come closer to the playoff, and we're not guessing who's playing with who and where, which is my biggest thing right now. I want to see the lineup starting to form and then stick. - You know, I'm with you on that. You want to see some of the duos really develop, right? And at least there's been some real good signs here with Hoaglander and Patterson and how they played. And even Garland with Lindholm. And the one thing that worked really well last night was having those four guys down the middle, Miller, Patterson, Lindholm and Teddy Blueger. If you can run four lines like that and have a capable guy like Lindholm in the postseason, if you figure out your duos, how much of a strength could that be? Because, I mean, the hope had been, Lindholm can play with Patterson in the top six, but can you get similar value if you can have four lines that can really go? - If you run into the overtime, yes. Otherwise, there's not enough ice time for me. Lindholm, P.D., and Miller, in all fairness, they need 18 minutes or more a night. And they need this ice time in order to be truly engaged, power play, five on five, a little bit of shorthand. You give these guys this amount of ice time, and yeah, sometimes they double up, Miller and P.D. on the power play together. But if you start getting too much of this five on five, these three, now there's not enough ice time for your third line center. And it's a really good third line center. So yeah, if they run into overtime and stuff like this, then they will outmatch just about any team. But the fear in having three really good centers, same thing with Bull last year is the ice time. When one of them are on the ice, where are the other two? There's a sitting on the bench, and it's too much money on the bench for too long of a time. So again, that's my only fear with having potentially your three, four best players playing the same position here. I know Besser is definitely in there as well, but just when we're talking to three centers, only one of them can be at the ice at the time. And again, if this trade is supposed to work out for Vancouver, I would assume them thinking that Lindholm will be the third, fourth best forward on the team. - Yeah, and we haven't seen that happen yet. It's been playing a little bit better, but we'll see if he gets another chance up in the top six. What do you think of Podkolz in these two games? - He's physical, again, he is hard to judge in a small sample size, and all of a sudden the team is good, and we have to win and all these things. So I like more samples to kind of get a feel, but again, he's a big body. He can definitely skate. We know he has the skills. You can hope that he's getting the same treatment as the hoodlander kind of thing, and then kind of rounding in, 'cause he's had time here and there where he's looked definitely ready, but again, the judgment is still out there whether or not this will pan out. - As far as what we're seeing on the back end, Tyler Myers has been out for the past couple of games. I think Noah Julesin's done a really good job this year, we talked about him and how he's fit in, but Carson Sousie, Yannick, it seems like every time he steps into the lineup, he just settles things down. They have one regulation loss in the games like Carson Sousie has played as a Vancouver Connect. Now, that's over 20-some games. It's pretty remarkable when we think about it, but it just seems like when he's on the ice, very few bad things, if any bad things happen. He's very good at calming things. Now, what are you seeing in his game and how important can it be to have a player like him that can calm things down the way he does? - Yeah, it's a little scary when you read that stat out and how important a player like that can be, but you kind of sensed it, 'cause he fills that ginormous void that's been in the Vancouver Canucks since Edler Tan have left. Like, there's been nobody like them since he came, until he came, I should say. And he is that defensive, easy, get the puck out, good on the PK. And again, it just drops the goal against average. And then this team has always been able to score. The problem has been keeping puck out of the net, and that's where he excels. So he's not flashy, you don't see him, and when you don't see players like that, it's a good night. Just get the puck out, get it to somebody with more skill who's gonna do something with it at the other end is the ice and we don't get scored on. And then he's big body. You can't scuff at that, like it's that. You want that package. Big, can move, strong, physical, finish checks, can't fight. All of those things, yeah, he's not petting Quinn Hughes, don't get me wrong, but he has a package that's very, very hard to teach, or you can't teach. So again, having a player like him complimenting Peronic Hughes is very, very good. - Final one for you, Anika, on Philopronik. We talked to Patrick Alvin earlier today, and he mentioned that the Canucks have tabled a contract offer to Philopronik. He's a restricted free agent this summer. - Sounds large. - And he thinks it's a very fair offer for Philopronik. And I guess it's the beginning of a negotiation, but I think, for me, it's hard to judge what his true value is because he's played so much, even though it's been so well next to Quinn Hughes, it just feels like maybe his numbers, at least statistics-wise, are a little bit juiced, a little bit inflated, and that might push him up close to eight million bucks, and that makes me squeamish. - That's why the oof, it's gonna be a piece, yeah. Like, there's no, Quinn Hughes have been phenomenal this year, and Haronik must have some credit in that as well. He was good before. He was good the year before, and all these things, but he has been borderline the best defensemen all year. So he has a stake in that, too. And that's where you can't just say, oh, he's good because no, they're good because of each other. They compliment each other, and I was against them playing with each other in the beginning because I thought there's too much riches here on one line, not enough puck, but like the way they compliment each other, get out of trouble and move the puck and interchange, it's a dream come true on an offensive side and a nightmare on the other side. So it's like that pairing is so good, and then you have to pay them. Like, you haven't found anything remotely close to this. Like, you're saying, oh, Ethan Baer was really good with Quinn Hughes. Yeah, I'm sure he was, but like, this might be the best pairing in the NHL now. So it's like, you're gonna have to pay him. - Yannick, we appreciate the time as always. Have a great weekend. - My pleasure, take care. - It is Yannick Hanson joining us here on Canucks Central, Dan Reicho, Satyarsha in the Kintec Studio. His take on Philopronik being proposed a new contract with the Vancouver Canucks. - You gotta pay him. - You gotta pay him? - Gotta pay him big money. It's going to be a big contract, right? - Yeah. - Like I said, my guess would be, it's slightly higher than what Seaverson and McKinsey-Weger were offered. - Yeah. - Which was 50 million. - Yeah. - So I'd say anywhere from 52 to 54, somewhere in that, six and a half per year, 6.75 per year, somewhere in that range. - Yeah. It's hard not to see the Canucks kind of not being backed into a corner with this one, but Hronik has played so well. The fit with Kint Hughes has been so good. They have been one of the best pairs in the league. I know a lot of that is just how good Kint Hughes is. I mean, again, if Kint Hughes were to be up for a contract right now, he'd probably be worth 12 million bucks and be the highest paid defenseman in the National Hockey League. So that certainly helps Philopronik, but it's also Philopronik being the best right shot defender Kint Hughes has ever been paired with since coming to Vancouver. There is a little bit of both sides of that story here and there's the very real scenario of, it's very difficult to find right shot defenseman. - Yeah. - Especially in that age range, especially of that quality. So yeah, if you're Philopronik's camp, you can drive a little bit of a hard bargain here if you really want to. - They could. - And at the same time, Vancouver could also leverage the fact that they have Kint Hughes and that finding him a partner, yes, of that caliber is not easy, but because he is Kint Hughes, you've already got to change over more than half of your defense this summer. - Yeah. - You're going to do one more on top of that? - Yeah, it's a lot, but I still think that you can still bet on Kint. - Yeah. - And I think you still have Susie, right? And if they end up bringing Myers back at a cheap rate, so now you have three of those guys kind of back. And I'm not saying they don't value her own it, right? But when you have Kint and he's the Kint's partner and it's very clear that he would be nowhere near this level of productive, if he wasn't playing with Kint, that you can't be paying him the premium for it. And hey, listen, if he wants the money, God bless him and good luck somewhere else and everything. But I think with him, you have to really drive a hard bargain with him. I think you have to leverage the fact that the situation is the one he gets to stay in. You get to keep playing with Kint. You get to be in the market where the team is good. You're gonna make a lot of money still. What are we talking about here? What is, does he want is another, say six to eight million in total money, that important to him? - Yeah. - I think that's the way the Canucks have to approach it with him, right? And if it is, again, you know what? God bless you, go somewhere and get every single penny you want. - Well, it's sort of like Gustav Forzling who got 46 million from Florida at five, seven, five. And I think that's a bit of a bargain contract, but if he makes it to unrestricted free agency, and he gets, let's say, seven by seven from somebody else on the market. Guess what seven by seven is? It's 49 million. It's an extra three million dollars. So yes, the average annual value sounds a lot more than five, seven, five, but by the end of it, because you can only sign for seven years in unrestricted free agency, it's on the total value of the contract, only an extra three million bucks. And that makes a big difference. Plus, of course, no state tax in Florida, which also helps. - Yeah, the question is, does he think he can get eight times eight, which is 64 million? - Yeah. That would be Roanick's leverage here is I can get traded and sign an extension with the team I get traded. - If he thinks he can get eight by eight, well, then it becomes kind of like the Horvat thing, where it's like, hey, we have a number for you to stay here, but you can actually make 10 to 12 million more, somewhere else. It's hard to say no to that. - Yeah. - If his age and truly believes he has that, I just don't see an avenue where it ends up working with Vancouver. You know, I just think that will be too much. If not, however, would he play ball to stay in Vancouver and takes like, I mean, they can leverage that Patterson took slightly less, right? - That Miller did. - Miller did. - And he uses on this contract. - Demko's on that contract. You want to be here, this is kind of what it has to look like. - It's a delicate dance that's happening now with Philip Peronich. Dan Reicho, Satyar Shah. The mailbag is next on Canucks Central. - The most opinionated Canucks show out there, Canucks talk with Jamie Dodd and Thomas Drans. Be sure to subscribe on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Canucks Central final hour. Giving you an extra hour today on Trade Deadline Day. - I felt like we had to do an extra work today. 'Cause Sat doesn't do enough extra work already. - No. (laughing) - I'm like running on fumes today, but I'm good, I'm good. - He's good, I'm good. I was like, it was a late one, got home around one last night. No, midnight last night. Went to bed just on like 130. Went up at like five today. - Yeah, isn't it like tough falling asleep right away after a late night? - Yeah, it takes me at least an hour, an hour and a half. - Yeah, like when I have a late beer league game, it's impossible to fall asleep. - Yeah, I've traded in the alcoholic beverage for Camel Mile T. - Okay. - And that's been better. - And that's been better. - Gamomila with a little bit of honey. - It's a bit better, it's a bit better. But considering how crazy the game was this last night, it was a good game. And the excitement and everything going on with the Trade Deadline, it was just, you know, hard to get the bed last night. (laughing) - Canucks beating Vegas Golden Knights last night, they'll have the Winnipeg Jets kicking off a nine game homestand at Roger's Arena. That's tomorrow, six o'clock pregame on Sports at 650, we'll have it for ya. And seven o'clock puck drop for the second half of the doubleheader on Hockey Night in Canada, Dan Richo, Satyar Shah. You know, one thing about the deadline being in the rear view, Sat, we get to focus on the games even more so now through the end of the season. One of the issues, we don't have a ton of games this particular week with the Canucks having multiple days off, but it's still going to be even with the schedule being tougher, like a lot of playoff level opponents coming up for the Vancouver Canucks as well. Like, it's gonna be, this is part of it now. It's not right off into the sunset and think about the draft, it's okay, how is this team getting ready for the playoffs? And that's the exciting part of the rest of this week. Go ahead. - Oh yeah, I was gonna say, and especially with there are some big games coming up. And I think, I mean, I know today there is some disappointment in the fan base. I would say overall, a lot of people texting in and I've seen on social media have been, you know, pretty cool and fine with it. We've seen some people being upset, but the fact they beat Vegas, they beat LA, beat some of the teams people said, you know, how are these guys gonna fare against those types of hockey teams? And now you have Winnipeg, you have some other big games coming up against tough opponents on home as well. I'm really excited to see how they stack up. - So, our Dunbar Lumber text message inbox, just wanna get in a few overflow on the mail bag a little bit. This coming. Just got off work to find out, Canucks got no one and Vegas got hurdle. There is no chance Pot Colson would have any impact on the playoffs. How can the Canucks do nothing? That's one text that came in. Another one. - It's pretty simple. If you don't wanna, how can you not do nothing? Just don't do anything. - Yeah. Just don't do anything. They decided what they had was fine. - Although they try to do more. - The thing is, they try. The question is, how much should you be overpaying you feel like to get a deal done? That's the question. And with Tafoli, you look at the second and the third. - Okay, but the Canucks would have had to trade at least one more pick to get a team to retain to get Tafoli as well, right? - So it's... - Winnipeg didn't need the extra team in there. - No. - This text, where did Barabanov go? Well, he didn't go anywhere. He stayed with the San Jose Sharks. Was a person on the radar for me as a potential acquisition for the Canucks, but just seemed like once they got down to it, they didn't really mind letting some of those depth players go by the wayside and stick with what they've got here in Vancouver. And of course, again, price factored in. Bring on the Knights. We took out the Blues defending four years ago and we'll do it again. That's from Rager. - I like the attitude. - That's right, Blues were defending champions in the bubble when the Canucks took them out before facing Vegas in the second round. - I like the attitude. And ultimately, you have to find ways to win. And how often have we said the biggest winners in the trade deadline don't end up winning in the playoffs? - Yeah. - Like it's not always a direct line between it. Now we've seen teams that have been buyers go out to win too. That's happened, right? - But Vegas last year with Barbershev. - But I mean, they added. - They added, but it wasn't like they won the trade deadline. Like we were like, oh, they added the trade. The second round pick they get Barbershev. Like it was a nice addition, but it wasn't this like, man, Vegas won the trade deadline. - They didn't add as much as they did this year. - Yeah, no, they definitely did not. - And I believe the year before it didn't, they go pretty all out. - They went all out. - They went all out and didn't win that year. - No, and remember, the Rangers were the team last year. Got Patrick Kane, got Terasenko, did something else too. - And what did that get them? - Tyler Mott. - Didn't they get him? - They didn't beat New Jersey. (laughs) Even the Leafs last year, they went for it, right? They got Lafferty, they got Ryan O'Reilly. They went out and got all these guys didn't work out for him. So, you know, just getting a bunch of guys doesn't necessarily guarantee you anything, but there were a few teams that did get pretty frisky today in the Western Conference, right? And through the course of trade season. So, if we were to look at it and say winners and losers of trade deadline. - Oh yeah, I think sometimes the winners and losers, it's a bad way of looking at it. - Yeah, I know we always talk about it that way. Who improved most? Let's start with that, who improved most? And who improved most, who did you expect more from? I think, how will we do that? So, I think, I think the Carolina Hurricanes. - 'Cause the guy against it. - Not even thinking about Kuznetsov, I think Kuznetsov is like a complete flyer for them. And I wonder, like, if you're going down that path, how committed are you to it? Because they can survive without Kuznetsov. If they try it for 10 games and it doesn't work, it's like, okay bud, like you're getting healthy scratch and we're done with this. But if they try to like force it, then it can be a problem. But Genssel's kind of a player that they've needed there, right? Like he fits their mold, he's a smart player and can score. Like they get volume, but do they get a ton of, do they have a ton of great shooters that capitalize on that volume? No, they don't. So, in a year where Boston didn't have enough assets to really go out and do too much. Tampa didn't have enough assets to go out and do too much. Outside of Florida in the East, there isn't a real juggernaut. I think Carolina jumps close to that tier. I still have my questions about them. But they added the one thing that's kind of plagued them the last couple of years is having a guy who can actually finish the chances they generate. Yeah, I don't think that's a bad choice. Like I think getting Genssel is the best player and I think that in and of itself is good. The Kuznetsov thing, I don't know how to feel about it. But if you can even give them something and they have a cap space, then at the very least he's depth, right? He gives them a little bit of something they can have, right? His statistical profile is akin to late career Henrik Sadeen, where he just passes and never shoots. He never shoots the pucks, he passes the puck. And also very bad defensively. His effort's been poor, so who knows, right? But you're getting Genssel. I think the obvious one is Vegas too, getting hurdle, getting Hanifen, getting Anthony Manta, right? Like they've obviously improved in a significant way. I think when it pegs up there, they get to Foley, they get Anthony Manta, and they pick up Colin Miller, a right hand defenseman for some more added depth on the blue line. Sean Monahan, not Anthony Manta. Sorry, yeah, Sean Monahan, Colin Miller, and Tyler De Foley. Winnipeg has improved quite a bit. My thing is Dallas also improved quite a bit. Colorado also improved quite a bit. I don't know who improved most out of the central division teams. Yeah, Colorado. I want to say Colorado. Yeah, and they get Trenen, they get Duham, Middle Stat, and Sean Walker, but they trade out Byra. Like Trenen, the thing with Colorado. Evan, brand new bottom six, it seems. Like you don't even need to hear this from me. Their coach didn't feel like their bottom six was playable. Yeah. (laughs) So when that's kind of the case, you kind of look at it and like, well, how's that going to develop now? Is he going to trust his bottom six more? Are you only going to play McKinnon from 20 to 22 minutes a night instead of 23 to 24 minutes a night? Does that, how much of a difference does that make? They desperately needed more depth through their lineup, and I think they got it. Yeah, they did. I don't like texted, and it says, I disagree with your choice. I think the Oilers came off best. I mean, I think the Oilers did a good job. I don't know if they improved their team the most, but they're also doing-- I don't know if they did a good job to be able-- I'm not a big Henry guy, I just-- He's still a help, so I'm still an upgrade. Well, I just feel like when you're Edmonton, and you've had these many kicks out the can, you need to do what Vegas is doing, and like go all out. Yeah, I've been digging into the Eric Eric, and they get Henry. Henry, Henry. And that's pretty much it. And Stetcher. He gets Stetcher, he gives them some depth on the blue line. Watch Stetcher kick CeC out of the lineup by the time the playoffs come around. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. Size matters to coaches a lot, and I like Stetcher a lot. He's done a really good job there. Sure, we'll see how many minutes he plays and-- Success should matter too. And CeC has just gotten torched in playoff series recently. Well, at least against Vegas last year. I mean, Vegas torches a lot of teams, but yeah. That's also very true. Oilers didn't improve their biggest flaw in goaltending is that text that came in. Yeah, Skitter has done a better job, obviously. Yeah, it just depends whether you trust him or not. So none of us mentioned Vegas. No, we mentioned Vegas, but we didn't really go into it. Did they improve the most? I mean, they are the talk of the league right now and how they've improved and how they've finagled the salary cap. Well, objectively, they have improved their team more than any other team, haven't they? They added a top six for winger and manta. They added a top four defense, but no a handful. And they added a top line center and hurdle. Yeah, and they're going to have Mark Stone coming back for the playoffs most probably. But just those three guys. I mean, I don't think any team made three additions as sizable as those three additions. Yeah, I want them to miss the playoffs so bad. All fair, but objectively, no team added more to their squad than the Vegas Golden Knights did in terms of overall talent and quality. Now, you may think it may not work out, don't like it for them, but objectively, did any team add more talent than Vegas? No. No. Dan's trying really hard. He's trying really hard. Like, I feel like Colorado was the only, well, here's the thing is like-- They traded by room. Yeah, and that's the part of it where like, Vegas didn't trade anyone off their roster. No. Which is just, how do they have all their picks? How do they still have all their prospects worthy? Like, other teams care about? I mean, yeah, the Canucks didn't draft in the first round for, I don't know, eons before Patrick Alvingen and Jim Rutherford showed up. So that definitely hurts the prospect pool because the only players that other teams seemingly want from the Canucks prospect pool are like Romacki and Willander. Yeah, and I mean, in terms of how things work out, I mean, again, like, we don't know anything until weeks, and months, and years even, right? And that's why I liked it more as instead of talking about winners and losers and who did best, like, which teams improve themselves the most? And like, on paper as we sit here and talk today, now, is it going to work out or not? Perhaps not. This is Anthony, Samantha, Noah, Hannah, aren't just just our needle movers. Okay, sure, but what other teams added more than Anthony, Samantha, Hannah, Finn, and Tomás Hurdle? I want to say Carolina, but I can't. 'Cause Genssel even like-- 'Cause 'cause Kuznetsov is, again, just a complete total flyer. Yeah, if this was three or four years ago, Kuznetsov? Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Realistically, even if like, if you don't think Hannah, Finn, and Manta are needle movers-- Winnipeg might be the only team that's close, yeah. Yeah, I mean, if you think they're not needle movers, do you think, you know, Monahan and-- Tafoli? Well, not Tafoli, I think you would consider it, but Monahan and Colin Miller? Yeah. Probably not, right? So, Dallas, if you include Logan Stankovin? Yeah. But, I like the flex that Jim Nill had today when asked why they didn't do more at the deadline. It's like, well, the players we have available for call-ups are better than anything we could have gotten out and traded for. Yeah, I just don't know what they would have added outside of a depth-defencement. I mean, they're-- And number eight, defencement? Both Dallas and Winnipeg look like teams that don't really have a significant hole, but I think they don't have the same high-end talent that Colorado, Edmonton, Vancouver have. And that might be what ends up holding them back. This quote from Kelly McCriman really got me today, though. He said that Mark Stone has a lacerated spleen. We'll miss the rest of the regular season, and it's unknown how much time he'll miss after that. And the quote was, it's impossible to know what the timeline is. Impossible means that you don't know any sort of timeline. No, no, I know that he will miss the rest of the regular season, though. So then it's not impossible. You have a sense of what the timeline is. Yeah, but they don't know-- It's not until the playoffs begin. Yeah, but I mean, the lacerated spleen and the every report you see from medical experts, it's like three months. Yeah. So he literally will miss the rest of the season. They just don't know how far after. I think it's fair. I understand what you're saying, and I understand people being so skeptical of McCriman and the Vegas Golden Knights. Is it impossible? You just said, when he's going to be ready, yeah, is it impossible to know? All we know is he's not going to be back this season. And the reason he says that, too, is they simply can't activate him, even if he is ready to come back. Yes, how convenient. Yeah, they can't activate him. They're capped out now, legitimately capped out. Alec Martinez is probably going to go on LTIR. And for the time being, Thomas Hurdle is going to go on LTIR. And it may now work out, and there are big additions. Again, there's a difference between saying, which team added the most, improved itself the most, and working out and having success. And considering the size of everything, there's a very good chance that things just really fail this year in Vegas, and then there are much better next season instead. As far as the team that I think didn't do enough, the Kings sounded like they were trying to do some things, couldn't do it because of their salary cap situation. I can't believe the Leafs are holding on to their first round pick. I mean, you may not think that you've got the best chance or you've got the best team. Your circumstances aren't perfect right now. You're capped out, whatever it may be. But Brad for living, having a first round pick on the board when you've got Austin Matthews, Mitch Marner, John Tavares, William Nylander, Morgan Riley, every year of those primes, you shouldn't keep your first round pick on the board. I don't know. Does that just mean, since Vegas got in the league and they figured out, oh, we're really good? Okay, guess what? We're never going to do draft in the first round. And if we do, we're probably flipping the guy that we draft shortly thereafter. In all of their time, they've made nine picks in the first round. They've only kept one, Brendan Borson. Yeah, it was in 2020. Yeah, I mean, they trade all their picks. I mean, the problem with Toronto is that I can't believe I'm somewhat defending the Leafs here. Now, they don't have a second round pick this year. They don't have a second next year. They don't have a second the year afterwards. They don't have third round picks this year and next year. They don't have a fourth round pick. I'll do this trade at everything and left them with no kind of space. Right, and no first round pick in 2025, right? You know how we were talking about if the Canucks trade a second and a third? They're just not going to be able to make any more trades at deadlines for a couple of years? Like, that's where Toronto is after trading all those picks, right? What do they have to add? Defense, right? Yeah. Hanifen had no interest in signing there. So, I just don't think they were comfortable making that trade for a rental. And I kind of get it. Like, if that was Vancouver, I'd be defending them not doing that. If you like, like, look at them and this guy's not going to sign and you're going to go up a first in a prospect for Hanifen. I would have rather traded the first round pick for something tangible than nibble on the edges and spend a couple of thirds to get Edmondson and Labushkin and all these guys. Yeah, but what is that though? Like, who would you have done after? Tanif? Yeah. Yeah. Just traded the first for Tanifen stud? I mean, look, there's a lot of reporting that, you know, Calgary had a first on the table from somewhere, but they felt the deal at Dallas was better for whatever reason. So, was that Toronto, maybe? It might have been Toronto, but I just, I don't know. Do Joel Edmondson and Elia Labushkin help you more than one Chris Tanif? And I would say one Chris Tanif helps you more than those guys. Yeah, Tanifen though, I mean, I know the Canucks, I know Drans reported this too, but the Canucks were, felt their offer for Tanif was better than what they took for Dallas. Yeah. And there was kind of a sense that, you know, they were traded with Vancouver twice. Wanna throw another player in Vancouver's way. They don't really want to deal with Brad tree living, right? And I think both those teams, you know, did up the ante to try to get something done. Murray Edwards has just committed to not beefing up the Canucks and Toronto Maple Leafs as much as he can. Helped them out enough or something, or at least like the ask was just so much higher for those things. And that goes back to what Alveen was admitted to, the feel of the ask for a lot of things is just higher. All right, so there are some of our thoughts on what happened during deadline season. It's Dan Reicho and Satyar Shah, final segment on deadline day, coming up next on Sports 10 650. [BLANK_AUDIO]
