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Looking Ahead To The Ravens Game, Is This A Measuring Stick Game?
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We're real, we're transparent, we're having a hell of a good time with it, and we sit there and we're there for the sweat with you guys. We're just trying to figure it out just like you. Follow and listen to Cash the Ticket on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. Good Wednesday afternoon and welcome into Grant and Danny on the fan. October 9th, 2024, we're giving away tickets to a caps game on the 17th next Thursday night at four o'clock here on the fan. And we got two great guests to tell you about in just a moment. Danny, how are you? This is not a good day for me. So it all started. We usually wake up in the Hooray household. My wife gets up earlier than I do, but usually around seven, seven, 15, either one of the kids wakes us up or I wake up, we get them going, get them off to school, etc. By the grace of God, I have no idea how she did this or thought to do this, but at 830, my wife called me and I was dead asleep. So we're my children. She called some sort of like lightning strike maternal instinct. This idiot screwing up. I don't know what Spidey Sense was tingling, but she called and was like, Oh, hello? Hi? What? She's like, I just want to make sure you're up as a guy. I am down. I have no idea. Your kids were supposed to go to school? Yeah. I mean, we'd leave for school. They walk a walk in the school at 840. So at 830, I got the phone call to wake up. But if she didn't call, would have been asleep. All you guys are just having to say just a big ol' yes. I guess we're missing first period. What's doubly awesome is I had a meeting at that school at 845 a.m. Everything is not coming up for me today. I mean, I have been behind since. Were you on time for the meeting? We made the meeting somehow. My oldest is able because he's old enough. He's able to like independently. He's like, Don't worry. I'll get ready for school by myself. I hold my sprinting my youngest through breakfast. He's like got a fig bar in one hand, a vitamin in the other, you know, his sweatshirts half on. I'm carrying him to the car. No chance you showered. Oh, no, you kidding me? So I get there for the meeting. He's gonna like wait outside the door. But it's like, well, this is if there's a safer place on the planet, you know, we'll do that while I go into this meeting. Come on, just the time to see him off. And I've been behind and just off all day today. Everything's been wrong. I have to shower when I wake up. I know you do. I cannot function without a shower. You have coffee. I have a shower. So that that meeting went after wait. Sorry. I'm going to be a few minutes late. That's tough. The wife won Danny Zero today. I mean, what a what an unbelievable save. How would you how would she have known? Like the last time she called me in the morning from work was like, Hey, I need, you know, I'm filling out like paperwork in case we die. You know, like what what's your what's your date of birth reason? Did she say why she was calling? It was all too frantic. Well, okay, I got the time and I hung up and said, love you, bye. And she's like, okay, bye. Like going back to work. No idea how it happened. But I'm telling you, I have been just discombobulated, very behind. To me, if the show started an hour from now, I'd probably feel a little bit better. But we're here. We got to talk. Yeah, happy to have you. Glad that you're alongside as always here on Grant and Danny. Will Montgomery studied the offensive line play of the commanders for us. He's going to give us a report at three o'clock of what he saw. He, of course, was the long time starting center here in D.C. Plated Virginia Tech was in the national football league for a decade looking forward to that report for us from Will Montgomery. Because anecdotally, Danny, it feels like the old line's been really good. Yeah. And I would say statistically as well, right? Statistically, the old line's been very good. They are top 10 in every metric just about pass rush win rate, run block win rate. You know, the PFF scores and grading on pass blocking and run blocking. They're top five in plenty of categories. And I'm not naive enough to think that Jaden Daniels does not help the offensive line immensely. I certainly understand that that's the case. But I also think there's a reality to where when you have a mobile quarterback and let's face it, he leads the league and scrambles a running quarterback. I remember when Will played that at times that also made the old line's job difficult on someplace because you're moving around in the pocket, you're supposed to be fine in planting and you're five and kind of moving or running or sprinting. So I want to talk to him about that. I think it'll be good perspective. He blocked for Robert Griffin when Griffin was putting up very similar numbers as a rusher and as a passer in the early part of his career here in DC. And then I'm really fired up to tell you guys that at six o'clock today, Steve Maryucci's on the show. Nice. I love Steve Maryucci. We're much guys on the show. I don't know when or why I became such a big Maryucci fan, but when he was coaching the Niners, something about that team I love. Jeff Garcia quarterback, Terrell Owens, a wide receiver, and he would go on to become a gigantic silly goose. But do you remember when T.O. caught that? I want to say it was like a game-winning touchdown and a playoff against Green Bay. Yeah, Steve Young against the Packers. For whatever reason, that's one of my like most strong vivid memories of my childhood non-red skin. She just a small window to fit it in. He got crunched between at least a couple of dudes, maybe maybe three. Who knows? He dropped a passer to earlier on in that game. And that was kind of that. That was the, I don't know if there's a good analogy because they're not divisional foes, obviously, but that was the playoff rivalry. That's like kind of the now Bengals chiefs. How they like kind of smack talk each other. We'll see you in January. Farve, Steve. Yeah. It was a couple of future Hall of Fame legend types at quarterback. But anyway, I'm just a Maryucci guy. So we've not really had him on the show before. So we'll talk to him when he joins us today on Grant and Danny at six o'clock. So make note of that. But we are on two bolts and more of my friend. We are getting ready for Sunday. We are getting ready for the Ravens. It's a one o'clock kick. It's the A team on CBS, Nance and Romo. And there's a hype video making the rounds. That's pretty awesome on social media. But just file another one away. We are in week six hype video mode. Somebody put together one of these like set to music, dramatic player beating up with sweat, slow motion, you know, five K camera shot, height videos for Lamar Jackson, Jaden Daniels, Derek Henry, Brian Robinson, the Ravens who can thump, the commanders who want to bop you against going to be the game that everybody is paying attention to around the country. Yeah, it's marking and we're not used to that, right? Usually people are paying attention here in Washington from outside because of the latest scandal, the latest kerfuffle and you're tuning in, you go, a live train wreck at one p.m. on Sunday, tune in and you're going to see, Oh my God, what is this going to be? What's what's the latest scandal? What's the latest whatever? It is such a far departure from that to not only just be okay, right, to just be normal. Teams win or lose every week in this league. And that's not even what we're talking about. Someone, a team that's like legitimately good and we're going to find out how good to a degree this weekend. I believe in the idea of the measuring stick element of this game. I saw again, Quinn was asked, is this a measuring stick game today? And he basically said, ah, we didn't really talk in those terms. We know they're good. We think we're pretty good. But he didn't want to call it a measuring stick game. I do think this is that. I think this is a are we ready for the bright lights? Are we ready for big boy football with everybody watching against a team that has a chance to go compete for a conference title in Baltimore? But I also at the same time think this is a win win for Washington, to be completely honest, barring a blowout loss, barring a terrible Jaden Daniels performance. And there's no reason to believe based on anything we've seen. I don't even just mean this season, Danny, but camp really since the moment he was drafted, that that's coming this weekend. I don't think anything can happen that would make me feel down on this operation early next week. That's why I kind of feel like it's a win win. I don't know if you guys agree with me on this. Maybe we can open up the phones early at 800 636 1067. I think if the commanders win, we're talking about Daniels as an MVP candidate, Washington as a legitimate contender for the Super Bowl, you know, all of this stuff can change. But just through six weeks, that's the conversation. Whereas if they lose, it's kind of a so what spot for me. Like, Oh, okay. So they didn't beat the Ravens in Baltimore. So they didn't win a fifth straight game. Now they're only four and two in leading the NFC East, assuming they compete and they're in the game for most of four quarters. I don't really see a path to me feeling like this is revealing that they're not that good. So that's why I'm viewing it as almost a win win. It if they win, there's so much to be gained. If they lose, they're supposed to. And so what? Yeah, I'm even, I'll even go further than that. Now, maybe the emotions on Sunday will have me feeling slightly different. But if they get blown out, Baltimore's 20, I think it's 21 and one with the Ravens and Lamar Jackson playing against the NFC 21 and one. A lot of those wins are ridiculous. Our wood shed wins, right? Now, I think a lot of that is teams don't don't see them near as often and it's harder to prepare. Say that's a weird stat. I wonder, but to me that like, why do you think that is? I don't view that as multiple reasons. One, they're good generally to that. So they went a lot of games, maybe not 97% of their winning percentage over that time would probably be, and I'm just making this up, but like 14 and six eight, you know what I mean? Right. So why are they so much better against the NFC? And I think they play differently than everybody else in or they have in a lot of ways, right? So, you know, maybe NFC teams don't see him, but once every couple of years, something like that, different, more difficult to prepare for. I don't know. I mean, I'm just throwing stuff at the wall, but you do something 21 and one. That's a trend. That's, that's worth monitoring, right? Coming into this weekend. So I think a part of that, I'm going, if they could blown out, I'm not even going to say same old, same old, I'm not going to say, okay, it wasn't even as good as we thought because it is. It is as good as we think. This could be there, lay the egg game. Everybody has one, all except for Kansas City and Minnesota, but all every team that we think of is good. Like Houston is legit. They lost by 27 to Minnesota. They got destroyed in their big game against a good team, right? Everybody's got nobody in the league right now is so dominant that one week is going to be a referendum, at least from me, from my perspective. Well, here's Robin to disagree with that. I think you get that kind of loss if you're the Texans and we dismiss it as, ah, it happens. It was a dud. It was your lay the egg game. Whereas if you're Washington and you're playing up a weight class, which is what they're doing, the thought is not, oh, they had a bad night. The thought is they don't really belong just yet, which I think is probably true because there's no track record here. Exactly. But I guess for me, winning this game is, is validating. And what I mean by that is, it's less measuring stick because flooky crap happens each week when look at Arizona beat in San Francisco this past weekend after not looking like they belonged in the NFL the week before against Washington. This is more of a, okay, you put in these unbelievable efforts last three weeks, right? It's, it's going well. How much of it is, okay, this is real and not just the nice three weeks. How much of this is, no, these guys are for real. These guys are good. And it's not just they caught Cleveland at the exact right time. Arizona was trying to prove something by keeping column early in the pocket. And Cincinnati, if they make a field goal, probably beach it over time the way they could have done this past week to Baltimore. It changes the narrative a little bit. But if you win, it's going, yeah, this, this avalanche going downhill, this boulder is real, right? This, this is a group that absolutely belongs. So in that sense, I, it is a measure. But I think it makes them dangerous that they can gain a lot and can't really lose much. It is a nothing to lose spot essentially for Washington. It is a free and easy. Let's go see what happens where you are the biggest underdog you've been all season, now based on odds going into a game. The national expectation is Baltimore is going to beat you. I don't quite think the same way I did about the Bengals game going in for the record. But if you remember when they played Cincinnati, my thought was the Bengals are not as good as everybody thinks. I didn't think they'd be one and four right now. But similarly with the Ravens, the Ravens are still being talked about as if they are an AFC Championship type team and they have not really looked like that at any point. They've had a couple of good games, some halves here or there that were interesting or good. But Danny, they could easily be two and three right now. So I don't view this as a game that Washington can't win. I don't view this as a game where they're going to get bullied. I don't think the line should be as big as it is. I think it should probably be four and a half or five points, not six and a half or seven in my opinion. But I guess we'll find out on Sunday, like if they can stand toe to toe and exchange blows with Baltimore. I think both teams are going to have success when they've got the football and score points. I think it's going to be a high scoring game. Someone in the thirties is going to win. Someone in the upper 20s is going to lose. That's kind of the script I'm looking at. But I think what excites me is they have put so much hay already in the barn. I'll use my Eddie Jordan reference. They have harvested so many nuts that at four and one with four in a row, it's all gravy. As long as you show up and acquits yourself like you belong, win or lose your four and two coming back here. I think the Panthers shortly thereafter and it's back on. At that point now, that's the measuring stick game to me to make sure you don't play down to an opponent. That's when we find out for sure that it's different and you're going to handle the teams you're supposed to handle because that's going to separate the eight wins and the 11 or so wins at the end of this year is are you going to pummel teams like Carolina? Can you take advantage of Carolina, Chicago and at New York right after this week? You should win two of those three games and you've one of them's got to be Carolina at home to me. If you split with the Giants and the Bears, Bears have a great defense. Giants are a division foe. You know, it'll be close and they've actually played pretty well starting with the game against Washington where they almost beat them here. They've been competitive. So I don't need you to win all three of those. I think that's probably unrealistic. But if you win two of those three at that point, you're two and two in your next four and you've gotten to six and two through eight, it's all like Donkey Kong. So I just I need them to look presentable in front of the public that is showing up to watch us. Do you belong in this game? I got friends coming over to the house. Kids, I need you to put on a nice outfit and let's pretend that, you know, we're not crazy for a couple of hours. Nobody picked their nose in front of other people for like 45 minutes, at least the first 45 while everyone's here and we're all socializing. But you agree with my premise, then, and I want to hit the phones on this in a second, 800 6361067 because it sounds kind of like loser talk in advance. It sounds like I'm preparing to lose and justifying it. And I promise it's not really that. I just don't view this even if they lose as a big problem. I think it's a if they win, it's amazing kind of house money game. And by the way, this is a bigger picture point that people won't like. I already kind of view this as a house money season. That's where you I literally put my finger up to be like, great, I'm going to say something. And that's what I was going to say. That's it. What you just said, this, this, like, there's so much better right now than I thought they would be. Like, I thought we're going to go maybe we eat out that seventh win because Jaden Daniels has a, you know, a Griffin against Minnesota Viking scramble against somebody and it's, you know, blood, sweat, and, you know, getting moisture from a stone to get to seven. They're so much better. They've already turned in better homework and shown mastery of the subject. Like they, they're taking a 500 level course and I'm sitting here going, well, we're in, we're in elementary school. We're one on one projected wind total started six and a half, right? You know where it is right now? Four? No, no, no. Oh, sorry. The wind total? Yes, I don't. Nine and a half. Already a month into the season climbed three games. Yeah, most by any team so far, obviously, right? Minnesota's, I'm sure, has jumped pretty sizeably too. Might be right there with them. So you don't apologize for having success. I mean, the same way in 2020, we're going, Hey, this team in that good, but the division's so terrible, might as well win it. You know what I mean? You could, you could apologize for one of these games, but I'm not going to do that. So here we are. They're ahead of schedule. I know they refuse to use words like rebuild and they got to find North and recalibrate North and arrive violently when they go North. You and me, the outside looking in and be like, yeah, you turn over 70% of the roster. Everything is new. Staff players, you know, redoing facilities and everything on the fly, they're trying to make themselves a legit NFL org. There's no way. There's no way if you give everyone truth, sir, in that building, you can be four and one with a chance to go five and one and then being the talk of the NFL. Are you going to be the best, potentially the best team in the league through five weeks? Is that you guys? They go probably not. That's probably a little bit open overshoot. There's not a single person in that building that thought they'd be four and one with the number one offense in the NFL right now. I refuse to believe that they could know. Right. How could you? And how could you? I mean, it probably would have done a couple things differently and been a little more aggressive in trying to go add pieces if that they thought they were that. Do you guys agree with the premise though that this weekend, while a lot can be gained if they win is a spot where Washington, even in a loss, assuming they play okay, comes out, not really having taken a step back. Like this is a house money game you can only really benefit from. Or do you not like that idea about this matchup? 800, 636, 106, 71 to hop in on the MGM National Harbor listener lines. Will Montgomery on the O line play at three and those caps tickets we're giving away at four on G and D. This episode is brought to you by progressive insurance. 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Follow and listen to Cash the Ticket on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. October is about as good a time in sports as there is. Last night I was watching the Major League Baseball playoffs which have been fascinating. The Padres and the Dodgers right now might be the best rivalry in all of sports. It's good. And my argument would be there's more guys on each side of that rivalry that hate players on the other team for Padres Dodgers than in almost any other situation in pro sports and legitimately they don't like each other. Like you could see them getting into it. They really just actively loathe the other team. It's a West Coast version of Yankee's Red Sox a long time ago. Before the Red Sox basically became the thing that they despise the Yankees, the overdogs, the high payroll, the, you know, pretend fans with pink hats from all across the country inventing associations for Boston. San Diego's never done it. San Diego's always been son. They're always the little brother. It's even when they've had really good teams. One time they got to the World Series they got squeezed at Yankee Stadium right before Tina Martinez Omerd to change the whole series. They're they've never despite hype and promise that this is different. It's never been but it's not one of the cool cities where everybody waxes poetic about the sports writer perspective. So nobody appreciates it. But they've never done it against LA and LA is the ultimate overdog. Always they their own television network their own billions from just from parking. You know what I mean? Like that's the mega market in San Diego's the little engine that could within the playoffs and baseball. The NHL got started last night at our first game in Utah. That was awesome theater and television. I enjoyed in basketball. We had the wizards open their preseason. Alex are looked much better than he did in the summer league. You see him offensively? Yes. Some shots knock down three's. They play again tonight. People were were obviously freaking out but freaking out a little bit about the fact that they didn't score very well in the summer. I understand that. I don't think it was the lack of scoring. I think it was the inability to make a shot. Sure. People worried. Yeah. The old necessarily the same. Right. The old for 15s. I'm just going to athletically watch him move around. This is not Johnny Davis who can't get a shot off in the summer league. Right. This is not a guy that you go. Oh my god. This dude can't play. This is a kid who is probably a little bit overwhelmed but can hit the way he moves around. I'll still take my chances. So that was good to see that was that was nice for him. But it's fun right now as a sports fan and a big part of it in town is the commander. So we're getting ready for the Ravens. They play on Sunday at one. Everybody's going to be watching and if they win, they'll be five and one and they may very well be at the top of some power rankings. Pending other results. If they've won five in a row with a quality win at Baltimore and the number one offense in the NFL, we're going to be talking about them through the lens of best team and football discussions and no matter what you want to say, it's on the table if they beat the Ravens. All of it's subject to change as we get deeper into the season. Sure. But if you want to say they're a Super Bowl contender, do it. That their quarterback should be the MVP. Sure. My point is they can't really lose with a loss. I think that a win is a stamp that they are credible and a stamp that they are legitimate and that they have arrived and they're not going away. They lost to me so long as it's not a embarrassing performance, so long as they don't look like they did against the Bucks. I don't think it does much damage. I think it's a glancing blow. I don't think there's such a thing as a knockout punch or a haymaker that they can really suffer in this fight. That's the question for you guys. Do you agree with that? 800-6-36-106? Yeah. And I, if, you know, I co-signed that, I even add, if it's a blowout, it's not going to dampen my spirits because I view this season. I view what's already happened. We are in plus territory. Like, I've sat down on my first hand of blackjack. I did the max bet and I hit blackjack and I got time and a half and I've already profited like 100% in my pocket. Now, I'm just playing the rest of the hands out with my little budget the rest of the way. That's how I'm viewing this. Like, this is already better than I thought. If they get destroyed because I'm not quite ready for prime time, that's all that is to me. I'm still going to have plenty of fun coming up. Maybe that's the only difference. If they get destroyed, I will view it as somewhat revealing that we all need to just hit the brakes a little bit. It's been all gas around here for a month. Yeah. And we don't even know where the break is. I think if they get beat really handily and they just look like... Because you know what it looks like, right? It's a much worse version of the Ravens. They can't get out of the huddle. It's false starts everywhere. It's just guys wide open and guys pointing and looking at each other. You know what we're used to. That kind of stuff. Then we all just need to slow down. Let's go to Cornelius in the District on Grant and Danny. Good job. I love that, dude. Hey, Grant and Danny. What's up? Tell us, man. Thanks for taking the call, man. I just called that right now as I'm talking to you guys, man. I got this big old smile on my face, right? I've been a Redskins commander since '77. I don't talk to you guys a couple of times before. I think the last time we talked was doing a draft when I was mentioning a key on comin' on day two. But I haven't been back on the sets, but man, we can beat Baltimore, man. Agreed. We ain't scared of them. We ain't scared of them, man. I'm telling we on to something. And what's happening right now, the defense is starting to pick it up. I'll be. We played Cleveland. But those teams used to, man, be the... That's not forget. Cleveland beat us what last year or year before the Tyler Murray and them people. They know me, man. Put a big place on us. The defense is stepping it up, even in Cincinnati. Yeah, Joe Burns do for a lot of y'all and all that, but we had that bit, but don't break mentality. They settled for field goals while we were getting touchdowns. And Jayden Daniels, man, I've never seen nothing like this in my life, man. I still think I'm dreaming. But you know what? I'm not dreaming. Everybody deserves to have a star. And we got us one, man. We goin' up in there. We not worried about no dirt. It's gonna be a shootout. That's what it's gonna be. It's gonna be a shootout. And I'm telling you, man, we gonna beat them peoples, man. Justin Tucker, if it come down to him, it look like his leg is dead. Well, that wasn't until last week. Thank you, buddy. You might need to go watch this past game, because he kicked a big field goal from deep to get him to overtime. And then he hit a game-winning field goal this past weekend as well. But you're right. I mean, there's a little more hesitation, I think, and anxiousness as a Ravens fan if he's taking the field in a big spot. But, respectfully, I would say that that also exists with Washington, if Austin Seibert is trying out there to kick a 52 yarder for the win, because he has not made a field goal beyond 45. Now, he's been perfect. He's hit everything. But he's also been asked to do very little. Like, hey, did my daughter eat all over lunch? Yes. What did you put on her plate? Three peas and a fruit roll up. That's a little more telling. He has been all chip shots all the time. I am happy that he has executed perfectly on extra points as well, which you shouldn't take for granted with the distance now from 33 that it is. But I'm not convinced yet that they've solved the kicker dilemma. I still want to see him hit something from 50 plus because that's the knock on him, frankly, is leg strength depth. That's why a lot of times they kick off by design to have returns. I'd like to see that in a big spot at some point before I put it in sharpie that he's the guy we don't have to do it this week. We don't have to have it come down to him making a 50 plus yarder to win, but it's going to happen at some point. This is the NFL, right? But yeah, I mean, I think it's fair to say I'm both excited and there are still some pondering, still some questions where we go. Okay. This is this three weeks has been great, but dot dot dot. What do we know? I think it's perfectly fine to ask those questions and also go, I can't wait for this. I can't I can't wait to see what they play how they play against Baltimore. I can't wait to see, like it's now look forward to viewing instead of a chore, which is what it was for so long. Well, their offense is must see. I mean, their offense is no longer a what down is it. Can I run to the bathroom real quick? You have to watch every snap. They're the number one offense in the NFL in terms of scoring. The Ravens are second, by the way. So bring on one o'clock on Sunday. Let's go to will who's in LA listening on the Odyssey app. What's up, Will? I think this is definitely a measuring to game. I mean, you know, that's a smart team up there. Mortar is a baseline coach to be. They don't take a bonus for granted and they play hard pretty much every week. Every team after they play them knows they played them. This is an opportunity to see exactly how good the team is. Appreciate you, bud. Yeah. This to me, this is less about this year for Baltimore, because they've been middling by their standards. Week one was competitive at Kansas City again. A couple of things go differently. They could win that game. They lost it, whatever. That lost in week two to the Raiders. Really unimpressive how they gave that one away. Last three weeks, they won all three. But this isn't like, Oh my God, I'm seeing a juggernaut. This is this is home field throughout the AFC postseason type stuff. But they're track record when again, when Lamar Jackson's healthy, they win 77% of their games. Yeah, you're playing the ghost of the Ravens, a very beatable team. They gave up 40 and should have lost to a team you beat a couple weeks ago, right? This was just yesterday's Sunday's game against the bills. Now they did crush them 35 10. And I'd give them full credit for that. That was like the one dominant signature effort they had. But the Dallas game, they had a great first half. They almost lost that game. They were lucky to hang on to that game. And then they lost to a bad Raiders team. So yeah, I'm not scared of the Ravens by any means. I don't think they're the big bad bully on the block that everybody else does. I think they're more a 10 and seven, nine and 18. Then they are a 13 and 14. And I think they could definitely be had their home game against the Raiders tells you everything you need to know, in my opinion. But it is worth noting that the last time they played in Baltimore, they beat the bills by 25. They beat the brakes off the bills and they Josh Allen look bad. So they still have that club in the bag. Did you notice that there was some news or was a change to the Ravens staff today? Oh, by the way, no. So their defense has been pretty dreadful statistically. They've gotten off to an awful start. Their defensive coordinator is a first year guy named Zach Orr. Remember Mike McDonald was our DC last year. He left and went cross country to be the head coach in Seattle. So he is out there running the Seahawks well so far, might I add, or has been elevated. A lot of the defensive assistants left. He was the linebackers assistant last year. He got promoted to defensive court injury played with the Ravens from 2014 to 2016 was a second team all pro is final year in 2016. He's only 32 years old, but he's the DC the play caller. It has been a real struggle in the building. They've been trying to help him sounds like players have been kind of, you know, trying to elevate him a little bit as well. They went and got Dean P's. They announced today to be an advisor. Oh, they're old defensive coordinates. So they're bringing him back to basically help Zach Orr already. And or at the podium, it sounded like he spoke to someone today. I'm guessing it was a press conference basically said, look, this guy's a Raven. He knows what we do. He knows how we play. Anyone who can kind of help us. We're all in this thing together. But this to me is obviously a John Harbaugh going to him going. This is not working. Yeah, this is not what we do here. I am not a guy that hires and fires people. But we're going to help you. So Dean P's is coming in here. Ask as many questions as you need to. But this is not going to fly. Yeah. So this is the first week with P's now in the building, helping them. I'll be curious to see if that is notable on Sunday. Let's go to Neil and Fredericksburg on Grant and Danny. What's up, Neil? What's up, Grant Danny? How you guys doing today? Good role. Hey, so first game I've ever been to was Sunday against Cleveland. That was a static. I've watched numbers of games and seen how into the stadium just felt. But Sunday, the game, the stadium was just so alive. And when it comes to Sunday against the Baltimore, I think I agree with both of you guys. If we win, we're back. We're here. We we have a point to be made. If we lose, it's not going to be the end of the season. We only need to win three games to get the seven games. One, right? We only need three out of the next, what, eight games to get the seven and seven and seven? But seven doesn't mean anything at this point. Thank you, bud. Me seven was considered okay season at the beginning of the year when they're over under was six and a half. Now at four and one, seven is a disaster. You know, seven, who cares? We only need three wins to get to seven. We finished three and eight. Why seven? So what 10 is the new number you need to care about? That's what you get to the playoffs with. 11, which they haven't done around here since 1991. And obviously you have an extra game now, but I'll still just that number. They've had several years with 17 tries and haven't gotten there. A 11 win season, which hasn't happened since I was in a diaper gets you the vision title. Those are the numbers you should be thinking about at this moment until something changes, not seven, eight hundred, six, three, six, one, oh six, seven is the number on Grant and Danny. Couple stories to track in the NFL this weekend outside of Washington, including the jets and the Patriots will explain why next Will Montgomery is on the show to critique Washington's offensive line. How have they played so far this season? We'll ask the former starting center in 20 minutes on the fan. [BLANK_AUDIO] You need as players to take accountability for what's happened. I think that's the thing that hits you to in the moment is if I played better on Sunday, this doesn't happen. And as somebody who takes a lot of pride in their performance, that was the main sentiment for me yesterday. That's Aaron Rodgers on the Pat McAfee show earlier today. Welcome back. Grant and Danny on the fan. I thought Rogers said all of the right things. I've been watched that interview. You heard him there. Take some ownership on his play and not being good enough, being part of the reason why Robert Sallow was fired. The jets this weekend play the Buffalo Bills. They're two and three buffaloes three and two. If New York beats Buffalo, they're in first place by way of the tiebreaker. So they have lost too straight, but they started two and one, wins over the Titans and the Patriots. Very unimpressive two and one, but losses to Denver in the rain 10 to nine and then the Vikings 23 17 consecutive bad games for Rogers. All they got to do as they've now installed Jeff Ulbrick, the defensive coordinators, their interim head coach Danny is find a way to be Buffalo in their first place. Yeah. Buffalo is not the same team they were the first couple of weeks of the season, right, where they looked really, really good a couple of times now. They've lost too straight by 25 points to the Ravens and then by a field goal to the Texan. Yeah. So the things that I thought were going to happen early this season, the offense scuffling a little bit and Josh Allen happened to play superhero have happened now, right? Whether they're all of a sudden, not the same group they were. And that's obvious when they scored 34, 31 or 47 over the course of the first three games, there's a regression happening. So again, if there's a time to play Buffalo, it's probably right now this minute. So it just shows you how razor thin the margin is, right? And we talked about this. Oh my God, they're two and three. This is so bad. Well, van Rogers hits Garrett Wilson, who has beaten his defender like a statue for a easy walk in touchdown. We're talking about a three and two team and everyone's got great feelings, right? At this point, but of course it's not what happened. The margin is that thin. We're now a seller's out of a job and Rogers has to give comment about it. Yeah. And I don't know that the fix is necessarily coming because the problems, the offense, and I don't know that there's a major change looming. Supposedly Nathaniel Hackett was relieved of play calling duties the morning that Robert Sallow was fired by Robert Sallow. But the moment Sallow got fired right after that, he got his duties back. Now, Old Brick is not commented on that. It's possible and he and Sallow kind of agreed on Hackett and maybe he names Todd down and was their passing in coordinator, the play caller, and there's a change anyway. But Rogers sounded like he was going to play nice on Mac if he said whatever Old Brick wants to do. I'm here to do. I'm a team guy. If he wants to make changes, he should make changes. We need to win football games, but I don't know if it's that easy behind the scenes. This is what Rogers had to say about the notion that he was involved in getting Robert Sallow fired this week. As far as any of the ridiculous allegations out there, I'm not going to spend more than one sentence in response to it. And that is that I resent any of those accusations because they're patently false. And it's interesting the amount of power that people think that I have, which I don't, but I love Robert and he was one of those days yesterday. I agree with part of what he just said, which is I think that people believe that he has more power than he does. I think the perception on the outside is that everything that they do is Rogers's decision. And I think it's way less like that than people assume. That said, I think they fired Robert Sallow. And I think his relationship with Sallow was probably a major factor. Yeah, I don't think it's as simple as phone rings. Hey, Aaron, it's Woody. What do you want to do tomorrow? Do you want to follow woman to fire Robert Sallow? Okay. Thanks. See you practice. He admitted that he talked to the owner the night before Sallow was fired. Do you think he advocated for the firing of Sallow? Yes. I 100% do. I think his opinion was taken in. I think his viewpoints are known whether he said fire this man tomorrow or not. That's where I'm going. I don't think he verbalized that or said anything like we need to fire him. We need to go to brick. Oh, brick is what they call him, brick. I think it was honestly just a Woody Johnson knows this guy does not like him very much. Like what's your opinion? And he gave it, you know, instead of saying we're it's getting better. We're about to turn the corner. Totally. He's like, this ain't working. This is not sustainable. And you know, probably knew what he was doing. I think Roger's just nothing but calculated when it comes to these sorts of things. So I'm sure he has possible an eye ability or like word. Did you say Robert Sallow should be fired? He gets to say no, and he's probably right. He probably never said those exact words, but he also didn't didn't go. It's you can't you can't do it. You can't get rid of him. We're going to make beautiful music together. That's my guy. He didn't. You know what I mean? Like to me, he has a ton of power, even if he's not the person that's like standing at the podium with the decision being made, everything is catered to him because it has to be the other big story in the NFL this weekend outside of the commanders in the Ravens will be the debut of Drake May for the New England Patriots who have lost four straight games. Doesn't it seem like forever ago that they shocked the Bengals in week one and everybody was singing the praises? Maybe they're not as bad as we think. Maybe they're not going to be picking first overall. They won that game 16 to 10 with a defensive gem when the Bengals didn't have T Higgins. Jamar Chase had not practiced with the team yet. Joe Burrow was just coming back from injury since then they lost to Seattle. They got blown out by the Jets. They got blown out by the 49ers and they lost to a dolphins team with Tyler Huntley making his second start in Miami in his second week there. Yeah, they're just a low ceiling team, right? You give them credit for a few games. They've been competitive and they play hard and they're, you know, they're, they're, they're trying, they're affording. They're bad is what they are. They're bad. Yeah. When, when, when somebody knows what the hell they're doing, see San Francisco, the game's over. I tweeted this today at Grand H. Paulson, Danny's at Funny Danny. I have now lived long enough to see Washington become New England and New England become Washington. And what I mean by that is not that the commanders are going to win all of the Super Bowls coming up, although that would be nice. But the commanders do things in a smart way and New England doesn't. And nothing they've done with Drake may make sense to me at all. Frankly, nothing they've done since Belichick walked out the door, makes sense. They just promoted the coach in waiting. They didn't really do a real interview process in any capacity. They didn't interview anybody from outside the building. They just said, Drawed Mayo, you're the guy. Okay, I guess. Drake may, they didn't want to play because they were afraid the offensive line can't protect him. The week that they decided, you know what? Let's actually play him. The offensive line can protect him now. Their line, which has the worst pressure rate allowed is going to take on the Texans who have the best pressure rate forced and Daniel Hunter, who's leading the NFL and pressures defensively. Like nothing they've done at any point makes any sense with what they actually say. They just seem like a real dump at this point post Belichick. And it's not like it was a whole lot better at the end of his time there. Yeah, there's to me, there's no lever you can really pull. In other words, there's no receiver that's coming back from the IR that's going to give him a jolt. You're still no matter when you put him in, it's into the situation that you just alluded to. They have the worst skill group, I think, in the sport between Remondor Stevenson and Antonio Gibson. Gibson's actually been playing well, at least Stevenson can't stop fumbling. But that running back tandem is fine. Even good, you would say. That's it. That's the list. They're reprehensible bad on that side of the football. Whenever you drop Drake may in there, that's where he's going to be. Five weeks, 10 weeks, no weeks. Just interesting to me that they go now's the time. I'm just glad he gets to play, but last week against Miami wouldn't have been a more favorable situation. It's like it would have been right. They just everything they do seems weird. Will Montgomery was a longtime starting center here in DC with the then red skins. 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