Two Peas in a Podcast
Episode 122 - Clayton Lindley
Clayton Lindley is one of the most well-known and well-respected professional scooter riders in the world. Known for his daredevil mindset and can-do attitude he continues to spread the love of scooter industry all over the globe.
In his spare time Clayton is the owner of Ragtown Media and co-owner of Undialed.
To connect with Clayton directly please reach out to:
https://www.ragtownmedia.com/
https://www.instagram.com/claytonlindley/
- Broadcast on:
- 10 Oct 2024
- Audio Format:
- other
I love that countdown. Clayton, first and foremost, thank you for sharing your valuable time with me and our audience. We love you. We appreciate you being here. I love you too, bro. Great meeting you. Great meeting you. Now you do a lot of things. So I'll let you kick off by telling us who it is that you are and what you do. So I was born at a young age. And no, so I grew up in Amarillo, Texas, down the country. I always have done kind of like, I've always been in athletics. My parents were awesome and put me in to a bunch of different sports whenever I was younger. So I play basketball, track, football, and then pretty much soccer was my main sport, but then they even put me in like karate. They put me in fencing. I cried the first time. I know good memories. I know. And and so, oh, and then I guess I did like some gymnastic stuff. So as time went on, I, I started going to this, this Christian school until third grade. And it was on the clear other side of Amarillo, which is where I grew up, Amarillo, Texas. And finally, I was like, mom dad, why don't I go to the school right down the street so I can meet people like in my little neighborhood because we lived in a little country neighborhood. There's probably like 120 houses, maybe in total. And so fourth grade, I go to this public school. And then all of a sudden, I meet so many people from my neighborhood. It was, it was great. My hair is going wild. But I meet so many people from my neighborhood. And it turns out there's 54 of us within a two year age range of each other. And we're all into like doing crazy stuff like skateboarding, rollerblading, longboarding. Four wheelers, dirt bikes, like you name it. Everyone had some tool. And so it got pretty wild. But if you think about 54 of us, you know, hanging out, obviously we wouldn't hang out at the same time. But our core group was like 20 of us, like 15 of us. And we would just like cause mayhem. We'd have like wars in the neighborhoods. We'd run around with like air soft guns and stuff like it was crazy. It was crazy. So we all had like, we were all obsessed with jackass and nitrous circus. So me and my my friends Camden and Justin and Bradley, we would always like film stuff. We would build jumps. We would Like anything you could think of that would be dumb. We would try it. Like we'd pull each other behind a four wheeler on a on a Just a skateboard deck and put just like metal rails in there and grind them. And then we'd have like little The old, I forgot what they're called a little kicker, these like plastic kicker ramps. We put them in the we'd like wax them down and then pull each other as if it's like a wakeboard jump. And we would eat shit land on cactuses. It was crazy. So, so with all of these skills that I had on top of that, my dad is a director. So I'm a second generation filmmaker. And so I would go on to sets with him. I would do I would help him, you know, basic grip. So I would be his bitch for the evening. So it's like I'm carrying electrical cords. He's like, I need this lens. I go and I run and grab the lens. He needs. He needs coffee. I run and grab coffee, whatever. So I grew up doing that for a while. And so we did TV shows, documentaries, tons of commercials and so and then all my friends were also filming at the same time. So I had this love for filming. So Me and my buddy, we find obviously this is not I'm 28. So whenever we were In our teenage years is when YouTube was kind of starting. So YouTube was like a big thing. And I can we came across freestyle scooters. We're like, yo, this is kind of dope. Like we we we BMX we skate and we do gymnastics and this and the scooter is kind of like all three of those put together. Yeah, so so me and him start messing around and he had like some ramps and rails in front of the yard. So we were like practicing on those and we'd like, I think eventually we built a half pipe and stuff. We don't know what we're doing. So it was like very bad, but it was a half bite. So better than nothing. Exactly. Yeah. So We Yeah, so I start getting pretty good on the scooter start filming myself filming. I meet all the people to skate park once I got my license. So I could actually when I could actually drive into town. And I started getting pretty good and I got sponsored. I went down to this like contest down in Dallas and Dallas kind of like the first time meeting the like the scooter community and time went on. So I was like, I'm going to move to California. I hate taxes. I hate being here. Everyone is stuck here and no one has the mindset of branching out and live in their life. So I send it to California. I work at two skate parks full time. One skate park was Escondido skate park at Escondido and I was basically a lifeguard. So I could ride my scooter the entire time that I was working. And the skate park is insane. Like if if you know, if you know skate parks and you've been to Escondido, it's like pretty pretty gnarly place. And then I also worked at Claremont skate park in San Diego. So I had access to two of literally the best skate parks in San Diego at all times. So At Claremont, I would ride every morning before they opened. And this is when they had the old old big section. So I would just be right by myself for like two hours before they opened. Now do lessons in the morning for the YMCA Work for a little bit at the front desk and then ride the rest of the day. Or I would wrap up there and drive to Escondido, which where I would ride again. So this progression level was just like exponential because I was riding living all the time. And was getting paid for it for my sponsor and From the government. So Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Thanks, Obama at the time. When you started riding, how many people were scootering and how many people did you know who were like, Hey, this is a terrible idea. You're just wasting your time. Um, I mean, like skaters always say, Oh, you're wasting time. Like, why don't you skate? Like, why aren't you such a pussy? And I'm like, you realize I'm like way more athletic and way more skilled than you in every aspect. Like, I can skate better than you. I don't know. Whatever. But, but, uh, those were really the only people. And then obviously the people That I grew up with, they, you know, not all of them, but some of them were obviously insecure. So they were trying to say like, Oh, you're going to try to Make a living and make a name for yourself on a scooter. That's never gonna happen. And I was like, okay, whatever. But psych jokes on them. Well, then it got to a point where I met my buddy, Will, aka Y trash, Willie. And we became best friends. He basically lived on my floor for a month. And then finally, we were like, dude, we should just, my, my lease was going up. And we're like, dude, let's just get a place. So we got a place. And then we're like, shit, how are we going to pay rent? So we started, we were like riding this little Safeway parking lot that was right next to our apartment complex. Like, do we need more money? Like, you know what? Let's just start a YouTube channel. And we did. And now it has like 300,000 subs. Our Instagram has like A little over 300,000 followers. We are hashtag went from zero uses to now it has like 1.1 million uses. Wow. So it became a cult. And now, and now a bunch of people have have the tattoo. I got it myself. And there's people that have it on their hands. They got on their neck. Like, it's crazy. So there's, there's some die hard scooter riders. And to answer your question, you know, we've, we've had the ability to go to, I think me and Will went to like 40 countries together And then events and we met people and and honestly, like scootering is so big. Obviously, action sports as a whole is kind of like dwindled just because of the rise of technology and video games, but scootering is is there's a lot of people to do it. And I think it's, I think it's because Scootering has this very unique thing that no other sport has where it takes Well, one, it's very easy to start riding scooters. Where on a skateboard, it's it's harder to start, but the there's like, it's almost like the limitation bar is taken away. Right. Like, there's literally no limit of what you can do on a scooter because you can do crimes. You can hit mega ramps. You can ride for you can do big gaps. You can go fast. You can really go faster than a skateboard. So it's like The sky is the limit for this, you know, like there's guys attempting quadruple backflips right now, which is and and and the sport has only been around for 20 years, really. And BMX it's been around for, you know, since the 70s, 80s of when people are maybe even earlier than that. And people just did a quadruple flip and we're already like Raising that bar, you know, so yeah, so it's great and honestly scooter riders are some of the most like Because they all come from a different sport. They all come from BMX. They all come from skateboarding. So they're they're already talented individuals, but then they go on the scooter and they crush it. And they're like most scooter riders can do multiple sports and you don't see that in skateboarding really like skateboarders only skateboard if they can even skateboard in the first place. You know BMX riders normally can't skate. They just ride BMX, but a scooter rider can normally do all of them. And I think that's because A lot of skateboarders and BMX riders give scooter riders shit. So they're like, oh, I'll show you up and then do it. They'll do a 360 or a backflip first time on a bike. You know, and and a BMX rider like they might get a backflip, but Like everything else. It's not going to happen. Yeah, so it's kind of One of the crazes. Yeah, and to me one of the craziest things about watching some of your tricks. I just go. Oh my god You are so freaking athletic. I like can't believe that this is real at one point during this growth stage where when you guys Started out the youtube channel. It didn't feel like there were that many people scootering at what point did you just go? Hey, it feels like we started a movement and there is something real here that is expanding so quickly. I Would say that Probably after like a couple months Because at the time I think I had 60,000 followers and will have 30 So we were pushing and then we also started the endowed instagram page which gained pretty good traction because there wasn't a Yeah, there wasn't really a repose page in scootering at the time like there was but there wasn't one that really stuck around And we were the only ones doing the hashtag endowed to be featured and we took that from some some other accounts obviously like we didn't invent that but I think it was the fact We blew up But actually no no no no So we have endowed for maybe nine months to a year and we got this opportunity to go to denmark for two weeks to do a tour and Because because our youtube was starting to gain traction the instagram was and So we were like, okay. Well, we have a free flight And this is what we would do Which was kind of cool every time that I would get flown out to a contest by a sponsor Or someone would want to pay our way to go out. We would make a tour out of it because it's like we're there And you know if you've ever been to europe once you get to europe, it's so cheap to travel It's like it's it's ridiculous. So we planned this big trip 27 countries And uh, it's gonna take us three months It was it was during like the winter time. So it was kind of rough So we did this we did this tour to denmark for two weeks And then from there we went, you know, we started up in scandinavia and kind of just like sterway down to spain And I think we went to france. I can't remember, but then we made our way back to um Like ireland and then we finished off and answer dan for christmas, which is really cool I'm not saying But something that we did and we honestly didn't really mean to do this it kind of just came naturally is Is we went to these very small niche places around the world So so for example most of the teams and and You know influencers at the time and pro riders their tours were at major locations. So this would be london paris um Prague maybe like probs a little smaller, but uh barsalona, you know, like the core places where there's a bunch of scooter riders like there's guaranteed to be a massive turnout um but we didn't really want to do that because in in our mind, it's like I I came from a pretty small town and will came from um Our like a relatively small town like outside of a big city, but you know pros when Go like i've never when I lived in amrilo. I had never met a professional rider. So So what we did is we went to these random places obviously went to all of denmark and So like no one ever goes to these like little tiny towns in denmark And then we went to alzlo norway that was by far our biggest Turnout we've ever had there was like 1500 people there and we were like wait. What is happening? This is alzlo norway like why is there 1500 people showing up? You know what I mean? Yeah, and Uh, and it was crazy like we were signing autographs for three hours And we got the ride for 20 minutes and then they kicked us out for skateboard lessons Which was ridiculous, but um But then we went to like stalk home hellsinky And then we went to uh like conus lithelania There was like two kids that showed up, but those kids to this day are still just massive fans You know, and I think that's something that that we did on accident going to these small places because The people in the small places appreciate it a lot more than someone Then a kid that gets to see a pro rider all the time in london paris bar salona Like they they don't care. You know like to them if you're not their top favorite person They're like, eh, it's fine. I'll see him eventually like they'll be back here. So it's it's not a big deal but I miss this but The fact that we went so far out of our way for these kids And I think that really Really motivated them to ride and some of them are like pro riders now Funny enough. I love that. You know They get inspired by exactly to be better riders and to them. It's a once in a lifetime experience What is it like traveling to some of these small places and knowing that the community is strong so strong That riders are showing up everywhere Um I think it's just the power of social media really but I I don't know. It is it is very crazy. You know, it's it's still surreal to think that You know, I had 15. We had 1500 kids show up in a la norway To come see us And then another and then okay and this is random too because because you would guess right like I said Our biggest turnouts were in all the major locations, but our smallest turnouts were in the biggest locations like we went to me and Chester and that's supposed to be a massive scene and like Like eight kids showed up or something um Granted, this was after we we'd been traveling for a long time. So we were like sweet. All right, whatever So at that point, this was like our last our last like week of the tour And we were gonna go to ireland the next day. We're like dude. No one's gonna be in ireland like doublin like they're like if we're in manchester And then we were in core we before this which is another major destination You know, if not that many kids showed up for us there Like there's no reason for us to you know, take all these shirts and stickers that we're selling because that's how we were Making our money is like each stop sell stickers to get us to the next place Like to buy our hotel our food like we were literally just like full-on grunge band in it is what we were doing Creative enough to keep going. Yeah, we just had backpacks and our scooters and that's like that's all we had so We We show up in ireland. We had just sold everything to the skate park and no actually it was a liver pull not manchester But we we sold everything to them because we were like I don't want to deal with this it's not worth our time to take boxes with us on these airplanes And we show up and there's like 500 people and it's so jam-packed that like we had to like do this to get through people And we're getting like attacked basically. We're like do What is happening like why is it why is it all these small places have the biggest turnouts? And like I said, I think it's because they appreciate it more and I've told a few people that For because I think you can take them to businesses, you know Because people do these masterminds and like events and all these places But they're always major destinations and I was like, well, why don't you branch out and do these smaller locations and people are going to appreciate a lot more And a few people have done it and they've made a lot of money. So yeah, I love that Tell me about this intersection between scootering and running your own production and media company Um I've kind of always done it because undialled was was really a media company So on top of being a pro rider running a business, you know selling merchandise um making content doing Podcasts all that stuff. I learned a lot Right because I I did it all with my dad growing up and then I did at the skate park with my friends and now i'm doing it for my business so Having that traditional film background And then having that action film background now of like basically just brought those together And it's made me kind of a like an assassin, you know what I mean like a film assassin so It's just cool. I don't know. It's just it's crazy how everything works out and It's Yeah, it's been fun. Honestly, but managing them both is I'm so scatterbrained if you can't tell and i'm like bouncing around and I can't focus on one thing for a long period of time So Unless i'm really into it, which everything I do i'm into You know, uh, like I have a lot of hobbies and It keeps that's what keeps me sane and then my job Incorporates my hobbies, you know, like I I did a documentary where I followed some people all around the world Uh skydiving and running marathons and so I got the skydive for like skydive Film and ride my scooter in one trip, you know what I mean and also we got the bass jump too on that trip a couple times as well so it was cool And that was the first time that was in 20 22 and that was the first time ever Was able to hone in all my all my skills together and I was like dude. This is what I got to do So that's that was when I started really pursuing it and as it felt like a job Not once now I love that because it feels like some of these things are like people's lifetime goals of Going bait jumping of doing some of these things. How does it feel knowing that scootering took you all over the world doing? I mean Kid dreams and making you into the superstar everywhere you go on a kid's toy. Um, um uh It's a good question It it honestly, I I think back Sometimes and when it's sad because obviously i'm not Pursuing it as hard as I was because I've had a lot of injuries and a lot of concussions. So now i'm trying to like Make sure I don't get CTE when i'm older Um because I've I've hit my head a lot so and parachute opening obviously do not help With that because they open very hard and it hurts and you see stars. So that's still a concussion, but um Yeah, I I don't know it's crazy. I always think back to that about How I've got this far And I I tried to because because I think something that a lot of people don't do Because like whenever you fail at something you you think about it really hard. Okay, how did I fail? What did I do wrong and obviously will and I with undialled and scootering and everything in my life Obviously, I felt a lot and reflected on that But something I realized is I've never reflected on my successes And so lately I've been doing that and I still don't know what I did Like how did I get here Obviously, I think it comes from a lot of connections And just networking and talking with people and I think a big One one realization that I've had is the fact that I've been to 40 scooter or 40 40 countries on my scooter and met people and friends and um All these and met all these people all around the world And I've had like conversations with them even it was very brief a handshake whatever I've met all these people. So my network is like really Broad compared to most people because I've met thousands like tens and hundreds of thousands of people But literally all over the world. So I think that's I think that's what helped me is is that I did become a um Worldwide not sensation but like a worldwide name because we traveled so much and met so many people so Did you at any point during the journey ever think that it wasn't going to work out? No No, no for whatever reason I find that's with successful people is there always just Yeah, you can't like no matter what happens. I'm going to make this work At what point and and that's the sorry, but that's the difference between someone that is going to be successful or not because You know, I get because obviously we all have doubt But it comes to it comes to a point where you have to believe in it. So ruthlessly hard That it sounds crazy to other people And I think that's when when you really become successful because you stop caring about What other people think and what their opinions are and you just do And you're and someone's like that's not gonna work and you're like, it's gonna work. You know what I mean like Yeah, who are you who are you to say that my dream isn't gonna work out and even if it doesn't It's like all the things that I've done. I would rather Be devastated and it not working out, but I gave it a hundred percent which has happened Plenty of times that like hundreds of times where I'm like like dude, we just lost three grand on Something we shouldn't have spent three grand on but looking back. It's like I'm glad I tried it and I know not what I know What to not do moving forward. Yeah, and I love this message of trial by fire You just go, hey, we're gonna try this thing and take it as far as possible. Who knows if it's gonna work, but we're gonna do our best Which means to me is like You through all of these injuries. We're still able to keep going. You're able to I mean travel the world doing the thing that you're so so passionate about Tell me about some of these injuries, especially the most serious ones where you Didn't know if you could keep going Oh, that's no, I've never had a doubt that I couldn't keep going because I think injuries build character Yes You really it's okay. It's the same idea You know when someone wins the lottery it really shows who that person is it doesn't change the person It just highlights of like oh you have money now like Who Who are you actually and that that shows very drastically Same same idea whenever you have a really bad injury is it really shows who you are because Someone like me that is very I'm always outside as a ginger. It's bad, but I'm always outside always doing something always pursuing something and always being active And then once I you know break my my tip and fib I I'm incapacitated. I can't move. I can't walk um And it's very emotional very very emotional because you're you're one you're going through the pain of it And the healing process so you're exhausted from your body healing You're also exhausted from not doing anything because your body's got to move naturally and then you're exhausted from your brain, you know Missing feeling like you're missing out on a lot of things so So really like I think my worst injury and the one I've learned the most from was when I broke my tip and fib Um, some kid ran into me at the skate park and snapped it in half. Um, yeah, I was so lame And then I had nitrous circus world games The in three months and I was like trying to get healed for it so fast, but my leg kept breaking for two weeks Because they put me in a boot because they claimed that it was going to make me heal faster And and it did not at all Shocker who would have thought? So so every time I would sneeze or move during my sleep it would re-break And so for two weeks like, you know right when he would heal it would re-break and you don't have shock and that pain sucks Um because really really I should I should have just had surgery, but Um, I'm glad I didn't I had surgery on my collarbone, but that was the only one that has surgery on but um, yeah, it sucked and then there was a girl I was super into at the time and um Obviously I couldn't do anything. So I don't know if she got tired of that or whatever, but Normally I'd be okay with it like oh, we've been talking for like A couple months, whatever. It's not that big of a deal. I feel you whatever But like because normally I'm off doing stuff on my my brain is occupied by all right business scooters gym yoga, you know recovery whatever um I I normally wouldn't have time to think about it, but in this scenario. I was like So beaten down because that's all I could think about Is that like i'm literally laying in bed can't do anything i'm on my phone and i'm either watching movies playing video games um Or like, you know writing a script for something or a marketing plan, but that's always the back of my head so like The pain of it messed me up and then I got emotionally messed up, which it shouldn't have but it did and then uh Yeah And then I missed out on the one event that I've been training for for months Which actually probably like really my whole life. I've been like wanting my whole career I should say I had wanted to do this event and I was missing out on it because A kid ran to me at the skate park. Yeah, so what were some of the tips and tools that you used to At that time of missing out on a big event and at that time where things were just not going your way Just to keep you mentally strong and to go. Oh, I was not well. No, I was that was a low point Um, and I I think I had to go through it Definitely because it's like on a fiscal pain definitely builds character Like I said, it really shows you who you are and so after that of after that injury I Was dabbling in in mushrooms and lsd a little bit and that helped me really reflect on Everything that I had gone through and why I was like that and the issues that I had deep down and I really I think even though that was Very bad for me. I learned so much about myself And so now I can carry that into you know every aspect of my life I love that. Tell me about some of the lessons that you learned Especially coming out of this lsd stage going through potentially one of the worst things that have happened at least in your athletic career um You mean like Like what's uh, what's the thing I reflected on or what do you mean? Yeah, like what did you learn about yourself? What are some of the lessons that you take away? That I was selfish I'm still selfish, but I was more selfish uh everyone's got to be a little selfish, you know, but I was I was like Too it was too much about me and I think that's stiff now was stemming from me being an only child So I was used to You know, it's just me like I had no one else to worry about but now I have a business I have a have a fan base and then eventually whenever I get into like a very serious relationship I need to be Not selfish. Yeah, you know, like I have to I have to worry about other people. I have to Um, you know be willing to share As well. That was another thing I wasn't used to and then luckily will was also an only child So we were like both learning how to have a brother at the age of 19 and we're like Getting pissed at each other. We're also like polar opposites in every way. Like he's this artsy farty dude Overthinks everything and then I'm this like athletic. I don't think about anything and do so we butt heads, but It created and dialed and then dialed. It was like the best baby we could ever had and that sounds very weird, but I love I love this all along. It's just the process of becoming a better human being and regardless of how you get there No, working on stufflessness. We're working on just doing better for other people I think that's part of what makes you special today. Yep. Now knowing that you have so many other extreme Like likes and hobbies How do you feel about keeping yourself safe and trying to stay away from Doing those while trying to balance your professional career knowing about the I'm very I'm very reserved um, I was not reserved for a while but you know when it comes to like these Because I would say scooterings are pretty violent sport, you know, like I've seen a lot of carnage In scootering, but now I've seen carnage and skydiving and I've seen um You know lost some friends the base jumping haven't seen anything luckily, but Um, you know, they're very very violent sports and so it's climbing, you know, like it can get it can get bad um I forgot where I was going with that. What was your question again? I'm sorry You're all good. You're all good. Where do you find the balance between pushing it and No pursuing your hobbies, but not taking it too far. Yeah. Yeah, so I I think like Knowing How bad it can get now as I'm getting older and the repercussions of everything and now knowing like Because before if I broke my arm, it's like all right, whatever, you know, like when I did break my arm It's like or my collarbone or something. It's like all right whatever, you know, I I'll sit this one out I'm still getting paid for my sponsors. I'll make some content sitting down whatever now If I break my arm or my hand Um or fingers or even my leg or really anything if I break it um I'm not a work for a while Because that's my main thing is is production as of now um So That is how I'm balancing it because I know I need to I know I need to be reserved And I'm happy that I'm being reserved because I'd rather not dye base jumping because I could like I'm very capable of doing like, you know, like triple gainers and like front half back full front, you know what I mean, like I can do that And I do it off cliffs cliff jumping and stuff, but you know and base jumping. It's like you mess up. You die. So and there's people that rely on me and um So I am very reserved To that point where I just you know, I'll maybe do a gainer I'll just like but pretty much in base. I just you know fly pull Keep it chill It's still dangerous. You're jumping off a mountain with a parachute. So yeah, can only be super super dangerous Do you know it would be it would only be so safe. Yeah, do you think of that this combination of like Experiences and loving extreme sports younger Put you on this trajectory to kind of always be on this pursuit of adrenaline Well, I think it's been an evolutionary thing. So You know, I started skateboarding, you know, I'd all the off a curb And then you know one day I'm jumping on my trampoline. I'm like, oh, I'll jump off the trampoline You know and then I start back flipping off cliffs and then back flipping off a bigger cliffs into water and um You know building bigger jumps and it's I think it's just been This level of progression for so long And then it got to the point, you know where I'm jumping. I'm riding mega ramps and then mega ramps aren't I mean They're terrifying because of the mega ramp and you miss you it's not good, but if like And then I start skydiving and base jumping and then it's like the the amount of adrenaline is getting Higher and higher, but it gets to a point where I feel like I am now is Now that when I want to push the limit of what I'm actually scared of It's it's more dangerous. So there's a lot of things I want to do on my scooter And have been wanting to do it, but I like don't know if I should open up That can't worms. Yeah, because now because now the next steps are like I'm not I can't say but you know now the next steps are Incorporating all my other sports into one Yeah, like it did Right. So the first the first dabble that I've done This is kind of a test was when I backflipped off the prime bridge and then pulled my parachute Yeah And so that was kind of the first dabble and there's other stuff I want to do from like And the video was insane for that one What did that feel like by the way as you're free floating after backflipping going hey like The timing of when I pull the parachute makes all the difference between life and death Honestly, I'm not even thinking about that Because I probably got that Yeah, because I just think about successes Yeah, I just like obviously it's in the back of my mind of like all right if my bridle gets wrapped around my My wheel what am I gonna do if if I if I flip too fast, am I gonna tuck for a second? Well, you know what I mean like those those are good. It's more of like situational things that are happening not an actual splat Because once you add because you know in any sport when you start adding layers that Make it more dangerous It makes it more dangerous. So it's like I'm adding a big piece of metal That could that could flail into something if I mess up or I backflip hit my head and knock myself out like There's so many things to go wrong. So um, that's what I want to end up Dabbling into but like I said, I don't know if I'm if I should because I've kind of gotten to this point now where I'm I am very okay with being where I'm at and not like really pushing myself because You know then my ego comes into place once you do start pushing it and you know Once I start get like if I got a couple of good views on stuff, which it would I you know, it gives you the itch even more. She's like people want to see this and That was a scary thought after my scooter bass is that got like a lot of likes and views and I was like Do I want to Yeah, I've had to like settle back a little bit um And because every time I'm on the edge of a cliff. I'm like, oh, I should just like Do like a front five back full, you know what I mean? Like I I want to so bad I'm like don't because once you do it once it's like heroin You just cannot like Uh, you can't stop It's a little bit upsetting to hear you say that because we miss out on this incredible content that you could make but it also It's gonna happen to know that there's at least like a rational safe part of your brain that tells you what to stop Now You've accomplished so much already before you're ready to stop scootering What are some of the other big achievements that you want to hit Before you hang it up and just Ride off into the sunset doing something else Um like scooters specifically. Yeah Um, I'm honestly gonna probably always ride scooters as long as I can Um skydiving I can do forever. I jump with like 70 and 80 year olds So I'm not really in a rush for that and then base jumping is the same way as long as you can hike a mountain You can base do um But Yeah, it's never gonna be hung up I love that. I that that's one thing that I'm very Picky now in my relationships with with like, you know an actual relationship with a female I I'm like very upfront. I'm like hey I gotta do what I need to do And you got to be okay with that And realize that like I could die doing this But you got to know that I Had a great time dying On a human level, how does it feel having that level of conversation with your significant other? It depends on the person my ex didn't do well with it. Um She she had some like things in the past that affected her and so I Feel like I couldn't because it it would it scared her and she was she was with me whenever I found out one of my friends died And that was the person she did her first skydog with so it was like kind of the moment of oh wow I didn't realize how dangerous this is. Yeah, which is very strange to just realize that then but um But now I'm I'm very upfront and I think anyone that looks at my instagram at all they'll know that that's what that's just what I do and you're signing up for it. So If if you want to be a part of the journey you got to deal with it or do it with me, which would be hot. So I love that now the final question I have for you today Clayton is this one You already have so many things that you're involved in and so many unique hobbies that I mean not a lot of people in the entire world get to do what else are you gonna pick up? As you you know find new interests and as you're ready to take out new challenges I have a list. I could I could Bring it down. I have because I I think something that I messed up in and a reason why I got a little burnt out of scootering granted for I scooter for tit I 10 years professionally And you know then it was my it was my job It was my hobby. So that was like how I cleared my mind was doing that All my friends did it all of our conversations were were about it And when I would travel We're traveling to go ride. So it's like my life Every aspect of it was scooters and I think something that I messed up on where I originally was coming from was the fact that I am skilled at all these other things You know, like I can wakeboard wake skate cliff jump. I can um You know, I'm gonna learn how to surf my buddy cleanse going to teach me to be sick, but um you know, I I have all these skills and I was like, why am Because everyone talks about like, oh, you got a niche down on social media You got you got to just post one thing and I did that for so long and I think that mentally affected me after a while the fact that I Was only doing one thing and it was like I was Pushing all my other skills aside And once I started and honestly, I wasn't like as happy as I should have been right because everything was going well I was traveling a bunch, but it's just like not enough for me at least So now I make it a priority that every week I I do all the things I'm interested in like my condo have a golf horse who goes around it love playing golf I'll play like raft or whatever this I'm gonna go play around, you know and then later I went and then later I'm gonna go climb tomorrow. I'm skydiving and Going to a skate park and then I'm building a studio like I'm doing all the things that I enjoy doing and now that I don't have a contractual agreement saying that I have to post this amount of times. I've never been happier and so my goal now is to not Knitch down and really just live my life and stop caring about the likes and followers because I chase that dragon for so long and so With that said You know all the other interests that I have are going to come to light Eventually because you know, I want to go to Europe next year and do something that I can't talk about and you'll see it on instagram like that's You know like all the stuff I want to do is going to happen eventually, but I'm not trying to push it to happen this moment so um But I have a lot of other hobbies that are gonna come and I do not have room in my condo for all the shit I want to buy I am so excited to see exactly where you go next clinton. You're a gem of a human being I'm so happy to know that you're out there and as freaked out as I am watching your content I'm just so happy to know that you are on the other side creating and thank you so much for sharing your time with me and our audience [BLANK_AUDIO]