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Kent Swanson and Matt Lane go live with Tucker Franklin following the Kansas City Chiefs Week 5 game against the New Orleans Saints to break it down and react to the result. — Sign up with promo code KCSN to claim your Free Pick + First Time Deposit offer up to $1,000 in bonus cash! https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-kc-sports-network — The best Kansas City sports coverage in one place. Download our app now!

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Kent Swanson and Matt Lane go live with Tucker Franklin following the Kansas City Chiefs Week 5 game against the New Orleans Saints to break it down and react to the result.

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Also, congratulations to the Kansas City Royals, splitting the series in New York, coming back to Kansas City for two games, going to be a lot of fun. But we are going to be celebrating a Kansas City Chiefs victory tonight, 26-13, over the New Orleans Saints. I'm here with Matthew Lane. Matthew, I know you were, I know you were a one-screen guy tonight. I know you were a one-screen guy tonight. I know that you taste, which is great. That's good. Yeah. One of us seems to be. Absolutely. You know, I mean, I guess, you know, we can never mind. I'm not going to make any jokes. Good job, Royals. I'm glad that they tied it back up, going to Kansas City, and everybody that had their two screens go in, or was that either one of the games and watching the other on their phone. I'm glad you guys had a fantastic time. Go Kansas City sports. But yeah, we were, we were a one-screen person. I do have a bone to pick though. I have a bone to pick with the Saints for somehow still being just so unbelievably boring that even the Chiefs' best performance of the year kind of feels a little home. It's such a bif or the Chiefs' best performance of the year, but the Saints made it very clear from the very first drives of the game that they are not a good football team and somehow made this very boring despite the fact that the Chiefs are playing good. I blame the Saints. It's all on the Saints, but no, it was still a fun game for me to watch nonetheless, because I think there was a lot of positive things to take away from this game. And look, I think when you look at the, you look at the National Football League right now and you look at all these teams that are sitting at three and two and five games and you look at all these teams that are dropping games like the Bills and the Ravens to the presumed contenders for the Chiefs. When it comes to their pursuit of the AFC One seed, the Chiefs hold a two game lead heading into the bi-week with a ton of adversity. They've lost their starting running back. They've lost their best wide receiver to injury. Hollywood Brown before the season even starts this team has went through a lot of adversity already early on in the season and they've still come out and they've won the first five games of the year against what FAO or F-O Football Outsider Shats says is the toughest schedule of any team through the first five weeks of the season. So a ton of kudos to the Kansas City Chiefs for taking care of business when a lot of other teams have struggled to do so. So five in O moving on after a victory on Monday Night Football over the New Orleans Saints. And look, a two score game is a blowout. A double digit win in the National Football League is a blowout and this game felt more like a triple up of the of the of the New Orleans score. It should have been 39-13 it felt like instead of 26-13, but the Chiefs still take care of business and some positive signs on both sides ball Matthew. I mean, the Chiefs over doubled the Saints yardage, totally yards. They held the ball for nearly double the amount of time dates that the Chiefs made some mistakes. Obviously, right. But it's not like they clearly clearly out gained the Saints with penalty yards or turned the ball over more. This was a they dominated this football game just some misfield goal, some execution issues in the red zone, which I'm sure we will talk about some point in time. Made this game seem kind of close, but it never really was like, right? Like I don't hear the game got us in three points like it never really felt like it was close because the Chiefs were dominating from start to finish. That's what I said. I blame the Saints for making that feel boring somehow. I still think it's on them, but this was somehow the most complete performance that she's had. Right. They're down their top two wide receivers. They're offensive line. They're you know, they're playing their now second string left tackle because he's start he's become the starter. He gets hurt a little bit. They're down. They're starting running back. Like they have all these just fill in pieces. They're trying to figure out in real time because they haven't had a buy week yet. They're all these things are happening during the season and yet they still come out and probably played their best game of the year, their most complete game from not only start to finish, but both sides of the ball. This is what you want to see before they go into the buy week, right? Like this is the kind of game I think you want to see them put together, even if there's still some stuff left out there for improvement going forward. You know, I never said I said I wasn't going to be picking blowouts for the foreseeable future, but this game was a blowout and we got a lot of the positive indicators that we were hoping to see and then it also, you know, it materialized into a very dominant performance from this team. We can start with the offensive side of the ball. Definitely some flashes, you know, Patrick Mahomes throws for over 331 yards on 39 attempts, high completion percentage, cream hunt rushes for over a hundred yards, reduced misused or 130 yards receiving a very complete performance from the offense, the most complete performance from the offense that we've seen today and they still, hey, look, a miss field goal, red zone execution, like still plenty of little things to go. But they flashed the ceiling a little bit and this kind of felt like one of those games that you see the Chiefs do this. Hey, it's an NFC opponent. We're not going to see him again. You're definitely not seeing him in the Super Bowl. I had a hundred yards. I had to go double check you because I thought there was no chance he was getting hit for every five yards. They know more longest rush, eight yards at 102 yards, average 3.8 yards a carry, which is not particularly great. It wasn't. It was a good day. I just, you said that and that blew my mind. The cream hunt topped a hundred yards in this football game. Yeah, but I mean, this was the kind of offense that this or, you know, this is kind of its performance. They put together high volume, a good game and, you know, definitely some stuff that they're going to want back. I do think it's kind of interesting because like, you know, I, I think the film is always never as good as you think it is or never as bad as you think it is. I'm curious to see what the, what the look like will be for all of us looking back on this game when we rewatch and all that kind of stuff. Cause I think there's a lot of good things and still plenty of things that we, we can acknowledge like they can get better and this team can do a lot better as they kind of try to build towards playing their best football in January. Yeah. I mean, I, this game was good to see, right? And it felt like the cheese kind of fell back on some things that were a little bit more reliable to them. You know, it's a lot of Juju Smith, Schuster, not saying it's a bad thing, but it started out with a lot of Kelsey, a lot of multitide insets, a lot of Juju Smith, Schuster, a lot of the run game with cream. I like the stuff that they felt comfortable and familiar with, almost like they were trying to get to the bi-week, which you can't blame them, right? But like, it almost feels like this team was trying to kind of get through this game, not in a, they don't care, just they want this game to be over quickly. They want to get to the bi-week so they can figure out how this offense is going to work, what they need to do to write this ship because it hasn't been clicking great so far. How are they going to replace her? She writes it felt like that to me. They kind of went back to some of the basics and the Saints were wholeheartedly unprepared for a very normal looking cheese passing attack. This was the same stuff that they seem like they've been running most of the year. They just execute a little bit better, but to your point, there's a lot left. I think there's a lot left out there. I think Patrick Mahomes still sat a couple shots downfield, they he wants back or would like to take a shots downfield. I think pass protection was a little up and down and yet we look at it and they scored 26 points with the missed field goal. They didn't have great execution in the red zone, like, yeah, you flip a few switches and this team's once again, putting up 30 points near 40 points with absolute ease versus a defense. It is a terrible in the New Orleans Saints. No, they, I mean, the Saints have done have had some good defensive performances in the season. One, two, six points ties with the Atlanta Falcons were able to put on them, but they held the Eagles to 15. They held Dallas to 19. They held Carolina to 10. Maybe that's not a compliment. I don't know. But, you know, this is, this isn't a bad defense. Yeah. So, injury, you know, luck issues or injury issues kind of, you know, fall on the negative side for them in the last, you know, last couple of weeks. But yeah, I think that you should feel good about what they did. They had, they found a lot of the success in the middle of the field this week, which was something that like, I don't think that they'd been able to find and like, I don't know if it's just some of the, you know, the route concepts they drew up or the Saints just not doing a good job of covering it. I mean, this was an opportunity for Juju Smith, just to eat a little bit Travis Kelsey found a little bit more success got going a little bit between the two 16 catches 200 yards on the day for Juju Smith, just your Travis Kelsey combined. Both of them found some success in the middle of the field. Yeah. And again, that's what I was saying. Like it felt like the Chiefs were relying on the greatest hits and you go back and I think when you we sit down to get to watch it, I think you're going to see a lot of their concepts are just going to be a deep over route with a, you know, a drag underneath it or a drive route underneath. Like they're going to do a lot of stuff where there's two guys going across the middle of the field and they're just using the first guy to run through and cleared out and they're finding a Juju Smith, juicer or a Travis Kelsey in behind it. And it's just, this is literally the Chiefs greatest hits from the past six, seven years of past game and the Saints just didn't seem to have a great answer. I thought my home was operating pretty well on it, right? Like I'm not saying my home was played a perfect game, but he seemed to be in a little bit more control over what this game was. I think he left a few shots down there on out there on the field, but like some of those I also think he was just not taking because it was a slightly riskier throw or it was going to be maybe a riskier play that he wanted to make in the moment given the status of the game. So I did a good job. I did a great job going to Juju Smith, juicer. They found that guy. It's going to replace the Rishi rice roll, at least in the meantime, like, hey, we know exactly how to use this guy in this role, because guess what we did it a couple of years ago. And I think without him, I mean, like this team, I'm not saying they lose it or anything like that. But I think there's a huge part in this game of just having that familiarity to that exact type of role. Yeah, I think, you know, there wasn't how chief expectations for Juju Smith, juicer, specifically, you know, like there's not, you know, he didn't have a ton of success in New England last year. And you know, there are some talks about, you know, his health and whether or not he was going to be kind of the same guy. He's been in a recent memory. This is still kind of a young player. Maybe the knees aren't necessarily young. But this team knows how to use him. This team has had success using Juju Smith, juicer in the past. And I think there was a little more optimism within the building that they were going to get more out of Juju Smith, juicer than you saw in New England. And I think that's absolutely the case because last year, Juju Smith, juicer had 260 yards catch up in the air the entire season today. He has half of that total in just one game. And so Juju Smith, juicer, you know, he's kind of put together a nice little season already with this big game. And he's going to be relied upon a lot more. I think there's more questions about whether or not they need to continue to insulate that room and continue to add bodies, especially with the health of a Juju Smith, juicer. But he really did shine today and help kind of replace a role that this team badly needed to fill. And so good on Juju Smith, juicer for going out there. I want to get back to my home is because like, yeah, I know like there's some frustration about maybe some of the shots that he didn't take, but I thought this was a big step forward for him in 2024 from what we've seen in a recent memory. And I thought there was a lot more calmness and command to how he operated today. And I know it sounds a little bit weird to say some of the moves that he was making just kind of trying to, you know, shift and move and kind of trying to scramble a little bit. But I just thought that everything was controlled chaos more than it's been the entirety of the year and not to say that it's been bad, but just this was the controlled version of the scrambling. I think he tried to hold on and give some plays a chance from the pocket that maybe he wouldn't have another week. Like I thought, you know, he was really trying to give structure a chance a little bit more. And you know, I thought he did some really good things in this game. The interception, obviously, you know, hey, he could throw a front shoulder instead of a back shoulder and maybe that's a little bit easier on Juju and that's ultimately what makes this game even remotely close. This should be this could have been a 33 to six game or 37 33 seven game quite easily and maybe even a little bit worse if that touchdown goes in, you know, goes in the end zone from the two-yard line. But no, I thought I thought Patrick Mahomes had a pretty solid performance. Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm doing. Like, it's pretty solid. It's better than he's been since the Baltimore week, like I think it's his best game since that game one. It is entirely different. It gets Baltimore. It seemed like there was a little bit more, especially in the first half, a little bit more aggression, a little bit more like we're going to try to make stuff happen. And then it's something kind of changed in the second half. But since then he has been, I don't, I don't know if I fully agree with like the idea that he's just seeing ghosts that he's getting, you know, scared of the pocket or anything like that. However, I do think he's very uncomfortable back there and that is shortening the timer in his head on how long he can wait for something to develop. And I do think there's a lack of general trust in some of the wide receivers or all of them without or she rice that guys aren't going to be open when he wants them to. And that's going to make him kind of move off of reads a little bit quicker. And then that's going to speed up your process in the pocket. So I think there's a lot of things working against him and that's why the biowad's coming in the right time. But to your point, I think in this game, you could see him clearly trying to force himself to stay in the pocket, trying to stay calmer. And I know you watch his feet, you watch some of his movement and it looks erratic and like he wasn't doing that. And I think that was him very specifically trying to stay in the pocket. So there's a team trying to deliver passes when they come on time. I don't think it always worked out, but he was trying it. So yeah, for that reason, like I do think this was his best game over the past few weeks. He's reacting to a situation that has clearly made him feel uncomfortable and had him playing one of his worst stretches of football since he's been in the NFL. And then you come out to this game and you have a great game. And if you erase that use that interception that he throws, it's a really, it's probably a good game rather than just eating like a solid, a fine game. It's a really good game. And this throw wasn't perfect, but I think when we watch the end zone view, you see that he has to change his arm angle to get around the second level defenders that are biting on the run action of the RPL. So it was like, I think it was actually a pretty sick throw. It's still due to his machines to, you know, in the back shoulder, but still in his shoulders. Like, I don't know, I don't really have too many complaints other than not throwing a few deep shots. Yeah. But I think everything outside of just a few deep shots was just so really, really good performance from him, continuing to build, continuing to get better. And hey, like this is a response, right? Like, hey, another week without Rishi Rice, you know, in like last week, you're kind of scrambling. You're trying to hold on just to win the football game. And this week, it's like, okay, we don't have Rishi Rice. How are we going to handle things? And Mahal throws for 331 yards. You just misused her. Looks like the same guy that he has a nice night on Monday Night Football at GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium. Very nice night. Tuckity Franklin. You got some stats for us. Don't you, my friend? Oh, buddy, I got all kinds of stats to read you. This one is from Josh DeBao. I don't think that's how you say it's a lot. DeBao. Cheese have gone 16 straight regular season games without winning the turnover margin only teams to go longer without winning the turnover margin since 1960 are the Oilers with 22 games in the Browns with 17. Oh, yeah. By the way, the Chiefs have won 11 straight games. So that means that they have gone a lot of games without winning the turnover margin. Also the Chiefs have won 11 straight games, as I mentioned, without scoring more than 27 points, which ties an NFL record, an incredibly good feat by the Chiefs there. And last one here from Benjamin Solak, due to Smith Schuster, who was cut by the Patriots this offseason, has more receiving yards tonight, 117 that any Patriots pass catcher has had in the game this season. Checks out. I mean, and look, credit to Juju for, you know, kind of, you know, putting himself in this position. You know, it's been an up and down times since he left, since he left New England. But I mean, good for him for, you know, continue to get out there and like he looks healthy. Like, you know, like, I think that's, that's an important piece of this too, is, you know, there's a lot of trust with him in my homes, which is a really valuable thing to have, especially when you're just, you know, scrambling to try to keep things together. I don't think it's, I don't think it's the coincidence that the guy that he has the most chemistry with, the two guys that he has the most chemistry with saw 18 targets tonight. I don't think, I don't think, you know, between Kelsey and Juju, I think, I think that that's probably pretty obvious, right? But yeah, no, I'm good on Juju. I'm excited for him. And like, this is a big opportunity for him, even if the Chiefs are to go out and grab Omari Cooper at the buy, you know, at the buy, like this, this still, the arrow is pointing up for Juju Smith's sister Tucker. You have more? Yeah, I do. This is to eat another one for Benjamin so like I have dubbed this team as the multiverse Chiefs team just because there's so many different light players from different errors on this Chiefs team. He'd been so like against tweets out, Juju Smith's sister is 130 receiving yards of the most in a game since 2021 season with the Steelers. That was 1,366 days ago. Cream runs 102 rushing arch are the his most in a game since the 2022 or 2020 season, excuse me, with the Browns, that was 1,422 days ago. Wow. That is a they just keep finding ways, man, it's just it's, you know, some of the, some of the, like you said, the multiverse right like just multiple characters coming back. Yeah. Hey. Well, I mean, this team is, this team has done this in the past. Like I feel like they've tried to bring some of their guys, you know, from, from other errors in the past just when they need them, you know, so like this isn't all that surprising, right? Um, sure. I don't know. It's just a goofy team. I was just talking about more of the stats, right? I was talking more about like all these stats and tuckers bringing about like how chiefs are winning games at these really weird ways that nobody else does, which I mean, makes sense. Right. Like, and not even weird ways. It's just not that they've been the most dominant team in the NFL over the past five years. And so much of it now is coming in the very, very non dominant ways. It's just a funny, it's funny to watch this team play and continue to be good. We're sitting here in Patrick Mahomes has an even touchdown to turnover ratio, touchdown interception ratio. And they're undefeated. Right? And like they've won every single game and like he can't put the ball in the end zone, you know, better than he's turning the ball over, but they're undefeated and the defense loses a luxurious team and we're all sitting here, you know, almost weak. You know, we got like, ah, they could be better at this position or that position, but yet they're undefeated. So like it's just, they are a funny team right now that just happens to find a way to win every single game. And I think that's how you know that they are going to continue to be a Super Bowl contender no matter what happens. There's only one team that's four and one in the AFC and everyone else is three or two or worse. Like they've set themselves up tremendously. 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Yeah, they're going for the three P right there, but you can go to chiefs.com slash GEHA to enter a chance to be a coin toss captain for the back to back Super Bowl champions. We're going to take a break and we'll be back right after this. Got him slacking, I'm just going to keep going now. Yeah, I mean, I wasn't ready for that as well. I was talking with the chat about some stuff, but whatever, we're going to take a break now. Shop chief tickets and more with no fees plus same big with code KCSN at ticketsforless.com. The official ticket provider of KCS sports network with big wireless providers. What you see is never what you get somewhere between the store and your first month build the price you thought you were paying magically skyrockets with been mobile. You'll never have to worry about gotchas ever again. 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We've given like the nod to it, but like the chief defense once again was absolutely stellar in this game. We spend a lot of time, especially without Craig around here, who's good, you know, he's doing well guys. Um, without Craig, we spent a lot more time talking offense now than we do defense. So I think it's time he's time to dive into the defense. And again, I want to preface this. I blame the saints for making this very boring and not really feeling like there's like a lot that I can just stand up real super tall and talk about because the cheese dominated them. The defense dominated the Saints office. The Saints office couldn't find a rhythm. The entire game was just Derek Carr throwing Yolo balls off his back foot when they had to throw. Alvin Kamara couldn't get going in the run game. Like what, what are the saints do? What were the saints supposed to do? Well, because it wasn't anything that I saw. I, I really don't know honestly, because like the offense has kind of been up and down the last few weeks and went for the same specifically and like they didn't do much. They didn't have much going. They had one explosive touchdown, which we talked about and it was that 43 yard touchdown to Rashid Shaheed. Nice little double move against split, split safety that she's just didn't really have anybody there. There's a great play call and like they needed every bit of it, right? They scored that touchdown. Then they scored a touchdown later off of the Colin Saunders interception, which I really can't even get mad about because I love Colin Saunders. He looks like an elite athlete. They should get involved on offense. Um, but like I just thought that she's, I think that she's had a, you know, I think that a fantastic game plan and like here, we'll just say, C-Spagnolo owns Derek Carr Derek Carr, I have missed watching Derek Carr kill plays before they even barely after the ball snap because he knows he doesn't have an answer for a quick win from Chris Jones or a wide open blitz from, you know, uh, one of the linebackers. He just burns plays so quickly and I have a desperately missed watching Derek Carr just kill some of these plays. C-Spagnolo was in his bag, C-Spagnolo bit, bit, went back to what he does against Derek Carr, which is terrify him, throw pressures at him, uh, throw pressures at random times against him, random quarterback was, there's one time I watched Justin Watson, bullet sounds like he's not coming. There's no, he's not capped. He's not, you know, he's not coming brings Justin Watson was like a second down play, uh, against a condensed formation. Like Steve, this is the week that Steve gets random and Steve got a little bit random. He had Derek Carr's number yet again, and I think with Derek Carr, the New Orleans Saints had less than 200 yards in offense on the game. They only eclipsed 200 yards when Jake Hennard ended, Jake Hainer entered the game. So I, I just want to say, um, thanks to the super chats guys. We see you guys from David Callis, Scott Morin, uh, primetime Rambo says, I don't need a star, but I needed them to get another pass catcher. True. Um, get it. I'm afraid that after this performance, or Julius Michuster and this offensive output that the chief's are going to think that they are good at wide receiver. No. Oh, Baja, shut up. No, I, uh, I don't think so. I'm not. I think they know that they need to continue to insulate themselves. They need to continue to plan for the long haul. Julius Michuster missed some time last week, Travis Kelsey's on the, you know, wrong side of 30. I think he's getting, you know, if he's on the way, you know, towards, uh, towards a gold jacket. Uh, so I do think that this team will probably, um, can, they'll, they'll need to go out of another player and, you know, the Mario Cooper is looking nicer and nicer every single time. Uh, I think about it. So yeah, no, I think they're still going to, I still, they still got to add it. I know we kind of joked and I know we were kind of joking the DMS like this might be enough to just keep them from doing it, but I still think they got to do it. I mean, yeah, I think they got it. Juju had a great game, but like, Juju Smith-Shuster won on all the exact kind of stuff that, um, that you're not getting into a different wide receiver to play. You're not getting another wide receivers or run to a wide open zone over the middle of the field because you cleared it out. You're getting another wide receiver to be reliable in the red zone to beat man coverage when teams do go man coverage. Like I don't, I don't think this game impacts that at all. And I think we also kind of saw Skymore despite a very thin wide receiver group fall out of favor. Justin Watson couldn't get any targets in this game. All of McColl's targets. Well, he did do some nice things about the line of scrimmage. So I do think it's still entirely positive. Like a good performance for me, Juju or this, this offense puts anything like that out of reach. There is clearly room for another guy here, but back to the defense, you know, what's funny? Can't. Derek Carr is like wildly average versus Magnolona's career. Like he is very average. He's not terrible. He's got terrible. He has these wildly average and it's funny because you watch him and every time I watch him play, it's like, you're right. He looks panicked. He looks like he doesn't have answers and he just starts throwing stuff off his back foot and like bailing away from what might be something that's going to get him hurt, which unfortunately in this game, he did get hurt. But sometimes it just seems to work out for him. And I think that he's had some big games against these Magnolona in his past just because of that kind of nature and like how he plays this game, but this one was certainly not one of them, right? Like he was, he was scared off the staff on some of these plays. They couldn't get the run game going. And I think that really messed the Saints pass again. Like this, it didn't feel like they had anything to threaten this chief's defense with from the after that Rashid. She long touched down. It didn't feel like they had anything to really threaten the chief's defense until the very end of the game. And at that point, it was just a matter of time. It felt like until the cheese kind of blew the doors off of a semi close game. Yeah. Yeah. I think if you take away and like, okay, you take away the biggest player of the game, you know, but it, it was very feaster fame. There wasn't consistent offense. It felt generated by the New Orleans Saints. They put a couple of drives together. They made some big plays when they needed to, but in between that, it was a lot of like he got got and he burned some plays. They didn't really find a great rhythm credit to the, I think you made a great point credit to the run defense. 15 carries 46 yards for the, for the New Orleans state. Alvin Kamara held 11 carries for 26 yards on the day, just an absolutely dominant performance on the ground and stopped in a way that no one really had. I mean, when the, when this Saints team is rolling, he's, I mean, five and a half yards per carry against Carolina, 5.8 yards per carry against Dallas and going for 115 in that game. Carry 87 and 77 yards on the ground in the two games against Philly and Atlanta today. Only 11 carries 26 yards just in one, one long run of nine, like they just had things short up and they put, they put Derek Carr in this offense behind the sticks so frequently that that's when Spagg's got to go into his bag and I mean, Derek Carr just had to burn some plays. It was thrown him into the dirt. And like you said, like so many throws off the back foot. Just like, you know what? We don't have an answer here. Let's throw it off. Let's just throw it up and see what that good throws, right? Not good throws off your back foot where you're like impressed. Like, you know, where he clearly was just kind of throwing a moonshot down there to see if his guy could run underneath it because he didn't want to get hit. And like it's just, it, it's funny when Derek Carr gets into that mode and it happened in this game, but like also like the, the Chiefs did that to them. And then like, yeah, you just look through like they just, they got no traction. I, you know, Chris Jones, obviously was great. They paid a lot of attention to them. First on warden had a couple really nice pass rush reps. I thought one of the better defensive players for the chiefs on the field. I mean, Nick Bolton, I thought was phenomenal in this game. You had a couple of screens and like swing passes and he read real quick that she's got him going on some of the run blitzes there in the second half when, when the game was like kind of fake close, they're like, okay, you're going to try to run your normal offense to get down New Orleans. Okay. Well, here we're going to send 32 on this a gap blitz regardless of it's a pass a run. You're going to see how you figure it out. And they couldn't figure it out when they ran the poll ever. He was beating all of the blockers to their spots. Like, I thought, well, continues to play better this year, right? And like a lot of that as we said after that first game that was bad was, uh, he's probably working himself in the game shape. And then I do think that teams have not done as good of a job as we thought they might or as they did towards the end of last year of attacking the chiefs on the second level. Like, yeah, we can make pick sometimes against the chargers or against the Bengals where this second level, the linebacker group, one totality was targeted in patch and coverage, but like it hasn't been near as bad. This year, as I think we thought it was going to be based on some of the stuff we had seen at the end of last year or to kick off this season. So Nick Mullen, I thought played one of his better games and might have been the chiefs best, at least their second best defender out there. Oh, for sure. And I think that, you know, the New Orleans found a little bit of success in the middle of the field for some stretches in the first half, but ultimately it was not something that was leading to a ton of drives that were, um, you know, get, they weren't able to generate consistent drives. And like, I think the Chiefs took a good job of putting, you know, when those catches over the middle of the field, like it was a first in 10, it turned into a second in three and the Chiefs were competitive for two downs, even in, you know, a second in a short kind of situation. So they did a pretty good job of solving that. You know, Leo Chanel had his, his coverage from, you know, some struggles from the, from the coverage perspective, giving up the touchdown to foster Monroe and Drew Trank will have some issues there too. But I mean, yeah, I don't think that the linebackers were getting stretched and stressed the way they have in some of these other games against the past. And yeah, I thought from a run game perspective, yeah, this is one of the Nick Bell, Nick Bolton's best games, uh, maybe it might have been his best game of season. Honestly, it's so his timing on the run blitzes, I thought was really good too. Like it wasn't just like he had, he had the snap countdown and like he was like, he had it. He had, he had the cat, he had the countdown right. So, um, made some big plays there and like continue to create those negative plays and okay, now, now SPAC's getting his, his bag, he knows, he knows how to, he knows how to get after Derek a little bit. So I thought that was, uh, that was really good as a good performance from Nick Bolton. The seats with the opening drive, they, so they picked up a couple of first downs up through that interception. Then they went three and out, three and out, then long touchdown, or the long touchdown play. I don't want to say drive, right? Like they picked up, I think one first down on a third and short and then a couple of plays later, they hit the long, the nice design play for a touchdown. They went three and out again, end of half, then they didn't pick up a first down, but then punted immediately after that and only gained a total net yard of one yard. Like that was their first having about six possessions with just like that. They couldn't do anything functionally on offense. It just in no point in time, it felt like they had any kind of answer for what the chief defense was doing. It's like more so, I think than picking out on specific examples, so much of what the chief did right or wrong, I think you just look at the totality and said, I don't think the Saints were scaring them with anything. They never once made the chief defense play on their heels. They never once really gave the chief Stevens a whole lot to think about. Like they had two touchdown drives. One of them was a good explosive play. They caught the chiefs and quarters coverage. They got their best vertical threat wide receiver one on one with the safety and he bit on the double move. That's going to happen. If you get that look and the pressure doesn't get home, but outside that, like they just never really got anything going that I think put Peter into the chiefs and I did know I did want to note that, um, crystal lava, I know got banged up on that interception play, but he still went out there. Got four targets for two catches for 10 yards, buddy, Trim McDuffie had that man in hell. Like Grisolave was having a hell of a time, even trying to get open against the Duffy. You ruined my joke. I was really, really hoping you weren't going to bring crystal lava up because I was going to say, you know, she's a dominant performance from the chiefs. You just have to wonder what would have happened if crystal lobby had played. Oh, wait, I thought you were going to go for it. I, I, I, Trim McDuffie had another outstanding all pro day against, uh, crystal lobby locked him up. I thought he did an outstanding job when he was in coverage against him and like the chiefs did a great job of keeping him. Honestly, the chiefs were, I mean, we talk about like, Hey, like the linebackers, like they really weren't getting picked on necessarily. I don't know if the, this, the saints, I mean, you know, Alvin Kamara has some ability to, to break some things off against, you know, the linebackers, but I mean, a lot of, a lot of the passing game was, you know, largely in the middle of the field still, you know, like they're like, you know, you talk about the receipts, you eat in the middle of the field split in it, but they're, I really didn't get a ton of stuff going outside. Like the saints were kind of living in a box. Like I'd like to look at the next gen stats on, on Derek cars passing, you know, bubbles because it really didn't look like they did, you know, much in the way I get in the throw in the ball and having success outside. Now they didn't, they tried some stuff outside. They threw some of those fades up top, but like a lot of stuff felt like was in the middle of the field for the most part, they hit nothing to the outside. I didn't get, I mean, a lot done in the middle of the field either. Um, I didn't get a lot done. You didn't get a lot done, right? Like I'm looking right now, um, trying to do a quick math in my head. It looks like throwing to the left outside of the numbers, right. I don't know if the numbers are the hashes for next gen stats and five, a seven throw in left, um, six of 10, throw it to the right in the middle of the field. We're looking at like six of all like eight or something like that. So yeah, not particularly good, no matter, like not a lot of production coming anywhere from Derek Kors there on the ball. Um, it felt like to a lot of those deep shots of the outside were him. That was with those pranks. Those were him just throwing off his back foot. Like, Oh, I got nothing. Let me just throw this goal ball down the sideline and see if Justin Watson gets out run by our faster guy. The D and Tucker D Franklin stands for defensive stats. Tucker, what's she got? Part of the 33rd team on the X to see if it's the start of last season points per game allowed 17 point point four. That's first touchdowns allowed 39. That is tied for first yards per game allowed two hundred and ninety six point eight. That's third total sacks, 65. That's tied for fourth evens of EPA per drive point five. That is fourth since the start of last season. I mean, you can't say much, right? He said, Oh, my God, I, I know that, like, look, look, I do think this team is missing luxurious need for sure, but the chief has been good. Like, I think it's enough time to say, like you talk about the DVOA. I mean, this is a, this is a five game sample size. There's still a long ways to go. But I think one of the hallmarks of last year's team is they hit the ground running because they had some familiarity with each other heading into last season. And you heard, you know, I think Nate even said that there was a story about a couple of rookie defensive backs saying, we even know the defense just wait until we finally learn it and they learned it last year. And like, it does feel like Steve is a signal is able to be a little bit more advanced with this group than he has in the past as the slow build. Like with the tired Matthew teams, it was like a slow build towards, you know, what this offensive or defense is ultimately going to look like in the playoffs. This team can be in their bag a little bit more, I think, personally. And, you know, they definitely were again today and like, Hey, look, this is five games with by DVOA, the toughest schedule in the NFL. And they're five and oh, and they're the only AFC team with a five and oh record. So I don't know, man, it's just starting to add up. I mean, I know we can pick we can get critical about some stuff at the same time. It's just producing. They're doing good stuff. Yeah, I mean, like there's a again, I blame the Saints for this not going to be a more riveting conversation because they just didn't they didn't give you anything to make the Chiefs chat, like step out of their comfort zone to really get, and I don't want to say an idea of how good they are. We know the Chiefs defense is very good, but they didn't give you a lot to like challenge and be like, okay, why is this a good? Chiefs play the Ravens. You got to figure out how to stop Lamar Derrick Henry. The Chiefs play the Bengals. You got to figure out how to stop that passing attack, which are more Chase and Joe Burrow. And when they have T Higgins, T Higgins, so on and so forth, you're playing the Saints and like it didn't feel like they were ever having to emphasize what they wanted to stop. Obviously you have to stop Kamara, but it felt like the Chiefs are just playing their same basic run defense that they always do where they're going to start throwing in a lot of run blitzes. They're going to try to play hard contained from their deans rather than trying to spike anything inside and flow over the top. And they're just going to muddy it up and see what happens. So yeah, great performance. They've been great for a long time. Now they don't want to have to say, I don't want to admit it. They're a defensive team, but boy, they sure seem like we might be in for another year of being a defensive team, which is like fine. That one of the Super Bowl last year, it's not a bad thing. You just got to make sure that you keep getting the execution working on the other side of the ball. And, you know, maybe when you play a couple more offenses with a more capable quarterback than car, you have to go through a few more adjustments. C-Spagnola has to dig a little bit deeper in the arsenal and not just be like, ah, I'm going to do that. Everyone blitz and yell while they run it their car until they scare. I'm kind of move it works. It works. Let's bring in some goody Franklin here. I just want to, you know, we haven't asked your opinion of the game. Want to hear from you, but also see if you've had any quotes. If you've been able to capture any quotes from the press conferences. Oh, yeah, let me figure out how to change this around here so I can get on. Oh, hi, oh, yeah. I did just see this quote actually. This is from Brandon Zinner. He said, my home's on Kelsey's catch and lateral. I told him this is quote from Patrick Holmes. I told him I was throwing it to him so we could get into field goal range. And he laterals it all the way across the field. It's like I'm talking to Sterling. Uh, it's, and he tried to say that that was planned that there is no shot. That was a planned lateral. Why not? You sure about that? I'm sure everything was flowing away from the back. Travis Kelsey cuts back in and the back is ready to receive a perfect toss. Just because he's ready for a lateral doesn't mean it was a planned lateral, though. If it's Travis Kelsey's out there, you have to be ready for the lateral. But I think practice it every day of life. I can say that they run it every day, tuck. No, I don't want to be full. I was like, this one looked, this one looked less intentional than the one it was in the preseason and this one did not look as intentional as the one in the preseason, but that could also just be on p-ride for for selling it. Great. You know, you're a wrestling fan. Maybe p-ride is just the greatest seller. Talk about that ball, ball, ball, ball, ball. You know, you know, when you're an option running back, you got to be yelling ball all the time. So you get to hit the ship. He makes it look like he's about to go on a little, like a little check down that, oh wait, sorry, the ball is coming to be on a lateral. You didn't even think of that. Neither quotes tucker. I just saw this tweet from Curtis. People each team's feature running back against the chief's defense. Derek Henry, 46 yards, Zach Moss, 34, B. John Robinson, 31 J.K. Dobbins, 32. Alvin Kamara, 26 combined, 66 carries for 169 yards. That is a pretty good rush defense there from the, uh, I mean, he gets a cheese there. Harder than the right. Nine yards. Uh, did I notice that? Yeah. How does he send your total? Yeah. Oh gosh, I just, um, how many yards do you think Kareem Hunt has in his two games as the chief now? It's kind of pretty darn close. Cause he was, yeah, I think it's, I'm going to hit over. I'm going to hit over. You think Kareem Hunt's over the 169 mark? I, can I, can I tell you the number? It's over under Tucker. I'm going with over. I'm feeling good. Matty over under. Oh, I know. I was, I had the question. So I looked it up. You were so, I'm the only one that doesn't know. Yeah. It's a great line because 171 yards. Russian nail it. Two games that Kareem Hunt has outperformed at all the starting, you know, running backs against the Kansas City tree, but also at the podium right now. He just said it's a great feeling to get back in the end. So that I missed it. That's why that's why I threw a hard up to show my love for Casey. Let's get. Well, I mean, yeah. Hey, another, another touchdown. Another good performance from Kareem Hunt and another, uh, another good performance for the offense here as they continue to build towards, uh, towards January, man, talk about, don't, don't go to toes game. And don't go to toes game. Cause there's something else I want to talk about. What is it going to? This is great. Okay. Good. I haven't got so nervous because I really wanted to talk about this. Look at this screenshot. This is really good. This isn't good for the audio listeners, but this is great for the, for the people on YouTube. Look at the screenshot. This is Patrick Mahomes with an outstretched arm after doing what quite possibly might be the just like most ridiculous quintessential Patrick Mahomes play of all time of just buying all this time, looking like he's about to throw the deepest shot of all time, pump faking, running backwards, and then diving for the first down immediately. First, it was called short, but then it was reviewed. You did get the first down. Um, if you're a defender, what do you do, man? Like, that's a great coverage by the saints, but then you just had this dude fly across the air after avoiding the three sacks and he gets the first down, and they just want you, your defensive coordinators on this tweet on Twitter, even the coordinators, why don't you go out there and play the next play? You can't do that. Like, I don't say it's such a great play. It's so phenomenal when he runs up to the line, pulls it back. He makes two saints players running through each other. Cam Jordan shows that it might be time to hang him up. Um, and then he makes that dive. It's such a good play and I hate that in my mind, it's forever going to be marred by the fact that I think he had Xavier worthy wide open for a touchdown to put the game away when he did the hitch and he just didn't throw it. And I don't know why and I, I got to wait and watch again, but it looked like he was running a post behind an over route that pulled all the safeties away. And that's where you see my home start to step and throw. And when he does it unleash it, they showed the end zone view one time. Like that's going to be on my mind every time I see that play as great as it was. I, uh, I want to see if I can attribute this real quick. Okay. Yeah. There's this guy, um, on Twitter, uh, his name's, uh, at Craig underscore KCS and, um, I sound familiar, um, Xavier worthy had 28 total yards. That's still one of the most impactful players in the game. And I agree with that. Like you get the passenger friends called down the field. Um, I think the verse will stretch ability of him and like the cheese is starting to threaten and starting to prove that they can't throw the ball down to feel a little bit, but Holmes throws the ball down a little bit, field a little bit more. They hit the play last week and like that. In that impacted the game and left a lot of things in the middle of field open for a reduced misused or Anna Travis Kelsey, because there is that vertical stretch threat that does exist. Like it exists in like, I know Maddie wants them to throw it even more and keep pushing the ball down the field. And there's plenty of time for that in the second half of this season, but I do think just his presence down the field is definitely making an impact on the ability for things to kind of be a little bit loose underneath. And oh, by the way, on top of those two, in those 28 total yards, three catches, but also, hey, a touchdown, another touchdown scored for Xavier worthy in this game. So, um, I do think he had a, he had a good performance and there was some opportunities left on the field that he could have had even more. Yeah, I think his impact, like his actual impact on a real football game. And it's very easy to see when you sit back and watch, like how often teams have to respect the speed when the chiefs do run him across the field, how much interacts, if he's horizontal, like when they run him vertically, some teams have been a little bit more accepting of just letting a corner try to squeeze him into the boundary. And that's where I think we've seen the chiefs try to take a couple of these more shots with him on the outside and whether that's going to be his main use, you know, throughout his chief's career or not, will be BC. And like, I don't know if that's the best use of him, but it's there, but it's when they do have him run the post, when they have them, they run these overs, he really pulls coverage and opens up a lot of space. I think that's really obvious when you watch him. I am curious coming out of the bye week if we don't see him get to do more stuff, though, because even in this game without her, she writes and when I understand last week where she guys gets hurt in the middle of the week, you don't know what's going on, even this game, though, it doesn't seem like his role changed at all. Without her, she writes like maybe there was a play here. They may be one of the screens here there. They would have called for rice instead, but it didn't feel like he got any of her, she writes his role in this game. I don't not saying that he's going to run the zone beaters over the middle of the field, but it feels like they could expand what he does a little bit more. I think having the bye week with the extra time to get that in, I'm curious to see what their next game looks like for him. I think the impact is there. The stats aren't always following because of their little bit more high volatility plays, but I wonder coming out of the bye week, if you don't see him start to get used in a lot of different ways and really start to unlock just his direct impact. I think that's where the impact, some of the, like we say, like there's still plenty of plenty left on the table. Like I think Xavier Worthy's involvement, Xavier Worthy's ramp up and glow up is going to be spectacular. I'm very encouraged by what we've seen to this point. Four touchdowns on the season, by the way. You know, he gets six targets today and like a lot of them are, you know, there's some manufacturer stuff in there and there's some vertical stuff that didn't pan out entirely, but like I do really think that there's plenty of meat left on the bone for what Xavier Worthy can do. I do think, you know, he's really got to work on his tackling technique because Colin Saunders took him. He had this sucker. He was trying to punch it out and like Colin had just tucked it away. That's more, that's more good on Colin than I think it was on Worthy. He's, he's still a rice punch one out and he said, okay, my home isn't anywhere nearby. Let me go ahead and go for this too. I mean, it was funny watching Colin and Xavier there, but I can't, like I saw, I don't think anybody's mad that Colin Saunders got that big. That he was. That he was. I didn't know he. I still am. I still am. You catch the ball, Jude, Jude. That was a great throw. You guys are all talking about great with plays for Con. Yeah. Wait till you see the ends of you. That was a fantastic throw that's ruined because Jude let it go through his hands. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Hey, these are the things that this team is going to have to do to get better as they continue to build towards the Super Bowl, baby. They go to five and oh before the buy. They take care of business. One team is within one game of them in the AFC and like that's got to feel good because this team continues to just win football games against a tough stretch. Like if you had told us, you know, if we've, you got told heading into this season that the Chiefs would be five and no heading to the buy. You feel pretty dang good about where this team was at. And I don't know how many, I mean, you would have signed up for one. And here they are five and oh. And I mean, the margin of victory is what eight, five, 13s. I'd be 20, 33 like there wouldn't every game by about a margin of seven. Like this is, this is, this is an impressive performance so far from this team. So no big blowouts, but this is the closest thing that we've gotten to a blowout to this point this season. Now it's time for post game Tucker. How about that? Well, it's actually a toast game. I said toast game. No, you said post game. It's time for toast game. There you go. That's better. I didn't want to sit on a bad note, you know. I, we have to make sure it is, it's, it's, it's on a good note. So we can send it to the. [MUSIC] Toast game, of course, presented by Ben Holiday, bottled and bond bourbon. Obviously sipping on the KCSN foundation soft red, the bale pick that we did earlier in April. Absolutely delightful. And if you went to the KCSN golf tournament, you did get a ball of that. I had one of my, I was at one of my friend's house for the games today. And he cracked that bottle out, made some old fashions. So yeah, good, good burpee. Anyways, we'll start with Matthew. Toast game, what you got? Whoa, me and say I had a deep cut that I wouldn't, I didn't want to put that first. That's all right. Oh, I'm Tucker. No, no, no, no. Okay. My czar. Deep cut. Good help. My bad. Well, kind of. Patrick Rose got a swagger back fellas and it felt good. It felt good to see him out there messing around. Just goofing off with the boys. Hidden Travis Kelsey wide open. Hidden Juju Smith juicer wide open. Handed it off to Kareem Hunt. He's got a swagger and I'm excited. And we would be talking about another crazy Mahomes play. If some other p-rind just put his hands out there and caught it, hauled in another touchdown pass because he's back. Tell us the rest of the league. They're shaking in their boot. They can't stand it. The Chiefs, they're five now going into the bi-week and Patrick Mahomes just now has his swagger back. So. All right. It's a Patrick Mahomes. Maddie. Bean. Oh, good. I like that one. I like that one. I, I hope, I hope you're right. I hope you're right. And I love that you're calling your shot on like a zero touchdown performance. Like that's perfect. This is a whole swagger. It's five. This is a five space. This is how you do it. I'm with you. I get it. I get it. Little Mike Penel. I think we spent a lot of time over the years talking about trying to find a defensive tackle to play next to Chris Jones. How the Chiefs are going to stop the run. How you can't look to Sean Wharton and Chris Jones out there together. Sometimes you even can't put either one of them out there when you need a run stop. Right. Well, guess what? The Chiefs run defense has been great this year. We talked about it every single week how running backs aren't doing it against it. And I think a huge part has been Mike Penel, who has been clearly the best nose tackle of them and the way he's played last year in the playoffs. Then so far this season, he's been the best nose tackle to play next to Chris Jones and to see Spaggle era. I think he's doing a fantastic job eating up blockers. I think he's forcing runs the right way. Like I just, it's not something that's going to get a lot of praise. He's not going to get a lot of stats. He's not even making these tackles. But I think Mike Penel has been excellent and the Chiefs have kind of found their, their starting, so to speak, nose tackle to play next to Chris. All right. Yeah. I like it. Here's the deal, boys. It's been a big night for Kansas City. Oh no. You knew what I was going to do, Matt. Don't do it. I'm totally doing it. Toast game is going to the Kansas City Royals for winning in New York tonight against the New York Yankees. Big win for the boys in blue. Uh, I mean, Garrett Hampson. Look, why guy Garrett Hampson is out here? Just, I mean, putting together clutch hits left and right. Like he should have been in the lineup the entire year, but shout out to Garrett Hampson. Shout out to the Kansas City Royals. Tucker, you have a stat or you have something. I got a quote from jazz, jazz Chisholm. Did you see this? It feels the same that we're going to win it. I don't feel like anybody feels any different. We're going to go out there and do our things still. We don't feel like any team is better than us. We had a lot of missed opportunities tonight. So they just got lucky. Seth Lugo, game three. Kansas City Royals playing on Wednesday night, so we'll find out. We'll find out what Clark Schmidt can do against the Kansas City Royals and Seth Lugo at the K. The first time the Royals have had a playoff game at the K in a minute. And the first time the playoff game for Kansas City going to be a lot of money. So to the Kansas City Royals, getting a toast game tonight for me. Also seeing some mentions here, we've got to get Kareem Hunt, some love. We've got to get Nick Bolton getting some love here today. Kyle Isbell, I think, getting some love. I don't know. Yeah, why not? But the Yankees are lucky to have split in the Bronx. And I can't wait for that. It's going to be a bi-week so you can enjoy the Royals a little bit. Maddie's going to be back here on Wednesday to talk about the NFL Draft while the Royals game. Let's go. That's going to do it for this episode of the Casey Laboratory. Thank you all so much for listening, watching, supporting. We love you. We appreciate you. We'll catch you later. Go get a Mari Cooper.