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Today on the Too Turnt Up Tuesday 8:00 Buzz with Lolo Lature and RR Moore, Sharon Irwin joins us to talk about the City of Madison Police Civilian Oversight Board (PCOB), the trials and tribulations of creating the board and getting it going, and working to undo our violent culture. More information on PCOB, to attend a meeting (next meeting 9/19), or apply to be a member: https://www.cityofmadison.com/city-hall/committees/police-civilian-oversight-board More information on Wisconsin’s elections from League of Women’s Voters: https://my.lwv.org/wisconsin / https://www.vote411.org/wisconsin More information on Tony Robinson’s murder and the fight for justice: https://captimes.com/news/community/the-story-behind-an-eight-year-fight-for-justice-for-tony-robinson/article_0657f7d2-8d0a-5303-8356-6f98401f6aff.html Catch Rausea and Lolo in “Stanzas& Strokes” this Saturday at Xscape in Beloit: https://www.facebook.com/p/Xscape-Bar-Grill-61558183025306 Playlist of today’s music: https://spinitron.com/WORT/pl/19527491/Tuesday-8-O-Clock-Buzz Listen in Madison at 89.9FM or online anywhere at wortfm.org. Support your community radio with a donation online at wortfm.org!

Broadcast on:: 19 Sep 2024
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This is Tara Wilhelmi, your Tuesday morning host of the 8 o'clock buzz. We love bringing you this eclectic blend of community, culture, and so much more. In return, we ask for some support through donations to the station. It's easy. Go to wortfm.org/donate. Thanks for your support, and thanks for listening in. You're listening to WRT, 89.9, Madison, listener, sponsor, community, radio. The People's Station. Man, listen, this is 2023, and we swing in chairs. I am not my ancestors, B. Good morning, Madison. Good morning, Madison. It's a two-time Tuesday crew. Mine is mine, it's just two. We were just jamming, man. John, I'm waiting on another music break. I got more moves over the dance. Hey, it's your girl Lola Latour, not the girl from next door. Okay, and it's far more from around the way all day. That's what we're doing. That's what we're doing, okay. That's okay. We're missing Tara this morning yet again, but she will be back with us next week, Tuesday morning buzzers, but you know what I say, we've been holding, I feel like we'd be doing a good job. You feel me? We were doing pledging, we were doing all types of fundraising, but it's beautiful, W-O-R-T station, W-O-R-T-F, you know, you can always give, by the way, just because the donation pledge drives me, and it doesn't mean you're practicing. Keep digging deep, keep giving, keep making those calls in, 608-256-2001. You know, usually in the morning, we get, we're pretty lighthearted, wouldn't you say? Pretty much, I'd say so, we lighthearted, yeah. You like to have a good time. It'll be different in the morning, in the morning when a good mood, everybody's happy. If this is a nighttime show, you'll probably be a little bit different. Listen, after the BBC comes on in the morning, it's like, you can meet us, you can meet us. After that BBC, I'd be like, you know, it ain't that bad, it ain't that bad. Like, my God, how many people raped her? Why is this happening? Why are we doing this? Yeah, it was horrible. I'm praying for that lady because that was really terrible. You guys need us, John, and the stuff you guys put on here. Well, we're just going to contribute to that today because we're getting happy today, listening. Yep, yep, yep, yep. We got some discord for you all today. We're a little, we're a little deep. Let's talk about it. We are, we are. 17. Yep, the 17th. It is what on the body here, this month on the skull. This month is almost gone and, and last and two months, we'll be having one of the most historic elections, I think the United States has ever seen. Listen man, listen man, this election is already, my little sister called me the other day and she's like, I'm not going to say my homeboy name, but she's like, Hey man, what's up with your homeboy? I'm like, what's she mean? Check, I'm finna block him. You finna block him? I'm like, yeah, I don't like the way he's talking about the presidential candidate that she likes. But the point is, people are crashing out, man. People are making sure that they saying this and saying that people ain't being having enough sense to understand that they're accountable for what they say. That ain't that big of a deal that my cousin, my sister blocked him, but it's a lot of that about to be going on around here. It's a whole lot of that. Yeah, you know, I was, I was experiencing the same thing. And for the first time, I think in my voting years, I'm experiencing that same type of feeling like towards people where it's like, I don't want to judge you for your politics, but I think it matters. It matters where you stand. It matters. You know, what you're, what, because we're not just voting on policy. I feel like this term around. It's a little deeper than that. That and we can barely get any policy out of the candidates. I'm worried about the policy. That ain't our problem. That ain't our business. You know, my dad at Gary Carter, I'm on my three years. Who's your dad? Every show. Let's go. What we got from Gary? I'm on my three years. I'm on them from Gary's a co-host. He ain't never even been. He's never even been on here, but he's dropping words of wisdom every time. Believe it. He used to tell me, don't get it confused. Politics is one thing. Curism is another. Curism can take an entire election, just by seeing a charismatic, fun, lovable person who can take an entire election. But I also, you know, while it's important, I think that everybody understands that yes, a specific duty to vote. I don't think people really know how important it stands for them to get out there and make their voice heard, no matter which way you're going, who you're voting for, doesn't matter. A lot of our, I was just reading up today and a lot of the elections, particularly local elections, are one by less than 100 votes. Less than 100 votes are deciding and determining who our senators are, who are, who we're putting in as state representatives, all of it. Between summer, less than 500, most are less than 100 votes. And so it kind of put in perspective when you've heard all your life, you know, just that one vote can make a difference. It really puts that into perspective for me. Like, hmm, maybe that one vote really is making that one difference. Yeah, because you got to imagine if, if, I don't know what the numbers are, but just imagine that the numbers got to be real small in people that actually vote. So at that point, you think about people that voted versus the people that are just talking about it. You know, I mean, a lot of people talking about it ain't even going to the polls in the first place. So it comes down to, I can imagine it does vote down 100, 500 or less. I can imagine that. That seems like it makes sense. Yeah. And you know, I just, more than anything I want to stress, I know that we have a lot of undecided voters. I know there's a lot of people that don't know if they're even going to vote. There's election awareness. You know, I saw a couple of skits that are talking about a child, but you know, ignore them, ignore them. Because Lola Latour loves you over here. We love you over here at WRRT. And more than anything, I think I want to hear about more about where the industry is. I want to hear more about why they wouldn't want to. Because we fought, we all fought for this, right? We all fought for democracy. And it's a really fragile thing. And I think it's important that all of us uphold our part in keeping democracy alive. So, I don't know, I just wanted to talk about it with the surrounding and on the election and everything coming up. And we've got some local elections that are coming up in November. Some referendums that are coming up. And we need the help, Madison. Well, I had decided, with our more y'all, that I was going to bring on my mom. And so that we can have a personal touch. My mom has been a Dane County resident for longer than I've been alive. And she has worked closely with a lot of the civilian boards that are coming up that we're giving more power to the people out here. And there's some pretty important elections coming up in November. And I wanted to invite her on to talk about it. Let's talk about some of the ways that we as residents can help and to help improve our city. You know, I'm in Milwaukee, but I'm always, Madison is my city, and I hold it down like super. So, I saw it coming. I saw it. The crucible. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Right, I think he's slick because he's called my, called my, I'm calling my poems, and he knows which ones they're coming in on. But, yeah. I'm going to be able to do your show one day. We're going to do like a temptation. Just talk. I'm going to be short. I'm going to be on the backside behind the curtains. You know, poetry rich before you. I'm okay with that. Wait, what was that? With a mic in the back, right? Absolutely. Hey. You can do mine too. You know mine just because I know mine. I know you're front and back. So, we got Sharon, Erwin, everybody. Momma, you there? Yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me? Let's go. Hey, girl. I was here. Good morning, Momma. Hello, Momma. Good morning, Miss Erwin. Hi, boo. What are you doing here? You're never calling me Mr. Erwin. Try to be perfect. Let me work on this, man. Okay. Okay. You, you go ahead and be that. I'm cool. So, Miss Erwin, I know you've been listening in for the past couple of minutes and I wanted to introduce you and then I wanted you to tell everybody, you know, what we got coming up in November, what's been going on with a couple of the civilian boards and why it's important for the Dan County family to get out there and vote and to get out there and let their voices be heard. So, for all of those who don't know, on the line, we have Sharon Erwin. She is our guest today. She happens to be my mother. So, of course, I think the world of her, but she is also for the past 10 years since the 2015 killing of her grandson, Tony Robinson. She has fought tirelessly within the city of Madison to help change some of the laws that affect those civilians that we really didn't even know were affecting us in the ways that they were. She's helped to have more transparency between the police departments and the civilians. She's also fought tirelessly to convict the cop that killed her grandson, my nephew, Tony Robinson. Today, we're going to talk about the PCOB, which she's definitely going to have some more information on and the ways that they're helping us as a community and the ways that we need to help them. So, without further ado, PCOB, beyond being interested, PCOB. That's the police civilian oversight board. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Yes. You're right. You're right. Sometimes I leave out to see part of it. So, Mom, whenever you're ready, why don't you talk to the Dane County family and the WRT family about what's going on? Good morning. I really appreciate the time. Let me just bring you up to date on what the PCOB is doing and how it got created. When Terrell died, and I call him Terrell because it was Tony Terrell Robinson Jr., Tony was his dad. Terrell was with us. So, thanks for following through with me and knowing that Terrell is Tony. When Terrell died, I started investigating because I needed to find out what's going on. That's the part of me that is military and what do you call that? OCD. But anyways, I find out that the officer lied. We went through a whole process with the ORI. That was a commissioned group of people who came in to investigate what could be done with our police department in 2016 that might help that this wouldn't happen again. They found 187 different things that needed to be changed or could be, should be, would be changed in the police department. So, 187 of them, yeah. No, I don't know how many people know anything about this. It took us 10 years almost to get here. Nine of them, for sure. I've been working behind the scenes for a long time. I don't like being in the front. I'm not good at it. I don't have any tags. I'm going to tell you exactly what I think of you. Some people don't like that. I choose this day in the background. Right now, we're in a position where the PCOB is actually coming to fruition. It has taken nine years. It took four years in the city council. They didn't do anything. They came before the city council. The ORI gave them the commission 2017. I think it was. They sat on it. They sat on it until George Floyd died. Then they decided to commission this all in. So, that was, what, 2020, right? So, here we start that process. It takes a year for them to get on. They get the board up. They have to start doing all the policies and procedures because there was nothing in place, absolutely nothing. So, they had to create this board and they've been working diligently at it to do it. Now, the IAM, that's Robin Copley, has got the form created. She's got the what we have to go through to get there so that it makes it easy on the people who are coming in. One form goes to all the different offices, like the police office, the commissioners off, this office, that office. We only have to fill out one form. And then she will go through it. She will look at all of it and decide what is viable, what isn't. And I, at this point in the time, we are getting, we are so close. I believe the next vote in the end of this month will bring us there or the one at the end of October will bring us there. And we need to be able to move forward because there are, besides me, there are other people who are waiting in the queue, as you guys call it, to get on with the PCOB help us. We need help. It costs money. We don't have. It costs lawyers. We don't know. We, you walk in there blind. I'm not blind anymore because I've been doing this for almost 10 years. So, I have to go find a statue and look it up. I have to go find this and look it up. What is that judge talking about, I say, and I go run and find out what he's talking about. I said, oh, nope, there's probable cause. And the honor shadow of a doubt, you have to learn all these things. And most people don't. They just get hurt. They just get hurt and they don't know what to do or where to go. So, why is what? Go ahead. I was going to ask, why is the PCOB exactly? Why is it in place? It's in place because they shot and killed Terrell. Because prior to Terrell's death by a police officer, Matt Kenny, there were at least four or five different, I could almost go back, you know, in that short period of time. And less than seven years or if there were like five deaths. Yeah. And then they, Kenny killed two people. And then there was Polly Heaney and Ashley Deapase. There was Brandon. I don't, the man that was killed by Kenny, he was that one. But in the process of being Koval's lead and then Nobel Ray's lead, they were killing without even looking twice about it. As a matter of fact, for a small of a community that we are, we have a higher rate of killing in New York City. That's most disgusting. That was prior to Barnes coming in. If I'm not mistaken, then Barnes has been here. There have been no police shootings. Not, you know, to not Dane County. Not in Dane County, right? They're all outside of Dane County. Maybe in Fitzburg, there was one. There was one out there, Mount Horob, but Dane County police, I mean, Madison police officers are shooting killing people. So there was a stigma if I'm not mistaken that in the state of Wisconsin, there hasn't been a single police officer prosecuted. Is that correct? Not one. Not one. And they've gone to the PC, I mean, they've actually done the 968.02, which is what I'm using to get into the courts too, that echoes this about, not because they didn't find the evidence there. He disavowed me being able to go any further because he couldn't figure out how to appoint a special prosecutor. Because of the laws too vague, he says. So I have one option. One option available to me, and I have to go to Ozane, and I have to say to Ozane, hey, look, you haven't prosecuted this in nine years. You aren't going to correct. If you said no, then I need to affidavit from you, so I can give it to echols and we can move forward in the courts. I think that's our DA. All right, everybody listening. That's our DA. Yeah, it's our DA. Yes. He's been a DA for nine, 10 years. He's been a DA long enough to have been dead. Yeah. Because he was a DA once well died. So coming up in November, you were telling me that there's a referendum coming up that they're trying to. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. There is a referendum. And I think everybody needs to vote on it. I, you know, it was information that that comes to me from the side. I don't know how accurate that is. Okay. That information we're about to blow off. It's a secret. No, it's not when it when when it becomes a salad. I do too. I like to see this. But people tell me things off handedly. And I hear them. You got your ears to the street. Right. I got my ear to the streets. People just show up and tell me things. I say, okay. And I use it. Like, I know some things about Mac Kinney that nobody can know because it's the ear to the street because I'm a vet and vets call me and talk to me. Because we played, you know, we played army together and they say there's this connection. So that's privy to that stuff. I can't say because I can't prove it. So I don't. So where we're at now is a referendum is coming up that needs to be needs to be passed. I know that it's requiring more money, which is everybody's pockets are tight. And I understand that too. But we create our reality. We do. We do. And we don't. One moment, Mama, we don't endorse any, any candidates. We don't endorse anybody. But we do encourage you to get out and vote and to vote what's in your heart. And so we just, we really do want you to get out and vote. Either way, it goes. We want you to go out and speak on this and vote on it. And there would be a conversation at your dinner table. You can't talk to me about local politics and 100 people divide the difference on whoever is in there. If you don't vote, and here's my truth, because I'm not much on that when I feel like politics is a bunch of games that I don't. I appreciate, but I'm looking, I look at the candidate and I see if there's value to what I see. If there is that I will vote. If there's not, it's just a game to me because it won't matter. It's the same coin to sides, but I'll feel like that's going on this time around. It's not the same coin. Well, definitely. Actually, you're the type of voter that I want to talk to and decided the voter that it's not about the candidate. It's about the policy. It's not about, you know, necessarily how you personally feel, but what's going to affect you personally. And so, you're actually the kind of voter, Mom, that I would love to talk to. Chit chat, any time you want, boo? Like I said, I have known you all my life and I have known you. I have known you, Mom, what was I looking at? I vote my conscience. That's what I vote. I know that you vote your conscience and that's, to me, that's important because there's people out there that feel that way. There are too many people out there that feel like I'm red, white, and blue. I vote Republican regardless. I vote Democrat regardless. They don't care if the person is a good person. They don't care if they have the policies. They only care about the name Democrat Republican. No, we need to get to the place where we're consciously voting. Period. But if I wanted to vote for a Republican as a local, what do you call that, you know, guy who takes care of the treasury? I'm cool with that. I should be cool with that. I shouldn't have to vote down the line because you tell me to. You know, if I want to vote a Republican here and a Democrat there and an independent over there or me here, I should be able to do that. But I'm not going into politics. I'm not know. There was a hilarious thing that happened about two years after Tony was killed and people were going into the ballots and writing your name in for the. I feel like I might be in a VA now. I got enough information. People don't even know they have that option as well. Yeah. I remember coming of age and my uncle telling me I had you old enough now you need to get out there and vote and I went. I don't care. It ain't doing nothing for me. But he broke it out to me. That's how important it was. And now we fast forward a couple of weeks ago, my oldest son is 21 and he's he admitted. I think I was like, are you voting? He was like, no, I'm not bro. You got a vote and there's just a weird light. I can remember his. I remember my uncle telling me that and now I'm telling him and it's kind of cool that. Like, no, you got to pay attention to figure out who you are going to vote for. Get out there and do something because like we learned today, sometimes less than 100 votes is, you know what I mean? So here's my thing. Y'all don't have to go out there and be these super sleuths and know all this information about each one of these candidates. They got cheat notes somewhere out there that'll give you the information in two or three paragraphs and if you want to learn a little bit more, you can. So I am literally not asking you. Sorry, you guys. I'm outside. I'm not asking you to go investigate all of these different candidates. Just look at the cheat notes and see which one attracts you the most. You know, I don't, did you guys know where to get cheat notes? I'm not really good at that kind of stuff. I realize my community has brought me what's up. You have to pick the issue that's true holds true to you and you may have to change who you voted for comes down to that because what if, what if, what is the most important thing to you is, we'll just say education. You know, I mean, so, maybe I'm following candidate A, that's my guy. But candidate B is saying what I need to be said for education. I might have to, you know, I mean, you might have to jump ship and go there, right? I might have to, I might have to, and you got to be okay with that. You got to do what you said. You got to investigate. See what they want. I'm the person that stands on local, local, local, vote locally, go to your town meeting. There's votes that happen there that affect your district directly. Go vote for your senators, vote for your governors, vote for your state representative, your treasury, your mayors, everybody. These are the people that are going to that comment and represent you when it really comes down to the big elections. Those are the people that come in and represent your vote. John, what you have to say? I was going to say go down to your neighborhood association and those like those really little things like that because then, you know, get new mailboxes and new streetlights and whatever because those are the people to make those decisions. Exactly. I know the guy, you know, I'm from Beloit. So I know everybody there and they've gotten to have those, those book mailboxes. What do we call them? Those mailboxes that you put the books in. Little free library. Yeah, little free library. Yes, they've gotten a couple of those from Beloit. And I wanted one in the kind of like my neighborhood. And that took me on a journey where I need to talk to him, talk to her, talk to so I was like, okay, I learned something I was interested in. I asked them out and I learned how to get what I need. And I was kind of that's local politics. You know what I mean? You got it. You got to be involved that you want something done. And I wanted a little free, whatever it's called. A little free library. I won't want it money. And 2020, I did a whole spiel on the Madison budget and what it's comprised of and the base, the majority of our budget is made up of taxpayer dollars. And when I think of that, and then I think of how many people don't go to your neighborhood association meetings who don't go to the town hall meetings who don't do, go and vote, you have no say over where your money that you're created. You've created this budget now. You're not putting any say into where it's going. And 2020, we had an issue where they had taken $5 million from our transportation system, $4 million from our mental health, from our mental health systems, and reallocated it and refunded it into further militarization of the police. We had, we got some tanks like, why do we need tanks? We've got, you know, these assault rifles that were like top grade military assault rifles, and I couldn't understand why. So when we think about things like that, and we think about what statistic numbers after numbers have shown, when we reallocate funds into things like mental health and education, and things that prevent needing further militarization of the police. And those are funneled into our system the correct way. We're now having a sale for our community. We're now having an input over what happens in our community and how we decide, you know, what's important. We've got right now, Memorial High School, and I'm going to put it out there. Memorial High School hasn't had a roof for three years. This just passed, sorry, this past winter alone, there were several days that our children were showing up to school and had to be turned around that morning because the heat wasn't working. We had no provisions to keep them warm, and oh, oh, it's crazy, and it gets worse because not two miles down the road at Verona High School, all the kids were getting iPads and swag bags on their first days. Teachers are at Memorial and West and East, fighting for fair pay because when Walker came in and tore our unions apart, it messed our teachers up. They're afraid to talk about unionizing and collectively standing together to get a roof for the high school because they don't know what that would mean for their career. And there are things that we can do, we can vet our politicians, we can vet the people that we vote in so that we don't suffer behind the decisions that they think they're making for us. No, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'll really vote for it. The only thing that I want to remind everybody is that without us, there is no them. Without us, they wouldn't have a job. If we all chose to sit down together as a community, say we're not going to do this anymore, guess where they start allocating money, because they wouldn't have a job anymore. Remember that it's an illusion to think that they have power. We gave them that power. We can take that power away, but we have to be aware of what we're doing. If you go in blind, you stay blind. Wake up. If you guys are liking the conversation that we're having, feel free to call in 608-256-2001. You know, here at WRTFM, we'd love to hear from our listeners. You can go back and listen to the show if you can only catch in the end of it here. We definitely want to encourage you all to get active. Be active in our community. It's so, so important. Again, 608-256-2001. John, do you have any music to hold us over on a break? Oh yeah, I got a good one right here, actually. Let's go. Let's hear it. I was going through old stuff last night. Let's go, John. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Yeah. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking fresh, fucking lie. Gabbin' TV boy always say hi. Fucking fresh, fucking lie. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Let's go. We lost our safe. I love that. 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I feel like it'll give me a kickies outfit. I feel like it'll give me a kickies outfit. I feel like it'll give me a kickies outfit. I feel like it'll give me a kickies outfit. I feel like it'll give me a kickies outfit. I actually recall you having a similar feeling, Mom, that a lot of work was not being handled. There were a lot of missed opportunities for chases to be heard and to be seen. Is that correct? There were a lot of things going on with the PCOB that were a little frustrating to say the least. I hired an IAM and that IAM went and got another job so they had to do the whole process all over again to hire another IAM. In the end between times, the board is out there and they're all getting ready to have to change their places because you're only allowed to stay there for a couple of years. Now the changeover is happening. We want to get started as of the 26th. I believe it's on the meeting to say yes to the IAM's proposal. How are we going to do the floor? He's got that laid out. What are the steps that are going to happen? He's got all of that laid out. It's up to the board now to say, "Yep, we're going to go forward with this." I'm hoping that will happen on the 26th. If you have an opportunity to put two cents in and say it's time to move forward and start opening the door, please do so by coming to the meeting or you don't even have to talk. You just have to say, "Yeah, I want you to go forward on this one." I would appreciate that. We need community support. I need people to come out there and want to be board members because there are several of them that are changing up and they have to have certain amount to have rep what they call that forum or whatever. They have to be a part of that. If you want to be a board member, if you want to be a part of your community and you can do this, go and talk to the IAM. That's the independent monitor. You can call his office. You can email him. You can email the chairperson and say, "Hey, I'm interested in doing the board." We need community support. I need you. I need you back. Without you, I can't move forward unless I go out and hustle up money for the lawyers, because it's always about that bottom line. That's what the PCOB does. They decide your case is valuable and they can give you money to a police, not a police officer, excuse me, to a lawyer to help you get your case heard before the PFC, the police and fire department. So, I appreciate that. I was reading. The PCOB is located at 210 Martin Luther King, Jr. Boulevard in Madison. The zip code is 53703. They have some upcoming PCOB meetings that you can find right online. But just to give you guys an idea, September 19th, which is two days from now at 6 p.m. September 26th, which is the one that Ms. Erwin was just referring to, that's going to be at all of these at 6 p.m. November 20th, November 21st, December 12th and December 19th are a few of the upcoming meetings. And it's open to the public and it says right on the website that the PCOB is currently seeking nominations from the community to fill multiple vacancies on the board. So, as you were saying, this is an opportunity for the community to get involved in what affects our community. So, yeah, if you are, if anybody's interested in going to these meetings to seeing what they're about, we definitely encourage you to come down to 210 Martin Luther King, Jr. Boulevard in Madison on September 19th, or the 26th or 6 p.m. and come check out. Get on your computer, get on your phone, listen in, look in and tell them, yes, we need the PCOB to move forward. Yes, this is very important. We are finally here. You can say no. You can say no, too. You can say no, too. I'm cool with that. But before you say no, please look into it a little further. So, like I said, I've been doing this for a very long time. This is something that Madison needs. They need to have an outlet for people who are being harmed in ways that they shouldn't be. And that's just moving forward. Change. We are about change. We are about coming away from violence and moving into hanging out and looking at each other as not like this homeless guy over here, this one over here, that over there, we have to see each other as a community. One of our candidates out there said that they believe that there is a lot more that binds us together in unity than it does in division. And I would happily agree with that statement, that sentiment all around. There's so much more that binds us together in unity than what separates us guys. And it's important for all of us to remember that just in general, that it matters. I like that candidate smoking too. I do too. And to me, I walked that way. We are one people. Without us, nobody, this whole system wouldn't exist. Because we are the system. We are one. We are powerful. We are powerful. Yes, we are though. That's just how I operate. I want to thank you, Sharon, for coming on here, for talking about this, for being so passionate. Every time you talk to the people, you are passionate. That's why we love you. That's why we know you do what we want to do. I don't know how to change that. I feel like we just feel like we are on the edge, we are on the cusp. We can go either way. You fall into fear if you want to fool with that. But I'm not going with you. I'm looking at a different thing and change is going to take some time and there's going to be chaos, but allow it to be. Allow the chaos to be for that short period of time in 20 years. It'll be different then. Agree. That's what I'm saying. But politics are interesting. Interesting. I don't do politics. I do the people. I do who is this person of what do they want? And that's what we have to look at. I love you. I'm going to let you guys go. Thank you very much. We love you too. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It was great to hear your voice this morning. Thank you for the last couple minutes. And Kevin, I like the music. So everybody goes on a drop of some nicks tape. That's the make tape done. You heard it. Before we get out of here, we have a couple announcements. Y'all, we've got our more. You have a show coming up this Sunday. Yes. Yeah, it's a 22nd. It was constant from 47. We doing poetry and paint on there. We got some extra surprises. Come out and enjoy your afternoon. And it's what I was going to say about what you're doing. Escape bar and grill and boy was constant escape. Mm hmm. So if you are out in Beloit or Rockford or anywhere in Jamesville, that area this weekend, come out, come out or just come from Madison. Yeah, it's a cool club that was just opened up at the black owner. Yes. That's right. If you have, if anybody's familiar, it's a, it's a pretty well known artist that opened his name as Blaizo. Shout out Blaizo. And he's, I mean, really made his name in the music industry. And he's also now he's wanting to come back into the community. So we're encouraging you all to come out this Sunday in Beloit called escape bar and lounge. Listen to some spoken, spoken wire poetry and get your paint on. Yeah, we're fine. Man, we got good R and B music is going to be turned down. We're not turning up. We're turning down. Come on out. The flight turned out, a slight turned down. Yeah. So we want to thank you all so much. We love you over here at the VR TFM. Yeah. Next week, we're going to be having a special guest come in and we're not going to break you off a little more poetry. Yeah. You get around to it this show, but we definitely will. We got the guys next up. Paulin, when you're ready to 608-256-2001. We love you. Turned up. Turned up. Turned up. Turned up. Turned up. Very sensitive subject. [Music] You've been listening to the buzz. WRT 89.9 FM. Madison, Wisconsin, coming up next. We are the VOC music on Green Morning Radio with Brian Hirsch, but first, the insurgent radio kiosk.