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The Ice Guys - Thursday, October 10
[Music] Hello and welcome to The Ice Guy! This is the show that takes you into the world of the National Hockey League. Every game, every day, from a betting perspective. With pro sports handicappers, Ian Cameron, Alex Peacemann, and various guests from the world of hockey and sports betting. And now, here's your host, Ian Cameron. [Music] Welcome to The Ice Guys! Thursday, October 10th, Ian Cameron, Alex Peacemann. Matt Robinson scheduled to join us, but connection issues, so to be determined, if we get Maddie on the show today, but we're here, we're ready to break down on the Thursday NHL Cardinals, our biggest slate of these seasons so far. Nine games on this Thursday night. We will get to them in just a moment. Rapid fire recap for last night. We had the five games. The goalie performance of the night, clearly. Samuel Montembeau for the Montreal Canadiens. Incredible job. Almost 50 saves, and a shutout win over the Toronto Maple Leafs. 1-0 Montreal. I thought played better than Toronto in the first period. After that, Toronto definitely carried the play. But could not beat Montembeau. He was terrific. He stoned Matthews a couple of times. And even Matthew Nye's, my bargain bin selection yesterday. He had chances that could not cash in, but great performance by him. The Montreal power play does look scary. They scored their one goal on the power play courtesy of Cole Caufield. They moved the puck around very well. Slap Cauvsky, Suzuki, Caufield. Lane Hudson now on that power play from the point, so it looked very dangerous. Like I said, Toronto got stronger as the game went on, but doesn't matter if you can't score. Hats off to Samuel Montembeau for a great performance. That was the goalie performance of the night. The worst team performance of the night. Well, Edmonton might say hold my beer later on, but certainly in the early games, the Pittsburgh Penguins. Just absolutely pathetic against the Rangers. They totally outclassed. That looked like one team that's got a chance to win a Stanley Cup and one team that... Not going to make the playoffs. Dare I say it? Lottery team? I'm not going to go that far after one game, but man, that is not at all what you want to see from the Pittsburgh Panthers. That looked like they had zero clue how to defend in their own zone. Turnovers galore. Kristin Jari, not good enough in my opinion in that, although he didn't have a lot of help. And look, credit to the Rangers. Grider at a big night. Lopranier is going to have a great season. He gets on the board. It's just Durkin with a shutout. And look, the one concern with the Rangers is that sometimes E-gorsious Durkins had slow starts to the year. But last night, and it was all Rangers, dominant six to nothing win. We had the Rangers, Moneyline, Rangers team total over both of those cash in. So that was great to see. And then in the late night hours, if you like goals, you certainly weren't disappointed. Holy fuck. Calgary, Vancouver. Crazy game. Vancouver. Swarming Calgary. Making Calgary look like one of the worst blue lines in the league, which we do think they are. Dan Bladar is well-struggled. 4-1. It looked like it was going to be an easy great night for Vancouver. And I had already counted my Calgary plus 175 ticket, you know, as a loss. And then, sure enough, the flames just ship away. 4-2. 4-3. And then in the third, they tie it 4-4. And then, of course, 5-4. They take the lead. What a play by Quinn Hughes. Because it looked like Calgary was going to put the empty netter in to put that game away 6-4. He blocks it. And then he makes a quick up stretch pass. He finds J.T. Miller, who wires it past Dan Bladar to tie the game. And at least salvage a point. What a play that was by Quinn Hughes. It was one of the plays of the night. Unfortunately, they end up falling in overtime with a great individual effort by Connor Zarey on the overtime winner to get the 6-5 win in a crazy back and fourth game, Flames Canucks. Oilers didn't show up again on opening night, much like last year. Very disappointing because you think, you know, the last memory of them on the ice as a team in a game was Game 7 Stanley Cup final. And you weren't going to play any better than that. Very disappointing credit to the Jets, though. And even Connor Hellebach, who we criticized, getting the shutout, although it was a well-defended game. And Edmonton was just not bringing their A game. So that played a role. And if I give the Jets credit 6-0, beat down over the Edmonton Oilers. And they chase Skinner, Stuart Skinner from the game as well, after the fifth goal allowed. And then the other game, Colorado Vegas. More goalie issues for Georgia, just not good enough. Defensive issues for Colorado, which they had at times down the stretch as well. Not what you want to see at all. Vegas opportunistic. I'm telling you what, we said Vegas was going to focus on defense. They give up four. But offensively, I wasn't sure what we were going to get. I think it's because, you know, Michael's dangerous, Stone's dangerous up front. But what were you going to get from some of the new faces? You know, Victor Olapson, a guy that had chemistry playing with Jack Eichol and Buffalo. And look at the start to the year for Victor Olapson. Looking like this could be one hell of an acquisition, reuniting him with Eichol here in Vegas. And then the guy that we said, he's got offense in him. He can show it. Can he be consistent with it night in, night out? And we saw it from our guy. You know what? I see it in the chat, his name. Close. Shave Barbeshev. Ivan Barbeshev, the terrific game. They got scoring from various sources, the Vegas golden knights. And they played great. No doubt about it. But to me, coming out of that game, I was always concerned about Kiyorkiev. I'm even more concerned now. That is not the way you want to start your season for him. Getting lit up like that by the Vegas golden knights. But credit to Vegas, they get the job done and they unload on the Colorado avalanche, who did not start the season the way they hoped. Alex, your thoughts on a very entertaining Wednesday night? Yeah, definitely a basic and some concerning starts for three clubs last night. Definitely Pittsburgh. Like I said, your team that's trying to fight and push and claw to at least be one of the eight teams in the east to make the playoffs. That team last night looked like he said, like a lottery club team. Just a mad, mad sighting. And just, you know, New York's a good team. And they have good offense. But you don't expect them to just completely over. The way that they overwhelm teams at times, it seems to be unexpected. They're not a complete fly up and down score as many goals as possible kind of team. They wear you down a bit. And that was the thing with Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh has given them all kinds of open ice and space to move around. When you do that with the Rangers, you're going to struggle. I don't know what's going to have to be shaken up at some point. We saw Mike Sullivan. Oh, yeah, good points. The transition game. It wasn't just methodical for check and cycle game in the offensive zone. It was transition offense that was eating up the penguins too. Exactly. And so that's to say that looks to be like, okay, there's some strategy issues here. This isn't personnel anymore at this point. You know, you see the numbers was plus 300 plus 350 on Sullivan. The first coach fired, I would probably look and grab that as soon as possible. Because that might turn that plus might turn to a minus. If they continue to play like that, like they're just getting worn down. They're getting out coached and they're getting out played. You can't have that in game one. That's going to happen with this team because they're an older team on some nights. That should not be happening. Night one, game one. You should not look like you're a team that's been skating and playing, you know, 15 games this month. And that's what they look like at times. So that's a really bad spot. Like I said, Colorado, you know, defensively, you know, your gifts got to be stronger. But once again, we talked about, you know, the miles and minutes that have been on his body the last two years. You know, are we going to see him now have when he has bad games instead of him being C, C minus games? Are they going to be D's and F's and games where he gets pulled? If that is the case, that's a really, really bad sign for Colorado because we know you, Suzanne, definitely not a guy who can take a spot like a Stuart Skinner and all of a sudden have to start, you know, 50 games. If your gift has now be demoted to the backup on the team. So that's a really, really problematic sign for Colorado. And then, you know, going back. You're muted. You'll hit your mic by accident. There you go. Yeah, Winnipeg and Edmonton mentioning with Skinner and that team. How do you not show up first game after all that happened last year? And we talked about, you know, everybody's been watching the Amazon show and showing Connor McDavid's reaction to see that. How that last game, a game seven and then to see what happened on life tonight. You know, it just kind of, you know, proves more and gives more weight into what I was saying during the previous fragment to that. This might be the last year we see Connor McDavid in that orange and blue uniform. They've been shocked me one minute. They continue to have another bad star like this. This play continues on and they have another rough October, like they did last year or rough November, like they did last year. At some point, he's got to say, this is not going to happen here. I have to do something for, you know, the sake of my career as much as I want to be a team player as much. I want to be the face of this franchise, the face of the league. He's got to look at himself in the mirror and say, Hey, how long am I going to deal with this bullshit here in Edmonton when there's 31 of the teams. There's other places I know I can be competitive the more competitive and not have to deal with these ups and downs every single year. So a lot of uncertainty with those three teams and those are teams that need to figure things out sooner than later for sure. Yeah, I agree with that. So they'll be that's going to be a fascinating watch. And unlike what we saw from the Amazon series with Connor McDavid, it's clear that he and the Edmonton Oilers did not take the fuck in right now. They didn't do that last night, apparently, unfortunately against the Winnipeg Jets. We didn't see any of that from the Edmonton Oilers. All right, let's get into Thursday. Like I said, this is our big Thursday NHL slate. We will begin with Florida and Ottawa. The Florida Panthers minus 135 road favorites. The total six shaded to the over. It's worth noting this totals dropped to half a goal, six and a half down to six. So it'll be interesting. And I think there's a reason for that in that people think Ottawa will be a defensive team. This is a little bit like what I've talked about with Toronto this year. Great brew based talk about structure, defense, taking care of things in your own end. Travis Green has said the same thing with Ottawa. All the focus is we're going to try to improve our defensive game. It sure helps that on paper, you've significantly upgraded in goal with Lina Salmark compared to what you had last year between the combination of Anton Forsberg and Jonas Corpisalo. So that should make Ottawa a better defensive team. I still have to see it before I'm ready to believe it. I don't know what I'm getting from Ottawa here. Game one, new system, new coaching staff trying to be better defensively. I like them up front still. That was never an issue I had with Ottawa last year, Alex. I like them up front. I like Brady Kuchak and Shane Pinto and Timmy Stutzla and what they can do offensively. There's Drake Batherson going down the list. They got enough game breakers and offensive talent on this team. It's about the blue line and it's also about keeping Shabbat and Sanderson healthy. Because after those two guys, there is a drop off on that Senator's blue line. So I don't know what we're going to get from Ottawa. What I do know from Florida is I was thoroughly impressed against Boston the other night. Banner night, no hangover, no distractions from hanging the Stanley Cup banner. They were ready to play. They thumped Boston early. They won going away 6-2, of course. You know, against the Bruins early. And Boston got a couple of league goals. I do think they kind of fell asleep. Florida in the last five minutes, but that was definitely Florida in complete control. My only concern with Florida here is the big banner night against Boston. A team that they have a natural rivalry with now and a history with two consecutive years facing them in the playoffs. That now maybe this is the spot where you don't get Florida's A game. But I'm not willing to bet that that happens. So it does kind of feel a little bled downish, Benjamin Mills, I agree. But I don't trust Ottawa enough. I got to see it before I believe it from them. So it's a pass for me. I'm not involved, side or total. You know, I'm not a big, you know, I don't pass on much. But in this one, I just feel I'd rather sit back and watch. I do have some props though, which I'll mention in a moment. Alex, what do you think here of Florida, Ottawa? Yeah, this is one where I'll be live betting for sure. And I was looking at the previous history. Florida's dominated Ottawa. But like you said, this is definitely, could be the time of year where you see maybe a little bit of a let down spot. Like I said, big win all your against the rival. Now you go up to Ottawa, you know, standing around for 20 minutes, except everybody's got to deal with at least a couple ceremonies. So maybe they get off to a slow start. If that's the case, you know, Ottawa can get out to a nearly lead and like they try to sit on this game. Florida would certainly be the kind of team to play into that. Their cycling style is not like they're going to just all of a sudden turn things up naturally, even though we know they have the potential to do that. I think this is definitely a game where we could see the underpassion, but maybe we can get a better price off of an early goal. So I would lean toward maybe Ottawa scoring first, maybe Ottawa first period, money line, and then try to look for a live under off of that. Yeah, I'm going to go with for props, Alex with Florida with the two top left wing players on the top two lines. Verhage could have scored a hat trick, honestly, against Boston. Yet he didn't score a single goal, but he had a million chances. Unbelievable. Incredible how many chances he had. He just got the big contract extension to Carter Verhage. I think there'll be some Peppiness step here tonight. And the goals, maybe that he should have scored against Boston that didn't go in. Maybe he'll get one at least to go in tonight. I like Evan Rodriguez. Look, we thought, yeah, the playoffs is one thing to step up. And all of a sudden, be a difference maker scoring goals. And sure enough, he scores one of their goals against Boston in the opener the other night. So definitely Evan Rodriguez, I think, is good value as far as up props. I'm going to go back to the well with Samma Skevich as well. He was noticeable even though he didn't score against Boston. I think for Ottawa, when you're looking at props involving them, a little bit of value with Peron, first game as a senator, veteran player. I could see him maybe chipping in. Anyone from that third line, Peron Pinto and Michael Amadio. You know, I do think there's a nice get from Vegas for them. They could have some value too. Ridley Gregg's moved up to the second line. Maybe a little value there as well for him from a goal prop standpoint. So those would be the ones that I'm kind of dabbling in as far as this game. All right, LA and Buffalo. By the way, Almark and Babrowski confirmed in net. No surprise there. Kings and Savers, even money, both sides, six to the total. I'm fading LA at every reasonable opportunity until they prove to me they're a different team than I think they are. And I don't think they're, I think they're taking a step back this year. I'm not a bullish on the, on making Hiller the full time ed coach. The Drew Doudy injury is significant because now all of a sudden you're asking a very young inexperienced, but very talented Brant Clark to play more minutes. Jordan Spence to play on the top pair is Mikey Anderson and Jordan Spence, a top pair defense score for a top pair blue line for the LA Kings. I'm not so sure about that. You know, Gavricov with Burrows. Joel Edmondson is a nice addition, but again, you want him not playing big minutes because that's when he can get exposed a little bit. You know, there's definitely concerns right now on that King's blue line. Actually up front is actually where I think they might be a little bit stronger to begin the year. They bring in Foval from Edmondton with Bifield and Piala could be a good second line. Kempe Copitar, they're going to experiment with Alex LaFeriair on that top line. And so I think it's a situation where that, you know, could be interesting chemistry can LaFeriair fit with Copitar and Kempe. You better hope the top two lines score though, because there is a drop off. Are you going to get stuff offensively from Deno Moore's? You know, Turcott, Andre Lee, Trevor Lewis, consistently not so sure. Look, Buffalo is bad in two games overseas against New Jersey and Czechia. No, there's no denying that. And they're without J.J. Piterka, Turka, Turka. He's out. Zach Benson's a game time decision. So two of their top six forwards might be out. I think there's a real onus on Buffalo to have a better showing. It's their home opener here in Buffalo. And if you go back and look at the last two times the Sabers have hosted the Kings, you guys. The cumulative score is 13 nothing Buffalo. The Sabers have beaten the Kings 13 nothing in the last two meetings combined here in Buffalo between the Kings and Sabers. So something about going to Buffalo has not treated the LA Kings very well the last two years. They've been shut out 13 zip by the Sabers. The last two years combined. I think you get a better effort, better focus, almost more of a playoff intensity from the Sabers, because it's going to, it's your home opener. And you don't want to go on three and drop your home opener. You know, that's not what you want to see. Lukanen confirmed in net, Uko Pekka Lukanen for Buffalo. Darcy Kemper for the Kings. I have no qualms going against a team with Darcy Kemper and net Kemper off his worst statistical season last year against Washington. I think it sets up nicely here for the Sabers. So I'm going to take him at even money Buffalo minus 110. I'm going to put a little more on Buffalo Moneyline and a little smaller sprinkle on the Buffalo team total, which you can get over three actually at plus 106 at Bet Rivers. So you don't get that often a team total at three at plus money to the over. You don't always get that, but you've got it here. So Buffalo team total over three plus 106 sprinkle on that. A little bit more on the Buffalo Moneyline here, minus 110. What do you think here in this one, Alex King Sabers? Yeah, this is actually one of the first games I bet. Like I said, going back at several weeks, I laid a dollar two with Buffalo. I just thought that this was going to be a good spot. I just felt like even no matter how anything went with them in Europe, that they would come back home and be able to catch this King's team that I said, not high on already starting a long road trip to the beginning of the year and just didn't look good in the preseason. Obviously the Drew Dottie injury was the biggest takeaway of note. Just in the couple, I watched about two or three of their games and they just, you know, same seem to be slow at times when they need to be fast. They weren't as physical as they need to be at times. And certainly that game, of course, once Dottie went down the physicality went out the window, but that's a situational. I think Buffalo, like I said, comes out hot and have a home opener. Knowing you can't go down all three already to start the season. When you have aspirations of finally breaking that playoff streak that has gone off for so long, I think we get a good effort here from the home team tonight. So yeah, anything up to $1.15, I like Buffalo Moneyline. And I sprinkle a little bit on that first period over. I'm seeing $1.25, $30. I think you can wait a few minutes and get plus money for that in the game. Yeah. And yeah, there's criticism late last couple year to Lindy Ruff as he lost his touch. Well, we're going to find out. Like I'm not going to push the panic button on Lindy Ruff's coaching after two games. But let's see, you know, moving forward if they can get things going a bit bump below. And there are concerns. Maybe, you know, Lindy Ruff, maybe the game slipping by him a little bit. But I'll tell you what, Jim Hiller is not the second coming. A Scotty Bowman, either, you know, on the LA Kings side from a coaching standpoint. And Scotty Bowman, by the way, was with our good friend Jimmy Murphy and Pierre Maguire on the eye test, I think, or yesterday or earlier this week. Unbelievable how sharp he still is at 90 years old. Scotty Bowman, the greatest NHL coach in history. As far as props go tonight. We'll have to see if Benson plays, cousins and Quinn, I think, are worth a look for the savers. You're right. Coolich. How about this? Might get the spot with Thompson and Tuck tonight with the Turka. Doesn't mean he's going to score, but you know, the price is going to be great. And you know, the value is going to be really good on him to score a goal tonight. So maybe a sprinkle on you're right. Coolich. And I like Alex, even though I like the savers in this game, I like Alex LaFairy Air from a value standpoint. Phenomenal value for him. If he's going to be on that top line and you can get plus 400 on him to score a goal, that's, that's what we're looking for. Value with players that are up on the top line like that and getting that opportunity. And we've got that with LaFairy Air. So that's going to be interesting to see how that goes. Bifield came on strong last year. I don't mind looking at a prop involving him. Warren Fogel and his Kings debut coming over from the Edmonton Oilers. I think he'll be fired up. So, like I say, Vogel, just from a value standpoint. Obviously, we know Coppitar, Kempe, Theolican score. I've done a price value on the goal props. Vogel, Bifield, and LaFairy Air. To me are my three favorite looks from the Kings as far as those goal props with value. All right. Montreal, Boston. We've got the Bruins minus 300 home favorites. Six the total in this game. So from a spot perspective, you got to love it for Boston. You got to hate it for Montreal. I get that. Montreal is coming off the big win against Toronto. Picasso, a Rembrandt, a masterpiece from Samuel Montembo and Net. Montreal outplayed Toronto in the first period. After that, Toronto did carry the play, but you got to score and you got to give Montembo credit. Even though they only scored the one goal, that Montreal power play could be real good this year. They were moving that puck around nicely. I get it. And Boston just got embarrassed by Florida in their season opener against a team they don't like. They're now playing their home opener. They're going to want to bounce back. They're going to be an angry bunch. Jeremy Swamin will make a season debut. I understand all that. It's an anti- Montreal spot and it is a pro-Boston spot here. But I'm taking Montreal. I'm going to sprinkle on the Canadians. Not do I don't love betting against this kind of a spot with the Bruins, but this is a price play for me. And this is what I talked about with Vancouver last night. Why was I on Calgary? Why? Because I thought Vancouver was overpriced. I thought Vancouver at more than -200. They were an overpriced favorite last night against the Calgary Flames. And look, I needed a comeback to cash that one with the Flames. But we got there with the +175 on Calgary. And my thought process was simple. Vancouver is overpriced. That is why I feel here. Boston is simply overpriced. I get it. They're going to be angry. They don't like the way they played against Florida. But maybe we look at that game and we say maybe they've got issues with depth offensively after the top two lines, which I think they do. Maybe they look slow and a little bit older and a little tread on the tires. That's what they look like to me against Florida as well. Maybe that blue line that we've held in such high regard all these years is ready to take a step back this year because it sure as well looked like just a pathetic performance from that Boston defense and that entire blue line. Nobody was any good. I think McAvoy had little glimpses and he got a goal, of course. But other than that, who played well on the Bruins defense on that blue line the other night against Florida? And with all due respect, we love Swam and coming off a great year. That's what got him the big money. No training camp. No preseason. He hasn't played in a game in a long, long time. He's just going to glide right in here on opening night at TD Garden and just be phenomenal and on his game and sharp as attack in his very first start with no training camp. No preseason action of any kind. You know, I'm not so sure about that. So not best bet material. Keeping it small. But now that we've pushed this line, or at least not me, obviously, but the betting markets and the public have pushed this line up to as high as minus 300 on Boston. Now that it's that high, I'm grabbing me a piece of Montreal here plus 240 plus 245 in this game. If you want to be safe, you can go plus one and a half puck line on Montreal. I'm going for the gusto. I'm going for the plus 240 plus 245. I don't know if that was just a product of playing the defending champions on Tuesday night. I think there could be some issues with Boston, particularly early in the seasons. I'm taking a small flyer here. Canadians plus 240 to plus 245. Alex Habs Bruins. Yeah, this isn't over by factor for me, but I like the first period over a lot more. You can get it as cheap as $1.18 at Fandoor with $1.20 at DraftKings. So I like it all the way up to $1.25 free game. Anything higher than that, look to grab that along with that total. You can grab both of those in game. But, I mean, this is an insane price. 3-1, I get it. It is Caden Primo going up against Jeremy Swamin. Like you said, Swamin, all he had was workout time with the BU. And I think he said some other group that he was working with. Yeah, he said no real structured practice, no real structured game scenarios at all. For any goalie, that could be a bit tough. So I could see him being a bit rusty early. But, like I said, it's Habs on second night and back to back. It shouldn't matter because it's early in the year. But, you know, like I said, Boston physical team, maybe they take out some of that frustration from the Florida game on a Habs team that already just played the night before. And they could start wearing the downs. I would be a little leery of just looking side. Obviously not playing 300. I'd just be a little cautious about backing the Habs here too as well. So first period over, I like that more, but also we'll have some full game over as well. You muted it. And you muted it again. Sorry, there we go. I apologize there. We're back. So over by FACTA, right there for Alex with the first period over and full game over. All right, we're back. And then as far as props go, not as many in this game. This is a game where Caden Primo's, it's an interesting thing to talk about with Primo getting the start, right? Because he sees Montemble stand on his head play awesome. Does that infuse him to play, really want to play great tonight and get a great performance out of him? Or does that put a lot of pressure on him now? Back to back after seeing Montemble play like that last night against Toronto. So it's a very interesting debate, I guess you could say. How does that affect mentally Caden Primo's prep for this game? You know, seeing Montemble stand on his head like, "Okay, you know what? I'm geared up and I want to match what he did or at least try to. He won't, but he'll try to." Or does that get in your head that, "Wow, I've got to follow that performance from my teammate, my battery mate here, Samuel Montemble, and try to play great here." And we know Primo's been very erratic. We know that in his career. So that's the tricky part with, and that's going to be the tricky part of cashing with Montreal for me tonight is whether Primo can get the job done here in this game tonight against the Boston Bruins. But as far as props go, you know, I like I say, slap Copsky for goal assist. Copsfield for goal assist. You know, you can never go run there for Boston Zaka. I mean, Zaka, especially on the top line scored one of their goals. The other night, Pavel Zaka continues to be very reliable here for the Bruins as far as offensive contributions. He's been really good since he's been a member of this Bruins team. So I don't mind to look there. Maybe on home ice too with Jim Montgomery, maybe getting some more of the matchups that he's wanting out there on the ice. Maybe Morgan Giki gets going a little bit up front as well for Boston. So those would be some of the props maybe I would consider in this one. All right, Leafs and Devils, the Sheldon Keith Bowl. Here we go. Sheldon Keefe and his New Jersey Devils facing Sheldon Keefe's former team, the Toronto Maple Leafs. Devils minus 135 home favorites, six and a half being the total in this game. Caution to everyone before the season with Toronto. Be careful with overs with Toronto because this is a team that's going to play slower. They're going to play defensive minded. That's what Craig Berube wants all preseason and training camp. The buzz words were structure, compete, defensive, you know, defense, back checking, all of that. And sure enough, we see a 1-0 game in their first game. Meanwhile, we think New Jersey is going to be a better defensive team. They beat Buffalo in their first two games in Europe, but they end up going under the total, both of those games. And they don't even have Brett Pesci yet. You know, he's still out due to injury. Wait till they get him back. And he's a big part of the reason why people expected the Devils to be improved defensively this year. But when you look at this match up here against Toronto, you've got New Jersey coming back from Europe. But like with Buffalo, they've had some Saturday to kind of acclimate themselves and readjust their body clock to being back in the Eastern time and so on. So I think they've had enough time with that. I still think there's a part of me that believes that New Jersey is a little overpriced. You know, I thought that in the games against Buffalo just a little bit with their futures price. But they look damn impressive. And, you know, I'm not willing to go against them here in this spot with the Toronto team on the second night of a back-to-back. But I think from a Toronto standpoint, you know, they played well enough to win. They just couldn't finish last night. And when you look at their situation as far as with Joel Wall, obviously starting the season on the injured list. And Anthony Stolar starting last night. There's a high probability. I think it's going to be the NHL debut for Dennis Hill to be. It has not been confirmed just yet. But even if it's Stolar is on a back-to-back, remember this back-to-back to begin the year. So, fatigue is not a real big issue. And if it is Hill to be, he played greatly. HL last year. He looked pretty solid in the preseason. He's a big goalie. You know, the team is going to try to rally around getting a win for Dennis Hill to be. The Hill to beast, as they say, in his very first start. And I think that probably leads to a little bit of a tighter defensive game. So, I actually lean to this under. It's scary because we've saw a lot of high scoring games here the first two nights of the season. But I think with Toronto, look, take advantage of the six and a half totals because they are playing. And they're offense dating back to the end of last year. They've struggled to score goals consistently. The power play hasn't been working well, including in the Boston series and the first round last year. So, this is not that same old Toronto run-and-gun high-flying, high-scoring over-machine anymore. And especially now if you're going to keep giving these six and a halfs in the Barouba era. I do think there's a little value under with the Leafs right now early in the season. And plus, let's not forget who's in net for New Jersey. Jacob Markstrom. And I know it's only one game against Buffalo. He looked awesome. He was terrific in that first game against Buffalo. Jacob Markstrom looked really, really sharp in net. He'll be in the goal for the Devils tonight. Lean under. My one official play though is even though we barely missed it last night in the Leafs Habs game, I'm going back to the well with the draw here tonight with the Leafs and the Devils. I think it's going to be a competitive game. I think it's going to be a one-goal game more than likely either way. But I think a chance maybe we get this game into overtime. So, lean under. And I am on the draw here with Leafs and Devils. Alex, what do you think here? Toronto to Jersey. It's a lean with the draw because I do like that spot I said with Toronto. That's run rarely is that ever a bad bet. But I'm a little hesitant about the total going under. If this was three weeks from now, I would totally be right there with the under. Especially like six and a half at this price. But Toronto, first time being shut out in regular season, 227 games. I think this team comes out hot and ready. Like said, yes, Hilton means a solid prospect. I can see the defense playing a little bit better and trying to be a little bit more structured in front of him. But I do think he can give up a couple of goals. The six and a half is a little tight. I would say wait and see this kind of plays at a slow pace. Maybe grab it over alive at a five and a half or four and a half with a higher juice. And then we can see the goals kind of open up as this game moves along. Yeah, it's the same two guys. Someone asking Devils have injuries on defense. It's basically still Luke Hughes and Brett Pesci. They didn't play overseas either in the first two games and it's still the same six. Dylan Hamilton, Segan Thawler, Cova Savage, Casey and Nemich. They're six on the blue line. But this is a very interesting game looking forward to it. I'm sure for Sheldon Keith, a lot of emotions for him facing the Toronto Maple Leafs. The team that fired him in the off season for the first time. We've got two of those angles where you've got a coach facing the team that fired him tonight in NHL action. That's one of them and there's another one later. All right, next up Utah Hockey Club taking on the New York Islanders. Oh, by the way, with props in that game. Last but not least, Leafs and Devils. For New Jersey, Dawson Mercer and Stefan Nason, I think, are the value. Stefan Nason scored the first game. He plays on the power play. Dawson Mercer, I think, you know, has potential to get things rolling a little bit here for it. And I think he's played well against the Leafs. And I'm going to stick to Matthew Nye's, Nick Robertson for the Toronto Maple Leafs. I think that's your best value with their props right now. Robertson was one of their best players in the preseason. Nye's is undervalued and Nye's had a bunch of chances last night with Matthews and Marner on that top line in the game against Montreal. So I still think there's value for sure with Matthew Nye's with the goal prop. All right, next up, as I mentioned, we've got Utah and the New York Islanders. Islanders minus 150, home favorite, sixth of the total. Obviously, spot betters and situational handicappers and betters, Alex, are going to note the obvious here. Potential let down for Utah, the momentous, energetic, exciting, first night of NHL hockey in Utah. And Utah gets the 5-2 win against Chicago. Now you've got to go on the road following the euphoria of that first ever NHL game in Utah and take on the Islanders. So I get it. But I'm not laying minus 150 with the Islanders. I'm not. I get the reasoning to like the Islanders in this spot, for sure. But I'm certainly not ready to trust the New York Islanders in this particular spot, you know, laying a price like this. Like I said, I do think that the spot is in the Islanders' favor, for sure. But I'm just not comfortable at this price taking the New York Islanders here in this game. I'm on the draw here, Rocco. You got it. I've sprinkled on the draw here as well. The New York Islanders, our first chance this year to take a shot with the New York Islanders. So I did sprinkle on the draw in this game. But what I really like is the over. I can get 5-1/2 with this. Another sixes out there. But if you shop around, batano has over 5-1/2 minus 122. Bandool has over 5-1/2 minus 128. I would say lay that price to get the 5-1/2. Utah, I like them offensively. I've said that all off-season, all preseason in the first game that we broke down against Chicago. Dylan Gunther's already a star. Look at this guy. How good he's playing. And that guy will shoot the puck from anywhere. So if you like over shots on goal props, Gunther, for sure, for Utah. Dylan Gunther's been a Wyatt Earp shooting the puck from everywhere right now for this Utah team. Logan Cooley, Barrett Hayden, Clayton Keller, the new captain. I mean, they are not lacking goal scoring. Defense is still going to be a work in progress. Let's be real. Even though they only gave up 2 to Chicago. Connor Ingram was under serious stress in the last two periods. Chicago peppered him. They had chances. Just couldn't convert. The defense is better with Sergey Chev, but still a work in progress. And on the flip side, the Islander defense, not as good last year, obviously, took a step back. Barlamov is going to start the season instead of Sorokin. He'll get the start tonight. He's an inconsistent goalie. You never know what you're going to get one night to the next. I think Utah can score tonight. But I think the Islanders, dare I say it, this could be one of their better offensive teams in some time, if some of these players play up to their capability. You know, you've got Bo Horvat, Matt Barzell, Kyle Paul-Mary, Brock Nelson, the usual offensive suspects for this team. But they've got Anthony Duclair. And I know Alex has had his issues with Anthony Duclair in the past. But we've got to give him credit where credit's deserved. Last regular season was his best regular season of his career split between San Jose and Tampa Bay. He had a terrific season. As far as goal scoring and production, they're going to put him on the top line. Patrick Wa, right away with Bo Horvat, Matt Barzell. They love Maxim Siplikov. And he's going to start the season on the second line with Brock Nelson and Kyle Paul-Mary. They like his ability to infuse this team offensively and give them a jolt of production scoring-wise. So Siplikov and I think Duclair make this a better offensive team. Putting those two guys in the top six forward group. Puck moving defenseman like Noah Dobson on the back end as well. I think the New York Islanders will be improved as far as putting the puck in the net with some of these changes they've made. So you put the two things together. And at five and a half, I like the over here with Utah and the New York Islanders. Alex, what do you think here? Utah Hockey Club, New York Islanders. Yeah, I like the first period over here. I grabbed that at minus 118. It's available at Bette online and at FanDuel. They said I think we see a bit more offensive, a bit more pep in the step now. Full camp and then, you know, would now be over a half a year with Patrick Wa as a helm. I think you got to see some offensive output. I mean, you can't rely on being the all defense all the time team that has gotten you nowhere along the line for the last decade essentially. So they've got to have some offense. And I think Utah will budge and obviously bring the offense and speed of their own. And that is the team that it's good for them to have that first game, get that first home win under your belt and then take right off and get back on the road. I think if you were playing, if the Utah was playing a five game home stand to start the year and they got one or two wins, then they would start really kind of vibing and feeling themselves in a way and then all of a sudden you get humbled by a team coming in. This is a really good kind of schedule setup. Yeah, you got the win and get away from the press clippings and the readings and all the fans cheering and all get back to business on the road. And I would lean toward Utah in line actually in spot plus one 30 hasn't made my card yet. But I do love this first period over and I am on the draw as well plus 350 like said, talent is, and you get anything 350 or higher. That's a worthy way to most nights. I was impressed with Utah, especially in that first period again. Can they duplicate that on the road? There is that little fear in the back of your mind coming off the big moment, the big night of having your first game there in Utah as a franchise and winning the game that you fall flat tonight. But that's still not enough of a concern to make me lay minus one 50, you know, with the New York Islanders. So I'm with you. I think there is still value on Utah, even though I don't love the spot. I would almost if you like Utah, play it safer, maybe the over two and a half with their team total instead, which is at a reasonable price minus one 30 thinking they can get to three. But for me, mostly the draw and over five and a half for me and Alex likes the draw. Why not first game of the year with the Tylinders and I think this is a pretty competitive game as well. So we'll take a shot that this game goes to OT. Shout out to everyone in the chat, by the way, and then for props, because I do think there'll be a decent amount of goals in this game. Keller, Gunther, Cooley, maybe a shot with Josh Stone this time around as well. And then for the New York Islanders, the value is Dukler Siplikov. I really think so. I think that's your bar. That's definitely great value with both of those guys. They're in the top six on the left wing side. Dukler, we talked about how great he was with goal props down the stretch last year and certainly a Siplikov. I think he's got the potential to, again, provide much needed jolt for this New York Islanders team offensively. And they like the way he played in the preseason as well. So definitely some props to keep in mind there. All right, Pittsburgh Detroit. Wow, Penguin's back at it back to back after just a dreadful, dreadful performance last night against the Rangers. We've got Detroit minus 140 home favorites, six and a half, the total in this game. Billy Housso looks to be the front runner to be the number one goalie for Detroit. And I'm not shocked. I think Derek alone, the head coach would tell you. Billy Housso probably outplayed Cam Talbot, Alex Lyon, and the rest of that Detroit goal tending mon, you know, the crew that they have. And look, when he's healthy, he can be capable, but the health is going to be the thing to monitor with Billy Housso moving forward. Of course, there's a great buzz in the city of Detroit. Tigers are playing a playoff baseball game tonight. And then the Red Wings, of course, they're home opener at Little Caesars Arena, the pizza box as well. So I think there's an onus for the Red Wings. Let's keep these positive vibes going here. You know, it's good winning time now. Detroit's a winning sports town all of a sudden. You know, the Lions are having a great season. Look at what the Tigers are doing. The Red Wings, you know, might finally be able to break through. They'll at the very least be competing for a playoff spot this year. The Detroit Pistons, that's where it ends. That's where it falls off the tracks. It's been no doubt. We're going to Detroit, Danny DeKizer is joining us on October the 29th, Tuesday, October 29th. So Mark, the date will have Danny DeKizer back with us on the ice guys show former Detroit Red Wing, who was at the Tigers game actually yesterday. But when you look at this Pittsburgh Detroit game, I mean, the Pittsburgh looked so horrific defensively. And like I said, they don't have a lot of great able plus defenders on their blue line. Eric Carlson, ain't it? Chris Lutang at this stage of his career, ain't it? Ryan Graves is not as consistent and sturdy enough in his own end, I find. A lot of the, I mean, it's just goes on and on. Jack Ebeni, Jack St. Ibeni, he's still young. He's growing right now on that blue line as well. Matt Grizzly. He didn't even have a very good game last night. And like I said with Matt Grizzly, Boston is a reason why Boston says goodbye to a blue liner. You know, they know defense. They've had a great blue line all these years. Why were they not more eager to resign Matt Grizzly? You know, you have to ask yourself that. They were willing to let him walk, you know, that maybe Matt Grizzly's best days are behind him a little bit. Marcus Patterson is the one guy that I think he could say, yeah, reasonably good defenseman in his own end. The rest of them, there's big time question marks. Up front, they're supposed to be decent, but, you know, they got shut out by the Rangers and Igor's Disturkin. I think that'll be changed tonight. Detroit is not the defensive team. Detroit does not have the goal tending that the New York Rangers do. So I think Pittsburgh can get on the board. Sydney Crosby, Raquel Bunting drew a con. There's still some options offensively for this team. I think they can find the back of the net because Detroit to me, I like them offensively, Kane and Lucas Raymond and Alex Debrinkett, Terasenko. I mean, up front, especially the top six, they're loaded. You know, you can put a Michael Rasmussen and Andrew Copp on a third line. You can chip in a Joe Bellano and a Jonathan Bergrin on a fourth line. You can chip in offensively. But after Ben Sharat and most cider on the blue line, Simon Edvinson's young, he's been prone to mistakes in his own end. You've got Jeff Petry can be a little bit slower foot and he can be susceptible at times in his own end. Eric Gustafson can often be a defensive liability. You've got some question marks about defending on the Red Wings blue line in front of Billy Housso as well. So I like Detroit in the game, but I don't love the idea with a shaky blue line still for Detroit lay in -140. I still think they can win, but I prefer the Detroit team total. I think instead of laying -140 with Detroit on the money line, why not take Detroit team total over three and a half plus 108 at a very good price? That's the best way to approach it for me with the Red Wings, take their team total over three and a half plus 108. And I also like this full game over six and a half and I like an over trifecta. Maybe both teams to score at a first period over as well. I think there's goals galore tonight, Pittsburgh Detroit. There's a reason this is six and a half shaded to the over. I think you'll see goals galore, Pittsburgh Detroit, with more of them being scored by the Detroit Red Wings. We'll have to see, obviously, with this being a back-to-back for the Penguins. Will they confirm that it's Joelle Blumquist in net for the Penguins tonight? Because remember, Nadal Kvitch is not available. He's injured and I don't think Jari, especially after last night, starts on a back-to-back. So we could be looking at Joelle Blumquist and he didn't have a great preseason for the Penguins either. So, like I said, Red Wings team total over. Full game over are the two bigger bets and we got a smaller piece of the first period over. And both teams to score in the first period here as well for Pittsburgh Detroit. Alex Penguins, Red Wings. I think I'm just going to grab both of those overs in-game. I'm seeing, like I said, 140 to 142 for that first period over and then six and a half. I'm going to wait and try and get that down to a six, a five and a half. I've noticed something too with live betting and I'll have more information as we get closer to our first betcast. But I've been seeing where more books have now been adapting and moving those totals from, you know, half and a half point increments. So we're seeing the twos turn into one and a half, but we're seeing six and a half turn right into sixes and then five and a half. So you're getting some good value to grabbing a six sometimes, but, you know, you're not having to wait forever for five and a half to open up at minus 250. So you're getting some decent balance and some decent timing to go along with that. So check around with your books when you're shopping for these live prices to drop down. A lot more of them are dropping from six and a half to six rather than just six and a half to five and a half and then having to wait for the two hundreds and one eighties to kind of go down. So that's what I'll be doing first period over and full game over live at cheaper prices. You can probably say that both teams, Pittsburgh, Detroit on paper look better offensively than they do defensively. More so pits. Pittsburgh's worst, I think, even defensively than Detroit. And they're probably and they're I think they're probably worse offensively than Detroit, but both teams are still superior. The superior side of the puck is offense, both of them. And that's why I think you're probably going to see a lot of goals here tonight between them. And by the way, you talk about series history working in your favor. It does with this matchup. Seven and one to the over in the last eight head to head meetings between the penguins and red wings and look at these scores. 11, 2, 7, 2, 5, 4, 7, 4, 6, 3, 6, 3, 6, 5. I mean, you have seen just a plethora of goals head to head between these two teams. Like I said, in seven of the last eight have gone over the total between them. And then for props just quickly, not as many tonight. I'd still take a shot with Drew O'Connor alongside Crosby for Pittsburgh because he's playing on that top line. There's some value there for Detroit. You know, obviously, you know, you got the big guns up front. I think Lucas Raymond probably Lucas Raymond came on strong down the stretch last year. I think he's going to have a really good year offensively. If you're looking for value and some down-the-board shots for Detroit, then don't sleep on, you know, Bergrin and Valeno, even though they're on the fourth line. Valeno is one of those streaky players. I remember he was scoring in bunches last year at times. He's always capable, you know, down the lineup to make an impact for sure. All right, next up, we've got Columbus and Minnesota. Minnesota minus 270 home favorites here at XL Energy Center just down the road from where Alex is. And the total sitting at six and a half shaded to the under in this game. Hey, we struck gold fading an overpriced favorite last night with Vancouver. Although, you know, we needed to come back, but we still won. We're kind of going with that approach with Montreal and Boston tonight as well. We're just saying the price and the favorites lay in too big of a price. That's just basically the premise of why I'm on the underdog. And that's exactly why I'm on the underdog here. Columbus plus 2/3. This is just too big of a price for Minnesota. It's just too big. The overall package of the Minnesota wild is not minus 270 against anybody, in my opinion, in this league. When I look at the fact that outside of Caprisov and Joel Eric-Seneck and Matt Boldy streaky, you know, you've got a situation on the, you know, with Ryan Hartman can chip into. But there's questions about where the depth offense is going to come from. I will say this, they finally got Rodine Spurgeon healthy to begin the year. And that's important. They've always had all kinds of injury concerns with those two guys. But after that, I mean, sack of gozion on my third pair at this stage of his career, slow afoot, you know, a lot of miles on his body and his career. That's not what I want to see from that third pair on the blue line for John Hines in this Minnesota wild team. John Merrill, you know, hit or miss. You know, Jacob Middleton, you can fight these physical, but you can beat them with speed. They are going to go with Phillip Gustafson and Net, but the Gus Bus, one night can look great, and one night he can give up four or five. You don't know what you're going to get. Now, there are some injuries for Columbus, and I think that's influencing this price, too. You know, they're without their captain, Boone Jenner, who's on the IR to begin the year. Not ideal. Justin Danforth is out, not ideal. Dimitri Veronkov is out as well, not what you want to see with some of these injuries up front. But you've got, obviously, Adam Fantilly is going to, I think, take a step this year. You've got potentially a very good top line with Marchenko for them with Shinnikov and, I think, a very emotional, but very motivated, Sean Monahan, who is as close to Johnny Goudreau as anybody. And, you know, we've had a rocky relationship, right, with Sean Monahan, because we've called him out for bad playoff performances in the past. But he had a good regular season last year. I think there is really, he wants to put on a good season, I think, kind of in a tribute and of his dear friend, Johnny Goudreau. I could see him having a nice year for the Columbus Blue Jackets, Sean Monahan on this group. The blue line is still questionable, I get it. But, you know, Provarov and Wurenski, when healthy, could still be a solid pair. And the question is always going to be, what are you going to get tonight in net? Is Elvis Merselikens going to step up, put the mental demons aside? Because he's had a lot, right? Injuries, the tragedy with his, because of Kyvelinics, his countrymate years ago. Can he put that aside and play? I trust a guy like Merselikens more on the road than at home, because he doesn't have that damn cannon going on. And we've talked about that now for years. And of course, Tarasov, when he gets in, you know, can he, can we trust him? But the bottom line is, this not obviously Minnesota is still probably, I favor them, certainly. And I still give them an edge over Columbus. I just don't give them a minus 270 edge over the Columbus Blue Jackets. And that is why I'm on Columbus here, plus 230. And I know there's a part of me that worries that maybe this game, you know, they're looking ahead to that home opener, which will be a very emotional night at Nationwide Arena. But I look at it too, as maybe they aren't looking ahead to it. Maybe they just want to get on the ice, even though it's on the road to start the year. Have a good showing. Honor, Johnny, good role the right way. Not to mention, they have a new head coach. And from what I'm seeing, they're taking well to Dean Everson. Well, they know damn well, the team that canned Dean Everson is the team they're playing tonight, the Minnesota Wild. Win one for the Gipper takes over, potentially, for Columbus. Let's go out there and rally around our new head coach. Dean Everson and win one for him tonight in his return to Minnesota, facing the wild for the first time since he was fired by them last season. So the way I see it, I think there's enough that lines up here with the Blue Jackets tonight to take the shot with them here at plus 230. Alex Blue Jackets wild. I bet this, like, said several weeks ago, I had plus 190. And I just thought one Minnesota, we've seen this time and time again as an overvalued home favorite. And also, you know, a Dean Everson making his return to here in St. Paul. That was well before the passing of the drill. And I think now, like I said, when you add that factor in, of course, I said other injuries, we've seen this line balloon up. It's better for them to start this year on the road. And they said they're going to have to eventually, you know, go home, have that home opener, have the long ceremony, and which, you know, obviously they've been taking part in ceremonies throughout the preseason every team in the league has had their moment of silence and honoring. So, you know, sometimes now being on the road and now having the kind of storyline of Everson, not to say that takes away, obviously, from what happened with the drill. But, and I can say this personally, someone who's dealt with grief, sometimes having something to take your mind off of what's constantly been going on can be a good thing. So, if the club can rally around tonight, Everson and his return back, and then they don't have to necessarily, you know, think about what playing for Johnny, which that's going to be on the forefront of their minds when they get back home from the opener. I think that that just gives a little bit of clarity, just a little bit of space for that 60 minutes. And they say this is way too high of a price for Minnesota. Like I said, they shouldn't be laying 270 against anybody in this league right now. So, plus 2.30, I'm definitely all rad and a little bit more to the 190 I have. And slightly to the over, but this is a game I think we can wait and grab better prices again. Yeah, no doubt. This is the time of year two. Don't be, don't always be frightened to take a shot with a plus price underdog. I mean, we had two, we had three dogs win last night. It was a three-dog night. It was Montreal. It was Calgary. It was Winnipeg last night. Joy to the world. Joy to the betting world. I'm a sick puppy sometimes. That's all I'll say. All right. As far as player props here in this game, actually, I think there's some good value with some of these players here from the Columbus blue jackets. I like them up front. You know, it's going to come down to D and goaltending with them. But I think there are pieces up front that you like. It's what I said about Calgary. There's actually some pieces to like about Calgary up front. But I think when you look at the jackets, Shinnikov, Monahan, Marchenko, I think it's a good top line. I think they're worth a shot. Adam Pantilly for a gold prop. And I'll throw one out there too. Kevin LeBank. Who knows if this is going to translate to the regular season. But in the preseason, Kevin LeBank was a scoring machine. You couldn't stop this guy from scoring in the preseason. And now Columbus brings him in and they're putting him in a scoring role right away on the second line with Adam Pantilly. I think Kevin LeBank is probably worth a look here for Columbus here tonight as far as gold prop going into this game. It's one of my favorite gold props of the night, quite honestly. Because of the way he played in the preseason, he's getting an opportunity right away on that second line. For the Minnesota wild, you know, Caprisov and Eric Sinak have to be big for them. But it's one of these deals where the players in place on the top six or the players that have been in place for a long time. So you're not getting great value with a lot of the Minnesota wild player props. I would say maybe Yakov Trennan on the third line because we saw his offensive game kind of improve and tick up down the stretch of his tenure with Nashville. So Yakov Trennan, you know, might be someone to look at there potentially for value on the Minnesota side as far as gold props. But like I said, I think on the Columbus side in particular, there's some good value with some of these players. And like I said, Kevin LeBank will see if it can translate to the regular season. But I know in the preseason, Cuban Wayne Gretzky is right. I think he scored in every preseason game or just close to it. So it wouldn't surprise me to see him maybe get on the board. And I like the Dean Evansons putting him in there right away with Van Tilly. Second line, top six role, give him that opportunity to produce. There we go. All right, good stuff. We move on now to the maybe the game of the night on paper. Only one of the best games of the card on paper. One, I'll be looking forward to ESPN plus the great Bob was shoes and news as close as they've got to Gary Thorne right now. Call on this game for ESPN plus stars and predators. Dallas minus 125 road favorites, six and a half, the total here in this game, although it is six at a couple spots. Actually, there's more sixes than six and a half. So I will change that to six right now. But there are some six and a halfs as well. After you shop around when it comes to this total. This to me, this game is a great game to watch. But from a betting standpoint, as far as the side goes, Alex, this is like the parents that have to choose which child they love the most. And that's how I feel about Dallas and Nashville here tonight, which of these two children do I love the most? Because I've got tickets on them to both win the division, both win the conference and both win the Stanley Cup. And of course, only one can do that. Great game. What a game to start the year this could be on paper. You know, I love the stars up front. This is as deep a forward group as Dallas has had. You factor in a full season of Logan stank open to go with Ben Sagan, Wyatt Johnston, Rope Hintz, Jason Robertson. Go on down the list. They are loaded up front. This is a not Dallas team that's not going to have much difficulty scoring goals this year. Everyone plays up to their potential. The blue line does have some concerns, though, this year of a couple anywhere. I still like it overall. You love Miro Hayskinnen, who wouldn't. Esselindell, no issues. I think he's very good. Hayskinnen, awesome. Thomas Harley, we like Matt Dumba. This is a bit of a roll of the dice here to me from Pete DeBore. Matt Dumba on a top pair. And I know he's playing with Hayskinnen. And Hayskinnen can make a broomstick look good beside him. But still, Matt Dumba's got something to prove. He's not been consistent, not been great the last couple of years. So we'll see him playing alongside one of the better defenseman in the league. A defenseman, I think, can win the Norris Trophy this year in Miro Hayskinnen. And helps him on the second pair, of course. You've got Ilya Labushkin, who they brought in because they needed kind of a poor man's version of Christiana. I guess you could say with Ilya Labushkin, who can do all those things, block shots, physical. Just not nearly as great at it as, say, a Chris Tanneb. But Nils Lunkfist looks like he's going to get more opportunity on the second pair. Let's see how that goes. They like him. They drafted him. They think highly of him. But now you're asking him to play, you know, second pair minutes. We'll see how it goes. Jake Autinger, we've got no issues in net. Other than he's had some slow starts to the season, you know, in the past. Can he be on the ball right away as the question? Nashville, we're not going to go over it too much. We know what they did. They already had one of the best top lines going last year. O'Reilly, Otto Parts. Ryan O'Reilly, Gustav Nyquist, Philip Forsberg on the top line. And then they add to it with Steven Stamkos, Jonathan Marsh as so. They are loaded now up front. They can slide down. Luke Evangelista, Phil Thomasino, and very solid forwards down to a third line role. They just have infinitely more scoring depth and forward depth this year than Nashville Predators after bringing in Stamkos and Marsh as so. The blue line with Roman Yossi, who's ageless. It seems like he keeps getting better even as he gets older. Dante Fabro's taking huge strides on the preds blue line. They bring in Brady Shea, of course, which is a big difference maker as well to that blue line. And then, of course, in net, now, we've had contradictory reports all week. Initially, it was like Yossi Sorrows was definitely out. And then all of a sudden, we heard rumblings. He still might play, but now it is definitely confirmed. He is out for this game tonight for the Nashville Predators, and it will be Scott Wedgwood in net. And what makes this interesting is we know Scott Wedgwood's been a backup the last few years, but guess where he was most recently? Yes, with the Dallas Stars. So here he is, first game of the season for his new team with Nashville, facing his old team, the Dallas Stars. Now, you could say Dallas has the book on Wedgwood, but Wedgwood has the book on Dallas, you know, forwards in defense. So who's going to win that battle? You know, because you could make a case both ways. Dallas has all the inside knowledge of where Scott Wedgwood is weaker and can exploit it, or Scott Wedgwood can, uh, knows how Dallas tendencies of a Wyatt Johnston or a Jamie Ben or a Tyler Sagan, how they're going to shoot the puck, what kind of move they're going to make. So to me, it's a wash, you just let it play out. I like over six in this game, because to me, I think we've seen some slow starts from Dallas defensively and from Hot and Jurret times. I love them offensively. As you know, I think this is as deep a Dallas forward group line one through four as ever, and Nashville is a lot deeper up front. I think it will play out that way tonight. So I like Stars, Preds over six. That's it. I have nothing on the side here. Because I really like both teams coming into the season. It's a great game to watch on paper. No question. What do you think here in this one, Alex? Dallas, Nashville. Yeah, this is definitely the game tonight. This is one where you grab your, grab your food, your snacks, your drinks, or whatever you're smoking, whatever you're enjoying. This is one to sit down in front of the couch and watch. I like Nashville in the spot. Keep in mind what happened the last time these two teams played way back in February. Nashville got blown out nine, two by Dallas. I think some of the loss that forced them to cancel the U2 concert that turned their season around after that. That's right. That's right. So that's a huge point. And I think a lot of those guys, those older guys in that locker, remember that. And now you've added, of course, like I said, the two pieces of March and so at Sam Coast. I think Burch Stone Arena is going to be absolutely electric tonight. I expect a big win here for Nashville. I think even with Wedgewood and Net, that, like I said, helps you to cause even more. Yes, you would like to have sorrow. I'm ready for game one, obviously, off the new contract. But having Wedgewood go up against his old team, that is not that good against Dallas. One in three and four starts. But like I said, he's been a part of that organization back and forth for many years to now leave and go up against his old team. Like with going to be a big time spot. And like I said, for a backup guy to get a opening night start, that's always going to jazz him up. You always tend to see a better effort. So, Nashville, plus one on five. I don't even see it on plus one on eleven right now. I bet online definitely would grab any plus price with Nashville. Also, like the overs here, would probably maybe wait and grab, as I said, with a big card tonight. I'll wait and grab some smaller prices with maybe a five and a half and then try to get plus money to that one and a half. Yeah, I'm looking forward to this one. Of all the games on the card tonight, there's Toronto, New Jersey, I'm really into as well. No doubt, I'm curious what Ottawa's going to do against Florida. There's definitely some other games that interest me, but I think there's not one that excites me as much as this one here with Dallas and with Nashville here tonight. How can we not start the year betting Wyatt Johnston props? We did it all last year. We'll go back to the well again. I like Logan Stankovin, though. There's a chance Logan Stankovin's with Hinson Robertson up front on that top line. And if that's the case, Logan Stankovin's going to have great value, I think, as far as gold props, not only tonight, but moving forward as well. I'm even willing to take a shot this year with Haskin and goal and assist because I think he's going to be more involved offensively, which is also why I took him to win the Norris. I think he's going to be finally freed up, you know, to be a little bit more assertive offensively here for the Dallas Stars from the blue line this year. For Nashville, you know, goes without saying. I think Stankovin's is going to be playing angry and like a jilted person, you know, for what Tampa did to him, you know, not resigning him and giving him that low ball slap in the face offer. It wouldn't surprise me to see him playing like it. So any, you know, with Stankovin, Marsha, so maybe worth a look. There's actually value on say guys like Vangelista, Colton Sissens and Thomas Cino. These are guys that can chip in offensively and they're on the third line now because of, you know, bringing in a stamp goes in a Marsha so, and you've got that great top line, Forsberg O'Reilly and Nyquist. I mean, it really is impressive what Nashville's got up front. So it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out for Nashville, but that's also why I'm on this over. I think both teams have improved themselves offensively going into this season without a doubt. Tommy Novak, too. Good call. Thomas Novak, Dave. Don't sleep on him. He is a very underrated player and he is capable any night as well of chipping in offense. His prop too. He probably has a little bit of value tonight for this one. All right. A final game for this Thursday night NHL card. We've got the St. Louis Blues taking on the San Jose Sharks. St. Louis minus 160 road favorites, six of the total in this game. First home game for San Jose. Probably a better atmosphere and an environment than they got all of last year simply because of the excitement in the building and in the area for, you know, the debut of two first round picks. Not just obviously Macklin Celebrini is the headliner. The number one overall pick, but they also have Will Smith, who they took last year in the first round. He'll be making a San Jose Sharks debut here. So the future starts now. I guess you could say for the San Jose Sharks going into this game tonight against the St. Louis Blues. So there's a little bit of good and there's a little bit of bad for San Jose coming into this year. Let's talk about the good first. They are absolutely a better team up front. Forward group is a lot better. I'll say that right now. They will be, I think, at times when they're clicking and they're rolling, you know, a very difficult team at times to defend. William Macklin. Macklin Celebrini and the veteran Tyler Tapoli, you know, on the top line. I like that mix with Ryan Worsofsky. It is NHL head coaching debut. I like what he tonight. I like what he did there putting those three together. Eklund Celebrini and Tapoli, you've got Will Smith, you've got Fabian Zetterland. Started to get his offensive game going a little bit down the stretch last year. I like the additions they made to the bottom six forward group. Ty De Landria, who is a victim of the numbers game in Dallas because they're so loaded up front now. There is just no longer a spot for him and they can't sign everybody. So he winds up here in San Jose. It's a nice depth addition for San Jose. And then the two players they got from the New York Rangers. Barclay Goodrow and Alex Wenberg for that third line. I think great additions here for the San Jose team. There's no doubt they're a better forward group. The problem is the blue line. Still a mess. Still a potential disaster for the San Jose Sharks when you look at that blue line. I mean, when you look at the fact that you've got guys like Mario Ferraro as a second pair right now for the San Jose Sharks and Jan Ruda. And I like Jake Wallman, who they get from Detroit and Cody Cece who of course they got from Edmonton. But that's a top pair blue line? No. Jake Wallman, we like, but not as a top pair number one defenseman. And same thing with Cody Cece. I like Cody Cece, but as a top pair defenseman playing all those minutes. Always having to be counted upon against the best players on the other team. That's not exactly what you want to see. And then there's a lot of questionable depth beyond them as well on that. So that blue line is still a mess. And then in net, you know, they were holding out hope that a scar off is ready to take that step. And he's not ready to take that step because they demoted him to the American oculi. He's starting the season there, which means we're back to the same old recipe. We had last year in net with Mackenzie Blackwood, you know, as your number one goalie to start the year. So who knows how that's going to go. You've got Vitek Vanna check behind him. He didn't have a great year last year. So the issue for San Jose is going to be defense and goal tending. They're still porous on paper in both those areas, the blue line and in goal. And that's the concern. I think they're definitely better up front, Alex, but deal and blue and goal tending is still the major, major problem right now for San Jose. That being said in this spot, I think they're live. It's just to me a question of how to approach it. Because if you look at St. Louis, Alex, they didn't play that good against Seattle. They were completely dominated for half that game. Then they made it 2-1 and the game turned on a dime. They ended up getting the lead and they hung on to the 3-2. But for over half that game, they stuck. They were terrible, St. Louis. So they're going to have to play better than that because San Jose's amped. This is your home opener. You're debuting these two young kids. You're two first-rounders, Salabrini and Smith. This is going to be a game where San Jose comes to play. St. Louis is going to have to play better if they're going to win here. I did take San Jose, small plus 1-40. But I think the safer bet and the better bet because of the question marks and the concerns, Alex, that I have for the San Jose blue line and gold tending. And they still exist because I don't think they're that much better on paper entering the season there. As they compared to last year, I don't think there's much improvement yet. I like the team total over 2-1/2 with San Jose at -120. Great price, great number. I think they can get to three goals here tonight in their home opener against St. Louis. And I think it's probably going to be Jordan Bennington once again in net for the Blues, although it hasn't been confirmed yet. Another thing that makes me think San Jose is going to make this a tough game on the Blues, not just that St. Louis escaped not playing their best beating Seattle the other night. Go look at the series history last year, Sharks versus Blues. San Jose 3-0. Did San Jose sweep the season series against anybody else in the NHL last year? I don't think so. Not off the top of my head. But they went 3-0 last year. San Jose head-to-head against the St. Louis Blues. And that was a horrible St. San Jose team last year. So I just think the Sharks are live here in this home opener with all this excitement behind these young kids. It's Hofer. Thank you, Rich H. It's actually Joel Hofer confirmed in net here tonight for the St. Louis Blues. Yeah, I still like St. San Jose. I've got a piece of them plus 140, but I've got more on the team total. The team total is what I really like over two and a half minus 120 because I don't fully trust the Sharks blue line or their goal tending, which again, does not look like it's all that much better on paper this season compared to last year. Alex, final game here, Blues Sharks. Yeah, I was going to pass, but now, especially with the confirmation of Hofer, I'm right there with you on that team total two and a half. I see minus 122 at FanDuel, so I will be grabbing that as soon as we go to break. But yeah, this is a spot where isn't Sharks, you know, you got what you wanted from last year, right? You had the horrible year, the tank, and you have Macklin, Celebrini. Now you have Will Smith coming up, making his debut as well. You got a brand new head coach. Things are turning around in San Jose and you know, they're going to get their wins early. We saw them do that. You know, kind of get a couple wins here and there early in the year. Catch a team like St. Louis said, who they looked completely out of sorts in the first 30, 35 minutes of play in that game against Seattle. And you kind of say, oh, well, maybe the only start had something to do with it. You know, I'm sure that had to be a bit abnormal to have a day game as an opening start. So if that's the case and maybe the Blues, you know, come out hot and it's swinging early. So I do lean with the first period over. I lean with both teams of score. I'll probably wait live for that first period over, but I'll add both teams of score to my card. How sharks plus 140 something, but I think they said to display a little safer. They should be able to get three goals on over. So team total that over two and a half. Like I said, minus one 22 at band. Yeah, I don't want to be sitting there at 2 a.m. in the morning or 1 30 a.m. 1 a.m. Whenever this ends on the East Coast with only San Jose plus 140 in pocket and the game ends five for St. Louis when the team total would have cashed. I think to me, the team total, you you at least want to split it 50 50 between money line and team total. And in this case, I've got it 75 25 percentage split 75% on the team total over two and a half. Twenty five percent. That's all. That's all I split split up for that. I would definitely need I might tell that fully, but I definitely I know you said I'm playing a full unit on that over two and a half. Yeah, I think that's a great number and a great price. Because I really do think they could be not just a little improved offensively. Maybe a decent amount improved offensively. Like they've got they've got look at what they've got. They've got Eclan who showed glimpses down the stretch. Sederland and then you factor in everybody they brought in. Good draw who showed some offensive flash in the playoffs. Wenberg on the third line. Obviously Smith and Celebrini their first round picks the veteran Tyler Tofoli. I mean, they look like a much better deeper forward group and much more potency offensively on paper. This year. But the problem again is that blue lunch just miserable. I mean, I'm not like I said, I like Walman and CC as players. I don't like them as my top pair. Sorry. I don't see those two guys being top pair defenseman. Maybe they proved me wrong. Jake Walman and Cody CC. Maybe they do. But I'm going to have to see it before I believe that's why I'm definitely feeling better about the team total for San Jose going over as opposed to them winning on the money line tonight. So that's why I've got more on the team total here in this game tonight with the blues and the sharks. Yeah, as far as player props go. I think we'll sprinkle on all the kids. Eclan little piece of Will Eclan to score a little bit on Zederland and of course Smith and Celebrini in their first game for the San Jose Sharks. Maybe even good draw and Wenberg the two new sharks and for St. Louis. I'm going back to the well with Holloway if we bet on Holloway Dylan Holloway who we had on Tuesday against Seattle. He had a bunch of chances. Puck didn't go in for him, but it's a great price. He's still there on the top line with Robert Thomas on that top line for the St. Louis Blues. And like I said, if he keeps playing like he did against Seattle, the puck's going to go in for him eventually with Thomas and neighbors. So I would say Holloway Neighbors, Tessier, Kyrieu, your top four goal props for St. Louis Neighbors, Holloway, Tessier and Kyrieu. But again, I think the best value for sure is Dylan Holloway getting him at +550, by the way, at Caesars for Dylan Holloway to score a goal. No question about that. All right, good stuff. That is the Thursday NHL card. I hope to everyone in the chat, almost over 400 viewers live on the various platforms right now. We appreciate it very much at the like button on the way out. patreon.com/isguys. Make sure you sign up. Again, just $10 per month. goalie charts, totals, charts, power ratings. You've got written articles. You've got obviously the daily betting card, sides, totals, player props, each and every day posted from me, Alex and anybody on the show that is a guest. 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Alright, bargain bin special of the night. Still looking for our first winner believe it or not with the bargain bin special tonight, but you're going to go through droughts like this when you're taking longer shot player props throughout the course of the season, but we stay the course, we look for value, and we know we're going to get our share of winners with this segment throughout the course of the season. Alex, where are you headed tonight for the bargain bin special? That three different goal props that I was choosing from that all qualify for the bargain bin special may all will be on the final card on patreon. But the one that stuck out the most for me is Kirby Doc. For Montreal, I like him to score anytime plus 350. Like I said, I think they're going to give Boston some fifths tonight. Swamin may not be completely ready off off the go. When I think Kirby Doc can be one of those guys finding the back of the net. So at plus 350, I'm available at FanDuel. Anytime goalscore, we're going to Kirby Doc for the bargain bin special tonight. All right, there we go Kirby Doc for the Montreal Canadiens against the Boston Bruins. And again, you can get a very good price on Doc tonight in that game anywhere to upwards of even plus 550 at bet 365 for a Kirby Doc to find the back of the net. I'm going to go for my bargain bin special to someone I already used once and it fell short. But Dylan Holloway, that's just an incredible price plus 550. And even though I like the sharks to score in that game, I don't know if they totally shut down the blues with that defense and goal tending. So Dylan Holloway plus 550 for him on that top line with Jake Neighbors and Robert Thomas. That's still great value. So I'm going back to the well one more time here. Dylan Holloway, St. Louis Blues plus 550 for my bargain bin special of the night. All right, best bets to wrap things up. Push for me with the best bet last night on the Jets Oilers over six. But I know Alex cast his with Rangers Penguins first period over one and a half. We'll see if we can keep the great run roll. We're still undefeated on the season as a collective with best bets. Alex, what do you like tonight for best bet? Yeah, first period overs, they ain't broke. We're not fixing it yet. We're going to go with the same kind of flavor. We're going with Boston Montreal first period over one and a half minus 125. Like I said, Kate and Primo can't trust him. Jeremy Swamin with no camp and no structured practices. Can't really trust that either. So it's like a couple of goals early. Bees and halves first period overs my best bet Thursday. All right. There we go. Montreal Boston over one and a half first period of best bet for Alex B. Smith. My best bet. Who would have thought first week of the season? And the San Jose Sharks are best bet material. And yet here we are tonight on this Thursday slate. San Jose team total over two and a half minus 120. That is going to be my best bet. I think it sets up perfectly. Catch the blues off a comeback win against the Kraken. Definitely a better vibe and atmosphere in the building tonight at the Shark Tank SAP center. Bringing in the first rounders making their debut. Macklin, Celebrini, Will Smith, a better forward group up front and the beauty of this bet is. We don't have to worry about what San Jose does defense. Just score three goals and we cast our ticket. I think they can do that. They can do this for us tonight, especially with now over confirmed in net for St. Louis. And remember San Jose three and oh against St. Louis last year. San Jose team total over two and a half minus 120 for my best bet here for this Thursday card. That's a wrap. Thank you to everyone for joining us. Hit the like button on the way out. Reminder, the ice guys is live seven days a week. Monday to Friday 2 p.m. eastern Saturday and Sunday noon eastern. 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