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Common Sense? Request Denied – With Dr Robert Evered, Retired Occupational Physician
Get up close and personal with one of our expert UK Column members, Dr Robert Evered. What is an Occupational Physician? Why should we listen to him? Can we trust any medical professional? Direct answers to direct questions. Let’s bring back common sense and logic. Read the write-up at: https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/common-sense-request-denied-with-dr-robert-evered-retired-occupational-physician
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- 08 Oct 2024
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Hello, it is Ryan and I was on a flight the other day playing one of my favorite social spin slot games on Chumbakasino.com I looked over the person sitting next to me and you know what they were doing They're also playing Chumbakasino everybody's loving having fun with it Chumbakasino is home to hundreds of casino style games But you can play for free anytime anywhere so sign up now at Chumbakasino.com to claim your free welcome bonus That's Chumbakasino.com and live the Chumba life sponsored by Chumbakasino no purchase necessary vgw group void where prohibited by law 18 plus terms and conditions apply Hello and welcome to another UK column interview and for those that don't know me My name is Debbie Evans. I'm a retired NHS ward sister and I was a government advisor at the Department of Health for five years and you know, I'm so privileged to be able to work with an incredible team of investigative journalists tech experts producers and I get to speak to a huge amount of experts that you yourselves have watched but the best thing of all is that I get to speak to you our audience and For those of you that aren't members You might like to think to join because it's a great family and at the end of the day UK column has stood the test of time But for those members now watching and those of you in the chat box and those of you that regularly Contribute to the forums. I am absolutely delighted to be able to welcome Deniah well, you all know him as deniah and and I'm hoping that you're gonna give him a massive welcome because he's one of us he's one of our UK column family and You know, we're very humbled in the many of our members if not all of our members are experts in their own right in so many different varied occupations and None so more than deniah a bit of a story to the forum name. Maybe we'll come on to that later but You'll have heard me on many news is saying I've taken medical advice And I'll be introducing you to the person that I've taken advice from and today is the day that I'm gonna introduce you to dr Robert Everett and he is a retired Consultant occupational physician now, that's very interesting because occupational physician. What does that mean? but Robert very very kindly agreed not only just to pour out common sense and Frank speaking it isn't that what we need right now He agreed to come and speak to us on camera Robert welcome to UK column at last We we are together. Thank you so much for agreeing to speak to us and just give us a little bit introduction to who you are Okay, thanks. Are we from writing me on I was quite flattered when you contact me and said would I do an article or have an interview with UK C I opted for the interview on the grounds having read UK columns articles are such high standard the bar is set so high by people like Martin and Edwards and the like that I felt the interview beneath the two options, but I will try and do something some time for the column About myself. I qualified as a doctor from guys hospital in 1977 I Spent about The first 20 years of my career working in the NHS initially in hospital medicine and then 12 years as a GP partner I Resigned in 1996 and decided to retrain So I got a job with the RAF I studied aviation medicine with them and at the same time did an MSC with mentioned university in occupational medicine And finally qualified as a insult and credited consultant around 2003 Those last 25 years of my career. I work in industry working for various companies and It's probably worth at this point going into whom I did work for Because whenever I listen then we're speaking or I listen to any of these Any written information I do the usual three things which most UK column members I'm sure will do which is the who what why who said it. What did they say and why did they say it? So before anybody listens to me. I thought I'd say who I am so those are my qualifications But I think to expand on the occupational position side It'd be worth just going to the organizations that I actually work for as a contractor I'm just looking through the sort of list. I had a very typical career I'd work for the police force maritime countries as an MC examiner Work for education establishments many further education. I work in paper and steel mills I work for a lead refinery as an HSC appointed doctor and Finally, I ended up in nuclear power generation as an appointed doctor. They're just in in ionizing radiation So that is my background as to why I might be worth listening to And can I just say to our members? Thank you so much for supporting us because that Those are the kinds of members we have I mean the wealth of experience the wealth of knowledge robot that you have is It's just invaluable and it's why UK column operates very much on a a two way We're it's a two-way journey many many of our members say oh you keep us saying But you as well keep us saying but how did you come across the column? How did you find us in the first place? Actually, I didn't my wife We don't do social media. I don't own TV set We unplug the radio about four years ago, so we don't have a lot of external contact So we spend most of our time on the internet being research looking into various Things that are taking place over the last few years and it was my wife that actually was going through looking through something And then came across a reference to UK column So she went to that reference and then we set it down and we listened and then I read quite a few the articles And that was it really we've stuck with the column for the last four years well over four years now And read most of the articles that have been written during that time Learning to be normal somehow We are so delighted We're just so delighted to have members Like you who give us so in so much information and you know we read the forums all of us read the forums And we've noticed so much common sense and frank speaking and in particular from our members especially you Robert because you always come up with a very measured meaningful answer and You know as you know our UK column audience are very switched on They're very aware of what is going on and what the agenda is and I'm gonna ask you this really big question And I don't know what you're gonna say to it, but You know for all of us that are aware of the agenda we all ask the one question don't we is our government trying to kill us and We we all individually have our own answers right, but you also have your own answer don't you so Please respond. I mean It's the one question and the one comment. I think that people find really really difficult to take on board Is when you say do you are you not aware that your government is trying to harm you? People don't seem to be able to They can't get their heads around it. They can't wrap their heads around it. What's your response to that? The obvious answer is they've always filled their populations You only would look at the First World War and 7 million dead and who created the First World War. I mean it was a creation It didn't happen spontaneously. I had people like you know the various Actors roads no one a group etc cause that and then if you just look at what governments have been up to since and Basically when you you sort of look at what the government has been up to of late I mean I was just going through it the other day and I Found an interesting definition of democide. That's where your government is trying to kill you And it was actually from a Chinese chap and his definition was a situation with democracy Incremently of a next and limit the democratic rights and freedoms available to its citizens in order to safeguard itself from popular threats And that's exactly what we've got right now It is a form of democide. They've caused financial collapse Well, we know eventually with financial caps. You would just get poverty poverty kills people. It brings disease they've injected untested Needed drugs into people and particularly children. We saw that with a covered scam It destroyed our health system systematically since the mid-80s The promoting assisted dying has been the right thing to do And they've been seeking and promoting wars in most countries. This is the UK government in most countries on the planet So I don't think you need much more evidence than that that the government is quite capable in its citizens And that is exactly why I love your responses on the forum because I ask a question and you've given answer and That leads me quite nicely on actually to the as you call it conveyed covid confidence lies and One of the things that is so amazing about our audience is that they do things They write freedom of information. They write to their MPs. They speak up they pass the word and You've been doing exactly the same Robert and I know that you're very keen to talk about The covid deaths your freedom of information that you've been that you've been writing So what have you been doing behind the scenes to expose the lies that we are being told? I suppose the first thing to state is When it all came about the idea that some sort of lethal virus gonna hold the entire world's population I found it most ridiculous statement on the ground viruses don't kill people That minor irritating sort of parasites. It gives us the sniffles aches and shakes and disappear I know there's a lot of people in the column will be going oh dear leaves and viruses Well, I do believe the virus is for various reasons But I do not believe in the lethality of viruses. They don't kill us. You get flu You don't go over the flu virus. You don't secondary bacterial pneumonia So the first thing that is going to be this terrible world pandemic killing everybody because of the virus was ridiculous A virus is not that unintelligent because viruses only live a few hours outside of a host at best Easily destroyed by dehydration ultraviolet light, etc So if they kill a host of ours, there's not a good thing to do so they don't So that was the first thing when it came about that I did not believe One minute that there is a lethal virus and the whatever will be we have had odd viruses like Ebola far up every now And then they've been done about the decades They do a little bit of damage and then disappear again Because it's not very safe to kill everybody that the virus could ever come across. So that was the first thing Secondly, there were lots of ways that people could have done if they wanted to particularly doctors to actually see what was going on in the NHS during the beginning of the crisis There was then but there isn't now of course access to something called the NHS dashboard and this is the real time readout from hospitals or bed usage in the UK So the height of the pandemic which was about the second third weekend in April 2020 I went on there and decided I don't have a look and see what the bed usage was. So if I've just given you the actual thing I downloaded at the time So this was for the 25th of April 2020 40.9% of NHS general acute beds were unoccupied That is 37,500 of the total 91,600 beds Remember, this is a peak of a pandemic people are dying all over the place Across England 3,228 patients were in critical care beds Which represented 78% of the total of 4,122 critical air beds The normal occupancy rate, by the way, for intensive care beds is over 90% And in London alone, although there were 1,127 patients in critical care, there were 1,550 empty critical care beds Now the height of a pandemic, but that stinks to me It stinks to me as well and this is This is why our members are so important and our audience is so important because we're bringing out facts like this So basically, Robert, what we're saying is the hospitals were empty So the nightingale hospitals that were all put up as these sort of overflow hospitals They were never needed in the first place And you have that officially, because you wrote the freedom of information didn't you? Let's look at the the question explained to us how you got that information In this country, we have a system called RIDL, which sounds like a reporting of injuries, diseases, and dangerous occurrences And it's a mandatory Reporting system So that should anybody be injured or killed in a workplace, the HSE has to be informed And if you do not do that, you're breaking the law, you can be fined and even in prison So I wrote to the HSE and asked them How many people between, I think that's obviously upside Yeah, the actual wording I used is Could I have a number of deaths reported to the HSE by RIDL for each year from January 2019 The December 2022 due to exposure to biological agents I asked this to be broke down into exposure and agriculture and better resetting as laboratory work Experiment and investigative and health care both NHS and private I thought I'd decide it's a rather than just add You know, how many people have been reported as dying of COVID from workplaces? I put in biological agents. I didn't expect many to turn up anyway The result was that the HSE came back and said none So How can you have a terrible pandemic when people are working in hospitals and the like And none of the staff had died of it All occupational health departments were sent by the faculty of occupational medicine Details of how they had to report under RIDL if a member of staff Has been exposed to COVID and then subsequently became ill or died of it so Every hospital in the country would have their Automation health department would have known that this had to be reported and under what service happened There are other things that were taking place at the time. There's some GP magazines called pulse general practitioner And I came across one of these I think it was general practitioner, which had listed a hundred doctors that had It inferred had died on the frontline fighting code So I had a look at them and they're often named so I had a look on the GMC website to actually see Whether these doctors were still registered invariably they were not because they were retired in other words They had just died because they were old They'd been put down as COVID and yet even in the GP medical press They were trying to fool people or at least the propaganda eyes it and say that GPs were dying Frontline work, which they were not So there was a whole raft of lies taking place all at the same time What is going on Robert why I mean when you and I trains we're of a Same generation we trained at the same time We're both London trained as well. I trained at the royal free you trained at guys We This is common sense, right? how are doctors being conned or are they being conned Into carrying on with this narrative even today. I mean even today in 2024 They are promoting more rollouts of more injections for a pandemic pandemic that doesn't exist So what is going wrong in the medical profession? That is very good to say I Firstly, let's say GPs particularly have experience of viruses. They see tons and tons of viral infections Don't be able to go home to aspirin drink water whatever And therefore they would be fully aware But viruses don't kill people they won't have seen anybody die. I think in my entire medical career I saw one young child died of viral encephalitis And that was in 40 odd years. So firstly, I don't know why they believe there is terrible viruses out there um I don't know what the training is now And it seems to me they they get shoved down the small end of the funnel very rapidly after After qualifying and become specialists But their specialty is so limited. They don't think outside of that specialty itself I don't think that helps because it doesn't give you a broad range of experience in medicine Um, but overall, I have no idea. I mean, it's like them wearing masks I mean anybody with an ounce of scent to work out that a virus is about 18 nanometers And the smallest hole you can breathe through is about one micro point normal one in a micron Well, obviously viruses holding hands you could probably get 10 000 sideways going through the smallest hole you could breathe through So why not do they wear masks for things that they must know Faster as easy as anything. I I've no answer to you. I can't understand it so Let's go back to the elephant in the room because Um, robert, you you know, you know what the forums are going to be saying and you know what the chat box is going to be saying Many of them are going to be saying, oh, here we go viruses again Um, and I do I do want to go back to this because I think it's really important because you have common sense um advice on Why viruses don't kill people that the reason viruses don't kill people Is because they need a host to survive. So It's it's kind of not rocket science to realize that this is impossible. But what is important Is bacteria and this is something that people I think forget about or or they don't associate with regards to viruses. Can you tell us the importance and and again Maybe address your comments to to people in the chat box that are watching now going. Oh, you know We will with you robert right until you said that about viruses What's your response because so much is dividing us at the moment And I want to try and bring everybody back together again Oh, I'm all full of people that say that the more that save viruses don't exist. They are not going to comply with any um, requirements to mask up socially distance get jabbed up get a jab passed for anything else So we're all on the same side um As far as i'm concerned viruses have been weaponized against us for control. It's as simple as that They're just irritating none interesting little things that I wouldn't pass the time of day to even think about myself So those that don't believe exist. I'm absolutely fine with it Because we're all on the same page, you know, we're not going to comply. We're not going to mask up. We're not going to get jabbed Um, and I think it's important to see what they are being used for as I say, they're weaponized They're part of this large scam scam. I should put of um, you know, eventually going to lock us up with digital passports and digital identity and everything else that goes with the What's taking place now Back here on the other hand, I don't think anybody can just be that just gone by a cheap microscope for the drop of urine on it Leave it for a day in the warm and come back and see it's seething with rods and And um, cones of various bacteria usually E. Coli So you can see those with their own eyes Bacteria are not discriminatory. They will kill healthy people um And they are extremely unpleasant and I think that's one of the reasons perhaps we are getting all this uh, microbial resistance Um going on at present time. I think it's because they're going to limit the use of antibiotics So the majority that's when we catch Any serious illness will not be given antibiotics in the first instance This will of course would be quite serious with flu because people don't die of flu, but they die of secondary pneumonia So I think it'd be another way of culling the elderly by saying no, we don't use antibiotics It's just the flu by the time they sort of get to a level where it's very obvious. They're dying It'll be too late anyway because antibiotics take three or four days to even kick in So I think anti-microbial resistance is another one of their ways of culling the population by restricting their usage Because I say even healthy people would die back to your infections I absolutely agree and um, I have to say to anybody that's watching UK column have done a lot of work on anti-microbial resistance Dame sally Davis who has declared that actually Anti-microbial resistance will kill more people than climate change So clearly it's on the agenda and we've got shortages of antibiotics But again, it's this is why it's so great for your common sense and and your frank Speaking Robert because some people will be saying oh Allopathic medicine antibiotics. You don't want to take those Stay away from antibiotics and yet To be honest antibiotics have saved my life Um, and they've also saved my son's life as well. So uh one of my son's lives. Um So what do you say to people that go? I'll stay away from all allopathic medicine stay away from antibiotics and I get That the antibiotics that we have at the moment the ones that we're familiar with the penicillins amoxicillins Um, doxy um, doxycyclins all of those that we're familiar with those are ultimately going to disappear And we're going to be fed a whole load of New biological antibiotics or monoclonal Antibodies, uh, or maybe even m r m r n a Antibiotics, but what do you say to people who say that? All allopathic medicine should stay away from it I think then people haven't experienced what I have I've seen perfectly fit healthy people who have got something minor like So a cut on the hand then develops sending cellulitis up the arm And then die with it about five to seven days. I've seen Many many people die unnecessarily from infection um It's as simple as that. So unless you've seen it And one of the people at really stuck in my mind as a chap in his shirt 40 who is very very fit very healthy And he got a streptococcal leg infection And um, I bit into the hospital because it was severe enough. It was tracked probably up to his knee on a soreum And he clearly needed intravenous antibiotics So he went into hospital. He was put on intravenous antibiotics um He seemed to recover well over five to seven days He had run his wife to tell her that to come and collect him. He was coming home And he dropped dead on the ward because the earl streptococcus produced a toxin that Actually killed him. So although the infection deserted gone in his leg Uh, he actually died because of the um streptococcal um toxin So, uh, even with antibiotics you can still die from bacteria Like I say antibiotics have saved my life Um, and I can I really can see a shortage of antibiotics I've even heard from people who are telling me that they're now resistant to antibiotics. Oh, no. No, it's it's all right What they're saying we are now resistant to antibiotics, but then i've been finding out that they've been on Three-day courses or shorter than a seven-day course So they're not getting the length or duration of course that they would normally get of antibiotics and in some instances They're not getting the dose either Um, and when I was speaking to dr. Sabine hasan Um, I've heard her saying that some of the ivermectin That she's been looking at has been low dose or even fake with nothing in it at all. So You know, obviously they are playing about With our medicines that we we already know so i'm absolutely convinced that antimicrobial resistance is a big agenda Moving forward and we'll talk about the future and what you see coming up in the future in in a minute, but We seem to have divided Roberts and you know, like I say you watch the forums. You know what our audience Um want to talk about And we've got this huge division through Israel and Palestine division through climate change and that's probably why Um, you're come on to tell us why your name on the forum is denier because you pretty much deny every agenda that's going on at the moment But we've got so much division. Why do you think that is and what can we do? To reunite and bring everybody back together so that we're all singing from the same page if possible I think the first thing we've got to recognize is that the type of people we are these people, you know, those are on the column are independent thinkers And independent thinkers hold very strong views Um, and they're not likely to change in particularly easily So I think the important thing is to focus on what really matters I think we're all in the greed that we're in a situation whereby our society that we have lived in Is being totally changed by a bunch of psychopaths Um, I think whether the world is flat or round really doesn't count. That's not going to kill me Um There are many things like Israel obviously which are a disastrous Particularly what's taking place in Palestine And we can all have our own beliefs as to which side is that old Uh, I think at the end of the day There is one agenda and all the other parts that are taking place Like what's taking place in Lebanon and everything else is all to distract from their actual plan Just to take which is globalism just to control the world's population and to decrease its numbers significantly And they seem to want to have the planet themselves and only want a few slaves left, which is why I think we've got the pan going So that's my opinion that we should all stick together because it doesn't matter how we disagree when a virus is exist Um or anything else what matters Is do we believe that we're in the grips of most terrible Period in human history if we agree with that when we should stick together See what I mean about common sense. I mean It really is as important as that as As sticking together and You know with all of these areas of division that we have when we can talk about Chem trails. We can talk about flat earth as you've said But where I see a real danger Roberts is that when when you and I were in a hospital environment You used to come on the ward and not you personally because sadly we never we never met in in a clinical setting but Consultants would come on the wards And they would write in the medical notes um What where we were going forward what investigations that patient was having what treatment? Etc. And the nurses who were in uniform and the doctors were in white coats The nurses would write notes in the car decks And we would have a handover every morning. And I know that you're going to talk about um What you did during handover? But I'm looking now at Uh an industry because it's not a health service. It's a sick service. It's a dead service I'm looking at a service that's going digital Where no hands are being held? Where people are writing nurses are writing in medical notes nurses are putting things in into digital Files where the future doesn't seem to be the patient. The future seems to be reliant on devices So we're reliant on a test result that's come from where We're reliant on an oximeter to tell us how many what our saturation is We're reliant on some form of digital maybe an iPad or a camera sitting next to our beds What's gone wrong? And what can you see or the perils that we seem to be treading into With regards to digitization in the future in medicine I think the first thing that's gone wrong is that people just don't communicate anymore um like they used to I mean it would be perfectly normal with One, you know One was going around a ward that you would actually sit on the side of the bed with a patient particularly if they were elderly and even You know, just hold their hand anything to Make them feel better Because I mean at the end of the day we're a public servant to do work you know guess and you're there to actually improve people's health I think people have just lost They're they're interested in in people I was fascinating a few years ago I used to go to conferences occupational conferences and I went to one at the NEC which was mainly for private occupational positions and You wouldn't get to the NEC come off at the station I don't know if you know it's got a long sort of walkway There's actually an automatic walkway so you could just sort of stand on it and get transported Or you can use your own legs Lightwise there's escalators or you can use stairs Well, anyway, I've been to the the the private one and then there was an NHS one about two months later And it exact the same thing got off the train went into the uh Into the NEC And it all seemed very different. I couldn't put my finger exactly what was wrong at first And then I realized what it was when I went to the private conference that people chatting Walking briskly using the stairs, not the elevators They're all happy and they were had about some their step I didn't look to all the NHS employees. They were shuffling along. They were using the automatic walkways They were using the escalators their heads were down and nobody's really talking to each other And what was looking like a completely different species of human beings Um, and it really stuck in my mind. I thought yes, this is the problem with the NHS It's the people that work in it on the biggest problem Is that down to vocation? Do you think Robert because I've said often in my day You know, it was an honor. It was a privilege to be accepted as a a student nurse There was competition You know, there was maybe 60 places For a year's intake and maybe 400 applicants for a london teaching hospital. So are we saying that the vocational um side of medicine has seemingly disappeared I think it probably has I don't know the motivation of a lot of people who are working in health care. Most of them don't seem to enjoy it Well, I don't have a lot of contact anymore with people who work in as doctors running similar I think a lot of it is management I left in 96 because of the constant interference By various groups of people into the NHS. I mean there's a whole list of Changes that took place that caused me to leave They turned general practice into a business of that. I have no doubt at all Uh, people were then incentivized to work. I've been paid for doing ludicrous things like Um, well person checks. He got something perfectly well. We spent time looking at them They took away, um, domestic property for the elderly for instance Well, we all know we shouldn't know that the main reason why they only go off their feet is often due to property problems So gps were happily accepting Uh bribes if you like but the government to do things the government wanted them to do Um at the same time as losing useful, uh, clinical uh treatments so China did did change. I would have said in the mid 90s is when there was a real deterioration in the NHS There were many tiers of management who were brought in Um, and that in itself changed The relationship I think between staff and seniors for instance You know when white for consultant the consultant determined his own list They say surgery or or how the hospital how he ran his clinics Then of course management was brought in and managers decided how the consultant Um worked, you know what was on his list And I think the same occurred with nurses you then first of all you got the nurse managers who will replace the sisters Um, and again this cause in what in all was problems. I think it's it's been a gradual grinding down of the workforce And I think the sort of people are attracted into nursing and medicine today Are probably very different from the type that were attracted to in my day and your day Yeah, I think from a nursing point of view project 2000. I think was the kiss of death when um, Nurses became university Graduates and and it just all has gone downhill. I mean for me personally I I I knew every single one of my patients on my ward, right? I I would go on a morning shift And I would say good morning to every single one of them after I'd had handover And then before I went home. I would say good night or goodbye To every single one of them and they knew me by name And at the moment we have people in the NHS who we don't know who they are We don't know what qualifications they've got and do they know their patients? I would argue that actually they don't they don't know their patients and what can we trust? in the NHS if we can't trust doctors and we can't trust nurses then perhaps we can trust the tests and This is another subject that seems to have arisen from nowhere one in two Get cancer and of course we're seeing huge rises in young people with cancer turbo cancer Vaccine serious adverse reactions perhaps will maybe Maybe we'll have to do a second interview robert if you're up for it and we'll go into that But I want to talk about tests because we talked about this Prior to today's interview and I think it's really important women are being called for smear tests and men are being called for PSA is all about your prostate all about prostate all about cancer one in two die of cancer, which I think that statistic came in around 2015 so it's recent So what is your response to people who are saying? Oh, I'm off to get my psa test or I'm off to go for myself My cervical smear should we trust these tests? Testing my day was something you did as an adjunct to a clinical examination other words you To the history from the patient, which was the longest part of an examination is actually getting an accurate history You then have an idea what you think is wrong with the patient because you've listened to them you then will examine the patient and that will either confirm or refute some of the things you were thinking were likely to be a cause of the symptoms And then you would do tests to confirm what you thought was the diagnosis. They were confirmatory What we see now Is tests are done and then they're given to the patient in other words, but if it patient goes along has a psa test PSA comes back raised and now of course they will keep repeating that test or do prostate biopsies Even though there's no real reason why that person will have prostate cancer I've seen it many times with things like MRI scans done whereby people have been told oh, yes MRI is normal there's nothing wrong with you This terrible sciatica you've got the MRI says you haven't got anything wrong with you And on one occasion I had a woman who was in her 30s very sensible rating Who had severe sciatica? Absolute classic L5 S1 fifth number first staple root compression and right down to the soul of a foot She'd lost her ankle reflex, which is another sign that she got significant nerve compression and then She started becoming incontinent which again can be a symptom of L5 S1 root compression She went for an MRI the MRI came back. It was reported as normal She was therefore discharged by the hospital saying no, there's nothing more they can do for her MRIs normal She doesn't have a disproduct I think about two weeks later I saw several more times and it was clear that she'd now become completely incontinent Eventually I managed to convince the surgeon to do an exploratory much against his will But he very kindly did so and took a piece of this material out of her spinal column Nearly the size of the of the fingertip which were causing her symptoms So that's an MRI scan That didn't give the diagnosis. I mean it said there was nothing there but there was something there So the reason she eventually I think God got controlled her bowel and bladder back was because she was operated on without it She had been left only doubling incontinent at 30 So that's my belief in negative tests As regards to positive test night PSA's, I've never had one door ever will do PSA should only ever be used in my opinion the monitoring of people who have been diagnosed and have secondary prostate cancer In these people it's often in the hundreds the levels of the hundred or more You put them on say an anti-estrogen if the level doesn't fall you then try a different drug if it falls That's the right drug. That's the way to use it The blanket test people for PSA's and then say above four if you're over 65 I think is the current thing Is abnormal and you probably got prostate cancer is just making people Into worried sick when they're not even sick So no, I don't know any time for a lot of tests. They should be done as a a confirmatory aspect of a clinical diagnosis Robert we've got I mean we've got seven million on the waiting list and it's growing and we know that the NHS has collapsed I mean the lord darsey report which he did in eight weeks tell us that the NHS is is in a dire state which we already knew so What does the future hold do you think for the NHS has the NHS gone forever as I believe that it has I mean where where you and I remember um hospitals with windows open Visitors coming through the door at two o'clock with bunches of flowers and magazines and quizzing the staff on on how they're loved what that's gone That's completely gone and we've now almost Come to a situation where hospitals are prohibited actually and what you get met with at a hospital now as a security guard And relatives aren't welcome and in our day The relatives and the family were our regulators, you know if there was something going wrong or if there was a problem We would soon know about it With this digitization of the NHS and the NHS app, you know, everybody's been apparently 34 million have been have been downloading the NHS app which I personally think is the Digital what is the key to a digital help? Um, and I would ask people to consider whether downloading the NHS app is a sensible thing but Where is this taking doctors? Are we simply Getting rid of doctors have doctors become the turkeys at christmas and we're all going to need engineers because we're going to be transhumans What do you see in the future of the NHS? There isn't a feature of the NHS Actually, no doubt about it. It will be hived off privatized and that's always been the intention. I'm sure over the last two three decades Um, you know, we saw the foundations of it in the in the sort of 80s and 90s with GP fund-holding there was a split between provider and service provider and purchaser So it's all been set up in the Over years that the NHS can effectively be hived out to the private sector and that's where it will go I don't think medicine is going to be recognizable in three or four or five years time And firstly, as we've said earlier about the government Demicidal approach to us. They don't want to give us health care. Why would they and they've no intention of keeping us alive? Um, the MHR is you fully know is it just a complete joke Um, they've no interest in our health and therefore they're not them interested in in making a functional health service system I think in the future as you say Much surgery will be robotic I think most medicine will probably shift that shifted out to empty shocks in the high street um We will get to see somebody I don't think it'll be A fully qualified doctor if there are any left anyway Uh, I don't know what you're going to be seeing, but it's certainly not going to be beneficial to us I think certainly we're going to see more and more less qualified people doing more and more Uh skilled supposedly skilled interventions. We already have seen nurses doing quite extensive uh surgery on people Um, we've got as you spoke in the past about doctors and the lights So I think we're just going to have a system whereby there'll be um, not a very minimally qualified people To whom the vast majority of health care will be shipped out to Yeah, I I've certainly um Observe that nurses um In my day. I keep referring back to my day, but in my day. We were trained observers We were the observers And doctors such as you Were the prescribers. So if you think about it like a pharmacy Uh, you've got the pharmacist who will authorize the drug and then you've got the dispenser Who will hand the drug over to the the person behind the counter? We're the dispenser. We dispense your instructions Right, that's that's how it's it always used to be But today it seems that nurses are doing a junior doctor's job Like we're clocking in patients for a start doctors don't seem to cluck patients in anymore And by clarking, I mean admission that I mean Doctors sitting down with a patient when they've been admitted talking to them for probably up to about an hour an hour and a half Past medical history why they're there what their expectations of their stays going to be like and generally You know telling them what what might be going on in the next couple of days. That doesn't happen We've got nurses performing surgery such as tabbies, which is a highly risky Cardiac cardiac surgical procedure so you don't know who you're seeing in the nhs um And to everybody that's watching and um, I'm sure you're going to be very active on the forum after this roberts And people are going to have loads of questions Which I know that you're going to give some very good common sense answers to but in general our audience are very switched on They know what's going on. What can we all do? What can we do moving forward? Do you think what? All of us together with no squabbles no arguments Um despite what our opinions might be How can we all move forward together? Do you think? I think half the problem is people Are not active enough. I think people have really got to get on. I know MPs are useless Um, but I think you've just got a point fingers rat of cages. There's many of us. There's only a few of them And I think that's the only way to go forward. They really would like to see us start rioting I have no doubt about that So I think the first thing is that we mustn't allow anybody to become is it the aggressive In dealing with what's going on because that is exactly what they would like I don't have an answer. I think if if there was one I think we'd all have it on the forum by now and say right we're off to do this And I think one's just got to be active. You've got to spend your time Speaking to people trying to explain to them what is going on in the world And I think the good news is more and more people seem to be waking up that things aren't right Um, you know, even the postman I was speaking to yesterday He realized that things weren't as they should be and that then goes in each row that even then say well What do you think's going on? You know, why do you think we've got this situation going? So I think all we can do is spend a lot of the time trying to inform other people that are not aware of what's going on A bit by bit what is actually taking place And as people wake up, they're not going to comply So if people can wake up to what the risk of digital currency is they're going to go back to using cash Uh, if they could get rid of the the mobile the smart phones that would be the most brilliant thing because all this would fall apart If nobody had a smartphone, um, I don't have one so uh, and I can live without it So I think it's just things I don't know. It's just informing people What do you think it's going on? And how what they can do about it is then tell up of people So I think if everybody eventually wakes up and particularly with things like there will be another Scamemic I have no doubt at all there was plenty of money to be made out of vaccinations Or what they call vaccinations not in my book really So we'll get more of that and again It'll be more the side of trying to train us so we get used to being locked up and used to Covering our faces and all the rest of it. So I'm sure we're in for more of that And I think if people Have woken up and are aware that what's coming is going to be another scamemic Um, they're not going to comply and if the masses do not comply Then it all falls apart for them I think one of the things that when we were talking before Um, I wrote it down actually And I just want you to elaborate on a little bit because again We're going back to common sense Because when I asked you why we divided Um, and what we can do going forward you said One of the reasons that we divided beliefs aren't based on fact And I thought that was a very interesting quote and it made me think actually yes, we've We've all got different beliefs But just because we've got a belief it doesn't mean that that's based on fact and that's what makes us all uniquely different um But can you just can you just elaborate on that because I thought it was a very poignant Quote to make The majority of people's beliefs, it's very difficult to prove What they think is actually correct Much of the things I believed in life when I was much younger I don't believe now Because I can't I've looked at those sort of things in the past. I used to believe in vaccinations many years ago and I'm talking many many years ago Um, I woke up very rapidly at about 19 Or I think it was mid-80s or something when they came out with the mmor Because I thought it was ridiculous because very have a vaccine of vaccination which contained three live viruses And humans never contract three live viruses at the same time. So how nerve can your immune system deal with it? So that completely shook my belief in vaccination because I thought this is ridiculous So I think you have to revisit a lot of your beliefs, but you really can't prove most of them It's very difficult to actually sit down and say, right This is fact because There are very few real facts left in life that you can actually prove I mean I was told atoms when neutrons was a protons and electrons Now we know there's both some bodies and antinutrinos and all sorts of things Even the basic building blocks of life are not understood So yes, I suppose at the end of the day I think most of our beliefs are based in fact I think that's something that we can end today's common sense and frank speaking interview on but before I hand to you for your last word Robert and my grateful thanks and I do hope our uk column audience and members in particular have enjoyed Meeting denier And I'm sure that you have but is there anything that you just want to that we haven't covered Maybe that you feel that that you want to talk about before we go to your last word Yeah, I think really concerns me most is People are not critical enough and we'll listen to people. I shouldn't listen to I mean all the way through the the convied People listen to the likes of balance and witty and Ferguson And it wasn't very it should have been in everybody's interest to go and look at these characters to actually find out Were they worth listening to back to the you know who said it? What did they say? I mean if you look at valence, I mean he was supposed to be the the independent chief scientific advisor to the government Uh, well how independent are you if you happen to be working for blacks 2003 to 2017 one of the world's biggest vaccine manufacturers Rise up to be see you know, CEO of it and during his tenureship I mean he got where he didn't personally get but the company was given $6.5 billion in fines for everything from sort of bribing doctors to falsifying Child results. I mean in 2009 we had the The h1n1 swine flu supposedly pandemic coming and of course black so had a product called relenza which he was involved with and I suppose in no uncertain terms that the child results Which they said were very effective and it was going to save lives were actually falsified This came out over a two three year period after free information request by various people and was published in the bmj in I think 2013 So, you know, you've got this character who's the chief independent scientific advisor And it's not personally a trust And then you look at people who are they listening to for the the forecast of always terrible deaths and you've got Ferguson I mean, I'll just give a quick rundown of Ferguson's CV if you like in 2002 he said that bsc would cause 150 000 cases only 77 occurred About a third flu in 2005 200 million deaths worldwide. I think 74 died worldwide 2009 swine flu 65,000 predicted deaths 457 died Zeke was going to be a three-year outbreak when it was gone the following year and copied was going to kill 500,000 deaths Of course 500,000 deaths. I mean, why would you listen to any of these people? I mean, Bitty is just the same. I mean, he's a professor of physics was given by Gresham College And for those takes part of the Mercy's company Um, that's not a great qualification in my book. You know, the city of London giving professors office officials Um things out, but there we go. People do listen and that I cannot understand People really have got to get much more critical. They have to look and say who's saying this and what are they saying if they can do that And we'll at least get somewhere and people won't be so easily myself And that is why I love listening to you and I love reading your posts and for people that want to know Where to find Robert? Well, you've got to be a member of UK column to find a robber and you will find him on the forum denier Um and to all of our members this one this one's for you Um, thank you so much for your continued support and if you like What the UK column do and you're not a member then perhaps you would consider joining our family But please share all of our content wherever you can because We are short of common sense right at the moment And we are very very fortunate in having a very learned audience Um, thank you so much. Dr. Robert Edward Denier for talking to us for talking to our audience. Um, I'm sure we'll be talking again And I know we will because you give me a lot of advice Um off air to make sure that I'm giving the audience the correct advice. So Thank you so much. And I'm going to throw to you now for your last word. Thank you Thank you, Debbie. Um I think actually rather than my last word, I mean I'd like to actually William hit me older who uh wrote this about 300 years ago And It's the following there is one clean maxim which I'm very be adhered to through life In every question in which my liberty or my property were concerned I should consult and be determined by the dictates of common sense I confess my lords that I am apt to distrust the refinements of learning because I've We've seen the ablest most learned men equally liable to deceive themselves and mislead others The condition of human nature would be lamentable indeed if nothing less than the greatest learning and talents Which fall to the share of so small a number of men were sufficient to direct our judgment and our conduct But providence has taken better care of our happiness and given us in the simplicity of common sense A rule for our direction. Oh, which we shall never be miseled It is Ryan here and I have a question for you. What do you do when you win? 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