All right, Alex, can we please have a one-word prompt about things ideally head cheese Yes, okay, perfect. Here we go. Three Don't think I've ever consumed that No, I don't think so. I'm a daily driver for you. Should it be? I've done like bone marrow. That's really good. Oh, I've done it Well, the same meal is bone marrow. It was a weird dinner. Hold on once again Hey, welcome to the over talking podcast with your host Ken and CJ say hi CJ The podcast which you're about to listen to it is an account of the tragedy that befell to high school friends in particular Ken and his lesser co-host CJ It is all the more tragic and that they think they are still young But as they have lived very very long lives They could not have expected nor would they have wished that this show would slowly make them mad in my coppery For them an idyllic 379 records became a nightmare. The events of those records were led to the discovery of one of the most bizarre Podcasts in the annals of American history the Illinois over talking massacre. Also, hi CJ Bravo Dagg hopefully didn't steal our guts thunder there unless Alex told me ahead of time that he had something prepared And that totally makes us still do it. I think it's gonna be perfect Your house today Look, we've got a new guest on this though Let's just bring him right back because I've already been talking to please about it But yeah, we have a new guest. His name is Alice Vasquez. Welcome. Hello. Hello. Thank you so much for having me This is gonna be so fun guys. Nice to be here. I'm looking forward to it. I so how I know Alex is Not personally until now, but I attended a horror film festival that he put together a couple years ago I don't remember how long ago and I think it was two of them actually Yes, but it was called the Windy City Hororama. Can you can you explain like how that came about how you were involved in that? Yeah, oh, it's sort of I guess I can give the the clips notes. So so me and my buddy Matt Stork who he did a lot of community programming for For a for a website called horror society. I don't know if you ever read that can The screenings a lot of them were held at the bucket of blood books and records store where Matt currently works as well and We you know, we he would put on these like really great programs He would do marathons at his house for his friends and things like that at the time I was programming the after dark section of the Chicago international film festival. Wow. I did that in 2016 and 2017 and I felt like I was watching a lot of really interesting kind of lower budget more independent horror movies that I Thought were good and worth screening but didn't necessarily fit into the confines of the program that I had and I'm not and I wasn't really sure if there was a place for them in the city and I talked about it a lot with Matt and we just kind of decided to give it a thought on our own basically the two of us so in 20 think it was yeah, it was 2018 and 2019 where the two years that we did horror. Ama it was truly just Like a duct tape and staples kind of endeavor for the two of us and and a small group of our friends who really just they put in a Lot of hours pretty much for nothing Just to kind of put together a weekend of independent horror movies with a couple of Repertory screenings of stuff that we thought was Important to uplift We did it for two years. We had a third one planned in April of 2020. We can all imagine how that went That was that was going to be the final one We were kind of just really like this is making enough money to pay for itself basically but like the we kind of decided that the juice wasn't worth the squeeze after that point the pandemic kind of Through it all out of whack and we kind of at least professionally went on our separate ways man Not you're still you know best buds, but but that was kind of the that's kind of the short version of it But I was very charmed to hear that that that that can Attended and enjoyed it. I actually I learned as much from his wife Who works out of bakery that my wife? Sequence yeah, and that's kind of how we came together in this way. It's it's a pretty roundabout story But kind of fun for sure. Yeah, well, I have a lot of questions. So do you professionally? Program movies like outside of this like how do you get involved in that on and off? Yeah, I was I worked operations for Chicago International. I started screening for them just for just for free just for Just as something to to get into the practice of doing because I I I worked film festivals Mostly on the theater outside kind of on and off Okay, and uh, I guess they liked what I was doing and that the A job had opened up and they could just off forget to me. That's kind of where I that's how I almost like stumbled sideways into it I do do just a little bit of that at my current job I worked for the Chicago film office at the city's department of cultural affairs We do have we do have a movie theater in the cultural center Um that I put partnered programming and uh throughout the year. Okay, most of my job is uh filming permits for the films and tv shows that uh that that work around the city Chicago fire the bear Uh, the side things like that. Um, but yeah, that's a little about me Can is that your dream job that he has? It feels like that's pretty close to it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know Well, thank you for the background. Uh, I might have more questions later as they come to me, but uh, yeah, that that's that's awesome And you threw a great two festivals by the way for for when he said horama. I enjoyed my time Did you show idle hands at one of them? Was that we did we said idle hands and we brought in uh robman The the director of that movie robin flender. Uh, he was a joy to have he was so fun. We really loved that screening Yes, that I was at that one and that one specifically I never forget the director being there And I think he even showed some behind the scenes stuff after the movie too He did he said he had never shown those publicly before he was really excited They were like home movies from when he From from from when he was filming that movie. Thanks. Yeah, that was that was an awesome experience. Um, so thank you for putting those on It's the same. We didn't get to park three, but totally understandable Yeah, maybe someday. We'll see maybe some version of it someday Sure. Yeah, um, well, we haven't even talked about what the movie this week is uh for the show Uh, but we are talking about the texas teen saw me on screen in case you couldn't tell by cj's opening end You can't see the movie. There was an all by the way And yeah, this is fitting with our our theme for the whole month I didn't give this theme to alex, but the theme is classic horror movie villains and monsters and Leatherface fits into this So We're gonna take a quick break and we'll write back to talk about the texas teen saw me on the over talking podcast This is the movie that rex read called the most horrifying motion picture i have ever seen This film is positively ruthless in its attempt to drive you right out of your mind It accomplishes everything it sets out to do with brilliance and unparalleled terror Oh This is the horror movie to end them all Uh, we're back on the over talking podcast joined by new guest alix Vasquez and we're talking about the texas Tansaw massacre alix We're gonna put 30 seconds on the clock for you to describe for someone who's not yet seen the original the texas tansaw massacre What it's all about? Ready go, you know, i cj kind of stole my thunder here But i'm gonna i'm gonna go right into it. I'm gonna do my best john lewett voice The film which you are about to see is an account of the tragedy which befell a group of five youths in particular sallie hardesty and her invalid brother franklin It was all the more tragic in that they were young but had they lived very very long lives They could not have expected or would they have wished to see as much of the mad macabre as they were to see that day For then an idyllic summer afternoon drive became a nightmare The events of that day were to lead to the discovery of one of the most bizarre crimes in the annals of american history the texas tansaw massacre That's all i got I mean, that's it. Yeah. Yeah. I just can't do it better than that. No. Yeah, like what an intro like text scroll So dramatic the the voice everything about it. Uh, yeah And little what little would they know that that guy? john lewett would then be just like a staple of american television with like night court and everything like that and he came back Because I understand her I We'll we'll get into it. I haven't seen a lot of the sequels or remakes But they keep bringing him back to do That's you know similar narration like oh really bridging intros and everything like that still him He's still bound to do it apparently that's awesome. He can't replace that voice. I guess staying. Yeah Cool. Yeah, I was not familiar with uh who said that but yeah, that's really interesting Well, peace out. Okay. This this is my first endeavor into any of this Um, Alex and i've kind of warned you not not a horror guy Just a big big scaredy cat I I learned that after I I will say I apologize because I learned this after I pitched This film and then I started listening to some of your specifically your older october episodes And I I realized this and I was like, oh no, what have I done? But i'll also be very interested in what you Make of all of this. Yeah, I'm so excited to see what seems like I thought of this movie No apology necessary. I I know what i'm getting into okay Ken gets a little treat for this month And i'll do whatever he picks and stuff Uh, what a trooper. Yeah, the the narration at the start The one might like take away from the movie is like, oh, yeah, they're they're pretty much isn't a plot They like go to a house and then shit hits the fan and like that's it and that's the whole movie And you're alone for that ride. Yeah, that's the whole movie. Yeah, I don't think you need like a Summary it's a group of teens they show up at a house and they start going to guilt. That's that's my and it's and it's really It's one of the first Of like this was really like the well spring of that You know of that horror Clefé almost, you know, you could kind of you could keep going back and you can find some of that But it's it's more like there's a little bit like like the old dark house You get back to like the 30s and find some of that stuff But it's like it but that's more like it's more like ghostly haunted house kind of stuff Like there there's a little bit less of that like kind of like everybody's getting picked off and slaughtered sort of thing This really this really feels like the modern Template that they're still ripping off. It's movies. This is it's 50 year anniversary I don't know if you were going to mention that but that's what I realized after that's right after the fact I'm like, oh, this is 1974. So 50 years ago Yeah, yeah, but it's time this came out. This would have already happened But uh the beginning of October the music box theater in Chicago uh was going to be showing a Screening this for the 50s anniversary and I think they were having Someone in attendance who uh was in the movie or no, they have the original mask there They were they had the original mask at the screen. Oh I wonder if it's what does that thing look like now? It's gotta be just like pretty awful in the movies. Yeah That's gotta be like rubber though, right or something. It may have lasted the years I was watching I was watching a making of doc In preparation for this a little bit and the the makeup artist talks about Trying to replicate Like creating a formula to replicate the like the like what decaying skin would actually look like so it's like a combination of like Latex with like these like fiberglass some like kind of structuring element It is quite thin and translucent So I'm sure it what what what happens is it probably just keeps like getting like more and more discolored So I wonder if it's just like a completely different color now I wonder if it's just like a dark brown because in the movie it's like kind of got this like almost like jaundice yellow Yeah, kind of thing. So I I wonder if it's just a completely different color I wonder if they use the same kind of thing for the the grandpa mask or whatever the hell they did Yeah, I got it's a grandpa, but I don't know I would have loved to be that like a fly on the wall of that person coming home from work and their partner like I was work today, honey. Oh, you know like human skin. I'm trying to like recreate that They want a mask of that. Oh my good So Alex you were starting to get a little bit in the context of this movie and where it fits into the the horror landscape And yeah, you're absolutely right like this. This is super early on like this before even really slafers Or a thing right like this before Halloween friday 13th any of that. Yeah, it is a it is a proto slasher I think or one of one of the first again You can kind of find you know it goes back to psycho a little bit like you can you can kind of see some of that stuff There's a little bit the Italians are doing some stuff a little bit earlier They're more like mystery like murder mystery movies jalos But still like in terms of like that there's something also that feels just like so American about this movie and So So many ways so many wonderful horrible ways sure. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely So i'll tip my hand a little bit The Texas fans i'm asking is Personally, not one of my favorite horror movies And i'm sure cj is going to be a long the same thing as me Well, see, but i've always been curious like it's just not my cup of tea But I know it's huge and like it's going to create ratings and Everyone in the horror community besides me seems to love it And I I specifically wanted to talk about this one when you when you threw it out because I want to talk to someone who actually does Enjoy it and I I assumed you you do since you picked it And yeah, I just want to I want to maybe understand a little better like what what's appealing about this Movie and what why do you feel like it's it's uh lasted and uh it's to the test of time across uh fans All right, I will gladly go up to the defense stand and uh make my case for this for this movie Uh, and I guess it would start for me with like my first experience with this movie I was a I was very much actually a late bloomer into being a fan of horror I like when I was a kid. I was a big scaredy cat and Lots of stuff like in even in the most like innocuous movies would like make me uncomfortable Or I would have to run out of the room or things like that when I was growing up and then at a certain point That's so stupid. I just And at a certain point, I just decided like I don't know when but I was like I need to like understand this And I need to like almost like exposure therapy like get this out of like I need to like understand technically how this works I got interested in like movie makeup and costume design just Reading about it because I almost wanted to like prove to myself like no, this stuff is real Like this is how people make it, you know, whatever I remember one of the big things to me was the HR geeker alien design The scariest thing I had ever seen when I was like eight years old. I was like, what the fuck? I'm sorry I don't know about this wearing okay here, but We do it. It's like what in the fuck is that thing like this thing? That's just like dripping and eating people and whatever and then you know from there I just kind of I just kind of kept exploring and then at one point I Purchased a DVD of the of the original Texas chain saw massacre I think I might have been like 13 years old or something like that And I had I remember I had to like smuggle this thing into my house because my parents were very Protective of the kind of things I would watch and they would never ever You know, let me watch this thing because they didn't want to watch it either They're like this is ugly. This is disgusting And and I remember popping it in on the basement tv with uh with with my best friend And it starts And I think the movie is like like I think the disc is broken almost the way this movie starts With those like after the scroll and then there's like a little bit of black and then you just start to get like Like and he's like weird like little It feels so jagged and yeah, yeah all the decomposing bodies that have been dug out of the graves or whatever that you discover You know later on But I remembered for a minute thinking like is this thing like is this what I had never seen anything like this before And it felt immediately wrong to me Like I was like I dug this thing up out of the dirt or something like that like this isn't You know, it's the it was the and I had been pretty desensitized at that point To like horror movies and gore and all this other stuff but This was the first time in in in like that I could remember that I was like immediately like the vibes are off here And it felt to me and as I continued to watch it up to Again the very very abrupt ending in the way that it ends which I think is just among some of the most like perfect endings in movie history period if not horror movie history This thing it's like The the metaphor that I came up with that what you know that scene in lord of the rings Where saruman is is digging up the iraq high in the first lord of the rings movie And the goblins are like pulling them up out of these like amniotic sacks And we're taking them open and this thing just comes out of the muck Screaming and wanting to heal And and and then like that that's like what I think this movie is Like some like perfect movies and perfect horror movies almost like john carpenters halloween and some other ones There's like a there is an elegance to how this thing is constructed where it feels like I'm in the hands of masters. I'm in the hands of People who are exacting on a lot of control over the movie. I'm watching right like there's a thrill In being like kind of strung along that way This feels like it was dug out of the dirt by madmen and just thrown out into the world In a way that feels wild and raw And unsafe The whole thing feels unsafe while i'm watching it like there are still like while i'm watching that movie I'm like that looks like that guy just got hit in the head with a sledgehammer and went down Like it looks real to me And when leatherface is chasing maryland burns and he's screaming her head off And he's swaying that thing and it looks like it's a half an inch from her back And i'm like that I can't believe nobody died making this like this looks this looks real and it looks dangerous in a way that like makes me uncomfortable Yeah, and I think it is a perfect wild thing That can't be duplicated and maybe almost shouldn't But I still also think it was made with a certain kind of even though it feels very Very wild and very unkempt There is kind of an artistry underneath it that I think kind of gives it a lot of immediacy And we could you know, I could talk for hours about All of the things I see under the surface of the like the perversion of the american family That i'm seeing in here and the weird blend like it's also kind of funny in a really like weird and messed up way Yeah, there's just I don't know I could go in like 10 different directions with this thing But like i'm always in awe of it When i'm watching it and I and I don't think it has an equal It's just kind of I guess like the the the the nut cell version of like and and and why it may not be like Scared necessarily. I also think it's feeding into a personal fear of mine Which is like what is going on in like the weird dark corners of the american landscape I am from the american mountain west I grew up in color auto and and I remember when I was a teenager driving around like certain like Even non-populated areas just outside my hometown like when you get out past a certain point And you don't have and you don't have like streetlights anymore But you're seeing houses and people live out there But they don't want to but they live out there for a reason And you don't want to know what that reason is You know and and I also remember driving through certain parts of the country and thinking if my car breaks down And I don't have cell service like I could disappear And nobody could know what happened to me And this movie is like yes that fear is real these people are real Not only that it's worse than you could ever imagine And for me it just feeds into like i'm not scared of like like the ghost the supernatural That stuff doesn't really like like I don't have a real fear of that But that stuff feels very Even if this movie and the exact like Mill you of it doesn't feel real to me It feels like the kind of worst case scenario that you could make up in your brain When your car is broke down on the side of the road of a desert area of the united states like Absolutely, it's it's what a blast of like imagination and madness Sorry, I talked a lot, but hopefully that gives you a good You know what it gives me context to maybe understand why it doesn't or it didn't hit As it's hard for me. I've only seen this movie Like one and a half times. I think I caught part of it at another film festival And didn't see the whole thing and then I for this actually sat down and watched the whole thing But I think that the problem for me is I watched it so late in my horror journey Then i've seen so many other things that Do probably we're trying to imitate what Texas chainsaw massacre did That when I watched this I am so jaded and Thought by all the other have all the other things running around in my head that it just it didn't Scared me in the way that it probably did for you that first time you watched it But the interesting thing that you threw out was the the kind of like found feeling of it like the fact that you brought this home and it was Something you needed to hide and it felt wrong to watch Like that's scary. And yeah, I totally see that in this movie And I think I just need to view it through maybe a different lens or maybe a more I was gonna say like childlike lens, but like you know like like a more innocent lens to maybe get the full impact of it But to take that premise all the way see here. I want to ask you what you thought of this movie I'm very curious. Yeah Like kind of what you were saying is kind of what I run into most of these months is because people are talking about like I haven't seen any of the classics really like Last year we did the Blair witch project for example And I know at the time that was like a huge thing, but I've never seen it and so seeing it for the first time last year You're just like oh, yeah, that was fine Like it doesn't have as big of a like an impact This one for me like some the takeaways were I think nowadays with movie you are used to a good amount of like Backstory and explanation and stuff like that and this there is like none of that You have no clue why the people are the way they are. It's just it's just like thrown out there Oh, well. They just like killing people. They're like, oh, okay. That's it. All right. Well, it's their food. Yeah. That's yeah They butchering eat that they have they have a slaughterhouse. Yeah, that's yeah And he does make a reference to like not being able to afford stuff. So they're my family's always been in meat. Yeah Creepy just hear that again See And I love and I love that there's no I love that there's no explanation for this beyond we kill and eat you It's what we've done our whole lives. We do it the old way We do it with the sledgehammer. We butcher with the chainsaw and and that's kind of why I'm also interested Ken as a horror guy and as a franchise guy like Considering that this is maybe my favorite horror movie of all time and that I'm very curious and interested in horror franchises I've never been interested in this as a franchise Um, and I don't know if if if you feel you probably feel the same way because you've never had much of a strong connection to it But I'm interested in like the halloween's and the nightmare and elm streets on the friday the thirteenths to some extent Yeah, even the child's plays. That's kind of secretly one of my favorite franchises is child's play. Um, when that's maybe that's a conversation for another time But um, but this one I was like I I almost have like no curiosity to see any of the like eight attempts They've made to try to recapture this because I'm like you just can't no So we'll get into that a little bit more in the trivia section, but like yeah, there's a bunch of sequels and remakes and it's it's all over the place in terms of When it came out, but also like the quality. I from what I understand. I've only seen maybe one or two of these other ones Probably before the original but like yeah, it's it's all over the place. So yeah, 100% agree that I mean my favorite horror movie franchise is friday thirteenth. I just went to a marathon of that at the music box recently as well and that was amazing But like I don't is there much continuity between the sequels even I don't think there is No, really two or three, but I don't know And even now I've I've seen the second and the third one Beyond beyond the original. I haven't seen any other remakes or anything like that And the second one was directed by tobi hooper as well who directed the first one And he came to it like 10 years later specifically with the idea of like i'm not going to duplicate that So i'm going to find a different approach, which is more of like a like a carnival barker It leans more into like the carnival barker comedy Aspect of it where it's more satirical and more just like kind of like Like like it's goria. You're seeing heads cut in half like there's the it's the production design is more extravagant They got denis hopper and they're hamming it up like it's it's it's pretty ridiculous And I like that one for what it is and and Appreciating his understanding that it's like I need to this is technically the same family kind of You know there are a couple of the actors that they pour over from the first one And they're like the jobs that they all hold in the family are very similar But the approach is different and what they're doing is different that they now have like a successful barbecue Stand that that people flock from from all over texas because the best barbecue in texas And we all know what they're eating That sounds good. I've heard a lot about the texas fantasy massacre too and basically a comedy Even though he was directed by the same toby hooper But I I never saw it off because again, this isn't my franchise But that sounds good and I think seems they would probably enjoy that a little more you get you should watch it It's fun. It's it's it by by toby hooper's account. It was Compromised it was a canon films production. I don't know who can if you're familiar with the canon No, they did a lot of like like they they made a few movies with hooper. They also did um Life force and invaders from mars if you ever saw those Um, those are kind of like those were the those were the um the the ones that they did with him They also did a lot of like they did a lot of stellone moop like like kind of like trashy action movies like cobra stellones cobra And um a lot of tuck noris movies missing an action things like that They were like a big like repository of of of 80s kind of cut rate d movies Okay, and uh, but they also kind of like Ruled with an iron fist and toby hooper said like oh they kind of took this away from me It's like I still kind of like it, but it's not exactly the thing I set out to do But it I I think it's it's still very much worth watching But i'm curious uh, you said all that cj, but i'll just i'll ask straight up. Did you like this movie? Yeah No, I don't think it's for me. I I knew it. Uh Couple couple of parts I want to talk about specifically because you brought up humor there was one part where I laughed out loud, which is Sally the main scream queen makes it out of the house and runs back to the gas station that they stopped at earlier Sort of gets the attention of the guy working there She's freaking out. He's like, okay. I'll get the car like hold on And then she realizes oh no he comes back with rope and she's like oh crap Grapes a knife and then the guy just starts smacking her with a broom over That really got me that was just like what a what interesting choice of a weapon Just like smacking her in the face with a broom and then it worked. It did work Yeah, can't argue with results like us And then the the ending Where it basically credits roll after what I will call like A chainsaw interpretive dance while the sun is coming up Yes, it's frustrated apparently it was It's one of those things where at the time. I think I literally out loud to myself went what I was not expecting that at all like I guess it makes sense in that the main character like got away But then for it to like still have that shot and then like goes to credits. I that was that took me by surprise. I guess It did for me too again. I thought the disc was broken. I thought it skipped or something the first time I Watched it, but now I just I I just love it. I think it's what a what a note to end on It's like it's weirdly beautiful to the time of day that they get it and that and that he's backlit by this sun And it's like it's almost like he's doing a dance. Yeah, and and and it sums up to me I think what's so compelling to to go to your theme can of like this The of what makes letterface compelling as a as a monster to me and and watching it this newest time I it it became like very apparent to me that The movie weirdly gives him moments alone to kind of be in reflection in very strange ways and to weirdly kind of Let you into his headspace in a way that will like never quite understand what this guy is about and why he's doing what he's doing But you at least realize oh he experiences like sadness and disappointment and frustration And he doesn't know how to express himself. He's nonverbal He just kind of grunts and make these makes these weird squealing noises for the whole movie But I also think back to this other moment about halfway through the movie where he after like Subdueing a couple of people who come into the house He gets frustrated. He like opens up the window. You almost see him get nervous He's like where are these people coming from right and he sits in the living room and puts his head in his hands He's like, what am I gonna do? And like and I'm getting goosebumps thinking about it. It just kind of make it sent a pill up my spine this time I was like this is like this is weird. Yeah. No, that's a good call out. Yeah, I like yeah that That moment specifically. I was like, oh this He's maybe not just a monster. We're like, this is his home and people just keep for some fucking reason walking through the front door I at that moment. I was thinking Has he done anything really wrong? Yeah, actually like all he's doing is like protecting his house So for other me other than you know tapping people up in little bits But it's it's a perversion of these american family values that they keep kind of putting forth And they give you these little moments these little like sneaky bits into like These other people's headspace and that's almost what makes it worse and more wrong to me Like again that wrong feeling that like turns in my gut when i'm watching it. I'm like, yeah Oh, yeah, like that's a little I don't know they like they've made me for like a Fraction of a second field bat for this guy that When the dad like drives back and is just like beating the shit out of leatherface. You're like, all right. Jesus like take it easy Like yeah, that was where you I felt like a little bat for him, you know Again reminding myself that he just like slaughtered of people but but yeah, he's like, well, okay He's got a parrot. That's abusive. That can't be fun Yeah, and also that moment where maryland bern Going back to that ending when maryland berns is driving away and she's like laughing Yeah, like he's in a complete state of the sock Where it's like you know, i don't know like Sometimes and what's weird is like a lot of these people you don't see them again in other movies uh, like They a lot of these guys didn't go on to have like very long or illustrious careers They were all just like some people they found locally And they're so for me at least they are so Good in this movie and everything is firing so hard that like but like That that's what adds to this thing feeling like You know like a discovered like a piece of found art or something like that where like You see that and and that face is associated with that movie You know, damely kurtis is is an oscar winner and he has this like other like wonderful career And she's a great actress and and i associate her with so many other things now beyond just being lory strode But like but but maryland berns will always be in the back of that truck covered in blood crying so hard since laughing Yeah, like that and and that is what that movie will always be to me and that's like i don't know That's just like kind of crystallizes it in my brain that ending my thoughts on the movie overall aside that ending is Really beautiful like you like you and there's no music Yeah. Yeah, that's another thing like Towards towards the end of it and all you're hearing at the end is him Throwing that thing around throwing a little tantrum Yeah, and then that's the note we end on I also going back to what you were said and like How uh you were surprised that no one got hurt filming this movie Because like whatever he's holding is definitely on like there's smoke coming out of it like i'm sure I hope that it actually isn't you know the normal Chain part and as maybe what they do I think is they remove the blades. Yeah, but there's still a thing running through it Oh, i'm so people got hurt That's I can almost guarantee you that's any time that that guy Leatherface is like running through the woods and like what happens if that guy trips Even if it is just like rubber or something like that still seems like that would hurt Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm just I'm surprised no one died. I'm sure people got hurt Yeah, it's specific I know random bits of trivia just from getting the trivia portion together that didn't make it into it But uh the main actress when she was running through like the brambles or whatever those stick things were She got cut up like a lot and a lot of the blood on like her clothing is like her own real blood because she For sure. Oh wow during that And When they were trying to do the scene where like they cut her finger and then they stuck it in grandpa's mouth They couldn't get the blood pump to work or something like that. And so they ended up actually cutting her finger And using her real blood for I think Some of that scene, I I don't know all the details, but hate that something like that happened. It's yucky My my wife came downstairs While that was playing on the tv Um, whereas there's a really turned around and like putting her finger in the in the grandpa's mouth And she just looks and and my my my wife molly is not into The she she's not into horror movies whatsoever. She's like you and uh and she just looks she's like cool And That dinner that dinner seems another all-timer for me Um, and it's specifically it's the moment that the the gitter grandpa Moment or they're where they're holding her in front of the bucket and and again they're saying that's like We're doing this the old like the old way is the best way That's like grandpa with the sledgehammer is like he was the best he was the best at this And he's just like completely decrepit and barely alive and he just and they're just holding her there and he keeps Kind of trying to swing The hammer and he drops it and he whatever and she just can't and it's like it's not even she can't even get The the the the benefit of a swift death. It just has to keep you know, uh, like this hammer just keeps Lightly swinging past her head while they're holding her there and everybody's screaming and it just I don't know What I would love to know how they decided on like the length of that scene Yeah, because I feel like like short enough wouldn't be Unsettling enough and then it went on for a while. I was like, oh my god They're still going. This is like but it does I think just build and build and build and you're like is this where she finally dies? Is she gonna die? And yeah, your point weirdly like in a really fucked up way funny like it's funny. Yeah, watch It's a weird little like bizarre tableau to be watching where they're where they keep insisting He's the best slaughter in texas whatever like this he knows how to do this and it's just nope in the whole hammer Yeah And and also a weird call back to the beginning of the movie where they pick up the hitchhiker in the van And they talk about the different ways in which cows get slaughtered. They talk about the airgun Yeah, and I think was made very famous in no country for old men As as and Tom figures a weapon of choice And and that the hitchhiker goes like no, but the sledgehammer was the best way like the you know That's really that's the good way to do it And then there you go an hour later it comes back or they're like cheering grandpa on as he's like trying to You know, there's there's that's one of those things that's like weirdly in there like the That that I think is always kind of in like the American psyche and in the rural american psyche as well if like the old ways versus the new ways Why can't we have it like the good old days like that was better like why can't we preserve that? Why can't we go back to that? I'm towing a certain line here, but I'm sure there's a lot of analysis that has gone into this movie. Yeah, I'll let I'll let your listeners Yeah, fill in the rest of the blanks there and and and and how and how like perverse and messed up That looks in practice, you know, yeah, well, I got to make a hard transition here because it's time for trivia That's right for listeners the trivia portion of our show we put our guests and see your head to head to see who knows the most But what we watched although I'm pretty sure we already know who that is Alex see your YouTube ready ready to lose. Yeah, we'll see. I'll do my best I'm going to say for all of these cj could answer first just to Like not spill the beans on what the right answer is because Alex. I'm sure we'll have no all of these Or maybe we'll see that's that's a lot of protein. Well, we'll back it off. All right first question How many films are in this franchise including this film and any remakes? oof Uh, I know there's no frame of reference I want to say at least like two remakes because even just like googling this You get so many rates. So like trying to make sure I was watching the actual one seven Okay, Alex. I'm Pretty so I'm not 100 percent sure, but I'm pretty sure it's nine Wow. Oh, yeah, it's nine Wow Let me see if I can do it. Okay. Can I see if I can rattle them all off? Yeah, please Okay, so there's the original there's Texas chainsaw two. There's leather face Texas chainsaw massacre three and then And then there's the fourth one which is the return of the Texas chainsaw massacre at least that's one of the titles It went by that was the one with Matthew McConaughey and Renee zell writer Famously, and then we had and then there was none until the remake The the platinum doing three make and then that had a prequel right the beginning that's right Then Texas chainsaw 3d was the next one I had to get a 3d one in there. That was great and then There was I have two more and then there was Let the one that was just called leather face that was like made by these like french directors and like sat on a shelf for like five years And then and then there was then and then there was the netflix one that was like released a couple years ago Yeah, well, dang amazing good job Bravo dang Well For for this not even being like like you said like your like your Francis are like one of your favorite france sizes overall Like that was impressive. Oh, I'm just sick in the head. I just like I know all of these things because I'm sick I couldn't tell you what I had for breakfast that we could go over and tell you look at the show, baby That's what takes up all the space in your head. Yeah, absolutely All right next question. How many people are killed by a chainsaw in this movie? Ooh. Oh wow. I think it's just the one That's what i'm gonna go with one. Okay Alex, I think I think on screen. I think it might just be only one. I think you're right seep dead Yep, just the one just the wheelchair because frank franklin definitely gets Franklin gets killed with the chainsaw. Oh, we didn't talk about franklin Oh my god one of the great horror movie victims in history franklin Sally's as they say invalid brother quote. Oh, yeah Um, what a what great like uh, uh, uh, what great disabled person representation actually Like legitimately because he is a member of the group And he is, you know, but there is like weirdly like no sympathy for him Like he is really just another member of the group and he's kind of whiny and he's kind of annoying And he has kind of weirdly the best personality as a result Uh, you just you remember him so much, but I think it's just franklin, right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah Yeah, he's the only one. I mean we see Um, one of the other guys get like cut up, but he's only dead, but he's already dead Yeah, he was hit with hammer. So Yeah The the only one I couldn't remember was the one that they the one that they that he hangs up on the meat hook at the same Time as he's carving up the other person, but you never see her Yeah, that's it. He's just in the meat freezer later, but that yeah, he's still alive at that point He could have survived. Yeah, the only confirmed one is franklin. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, all right. I'm on the board Yes, good work today. I'm proud of you Okay, I'm not sure on this question and Alex feel free to call out if if this doesn't actually make sense, but uh How many different masks did leatherface wear in this movie? Oh Because i'll be honest. I didn't notice any difference in in masks, but this was an idb trivia So um, so at the dinners, maybe what it's referencing at the dinner scene He puts makeup on the mask, but I I assumed that was still the same one And he had just literally like taken lipstick or whatever and like Put it over. So my answer would still be just the one Okay, I I think they are two distinct masks Uh, that that's two that I can say for sure. I'm not sure if he ever changes the mask beyond that But but it is I believe because it's with like a wig and everything like that Like he was truly dressed up like a like a family matriarch like serving dinner Gotcha again. You heard a whole dissipation on that. Wow. You know, I even noticed that honestly, but that's really interesting Uh, I don't know. I just saw him wearing random crap on his head that that's all my wearing process for some reason Um, I don't know idb trivia says there's three the the killing mask The lady mask and the pretty woman mask. Mm-hmm. I don't know. No, I'm that I I wouldn't be surprised if there are three distinct masks. That's just what I couldn't remember I know that the dinner mask is distinct. Um, so I can't I can't say for sure about the third one, but I trust him Okay. All right. Well, I'm DB never been wrong. Right. Yeah. Oh, totally. Yeah, never. Yeah. Yeah, you got a 100 track record Exactly Okay, this is gonna be really interesting because I don't think this is actually said in this movie But what is the name of the leatherface family? And this is multiple toys just to give a shot to cj. Thank you No, I don't know this either. So oh great perfect Is it a the Thompson family? B the Hewitt family C the Sawyer family Or d the Hudson family. I'll just perfectly average normal sounding I said, I'm gonna go Hudson. Okay. I Believe now that you've said them I wouldn't have been able to pull it, but I believe it's Sawyer That's correct. Yeah, it's a Sawyer family. I didn't know that I don't know. I they don't they yeah, they don't say it in the movie. Um, again, I'm in this way. It's a cj Not important No, not important I think it becomes a thing in the second one where they're a family that has like a business and they're a little bit like they're They're more prominent and distinct characters That's uh, yeah, but I believe it's yeah. There you go. So here perfect. All right next question Entertainment weekly uh released a top 50 cult films of all time list. I don't know when But they did at some point. What where did this rank on that list? See this where Like personally it would be lower. It was probably like I'll say like 37 Okay, Alex any any guess? I have a feeling I don't think I have a vague memory of maybe having read this list at some point had an entertainment weekly subscription when I was a teenager Actually, it's gotta be I have the feeling it's in the top 10. I'm gonna guess eight Uh number six, but you wow That was incredible Wow, no, I was truly But I was like it feels like like there is like a you know Like fan conventions are basically built around the people who worked on this movie Like if you think about it, there's just like oh wait somebody there Like that was what gunner hansen who played leatherface just did this thing for the rest of his life Basically like that was what it is bills. So Makes sense. All right. Next question Uh, what infamous serial killer inspired leatherface? Alex for sure knows this but I'll put do a multiple choice for cj. Was it a Dennis radar C ed game I'm sorry be ed game. C Joseph James d'Angelo or d David Berkowitz For some real serial killers. The second one sounds the most familiar to my in my mind. So I'm going to say ed game Okay, Alex your correct cj. It's ed ed game. Um, it's correct. Funny enough was the inspiration for the psycho serial killer as well Oh, I don't know that. Yeah, because he had mommy issues. He had uh, he had his uh, I think he held on to his mom's corpse. That's right. Oh cool. All right. How are we doing on point suit? Alex is up five to two Okay, this is the last question What is the rotten tomatoes tomato score for the texas chainsaw massacre in percentage Closest without going over for those who don't know this is the critic scoring rotten tomatoes Alex is certainly you'll go first to give cj and ed's I'm getting maybe one more point, but I don't think it matters Got it. That's got to be in the 90s. I feel like like this thing is, you know Pretty unimpeachable. I think in terms of that kind of reception. I'm gonna guess 93 Okay. Okay. Now really do I think it is higher or too high? Mm-hmm. Uh, that's a good guess right in the middle there Uh, I'll say that's too high. So I will go one dollar bob See you get the point. Yes. Uh, just a little too high though 89 percent Wow, it didn't quite make 90 not quite good work man. It's like that from me Uh, but Alex is our winner by far. Congratulations But far it's what it's five to three I think that was uh, I think that was an excellent showing cj. I'm impressed. I got a point You just you did much better than I thought you would. Yeah, absolutely Uh, just for fun. What do you think the right the letterbox score is? This is out of five to one decimal point and this is just every day joe schmo is rating it From their armchairs. I don't I don't remember the score, but when I went to check it in a letterbox I do remember friends I follow on there and like all of them were giving it like four or five stars So I think this is probably one of the few ones that is over a four on letterbox I'm gonna guess like a four point two Okay, that was that was what I was going to guess as well. So just for the sake of variety. I'm going to say four point one Okay, you're a little closer three point eight Four for every body. I follow on letter boxes like five stars. Huh. Yeah. No, I and if you look at the breakdown It is significantly skewed to the right. I'm meaning that most people really really enjoy it Um, but yeah, it's just the way that I think every's out on letterbox It just for some reason these numbers never seem to break a three. I don't know why. Yeah, um very strange Uh, but yeah, I think that takes us to our our ratings That's a great song. Thank you Alex on a scale of one to ten. What would you rate the texas faints? I'm asaker for you This is a no-no. It's 10 out of 10 masterpiece for me. Uh, I think that was quite apparent the way I was talking about it Is that what you do when somebody says that? It's almost as 10 out of 10. Yeah, I don't I don't think I've heard enough of sober Somebody says 10 out of that. That's funny. I love that. Um, yeah, no, that's that's why I pitched it That's why I again like if somebody put a gun to my head and said best horror movie of all time This is this this is what I have said and would say it is one of my favorite movies of all time And again, I I just like I wouldn't know What to do differently with this like this just feels like a thing that emerged fully formed and uh I don't revisit it very often like it's not I don't consider it to be a super rewatchable movie But I think for what it is there's just I think it kind of doesn't have an equal but That's just me. I I think you're in the uh the majority there Maybe not on this podcast, but in life, uh for sure You giving me the uh the the ground to Stump for it as as much as I rambled on it did so thank you I mean, that's my rating. I'll I'll tell you I think you convinced me at least a bit on this. Okay, um Or brought me around on it, but cj what would you rate this movie for? Yeah For me I think I honestly yeah, I I was gonna say the same like talking about it Maybe has given it another like point or two in my book. I think Having having you describe it and talk about it more I can see it in a different light a bit. Uh, but but but you got it. You got to do you man Well, it's like this real. Yeah, it's all good. I'm not the audience for this film Uh, I will not be rewatching this it is just yeah, it was unexpected but maybe not necessarily really in a bad way, but uh, I think I'll probably give it like a six Okay, but I will give it credit Saying that that it is different like I I agree with again I don't know the the franchises or the horror genre in general But like it did feel unique even though the stuff I have been watching for this show It you can tell it's like oh this yeah This was maybe the original template for some of that and it Yeah, and I did love that you were just kind of like There's maybe 10 minutes of like setup and then it's like oh and somebody's dead. Okay. Oh, wow. Okay. All right Yeah, Ken. Yeah, I mean yeah, this is very different from The other horror movies that we watched previously and watching it. I kept thinking about ucj Watching this And being like this is probably something I'm like anything he's seen before at least on the show Um, just think about me crying having nightmares at the end of the night If you watch it today, or have you slept since you watched it? I have slept since I watched it. I watched it the other day. Yeah, okay. Good. I'm glad you were able to sleep so far so Uh For me, like I already mentioned like this for just whatever reason just isn't for me I don't know why like I I have a big horror guy just this one for for whatever reason just doesn't Doesn't hit for me But yeah, like like see you said like talking about it with you today Alex, I think you've pointed out a lot of the good qualities of this movie actually and And thinking back on it. It's really changed the way that I Viewed it because I know when I was done viewing it other than actually enjoying the ending. I was thinking like This wasn't for me, but but yeah, I don't know. I feel like I got to watch it again. Not right away But at some point um in it you would have a different light I think because it's like it's just something you can turn on from streaming now, right? Like it's not It's not available. It used to be right. Yeah And it's it's so hyped up to because it's one of the classics like everyone knows letterface And that's it was hyped up for me before I even watched it the first time too So it probably just didn't all of that just kind of took some of it for me probably but For me, I'll give it a I wasn't even able to 6cj. I was going to give it like a 5.5 for me like I it's I don't know It's just for whatever reason isn't it's just not for me But I my letterbox rating is not going to drag this down at all like this is definitely one of the classics and one of the Probably one of the best horror movies of all time. It's just for whatever reason Personally, I don't know if I just I can't I can't do it, but you got to do you man. It's all again. It's all it's all good Numb numbers. What are these things? Anyway, you know, they're so they're movies They're pieces of art. You got to reflect on them with what you bring to them It's all yeah And I I feel like this is unfortunately a reoccurring theme on this show that the first time we had a guest on They bring on something I love and for whatever reason cj and I don't love it That's okay. And then I feel awful because I'm like, oh, the first time they're on or so and like they love it No, it's it's it's it's a discussion. It's it's You know that that makes for a more interesting discussion. Absolutely exactly. Yeah But I appreciated the opportunity to come in here and talk about it I realized I had never really spoken about it like this before is a very like internal movie for me And and it was fun to to talk about it with people and kind of explore why You know, yeah, I mean, yeah, you definitely had some very well formed forms on it So I really appreciate your take and it helped me understand this movie a bit more too So that's very much Alex. Can I ask you guys a question? Sure. Yeah, and and I'm almost Well, I'm interested in both of your answers to this But but maybe especially cj's and you'll see why what is what is your favorite horror movie of all time? Like what is like like like gun to your head like what what is the one year? What is the one you're coming back to where like this? This is everything I want out of the genre What's what's funny is last week the guest asks us the exact same question So the answer for both of us oddly enough is the thing Yeah, the thing is really good. I mean Carpenters a master. Yeah, like when you're in when you're in his hands and he's like going off like nothing's better Yeah, we're carpenter boys. I think I'm That's a desert island horror movie for me for sure It's just and the boating makeup is just absolutely out of control. Yeah, like again like talk about a thing I've never seen anything like before or since, you know, yeah, yeah incredible artistry. Yeah, it's amazing Yeah, that that at least for me like it's that's on a whole nother level from 99% of everything I've ever seen so yeah. Yeah. Oh, you got to have me come back to talk about green road man. Uh, oh, yeah Because have you seen green room? No, I it's like it's about a punk band. Yeah. I do know your mohawk Yeah, oh god, dude. You're gonna love it. Um, or god. I at least I hope you will and he just dropped a new movie on netflix Uh, rebel ridge maybe one of the best movies. I've seen this year Netflix just dropped it like a wet fart last week on their streaming service like this is not about it. Yeah, exactly But it's incredible. Um, so I don't know. Maybe we could If I haven't completely fit the bed, maybe you have me back Because I very well spoken guess you will definitely be back on if you're willing to come back. Yeah. Oh, yeah, any time My my doors always open because I can draw a straight line from jeremy saw me to uh john carpenter That's my like that's my big like if you like that will be my TED talk that I bring to that one All right, perfect. Well, yeah, thank you again for your time. Yeah, um, before we we let you go and hear your pleasure I just want to share with the audience what what's coming up next week for Classic horror movie villain and monster month that doesn't really roll off the tongue quite like monster month last year did But anyway, yeah next week. We're gonna have chrisa back on and we're gonna talk about saw So jigsaw is the the villain this time. I have seen that have you I wasn't sure if you had or not I've seen a few of those. I've yeah, really. Yeah. Mm-hmm. That's surprisingly enough All right. Well, we'll be talking about that next week. So stay tuned and uh, thank you again, Alex Do you have anything you want to plug at the end here or any any words of wisdom? It's been first. It's been such a pleasure guys. This has been so fun. Thank you so much for having me. Um, thank you Yeah, no really. I don't know Maybe if if if you're if your listeners are interested check out the the and they live in chicago check out the chicago decase Events calendar we have stuff that goes on all year round a lot of my call I specifically I think my colleagues in the music and performing arts divisions I think put together some really cool stuff all the time We won't have a lot going on in october. Uh, we have a pretty busy september that's when we're recording this now But uh, I tried to I tried to keep october pretty clear because everybody else just does such wonderful programming in chicago for horror movies Um, and I don't want to step on anybody's toes, but if your listeners are interested I i'm really only on letterbox these days and even them sporadically, but they could follow me at the vaz vaz That's where I log whatever the heck it is i'm watching and um, I love seeing what other people are watching So throw me a follow I'll follow you after this. I love Letterbox awesome. Well, thank you again. Uh cj. What do we have? You can follow us on all of the things at over talking pod email the show at over talking pod at gmail.com You can call our texas at usacats 1 5 9 1 or go to our website over talking pod dot party And Alex, I know you said you listened to old episodes. So hopefully this isn't super weird Or maybe you turned it off by this point, but we'll see Uh, oh no, they're here Oh, man, they're they're swinging in with king saws dancing around with them Uh, it's the over talking to the lords guides They're they're here in my meter by you if you like to still be scone apple podcast and spotify and rate and review where applicable Reviews are what help people finance podcast also we spend it in money and advertising. So if you like to still be still the friend It's where the word would really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. And uh, they turn off the chainsaws and they're safely putting them away That's pretty safe. Uh, and they didn't have the blades on anyway Yeah, there's rubber eyes that are fake. They're very safe. Yeah Uh, and as we always say at the end of every single episode Do you want me to read the entire thing? Start it. We'll figure it out the show. It's lovely. Make them mad and macabre Bye. Bye Howdy y'all this episode of the over talking podcast was produced by ken and cj edited by cj This week's guest was Alex Vasquez Music by Justin Peters logo by night Richards check out mates work on instagram at night Richards designs (upbeat music)
