Grant and Danny
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We're real, we're transparent, we're having a hell of a good time with it, and we sit there and we're there for the sweat with you guys. We're just trying to figure it out just like you. Follow and listen to Cash to Ticket on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. Good Wednesday afternoon and welcome into Grant and Danny on the fan. October 9th, 2024, we're giving away tickets to a caps game on the 17th next Thursday night at four o'clock here on the fan and we got two great guests to tell you about in just a moment. Danny, how are you? This is not a good day for me. So it all started. We usually wake up in the Hooray household. My wife gets up earlier than I do, but usually around 7, 7, 15, either one of the kids wakes us up or I wake up, we get them going, get them off to school, etc. By the grace of God, I have no idea how she did this or thought to do this, but at 830, my wife called me and I was dead asleep. So we're my children. She called some sort of like lightning strike maternal instinct. This idiot screwing up. I don't know what Spidey sense was tingling, but she called us. I go, hello? Hi? What? She's like, I just want to make sure you're up as a guy. I am down. I have no idea. Your kids were supposed to go to school? Yeah. I mean, we leave for school. They walk a walk in the school at 840. So at 830, I got the phone call to wake up, but if she didn't call, would have been asleep. All you guys are just having a big day together. Big old. Yes. I guess we're missing first period. What's doubly awesome is I had a meeting at that school at 845 a.m. Everything is not coming up for me today. I mean, I have been behind since. Were you on time for the meeting? We made the meeting somehow. My oldest is able, because he's old enough. He's able to like independently, he's like, don't worry. I'll get ready for school by myself. I hold my sprinting my youngest through breakfast. He's like got a thick bar on one hand, a vitamin in the other, you know, his sweatshirts half on. I'm carrying him to the car. No chance you showered. Oh, no, you can be. So I get there for the meeting. He's going to like wait outside the door, but it's like, well, this is if there's a safer place on the planet, you know, we'll do that while I go into this meeting. Come on, just the time to see him off. And I've been behind and just off all day today. Everything's been wrong. I have to shower when I wake up. I know you do. I cannot function without a shower. You have coffee. I have a shower. So that that meeting went after wait. Sorry. I'm going to be in a few minutes late. That's tough. The wife won Danny Zero today. I mean, what a what an unbelievable save. How would she have known? Like the last time she called me in the morning from work was like, hey, I need, you know, I'm filling out like paperwork in case we die. You know, like what's your, what's your date? What's the reason? Did she say why she was calling? It was all too frantic. Well, okay, I got the time and I hung up and said, love you. Bye. And she's like, okay, bye. Like going back to work. No idea how it happened. But I'm telling you, I have been just discombobulated, very behind. To me, if the show started an hour from now, I'd probably feel a little bit better. But we're here. We got to talk. Yeah, happy to have you. Glad that you're alongside as always here on Grant and Danny. Will Montgomery studied the offensive line play of the commanders for us. He's going to give us a report at three o'clock of what he saw. He, of course, was the long time starting center here in DC, played it Virginia Tech, was in the national football league for a decade, looking forward to that report for us from Will Montgomery. Because anecdotally, Danny, it feels like the old line's been really good. Yeah. And I want to even say statistically as well, right? Statistically, the old line's been very good. They are top 10 in every metric just about pass rush, win rate, run block, win rate. You know, the PFF scores and grading on pass blocking and run blocking. They're top five in plenty of categories. And I'm not naive enough to think that Jaden Daniels does not help the offensive line immensely. I certainly understand that that's the case. But I also think there's a reality too, where when you have a mobile quarterback and let's face it, he leads the league in scrambles, a running quarterback. I remember when Will played that at times that also made the old line's job difficult on some plays because you're moving around in the pocket. You're supposed to be fine in planting and you're five and kind of moving or running or sprinting. So I want to talk to him about that. I think it'll be a good perspective. He blocked for Robert Griffin. When Griffin was putting up very similar numbers as a rusher and as a passer in the early part of his career here in DC. And then I'm really fired up to tell you guys that at six o'clock today, Steve Maryucci's on the show. Nice. I love Steve Maryucci. We're Mooch guys on the show. I don't know when or why I became such a big Maryucci fan. But when he was coaching the Niners, something about that team I love. Jeff Garcia at quarterback Terrell Owens at wide receiver. And he would go on to become a gigantic silly goose. But do you remember when T.O. caught that? I want to say it was like a game winning touchdown in a playoff against Green Bay. Yeah, Steve Young against the Packers. For whatever reason, that's one of my like most strong vivid memories of my childhood non-red skin. Just a small window to fit it in. He got crunched between at least a couple of dudes, maybe maybe three. Who knows? He dropped a passer to earlier on in that game. And that was kind of that. That was the, I don't know if there's a good analogy because they're not divisional foes, obviously, but that was the playoff rivalry. That's like kind of the now Bengals chiefs. How they like kind of smack talk each other. We'll see you in January. Farf Steve. Yeah. It was a couple of future Hall of Fame legend types at quarterback. But anyway, I'm just a mariuchi guy. So we've not really had him on the show before. So we'll talk to him when he joins us today on Grant and Danny at six o'clock. So make note of that. But we are on to Baltimore, my friend. We are getting ready for Sunday. We are getting ready for the Ravens. It's a one o'clock kick. It's the A team on CBS, Nance and Romo. And there's a hype video making the rounds. It's pretty awesome on social media. But just file another one away. We are in week six, hype video mode. Somebody put together one of these like set to music, dramatic player beating up with sweat, slow motion, you know, five K camera shot, hype videos for Lamar Jackson, Jaden Daniels, Derek Henry, Brian Robinson, the Ravens who can thump, the commanders who want to boppia against going to be the game that everybody is paying attention to around the country. Yeah, it's marking. And we're not used to that, right? Usually people pay an attention here in Washington from outside because of the latest scandal, the latest kerfuffle and you're tuning in, you go, a live train wreck at 1 p.m. on Sunday, tune in and you're going to see, Oh my God, what is this going to be? What's what's the latest scandal? What's the latest? Whatever. It is such a far departure from that to not only just be okay, right? To just be normal teams, win or lose every week in this league. And that's not even what we're talking about. Someone, a team that's like, legitimately good. And we're going to find out how good to a degree this weekend. I believe in the idea of the measuring stick element of this game. I saw Dan Quinn was asked, is this a measuring stick game today? And he basically said, ah, we didn't really talk in those terms. We know they're good. We think we're pretty good. But he didn't want to call it a measuring stick game. I do think this is that. I think this is a are we ready for the bright lights? Are we ready for big boy football with everybody watching against a team that has a chance to go compete for a conference title in Baltimore? But I also, at the same time, think this is a win win for Washington, to be completely honest, barring a blowout loss, barring a terrible Jaden Daniels performance. And there's no reason to believe based on anything we've seen, and I don't even just mean this season, Danny, but camp really since the moment he was drafted, that that's coming this weekend. I don't think anything can happen that would make me feel down on this operation early next week. That's why I kind of feel like it's a win win. I don't know if you guys agree with me on this. Maybe we can open up the phones early at 800-636-1067. I think if the commanders win, we're talking about Daniels as an MVP candidate, Washington as a legitimate contender for the Super Bowl. Not all of this stuff can change, but just through six weeks, that's the conversation. Whereas if they lose, it's kind of a solid spot for me. Like, oh, okay, so they didn't beat the Ravens in Baltimore. So they didn't win a fifth straight game. Now they're only four and two in leading the NFC East. Assuming they compete and they're in the game for most of four quarters, I don't really see a path to me feeling like this is revealing that they're not that good. So that's why I'm viewing it as almost a win win. If they win, there's so much to be gained. If they lose, they're supposed to. And so what? Yeah, I'm even, I'll even go further than that. Now, maybe the emotions on Sunday will have me feeling slightly different. But if they get blown out, Baltimore, I think it's 21 and one with the Ravens and Lamar Jackson playing against the NFC, 21 and one. A lot of those wins are ridiculous. Our woodshed wins. Right now, I think a lot of that is teams don't don't see them near as often and it's harder to prepare. That's a weird stat. I wonder, but to me that, like, why do you think that is? I don't view that as multiple reasons. One, they're good generally. Two, so they went a lot of games, maybe not 97% of their games. They're winning percentage over that time would probably be, and I'm just making this up, but like 14 and six, eight, you know what I mean? So why are they so much better against the NFC? And I think they play differently than everybody else in or they have in a lot of ways, right? So, you know, maybe NFC teams don't see them, but once every couple of years, something like that, different, more difficult to prepare for. I don't know. I mean, I'm just throwing stuff at the wall, but you do something 21 and one, that's a trend. That's worth monitoring, right? Coming into this weekend. So I think a part of that, I'm going, if they get blown out, I'm not even going to say same old, same old. I'm not going to say, okay, it wasn't even as good as we thought because it is. It is as good as we think. This could be their lithium game. Everybody has one. All except for Kansas City in Minnesota, but all every team that we think of is good. Like Houston is legit. They lost by 27 to Minnesota. They got destroyed in their big game against a good team, right? Everybody's got nobody in the league right now is so dominant that one week is going to be a referendum, at least from me, from my perspective. Here's Robin to disagree with that. I think you get that kind of loss if you're the Texans and we dismiss it as it happens. It was a dud. It was your lay the egg game, whereas if you're Washington and you're playing up a weight class, which is what they're doing, the thought is not, oh, they had a bad night. The thought is they don't really belong just yet, which I think is probably true because there's no track record here. Exactly. But I guess for me, winning this game is is validating. And what I mean by that is it's less measuring stick because flooky crap happens each week when look at Arizona beat in San Francisco this past weekend after not looking like they belonged in the NFL the week before against Washington. This is more of a, okay, you put in these unbelievable efforts last three weeks, right? It's, it's going well. How much of it is, okay, this is real and not just the nice three weeks? How much of this is? No, these guys are for real. These guys are good. And it's not just they caught Cleveland at the exact right time. Arizona was trying to prove something by keeping column early in the pocket. And Cincinnati, if they make a field goal, probably beat you over time, the way they could have done this past week to Baltimore. It changes the narrative a little bit. But if you win, it's going, yeah, this, this avalanche going downhill, this boulder is real, right? This, this is a group that absolutely belongs. So in that sense, I, it is a measure. But I think it makes them dangerous that they can gain a lot and can't really lose much. It is a nothing to lose spot essentially for Washington. It is a free and easy. Let's go see what happens where you are the biggest underdog you've been all season, you know, based on odds going into a game. The national expectation is Baltimore is going to beat you. I don't quite think the same way I did about the Bengals game going in for the record. But if you remember when they played Cincinnati, my thought was the Bengals are not as good as everybody thinks. I didn't think they'd be one and four right now. But similarly with the Ravens, the Ravens are still being talked about as if they are an AFC championship type team and they have not really looked like that at any point. They've had a couple of good games, some halves here or there that were interesting or good. But Danny, they could easily be two and three right now. So I don't view this as a game that Washington can't win. I don't view this as a game where they're going to get bullied. I don't think the line should be as big as it is. I think it should probably be four and a half or five points, not six and a half or seven, in my opinion. But I guess we'll find out on Sunday if they can stand toe to toe and exchange blows with Baltimore. I think both teams are going to have success when they've got the football and score points. I think it's going to be a high scoring game. Someone in the thirties is going to win. Someone in the upper twenties is going to lose. That's kind of the script I'm looking at. But I think what excites me is they have put so much hay already in the barn. I'll use my Eddie Jordan reference. They have harvested so many nuts that at four and one with four in a row, it's all gravy. As long as you show up and acquits yourself like you belong, win or lose your four and two coming back here. I think the Panthers shortly thereafter and it's back on. At that point now, that's the measuring stick game to me to make sure you don't play down to an opponent. That's when we find out for sure that it's different and you're going to handle the teams you're supposed to handle because that's going to separate the eight wins and the 11 or so wins at the end of this year. Are you going to pummel teams like Carolina? Can you take advantage of Carolina, Chicago and at New York, right? After this week, you should win two of those three games and you've one of them's got to be Carolina at home to me. If you split with the Giants and the Bears, Bears have a great defense. Giants are a division foe. You know, it'll be close and they've actually played pretty well starting with the game against Washington where they almost beat them here. They're being competitive. So I don't need you to win all three of those. I think that's probably unrealistic. But if you win two of those three at that point, you're two and two in your next four and you've gotten to six and two through eight. It's all my Donkey Kong. So I just I need them to look presentable in front of the public that is showing up to watch us. Do you belong in this game? I got friends coming over to the house. Kids, I need you to put on a nice outfit and let's pretend that, you know, we're not crazy for a couple of hours. Nobody picked their nose in front of other people for like 45 minutes, at least the first 45. Well, everyone's here and we're all socializing. But you agree with my premise then, and I want to hit the phones on this in a second 800 6361067 because it sounds kind of like loser talk in advance. It sounds like I'm preparing to lose and justifying it. And I promise it's not really that. I just don't view this even if they lose as a big problem. I think it's a if they win, it's amazing kind of house money game. And by the way, this is a bigger picture point that people won't like. I already kind of view this as a house money season. That's right. You would I literally put my finger up to be like, great, I'm going to say something. And that's what I was going to say. That's it. What you just said, this, this, like, there's so much better right now than I thought they would be. Like, I thought we're going to go maybe we eat out that seventh win because Jaden Daniels has up, you know, Griffin against Minnesota Viking scramble against somebody and it's, you know, blood, sweat and, you know, getting moisture from a stone to get to seven. They're so much better. They've already turned in better homework and shown mastery of the subject. Like they they're taking a 500 level course and I'm sitting here going, well, we're in, we're in elementary school, we're one on one projected wind total started six and a half, right? You know where it is right now? Four? No, no, no, oh, sorry. The wind total? Yes, I don't. Nine and a half. I have. Already a month into the season climbed three games. Yeah. Most by any team so far, obviously, right? Minnesota's, I'm sure, has jumped pretty sizeably too. Might be right there with them. So you don't apologize for having success. I mean, the same way in 2020, we're going, hey, this team isn't that good, but the division's so terrible. Might as well win it. You know what I mean? You could, you could apologize for one of these games, but I'm not going to do that. So here we are. They're ahead of schedule. I know they refuse to use words like rebuild and they got to find north and recalibrate north and arrive violently when they go north. You and me outside, look at it and be like, yeah, you turn over 70% of the roster. Everything is new. Staff players, you know, redoing facilities and everything on the fly, they're trying to make themselves a legit NFL org. There's no way. There's no way if you give everyone truth, sir, in that building, you can be four in one with a chance to go five in one and being the talk of the NFL. Are you going to be the best, potentially the best team in the league through five weeks? Is that you guys? They go probably not. That's probably a little bit of an overshoot. There's not a single person in that building that thought they'd be four in one with the number one offense in the NFL right now. I refuse to believe that they could know. Right. How could you and how could you? I think it probably would have done a couple things differently and been a little more aggressive in trying to go add pieces if that they thought they were that. Do you guys agree with the premise though that this weekend while a lot can be gamed if they win is a spot where Washington, even in a loss, assuming they play okay, comes out, not really having taken a step back. Like this is a house money game. You can only really benefit from already not like that idea about this matchup. 800 636 1067. You want to hop in on the MGM National Harbor listener lines. Will Montgomery on the O line play at three in those caps tickets were given away at four on G and D. Hey, Mike Vellini here host of cash to ticket alongside my partner, Jim Costa. It's really simple. 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Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates price and coverage match limited by state law. Okay, thank you. October is about as good a time in sports as there is. Last night I was watching the Major League Baseball playoffs which have been fascinating. The Padres and the Dodgers right now might be the best rivalry in all of sports. It's good. And my argument would be there's more guys on each side of that rivalry that hate players on the other team for Padres Dodgers than in almost any other situation in pro sports. Legitimately they don't like each other like you could see them getting into it. They really just actively loathe the other team. It's a West Coast version of Yankee's Red Sox a long time ago before the Red Sox basically became the thing that they despise. The Yankees, the overdogs, the high payroll, the, you know, they pretend fans with pink hats from all across the country inventing associations for Boston. San Diego's never done it. San Diego's always been son. They're always the little brother. It's even when they've had really good teams. One time they got to the World Series, they got squeezed at Yankee Stadium right before Tina Martinez, homered to change the whole series. They've never despite hype and promise that this is different. It's never been, but it's not one of the cool cities where everybody waxes poetic about the sports writer perspective. So nobody appreciates it. But they've never done it against LA and LA is the ultimate overdog. Always they their own television network, their own billions from just from parking. You know what I mean? Like that's the mega market and San Diego's the little engine that could within the playoffs in baseball. The NHL got started last night at our first game in Utah. That was awesome theater and television. I enjoyed in basketball. We had the wizards open their preseason. Alex are looked much better than he did in the summer league. Do you see him offensively? Yes. Some shots knocked down threes. They play again tonight. People were were I was a freaking out, but freaking out a little bit about the fact that they didn't score very well in the summer. I understand that because I don't think it was the lack of scoring. I think it was the inability to make a shot. Sure enough. People worried. Yeah. The old necessarily the same thing. Right. The old for 15s. I'm just going athletically watch him move around. This is not Johnny Davis, who can't get a shot off in the summer league, right? This is not a guy that you go. Oh my guy. This dude can't play. This is a kid who is probably a little bit overwhelmed, but the way he moves around, I'll still take my chances. So that was good to see that. That was that was nice for him, but it's fun right now as a sports fan and a big part of it in town is the commander. So we're getting ready for the Ravens. They play on Sunday at one. Everybody's going to be watching. And if they win, they'll be five and one and they may very well be at the top of some power rankings pending other results. If they've won five in a row with a quality win at Baltimore and the number one offense in the NFL, we're going to be talking about them through the lens of best team and football discussions and no matter what you want to say, it's on the table. If they beat the Ravens, all of it subject to change as we get deeper into the season. Sure. But if you want to say they're a Super Bowl contender, do it. That their quarterback should be the MVP. Sure. My point is they can't really lose with a loss. I think that a win is a stamp that they are credible and a stamp that they are legitimate and that they have arrived and they're not going away. A loss to me so long as it's not a embarrassing performance, so long as they don't look like they did against the Bucks. I don't think it does much damage. I think it's a glancing blow. I don't think there's such a thing as a knockout punch or a haymaker that they can really suffer in this fight. That's the question for you guys. Do you agree with that? 800-6-36-106? Yeah. And I, if, you know, I co-signed that, I even add, if it's a blowout, it's not going to dampen my spirits because I view this season. I view what's already happened. We are in plus territory. Like, I've sat down on my first hand of blackjack. I did the max bet and I hit blackjack and I got time and a half and I've already profited like 100% in my pocket. Now, I'm just playing the rest of the hands out with my little budget the rest of the way. That's how I'm viewing this. Like, this is already better than I thought. If they get destroyed because I'm not quite ready for prime time, that's all that is to me. I'm still going to have plenty of fun coming up. Maybe that's the only difference. If they get destroyed, I will view it as somewhat revealing that we all need to just hit the brakes a little bit. It's been all gas around here for a month. Yeah. And we don't even know where the break is. I think if they get beat really handily and they just look like... Because you know what it looks like, right? It's a much worse version of the Ravens. They can't get out of the huddle. It's false starts everywhere. It's just guys wide open and guys pointing and looking at each other. You know what we're used to. That kind of stuff. Then we all just need to slow down. Let's go to Cornelius in the district on Grant and Danny. What's up? Grant and Danny. What's up? Tell us, man. Thanks for taking the call, man. I just call that right now. As I'm talking to you guys, man, I got this big old smile on my face, right? I've been a Redskins commander since '77. I don't talk to you guys a couple of times before. I think the last time we talked was doing a draft when I was mentioning a key on Coleman on day two. But I haven't been back on assess. But man, we can beat Baltimore, man. We ain't scared of them. We ain't scared of them, man. I'm telling we on to something. What's happening right now, the defense is starting to pick it up. I'll be. We play Cleveland. But those teams used to... Man, that's not to get... Cleveland beat us. What? Last year or year before? The Tyler Murray and them people. They know me. Man, put up big points on us. The defense is stepping it up, even in Cincinnati. Yeah, Joe Burles do for a lot of y'all and all that. But we had that big, but don't break mentality. They settled for field goals while we were getting touchdowns. And Jayden Daniels, man, I've never seen nothing like this in my life, man. I still think I'm dreaming. But you know what? I'm not dreaming. Everybody deserves to have a star. And we got us one, man. We going up in there. We're not worried about no dirt. It's going to be a shootout. That's what it's going to be. It's going to be a shootout. And I'm telling you, man, we going beat them people's, man. Justin Tucker, if it come down to him, it looked like his leg is dead. Well, that wasn't until last week. Thank you, buddy. You might need to go watch this past game, because he kicked a big field goal from deep to get him to overtime. And then he hit a game-winning field goal this past weekend as well. But you're right. I mean, there's a little more hesitation, I think, and anxiousness as a Ravens fan, if he's taking the field in a big spot. But respectfully, I would say that that also exists with Washington of Austin, Cybert is trying out there to kick a 52 yarder for the win, because he has not made a field goal beyond 45. Now, he's been perfect. He said everything. But he's also been asked to do very little. Like, hey, did my daughter eat all over lunch? Yes. What did you put on her plate? Three peas and a fruit roll-up. That's a little more telling. He has been all chip shots all the time. I am happy that he has executed perfectly on extra points as well, which you shouldn't take for granted with the distance now from 33 that it is. But I'm not convinced yet that they've solved the kicker dilemma. I still want to see him hit something from 50 plus because that's the knock on him, frankly, is leg strength, depth. That's why a lot of times they kick off by designed to have returns. I'd like to see that in a big spot at some point before I put it in Sharpie that he's the guy we don't have to do it this week. We don't have to have it come down to him making a 50 plus yarder to win, but it's going to happen at some point. This is the NFL, right? But yeah, I mean, I think it's fair to say I'm both excited and there are still some pondering, still some questions where we go, okay, this is this three weeks has been great. But dot dot dot. What do we know? I think it's perfectly fine to ask those questions and also go, I can't wait for this. I can't wait to see how they play against Baltimore. I can't wait to see like it's now look forward to viewing instead of a chore, which is what it was for so long. Well, their offense is must see. I mean, their offense is no longer a what down is it. Can I run to the bathroom real quick? You have to watch every snap. They're the number one offense in the NFL in terms of scoring. The Ravens are second, by the way. So bring on one o'clock on Sunday. Let's go to Will who's in L.A. listening on the Odyssey app. What's up, Will? What's up, guys? Yeah, I think this is definitely a measuring to game. I mean, you know, that's a smart team up there, mortars, basins, coach to be. They don't take opponents for granted, and they play hard pretty much every week. Every team that's where they play them knows they played them. This is an opportunity yet to see exactly how good the team is. Appreciate you. Thanks, bud. Yeah. This I mean, to me, this is less about this year for Baltimore, because they've been middling by their standards. Week one was competitive at Kansas City. Again, a couple of things go differently. They could win that game. They lost it, whatever. That lost in week two to the Raiders. Really unimpressive how they gave that one away. Last three weeks, they won all three. But this isn't like, Oh my God, I'm seeing a juggernaut. This is this is home field throughout the AFC postseason type stuff. But their track record when again, when Lamar Jackson's healthy, they win 70 some percent of their games, right? You're playing the ghost of the Raven, two degree, a very beatable team. They gave up 40 and should have lost to a team you beat a couple weeks ago, right? This was just yesterday's Sunday's game against the bills. Now they did crush them 35 10. And I'd give them full credit for that. That was like the one dominant signature effort they had. But the Dallas game, they had a great first half. They almost lost that game. They were lucky to hang on to that game. And then they lost to a bad Raiders team. So yeah, I'm not scared of the Ravens by any means. I don't think they're the big bad bully on the block that everybody else does. I think they're more a 10 and seven, nine and 18, then they are a 13 and 14. And I think they could definitely be had there. Their home game against the Raiders tells you everything you need to know, in my opinion. But it is worth noting that the last time they played in Baltimore, they beat the bills by 25. They beat the breaks off the bills and they, Josh Allen, look bad. So they still have that club in the bag. Did you notice that there was some news, there was a change to the Raven staff today? Oh, by the way, no. So their defense has been pretty dreadful statistically. They've gotten off to an awful start. Their defensive coordinator is a first year guy named Zach Orr. Remember Mike McDonald was our DC last year. He left and went cross country to be the head coach in Seattle. So he is out there running the Seahawks. Well, so far, might I add, or has been elevated. A lot of the defensive assistants left. He was a linebacker's assistant last year. He got promoted to defensive court injury played with the Ravens from 2014 to 2016 was a second team all pro his final year in 2016. He's only 32 years old, but he's the DC the play caller. It has been a real struggle in the building. They've been trying to help him. Sounds like players have been kind of, you know, trying to elevate him a little bit as well. They went and got Dean Pease. They announced today to be an advisor. Oh, they're old defensive coordinates. So they're bringing him back to basically help Zach Orr already. And or at the podium, it sounded like he spoke to someone today. I'm guessing it was a press conference basically said, look, this guy's a Raven. He knows what we do. He knows how we play. Anyone who can kind of help us. We're all in this thing together. But this to me is obviously a John Harbaugh going to him going. This is not working. Yeah, this is not what we do here. I am not a guy that hires and fires people. But we're going to help you. So Dean Pease is coming in here. Ask as many questions as you need to. But this is not going to fly. Yeah. So this is the first week with Pease now in the building, helping them. I'll be curious to see if that is notable on Sunday. Let's go to Neil and Fredericksburg on Grant and Danny. What's up, Neil? What's up? Grant Danny. Hey, you guys doing today? Good, bro. Hey, so first game I've ever been to was Sunday against Cleveland. That was a static. I've watched numbers of games and seeing how empty the stadium just felt. But Sunday, the game, the stadium was just so alive. And when it comes to Sunday against the Baltimore, I think I agree with both of you guys. If we win, we're back. We're here. We have a point to be made. If we lose, it's not going to be the end of the season. We only need to win three games to get the seven games. One, right? We only need three out of the next, what, eight games to get the seven seven and seven. But seven doesn't mean anything at this point. Thank you, bud. Me seven was considered okay season at the beginning of the year when they're over under was six and a half. Now at four and one, seven is a disaster. Seven. Who cares? We only need three wins to get to seven. We'll finish three and eight. Why seven? You don't want that. So what 10 is the new number you need to care about? That's what you get to the playoffs with 11, which they haven't done around here since 1991. And obviously you have an extra game now, but I'll still just that number. They've had several years with 17 tries and haven't gotten there a 11 win season, which hasn't happened since I was in a diaper gets you a division title. Those are the numbers you should be thinking about at this moment until something changes, not seven, eight hundred six, three, six, one, oh six, seven is the number on Grant and Danny. Couple stories to track in the NFL this weekend outside of Washington, including the Jets and the Patriots will explain why next will Montgomery is on the show to critique Washington's offensive line. How have they played so far this season? We'll ask the former starting center in 20 minutes on the fan. This episode is brought to you by progressive insurance. Whether you love true crime or comedy, celebrity interviews or news, you call the shots on what's in your podcast queue. And guess what? Now you can call them on your auto insurance too with the name of your price tool from progressive. It works just the way it sounds. You tell progressive how much you want to pay for car insurance and they'll show you coverage options that fit your budget. 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And the moment is if I played better on Sunday, this doesn't happen. And as somebody who takes a lot of pride in their performance, that was the main sentiment for me yesterday. That's Aaron Rodgers on the Pat McAfee show earlier today. Welcome back. Grant and Danny on the fan. I thought Rogers said all of the right things. I've been watched that interview. You heard him there. Take some ownership on his play and not being good enough, being part of the reason why Robert Sallow was fired. The Jets this weekend play the Buffalo Bills. They're two and three buffaloes three and two. If New York beats Buffalo, they're in first place by way of the tiebreaker. So they have lost too straight, but they started two and one, wins over the Titans and the Patriots. Very unimpressive two and one, but losses to Denver in the rain, 10 to nine. And then the Vikings, 23 17 consecutive bad games for Rogers. All they got to do as they've now installed Jeff Obrick, the defensive coordinators, their interim head coach, Danny, is find a way to be Buffalo in their first place. Yeah. Buffalo is not the same team. They were the first couple of weeks of the season, right, where they looked really, really good a couple of times. They've lost too straight by 25 points to the Ravens and then by a field goal to the Texans. Yeah. So the, the things that I thought were going to happen early this season, the offense scuffling a little bit and Josh Allen happened to play superhero have happened now, right? Whether they're all of a sudden, not the same group they were. And that's obvious when they scored 34, 31 or 47 over the course of the first three games, there's a regression happening. So again, if there's a time to play Buffalo, it's probably right now this minute. So it just shows you how razor thin the margin is, right? As, and we talked about this, oh my God, they're two and three. This is so bad. Well, van Rogers hits Garrett Wilson, who has beaten his defender like a statue for a easy walk in touchdown. We're talking about a three and two team and everyone's got great feelings, right? At this point, but of course, it's not what happened. The margin is that thin. We're now a seller's out of a job and Rogers has to give comment about it. Yeah. And I don't know that the fix is necessarily coming because the problems, the offense, and I don't know that there's a major change looming. Supposedly Nathaniel Hackett was relieved of play calling duties the morning that Robert Sallow was fired by Robert Sallow. But the moment Sallow got fired right after that, he got his duties back. Now, old brick is not commented on that. It's possible and he and Sallow kind of agreed on Hackett. And maybe he names Todd down and was their passing in coordinator, the play caller. And there's a change anyway. But Rogers sounded like he was going to play nice on Mac if he said whatever old brick wants to do, I'm here to do. I'm a team guy. If he wants to make changes, he should make changes. We need to win football games. But I don't know if it's that easy behind the scenes. This is what Rogers had to say about the notion that he was involved in getting Robert Sallow fired this week. As far as any of the ridiculous allegations out there, I'm not going to spend more than one sentence in response to it. And that is that I resent any of those accusations because they're patently false. And it's interesting, the amount of power that people think that I have, which I don't. But I love Robert and he was one of those days yesterday. I agree with part of what he just said, which is I think that people believe that he has more power than he does. I think the perception on the outside is that everything that they do is Rogers's decision. And I think it's way less like that than people assume. That said, I think they fired Robert Sallow. And I think his relationship with Sallow was probably a major factor. Yeah, I don't think it's as simple as you know, phone rings. Hey, Aaron, it's Woody. What do you want to do tomorrow? You want to follow up? Want me to fire Robert Sallow? Okay. Thanks. See you practice. He admitted that he talked to the owner the night before Sallow was fired. Do you think he advocated for the firing of Sallow? Yes. I 100% do. I because opinion was taken in. I think his viewpoints are known whether he said fire this man tomorrow or not. That's where I'm going. I don't think he verbalized that or said anything like we need to fire him. We need to go to brick. Old brick is what they call him, brick. I think it was honestly just a what do Johnson knows this guy does not like him very much. Like what's your opinion? And he gave it, you know, instead of saying we're it's getting better. We're about to turn the corner. Totally. He's like, this ain't working. This is not sustainable. And you know, probably knew what he was doing. I think Rogers is nothing but calculated when it comes to these sorts of things. So I'm sure he has possible liability or like were did you say Robert Sallow should be fired? He gets to say no. He's probably right. He probably never said those exact words, but he also didn't didn't go. It's you can't you can't do it. You can't get rid of him. We're going to make beautiful music together. That's my guy. You didn't you know what I mean? Like to me, he has a ton of power. Even if he's not the person that's like standing at the podium with the decision being made, everything is catered to him because it has to be the other big story in the NFL this weekend outside of the commanders in the Ravens will be the debut of Drake May for the New England Patriots who have lost four straight games. Doesn't it seem like forever ago that they shocked the Bengals in week one and everybody was singing the praises? Maybe they're not as bad as we think. Maybe they're not going to be picking first overall. They won that game 16 to 10 with a defensive gem when the Bengals didn't have to Higgins. Jamar Chase had not practiced with the team yet. Joe Burrow was just coming back from injury since then they lost to Seattle. They got blown out by the Jets. They got blown out by the 49ers and they lost to a dolphins team with Tyler Huntley making his second start in Miami in his second week there. Yeah, they're just a low ceiling team, right? You give them credit for a few games. They've been competitive and they play hard and they're you know, they're they're they're trying their efforting. They're bad is what they are. But they're bad. Yeah, when when when somebody knows what the hell they're doing, see a San Francisco, the game's over. I tweeted this today at Grand H. Paulson Danny's at Funny Danny. I have now lived long enough to see Washington become New England and New England become Washington. And what I mean by that is not that the commanders are going to win all of the Super Bowls coming up, although that would be nice. But the commanders do things in a smart way and New England doesn't. Nothing they've done with Drake May make sense to me at all. Frankly, nothing they've done since Belichick walked out the door, makes sense. They just promoted the coach in waiting. They didn't really do a real interview process in any capacity. They didn't interview anybody from outside the building. They just said, "Drogneo, you're the guy." Okay, I guess. Drake May, they didn't want to play because they were afraid the offensive line can't protect him. The week that they decided, you know what? Let's actually play him. The offensive line can protect him now. Their line, which has the worst pressure rate allowed, is going to take on the Texans who have the best pressure rate forced and Danielle Hunter, who's leading the NFL and pressures defensively. Like nothing they've done at any point makes any sense with what they actually say. They just seem like a real dump at this point, post Belichick. And it's not like it was a whole lot better at the end of his time there. Yeah, there's to me, there's no lever you can really pull. In other words, there's no receiver that's coming back from the IR that's going to give him a jolt. You're still, no matter when you put him in, it's into the situation that you just alluded to. They have the worst skill group, I think, in the sport between Romander Stevenson and Antonio Gibson. Gibson's actually been playing well, at least Stevenson can't stop fumbling. But that running back tandem is fine. Even good, you would say. That's it. That's the list. They're reprehensible bad on that side of the football. Whenever you drop Drake May in there, that's where he's going to be. Five weeks, 10 weeks, no weeks. Just interesting to me that they go. Now's the time. I'm just glad he gets to play, but last week against Miami wouldn't have been a more favorable situation. It was like it would have been right. They just everything they do seems weird. Will Montgomery was a long time starting center here in DC with the then red skins. We asked him to study the film on this offensive line to see what they're doing so well. We will have him on the show next right here on Grant and Danny on the fan. This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Whether you love true crime or comedy, celebrity interviews or news, you call the shots on what's in your podcast queue. And guess what? Now you can call them on your auto insurance too, with the name of your price tool from Progressive. It works just the way it sounds. You tell Progressive how much you want to pay for car insurance, and they'll show you coverage options that fit your budget. Get your quote today at Progressive.com to join the over 28 million drivers who trust Progressive. 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You know, I know we had lunch a couple of weeks to go, although you may need to pay for my own lunch this time, although a couple of years ago, you paid for my lunch and I'm paying for my own lunch now. Yeah, that was pre-COVID. I've lost like three of my five jobs. That's what he does now. Well, it's it's nickel time here, there and everywhere. It's it's like, dude, open up the pocketbooks, Rouge McDuck. Yeah, he said, let's let's go have some lunch. And then by the way, it's like $75 of the park, another, you know, 50 for lunch. I got pulled going back. I need an expense report just to hang out with this guy. Well, that's why we'll do quarterly meetups, not monthly. Okay, once a quarter, I had that NFL salary. Did you okay? We're going to make it work. Maybe zoom a couple times, just to yeah, just to glow the expenses. Yeah, I got you. I got you. I'd like to get into, but I gave you a little homework assignment, speaking of money for free. We did not pay them to do this for us, but we gave them a homework assignment to dive in on Washington's offensive line because well, the perception is that they've been kicking butt and the numbers that I look at and care about, things like ESPN's run block, win rate, pass block, win rate, PFF's grading, all very, very favorable. Some of them top five, some of them top 10 for the commanders to this point. So what do your eyeballs tell you when you watch them? Well, my first impression is when you gave me the list of the interior three, which I'm familiar with these guys. I also appreciate you spelling their names would be pronunciation attached to it, like Nick, Allegretti, Tyler Biotis, Sam, Cosby. So hopefully I didn't, uh, box that too much. Trust me. But you did it. But no, those guys are all big men. You know, they're six four, six, five, three, twenty. I think one time when I was training for the combine, I got up to three, twenty at my highest ever, but that was when I was, uh, juiced up on three, 18 and needed that macaroni grill every day and just benching, just bench pressing, squatting. So I think I played it more than about three or five, three or six. These guys are all north of three, 10, if not three, twenty plus. And the things I noticed about the way they block, especially in this, um, in this scheme is just not as much outside zone like the Shanahan area. These guys are doing smash mouth down hill football, public gab scheme that powers its counters, its traps. Obviously they mix in a little bit of the zone read. So their version of the zone game is just the simple sort of inside zone that's more of the vertical zone and then the quarterback and read it on the backside. But I completely agree with your analysis that these guys are moving the other humans off the ball, uh, you know, to the court, Russ Grimm, they are men and they're moving another men against their will backwards. So if you can move the defensive line off the spot, a yard or two, that is huge in the NFL because most of the times you're getting a stalemate at best. But if you can move the line, scrimmage back, a yard or two, and then you're running back is going to get three yards in the cloud of dust every time. If you make somebody miss, now you're looking at those gas runs of 10, 20, 30 plus yards. So we'll kind of two part are here and, and feel free to tell me I'm wrong at any point in time. So I've always felt sort of non QB runs out with standing. So, you know, forget about kind of a zone read concept or something like that where the quarterback can take off. But in general, I've always felt like it's harder to run from the shotgun. Maybe maybe harder for the old line. So first part of the question is, agree or disagree with that. And then if you agree with me, how have they overcome that, uh, to be so effective in terms of run blocking? Well, I will say when you're making a snap from the center position, it's a little bit harder to make an accurate snap and then, you know, fire off and block somebody because you almost have to slow yourself down trying to make an accurate snap and then speed back up and pile drive somebody. Now if you're a guard or a tackle, I don't think it really matters either or, you know, if you're definitely in a short yardage situation, kind of goal line fourth and one, you see the eagles with the calcium during the first push and all that. The center can definitely fire off better with your under center. Now, if you're in the gun, you can still do it. Hopefully you're sort of on the 45 degree angle. So you can kind of, you know, get a plant step down and then drive into your mail with the second step. It's a little bit harder to get the straight fire off with that first step in the shotgun. But these big boys, like I said, with three 10, three 20 plus six four to the six six plus and then they're out and they're doing a great job with it. I want to start at center and Wilmont Gumrey started at that position for Washington for years, joining us on Grant and Danny. I think Tyler Biotis has been fantastic, comes over from Dallas, kind of a mixed bag with what I was told about his performance with the Cowboys. But obviously Dan Quinn liked him enough as a guy as a leader and as a player that he made him a priority and free agency to reunite with him here. He's at 185 drop backs basically in past blocking and he is allowed one pressure and it was a hurry. He has not allowed a quarterback hit, a sack, anything like that, according to the PFF counting stats. When you watch him, what is he doing so well? He also hasn't been penalized yet, by the way, which seems like a big deal. Well, first thing I'll do is give you the analysis that my seven year old son and nine year old daughter gave me. We had the game on and they saw a big number 63 up there. Wait a minute, dad, are you still playing? How are you still out there? I'm like, no, that's another big 63. That's an inch taller and about 10 pounds heavier. No, but I noticed that, you know, another quick tip with center is half the time you're in double teams. So that's another good part about center, unless you're playing the team with the two zero nodes with a guy stacked over your head. So if you can cross your fingers during a couple games and not have many one-on-one blocks, that's why, you know, the worst off you get the closer to the ball that you get. So you're basically double team blocking the whole time. But no, I think yeah, this is doing a great job. You know, you see him ID in the mic or the wheel or the sand linebacker setting the schemes. You know, I see where he's pointing. So I think he's doing an excellent job. He's a big, thick guy. He reminds me of like those old school stealers and radians aligned with his big body and they're stout for the quarterback, which is great. So the pocket is firm in the middle. So there's room to step up. You know, your tackles are allowed then to ride the guy by. That's, it's really your prototypical, you know, power, ISO, heavy duty, O line, the commanders have that right now. Long time NFL lineman, one Montgomery with this here on GND. So I'll go to the right tackle spot here. Well, Andrew Wiley got beat up pretty good last year. She's really struggled at the start of the season, actually played better this season white, but nobody noticed because they weren't any good and they were losing a bunch of games and his rep from early on, uh, wasn't the best. That was a spot where a lot of fans dummies like me included said, Hey, they could probably do better there, but they're maybe kind of stuck with a contract to sort of see what happens. I feel like he's played well as part of this group. What are your eyes tell you about Andrew Wiley at right tackle? Well, I'll say one thing in general, and I'll pick on my buddy Tyler Columbus over there. I know he's doing radio work for the Broncos. You know, we, we were able to hide tighter Columbus and I say that in a loving Tyler a lot, but if you run the ball and you, you know, you execute play action and you stay ahead of the sticks. When I say that, we stay on schedule and goes first down second and seven, third and one to two and you don't let those pass rushers tee off. There haven't really been a lot of obvious pass situations. The run game has been there. The checkdown game, the quick game, really, if you're an old lineman, especially a tackle, you're sweating about third along. If you can avoid a lot of third along and obvious pass down, you have yourself a good game because you enjoy the run game. You enjoy the play action. You enjoy the boots. You enjoy the zone reads. And if there are a couple of pressures, you know, your quarterback's going to bail you out of a couple of those and turn the sack into a 60 yard explosive play. So really the best thing you can do for a tackle who you, who you may not think is an all pro tackle is run the ball and stay on track. You know what I'm amazed by Will is they're doing this weird left tackle platoon time share thing that would seem to me like it could never work. I remember early on, maybe Shane Ann's first couple of games. We were all stunned because I think it was Derek Dockery was like the entrenched left over. And he split time with Licton Steiger. I think it was and soon enough Stuygs took over as the starter. There was another time where Columbus, who you just mentioned, I think it was Columbus, digging back into my time on the beat now. So I might be confusing it. But like him and Jamal Brown started splitting. And it was because he was about to take over that starting job or whatever. And I bring this up to say this is by design now weekend and week out that it's basically a 50 50 time share between Cornelius Lucas and Brandon Coleman, the rookie. And I haven't really asked. I want to get over there when I'm able to for the next press conference to say like, what how do they do this? Is it series by series? Is it two? Then the other one gets two? And what is the idea here? But it is working really, really well. What do you make of it? Well, historically speaking, if the younger guy is getting reps, that's because they want him to win the job. Now, if the older guy is still getting reps, that means the younger guy hasn't quite beat him out yet. And then there's also a financial incentive that I remember when I first started getting reps, I think artists hit too much pre workout Jack. So I got in back in their right guard during the Shanahan era. And even though I came into the league as a seventh rounder and bounced around to a different bunch of different teams, I knew I had did not have a short leash at all because under the bugle era and zone era, the previous season, you know, I had been bent for sometimes average play. So when I was the guy that they didn't necessarily want, I actually played seven. I would I consider amazing games in a row, and they couldn't replace me. So if you are the younger guy or the underpaid guy or the late round draft pick guy, you kind of have to, you know, play better than your, you know, then you have to outplay the other guy no matter what. Now, you're going to get more chances if you are a high draft pick guy or, you know, the coaches have an incentive for you to play to make them look good. So there's a little bit of politics involved. But at the end of the day, the best guy usually will play for just a matter of how many opportunities you get from where you come from. But just to make it work. I mean, everything we always hear about the line is continuity and reps and unity and togetherness to be series by series, having a different left tackle seems like it goes against that. Yeah. I mean, I think the biggest thing is your guard next view. So a big nick over there is able to make his double team calls because really, I want to say they're running a simple scheme, but essentially what they're doing is they're double teaming, they're down blocking, or they're running their pen and pull play. And what I mean, the pen and pull play, you get your title and tackle blocking down and then maybe your guard and your center are pulling. So they basically, you have three different schemes. And based on those three schemes, it could be a simple game plan where you have a four down defense. So you basically double teaming, down blocking, or pulling. I mean, so it's kind of easy to make those calls. Now it gets a little bit trickier in the past protection game when some of these exotic blitzes happen. Or I remember watching the Eagles years ago when you had Evan Mathis and their last tackle, they used to sit on different levels. And when I say that, the guard may set tight to the line and the tackle may be set. So there's things like that where in the third obvious pass situation, you want to make sure that you're in sync with both guys either sitting on the line or both guys sitting vertically off the ball to make sure some of those twist stunts don't come into play. So I think, yeah, it's more of an issue in the passion game, but they've been avoiding a lot of these obvious third and longs and playing catch up. We haven't seen the commanders down too often. That's really when you can kind of see the holes in any kind of communication in the old line play. Well, Montgomery with us here on Grant and Danny, breaking down the Washington football gentleman's offensive line after a long career. Well, I just sort of wondered in general here, like there, I'm sure it's like a tradeoff, right? But good and bad, I'd love you to go through it. What's it? What it's like blocking for quarterback that's this mobile, right? On one hand, a statue back there, you know where he's going to be. But so does the defense. On the other hand, you know, when the target is for three steps and you're still blocking and you can kind of tell that the guy isn't throwing the ball yet. Like, what are the challenges they're in and what are the benefits of it are blocking for a guy that's his mobile is Jayden Daniels. Well, I definitely blocked for both types. And let me start with your question. Do you have the other way when I was in Denver in 2014 blocking for a non mobile quarterback, man, Peyton Manning, he got that ball out in two and a half seconds. We led the league in the least amount of sacks given up. But really it's because that ball was out in two and a half seconds every single time, no matter what. And even if instead of throwing it away, sometimes he would just fall to the ground and take a fact. So half of those sacks, he was just diving to the ground. On the other side, obviously with a mobile quarterback, he's going to save you a couple of times. I mean, in this past game, obviously he did his Houdini trick and got out of a couple of sacks and some of those turn into explosive plays. So the play will be extended. And then conversely, that might accidentally add on to a couple of sacks later on because if that ball is being held on to more than three and a half seconds or if the quarterback is setting back to like 10 plus yards, then those sacks are really on the quarterback. If he's hanging in there at seven yards and that ball is out within three seconds, then those sacks are usually on the O line. But also some of these blips that we're seeing. If you only have five or six blockers, including your back and the premium seven, then you are hot. I know there's that big play this past week where the defense brought an extra defender off the right side that should have been a sack or if there was tape manning, he probably would have thrown it away or just dove to the ground. But our quarterback here, Jayden was able to get out of that somehow and make a 60 yard pass down the field. So I think really sometimes it helps. Sometimes it may add to the sack total. Sometimes I'll get out. So I just kind of depend. Will Montgomery with us on G and D? What's something that you get annoyed by or that you see with a lot of even media members, but like people breaking down a play or maybe an analyst on a game blaming something you go, well, that's not quite right. Like what is something fans media don't always understand about the O line? Well, a big thing I think is who to blame the stock on. Do they think media and even profile focus? I spent a year with profile focus also a couple years ago, but they don't understand past protection schemes. It's not just like you're playing Madden and you step back and you take most dangerous. You generally go to a specific person, whether it's the middle linebacker, the strong backer, the weak backer. Sometimes you're sliding out to the nickel will. There are some cases where you're sorting strong or you're sorting weak. There's other times when they're running back, check their assignment and then they leave, but sometimes they're running back. We've early and their guys come. There's other times where the line sees that their guys are not coming. So they kind of try to come back and late to help out, but in actuality, that's not their guide. If they happen to get a sack, the line is bonus in that case. So even like somebody like me, who I think I understand protections well, I can't be 100% sure on who to assign some of these sacks to, but the media and even profile focus at times will automatically give a sack to somebody who came inside their gap just because, oh, why would you block the end there? Why wouldn't you block that fan backer blitzing in the D gap? Well, probably because there wasn't his assignment on that play. The Q is either supposed to throw hot or that's the back guy or some other circumstance with the case. Well, only a minute or two left here with you, buddy, give us something to kind of look for here going forward. Just a couple of your keys to maybe sustain this thing or even getting better on the offensive line. What are some things that you're going to go in? I got this circle that I want to see how they do. Well, you know what I've encouraged by, especially with the offensive coordinator, Cliff Kingsbury, is I'll see a play where there's a pulling part play. Like I mentioned, the pen and pull where you know, your tackles and tight ends are blocking down and you get some pulling, pulling parts outside. And in the very next play, he'll run that same concept of the pass off of it. So I love how he's protecting the run plays with the play action pass. Not so different than how my seventh and eighth grade flag football team is going. I'll set it up with a reverse or a double reverse and then I'll hit the fake reverse, the fake sprint in the round and hit him deep. So if I can trick the seven and eight year olds with flag football, that's basically Cliff Kingsbury. It's kind of stealing what I'm doing on my flag football team and doing it with the commanders. You run the ball, you run the runs and then you make it look like that. You take the play action shot deep and that's really a different way of kind of running the Shanahan offense if you think about it. You know, I know there's like seven or eight head coaches in the league running that right now. The run, run, run, play action off the run. Cliff is doing it as well that he's doing it in his own way where you have a mobile quarterback and a few more reads in there. Sometimes the quarterback, I've seen him pulled it a few times where he maybe he shouldn't have pulled it. But more times than that, when he pulled it, it's a good choice. And I love how Cliff is protecting the runs with the play action shot off of those runs. Will, do you do any consulting? I'm consulting right now with you guys. Okay, because my six year old his flag football team between me and coach Matt and coach Luke, our offense is guys don't remember where to line up and everyone just kind of runs forward, even if they're getting the football on a reverse like we can't get them lined up right. So if you can come out to a practice or two, that would help us. Well, when in doubt, just kind of kick them a little bit, kick them in the butt and then right. And I'll honestly, sometimes when I tell these seven and eight year olds what to do and then one second later they ask me, oh, where do I go? Sometimes I'm like, I don't know. Like, I literally just forgot and I told you two seconds, but I literally just told you. I'm telling five kids where to line up. There's a center quarterback and we're in the 505 league. And yes, that sometimes can get a little bit dicey. Well, great info, man. Love a good breakdown on the O line left to take inventory on how they're looking again here in a few weeks. Thanks for the time. We appreciate it. All right. Thank you guys. Everybody good. That's our buddy. Will Montgomery former Redskins offensive lineman in town on Grant and Danny. We do have caps tickets to give away today and 40 minutes ahead of the beltway blitz to make sure you are listening. Let's go through some of the teams in the NFL next that are struggling a bit. Should we be calm or concerned for their chances to make the playoffs that's next on the fan? This episode is brought to you by progressive insurance. Whether you love true crime or comedy, celebrity interviews or news, you call the shots on what's in your podcast queue. And guess what? Now you can call them on your auto insurance too with the name of your price tool from progressive. It works just the way it sounds. 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I've been saying t-shirts the hoodies to play right me definitely it's fall now hoodie season that's the best this morning walking to school with the kids it's like sub 50 a couple straight days so it's hoodie time when I go around the NFL here look at some of the struggling teams in the National Football League Daris will dive into the standings we're going to go calm or concerned Danny if you are calm you still think this team's going to make the playoffs there's nothing to worry about just yet if you are concerned you don't see a renaissance coming after a slow start what's up dad calm or concerned about the San Francisco 49ers they are two and three they play tomorrow night at Seattle and Thursday football a little bit concerned this is still a team with a high ceiling the track record is there so you know what rule them out of your own peril but this McCaffrey it's in both legs now and it's worse than we thought kind of it just feels like one of those snowballs rolling they're banged up they can't quite get right nothing is that easy for Rockford anymore I still think they end up having a nice year but it's not what we're used to so that's why I'm saying concern they're they pretty much got to bed win 12 13 games I don't like that's the case this year youtube audience and Danny I want you to look at my hand what's it doing you're holding it about a foot and a half maybe two feet above the table it's flat you could balance something on it it's still it's not shaking not shaking my hand never shakes Billy Costigan style the costigan the San Francisco 49ers are just fine they're in a division where they are one game back of three in two Seattle who they play this week where they win at three and three they will be in first place in the NFC West likely to start next season pending the Arizona result the 49ers are fine they are super banged up and they are a one-point loss that they shouldn't have lost against the Cardinals away from still without a bunch of their best players on the offensive side of the ball for durations of this season you know being at the top of the division I know it's tough even with Seattle Kansas City coming up Dallas before the buy but they will eventually get this thing turned around tough schedule look at their stretch run bears rams dolphins cardinals in that stretch I think they're going to be okay this is a playoff team I am calm on San Francisco calm we're concerned about their division rival the team that actually got their only win against the LA Rams they have a buy week this week and then they play the Las Vegas Raiders on the other side with hopefully Cooper cup returning I am concerned about the Rams I know they'll get Cooper cup back in week seven and they have one game left to play maybe without cup before he comes back against possibly Minnesota but they're not very good they're one and four they were so lucky to beat San Francisco they lost to the lions by six they lost to the Cardinals by 31 then they shocked the Niners with that miracle fourth quarter when we were in since watching in our nice suite at that beautiful hotel what was that hotel the hotel Covington the hotel Covington we stayed with Troy Aikman and Joe Buck although not in their room that would have been weird the Bears they lost pretty handily the Packers now they've lost two they're one and four I think they beat the Raiders two and four and then they've got Vikings Seahawks back to back they're probably going to be two and five and I just think that's too big a whole yeah concern although they're they've got one blowout loss here it's Arizona week two they looked horrendous everything else has been a one score game that they've been in that's as a really banged up group the thing is I don't think you get unbanged up I don't think all of a sudden they're just going to get healthy overnight Cooper cups coming back yes for now it just feels like one of those against snowball rolling in the wrong direction type groups where they don't have enough talent in a lot of places and it's Matt Stafford and Sean McVay's genius kind of keeping them afloat I don't think they have it this year. Call were concerned after two weeks they were once America's darlings since then they were over three and the loss they're starting quarterback the New Orleans Saints they're two and three and they host Tampa Bay this weekend concern this is who I thought they were coming into the season I their head coach was the guy I thought I was going to get fired early on right Dennis Allen but now all of a sudden Dennis Allen would be Robert Salah yeah I thought he was going to be the first to be fired that's the thing I would have bet on if if I were to have wagered on that but they came out scoring 45 a game through two weeks and that's a distant memory isn't it I don't think they've scored 45 combined maybe they have over the last three weeks total 49 total through three games they have been a dramatically different team over the last three requesting violently to the mean now without Derek Carr I just don't see it for them there are two teams that are at a minimum that are better than them in the division they play the box in the Broncos in the next 10 days I think it is let me see here the second game to seven oh sorry eight days they have two games in the next eight days so I'm sure that's good they will lose both of them without Derek Carr at least one of them but if that's the case and you're talking about three and five I am concerned the bucks are good the falcons have trended up in the NFC South New Orleans is in big big trouble call more concerned about our division rival here in the NFC East the Philadelphia Eagles who are coming off their bi-week to host the lowly Cleveland Browns this weekend I'm calm they're a sick one Barkley pitch and catch a catch that he makes a hundred times out of a hundred that my six-year-old make so it's 96 times out of a hundred they dropped that pass which will never happen again away from being three and one and having beaten Atlanta or just a couple normal tush pushes or play calls away from being three and one despite having a rash of injuries they've got an easy schedule here coming up Cleveland and the Giants I think we're going to look up and Philadelphia is going to be you know seven and four trending in the right direction they're not great they're not a juggernaut by any stretch imagination but people you know dig in their grave and right in their epitaph tuition so I'm going to say calm in that I think they are going to be a playoff caliber team when it's all set and done but I feel about Philly today what I have felt about them since the season began which is their their frauds a little bit I just don't think they're that good and I'm not going to think that until I see a lot more deposits Danny mentioned in their favor that they could be three and one and that's fine I could also point out that they easily could have lost the Packers shoot out when Green Bay had a couple receivers slipping and falling that were wide open that would have scored touchdowns they could have easily lost their win against New Orleans oh by the way 15 to 12 when two defenders ran into each other on a mesh concept to give Dallas Goddard 70 yards in the game winning drive so sorry about your luck I mean they could be 0 and 4 just as easily as they could be three and one the Browns they should beat the Browns are terrible they play the Giants I think that'll actually be a tight game I think they lose to the Bengals I think the Jaguars is tough but eventually it's Cowboys commanders Ravens there's enough stinkers in here that they'll be fine and they'll get to nine maybe 10 wins but I'm not worried about Philly they don't scare me they're just okay but I'll say calm in that their whole season still ahead of them call more concerned about the team that was the first to fire their head coach this year and they have so many primetime games that nobody acts for the Jets said two and three who hosts the Bills on Monday night football this week I'm going to go with concerned Aaron Rodgers looks old he does not look very good he was awful against the Broncos you want to blame that on bad weather that's reasonable he was just as bad against the Vikings and I don't think there was that much bad weather in that London game that's too straight now where he has not looked good in their offenses stunk their only wins Danny or against the Tennessee Titans we're going to pick in the top five and the Patriots we're going to pick in the top five now if they beat the Bills tomorrow night I will possibly I was singing a different tune but I think they're going to be two and four going into a matchup with physical Pittsburgh that's going to be a toss-up type game with their season on the line their schedule down the stretch is softer than it looked like it was going to be dolphins jags rams bills dolphins so they could just get out of there by in week 13 with a shot they might be okay but I just don't like what I'm seeing from Rogers and I think their offense is broken they can't run the ball yeah concern before the season I thought they were going to win the AFC East I thought this group has so much talent all they needed was a healthy adult quarterback I'm not even talking about Aaron Rodgers MVP of a couple years ago right I just mean someone that's sentient someone that's not Zach Wilson literally ruining things or somebody else and it's not just Aaron Rodgers they just don't look right defensive they're still very good but they can't run block all of a sudden for some reason I who knows what the causation or the reality is there their passing game looks clunky and every yard seems like a you know nuclear fusion project it's really really hard for them to do anything on offense I don't think you know a defensive coordinator or defensive coach for another defensive coach fix any of that final one call more concerned about the team that led us here in the Grand Danny radio show program come up to their stadium and put our feet the Cincinnati Bengals who are one in four and have a stretch of the Giants the Browns Philly and Las Vegas coming up in the next few weeks Strangely I'm calm at one in four they dug themselves into a great big hole I was there I saw it but Joe Burrow through for seven trillion yards leads the league and touchdown passes at this point their offense with Jamar Chase on one side and if you try to stop him t Higgins on the other they're going to score points they're going to win some games now preseason people are going this is a 12 13 win team they're not but I think they end up in the postseason despite their terrible start I don't think they make the playoffs because I think their defense is awful they've given up defensively four straight weeks now 26 38 24 to Carolina and 41 41 to Baltimore 38 to Washington and 26 to the Chiefs and sandwiched in there was a get right offensive game for the Panthers for God's sake yeah there's a salt and a quarterback what are we doing here Harry I think they beat the Giants that gets them to two and four then they play the Browns that gets them to three and four the Eagles game is kind of a season definer because if you can get back to four and four Raiders after that maybe you're five and four you've won four straight and then you play the Ravens you're back in the mix you're back let's go have a season but that's a lot of wins I just strung together without any hiccups for a team that just can't stop anybody so I will say that I am concerned based on their record I still think their best football is ahead of them and I love that offense and if you told me right now they made the playoffs I guess it wouldn't shock me but one and four is a massive it's a big hole to dig out of that's just tough you know if they're two and three I'd probably go calm I was fun thank you dad Granny on the fan we're big fans of you double play is next what's going on in our lives nothing to do with sports and at the top of the hour in 20 minutes we got a pair of caps tickets for you for next Thursday night and a belt label it's you you you you great and Danny on the fan we're taking you up to 630 this evening thanks for making the show part of your day week six no yes yes that already happening no week six in the NFL the locals trying to get to five and one there in Baltimore we will get you a preview of what the Ravens are looking like with their health coming up on the beltway blitz headed the battle of the beltways just a few minutes out that's at the top of the hour when we give away those caps tickets time for our double play driven by our local Washington area Honda dealers stopping for a great deal in the rugged and capable Honda pilot contact your local Washington area Honda dealers today puts a pickup hoops last night cheaping our Tuesday night game back at it a few different games so you know a lot of playing eight just to keep everything is everybody rolling and a couple subs and getting some water and dab our faces off with with towels and stuff full court full court four on four we did force yeah it's a it's an elementary school gym that we play in so it's tough for five on five because literally if you're on the if you're on the baseline trying to shoot a three your feet are out of bounds like if you try to shoot from deep you are a foot and a half out of bounds is everyone in good enough shape to run the whole time uh yeah this this group is a pretty good shape i would say wow yeah which is which is good so you know the that's what makes the games worth it for everybody is to be able to come out and run i mean you people like me i have to walk every once in a while if there's a little bit too much back and forth but uh first game i had to cover Jim now Jim's about six three and it's a bigger guy he can move and when Jim is hitting shots from the outside which what he was doing in that first game i'm just getting punished i mean he kicked my butt GP that first game and well maybe maybe the strategy is trying to run Jim around on defense you know what he did he just blocked my shot a couple times so i didn't i didn't tire Jim out at all then Jim did just fine for a couple of games that wasn't a whole lot of fun then as the day progressed everyone got a little tired i got lucky i got really hot at the end of the game or the last game we played um we were down five nothing i took it upon myself uh took that personally Jordan with the ipad style end up four for five out of from three had a pull up jumper in there as well for a total of nine of our team's loving points and close out game to go home and uh you only tell us about your games when you do really well no i told you about the first one i got my ass kicked i was i struggled a little bit early on i'm just gonna get you know i answered i mean i'm just giving you information like it's not important i'm just telling you what happened right that i you know hit four to my five threes though when we're in the house if the nine points out of eleven last night didn't happen uh-huh are we doing this is our double play today possibly possibly not two games like the first who's to say no we played five games okay uh last night maybe six i actually yes i sat one it was six so um i wonder if anybody is is keeping track and doing the stats and has like some chart they're doing because you're kind enough to break down your games for us on the double play regularly the uh the the four on four pickup games that you take part in you're kind enough to give us full analysis of that so we find from a couple weeks ago so you don't have to no no it's a wizard Celtics game um so i wonder if anyone's just keeping tabs on your season stats yeah i get overall the percentages aren't great there's not a lot of great numbers in there because there are games at a time where it's just i couldn't throw it in the ocean but the reason i bring all this up is one to brag with two is you just i'm kidding come on it's just to tell you that i got home on a high because the last game you know competitive like one more let's all finish out strong and i was on fire and it was great it had fun wrote over the bed now played next to you and pickleball i know you get into it i get into it i'm competitive it's i can't just run i need to do and uh have some competitive i wanted to tell my wife so badly about what i had done because she's doing me a favor she's got the kid solo that's the witching hour picking up from practice getting them fed washing everybody with a knee to be washed teeth brush getting a pajamas seven fights everyone yells fourteen times read a book get your butt down answer all the questions get the water retuck in say i love you in good night fifty thousand times right as i'm getting home sweaty and useless i just want to tell you about the game i just played let me just talk from the beginning so start i was covered crack and crank is a real good outfit he gets up and down real good but then i got switched on the jerry a couple times and jerry started covering me so i was covering jerry jerry jerry does he scored but jerry didn't score that much so i'm going all whatever right so she stopped after about four seconds of me trying to explain what happened and put her hand up very gently and said i'm really happy for you i'm going to bed and i realized that's great i realized i'm so annoying and that's my double play i love that though that was my self-realization that oh my god i'm annoying like she's at a point where she's comfortable enough just going dude good for you and i am happy that you're happy i'm happy for you she is happy by the way she's glad that you had a good time she doesn't need to hear about your good time i kind of like that that's the summary i'm happy for you i'm going to bed uh but you hit nine of those 11 points i did in the in the last game where they like all like danny's hot danny's making shots oh don't let danny get going stuff like that couple guys yeah like uh couple i got a couple head shakes from the other team which was nice uh brian who was on my team brian's a real solid player nice guy uh he was kind of like giggling you know they're like oh i got another one that's so funny i'm like yeah whatever it's not a big deal you know just pretending that it wasn't a big deal but it's a big deal my heart i'm happy for you too thank you buddy and i i listened to you but right now i'm telling you i'm gonna go to bed uh it's time for my double play i just want to remind everyone that i thought the joker was terrible i don't think we did enough on that i was reading yesterday basically how it all went sideways supposedly the joker too came to Joaquin phoenix when he was having a dream like the idea for the movie and the way they were going to do it and the character uh disposition and like where they picked up it came to him supposedly in a dream and he called tag phillips who just had like carte blanche to do whatever he wanted and phillips was like all right let's do this i'm like no one checked him the entire time and the more i've thought about it i think you hit it out of the park when you said you can't do a musical without telling people you're doing a musical i need to know when i buy the ticket if i'm singing a musical or i'm not you don't need to tell me everything about the movie there's a couple things i'd like to know before i purchase the ticket am i getting myself into a musical or am i not because i need to get into musical mood do i want to see a musical tonight do i not want to see a musical tonight that movie stunk and the further we get away from it the more annoyed i am by it my initial response was like god that wasn't that good i really didn't like it but whatever it's hard someone will like it i don't know how anyone's gonna like it if you just not that good here is just a quick introduction and a thought for me and i want you to take on this as a movie guy i applaud in general i'm generally like if you ask me on a binary one or zero do you want people to be adventurous make bold choices not just make the same old formulaic thing be original right the original joker was that we've done batman but the original joker was not good yes it was all of those things it was a passive would you agree with that that was not a good movie i well i do think it wasn't a good movie you do yes i think it was overrated i think everybody lost their minds and i think everybody should probably should have calmed down i thought it was fine yeah i'm like fine plus okay yeah but look i think it was all those things yeah well finds for me but also that there is like a ceiling i think with like the dark movie lane that i'm just not gonna when you leave feeling like you just saw something really heavy it does kind of water down the overall grade but my point is whatever you thought of the first movie ooh this one's not that but you see where i'm going right i want people to make bold choices i don't i don't want everyone just to play it safe let's make the same old formulaic crap where chanting tenements up with the lady uh and you know uh the the same superhero we've seen in like an easy relatable situation maybe he loses his powers we've done we've done all the same formula stuff forever now we're remaking things that we're okay you know i mean like we're in this phase so i generally want people to to to be adventurous but then when it sucks i'm like will you just go back to what you know just yeah it's just don't make it a musical without telling anyone you know what i mean like have some checks in balance we don't really have to just do the full dream that Joaquin Phoenix had that time yeah that's enough for that i don't know that we need to do that enough for that beltway blitz next we're giving away caps tickets on the fan 425 one who isn't getting enough credit for the commander's four-in-one start we'll dive into that on grantin danny you you you you you [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] Congrats to the 10th caller to get through at 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The biggest early season game the commanders have played in many, many years, but with the blitz ready to go, we'll cover the Ravens, the commanders and the NFL, so let's get started right now. Nate Davis of USA Today to start us off, Nate Washington, Baltimore might be the most fun game of the weekend, I think, nationally. There's some big storylines now with the Jets firing their coach, Drake May debuting, but the local game is right up there. Yeah, no for sure. I think Ravens commanders and I think Cowboys and Lions, we only two games this week with teams with both of winning records, but I mean, seeing Lamar Jackson against Jay Daniels, who got some Lamar Jackson comparisons prior to the draft, you know, should be, should be fun. One, two, first place names. Nate, Grant, I disagree a little bit about the Ravens. I still think they're good, but a lot of that is based on, you know, track record and the fact that they just, they keep turning this machine all along. They haven't been unbelievable this year, coming off a huge offensive total this past week, obviously, but I guess maybe this is true for a lot of the NFL, but the Ravens are good, right? So, what's the way you were on this argument? So I'm basically saying, I think the Ravens are still really good, Super Bowl contender. They haven't hit their ground running yet, but I still think they're really good and Grant's point is this year, I don't speak for him, but this year they haven't been great yet. So why are we crowning them? I still think they're really good, but it's based a lot on track record. I mean, you know, fundamentally, that I want to agree with Grant on all arguments here, but I get that. I think the Ravens are, you know, as packed in as the league is, and it doesn't appear that there's any real elite power team, I kind of think the Ravens are the one that might have the chance to really break out. And I mean, the way the office puts the last two weeks, I mean, it looks like that, you know, Henry and Jackson really found a way to mess your styles, which I thought was going to be a problem from the quarterback. I think we want to be under center and running back once the line of deep in the eye. But I think they've got scary potential. I'm a little worried, you know, about the defense right now, more so than anything, but I'm I'm given the multiple very ways of how it's going to operate, both from passing and running standpoint. I kind of think that they might be the scariest team in the league. Yeah, I mean, to clarify my stance, I think they're good, not great. Like scariest team in the league, that kind of hype that gets thrown on them. And I'm not knocking you, but like I'm not there yet with them. I watched them blow a game to the Raiders. And, you know, if not for a bot special teams play, they'd be two and three right now. I don't know. I just, I think they're good. I don't think they're like, they're either projecting that I think that they've got maybe more high potential than anybody else. And I think that maybe this was an offensive use a little time to kind of mix in these new parts, including bring your starters on the online. Like I don't think they're there yet, but I think that they have potential to maybe be a little more dominant and more just intimidating team than even Kansas City or Detroit, wherever you like up there at the top. Totally fair. And I also think bringing in Dean Pease to help Zach Orr is going to help a lot actually, which was done today. Something we'll be talking more about in a few minutes here on the blitz extrapolating this thing out beyond the match up this weekend that we care about. What do you make of the Jets firing Salah? Rodgers today said essentially he had nothing to do with it. Do you buy that? Yeah. I've been talking about some colleagues today. You know, Roger's full interview on Maxie. Yeah. I mean, either you're going to take the guy as word or you're not, so it's just kind of a, you know, how do you come down on that one? I mean, I found a way on that is that there was kind of the usual defense. The thing you'll hack is that, you know, we'll get this, you know, figured out. He's the guy. I mean, he did seem pretty open to changes on offense. Again, you know, whether you believe or not, but I mean that that has been kind of the, it was probably going to be the more material narrative you're giving that they're not going to change coaches on staff. It's just over to yesterday that they're willing to change roles and they've got tied down in their passing coordinator for more, and I think most people agree that this offense needs to evolve. So I'm kind of curious how they operate with that moving forward. And it seems like Roger is open to the changes for a team that's got to pick a thing out here in a hurry. Nate Buffalo dropped a couple straight here after a pretty impressive start. What do you see in there? Yeah, you know, I'm seeing a team that maybe got a little, a little overhiked on the initial wins there. And you know, and maybe, you know, that, that, that's the way that the Ravens team rolled in. This is maybe why I've got a little bit of a bend towards Baltimore right now. So, you know, they need to gear back. That's part of it. I mean, they really did a good job at defense up until recently, despite missing a couple guys over there. I mean, Monday night's going to be an interesting limits test for both the Bills and the Jets. You know, when it, when it's going to be in first place, afterward, despite the issues on both sides. And certainly, you know, you got to wonder about Josh Allen. He's had two really poor games here in a row. You know, is that, is that going to be a dark horse team that, that maybe goes after DeMonta Adams as well. Because it really does seem like maybe they do need, need that extra receiver, unless, unless she kills Shaquille or she cures with a guy, which I'm not sure we're ready to really crown him and that, that water sugar one rolling up. Good info. As always, Nate, we appreciate you, buddy. Thank you. Thanks, Nate. Thanks. Be good. Let's dive deeper into Baltimore's three and two team. I got Bobby Trossu covers the Ravens and all things Baltimore sports up in Baltimore. You should check them out on social if you aren't already at Bobby Baltimore. So let's start with this, Bobby. How good are the Ravens in your opinion through five weeks? Oh, still developing. There's, that's still certainly a question. I just saw a second ago, a roquon with meet with reporters and a scrum and he was asked about Jaden and he was quoted for saying he hasn't seen a defense leg hours. Well, I'll tell you what, that's a confident thing to say about a past defense that has been absolutely atrocious and I love roquon. I really do. And who knows? They just brought in Dean Pease to help out the young Zach Orr who's the youngest DC in the league or one of at 32. But I'll tell you guys, I'm sure you've seen some of the highlights and whatnot. It has not been pretty on the back end and it's very similar to two years ago when Mike McDonald was just getting his start after a one year internship at college with Jim in Michigan. Well, what do you think bringing Dean Pease back in to be a second set of eyes actually does? Do you think it's tangible this week? Bobbiers are going to take a few weeks to kind of see his impact. I'm sure the latter, he's already there. The news came out this morning and then he was seen at practice, you know, not long after 75 was in Baltimore as the DC from 12 to 17. If I'm not mistaken, that was before my time when I was here. But the guys got a wealth of knowledge, a ton of different experience. I'm sure Zach's just Rex Ryan's been saying this a lot with his Ravens coverage and I'll lean on him here. I mean, he's coaching out of a book, you know, and I think that sort of lends to what we've been seeing. And he just seems a little, I'm sure he's a little overwhelmed. He didn't have the experience that Mike was able to get, albeit only a year at Michigan. It's hard to simulate, you know, in preseason. It's hard to simulate throughout the off season, especially when you have just an absolute onslaught the way they have the first five weeks, you know, you open in Kansas City with all the emotions and the hangover coming from last January. And then you kind of let that streak into week two and Vegas and Gardner Minshoot just got benched finally, kind of spoils your home opener. And then from there, you go to Dallas and you almost pop up a historic lead. But since then, it's been, you know, all breaks or, you know, all gas, no breaks to quote Robert Salah. And they're starting to find their footing. But defensively, I would not be surprised if it's a shootout, like a lot of many are expecting Sunday. Yeah, I was wondering, is the defensive issue ors? I mean, like, what are the biggest problems and how do they fix them in your opinion to dive deeper into that? Yeah, I always like to kind of make sure that we're paying attention to what happened last year. I mean, it wasn't Philly after their 2022 Super Bowl run. But you know, losing Mike Mack, I think, hurt the fan base a lot and maybe even hurt the building because of how just how much of a whiz kid he was. And I think you saw that with how the league responded to, you know, during the hiring cycle and whatnot. Seattle wasn't the only one that was kind of chasing after him. So that's the headliner, but then from a staffing standpoint underneath him, you know, you lost Anthony Weaver to go be the DC in Miami, Bernard Wilson, who a lot of people think is a future head coach. He goes to Tennessee as a DC. And there's other staff members who lost, not to mention, Genevian Clowney, who had nine and a half sacks out of nowhere, a career year on the other side of 30. You lose Patrick Queen, the middle part of your defense, and Geno Stone, who was somebody that developed and had, you know, seven or eight interceptions last year, that's, that's to be talked about. You know, so as much as we want to kind of point the finger at the young gun, I think there's been just as much of a lack of execution on all three levels, particularly on that back end, which got absolutely torched by Joe burrow and how surgical he is in the pocket, with Jamar Chase and T Higgins kind of as the beneficiary. Let's go to this offense here in, in Baltimore, obviously it's juggernaut. We're familiar with that, we kind of are mirror images of each other here, Bobby, doing the Spider-Man meme at this point with athletic quarterbacks and, you know, playmakers, sort of the different guy every week. What are the strengths right now? I think saying thanks some of their obvious, but what are maybe the relative weaknesses for this Baltimore offense at this point? Boy, in recent weeks, yeah, it's really just, there's been so much focus. They've been putting points up on the board. It's been so much of a focus on the defensive side of the ball that in terms of weaknesses, they haven't reared their ugly head yet. I mean, maybe on the outside, outside is a flowers and Rashad Bateman, you know, where are you going to get your production? But honestly, when you have the deepest tight end room, I would argue in the entire league with Mark Andrews not even coming on yet. I just don't think it's magnified as much your subpar wide receiver room, you know, and like that's where Todd Munken has just used these multiple tight end sets to his advantage. You know, all three Sunday and Cincinnati were involved. I'm talking about Mark Andrews. I'm talking about Isaiah likely and Charlie Kohler, who a lot of people probably don't never even heard of outside of Baltimore, you know, like the all three of these guys, I think, again, it doesn't, the subpar wide receiver room is not magnified as much when you have those three. And I haven't even mentioned, you know, the future Hall of Famer and Derek Henry, who's opened up this offense. I think a lot of us feel in Baltimore that he puts them over the top and, you know, could they have of won that AFC title game last year? Of course, comes down to a couple of plays, but they just give them a dynamic, a blend, a certain level of explosion and obviously like a pick your poison to and since he found that out, you know, all of a sudden through four quarters, they're stuck in the box really well. They're playing Derek really well. I think you have 41 or 42 yards going into overtime finishes with 92 because that's 51 yard first. So that's, that's sort of the pick your poison mentality that they're rolling with right now. Lamar is, uh, is protecting the football, really kind of being the John Stockton of this team, I think, and being a distributor. And for the first time in his career, he's got the, you know, the Sha Shaquille O'Neal do is Kobe Bobby, we appreciate you, bro. Thank you. Of course. Yeah. I can't wait to talk to you on Friday. Grant Danny. Good to hear from you. And have a great week. Got you too, pal. See you, bud. There's Bobby trusset, Bobby Baltimore. I want to check him out on social. All right. Let's keep it moving. Our own Eric Bickle, this brand new upstart program. Look at these guys. I think there are a couple months in now. The sports junk, there's a good formula there. Listen to them in the morning. We're worried about them. So we just, we need to get some people to start listening to them. You know what I mean? They're trying to build momentum. They're just, it's look, it's hard when you start out E.B. How do you break in? It's a grind. It's a grind. What was it? Well, hopefully one day we'll get there. You will. Um, what can we make drab do next week? Dude, that's the grossest thing we've ever done. That was disgusting. I will be honest with you, Danny and I have both not seen it yet. Look, I don't know if that's going to change. I love you guys. I saw the premise. I saw some lead up and I said, okay, that's, I'm pulling the rip court. I'm popping smoke. I can't. I just can't. By the way, I'm changing diapers still and I couldn't do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now what we did, what actually what Valdez and Mike Mar did was reprehensible. What drag did was less bad as far as I'm concerned. If you need any more details than that, go search on old junkie. Yeah, we literally can't say anymore because there are rules that govern that sort of thing. Facebook, I think it's literally between Facebook and Instagram and everything. I think it's got over a hundred thousand views. That does not surprise me. Oh, yeah. People like seeing crazy things done. Speaking of crazy, you got to be feeling pretty good right now, E.B. The locals are not only winning, they're dominating and they're, they're good. Yeah, I guess they're good. I know Jayden's good. I'm willing to go there. I'm willing to get over my skis on Jayden and get like beyond or like, I think actually could be one of the all-time greats. I'm just going to be honest with you. I think you do. All-time greats. Great. Here's why. Here's why. He's like, you have to make the inevitable comparison to RG3 because it's the last quarterback that came on the scene, it burst on the scene, it had a somewhat of a similar style. But Robert was, in a lot of ways, a fraud, right? He was a one trick pony, a little read option, you know, through the plays, run them over and over, took the league by Storm. And if you hadn't gotten hurt, you would have had a nice career. This guy's different. This guy is doing the things that I was in denial of about Robert. This guy's throwing guys open. This guy's anticipating where, you know, where he needs to be and throwing it before they're looking. He's making progressions, he's careful with the football. And then, by the way, if the offensive line, which is way better than anybody ever thought, actually breaks down, he can just take off and, you know, run for 40 if he wants. He's got the work ethic, he's beating the players, he's beating Bobby Wagner there to the facility by an hour, he's at 4 a.m. Like this kid, what does he not have? I guess the only thing he doesn't have is like the body of a Greek god. Other than that, he's got it all. I don't see why he can't be one of the all-time greats. So you were no longer worried though about the frame, because that would be my immediate answer. That's what I'm worried about, man. One of my three big concerns. No, that's a good one. I stipulate to that. Yeah. Okay. I can't argue that other than he, I've already seen strides in him trying to reduce the amount of hits he's taken. I think we've all seen that. So I, listen, I stipulate to that, but that's, that's the weakness. Other than that, I think he's got all the intangibles, he's, he's got the acumen, he's got the, the poise is unreal, the confidence and then the post game humility. This, he's got everything, everything that you could be in control of, right? Can't control your frame. So it is what it is. Now here's the other part of the equation though. So I'm willing to get over my skis and praise him and say, yeah, you know what, this guy's way better than I even thought like he's it. I don't know about the defense though. I'm confused by the defense because in the first two weeks, I thought it was the worst defense I've ever seen. And I've seen a lot of bad ones here. And now all of a sudden they're bucking up and they're, you know, getting pressure from their hands and Frankie Louvoo looks like she's playing like a parses and, you know, a back end is playing, you know, okay enough. So I'm confused. I know Jayden's good. I know our offense is good. I'm just not sure about the defense. How do you see this weekend going against Baltimore? Well, I mean, I think you'd have to be crazy to think that we should go in and win, but we certainly are capable. So I took the Ravens to win it all this year. I think they're incredible. I think what they're doing with Henry and Lamar was brilliant. I don't know how you defend them. I don't know how you stop them. But he's having a heck of a hard time stopping us too. So, you know, maybe it's going to be one of those Bengal situations where we're just going boom, boom, boom, boom, everybody's scoring and, you know, hopefully you're on the right side of it. So I don't know. I mean, I guess I think it's maybe a lot closer than I ever thought it could be to being maybe like a 50/50. Even though the line I think is what, six, six and a half, I think it, I think it could be, I think it could go either way, which I'm actually stunned that I'm articulating those words. You and me both. What an incredible time. Let's see what happens. Chance for five and one. E. B. Thank you, buddy. Thank you guys. Yeah. See you. Good luck with the new show, man. Junks. Yeah, thank you. Every day here on the fan six to 10 a.m. you can listen to E. B. and the boys as they break down the commanders leading up to and after the game right here on your flagship home for the Nats and the caps and more talk about the commanders than anywhere else. Danny, who is not getting enough credit? What is not getting enough credit? For this team's four and one start. We have not hit the phones very much today, so I want to open those up right now on the MGM National Harbor listener lines, eight hundred six three six one oh six seven. We'll get into that next right here on the fan. Thank you. All right. All right. All right. Thank you. And with the commander's four and one. Jaden Daniels getting lots of praise deservedly and Washington's offense number one running game considered elite, there's plenty of flowers being thrown for this team doing something it hadn't done since 2008 through five games has a chance to be five and one for the first time since 1996. But who's not getting enough credit and what about this team do you think isn't getting enough credit? That's the question right now on Grant and Danny. I'll start. These might be a little bit too easy GP, but I'm going for many how number one is Tyler Biotis, a guy that you highlighted throughout the show today and we talked to Will Montgomery earlier. He was great breaking down what he sees from the old line. But the lack of penalties, the how many times have you seen a free rusher and someone going, Oh, I thought you were supposed to block that guy and I was going to block this guy. But oh, we got confused because this guy went this way. They're on the same page, especially with the rookie quarterback. Exactly. They're back three new starters, really four on the offensive line. I mean, give or take right at times when you added in the fact that Coleman and Lucas are splitting, but they all of a sudden look like a cohesive group that's played together for a decade and everyone seems to on the same page. He's not only, you know, he was brought in to be a stabilizer, not necessarily a pro baller, but that's how he's playing at this point. To me, I mean, I'm not great in every center around the league at the stage, but here's what I know. They don't get penalized very much. The holes of the run game are there. Nobody's run and unblocked to Jaden Daniels and the rare times that they leave someone on a counter for Daniels goes for 35 around his butt. So give me Tyler Beatrice as an unsung hero. I think that's a really good one. I'm going to go with, I think special teams in general has mostly been a strength for them and has been very quietly something that again, not batting a thousand, they had a couple of penalties in a game and a kickoff return for a touchdown brought back. But Echler, last time I checked was leading the NFL and kick return average. They have done a really good job there. I thought a Lamadeza Kias this past week as a punt returner was legit great, routinely 10, 12, 15 yards he was getting on punt returns. Since the first week of the season, a loss and a bad loss, they have not missed an extra point or a field goal. That's huge. Tresway is kicking bombs very rarely punting, but when he is punted, he has been very good. Echler yesterday, when we had him on the show, accentuated the kickoff coverage unit, which is one of the most physical thumps at a level that very few around the league do. I think that they've been pretty good on punt coverage. I don't really remember anything being ripped off against way or the punt team. I'm not going to sit here and say it's a, you know, a plus, but it's pretty close since week one, I would say. And it's at least, you know, maybe in that V plus a minus range for the season. And sometimes those hidden yards you never think about. You gain 15. So instead of first and 10 at the 15, it's 30, you know, you don't get a penalty to take you half the distance to the goal and you start your drive at the 29 yard line. Those things add up. And I think that they're going in their favor way more often than they have in the past on son heroes. You touched on one of the names. I'm going to, I'm going to do sort of a three is one here. Long as the case, Luke McCaffrey, no Brown, really all at fourth in Diami Brown. Now this is not a statistical production kudos because you add their numbers together. They equal a wide receiver that is the way I'm used to doing it. The way the rest of the league does it, right? You got a number one and number two, you get about 30 catches and, you know, 300 400 yards out of those guys at this point, right? They're not doing it that way. What they are doing is having guys complete their responsibilities. So any given play, you got it's something different to do and the blocking. We highlighted this play on Monday. Austin Echler highlighted it yesterday on the run that Echler rips off where he fumbles Zacchaeus is out of the play. He carries out a play fake to the opposite side of the field out runs 15 different people to slide in there and retain possession. Now Washington wins the game regardless. They were better that at worst would have acted as a great punt, right? Like as a, you know, an arm punt kind of a thing except it was via a rip off run from from Echler. But Zacchaeus hustles his butt down there. Oftentimes you do that. That's thankless. Well, the one time you need to do it, he does it, recovers that fumble. That unselfish receiver play in terms of blocking and completing assignments and then doing everything you possibly can every play is part of the reason why they're running it so damn well, especially when they go outside and there was unsung kind of, you know, on to the radar plays are massive couple guys on defense that I think have been mostly good. I remember a week or two into the season. There was this narrative that Bobby Wagner had lost a step and he's not as fast as he once was. I think that's probably clear. You're not going to be at his age when you've tackled as many guys and had as many collisions as he has. But I do think Bobby Wagner's played really well as the defense has improved the last couple of weeks. He's got six tackles for long, six, nobody else on the team has more than two. That's a boatload. You're talking about him, you know, from Mike linebacker to be on pace for like 25 tackles for loss over the course of a season, it's pretty insane. The other guy I would call out defensively that I haven't heard mentioned basically at all this year, who I think has flashed a ton is Quan Martin and he got banged up. We'll have to see what his status is moving forward, what the injury report looks like for him. But Quan Martin, to me, is really settling in as a very solid long term building block in his role defensively where he essentially serves now as like a second safety. But really it's just positionless DB football where he covers he's in the nickel occasionally and dime. He's matching up with somebody they're playing zone and bring him down in the box from time to time. I think Quan Martin's been much better maybe than people think so far. He be doing Armstrong. Now this is what would he people a lot of times when it comes to pass freshers or otherwise will oftentimes focus on what somebody is not. He is not von Miller in his prime. He is not Michael Parsons. He's not a guy. We just saw this. We didn't do much, but he's not Miles Garrett. Very few of those guys are it's a little bit more workman like he's not going to win every time and disrupt the play. You don't always see him coming. You don't always see him constantly beating a tackle, but he's on 11 sack pace. Part of that is because they're playing good team defense. Part of that is they got leads and guys are throwing. Part of that is, you know, just by being around, you'll end up touching the quarterback in a stubble field style, but 11 sacks is 11 sacks. You know what I mean? It's not something that happens all the time around here. So it's again, it's not always the flash play, the sack fumble, the game changer type stuff, but whisper quiet is on pace for an 11 sex season. Who or what is not getting enough credit for the commander's four in one start to the season. Let's go to Lorton where Bill is. What's up, buddy? How are you? How you doing, Brian? How you doing, Danny? How about it? I've got a couple of that sensational Jayden Daniels. I got the offensive line with the job they do and running the ball of protecting Jayden and Kingsbury doing a heck of a job that's not getting all that much free. Appreciate you. Is it possible to say Cliff Kingsbury is being underappreciated? Yes. Because we've been throwing Kingsbury parties, it feels like every Monday, but I do think nationally, you do not hear that to the same extent. You hear Jayden Daniels, Jayden Daniels, Jayden Daniels, and I'm not suggesting he's not the biggest piece to the puzzle. But Cliff Kingsbury is making life easier on Daniels, just like Daniels helping Cliff Kingsbury. I got two sneaky names and that relates to what the caller just brought up. How about Bobby Johnson? The only name among those coaching staffs that's being assembled over the summertime when the coaching tournament happened, I guess in the spring, where people are going, "Really? Bobby Johnson from the Giants? Where they can't block anybody?" That offensive line's been pretty damn good and we sort of forgot that that was the dude. A little bit maligned has come in there and got a group going really well. And also to Kingsbury as it relates, how about Anthony Lynn in terms of a running game guy? Anthony Lynn is a head coach, I think left something to be desired. Anthony Lynn maybe is an overall offensive mind incorporating passing concepts as a guy that understands running games and points of attack. Combining out with Kingsbury's sort of horizontal raid, you got something pretty effective going on. Well, Echler told us in the off season that one of the main reasons he decided to sign with Washington was to reunite with Anthony Lynn. So even if since the season started, he hasn't been overly as involved, which is not the case. Brandon of itself to me is a gigantic victory to have added Echler has been one of their best, most explosive, unique pieces that they've got offensively. But yeah, he also has helped him to design that running game. I mean, you could throw a lot of praise in that regard on any of the offensive coaches probably. Like you're right about Bobby Johnson. I remember thinking that made no sense and why on earth are they intrigued by this guy. But they kept to beat a pitcher to round as their quarterbacks coach. I would say that's gone pretty well. They brought in Brian Johnson, who was the OC and play caller for the Eagles, who in Philly, they ran out of town last year to be their pass game coordinator. I would say for the most part, that's gone pretty well in terms of what you'd imagine is his purview. We've talked about Kingsbury, but you know, I'm not sure exactly what the role is for David Blau, who's the assistant quarterbacks coach, but I would say so far so good for him. I mean, if you were on that side of the ball leading meetings, you put that on your resume with the big asterisk. Big star. Most points, this is the offense nobody wants to play right now. True is in Graysonville, who's not getting enough credit for the four and one start. Well, I think we missed the obvious Martin Mayhew, but I'll put that aside. Good point. Thank you. Martin Mayhew is a good answer. He's here still here. You know, what else? Marty Herney. Marty Herney, everybody. Still on the payroll. Marty party. But, but, you know, not all joking aside, I think the coaches in general are getting enough credit because the team is playing better than the sum of its parts. We're getting more out of the 53 than the individual players. You know, Jayden, aside, you know, there was that play that equiran 30 yards, but then fumbles. And then, you know, OZ was there to recover that fumble. He came from the other side of the field and he just kept going. Yeah. Right. You're right. That's a hustle thing. That's based on basically taking over the identity that's preached all week. Yeah. Right. I think that's as much to do with our wing street as anything else. And I can't wait to go in there and put it to Baltimore. Thanks, buddy. It's not just Zacchaeus, by the way. That is kind of what they do. Watch Johnny Newton chase plays down from the tackle. Watch the hustle and the in play grind, but the ability of Allegretti because he was trying to get there to help out grabbing a fumble of Zach hurts in the Cincinnati game that saved their bacon. They would have lost that game. Yep. That would have been a loss if Allegretti is not there to make a pretty athletic scoop, but doing the same thing basically as the Kias was doing, which is just the thing that no one's ever going to notice, but it's the right thing to do. Yep. And it is clearly something that in this locker room isn't just one guy doing it. It's the expectation. It's the norm. You could say that that's coaching, which I think it is. I also think it's picking players that come in here that do things the right way and that's an on a Peter's. That's a Lance Newmark who we haven't mentioned, you know, that old front office, that idea of he's a commander, we're giving him the commander tag, the label, the sticker, whatever it was, like he does things the way we want them done. I think that's what they were talking about. Absolutely. It's easy to say. It's easy to say. We'll fight the ball. We'll hustle. We'll do whatever we play and then come on, not every time they're doing it every time. A foreign one, we're having a party for the same few guys, it seems like every day and they deserve it. But who else should get some shine here for an amazing start? That's the question on Grant and Danny. Steve Maryucci is going to be on the show, the former NFL head coach in about an hour and 20 minutes at six right here on the fan. [BLANK_AUDIO] Taking you up to 6.30 on this Wednesday, Grant and Danny on the fan. Steve Maryucci joins the show in about an hour and 15 minutes. He have NFL network fame, the former head coach in the National Football League looking forward to catching up with him. The commanders when they started the year, by the way, expected to win six and a half games, according to the odds makers, now Danny, nine and a half wins, up three already. And it's hard to see even, okay, so they're going to go five and seven the rest of the way. Is that what this feels like? I mean, again, the bottom could fall out anytime, the league could figure you out, whatever. I mean, a million things happen. Guys, teams have gotten off to great starts. Look at Cliff Kingsbury's Arizona Cardinals a couple of years ago, where they were the talk of the league and basically, you know, limped into the wildcard round where they got boat raced. I mean, stuff happens. Right? The Eagles last year collapsed. I guess I'm just saying the way that they're building, because each week, it's almost more impressive, right? Cleveland. Again, I keep going back to this. I tweeted this out. I'm at funny Danny Grant at Greenwich Polson. I thought Cleveland's defense was good. I don't mean like I thought they were good losers. No, I thought Cleveland's defense this past Sunday was impressive. Attacking downhill, tackles for loss disruptive and Washington still scored 24 points in the first half. They turned Washington over ahead, but multiple opportunities to turnovers. And again, Washington had they felt like it could have scored 50 points in that game. Each week is a build on something else that we've already seen. It's great. I thought the first couple drives, they were pretty good. After that, I didn't see the same production, but you start chasing the game a little bit and Daniels made some off schedule plays that made life really difficult. The question for you guys is who's not getting enough credit for the four and one commanders at this point. Our buddy, tailgate Ted said, about Ron Rivera, let's give him some credit. If it wasn't such a disaster last year, maybe they wouldn't have been in such a good position in the draft where you take Daniels, rest of their picks early in rounds. Of course, because it was so bad so quickly last season, he didn't say this, but I'll add to this, the ownership group basically brought in Eugene Shen, did a little research on the, the upcoming trade deadline and said, Ron, we're going to go ahead and trade your defensive end. So just buckle up buttercup, just so you know, you're going to be coach in Casey to Hill the rest of the way. And they went and got draft picks and loaded up so that they could be more appetizing and appealing to the front office executives that we're going to be interviewing with them. You got to send me my ringy real ago, which along those lines, this ownership group, I don't think it's getting enough credit here you go because you don't see it one to four on Sunday, but the difference is massive. The only tangible thing I'd say that the legitimate like, Oh, that definitely helped them on the field as a direct connection that we could see was when they stayed out West against the Cardinals and you just shelled out a bunch of money. So they got some more sleep and some more rest and some more guys healed faster and you didn't have to go back and forth, traveling the way that matters so much. That was a very tangible thing. The rest of the stuff we don't really. Yeah, it's unsexy. I mean, when you go to the park, you can see the field that was never fixed. That's been fixed now. That's like an indirect. Did it help? Yeah, but that's not right. You know, does that mean you're going to win a game because you got to practice an extra day on a better field? I don't know. There were a billion complaints during Snyder time and you had to go down a long list to get to this one, but this was always one of my themes of that group. If you couldn't see it, they weren't spending on it. Right? If it wasn't something that he could parade around and go, look at my trophy. Look at the fact that I just spent $100 million on Albert Haynesworth. Look at what I just said. Look what I just did. When you didn't see it tangibly, they weren't going to spend on it. The bad facility. They wouldn't get Carlos Rogers's eyes checked, but at least that was the urban legend. Stuff like that. It was never, if it wasn't sexy, they weren't going to shell out the dough for it. And that's, you know, what loser organizations do. Bobby's in love. It's Phil on Grant and Danny. What's up, Bobby? How are you? What's up, boys? Doing great. Thank you. Thanks for the great show. My name is Brian Home every day. Got it, bro. Thank you. Yeah, man. Absolutely. So I've actually got two. A quick one, Mathis. I'm glad he finally had a good game. He looked wonderful against Cleveland. But my main call is Luke McCaffrey. No, he doesn't have the production yet, but his blocking is so good and he's been open a lot. So him and his route running must be really good. And the fans are so ready for him. Every time he touches the ball, Luke, you know, it's so awesome. So I'm excited for him. And finally, I want to give a shout out to Pat Fisher, Rest in Peace, one of the greatest cornerbacks ever to play through here. Yeah. One of the hardest hitters in team history, we were talking about him on the show yesterday, but if you're my age or Danny's age, about a 10 year gap, he was your parents' favorite player. Yeah. You know, he was that kind of guy defensively. So well said, on Luke McCaffrey, I will stamp everything you just said with approval, man. Go retweet, he is so willing and so physical as a blocker. He is just such an unselfish guy. He does all that dirty work. We were trying to find a comp clear yesterday or a couple of days ago was like, who do you comp him to? And I was like, you know, as a receiver, I think there's a lot more in the tank that we haven't seen. But in terms of the style he brings and the physicality and his willingness, like, like Heinz Ward, almost now he was a great receiver, French Hall of Famer. I don't know the deliver be that we'll see, but he was also a great blocker. I'm like, Luke McCaffrey is just willing. What do you want me to do, coach? The guy was a quarterback, then he was a wide receiver. He took some snaps in training camp at running back. He could do whatever he's an athlete. I love Luke McCaffrey. He will be on the show tomorrow at four o'clock, by the way. Yeah. I'm Luke McCaffrey guy in. I don't know what the ceiling is as a receiver. I don't. I think there's a ton in the tank. I think it's a massively high ceiling. He's been what does that look like? Just out of curiosity. Let's play that out. I think he could be like it. Depends what their offense is. If this is their offense moving forward forever, I don't think any receivers ever really going to be great because, you know, look at the Ravens as an example, a little more point guard than it is. Yes, a lot of the scrambles that we love or should have been throws or could have been throws, right? A lot of the big gains are going to come from tight ends and running backs in the screen game or whatever. So I don't know. I mean, in a, I'll say this, I think if, if he was like on the Rams. There you go. I was going to say, do the field exercise in your league average offense. What is it? If like with Cooper cup and Pukka Nikko, it like, I think there's years where he could go catch 60 balls for, you know, 700 yards or he could be a 70 catch, 1000 yard guy in the right situation. Eventually. I don't think he's there yet. I know that he runs good routes. I know that he gets wide open. He's got an incredible feel against zone to just throttle it down. I bet on bloodlines, the McCaffrey thing, his dad was a Hall of Fame type. Tight and wide receiver, rather, his brothers, a Hall of Fame running back. I, I believe in the player. I think there's a huge ceiling there. He's been a receiver for like three hours. That's pretty good on the best offense in the NFL. Yeah. I mean, to me, the, the thing that I like early is the physicality part, right? Where he's a willing and engaging blocker. He's helpful in that regard and we haven't seen kind of that down field. Let's go get it. I don't know that we're going to just because that may not be his role at this point, but that intermediate to short, he's thriving. As you kind of pointed out there, let him middle of the field type stuff, which is essential to keep people honest. Bill Belichick was on TV yesterday. He was asked how he would defend Jaden Daniels. I think you guys are really, really going to want to hear this also. I've got something pickleball related to tell Danny about that is pretty wacky. That's next on GND on the fan. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] As was the case with Washington's defense early in the season, there are times in life where we see our loved ones struggle occasionally, especially as they get older, the exclusive sponsor of our show, the law firm, Condorian Murad, will guide you through the process of managing a health care or financial power of attorney, even securing guardianship. For a family member, schedule a free consultation with their elder law on estate planning and attorneys today, go to kmloyers.com, be sure to tell them we sent you, that's kmloyers.com. We'll get back to the commanders in the Ravens game coming up on Sunday at one o'clock in just a few. I also want to play a clip for you in a minute as to what Bill Belichick said he would do to try to defend the indefensible to this point, Jaden Daniels, because I thought that was great audio. So we'll do that. Two things first though, number one, I've been scouring the internet to find this all day. I saw it while scrolling last night, I kind of laughed at it and thought I'd bring it up to you, didn't know if it would be on air or off air, but I keep forgetting so it's going to be on air. There's nothing funny about what's going on in Florida to be clear. There's nothing funny about it. Terrible storm, our thoughts, our prayers with everybody, hopefully those that needed to evacuate did sounds like it's going to be a brutal storm in the evening and throughout the rest of the day and on and tomorrow. But there was this clip I saw and I'm assuming it was real, I guess it's possible I got deep faked on the internet. Like Anderson Cooper was interviewing a lady and he was asking her like, what are you bringing with you? How do you even decide when you're packing up your house? And she said, I'm just going to bring some clothes in my pickleball racket. Did you really? The tone of her answer was hysterical. Like she was very sad and she was like, I'm going to pack some clothes and my pickleball racket. And I saw it and I meant to send it to you and I didn't and now I can't find it anywhere. So there's like a 37% chance it was like a deep internet. But it was somebody's AI bit. Yeah. But it looked pretty real, I will say. It did not look like a fake, but it was the latest evidence I'd say that people need their pickleball. That was going to be what she used for her mental health. Well, you find the paddle that you like? You don't want to relinquish it. I mean, I think about this. Is it a racket or a paddle? It's a paddle. What's the difference? It's for tennis or for a racquetball? But I mean, actually, is it, you know, racket is open, like water goes through it where your paddle is solid? I'm sure there's a technical difference and I'm not aware of. Okay. But like this to me, the pickleball paddle is a cousin of an actual ping-pong paddle. You never call it a ping-pong racket, right? You know it's a paddle. So paddle, I think would be solid flat. It sounds right to me. Impenetrable racket, you like put your fingers through it. You can aerate a little bit, yeah. But you get it wrapped the right way, you get the balance on them and I've got my, there's different spots where you can put your lead, your lead, you know, tape weight, right? To change the sweet spot of the paddle. So I do the, I do the, on top of my Ruby six zero, right? For a little bit more power because that's a control paddle. Whereas before I had the YOLA G, you know, gen one, I wanted it to bottom for more control. So you're always trying to find that balance. If there's a fire, I'm going to make sure my family's okay, but I'm going to get my Ruby six zero out of there. Is your current paddle, the paddle you'll have in three years? No. Oh, why is that? Oh, it'll wear out. I plan on that exact one, but that model or are you still climbing? Like have you gotten the nicest one on the market? Or are you still like, well, I don't need the nicest paddle. So I'll get a good one that's not. Oh, we're not in the, I don't need the nicest paddle phase. That's, well, that's a long time ago. So you have the nicest paddle? No, I have a paddle that's right for me. So in other words, there are more expensive paddles than what I have. But I, I mean, I tested a million different things. How much does a paddle cost of high, the highest level ones can be three hundred bucks. I mean, that's outrageous. Give or take. So if I'm just going to go play once a week with other guys that don't play at all, what should I spend on the paddle? You could like, are you, like, do you have any goals of ever like play to this hypothetical? Of course not. It's so recreational. It just doesn't matter. Yeah. Whatever you do is not what I do. Right. No, I want to just go out there. I don't. Yeah. I want to sweat and play pickleball against guys that don't play pickleball. Yeah. I would say high end is probably $65, $70, 80 bucks maybe for a decent one that'll last you for a while. And the nicest one you can buy if you're on the tour is 300. Yeah. Or sometimes north of that. Okay. What does Danny, who they have? So my YOLA is a, is a three hundred dollar paddle. I'm going to add some. My Ruby six zero, I think it was one seventy nine with a 10% discount code. That's the new one or? Yeah. That's the one I have now. Oh, so you downgraded a little bit. Because the, the paddle that I needed, just as we talk about my pickleball game a lot is you and I, obviously this is like what people tune in to listen for. Yeah. Like I was too power based. Like I'm going to supply the power. I was trying to over hit and bully people and go through everything. I'm going to pull your wife and just stop you while you're ahead. Almost done. You play against high level players. So you have to pass the control to pickleball paddles for $500. Well, when you put it that way, it sounds ridiculous. I mean, it's, but like how much money have you spent on this hobby? Again, you pickle balls, well, yeah, of course I do. So I can play. I mean, it's just, I would think it'd be one of the cheapest sports you could play. You just need a paddle and a ball. Well, you also need a court to play on and a net and stuff like that. I mean, but yeah, so it's a lot because I put a court at my house also, but like the point is so it's not just a couple hundred bucks that I'm in. I've, I've been a little bit deeper than that. Yeah. I mean, your infatuation with pickleball. Show me your taxes. My wife been texting you. She is not. I, I wasn't even thinking about the court. That, that even makes it funnier than I'm like, Danny, you spent $300 on a racket. Yeah. It's a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the time. He said to the guy who built a court in his backyard so that I could play. It's a, it's a, it's a love. It's a passion. Mm hmm. It's incredible. Good. It's easy to play with you. I've seen it now. Yeah. It's easy to play. Anybody can pick it up and start playing, but it's really hard to be great at and that's the beauty of it. Like it's a lower barrier eventually than like a golf or ever where you got to spend a million bucks and then you stink for nine years until you get like the right lesson and then you shoot a hundred and four and you're supposed to be happy. No, no, it's easy. Well, this clip, if it was real, was just an all-timer because this woman standing there and Anderson Cooper's asking like, how do you decide what you bring with you? What you're putting in that suitcase as you're getting in your car, not knowing what you come back to. And she's like, I'm taking clothes in my pickle ball bat, not a racket, a paddle. Five years ago today, where were you? Five years ago today, October 10th or 9th, I guess, 2024, I'll tell you where I was. I was living in Kingstown at a townhouse with my wife and our brand new baby. And I was the only one to wake downstairs and I started screaming at the top of my lungs because Howie Kendrick at a grand slam to help the Nationals beat the Dodgers in game five of the division series. As I'm watching these playoff games, like the rest of you are, I'm longing for playoff baseball and I'm increasingly more annoyed, frustrated and devastated that the nats haven't been back in the playoffs since 2019, but we've got an anniversary today, my friend. The division series, the fifth game, it's five years ago, man, and the grand slam and the 10th inning by Howie Kendrick against the Dodgers. I'll field shades right infield in all the way around to her and see her on the left side. Hernandez and Muncie on the right. Kelly's one strike pitch. So we got a fly ball center field deep, Bellinger going back to the warning track to the wall It's a grand slam. First of all, a plus second of all, let me take you back if you don't mind. Number nine, Enrique Hernandez, who destroys the Nationals, thank God they kept him in the yard, base it to left field and one out will Smith up at bat, sitting on a pitch. He drills a ball to right field deep. Adam Eaton is sprinting back towards the one and track towards the wall. The Dodger bench empties onto the field arms raised. We got it. We just did it. We just beat them. We're going to the NLCS. Adam Eaton touches the wall. He taps it in, catches it, delivers it back in the infield. Everybody goes back quietly. I thought it was over right then. Next batter, Chris Taylor hits a ball, 247,000 miles an hour to dead center field right at Michael A. Taylor. We go to the 10th Adam Eaton works a walk off Joe Kelly, Anthony Rendon, of course, hits an absolute piss missile to left field that would have gone out if it had any air on it at all. But it didn't. Yeah. Doubled off the bottom of the wall. It's so to intentionally walk. You don't want to mess with one subtle how Kendrick bases drunk. Nobody out. I'm going. If there's ever a time, if there's ever a time how we Kendrick who struggled in the series was putting balls around in the field like he'd never put a glove on before. Why not? How we Kendrick, the veteran used to play in LA swings at a first pitch slider, rolls over a ground ball, found going, Oh my God, he's going to hit into a double play. This is the worst case scenario. What are we doing? Fast ball down and then off the plate, lower below his knees. He gets it out to center field. I'm going, okay, maybe it's deep enough for a sack fly. There's Freddie Prince Jr, AK Cody Belanger, turning back on his horse running backwards. Disbelief gives way to joy. I have never as a sports fan screamed that loud in my life. That's the moment to me that everything changed. I rewatched that eighth, ninth and tenth inning, you know, in spurts with Clary today before the show, because the eighth inning people sleep, Washington was down by two runs three to one and so many times in the past in October, you've had your heart broken as a Nat fan and as a DC sports fan, because the team just didn't come up with hits, didn't come up with runs, couldn't score. And in that situation down three to one, Anthony Rendon, it's a home run off Clayton Kershaw to lead off the inning. And then the next pitch, Juan Soto at 20 years old, crushes the ball, complete no doubt her to right center field to tie the game three to three. Kershaw drops down onto his knees in disbelief and despair on the mound, staring at the ground because once again, this future Hall of Famer who at that time had no positive recollections and playoff baseball had been gotten. They immediately come out and get them. Dave Roberts yanks the ball out of his hand. Kershaw goes and every other shot, the rest of the game was Kershaw staring on in disbelief after the can just feel like man facing in the dugout three to three back to back home runs. Then they go to the ninth. You referenced what happened when the Dodgers almost walked it off. And then in the 10th, the inning that led to the Kendrick Grand Slam change in the world. But you know, for me that the hit against the Brewers was kind of my reckoning that this is different, that this thing can actually happen. But that's when you knew they're a buzz saw. They are a juggernaut. Yeah. This was the one to me. Magical carpet ride. They had been the, the, the hitting against the Brewers was amazing. I'm not knocking it, but we're, we're comparing like epic moments, you know, like, so it's we're living in our own Mount Rushmore here. That was to get to where they'd been. And they got to that place again where there's a winner take all game. And you just have that pit in your stomach where you're going, is it going to happen again? Are we going to get Dodger it again? Totally. Here's my argument though. The feeling being in the ballpark that I had had so many times before in the Cubs series, in the Cardinal series in a game five, certainly. And namely the worst was the Dodger series previously that feeling of being in the ballpark all night waiting for the big hit, the giant series I would throw in there from way back and 14 and the hit never came. It's like being on a deserted island thinking every time that the airplane light is flying overhead, that maybe this one's going to see. Maybe once this helicopter is going to stop and hover and go, Oh my God, they saw me. And every time you're going, he might get a hit. No, he might get a hit. You do that for nine innings and then you score once and you lose, right? That's what happened year after year after year. And the Milwaukee game, the same vibe, same feel and they punch through with that inning and it's bedlam in the ballpark at home. So that's why I put that one like higher for me, but it doesn't change the fact that my screams again, baby upstairs, wife asleep and my wife knew what it happened. So that wasn't like she was upset, but screaming at the top of my lungs. In fact, Clairey showed us a video today of him at his house. His dad's in the living room. He's laying in his own bed. He didn't want to watch the game of his dad for some reason, which is odd. We'll cover that another time. But he starts screaming in a way that you would have thought someone was stabbing him. I mean, and he's running around his house. It's a great video. It's a great video. We try to pull the audio, but it's it's on Snapchat from like eight updates ago. So yeah, it's it's tough and I actually, I convinced myself during that postseason run that when the nationals were on the road, we would only win if I was watching the game in my bedroom. Makes sense. It covers up. Yeah. We won. It was great. So that's why your dad, because on the video, you can hear your dad like in the other room going, come on, get a hit, howie, exactly, get hit. And Clairey, a little Clairey is sitting this 19 year old, probably Ryan, Clairey. Yep. Yeah, 19 years old then, uh, laying in his bed, watching the game and then you jump up, screaming and run out to the room. This is a big gap. Like, like as soon as how he made contact and I knew off the bat that it was gone and my life changed five years ago today, five years, man. Andrew's in Stafford. What's up, Andrew? Andrew, you will get nothing. Andrew and you will like it. Disappointing very much. So I wonder how that happens because he's still on the phone. Uh huh. So like, what is he hearing when we go to him and so I was wondering about that. Sometimes I actually spoke to somebody who said they called us once and something was happening in their life at that moment. So they hit mute and then they forgot that they'd muted themselves and they're sitting and they're going, Hey guys, they're taking my call and we're not responding and nothing happens. And then it's over. That already hates us. One of the two. It could be that. It could be these like, I like them enough to call them, but I give them the silentree because I hate their guts. The question on the call screener that made me want to pick it up before we moved on was he wanted to ask, did you scream louder after the howie home runner after the Coosie goal? Howie home run and because the Coosie goal wasn't instantaneous in terms of viewing. So if you remember it, you couldn't see the puck live. Now people right behind the goalie at Pittsburgh saw it and they headed for the exits. He went five hole. You're right. And it was kind of like, uh, he started reacting like skating off, but it was not an easy it beat him moment. Yeah. So there's a delay and you're sitting there going, Did he like so what happened was my buddy who I watched these games with goes, he saved it. And I said, no, he didn't. And then we're sort of sitting there and disbelief and we all hugged and went nuts, but that instantaneous, I'm thinking it's a sack fly and you can see the ball and it's beyond the wall. Yeah. That primal euphoric scream I haven't had the grand slam is also there's something about that. Yes, there gives you a little more juice. It's hard to say my reaction for Coosie was wilder. I ran around. I was hugging people. I was kind of squealing. I would describe it as I was definitely screaming. I laughed a lot. Like, you know what I mean? I just sort of was like nervously cackling for how we I was by myself, which is different. And I was top of my lungs yelling. So I probably screamed louder for how we, but my reaction was more like if it's on camera for both better for Coosie, if that makes sense. That was this like finally. That I just sent down to just relief in the drink. John's in Arlington. Hello, John. Hey, boys. How you doing? Good man. Good. I was just calling to thinking about the how we Kendrick anniversary and how prolific that playoff run was at that time my wife and I were expecting our first child and we were told back and forth about what to name him and we decided on how he no way because of all because of how he Kendrick gets he'll show why and say it wasn't, but we all know the truth. So how he is five now, baby, how he's five or almost. Yeah. Well, he yeah, he's almost he was born in May of 2020. So he she was just, you know, growing him at that time, gotcha. So four year old, you got to watch with howie with howie. I know. Yeah, he'll go. He'll be pumped. So there's still there's still debate. Howie, and then it's like fly ball to right field. If it's fair, it's gone, boom. That kids howie. Yeah. Part two, for sure. This was Bill Belichick on how he would defend Jaden Daniels on television yesterday on ESPN. Yeah, he's had a great start to the season. It's been fantastic. And you know, he handled the Browns defense with, you know, coach sports, you know, well, but but this flight right here is what you can't let him do is get out of the pocket in an extend place. He can run. And when he gets out and has clear vision, he can throw the ball, make all the throws down the field. So the best way to defend him, I think, is to keep him in the pocket. That's easier said than done, but he's a very explosive athlete and can kill you with his legs. And if he has time and space, he can get outside and, you know, like I said, find some space out there and, you know, find open receivers. So he did a good job against Cleveland and that's not a bad defense. So we'll see what happens this week against the Ravens, you know, across town rivalry there. But, you know, James had a tremendous start to his career and they're playing well, Cliff's running the ball probably a little bit more than he did when he was at Arizona. And as every quarterback knows, nothing helps the passing game, more in a good running game. I want to get into his idea of how to stop Daniels by keeping him in the pocket because it seems almost like common sense, but it's way easier to say it than to actually do it. You guys think that's going to start happening? Are teams going to be able to do that? And do we expect an adjustment to come that really knocks Daniels in this offense down a peg? Early in the year we were saying, you know, that the bottom will fall out, the adjustment is coming. There's going to be a moment where Daniels and Kingsbury kind of hit a wall and then they've got to make their own adjustment. Do we still think that that is inevitable? And do we think that it is imminent, you know, happening here shortly? Let's get into that next on GND. I think that is going to be a good chance to be able to have a chance to be able to do that. I think that is going to be a good chance to be able to do that. I think that's going to be a good chance to be able to do that. I think that's going to be a good chance to be able to do that. I think that's going to be a good chance to be able to do that. I think that's going to be a good chance to be able to do that. But I think that's going to be a good chance to be able to do that. I think that's going to be a good chance to be able to do that. I think that's going to be a good chance to be able to do that. I think that's going to be a good chance to be able to do that. I think that's going to be a good chance to be able to do that. Yeah, he's had a great start to the season. It's been fantastic. He handled the Browns defense with coach Swartz well. This play right here is what you can't let him do is get out of the pocket and extend plays. He can run and when he gets out and has clear vision, he can throw the ball. He can make all the throws down the field. The best way to defend him, I think, is to keep him in the pocket. That's easier said than done, but he's a very explosive athlete and can kill you with his legs. If he has time and space, he can get outside and, like I said, find some space out there and find open receivers. But he did a good job against Cleveland and that's not a bad defense. We'll see what happens this week against the Ravens, a cross-down rivalry there. You know, Jaden's had a tremendous start to his career and they're playing well, Cliffs running the ball probably a little bit more than he did when he was at Arizona. And as every quarterback knows, nothing helps to pass a game, more in a good running game. That is Hall of Famer, Bill Belichick, arguably the greatest coach of all time, certainly one of the best defensive thinkers in the history of the National Football League on how he would defend Jaden Daniels. Welcome back. And Danny on the fan, do you think an adjustment to this Washington offense is looming? Is it imminent that somebody, I don't mean for one week, that's inevitable. That's obvious, but that someone's going to crack the code and everyone else is going to do it where you just keep him in the pocket and you beat him that way or you take one of the superpowers away, whether it is the scrambling by spying him. We have not really seen anybody play man against them yet. And maybe that could be a way to do it. If you feel good about pressing and bumping and playing man, especially opposite Terry McClellan and you spy if you do that. And then you feel like maybe you keep him in the pocket that way because that was the first few weeks of the season, the big conversation everyone was having is the adjustment from the league is coming. Well, not yet. Where is it? It seems like it's only a matter of time, Danny and Belichick seems to have something that he would kind of harp on in the week leading up to a game against his team this weekend. It's just easier said than done. Yeah, it definitely is. Now it requires a lot of discipline requires, you know, great athletes and understanding that it's not going to work every time, even with your great plan, right? When you play against great players, that's adorable. You have a plan. Can your spies keep up with the March accent? No, nobody can, right? But you know, you keep trying to crash that wave on the shore in hopes that, you know, enough positive stuff happens on your side of things. Belichick to me, like if I bowled Dennis coaching philosophy into a couple of tenants, tenant one is everyone does their job and we've got a great chance to come out on top. Tenant two is looking at opponents. I know what you want to do and what you like to do the most. You're not doing that against me. And if you beat me the other way, if you beat me doing the thing you're less comfortable doing, I'll run out and shake your hand and be gruff and tell you people I'm on a Cincinnati. That's his whole philosophy. And I think at some point people are going to try that and or maybe more to a degree than they already have what you're talking about. You say, we are not letting Jaden Daniels be anything other than a passer. And I think right now he's good enough to punish teams sometimes. I think eventually he'll be a good enough to punish teams all the time as he kind of grows into this thing in the league. But making them do things that he hasn't done just yet is as good a chance as anybody has of slowing this off and down. So I think that is actually the big question for me. If you kept him in the pocket, do you beat them like there are quarterbacks you win when you do that? Justin Fields as an example this many years into his career famously the Rams against Kyler Murray. I mean they won that playoff game by a million points because that they said nothing else. That's all you're doing. He's the next one on the list. If you keep him in the pocket like Washington did last week against Arizona and he doesn't run you win. He cannot win from the pocket Kyler Murray cannot win from the pocket. There are guys like that field. Same thing around the league Daniels to me is a better passer certainly has way more upside than those two guys. But already at this point of his career I would take Daniels throwing the football over Justin Fields. I would take Daniels throwing the football just thinking about some of the other running quarterbacks over a handful of those guys already. I think it's true though. I don't think it should be some disrespectful comment. I posted this clip and a lot of commanders fans took issue with it in bristled like they're smarter than Bill Belichick, which I'm sure they are. But I would not view this at like it's okay for people to have a take other than the Jaden Daniels is the greatest player in the history of the world every now and then without you viewing it as a slap in the face. And by the way, he is saying that he has been amazing and incredible. He's just saying if you keep him in the pocket, you have a chance. And I believe that his best work happens now when he's extending creating outside. And I hope that that is the superpower, that is the cape on Superman that I hope never goes away. By the way, I hope he accentuates it more and more and more and more because he's actually got foreign away the highest scramble rate in the NFL and pressured. Have you seen those numbers? Yes. They're pretty staggering when you get to those in a minute. But I do think that if you keep Jaden Daniels in the pocket and you make him read through things that you could probably have success, I just think that that's obvious. Everybody knows that and nobody's been able to do it. The Ravens will try this week. Do you not think that the Browns tried to do that? You don't think that was a talking point for Jim Schwartz? Let's make sure we don't let him get out of the pocket and on the fifth player of the game he did and threw it 66 yards. Yeah, you had him dead to rights. Two guys were draped all over him and he got out of the pocket and threw it down, filled him a corner to change the football game. Yeah. As I said, if these are said than done, but that's got to be the planet requires an unbelievable amount of discipline. Right? Like the, the, the one time the end gets up field thinking he's winning and Daniels is able to step up and then move to his right. You're now dead to rights. Well, you're basically no longer trying to get your own sack. Yeah. You're now no longer really trying to add to your pressure totals. When everyone looks up your PFF numbers, you are, but your job on the outside is contained. But you're just rushing to the edge. The problem is if you're not working in unison with your interior D linemen and whatever linebackers and muggers are going to be in the A gap, then he's going to just fly. You're creating a giant hole if you're just containing and he just flies straight ahead and has nothing but room to run. It's really hard used to be that the line that the team used when I covered him was rushed with vision. If you have to rush with vision, you have to see where he's at, you have to him him in. I just think it's so hard. Here's the scramble rate numbers that came out this week that I was pretty stunned by. Highest pressured scramble rate by a rookie since 2006, minimum 50 pressure. So think about this. That's a lot of words. When you're under pressure, how often do you throw the ball away? Do you extend the play to throw versus just pull the ball down and run? Jaden Daniels scrambles twice as much as any other rookie since 2006 when he's pressured. It's worked so far. If it ain't broke, you don't have to fix it, but this is unsustainable. I guess is the point I wouldn't make and either you care about the data or you don't. A lot of people will just say, I've seen the games. He's amazing. He's got nothing to worry about. I'm just saying you can't scramble on 37% of your pressures all year long. Inevitably that will not work. Later you're leaving too much on the field from a passing standpoint. Some of those big gains on the ground become much lesser gains. Eventually you take a big shot. Josh Allen in his rookie year, Danny scrambled at the highest rate we'd ever seen under pressure. It was 18%. Right there with Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, about a percentage point more than Robert Griffin did as a rookie. Daniels is at 37%. Now I think that number, because it's like twice as many as the number two players, right? Basically over the years. I do think that number calms down a little bit as it gets more experience. I also wonder what was that number after week one, after week two, and after week two. Exactly where I was going. Where are we trending? Just my gut instinct says it's trending down and we're still on a small enough sample where, I mean, I think he, what did he scramble eight times in week one on 16 dropbacks? Yeah. Is that something to that effect, right? The week one that just petrified me. Yeah, right. Then I'm going, oh no, this is broken. So yeah, I mean, it's something to monitor for sure. If we check back in in three or four weeks and it's still at that percentage, we're going to go, okay, hey, this, this is a data point, we're basically a third of the way through the seas. No, you're right. We are. And here, forget the rookie numbers because I think those are less important. Here are the scramble when pressured numbers in the NFL. Daniels is 37%. Lamar is second at 18 and a half percent. Again, you're talking about twice as high as the number two guy and scrambling when pressured. Now, if your point is just, it's working. Leave me alone. Sure. I would just say that's not the best way, like you could have a lot of hits and you still need to tweak the swing. You know what I'm saying? The result has been great, but this is an area where he's going to have to improve. And I think it goes hand in hand with the Belichick conversation because Belichick's point is you got to keep him in the pocket. What he's been able to do is scramble out of the pocket. But what happens with teams rush with more vision, do a better job. Not trying to sack you like the Browns did, but trying to just keep you in that area. You might run into a sack, you might run into a sack fumble, you might, you know, not get out of the pocket. You get a hold, get an intentional ground. There's a million negative things that have happened. Start happening. That's definitely the plan. The question is, can anyone actually pull it off because they haven't been able to. Yeah. I think somebody can. It's going to take a good defense. I don't know. Constantly? No. I don't know if this Ravens defense can do that. Like, you know what I mean? I haven't seen it yet. In years past, you know that they're going to be disciplined and do everything the right way, et cetera. You know, the pass rush hasn't really been there. It's consistent. They got a couple guys that can really get after the passer, but can they play this way? I don't know how many teams can do it, but when you get into divisional winner type stuff, when you get into playoff type stuff, which by the way, it's fun to be able to talk about. Yeah. Someone will be able to say we're going to make you do the thing you're not as good at right now and take our chances eight hundred six, three, six, one, oh six, seven. Let's hit the phones on this next MGM national harbor listener lines question for you guys right now on GND, you heard what Belichick said he would try to do defensively. I think that's the idea that teams are going to have because Daniels has made so many plays with his feet running when he gets out of the pocket. And then this past week and over the last few weeks, extending plays to throw. Do you think that adjustment is coming and what does that look like when it does? We're granting Danny. [silence] GND on the fan, another chance for you to win tickets to see the caps tomorrow at four o'clock. We're actually going to be out and about at Capital One Arena for the big event caps 50th celebration, 50 years of hockey. We'll give you all the details before we say goodbye. On top of the hour, coming up in 13 minutes, Steve Maryucci, former head coach San Francisco Detroit and NFL network analyst is going to join us right here on the fan. We're fired up about that. Do you think there's an adjustment coming to Washington's offense? Are you worried that at some point teams are going to be able to keep Jaden Daniels in the pocket and to take some of his running and extension abilities away? Let's go to Adam and Cole Pepper. What's up, buddy? How are you? Hey, Sean. It's been a while, man. Last time I talked to you guys, I was in a real dark, dark place sports speaking, you know. So this is awesome. A lot. It's been a nice several of weeks. We breastfed here. Well, I was about at the end of my rope after about 30 years, but yeah, I don't think there's anything you can do just because mathematics like you really can't. I don't think you can keep them in. He flips out too easy. You can't just keep them in there for once. And if you do, like, all right, well, now you're missing a safety. So we're just going to dump it off to Austin Eckler for 50. You can't at this moment in time and for the foreseeable, you know, few games here. I don't see what anybody's going to be able to do. The way he gets away is just so easy for him. It makes it look easy. No doubt. This is why teams all want the running quarterback. Yeah. It's because not only in the running game are you 11 and 11 head on a hat now, but okay, I'm going to take him away and make sure he doesn't keep. Well, now my running backs going downhill and read option and he's picking up yards Alfred Morris style to all the to the tune of 1600. It's the, okay, you're going to keep him in the pocket. You're going to use extra guys and rush with all of those guys. Okay. I got my check downs, my dump downs. I got the middle of the field here of five and seven yard drags and crosses behind you. I got a drift. You know, a little, uh, in breaker dig route behind your linebackers that are coming up to spy me. You should theoretically have an answer a lot of the time and it's why everybody, it's hard to find a guy who can do it all well. But when you do it, it's the, it's the easy kick. I mean, it's like growing up, the league is different now, but in the NBA, you had a dominant center. It forced the other team to have to play a certain way. You, you, if you have Shaquille O'Neal, you simply have to commit so many resources to cover Shaquille O'Neal. And even still you couldn't really do it most nights, but it left other things open and available. That's kind of the same answer. Key here. The one thing I would add is, and we bring this up about once a week, we try not to harp on it. And there's no reason to right now in Cliff Kingsbury's past, his offenses always got off to amazing first halves, where they were in the top five, top 10, almost annually. And then it all comes crashing down. Let's go to Smitty and Hyatt's Phil. What's up, Smitty? Fellas, fellas, fellas. What's going on, man? Everybody. I think that eventually, yeah, some call them coordinators, that's what they get paid to do. They're going to stay up all night and try to figure out how to stop. That's what they do. Yeah. But here's the thing, the same way they stand up all night, you got, you got Kingsbury and Daniel showing up at the facility at four o'clock in the morning. So they're making adjustments also. And the very definition of being special is when the defense got the right plate, the right call with the right players at the right time, and he still figures out away. Yeah, and he still snatches their soul. Such a good call. The Browns made the right call and executed pretty well on the 66 yard throw to McLaurin. Their good execution got beat by a spectacular special elite player. Yeah, a hundred yards of offense came on plays at the Browns did a good job. You think of that one and then the fourth down scramble by Daniels for 35 yards. Yeah. You know what I mean? Where it's like, they called it up, dialed it up, did everything right? Sorry. You got to like the football field against you. It's a good point too about the work that they're putting in. And I don't know if Lou Voo's comment. It's being taken as literal that he gets there at four a.m. I don't know that Lou Voo's like looking at the time card or whatever. I think he was just kind of saying the guy gets here before I get here and I get here really. I'd actually like him to get a little bit more sleep for a rest or a cooperation. Like five is fine. Whatever he's doing, keep doing it as far as I'm concerned. But yes, he is a worker and he seems to care a lot about the stuff that matters that nobody can see. And that's always the first tell. You give me the details on whether your quarterback prospect is burning the candle at both ends as a leader, as a worker, as a studier, as a film watcher. And I'll tell you if they got a chance or not. And just so happens, he also happens to be one of the best athletes on the planet. It's going to Travis and Calvert on the fan. I think even if they find a way to somehow keep him in the pocket, it's not going to matter because he'll just do exactly the Cincinnati. He'll stand there and he'll take a big shot and deliver it right in the bucket for a touchdown. We've seen it. He can do it. There have been some highlight moments for sure. But if you're a, here's the difference though, if you're a ballot check or you're a defense, you'll take that because that is such a low percentage. I don't mean that play. That play specifically. It was a 10% catch up. Next gen stats was like a 9.8% chance to be completed. So you're saying 91% of the time he's not going to make that throw and take that hit and Terry's not going to get open and make that catch, right? But you will take the chance that he misses, you know, the earth's middle of the field, could have been a big play, the near touchdown to Earth's like that kind of stuff. And it's not a Jaden thing. It's a quarterback thing. Yeah. You're going to miss some throws. So if you're standing in the pocket, having to read things out, you're much more inclined to miss something there than you are when you get out of the pocket to not outrun a linebacker. Cause I could tell you he's going to win that one a lot more than 10% of the time. What, what did the paradigm become to defend Pat Mahomes, right? Make them check it down. I guarantee you Pat Mahomes can execute a four or five or six yard pass. The guy that's that good, the best ever do it is probably good enough to do that. So you're willing to take and give up certain things, right? I mean, so it's not necessarily an insult to the guy to say, Oh yo, we're going to make a push. You can't pass. It's you're basically saying you've got to execute 10, 11, 12, 13 plays down the field every time against us and things go wrong. It's NFL. Grant and Danny with you on the fan, some really good answers and comments coming in the question if you're just jumping in your car, Bill Belichick with Pat McAfee gave what he believes to be the script to slow and Jaden Daniels down. It started with kind of keeping him in the pocket and we're asking you guys, if you think that's coming and if there is something defenses can do based on what we've seen, that would be a big problem for this offense. We'll get back into this for sure with more of your calls next hour at 800-636-1067. But next, I want to ask the same question to Steve Maryucci. 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