"You know what really makes us mad, is wasting money on CDs with only one or two good songs." "Yeah, tell me about punk!" [Music] "What's up, posers? Wasn't a punk lot of pod? I'm your co-host, Justin Hinsley. I'm your other co-host, Dylan Hinsley." "And this is the show where we choose one year at random and select one punk hardcore emo or punk adjacent album from that year to discuss Patreon.com/punkcalotopod is where you get access to all of our weekly bonus audio. For $1 you get access to last week's bonus audio where we did a chart dive on the non-punk albums of 2004. "And when you remove the punk records from the year, 2004 is not a very good year." "Yeah, there was very little on those charts, anywhere on those charts that I saw records that I was interested in listening to now, either revisiting or just like, you know, I didn't know then but I would be interested in hearing now." "There was this very little that looked appealing." "So yeah, I mean, 2004, there's a lot of stuff that falls under the punk umbrella, so there's a lot of stuff that gets excluded when you take punk out, but clearly the best stuff from 2004 were punk related in some way." "That's usually the case in general, the way we do this show. We are a little biased on the type of music that we enjoy. We tend to get the most out of punk and its many influenced styles and genres. So yeah, it makes sense. I guess also like the indie rock of 2004 was probably more, I don't know, there's some stuff I saw looking at the punk charts that would normally fall under indie rock, but we'll get into that a little bit." "We also have a $5 tier called the producer/listening club tier, and this is where you will get your name said on the show as well as whatever it is you would like us to plug and get access to a once a month video chat where we discuss an album. And last month we did Bad Religion is the Grey Race. For this month we are probably going to do something a little spooky. I was suggested something by the cramps, and I don't mind doing a cramps record. We'll have to decide which one to do, I guess, but I think we're leaning towards that unless anyone has any better recommendations. And we have a $10 tier where you can choose the album we devote an entire episode to. Last week we did the American football record, and we have a couple more lined up, I think we're going to do those on the other side of the Halloween spectacular stuff. But yeah, if you want to choose the record and punish us with something, why not? We're there. Patreon.com/punkcloudopod. So yeah, this is my birthday spanking kind of. It's a little early, so my actual birthday will fall like smack dab in the middle of our Halloween spectacular coverage. And we're going to do three weeks of that. We'll do horror punk/death rock, and then like a psychabilly week and a goth week. So we'll do three weeks of that. So my birthday is right in the middle of that. So we decided to go ahead and do a little early just to get it out of the way. And for your birthday back in June, I selected a bullet for my Valentine record for us to discuss. And I guess we could talk about your methodology for choosing what to punish me with. You didn't actually give me any ideas of what you were doing. And you were just like, let's do this one. And that's it. Yeah, I didn't tip my hand for my initial thoughts. I probably could have dug deeper. But 2004, kind of as I was looking at it, I was realizing it's kind of a hard year to punish you with as far as what lands on the punk charts. Because I felt like there definitely could be, I don't know, there's, I didn't want to talk about an interpol record. Like I didn't feel like that would be bad enough or interesting enough. So anything that anything in like the look, I probably could have given you that arcade fire and that would have been pretty rough, but I just didn't want to do an arcade fire record. No, I might have. Yeah, it's just, I was like, you know, this time period, I was thinking like metal core isn't consistently bad enough. There wasn't anything jumping out at me that I was like, Oh, this is going to be a real punishment. And I just, I know with you that with like bad metal core can be too fun and not very much of a punishment. Yeah, I think you said, I think you'd get too much sick enjoyment out of some of those metal core records. So there wasn't, there wasn't much metal core stuff that jumped out at me. I briefly considered there's a 36 Crazy Fist record that you, I considered. And that one was pretty close. I was like, that might be really bad, but it might be in metal core, really stupid and funny. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how I've heard like one 36 Crazy Fist song ever. And I don't really remember what it sounded like. And one of the other directions that that would make sense. You mentioned when before I picked, you said something about like, Oh, is there a fall out boy record that year that would probably be real spanking. And I did consider where you want to be by taking back Sunday. That was pretty close. I was like, that would definitely be pretty hard to listen to. But I also was thinking too about like, I have to listen to this too. Yeah, that's the problem. So I don't know that I could punish myself with that record. And just to get you, I also don't know if maybe that would just attract too much like negative attention from people that like the record. Yeah, I don't know. It felt too popular. And yeah, just too hard for me to actually sit through. But then I saw the record that I ended up giving you. And I was like, you know what? This looks like a punishment enough. And well, I'll get a little more into my reasoning for it once we get to the record and talk about it. But I was kind of looking at the charts a little bit later to thinking about it. And I was like, after I had selected it and given it to you, it was like, there's stuff like there's a Cottonmouth Kings record. I was like, it could be pretty bad. There's an e-town concrete record that I thought could be pretty funny. I do, I will say, I do think that there's a couple records that I think I maybe should have picked instead. I just didn't see them or I didn't go far enough. There's a Hocknelson record letters to the president. Oh, yeah, that would have been bad. That I would have gotten enough enjoyment out of making fun of to make up for having to listen to it. And there's an Aiden record, which would fit with the season as well. Yeah, because it is a little bit of a horror punk. It does have the horror punk secondary tag on it. So those are the two that I was like, if I had seen these, I might have picked one of those two instead. But I'm glad that I picked the record that I did because I think there's a lot to talk about. There's meat on that bone for sure. Oh, man, there's a lot to talk about with that record. Well, I guess I would have considered vetoing the Aiden record too because it isn't like will control like also like canceled here. He does have an accusation. Yeah. So I was like, I don't know about that. I, when I was doing, when I picked that bullet right, right, right, he was the sex cult. Oh, gross fucking guy. Oh God. Yeah, his accusations are pretty horrific. Yeah. Don't feel right in making fun of that one. Yeah. Well, the Hawk Nelson would have been that was probably the one I would have picked anyway. But yeah. So looking at the right, your music charts, we could talk about the good records or just the big records, but I think I just want to focus on the stuff that could potentially have been selections. I think it's more interesting to talk about. I wanted to ask you if you were punishing yourself what you would pick. So, honestly, American idiot, that would have sucked to listen to again. And it's a bad record. It's got like a couple good songs on it, but I do not like that album. And it's really overplayed and it would be safe to make fun of them too because it's Green Day. You know, they have enough good that you can make fun of them and people aren't going to be too mad at you. Arcade Fire would have been good for that too. But like you said, Will Butler or when Butler, he sucks. Will Butler, I think, is somebody else entirely unrelated. Yeah. And just looking at this, like just the first page, you know, like Lamb of God, I don't think that's going to be a good medical record, but you're right. I might get some chuckles out of it. It's too. It's probably too competent. Yeah. And just not that interesting to talk about. Yeah. We did cover a terrible record already when say anything is a real boy. Oh, you know, that Under oath record might have been a good one because I don't think I would have enjoyed it, but you may not have enjoyed it either. So that might have been part of the problem with that one. I don't, I think my opinion on, I don't know, it felt like that record might not be as bad as I remember. Yeah, there is not something where I would have been like, I could reevaluate this and be like, yeah, this is better than I was just being a butt head. Yeah. I don't think either one of us would like really resonate with it now, but I think most likely would just be like, this is whatever. Like there are good Charlotte and simple plan records from that year that probably suck pretty bad. Yeah, they didn't feel as fun to do. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder what happens. I'm going to that from first to last. That one would have been, I briefly looked at that one. I was like, he'd hate that. Would I? Or am I thinking of from autumn to ashes? I don't know which one to ashes. One of them I think I would get fun out of it. From first to last is the, what's that band, heroin, they'd have the test pattern album cover. Yeah, you wouldn't have enjoyed that. I'm trying to think, is there a way to, isn't there a way to? That's the Skrillex guy, isn't it? Sunnymore. Yeah, that's Skrillex. He used to be able to sort by lowest rating, right? Did they take away the bottom ranking? I think they did. It just says top popular esoteric and diverse. Oh, I don't think I rid of the bottom ranking because that actually would have been useful to look at because I did, I did that whenever we did the last one. I bet people weren't using it. Maybe, yeah. I mean, because they're using these charts probably to get ideas to listen to music and they're not probably not that frequently pulling like the worst stuff to listen to. So I guess I'll have to do it the old way and just kind of scroll and see what jumps out at me. That guy by voice record probably would have sucked. I know people love that band, but I don't. I don't like anything I've ever heard by that band. Yeah, it, a late guided by voices record though, just felt pointless to talk about. I mean, yeah, there definitely was like, I don't know, there's like a lot of grind stuff that I thought would have been pretty annoying. Yeah, there's stuff like, there's kind of like, there's like some beat down, some other like, I think there's like a late. Is there a late, was it? That bass side record probably would have been pretty bad, but it might have been more boring than anything. Yeah, 18 visions. Yeah, it's metal core. So I guess there's always that risk that it'll be goofy enough, but I think I even remember not liking 18 visions back then. Barrier dead would have been too funny. I would have gotten too much joint out of that one. Yeah. We could have doubled down on the Kinsella and do that Owen record. I saw that and I was like, that's probably just a boring record. I don't. Yeah. It makes sense to do that one. I didn't want to do a casualties record. It's too obvious. And they're, they've got weird. Oh, that's right. Like, there's an egg, a late agnostic front record. And I'm like, yeah, I'm sure that sucks. Yeah, but that's, that's pretty obvious. And, and, and anything new metal from this time period, I'm like, he's a sick freak. He'll enjoy that too much. Like, I can't give him, I can't do a new metal record. I just know the, the part of you that enjoys static ex still. I mean, yeah, I was the exact perfect age for new metal to work. So like, I still hear new metal and I'm like, man, I laugh at it. I get, I don't think it's good, but it, it's funny to me. It's just like how metal core it's like, if I get really bad metal core or just super like basic metal core, it's entertaining to me because of just how silly and bad it is. So like, yeah, I guess it makes me a little harder to choose, because I don't think you get the same. Like, if I were to give you a new metal record or like a metal core record, depending on the metal record, but you wouldn't get as much fun out of it as I would, especially new metal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think with the difference between our strong reactions to music, we don't like your more able to laugh at it. I would need something like, I don't know, like a John Zorn, like jazz grind core record to like really irritate you. And like, me be able to listen to it and be like, I don't really, maybe not care for it, but like can get something out of it. Anything like already in experimental, there's a high chance it's going to get on my nerves. Yeah. And I just wasn't seeing that kind of stuff that I wanted to do from this time period. And like, the other thing that really gets on my nerves is that like hyper poppy pop punk and emo from this time period. So a lot of that stuff would have worked for me. Yeah, which kind of leads into why I picked the record that we are talking about. Should we segue into it? Unless you see anything else that looks particularly awful to listen to. I mean, you could like make me listen to like a de-toten-hosten record or something like that, you know. Or I would not have enjoyed any Wilhelm scream records. But I don't know if those would have been as bad as Red Jump suit apparatus, self title record probably would have sucked really bad. That was when I saw when I went back to look at it. I was like, that could have been a good choice. Yeah, I think that's, I mean, depending on the years that we select, that may be the direction that I go. Yeah, or like that in the future, there's like a propane record that year. Yeah, but that's terrible. Yeah, there are alleyways to go down that will get him. Honestly, I love Mike Watt as a musician, a member of the Minutemen. But he had a record that year that probably would not have liked it all. Like, I don't like most Mike Watt solo music, so. Yeah, that would have been true punishing. But then I also don't necessarily want to do like that to Mike Watt, you know. He's done too much good for me to be like, let's make fun of this. But yeah, it's there's a lot of options here. So I think you went with a strong choice. Yeah, so my reasoning for picking this, the record that we're talking about. I went in the more in the direction of the slick pop stuff that I know that you're like not usually a fan of. Yeah, I figured that's like, I was thinking definitely already weird stuff can be really annoying. And like slick pop stuff, I know you're not always. But I also kind of figured with the slick pop record, it's a little bit of a gamble. There's exceptions, I feel like, for you. Yeah, I don't know if he'll get anything out of this one. And I know you're not prone to listening to this kind of music for the sake of irony. The way that a lot of people do. Yeah. Well, let's intro the album and then we'll talk a little bit more about your reasoning for selecting and then my initial reaction. So before we get into the album, let's go ahead and shout out our producers. All right, so this episode is brought to you by Phillips Booker, Dave Brown, host of the podcast, one band, five songs, Jason W, writer of the newsletter, songs about chocolate and girls, and Steve Long, host of the podcast, Rebel Rock Radio. So thank you all so much for being produced as a show. And if you too would like to be a producer, sign up for our $5 producer tier and get your name said alongside whatever it is you'd like to look. So today we are talking about autobiography by Ashley Simpson. [Music] You think you know me? Word on the street is that you do. You are my history. What others tell you won't be a trick. Two thousand miles while everyone was a scream. Nobody's really seen my millions throughout the day. Got stains on my seizure. I'm the biggest, but right now I'm so glad that we'll be changing eventually. [Music] And some stats. Ashley Simpson is from Waco, Texas. She was born October 3rd, 1984. We were recording this one day before her 40th birthday, which the timing on this is impeccable. I don't know how that lined up so perfectly. Hilarious. Fellow Libra. Yes, yes, she would be. I'm technically almost a cusper, but yeah, I am. You're like 20. I mean, you're right at the end of it. Yeah. So, yeah. That's hilarious. It's a birthday spanking for Ashley as well. This was her debut album and it was released July 20th, 2004 on Gefan Records. So, we are past the 20th anniversary of this album. It was produced by John Shanks and recorded by Jeff Rothschild. And we can get into, we'll do this later. We'll get into their producers and engineers and what else they've worked on. It's pretty obvious. But personnel on this record, John Shanks, on guitar, bass, keys, backing vocals. He plays bass and guitar on every single song on this album. Kara Dioguardi does backing vocals. Kenny Aaronoff on drums. Jeff Rothschild on drums and Abe Leboreal Jr. on drums. And we'll get into that too. Honestly, you could spend hours on just what the session musicians have done, what the songwriters have done, and what the producers and engineers have done outside of this record. Because it's a major level record and these people are connected and work on tons of albums. We'll get into some of that later. But as of right now, let's get into why did you choose this album in particular? Because there are other albums in a similar vein that you could have gone with. Well, this one shows up on the punk charts, which I think is funny because there's a little secondary tag of pop punk. I don't think most of the other power pop, girl pop artists really have that tag. I don't think they show up on the punk charts at all. So this one just jumped out. I was like, oh, ho, okay. Like this is Avril core and there's an Avril living record. And I was just thinking like, that's probably not good. It's just a major label pop nepotism. I guess if you call it that, I guess she got the opportunity based off of Jessica Simpson. But I guess they were both kind of like pushed by their parents. Yeah. Yeah, the first Jessica Simpson record came out in 99. So I just figured like, I remember it coming out. I remember this being the kind of thing that we would have been, you know, making fun of around that time. I want to say we probably saw some music videos and we would have made fun of. We definitely would have seen the infamous SNL appearance, which we'll get into. So I was just thinking like, there's a lot there. This seems like a record that couldn't be good. It might not be as bad as its ratings suggest, but I figured there's very likely not going to be much about this record that you're going to enjoy. Whereas I feel like with someone like, I feel like someone like an Avril Lavigne, there might be some songs you might enjoy. But overall, you might not like the record. I thought there was a pretty low chance of even a couple of decent songs on this record. I also partially just thought it'd be funny for us to talk about an Ashley Simpson record on this show. Just the fact that it shows up at the punk charts at all is funny. And I just thought, well, if it's not ultimately a spanking for you, it is at least a punishment for our regular listeners. Yeah, I cannot wait to see the reaction to some of them when they see this album dropping their feeds next week. Yeah, so when you sent this to me, we were kind of up in the air if we were going to be able to record this week, but, you know, with all the hurricane stuff going on. I was without internet for a couple days there, but did get internet back in time to be able to do it. So when you send it to me, my initial reaction is, okay, whatever. Like, I wasn't top priority for me. What was going on? And then when I later realized, like, wait, wait, is this what we're talking about, the Ashley Simpson record? And my initial reaction was, oh, you fool. This won't be a spanking. I listened to Avril Lavigne willingly on talking about them on I'm listening. You know, that first Avril record, I think is not very good, but it has a handful of good songs on it. And I think our last record was fun, a little pop-punk record. And I was thinking of, like, the contemporaries around this time period, like, you know, Lindsay Lohan, and Hilary Duff, and a lot of those kind of similar, like, actors turned musicians doing records around this time period, and they had some good songs. Now, that's mostly due to they didn't write those songs themselves, they were given those songs. But they're catchy and poppy enough that I was like, ah, this record, there's a good chance it's going to be fun. And so I went into this thinking, this won't be that bad. And it was much worse than I anticipated. So you, I say you succeeded in choosing the right album of this ilk. Because I think if you'd picked that Avril record or any of those other ones that I mentioned, we would have gotten, I would at least have gotten more enjoyment out of those albums than I wound up getting out of this one. So, right call, right call to make for sure. I got the exact right choice for, yeah, that coin toss of, is there going to be enough to enjoy here? Yeah, like the Avril record probably has like three to four songs that are probably genuinely fun and catchy. Like, there's like a Hilary Duff record too this year. I know there's at least one catchy song on that record, same with the Lindsay Lohan album. So I was like, there's probably at least one really good one on there. This one, we'll get into the tracks individually, but nothing on here was good. But there's some competent stuff on here, but outright enjoyable songs. There's not a lot on here. We'll get into that more. But yeah, so right choice for sure. So what are you interested in doing first? Do you want to talk more about like her backstory leading up to the record? Or do you want to look into all the people involved with this album and the type of things that they did? Let's talk about your prior experience. Oh, perfect. Ashley Simpson. My prior experience to Ashley Simpson is she had one big hit on the radio. I remember hearing it on the radio and I didn't really think anything of it. It was one of those songs that was pieces of me is the song. It was a fine competent radio pop hit that had MTV play and pop radio play. And I didn't really think much about it until the SNL performance in the jig. The jig is the best part, honestly. But there became this like, oh, she's a lip sinker. Oh, man, that sucks. I mean, I already didn't care about her kind of music, but it was a, it was a, it was the thing that people who were like millie, vanilla lip sinks. Oh, no, like it's that, that catching pop musicians doing lip syncing is like a big gotcha moment for our culture. And people do not let that go. Like once you get caught lip syncing, that is it for your career. And so I definitely was part of that same, like group of like dog piling, you know, there's a lot more to that story, which we'll get into later. But yeah, yeah, so, yeah, that's my actually experience. I remember she had like another song later that came out, like our later record that came out. And I remember thinking like, who cares, nobody cares about you anymore, go away. And it was just a series of like diminishing returns from her further from there as far as record sales. Yeah, and yeah, that's kind of it. That's all my experience for her. Yeah, that's pretty much the same experience for me. It's just like, this is some pop music that I don't care about. And then that, that SNL performance. And then I was like, oh, so she's fake too. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. That is, that's how it feels like. Oh, she's fake. Oh, okay. And then like, yeah, get later on just like her getting more, more records coming out. She was like, why? Like, I don't feel like she bombed so hard immediately. And then like, yeah, as time goes on, you're just like, oh, yeah, she's like the sister of a less of a more successful pop culture figure who also just got so pushed. Mm hmm, that the culture, like the reaction to the Simpson sisters is just like, go away. We don't like you. You're both annoying. You can trust me up in time and you can trust me up in dirt. You can throw me like a lineman. I like it better when it hurts. Oh, I'm waiting here for you. I have waited. You make my wanna lie. In the kitchen of the floor, I'll be a fishman. Well, I need you at the door. I'm knocking out a cat. Drink a milk from the wall. You make my wanna. You make my wanna scream. You can make me... Well, let's get into the backstory then. That, that's a good jumping off point there. So, like I said, from Waco, Texas, the younger sister of Jessica Simpson during their childhood, she got into dancing. Dancing was her first gateway into kind of entertainment. And she wound up being like the youngest student ever to get into like this New York school ballet. She was like 11 years old. And she got in because her dad lied about her age. Her dad, Joe Simpson, he is kind of, he's like the manager of both of them or was at the time. The manager of both of them and definitely was like pushing both of them into entertaining and being, you know, pop stars, I guess, essentially is the idea. So Jessica Simpson winds up getting into like performing music. Like she's a singer and actually is more of a dancer. So, we know she can jig and she initially gets her start in entertainment as Jessica Simpson's backup dancer on like tours and like live performances. But then she decides she wants to get into acting. She does a bunch of commercials. She winds up getting a part on the show seventh heaven in season seven, I believe. And she does like season seven and season eight of that show. Altogether, she has like 40 episodes of that show. So she's one of those like late run additions to that show. That show is weird as fuck. And the people that came out of it. Yeah, you could do a whole documentary about seventh heaven, I bet. So she winds up becoming a regular part of Jessica Simpson's reality show. Newlyweds, Nick and Jessica, Nick Lachey, Jessica Simpson got married. They got a reality show. And she would like pop up on the show because, you know, she's her sister. So anybody who's related to someone on a reality show tends to get on the show at some point. If as long as they want to. Unless you're like one of the Osborne kids who refused to be on the show. Because there's like a third Osborne. Yeah, she's like the oldest too. And like she never appears on the show ever. But Kelly and Jack are all over that show. But she gets she gets seen in that. And so she's trying to get her own music deal made. She wants to do something more rock based because she said that I don't listen to pop music. So she wanted to do more of a rock based album than what Jessica Simpson was doing. Who was just doing like pure pop, just like dance pop, that kind of stuff. And they eventually get her her own TV show. It's called the Ashley Simpson show. It ran for eight episodes of 2004 to 2005. And the entire show is about her making her album. She is a natural blonde who then dyed her hair dark brown. Just to differentiate herself from her sister. She wanted to be a rocker. And that was another way to differentiate herself. She said that she tried to get signed by multiple labels. And they all none of them wanted to sign her because they they thought she was going to do the same thing as Jessica Simpson. Musically and they just weren't interested in that kind of stuff. They're like why would we want the younger sister of Jessica Simpson. And apparently she did get offered a chance to talk to Columbia Records, which was Jessica Simpson's label. But she didn't want to do that because she's like I want to be my own thing. You know, I want to be separate and different. You know, I don't want to just get on the label just because my sister. Never mind the fact that she got a TV show on MTV because her sister had a TV show on MTV. But I mean, I guess she took some steps to like not just go lean fully into nepotism. Yeah, her. She didn't initially want to do the reality show either. She said her dad talked her into it. And like the way he talked her into it was like we can make it about you making your album. And like, yeah, basically like this will be something different. So on the surface, really. Newly was an Ashley Simpson show. Yes, they're both reality shows about Simpsons. But yeah, very different. Very different shows. Yeah, one's about making an album and one's about just a relationship. One's about just making Jessica Simpson look like. Jessica Simpson look like an idiot. Look like the dumbest person on the planet. Yeah. Yeah. So she clearly wants to make it in the business, you know, and she tries to go about it in her own way. But also, yeah, her dad's going to push it too. And how much of that is just her dad. You're doing this, you know, that kind of thing. Well, yes. She went from ballet to acting up dancer to acting to making a rock record. Mm. Yeah. So she said that she was really inspired by Chrissy Heine and Joan Jett for this record. And I do see. Oh, okay. Well, you're going to say, I see the Joan Jett influence can hear the Joan Jett influence. I don't get the Chrissy Heine influence. Yeah. She's not deadpan enough. Uh, as someone who's in the midst of the Joan Jett discography, when I read that, I was like, no way, not even close. I get what she's going for with it, but it comes across more like Courtney Love to me. Yeah. Folkily, especially like she has a lot in common with Courtney Love, especially during this time period. And I did see a lot of reviews, though, that did bring up Joan Jett specifically. And I was like, I know what you're saying when you say that, but definitely not 50s influenced enough to be Joan Jett. There's not enough Gary Glitter covers on here to really be Joan Jett. But yeah, I understand it. It's like kind of a punky edge to your music. Well, so that's something this record has that pop punk secondary tag. Mm hmm. Where? Oh, yeah. I was thinking that too. I, as I was listening to the record, I was like, I hear like no punk on this record. There is maybe one song on this entire album that you could say is punk influenced, and that would be Lala. Yeah. But it feels more like a rock, just hard rock, not necessarily like punk. There's another song later in the record that's kind of catchy in a way that some pop punk from this period would be, but like, it's not really there in the music. I think the punk is purely the aesthetic, like the way she dressed, and the way her backing band dressed, that is like, oh, a spiky hair, big gauges that those guys were wearing. A nice swoop hair, she kind of had a little swoop going on with hers, and like the way she dressed was like, you know, sparkly kind of pop punk. Doing the Afro-Lavian kind of version of pop punk too. Yeah. Yeah, they went with the most generic, safe, hot topic, ostensibly punk, visual, studied belts and a necktie, that kind of look, the Afro look, really is the Afro look. I do think it's very funny that she's like, I was inspired by Joanja and Chrissy Heine, and it's like, are you sure you're not inspired by Afro-Lavian? Because that's 100% what you're going for is the Afro-Lavian style. At least Afro feels a little bit more authentic, I think, with her style. It is funny to reference Chrissy Heine, like the pretenders and Joanja, I'm like, those are both very retro-influenced punk and new wave artists, or, you know, rock with a punk edge and new wave artists with heavy 50s influences. Both of them. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, there's like no 50s rock and roll influence on this record at all. Yeah. So, those are the main basic things going into this album. And let's see, where should we go, let's talk about a reaction to it. So listening to it, what did you think of it? So I put it on, first song, the title check, you know, it's kind of just meh. Like I'm like, this isn't like really bad. Like it's obviously it's pretty competently produced because obviously they had the money for it. They could get producers to do it on Gef and Records, on a major label, you know, pieces of me, the single, the second song, I'm like, okay, I know this one, it's, you know, moderately catchy for the radio at the time. And I get like three, four songs into it, and I'm like, this isn't bad enough. I was a little frustrated with disappointed in it as my pick because I was like, I don't think this is bad enough. And then it just kind of goes on and on and it's 43 minutes long. Yeah, it felt like an hour. I think probably past la la, I'm like, okay, this is actually pretty bad. Like after the first four songs, I'm like, yeah, this is pretty bad. This is pretty uninteresting. Songs aren't very engaging. It's all very typical. And her voice gets pretty annoying as the record goes on. It's just tiring to listen to. I think we have opposite takes on the record as far as like, what is the bad stuff on here? You seem to think everything after la la is the worst stuff. I think the two worst songs on the album are autobiography and la la. Like I think those songs are some of the worst things on here. Well, I don't think they're good. So I think everything after la la is just the most generic uninspired and kind of boring music. Like it's just generally like whatever, not particularly good. I do think there is one good song though on the back half of the record. I do think the song Surrender is actually pretty good. It's like a pretty upbeat with a really good hook on the chorus. From la la on, I'm like, meh, I just in offensively bad, you know, that kind of thing where it's just like, it's there and I don't, I'm not like, oh, please be over, but just like not enjoying it either kind of bad. When I put this on and autobiography came on and so you know me, I'm not a lyrics guy, but this record has some of the worst lyrics that I have ever heard, the lyrics are bad. They are shockingly bad, which is bizarre because of how many songwriters are on this album. There are so many songwriters on here, we'll be into who they are later, but the song autobiography, that one specifically, there are lines in that song, I think I'm gonna pull up lyrics. Got stains on my t-shirts. Got stains on my t-shirts. I got a couple of stains and I'm the biggest flirt, right now I'm solo, but that will be changing eventually, oh, God, bruises on my heart and sometimes I get dark. If you want my auto, want my autobiography, baby, just ask me, wait, auto, do you want your autograph or no, I don't want your autobiography, I want your autograph, there's two different things. I'm a badass girl in this messed up world, I'm a sexy girl in this crazy world, I'm a simple girl in a complex world, a nasty girl you want to get with me, if you want to mess with me, then she comes back around, I laugh more than I cry, oh girl, you pissed me off, goodbye, goodbye, got bruises on my heart, something that aren't, yeah, the chorus initially I'm just like, oh dear God, what are we getting into? Stains on my shirt, like stain, like what mustard stains, like what stains are you talking about? I'm the biggest flirt, so now I'm just imagining like a super sloppy girl with just like stains all over her shirt, just like, it feels like an Amy Poehler character, you know the Amy Poehler character on SNL where she had like one leg and she also like farted and was like, yeah, farted, what's up? And then like also like hardcore aggressively like flirting with guys too, just like, that's what I was imagining when that song came, I was like, oh no, like Artemis on, yeah, it's always sunny, I've got a bleached asshole, exactly, that was what I was thinking when I was like, oh this is awful, kill the snail, yeah, it's like three years old. So I thought about, that was also the theme song to her TV show, yeah, that's a terrible theme song. Pieces of me, pieces of me is just the most competent generic pop song hit that you could have, like it's just like, oh, this, what is this Vanessa Carlton or Michelle Branchesong? Just feels just like that. Shadow has some actual like substance to it because it's about being in the shadow of her sister. Yeah. But the first line is like, I was six years old when my parents went away, I was stuck inside a broken life, I couldn't wish away, like, what do you mean your parents went away? And they were hyper fixated on both of you, like, that's not even true. But I do appreciate that this song is like, I'm in the shadow of my more famous popular, you know, older sister. So I get, it's a good lyrical content, though it gets to that, what is the part in the, it's like the bridge, I think, mother, sister, father, sister, mother, that part, I'm just like, what is this? How many mothers do you have? How many sisters do you have? Your sister, mother, sister, wife, mother. That was one. I was just like, what is this? The lyrics in these songs. Other Abraham had seven sons. They're just so clunky, like the lyrics are super clunky on this album. Lala, I think Lala is the dirt worst song on this record. It is horribly bad. It's like the sexy jokey song, but like, you make me want a lala. It's like, what does that mean? What does you make me want a lala in the kitchen on the floor? Are you just saying lala is code for sex? Because that's what the song is about. I'll be a French maid when I meet you at the door. I'm like an alley cat drink the milk up. I want more. Yeah. That made me squirm. What is it? It's just horrible beyond an airplane or in the back of the bus. If they're me like a boomerang, I'll come back and beat you up. What? I don't even get, it's not even consistent with the lyrics, the rest of the lyrics. This was the third single on the record, by the way. Yeah. And I get there, like, it's the rock song. And she described, I was like, it's a tongue in cheek song about sex, I guess. Like, who's, it's someone who doesn't know how to have sex is what it sounds like. Why don't you act like a cat licking up milk? What? Lala. What is that? Horrible. Which that song was, we can talk about this. That song was performed at the 2005 Orange Bowl halftime show. It was. And she got booed as soon as the song ends. It was like a medley of like a bunch of different pop stars too. But Kelly Clarkson was one of the ones before her, but she was the last one to close it off. And she closed it off with Lala. And then, like, as soon as the music stops, the audience just starts booing so loud. Maybe I'll play the clip here. Kelly, Kelly Clarkson, Trace Adkins, Ashley Simpson, part of our halftime show at the VFX Orange Bowl. But yeah, it's just like, but that was in like January of five. So it was after she'd already had the lip sync debacle in October. Like, it's more of a reaction to her specifically thing that happened there. And maybe not necessarily the song, but also she sounds bad. It's bad. Yeah. Yeah. She sounds bad in the clip. I mean, it is like the very tail end of the song. So I couldn't hear like the whole thing to see how bad she was through the whole song. But they were, they wanted, I think they really were trying to prove like, no, she doesn't always lip sync. That was a one time thing. And by letting her just horrible vocals, just let her sink herself, I guess. But yeah, Lala. But yeah, I don't want it. Well, there you go. Maybe you can have it all. Now that you just let me go. Yeah, yeah. You made your misery my company Open up your eyes And don't you know you will make it one last Oh, you just be crazy Oh, you just bring me down Look out your window My sunshine's all around All you have to do is just surrender So then everything after that is when I go, "Okay, she sounds bad through the hole" It's given a little bit of the full performance and she sounds The voice is squeaking the whole time She's squeaky She's squeaky on the record There's multiple times on here where she just hits a squeak I'm like, "What are you doing?" And love me for me, she does a squeak I forgot about that I'm not allowed when I heard that So there's a lot of stuff on here that's just like of the time The acoustic guitar with the electronic drum beat Just everybody was doing that kind of thing There's weird stuff on there, some like piano-y tracks That song "Unreachable" is like straight up a criminal by Fiona Apple knock-off Like the piano interred to that song It has some strings and piano in it too And then like nothing new has kind of like the butt rock twang Because you know there was like a lot of those butt rock bands had a little twang to their sound too And then like undiscovered, that's the last song on the record It has like some U2 style guitars too I was just like, "What is happening on this record?" I mean it's a major label pop record and it's like basically piecemeal You have all these songwriters come in and give you songs And then John Shanks records all the parts of the song for you And yeah, this record is very bad And then you push your voice until it's about to crack on every song Yeah, yeah, she has like a smokey voice And I wonder how much that is 20 years old Yeah, it shouldn't be that smokey Yeah, it's bad, it's a really bad record Yeah, I was surprised at how bad it actually was It feels like it's worse than I thought it would be Because I'm like, eh, it's gonna be like competently mid-record, right? It's gonna be just this album of, right, is this record really bad? Or is this record just getting bashed because of who it is? Yeah, I think it's a bad record Yeah, it's a legitimately bad record, like it's not a good record I think it's, I think it earns its sub three star rating Yeah, like is it completely unlistenable? No, but I did not enjoy listening to it So it's very ready for it to be over And I don't think I, I still don't feel like I got you as bad as I could have So I'm still a little bit annoyed that this is my pick But I'm happy to talk about the record and I think it's funny to talk about Yeah, there's a lot, I know it's a good episode I have so many more notes too, like I have so much more to say about this record But, so we can talk more about everything else I think our general, general reaction I think we've more or less covered I don't know that I could get too much more into the weeds on how the record sounds I think it's just meh, it's just bland Yeah, it is very bland Todd and the Shadows would call it minivan rock Which is very appropriate for the time period It's very much in the same vein as a lot of the other stuff that was on the radio at the time And I think what rubs me the worst way about the record is All of it feels 100% contrived I mean, it's totally unearned While there is something to singing about I'm living in the shadows of someone more successful That's the only nugget of good, interesting idea Or something that feels less than vapid Everything else about this is just I'm gonna be sexy Not a girl, I'm a sexy baby And it's like you're 20 years old Yeah, you've been pushed by your dad You're not doing the work really I mean, it shows in the performances that you're not doing the work You're not a front-person quality singer Yeah, you haven't really earned the image that you're going for Or the quality of your voice Because you shouldn't sound that rough Already, you're just like very intentionally not doing a good job My understanding is she wasn't a singer before Like that's part of the problem Like Jessica Simpson was singing from a very young age And Ashley was in the dance, so she was a dancer She was ballet, she was a background dancer And then she got into acting Singing was the third thing she tried on the list of things I'm sure she's saying as a kid, but I bet her parents were like "Just stick to dancing, honey" That's what we'll focus on with you And this is the time period where all these actors were getting albums And reality show actors And reality show people getting albums like Kelly Osborne has an album around this time period too That's also supposed to be horrible So like, yeah, she's not a singer first She was a dancer then actor first So like, yeah, this is just, I guess Well, your sister's a singer, you want to be a singer too? And she's like, yeah, I want to be a rocker It's like, okay, you don't listen to pop? Are you sure about that? Are you sure you don't listen to pop? Because it feels like you do Yeah, she was not ready for the spot And the record itself I'm sure they used all the tools they could to make her sound as good as she could But then when it comes to performing it live, she just cannot do it Yeah, so I guess we can look at everyone else involved in this record So, okay, the album was produced by John Shanks And up to this point, John Shanks had produced albums by Melissa Etheridge Stevie Nicks Michelle Branch Pink Cheryl Crow Hilary Duff Kelly Clarkson Lindsey Lohan Alanis Morissette And Lisa Loeb And you just look at that list of names and you're like, yeah, I see what they're doing I see what they're doing Get me the guy who did all those records, okay He likes, he likes some husky voices Yeah, I guess that's fair Look at some of the stuff that he's worked on By any rate He got early on Multiple Joe Cocker records Yeah Paula Abdul who we don't know if she can actually sing I guess he was just a guitarist on that record But yeah, Stevie Nicks I mean, you work with Bon Jovi and Goudalz Van Halen, West Life Miley Miley Yeah, that seems right Miranda Cosgrove Yeah, yeah He just kept doing it He collaborated on it with Katie Siegel For her record in '94 He did a Rod Stewart record Yeah, so he gets a little cred He works with like, you know, your Melissa Ethic's, Cheryl Croes Or Stevie Nicks But then also like, here's Hillary Duff Here's Lindsay Lohan Yeah, Cheryl Branch, you know In 2004, he does Ashley, he does Hillary He does Kelly Clarkson Yeah, he did breakaway He does Brownsy Lohan He engineered his eyes Lee record, that's weird He did a lot of stuff with Cheryl Croes Yeah, he worked with her a lot Which listening to this record, I hear that on the album too Like all the acoustic stuff really makes me think He's like, well, we did this with the Cheryl Croes We could try that Yeah, so there's him And then Jeff Rothschild, he was the engineer He recorded this record He previously recorded with Mandy Moore Mariah Carey Stroke Nine Motorhead Alanis Morrisette Vanessa Carlton Poison Dishwala Michelle Branch Spine Shank Cheryl Croes Hillary Duff Lindsay Lohan Melissa Etheridge There's a point where he hooks up with John Shanks And they just work on everything together Yeah, for a good stretch of time So like all those same Hillary Duff, Cheryl Croes, Lindsay Lohan It's the same records They did together He's the engineer He's the 2005 Bon Jovi record He does that Liz Fair record In 2005 Yeah, he just becomes like his main engineer Yeah, so Shanks was actually like Part of the live Bon Jovi band In 2016 And I don't think I don't think Rothschild was in any other bands But they bring in some session musicians in here as well There's two other drummers Kenny Aronoff He drums for like John Cougar Melincant Mitch Ryder, Brian Setzer, Belinda Carlisle Iggy Pop, Bob Dylan, Elton John Holland Oates, Bon Jovi And he's like part of the silver bullet band And Leonard Skynard The actual bands at one point So he's just like a session drummer And the other drummer, Abe LaBoriel Very similar, just lots of session work But also, funnily enough He did drumming on one of the fish bone records From the 90s, like the 95 album And he was in Paul McCartney's band Like his solo band in the 90s and 2000s So it's just last session musicians coming in here Don't know why you needed three drummers on this record But whatever, it's probably just more of an efficiency Whoever's available, yeah Alright, we got time this weekend The crayon counts, some beats Yeah, yeah, we got about half the record done You know, those guys walk in I mean, they walk in and they get their drum To takes down in single takes, I'm sure Yeah, oh, yeah And this is, you know, this is Prime Pro Tools era Yeah, so I would suspect There's a fair amount of just editing That's just done super quickly For everything There's three drummers on this record There's three drummers on this record And you can't tell the difference in any of their playing Like, it's all just like, that sounds the same Telling the same drummer, yeah, you're right It's probably just, hey, we used to come in this weekend And lay down tracks for three songs Okay, and they did it, like, listen to it once through Okay, yeah, it goes like this, right? And they practice it once And then like, alright, let's record And they do it once Like, it's just that quick, you know And I'm sure there's a demo for everything Yeah, oh yeah, I'm sure there was, I'm sure Jeff Rothschild already had, like, demo drum tracks On everything those other two guys did Yeah, very, very obviously So, as far as, like, who records on the record It's a pretty lean, lean crew It's John Chanks recording everything And then, like, three different drummers And some backing whipples Like, the actual, like, playing on the record Pretty, pretty stripped down You know, there's some keys People, someone plays piano and organ Someone plays a chamberlain Somebody does the string arrangements Uh, which I guess there's real Are there real strings on here? There are, there's just the chamberlain String, um, oh, that could be what they are then But yeah, there is, no, there is string arrangement on here There's someone who's credit with string arrangement And he's just, like, a session string ranger Like, he wasn't anybody I never heard of, but he'd done records You'd heard of, like, one of those deals where it's like, oh, interesting Strings for, you know, Willie Nelson, you know, like, yeah, that kind of thing So, songwriting is really where you're getting in the weeds With, like, lots of different people So, Ashley Simpson has songwriting credits on every single song on this record And one of the things going into the album that she said was, like, I really, you know, I got to write these songs You know, my input, you know, I came up with the concept of the songs And, like, to me, it was, like, what do you want to sing? It feels like they went, what do you want to sing about? And she goes, I want to sing a song about, uh, my breakup 'Cause she was dating Ryan Cabrera at one point And they had split up, like, right before the record So, like, a lot of the songs on this record are about her breakup with him So, my guess is, like, she's like, I want to sing a song about being a much just your shadow Like, I'm sure that was how it went And then they were like, all right, here's the song And they gave her the song, and then they were like, uh, and change what you want Probably is how they set it to her And that might be why we get some weird fucking lyrics on this record I think some of the weird lyrics are probably hers Because these are professional songwriters And I don't think they would just, like, come up with some of the weird shit that they did on this record Anything weird on here? I think is all, actually Because I think if it was just left up to everyone else to write all of the lyrics and all those songs They would have been better But John Shanks also gets There's a quote, I'm looking at the La La Genius There's a quote here where it says There was actually a verse in La La that we had to change because it was so graphic What? There's one line, I'm like a boomerang What it doesn't say is, I'll come back and get you off The label is like, that's not going to work We had the imagery of Madonna where she's crawling on the floor and drinking milk out of a bowl We went there, but other than that, just two lines were changed Yeah, so, Cara Diagwardi and John Shanks all get Songwriting credits on this record, too They write pretty much every song with her And I was looking up Cara Diagwardi And she, like, was a backing singer for a lot of people She did a lot for, like, Enrique Iglesias In her songwriting She wrote Walk Away for Kelly Clarkson It says she has 300 songs that have been released on major labels And 150 appeared on platinum selling albums There's not like a clear list of everything that she wrote, though She wrote a lot of lyrics on Back to Basics by Christina Aguilera Some Jesse McCartney lyrics She wrote lyrics for Britney Spears Hillary Duff Pink Cobra Starship Good girls go bad There's a lyric that she wrote for Catherine McPhee, Carrie Underwood Theory of a Dead Man Weird They got that song She did some stuff with Celine Dion It's like, this is somebody who has, she did some Meatloaf lyrics For the 2010 album Natalie Abrulia You know, some well-known stuff She did, looks like a lot of TV lyric music, too For Camp Rock, Wintry Hill Hannah Montana Something for the Jonas Brothers, Glee, like, that kind of stuff Confident songwriters It doesn't seem like she has any, like, huge songs Of her own, but she's all over this record Other songwriters We have Shelly Peakin, who wrote "Love for Me" She also wrote "What a Girl Wants" by Christina Aguilera And "Bitch" by Meredith Brooks The big song there That's the only song she wrote on the record "Unreachable" Not only has shanks and Ashley and Actually, you know what, I don't think shanks does lyrics on that one "Unreachable" It's Ashley Simpson And Stan Fraser, Steve Fox, Robbie Neville And Billy Mann, all writing lyrics For that song A song that I cannot remember What did I write, my notes for that song "Unreachable" That's the Fiona Apple sounding riff And because of, like, all those names being on there I wondered if it was a case of They actually used the Fiona Apple piano part And they had to credit these people Retroactively But nope, I don't think so These guys Not connected to each other in any way What so ever Stan Fraser was a founding member and main songwriter For the band "Sugar Ray" The drummer of "Sugar Ray" wrote A lot of the lyrics for the band "Sugar Ray" Very funny Including "Fly" That's the big one Steve Fox was a solo artist who toured with Kenny Rogers And he opened for, like, Dwight Yolkam And he wrote, like, Montgomery Gentry's, like, biggest hit Robbie Neville Wrote for the, as a young person Wrote for, like, the Pointer Sisters And "Eldabarge" and "Earth Winded Fire" And Billy Mann co-wrote A lot of pinks, like, big songs Like, just a ton of songs with her And the song, "Giving It All Away" Is co-written by our friend John Feldman of "Goldfinger" John Feldman of "Goldfinger" Oll, Oll, Avril Lavigne's "Your Fault" John Feldman, because he wrote a lot of Avril Lavigne stuff But it's just, like, so many writers on this record And the lyrics, I think All the songs that are just Whatever, plain, is them And any of the weird lyrics is probably her Because it just doesn't seem like those type of people should be Writing such bad lyrics on some of these songs So, yeah, the bulk of the songs And the worst lyrics are all And the ones that are just credited to her Cara and John Shanks So, they're the ones who really wrote most of it And a lot of it just sounds like they wrote it in the studio Yeah The whole record sounds like it was all just written in the studio Yeah, like, what did she have before? Like, she probably had no lyrics before Or she tried writing some stuff And they're like, "Well, how about we do it this way?" It'll be more like a jam So, here are some of the reactions to the album The album sold five million copies That is five times platinum Ridiculous Oh, excuse me, excuse me, not five times Triple platinum I don't know how to determine what platinum is Five hundred thousand, I don't know Maybe it's five hundred thousand Hit number one on the Billboard 200 The singles for the record were pieces of me Shadow and Lala Pieces of me was a big hit Like, it was a top ten hit, did really well And they released shadows It was like in the 50s in the top 100 And then Lala was like 87 In the top 100 The singles after pieces of me Were not released in Europe Except for Lala Which was released Maybe it's Shadow, that's what it is Shadow wasn't released in Europe But Lala was Lala was like just outside the top ten In the UK Which, man, British people have bad taste in music You ever look at those British charts? There's some awful shit in there Like football songs Like songs about soccer are in there Like top ten all the time Their pop music is awful Like They did well in like Scandinavia too Lala It's like just 87 in the hot 100 here But in Europe they're like Oh, we like this weird rock song It's real sexy Lala Lala Yes, I love it Here's my name Because it's in English Here's my favorite piece of information John Chang's won a Grammy For producing this record Now one thing I read said That he wanted along with the conjunction To the other I think this is a You put out a lot of records this year Because he did the Kelly Clarkson record the same year Which, I imagine, was better So, like, why did this one get the Grammy? Oh, man Yeah, he won a Grammy for this record Absolutely bizarre Critically, it was mixed So People magazine called it Passable All music said it was an Unexpectedly strong debut Village Voice compared it positively To Courtney Love's 2004 album It's called like American Sweetheart Rolling Stone magazine called it Mundane And IGN called it by the books So it's very much a mix of It's not too bad And this is nothing It's just nothing None of the reviews were like Two stars? He's using letters His scale's weird He's not consistent Yeah, it's like All music gave it three and a half stars Man, all music I think it's a busted website BBC's is mixed What ever that means E Online, B minus, Entertain Weekly, B minus IGN's 6.5 out of 10 Rolling Stone, two stars New York Times, three stars I think this would Do now If this came out now I don't think it would do well Yeah, it's hard to do exactly It can't do like a one-to-one Because the type of music that comes out now And pop music is not the same So it wouldn't sound the way it does Because I think this record Is less interesting And less complex And drawing from fewer places Than a lot of pop music that's made now Yeah, yeah And yeah, like they clearly set out to make Primarily a pop rock record Yeah, they don't make pop rock records like this anymore Either I think too much of this record Is melodramatic Yeah, but when they go for fun It's also really dumb too Alright, let's get to it Let's get to the main 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carcasses Due to, like, livestock And natural wildlife That was, you know, killed from the storm And, uh, yeah, it's Bad. It's We see hurricane coverage Every year multiple times a year And it's almost all, you know Frequently it's in, like, Florida You know, parts of Texas You know, the coast of North Carolina and South Carolina They get hit frequently And while it's not to say that When hurricanes hit there and the devastation There isn't, like, awful The infrastructure is better equipped To help recover from that kind of thing Like, this is the Appalachian Mountains Like, this is Above sea level Like, this, this, this kind of stuff Does not happen Here. I do remember in, like, the early 2000s There was a hurricane that came through the cause A lot of flooding In the Asheville area But, like, 04, I think is when that one was And even then that was nowhere near As bad as this, so I don't know, just, just keeping Keep an eye out for it This is going up by, like, a week later So, if you Want to reach out for some Virtual aid And, like, to donate to Reach out to us, and we will try and send you In the right direction of people I don't know who will and won't be taking money By that point, so I don't want to plug, like, specific ones Yeah, I also don't really want to Plug Red Cross or United Way Because those are for profit Yeah, I would actually Say don't give those places money Yeah, they don't They don't spend it where it needs to go They embezzled Thousands and thousands of dollars From Katrina Yeah, so If you want to donate something And just check out our Instagram page We'll share a lot of stuff in the stories there Or just email me directly And I will send you what I have found Like who you can send money to Yeah, I'll find someone I know Who is fundraising to Hate their girls or repair their home I mean, I know at least one person Up the top of my head who's, you know Is out of work and getting money From FEMA is going to be really complicated Because they're self-employed Yeah, so Like a lot of people we know personally I think everyone who lives in that area We've heard from They've, you know, they've checked in We talked about old flings Two weeks ago on the show All of them live in the area now The band lives in the area And they're all They're all okay now You know, a couple of other People, Muslim Muslim people We know who live up there still They've reported it and they're fine One of the members of the band Restorations lives in Asheville now Apparently and they just posted on Instagram that they had gone to Durham To get like a bunch of supplies They had like a U-haul Looks like they were loading up on supplies to bring back So there's a lot of people doing some good work They don't want to send some money Or, I don't If you're just like Can you buy some water and send it to them? Let me know, just anything Anything like that, let me know We'll figure out how to help Because even though You and I don't live there You lived in Black Mountain for I mean, anyways, if you came to college College there and I lived there For two years after, so I spent Six years in Black Mountain I mean, you know, there's Roads that are just broken You know, and that I drove down all the time And it's It's pretty heart wrenching to look at And like Black Mountain in particular There's like one grocery store That was barricaded by cops And they were refusing to give Opening their doors Other grocery stores in the area Were opening their doors on an honor system And just letting people take what they could And come back and pay later if they could But Ingles did not, and Walmart did not Which is knocking the Ingles didn't Because Ingles is based out of there Like Ingles is from there They have a distribution center there And that distribution center is flooded Yeah, some pictures of that I mean, they did ration out Some of those things later But their immediate reaction was to Lock it down the cops in front of the doors You know, it was They wanted to make sure that people didn't Just take stuff Yeah, I think they just wanted To write it off on their taxes Inventory it, I don't know But a lot of shit went to waste That could have been salvaged Or at least giving away to people Yeah, so yeah, I hate to You know, end our goofy episode And Ashley Simpson talking about This, but it's very near and dear To both of us, so You know, going on like Hiking trips as a child And the wife, my wife and I We take road trips of the mountains And now it's like Next time we are even able to go into those areas Like we don't even know what's going to look like And on top of just the absolute loss of life And homes and belongings And pets and just Awful, you know, so It's going to be a thing that Will be on my mind for a long time And it's a place people need to not go For a while But you know, there's trolls on TikTok Saying, well, I'm going to be I'm going to go on my vacation There ain't going to be nothing for you to go on vacation to But yeah, it's And as of recording this, we're between storms Yeah, the projections Changing daily on where this next Tropical storm is going to go But Louisiana, somewhere in the Gulf Is going to get hit Again, with a substantial amount of rain Immediately after being hit pretty hard So, and very large potential for a lot of that rain To still make it up into the places That have already been flooded in Georgia and South Carolina and North Carolina So, Tennessee Who knows how much worse it's about to be There were like two landslides last night According to the post that I read online You know, so like even the The shifting has not even finished Up there, just because of like How much water was dumped and just Absolutely devastating up there, so Yeah, like I said Hit us up, you can hit us up On all forms of social media, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, you know DMS, I don't know, I don't know what Dimming on X is like, Twitter is like Nowadays, if you're not already Friends are falling, but Email us, email us Punkalotapot@gmail.com You can text to Text me at 202-688-PUNK Use our voicemail line You can text that number and I will get it So, yeah, email text Instagram, those are probably the three best places Facebook, it's usually hard You don't notice, you get a message Until like days after you got it Same with Twitter, like I don't even know If you're even allowed to message people That you're not friends with already But, finally, to get in touch with us if you want to help out So, we appreciate any of it, so That'll do it, so thank you all so much We'll wrap it off, wrap it up here And say thank you And we'll talk to you later To order Punk, call the number on your screen Rush delivery is available Remember, this special offer is not sold in stores
