(upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) >> Back into the Kintech Studio, Dan Reicho, Satyar Shah. It's a Friday. >> Trade deadline in the rear view. Knocks at the Winnipeg Jets tomorrow. The loaded. Locked and loaded Winnipeg Jets. >> So Roger's Arena. >> No Tyler Tifoli. >> No Tyler Tifoli. >> No Tyler Tifoli. >> You. >> Too many things in the way of him getting joined up with the Winnipeg Jets this weekend. >> One of them is grieving. >> Yeah. >> Namely one team to be in winner. >> So he is not going to be in the lineup tomorrow in Vancouver. >> Who do you think is more disappointed? Those who were itching for the Canucks to make a trade or Tyler Tifoli to go into Winnipeg? >> Literally any player going to Winnipeg. >> No, no, I don't necessarily say that, but I'm just saying I think out of all the possibilities of playoff contenders, Winnipeg may have been last to all these lists. >> If you're ranking as 16 teams, I make the playoffs. >> Yeah. >> And where Tifoli would want to go? >> Winnipeg may not have been very high on the list. >> I'm not picking him higher than 15th. >> It'd be 16th. >> Like 15th or 16th on his list probably. >> Yeah, I could see that. >> I mean, ask yourself if you had your pick of the playoff scenarios in the National Hockey League. Where would you want to go? >> Just look at all the teams. I feel bad for them now, honestly. It's like, oh, you could go, hey, maybe like Colorado. >> LA really wants you back. Vancouver wants you back. You could go to Colorado. >> Any of the Eastern Conference teams are nice. Maybe New York. >> Yes, all fair. But you know what? All it is is a few months, right? >> Yeah. >> You know, it's just a few months. And how good a chance does Winnipeg have to win the Cup? >> Well, only as good a chance as they do of getting through the Central Division bracket and the Stanley Cup playoffs. >> What if they get through? I mean, they have a chance to get through there, I'd say. >> Do they? >> I still rank them third. >> But they have a chance. >> Yeah. >> They have a chance. >> It's tight, man. >> It's going to be more tough if Vegas ends up on that side of the bracket, too. That's kind of the thing. >> Vegas, Dallas, Colorado, Winnipeg on one side. That'd be great for the Canucks. >> Yeah, the war of finishing first in the Central is going to be quite fun to watch down the stretch here. All three of those teams within two points of each other. Dallas currently ahead, but they do have three games in hand on Winnipeg with 85 points, Winnipeg and Colorado on 83. Jets have the best points percentage in the division. I would say you want to win it and have Dallas and Colorado sort of duke it out between themselves. Much like Vancouver with Edmonton and Vegas. Not a guarantee to finish in the top three in the Pacific right now. All right. Let's get to it. Mail back. >> We've got producer Josh Elliott-Wolf and Ben Bassard with us today. >> We'll start with this one. Austin and Langley. Langley. >> Langley? >> I don't know what happened there. >> Okay. >> Austin and Langley. What did Jim and Alving spend all morning doing if they weren't making any trades? Was it finally time to have Swedish meatballs? >> Yeah, they were celebrating with meatballs as opposed to using meatballs to consummate a deal. I mean, the Canucks were trying very hard to make deals, right? >> Yeah. >> It's not like they were sitting there happily and, you know, banking on the team and saying, "Hey, we weren't going to make this team better." They wanted to do more and it just never aligned for them. >> Yeah. >> They had some good opportunities. They were close. Just didn't get anything in. >> I don't think it was from a lack of compete. I don't think Patrick Alving went into the trade deadline not competing hard enough. >> He had structure. His habits were good. >> His habits were great. All over the place. >> His habits were great. Kept on tap with all of the big players, you know? >> For a front office that was getting accustomed to getting what they wanted in terms of the trades that they've made, the signings and extensions that they've made. I think this was a trade deadline where a lot was out of their control, like where the offers they made were just not good enough. >> Yeah. >> And they just couldn't quite match up with teams. And I think they were the bridesmaids a couple of times. You know what I mean? I think what ended up happening a couple of times was they were the runners-ups. >> It's kind of like the Blue Jays and MLB free agency, the runners-up. That's kind of what happened with the connects of the trade deadline. I think runners-up to Tana, runners-up to Tofoli. I don't know if they were runners-up to Genssel, but very much in the mix for Genssel. >> Teams just used on the Blue Jays reference. Teams just used Vancouver to get the price they wanted from other teams. >> I don't think that happened. >> Stop hurting me like this. >> I'm not sure that quite happened, but yes. I think it's more about coming up second in these trade talks. >> Like on that, Patrick even said this to us in the exclusive interview we had earlier, which you can find available now on podcasts. They like to get their work done early. And one of the benefits of getting your work done early is you're not pressed for time. And maybe other teams aren't quite ready to make that move in the way that you are. And that's the benefit they had with Linholm. That's the benefit they had with Zadorov. Maybe the only other situation like this was Sam Lafferty in the summer where the Leafs wanted to make a move. They had to make the move and the Canucks were the only ones that bid up enough with the fifth round pick to get Sam Lafferty on their roster ahead of other teams. >> So in terms of that Sam Lafferty trade, what does he go for at the trade deadline right now if they traded him? >> Considering Douhame went for a fourth. >> I want to say a third or a fourth, yeah? >> Fourth or a third maybe. >> If Douhame went for a fourth, I mean Lafferty's got a lot more production than Douhame. >> So could you have gone for a third maybe? >> Very possibly could have gone for a third. >> Or at least like a 2026 third or something like down the road or 27 thirds and down the road like that? >> I would imagine something in that effect. >> Like Trenen went for a third. >> He's played well enough that he's worth more than what Brandon Douhame is worth. >> Yeah, like Trenen went for a third in a prospect. >> Yeah. >> Now how much better is Trenen than, and Lafferty has more better production this year. >> Trenen plays center that might be a bit more. >> But he got a prospect. >> Sparingly. >> Yeah, so like, you know, a prospect. So maybe a third, probably a third. >> Yeah. >> So the connects, you know, if you want to look at it that way, you know how they jumped in and got Lafferty done and gave up a fifth for getting him. And it was like, hey, why make that deal now? Well, you make that deal then so you don't pay the extra cost for him at the deadline. >> Yeah, and they tried. It just ultimately came down to prices were a little too expensive. >> The price was not right. >> No. >> It was wrong. >> Next one from OFC. Teams like Vegas scrambled to add players to compete with the Canucks at the deadline. Edmonton's been trying to catch them all year. Colorado under 500 on the road. Why do the Canucks need to add when Joshua's due back and the team is winning with a power play that can improve? >> Because they'd like to add a, they would have loved to add a winger for Elias Patterson, an upgrade on PewSooter. So you can move PewSooter down the lineup. Like, I think that's the most obvious one. What else is depth? That's the move that would, like, why were you active? That's why they were active. >> They just don't have the same scoring punch in their top six as maybe other teams do. Now, I know like the goals they've scored and all that maybe suggest otherwise. But as we're seeing now with things getting a lot tighter, the pace picking up around the league, teams checking the Canucks a lot tighter, whether it's, you know, other contenders like Vegas and LA or even, you know, regular Joe Schmoes that are desperate to get into the playoffs, it's going to be tough for the score goals down the stretch. And certainly in the playoffs, it's going to be tough for the score goals. Do we see the Canucks have the same level of scoring talent when we get to the postseason as they've had much through the early part of the season? That's dried up as the season's gone on here a little bit. >> Yeah, and I think the question has always been, can they generate some more higher quality scoring chances in the postseason? >> Yeah. >> But they have been able to play some really good low event playoff style hockey and out chance for opposition. >> Yeah, 100%. >> So it's more about how you control the game and they've been able to do that and can that translate to the postseason? >> I actually like, at least through these couple of games, we'll see how the sample bears out. But the way the top six has looked recently has, it's given me a little bit more confidence. I like McKayev with J.C. Miller and Brock Besser. I mean, it's something we've talked about over a year. Well, I haven't, they tried that yet. I think McKayev is sort of on that train where he's knocking on the door and finally might come out of his almost three month long scoring slump. And Pew Souter, we talked about it earlier in the show. I don't know if it inspires a ton of confidence, but as of right now, it's, it's looked pretty good and they've tilted the ice in their favor when they've been on the ice with Patterson and Hoglander and Souter. So there's at least good early returns in this setup for the top six. Let's see if it continues. Next one comes from Michael. Now that the roster is set, will the line combos or when will the line combos be set for the playoffs? Basically, like, what do you think the lines are going to be for the playoffs? Okay, so, I don't, I don't know if they're set. Is it as simple as right now for the time being, you go, you keep McKayev with Miller and Besser, Hoglander, Patterson, Souter, Joshua, Lindholm, Garland. Yeah. Put Colson, Beluga, Lafferty. Yes. I think the only thing you change right now is Joshua, where Pod Colson is next to Lindholm and Garland. And then Pod Colson goes to, I mean, I think it goes to fill the Giuseppe spot as much as it pains me to say. Oh, yes. I mean, he's a heavy side. I was it. I don't know where I forgot his son. It was a very nice goal. Savvy, veteran move. Yes. It was simple yet effective, like great Italian cuisine, you know? Like pastadiol, aiolio, pastadiolio, you know, you only need a few ingredients, but man, it's delicious. That goal, it didn't have many ingredients to it, but it was great. Savvy. Um, Pod Colson, like if Pod Colson keeps playing the way that he is, I could see him playing a role on that fourth line similar to what Hoglander was doing earlier this year and helping that line win its matchups more often because he's got a little bit more offensive pop and he can do some damage, maybe. You hope? Yes. Against some lighter opposition. I still think we get one more look at Lindholm playing the wing, but I don't think Tockett loves that idea. And the other part of it is, I don't believe, Patterson Miller or Lindholm feels their best position is on the wing. They're the no wings club. So when you have those three guys all being like, I don't know how I feel playing the wing, your hands are tied a little bit. Yeah, because you need to get the most out of these guys. And like Yannick, we spoke, Yannick, I thought Yannick was so revealing when he talked about, of course you want the team to play well, but you still want your own individual success. And your own individual success too and participation. And especially if you're Lindholm looking for a contract, right? And I think it's unrealistic to think that any national hockey league team can be full of 100% selfless players. The best teams are the ones who are able to blend and align the selfishness and selflessness required to have success. That we're giving you chances to be you and be the best version of yourself, but also give for the team. It's hard to ask for the best version of somebody if you're not allowing them to do the things they feel like they have to do to be the best version of themselves. And sacrifice on top of that when it comes to certain things, right? So it may look easy from the outside and you say, why don't they just do it for the team and just put that aside. It's still human emotion and those things do matter and that's what makes coaching so complicated because it's not as simple as it looks sometimes, right? But ultimately at some point though, Dan is one of those guys going to have to play the wing. If they're going to have success in a playoff series, let's say you're playing Vegas, right? And you're down to nothing in the series and you're trying to do the three centers on the middle for those guys and it's not working. You have to adjust, right? Then you're in desperation mode. So I do think at some point perhaps they're going to have to figure it out in some way, but for the time being, I understand why they're doing what they're doing. I would say the clock is ticking on getting Lindholm back on the power play. Like, due respect to Connor Garland, not power play one material. No. Not when you've analyzed Lindholm on the roster, guys got back-to-back seasons where he scored ten goals on the power play. Lindholm, not the power play two got a lot of time, but power play two with Lindholm specifically looked pretty decent last night. It looked better, right? What I'm hoping or thinking is they haven't had a ton of practice time. Now that they're coming home and they have days off between games, like this week they play Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday, so they're going to have good amount of practice time this week. Are they just waiting for a moment where they get some practice time, get to have a longer look at the power play, and how it can work with Lindholm there rather than just kind of, you know, white knuckling it and hoping it works without sort of trying to figure out how to put the pieces together properly on the power play. But he's got to get there, and that's the way you get Lindholm back up to 18 minutes a night is putting him back on on power play one when it comes down to it. Next one comes from Neil from Surrey, another lineup question. Should Dakota Joshua play with Pedersen and Hoaglander, having the extra grit on Pedersen's line Michael Longway in the playoffs? Joshua? Joshua Pedersen, Hoaglander. I'm not in on this. Uh, I mean, sure, try, perfect. Honestly, if we're running, and right now, again, I'm not against Pew Souter getting a chance in being there, right now it's working. I think we all agree it's working. Yeah. I don't know if it's going to work into perpetuity, you know, and I do think that they're going to have to try other guys, and this is something that I think talking himself understands and has, you know, acknowledged at times. And he references Sidney Crosby that, hey, he didn't always have set line mates. You rotated guys through, and he was able to get, you know, a lot out of them. And Pedersen being, you know, an $11.6 million talent per year starting next season for eight years. You know, those guys, can they help elevate? So, I think there will be a few other guys getting a chance. Now, I'm not against seeing Joshua do it. The only thing about that too is you have two lefties, you have three lefties on that line. Yeah, that makes it a little bit awkward. That would be my one hesitation because Joshua's best left wing. Hoaglander's best left wing. He can play the right wing, but I don't think you're getting the best. So that's my only hesitation with that, but I'm not against trying it. Like Pew Souter's also a lefty. Yeah. I, Joshua's gotten looks in the past on the, like next to Miller and Besser and next to Pedersen. It just hasn't worked. And I'm not saying that that means it can't work, but is this just not his, I guess his best spot where he's been, where like they've crushed the chemistry him and Garland have on the forecheck, knowing how close they need to be together, knowing, you know, Joshua gets in there. I got to chip this puck here. Garland's going to be there and it's going to work that way. Like I just feel like that's kind of a chemistry. I don't really want to break up. So I'm not, I understand what you're saying, but that chemistry has been broken up due to injury already. Yeah. And that third line hasn't had nearly as much success lately. And if you're playing Lindholm as third line center, like don't you want Garland with him? So then you're going blue girl, you're taking Garland away from Lindholm because you want to keep blue girl Garland and Joshua together. I mean, I can understand the reasoning from it, but are you actually doing that? Well, when I say that, I mean, like, I just assume Lindholm is taking blue girl spot. Yeah. So you still go Lindholm? And blue girl, like I think the chemistry between Joshua and Garland is what worked so well with that line partially. Right. Because we even earlier that in the year, before Souter got hurt, he was on that line. And that's when we first started to see them having success. And then Souter went down, blue girl went in, they started to have success. I think that line could work and maybe even work to a better degree with a more talented Lindholm between Joshua and Garland. Yeah. I mean, I'm not against trying that. Yeah. Next one comes from W. This offseason, who are the Canucks free agent targets? We know they love TANF. How about their left side of defense? And do they intend on trading someone like Connor Garland or Ilya McKayah, McKayah this offseason for cap space? I, uh, so I'm on the train of, look, show me the deal and then I'll, then I'll decide. But right now, I don't think you're getting much for Ilya McKayah, and I'd almost rather see that one out a little bit. I think he's going to be better a year out from, from his knee surgery and have a better season next year. But if you're looking to open up cap space, that is one avenue you could do. I, I would prefer you move Garland before I move McKayah. I know that might sound crazy to some people, but I just, I like McKayah's overall game more. I do think you'll see a better version of him next year. I'm, yeah, I'm not against trading anybody. I do think that the guy, they have to make the biggest decision on. And then again, the question is about the offseason is Brock Besser. Yeah. Like even Garland and McKayah, they have two years left. There's, you may want to clear the cap space. But with Besser, you have to make a decision. You're either extending him or you're trading him. As Besser away, you can add to your prospect pool and then use your cap space to do something else. He's also a selling high time, assuming he hits like 40 goals. Yeah. And if he hits 40 goals, what contract is he going to be looking at? And if you look at the comparables, like you're, you're talking about seven, eight million per year. Like that's just the reality of what he can demand. Is that going to work in Vancouver? How comfortable are you giving Brock at 28, who's at the fastest player? A seven, eight year contract, right? And if you're looking at signing a guy who's 28, are you more comfortable going after, say, a Jake Genssel? If you're paying that much money? Yeah. You know what I mean? So I think that's the biggest decision they have to make is Brock Besser. And if they don't feel comfortable giving him a long term contract, then you're going to have to trade him. So to me, that's the big one. Coronics, obviously the one they're negotiating with, and if they don't get a deal done with him, we'll see what happens at the trade deadline. I mean, sorry, at the draft with him. But Besser is the one for me to really, really watch in the offseason. Would their interest in Jake Genssel at this deadline carry into free agency? I would assume yes. The question is, is that interest, like, what is their level of interest? Is it like we have to get this player or we're interested in something that could be construed as a fair deal? Yeah. Right? And if they're really into that player, then I just don't know if you can do both. Right? Right? And like both Besser and Genssel. Genssel, like, I don't think you can sign both two long term extensions. Because now you're talking about, you just gave Pedersen one, which is fine, right? But you gave Pedersen an extension, Miller's extended, you're giving her own one potentially. You're signing Genssel and you're extending Besser as well. Like, then you're locked in. Yeah. And you have no flexibility in a few years. If any of these guys take a step back. You kind of have to do something where, like, hey, if you move Besser, you would have to do something like Genssel, which replaces Besser, and it's, in all honesty, like, probably a more impactful player. Well, if you're getting Genssel, he would be more impactful. Yeah. And then you would have to try to go get someone, like, to Foley who would be cheaper than Besser, but you would have less term on that deal. Yeah. Something like that. Or look at trades too, you know. So that's going to be the big thing. There isn't really a ton of unrestricted free agents that I am, you know. Well, it depends on who gets there. Falling head over heels in love with. Like, is Sam Reinhardt actually get there? I don't think so, right? Mordum loves it. Yeah. But if you guys tend to sign in Florida. Yeah. I would. Guys will take $5 million less to sign in Florida. Yeah. Total money. Like, it's just, it happens. It's Florida. I'd sign there for Winnipeg. Did you guys see Eric Francis and Ryan Leslie doing their trade deadline yesterday from the beach? Oh yeah. They want to get trades in Florida. They want a fan. That looks amazing right now. They would sign a two way deal to go to Florida. Yeah. Look up this morning. It was just like one of those perpetually dark days. Yeah. It's just like, man, I don't need to see Ryan Leslie like his head shining on the Florida beach right now. He's like wearing a linen shirt too. Yeah. Like, so nice and casual. Looking swift. So yeah, of course guys are going to sign a little bit less. Vladimir Terrasenko. What do I want to do? Only place I want to go is Florida. That's it. Trade me to Florida, Ottawa. Okay. Guess we're stuck here. Thanks, Vlad. Thanks, Vlad. By the way, Besser has a modified no trade clause that kicks in on July 1st as well. What is it? It's like a 12-12 team, no trade list. Yeah. That kicks in on July 1st, so the draft. So the draft would be a... That's your time. Yeah. You have to make a decision on Besser by the draft. The things, the players I kind of like worry about. Jake DeBrusk is one that's kind of interesting, still fairly youngish when he's going to hit free agency this summer, but also do you want to, like, sometimes those four to five million dollar type wingers just aren't worth the four to five million dollars that they're going to get in free agency, right? So that's always something in UFA that I would be wary of. And right now there's not a lot of guys that jump off the page outside of, you know, having to spend an uncomfortable amount of money on Jake Genssel. Mm-hmm. We got a couple more here. This one from Jay. On a Stanley Cup winning team, there is almost always a player who comes out of nowhere and contributes far above what's expected. Should the Canucks make it that far? Who do you think that player would be? It merges out of nowhere. Kind of, like, that people around the league don't really know, and then when you have more eyes on it, you're like, "Oh, wow, this guy's really good." And maybe they step up in the playoffs as well. I mean, Barba Shev was kind of that last year, I think. I feel like Podkolzen could be that player. Yeah, I was going to probably, as Podkolzen's probably the guy. I almost want to say Joshua. Oh, you know what, actually, I'm going to go off the board. Carson Sousie. Ooh. Ooh. Sousie is ridiculously good now. Like he's so much better than I thought he would be. Man, I remember us talking about him in the summer and being like, "Ah, I don't know." I was like, you know, like he's fared really well playing, you know, third pair of minutes. And to be fair, he's not playing like 20 minutes a game or whatever, right? But he, you know, he's never been asked to play bigger minutes. So the question was, can he be more than what they think he is? You're making the three-year commitment? I don't know, right? I wasn't sure. I liked some of the things I've seen, but I just wasn't sure if he can actually be a top four D-man. My goodness is he good, right? Like, defensively, his stick is so active. But then how calm he is with the puck and how he handles it. He's come back from injury, played the right side, and it's seamless. Absolutely seamless. Well, and he's comfortable activating too. Yeah. Yes. And very comfortable in the offensive zone, you know, knowing when to shoot the puck, knowing who to pass to what space is to occupy, like just a very solid hockey player. Yes. I think he's sort of big, especially, they lost their first two games of the season with Susie and the lineup. And then since then, they've got one regulation loss, 18, one and two. 18, three and two, yeah, with him and the lineup. It's 18, one and two since those two losses to Philadelphia and Tampa Bay because he missed the first two games against Edmonton. I mean, you're talking about like a 90% win frame with this guy in the lineup. It's just-- And it's all him. It's obviously-- there's something to it. He's played so well, and I think he's now the favorite for unsung hero, but I'll stick with POD Colson, very impressed with what we've seen from POD so far and hope that continues. It is wild that every time Susie's in the lineup, it just feels like that's when the Canucks are, you're like, oh man, this team's playing with so much structure and they just feel complete. Maybe it's like weird coincidence timing-wise, but he defends the blue line so well. Yeah, he really does. Right. He forces teams to cough up the puck or just, you know, doesn't make anything easy through the neutral zone. I think you're like-- well, when he's usually paired with Myers, what thing we'll probably see in the playoffs as, you know, teams really get a book on how they want to attack you, and they get a feel for that as the series develops, you'll see teams when they try to get their entries and Susie's on the ice, they're going to shade away from him. Yeah, 100%. And he's so good at angling guys, too. Yeah. Like, he'll give you some space, but he's going-- like, he'll shepherd you to an area where you're not going to do anything. Yeah. And, you know, for a guy who's very big, he's pretty good on his edges, and he's really good at doing a little fake turn and then just to get, you know, evade a forechecker and just make a simple play out. And again, there's nothing really flashy about him, and he's not like a nine or a ten on any one thing, except for, you know, I'd say defensive habits or excellent. I don't know. I'm just like, every time I'm watching God play, I'm like, man, this guy's so good. We've come a long way since that first day in Victoria, because that first training camp scrimmage, and we were watching, and it was just like, well, every single puck blew up on a stick. Yeah. The puck was a hand grenade to him. Every single time he got a pass of the puck, just he couldn't handle the puck. Now, again, it's training camp or whatever and everything, but yeah, if you watch that first training camp practice and watch them today, you wouldn't believe they're the same player. Yeah, he was. And the fact that he's been out of the lineup, and he comes in, it's like seamless, scary, scary good. We'll end with this one from one CDN playoff matchups are all over the place. Rank your most to least desired first round opposition. Most to least desired. So let's go through the teams then, right? So it would be, let's throw like LA Nashville, Vegas, and then if we want to Calgary and Seattle. Let's not, you know what? Forget Calgary and Seattle. Let's just do Vegas Nashville and LA, really. Those are the three teams, right? Yeah. How is Nashville not the most, yeah, most favorable matchup? Yeah. I'd say, I mean, maybe you're worried about sorrows going off, I guess. Is LA a more favorable matchup? Yeah. No, I'd say, I'd say Nash. I still rather play Nashville. I'd say Nashville, LA, Vegas, but if LA gets Kempe back and, you know, like some of their other guys back runs from in, in our vids and their top nine becomes a little bit more formidable, right? So Nashville is, is still the team. I think you want it. You would prefer to go up against in the first round. Yeah. Yeah. After that, their ads weren't really impressive either. Yeah. Because I mean, obviously, Seattle and Calgary would rank one too if you include those teams, right? I think it's obvious. But out of those teams, I would go Nashville, LA. And then LA would be second most favorable. Yeah. The last thing you want right now as it continues to potentially develop Peter, because LA is a head-on points percentage and a head-on points, well, they're head-on points and they have a game in hand on the Vegas Golden Knights, what I meant to say, they, like Vegas could be the first round opponent right now. It could be. And right now that's who the Canucks are playing. If the playoffs start today, that's who they're playing. That's scary. It's uncomfortable. Yeah. It's very uncomfortable. Yeah, it's very uncomfortable. But it's awful. But, but guys, what, what have we said about the Western Conference this year? Yeah. It's like it's six or seven deep. Yeah. But if you were going to play a tough opponent outside of Nashville, if you're not playing any Nashville. Yes. This is Josh standing on the tee of a dog leg left. It's very uncomfortable for a man with his legs. No, it's going right, Nashville. We arrived. It's just too, just to like throw it out there. Would you rather play if one of these teams, which team would you rather not sneak into the playoffs? Calgary or Seattle, if you had to play one of them? Not that like the Canucks should necessarily be afraid of either of them. Is it maybe Seattle because they, they at least have most of roster intact? Yeah. Whereas Calgary is so depleted, like I do almost, I know they have Markstrom and they still have some guys, but Seattle only sold one per year. Yeah. That's it. And Seattle, like their speed is just always kind of, yeah, been a thing against the Canucks. Yeah. They've underachieved this year. The only thing you're worried about with Calgary is Jacob Markstrom just steals the stairs. Something super human as he has for most of this season in, in light of what happened at the deadline. Yeah. If the playoffs were to start today with the teams that are in it today, are the Canucks in the top half or the bottom half of the Western conference teams in the playoffs? Oh, they're in top half. So they're a top four team. You think so? Admin based on like vibes, not based on, yeah, I was not, yeah, not standings. It's just straight vibes. I kind of think I would take like Dallas, Colorado, Edmonton, maybe Vegas over them. They're either four or five. Vegas is so weird. I like Dallas a lot. I'm not sure I'm taking Dallas over Vancouver though, like the TANF like, like swinging for you that much. Dallas is better version of the peg of that. Yeah. He's like, yeah. I mean, I just thought they were like, I know I'm always, I've been higher on the stars than you have been, but I think TANF also just puts it a little more over. Yeah. I like the stars a lot. I think they can win the Stanley Cup. There's no doubt. Like absolutely. I think they can win a cup. I think even Winnipeg and when the Colorado Vegas and Edmonton are the only teams with a bullet. I think I'd put ahead of the Canucks right now. And it's mainly, yeah, that's why I think four, big sense top four, you can debate four five, right? They're right on the cusp. Yeah. I think it's, you know, it's easy with the trades all made. Someone was like, you know, fade Vancouver, but we'll see how it all goes. I mean, like we said yesterday when people were so mad about it, like Lindholm hasn't worked out. It's like, well, everyone's assuming all the trades everybody else has made is going to work out right away. And it's going to be this, this massive, you know, success story and it's not always the case. I mean, it's not Vegas last night, like they didn't look, and it's the first game of Manta Hanifen and they don't have stone, but they didn't, didn't look great. What if we're looking at the whole Vegas thing wrong that we should view the aggressiveness as a sign of desperation of for how bad their situation is. They were so scared of Patterson Miller and Lindholm, the thought of playing them in the first round of the playoffs. And is it almost bad to go ahead and get Thomas Hurdle? Or they made too many big moves almost, right? You're trying to integrate now to Marsh Hurdle, who's like a legitimate top end guy in your Hanifens coming in, right? Yeah. Yeah. You're traded for Anthony Manta as well. Like that's a, that's a lot of turnover. Yeah. And significant turnover. I'm still not convinced on Manta. I think he's just a big body. Look at us trying to like talk Vegas down. You know what guys? I think Vegas sucks. I agree. It's Dan Reicho, Satyarsha. That's the mailbag here on Canucks Central.
