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Who Framed Pierre Poilievre?
A frankensteined edit from a Poilievre scrum causes a shitstorm for CTV News and Bell Media. Is it proof of malicious media bias or just a careless mistake?
Rahim Mohamed joins to dig into what really happened at CTV National News and if the response from Poilievre and the Conservatives is justified.
Plus, duly noting a new era in oppo research and luxury bathtub madness on parliament hill.
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(whistling) - Canada Land, funded by you. (upbeat music) - I'm Jesse Brown, and today we are talking shit about the news. Mostly we'll be talking about CTV news and a Frankenstein peer poly F clip that is either evidence of a vast woke media conspiracy or evidence of the fact that most Canadian newsrooms have the resources of a high school newspaper. We will also be touching on BC United's leaked oppo research folder, and we'll talk about conservative MP Garnet Genes. He has a burning desire to know just what part of the house Justin Trudeau tends to be in when he responds to peer poly F's tweets. - Does he engage with them in the bathtub? - Wait for that. (upbeat music) - Canada Land is brought to you by CAMH, the Center for Addiction and Mental Health. We're trying out something that we have not done before. Later in this episode, you will hear me speak to Chris Cole, a two time cross country cyclist and a filmmaker who has experienced mental illness and addiction himself. 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When you're ready to launch, use the offer code CanadaLand to save 10% off of your first purchase of a website or domain. Columnist at the National Post, Raheem Muhammad, welcome back to the show. - Thank you so much for having me, great to be back. - Conservative leader Pierre Poliev is accusing a national broadcaster of unfair news coverage as part of an effort to help the liberals. Now, we've heard that before about the CBC, but this time it's CTV. - CTV News just got caught creating fake news. - I'm not sure that we should wave it away as just a mistake. - Poliev has called the report extremely dishonest and fraudulent. - And in the way it was presented to the story, it makes it sound like he wants an election to stop dental care. - Taking bits and pieces from each sentence to craft a new sentence. - Now, there's also the assumption of intent on the part of what happened internally at Bell, which is, I'm gonna say it, verging on conspiracy theory. - This is the links that they'll go through to try to protect the liberals and take your attention off of the carbon tax and all the damage it's doing to Canadians. This is what conservatives are up against. - All right, so Raheem, we mentioned this in passing last week with Norman Spector. And it just seemed like kind of just the everyday thing, you know, mistake that a newsroom makes and Poliev pounces on it and big whip. This has snowballed. CTV is in the middle of like a national shitstorm. People have lost their jobs. It's spread to Bell, Canada, who owns CTV. And a refresher here for people. This all started on September 22nd with a segment that aired on the Sunday night edition of CTV National News. I don't know who was watching CTV National News on Sunday night, but here you have it. So if you were watching this at home, Raheem, you would be watching the CTV news and the whole segment is about the liberal dental care program. And the next thing you hear is this. - While the continuation of the plan appears safe for now, the events of the last week have raised new questions over the plan's future. - That's why we need to put forward a motion. (applause) - The conservatives announced a non-confidence vote against Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. - So it sounds very much like Poliev is talking about the dental care program, but he wasn't. Here's the original unedited statement from Poliev's Scrum. - That's why it's time to put forward a motion for a carbon tax election. - It was about his favorite thing, axe the tax. It had nothing to do with dental care. So is this a minor mistake? Is this a major mistake? Certainly Poliev and the conservatives pounced on this in a major, major way. And the conservative line echoed from MPs, from Poliev. Up and down, they just went nuts over this. This was clear smoking gun proof of anti-conservative bias at CTV. Former conservative leader Andrew Shear posted CTV news caught lying all caps for Trudeau. Poliev's spokesperson said on Twitter that they were caught splicing a clip of Poliev to propagate the liberals narrative. Not only a total fabrication designed to deceive Canadians, but also a major breach of journalistic ethics. CTV must apologize for their flagrant use of disinformation. What actually happened? I think we kind of know, or at least we've got a pretty cogent theory for it. What did you make of this as this kind of just mushroomed? - So what's interesting to me is this starts with a clip from Question Period, which is a daytime show hosted by Vashica Pelos. I don't think it's particularly well known among the Canadian public, but it is popular with people inside the Beltway here in Ottawa. And Vashica from what I've seen, she's recently been known for eviscerating a number of liberal cabinet ministers. She's had a few pretty tough interviews with Christia Freeland. - So if we need money to make investments in Canada and Canadians, this is the fair way to do it. - I think you did present it as a panacea. I'm gonna challenge the way that you're framing that based on your comments on Sunday. I'll read them directly to you. - Where she'd make Christia Freeland look less than competent on the finance file. And you'll see a number of conservatives or at least conservative friendly accounts, post little clips of, you know, Vashica dunking on different liberal cabinet ministers. So this happened to be open with a snippet from Vashica interviewing. I believe Jean Yves de Clos, the Minister of Procurement, about the dental care thing and that sort of frame the rest of the story. - These four million adults will not become eligible to dental care. - So I think it's lazy journalism, but it's interesting that the conservatives would point to something that was basically an advertisement for question period, a show which I don't think is particularly sympathetic to liberal cabinet ministers. I don't know if you know Vashica, but Vashica is a pretty tough customer, at least as an interviewer. It's interesting that they would frame this as conservative disinformation. When Vashica from what I've been able to see, she's been handing a lot of liberal ministers their back sites on a fairly regular basis. - I don't think they care. I think that what this has shown is that it doesn't have to be the CBC. If they can score political points by painting the media as completely lockstep a bottom paid for Trudeau drones, they will do so. But you're pointing to the actual origin of this and we have to get like the truth lies in the middle. There are sort of, there are two points of view here. There's the polyev version. - I know that the media has worked hard to try and avoid me saying the words carbon tax, as we saw in the extremely dishonest and fraudulent report from Bell Media-controlled CTV. - So that's polyev. It's a vast conspiracy. And for some reason unbeknownst to me, CTV Bell is in on it. But the other point of view, and it's sort of what we gestured towards last week, is newsrooms have no resources. I was just talking to somebody who's got a buddy at CTV. This is a kid like just out of college who basically writes CTV news unvetted. Like he writes copy and it gets published. And if there's a mistake, they quietly edit it later. Okay. You really do have like the most bare bones of operations. And that's what journalist Stephen Mar was suggesting in the Toronto Star. Like this is alarming, but it's not alarming about anti-conservative bias. It's alarming about the terrible state of our newsroom. So that's the other side of the spectrum is, do not attribute to malice what can be better explained by incompetence or perhaps just low resources. I don't think either of those versions are actually where the truth lies. Peter Menzies put out a detailed report. Peter Menzies used to be the CRTC. Always has interesting takes on things and knows things other people don't. And I think that this has to do with the details that you were getting into. So it was this episode of question period where Vashi had on the Minister of Public Works and the government's new Quebec lieutenant who was noting that should the NDP fail to support the government in a confidence motion, then dental care for seniors will be a risk. - Will not become eligible to dental care. That's a serious question which the NDP needs to answer. - It sounds a little bit like a threat to the NDP. - Well, it's not a threat. - Can you work with other priorities in order to move that forward? - Well, there are many other things to do. - Somebody writes Menzies decided that this was a hot story, that this coming non-confidence motion was all about dental care. This is when it all began to go wrong, writes Menzies. Instead of assigning this to an Ottawa reporter, someone at CTV News headquarters in Toronto decided that Christina Tanaglia, a weekend reporter in Toronto who previously worked as a reporter anchor for CP24, just like breaking news in Toronto, that she should do the story. And working with a 37 year veteran and editor in Ottawa, Tanaglia set about producing a story that due close was onto something. So essentially, this is like, when you get your marching orders in a newsroom, we're going with this angle that this non-confidence motion is about killing dental care. And we need a clip. We need like a promo clip. We just need tape. And if you're under deadline and those are the orders that you're facing, then it kind of explains, 'cause like the thing that the conservatives are saying is like, this is no mere mistake. This isn't like somebody spilt the coffee. When we teach ethical editing, you know, it's like, can you make something shorter? Yes, can you rearrange things as long as it doesn't change the meaning of things? Can we take a statement that is made about one piece of legislation and present it as if it's about a different piece of legislation? No, you can't. And it does indicate that there may have been intent. Now, I don't know that that's a conspiracy. I don't know if that's Trudeau calling up CTV and saying, I want you to, you know, it just happens to align with his interests and it gave them the opportunity and they took that ball and they just have been sprinting madly with it ever since. Does that sound like a reasonable version of events? Does that sound like likely what probably happened to you? - Well, like you said, it was a Sunday evening broadcast, a fairly low impact. Again, I think the angle they were given was dental care. I'm not sure if there was anything nefarious and so much is lazy. It was just, let's get this done. Let's get on with our Sunday. It was a beautiful weekend. As you might remember, kind of getting toward the end of patio season, you paraphrase Hanlon's razor there. The principle that you never ascribed to malice, anything that could be more easily explained by incompetence. And any sort of upside, they would get politically from that framing is greatly outweighed by, I guess, Pierre-Pauliève having proof of concept now that it's not just the CBC, it's legacy media. It's anyone that's taking media handouts from the federal government that can't be trusted to report on federal politics and can't be trusted to report even handily on the conservative party. And this is something that he telegraphed. Two days earlier, Pauliève was tweeting, boasting and gloating about how Bell had a credit downgrade and he attributed that to CTV and CTV's pro-liberal bias and Canadians not wanting to tune into that pro-liberal bias. So I think if there was a nefarious intent, I would like to see a sort of cost-benefit analysis. I mean, it doesn't really make sense. - We're gonna miss the lesson in this if we just say it's one thing or the other. And there is a media lesson in this, which is that when you get excited about an angle and you're sure that you've got something hot and then you try to find tape and evidence and clips around that angle, then you make mistakes. And when the people working for you know that you're looking for clips that are gonna do that, then their ass is gonna be on the line too. And then they're gonna lose their jobs and that's what happened. I think that's what happened here. This episode is brought to you by Cam H, the Center for Addiction and Mental Health. I've been talking with Chris, a mental health advocate about his personal experiences with mental illness and addiction. And he had a pretty astute way of describing how anybody can be affected by poor mental health. Listen to this. - Everybody has a cup. 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(upbeat music) CTV's response to this, they've just been eating shit constantly and I'm just gauging how much shit they need to eat. The first thing was Omar Satchadina apologized on the air. - Last night in a report on this broadcast, we presented a comment by the official opposition leader, Pierre Poliev, that was taken out of context. It left viewers with the impression that conservative non-confidence motion was to defeat the liberal's dental care program. In fact, the conservatives have made it clear the motion is based on a long list of issues with the liberal government, including the carbon tax. A misunderstanding during the editing process resulted in this misrepresentation. We unreservedly apologized to Mr. Poliev and the conservative party of Canada. We regret this report went to air in the manner it did. - Three days later, Thursday of last week, CTV put out a statement that they have launched an investigation into the matter. It found that two members of the CTV News team are responsible for altering a video clip, manipulating it for a particular story. And their actions violate our editorial standards and are unacceptable, and they are no longer members of the CTV News team. Very clearly throwing those two under the bus. I would like to know what resources they had and what pressures they were under when that happened. I was a little bit put off by the groveling nature. "Please, politicians don't hurt us," said CTV News. "We're so sorry." Stephen Marr had a couple other details, lending credibility to the, you know, it's not malice, it's incompetence. He says he was told by two sources independently of each other that there was a problem at the scrum with the, is it Degero or De Harro? I don't know. A piece of equipment that transfers clips from CTV's camera. So just like a mad panic. But if the mad panic involved, you know, like we're gonna go with a certain angle on this and we're gonna promote a certain angle on this, then probably of like, if that angle happened to be against his interests, I don't think it was that they did it for political gain, but every show wants to have something interesting, like a juicy take. Everybody wants to have a juicy take. And if that's the motivation that took them to this error, then it would be a mistake to just breeze past that. Raheem, do you think the conservatives are making too much of a meal out of this? - Yeah, I mean, I think at the end of the day, you know, we're in a cost of living crisis. We're in a weak economy. And gloating over a journalist and an editor getting fired, doing a victory lap, not just from Pierre Pauliev, but his wife, Anita Pauliev. It comes off as petty. So let me read you a tweet that Anita Pauliev made about the situation. My husband is a fighter and I couldn't be more proud. Canada needs a leader with unwavering principle and conviction. Someone who stands firm for what's right, even when the media critics and so-called experts try to tear him down. He's strong, smart and exactly who this country needs. The fight for a better candidate continues. Wink emoji, yes, the media bias is real, but conservatives will keep fighting for the people. And that's a quote tweet of the statement announcing the firings in response to the whirlwind investigation. So for me, you can absolutely call this out as, even if there wasn't mouths involved, there was malpractice involved and you can justify the terminations. But the victory lap to me strikes me as petty and something that's gonna rub a lot of people the wrong way. - Yeah, it's pretty ugly. Though I did enjoy the way, you know, when you go over your 280 characters on X, Twitter, whatever, it gets cut off and Anita Polyev's tweet ends. If you don't click to read the whole thing, it goes, "My husband, he's strong, smart and exactly who this?" I did like that. This is what I wonder. Polyev has consistently pointed a dirty finger at the CBC and called everybody working there just completely corrupt. And he's said he's gonna defund them and I think he will. Now he's turned the same rhetoric to CTV. When this guy is Prime Minister, who the hell is he gonna talk to? He's laying the groundwork for a government that as a point of like principle is not accountable to any reporters. Sometimes new stories that really need to be read do not get read or not read widely enough. What am I saying? I'm saying I'd like you to duly note something. Raheem, do you got something for us? - Sure. So I guess we can call this opposition research in a time of shitposting. So there was recently, as you know, there's a election campaign ongoing in British Columbia. There was recently a large dossier of opposition research originally collected by BC United, which has since suspended its campaign. It was basically the kind of center-right option. So they decided to somehow their op-o research folder got leaked. It was published by a journalist. It was a lengthy document. I didn't get a chance to thoroughly go through the entirety. But I'll have two gut reactions. One, op-o research was a lot harder in my day in the early 2010s. So in the early 2010s, I was actually employed as a staffer for the BC Liberal Party, which is the forerunner of BC United. And to do op-o research, this was before Donald Trump. You know, to do opposition research, you really had to get your hands dirty. Sometimes you look for clippings in local newspaper. You might remember that clipping about Justin Trudeau from like some sort of Cranbrook times or whatever about him groping that reporter at the festival in the cootenee. So you're really, like a lot of the time, we're trying to find things like that. Clippings from the Kamloops Daily News, the Vernon Times, whatever it was, a needle in a haystack. But it's so much easier for op-o research staffers these days when people are just articulating all of this batshit stuff on Twitter and Facebook and across social media. The other thing I'll say is we've gotten to a point where we're largely desensitized to this stuff. So a lot of what I saw seemed like your rank and file boomer posting. You know, you had stuff about COVID vaccines, chemtrails, celebrity pedophile rings. That one seems to be a favorite. This just seems to be how, you know, baby boomers and older Gen Xers behave on the internet. And a lot of it didn't really phase me. It doesn't seem like there's been much repercussion in terms of candidates being told to step aside. The Conservative Party's only gained on the NDP since the beginning of the election campaign. So I think people are largely desensitized to this stuff. And a person I will point you to is Alberta's Premier Danielle Smith. She said a load of, you know, batshit crazy stuff through her time in the public eye, particularly as a journalist and commentator, that sort of priced in to what you get with Danielle Smith. The NDP attempted to unload its dossier on Danielle Smith going into the provincial election here in Alberta. Last year didn't seem to have much of an effect on her path to victory. Doesn't seem like this is moving the needle that much in BC. So maybe we're at the point where we just accept as a society that you give baby boomers, you give older Gen Xers access to the internet and they're gonna post this out of pocket stuff. So I think, you know, we're at the time of shit posting where the bar is very, very high for us to get offended by this kind of thing. I think each of us has an aunt or uncle who posted this stuff nonstop. So it's interesting to me that we have such an embarrassment of riches of shitposts that it takes a lot at this point to trigger us and move the needle. - I never thought about that before. Oppo research is like a dying art form. It's like you used to do artisanal Oppo research. - Yeah, we would dive in people's dumpsters. - Yeah, like did they make an offensive diorama for a school assignment when they were in grade nine? Now everybody's just like telling on themselves. They're all rap snitches, telling all their business, turning state's witness against themselves. And it's the Rob Ford effect. Like if you enter politics as just like a absolute embarrassing buffoon, good luck embarrassing me, you know? And it's bullet proof, duly noted. I wanna duly note something. Maybe this is more of like a call to action or a crowd-sourced assignment for our listeners. It did not go under the radar, the absolutely embarrassing childhood shit show that broke out in question period. When the conservatives were hammering away at Justin Trudeau and his government for buying this very expensive property. - Or his friend Tom Clark to have stunning powder room finished in jewel onyx, crystallo gold courtsite countertops, a handcrafted copper soaking tub, custom bronze bathroom fixtures. - And Trudeau defended this by saying that candidate should have nice things. Candida needs to have a very fancy property to host diplomats, work towards solving climate change. - Engaging with international leaders on fighting climate change. - Is the grandiose way he put it? And then conservative MP Garnet-Genes, he yelled out something like, "Oh, were you taking meetings in that big soaker bathtub?" (audience laughing) - The part that I want to draw attention to is that Trudeau's comeback to this was. - Mr. Speaker, don't worry on this side of the house. We're used to casual homophobic comments from the other side of the house. - I've just been wondering ever since, is that true? Like it sounds like it could be true. It sounds like it might be true. It might be true that the conservatives make casual homophobic remarks in question period. But have they? I haven't read anything where anybody's been able to quote anything from this government. And like, if he's not like actually thinking of an incident where that happened, if that's not like actually a trend, it's kind of a drive-by smear. It's kind of like you're all a bunch of redneck bigots and you don't like gay people. I know that we've got like Trudeau unleashed right now. He's under orders to be like wild and crazy. But this is like the bad Trudeau. This is the Trudeau who arrogantly sneeringly and like, you know, from a position of superiority is kind of communicating that he's a better person than them, which, if they earned it, he said sometimes you got to stand up to bullies. Like, Garnet is saying this was not homophobia. He was just saying if the defense for this beautiful property was that you take meetings there, well, certainly that doesn't apply to the bathroom. - The answered notes, does he engage with them in the bathtub? The point of that comment is to illustrate that of course, meetings don't take place in a bathtub. Luxury, a luxurious bathtub has nothing to do with meetings. The Prime Minister's answer had nothing to do with the questions. But it had nothing to do with sex. - I wasn't thinking about sex at all. (crowd murmuring) - And I guess the comeback for that is like, shut up, you idiot. If you buy a nice fancy apartment in New York, it comes with a nice bathtub, so shut up. But anyhow, maybe he was being homophobic, maybe not. My point is just that I think the Trudeau might have just been like guessing that they've been casually homophobic in question period. But I've learned my lesson about exhaustively saying that's never happened before. So I'm putting it to our listeners. Are there examples of the conservatives in this iteration of the opposition making casually homophobic comments in question period? Send them to me and I'll eat my words or I'll just know something I didn't know before. - Duly noted. (upbeat music) - Thank you, Rahim. Thank you for joining me. I can be emailed today at Jesse@CanadaLand.com. I read everything our listeners send. Rahim, where can people find you? - So send news tips or hate mail at rmohamed@postmedia.com. That's r-m-o-h-a-m-e-d at postmedia.com. I'm also at Twitter rmohamed_y-o-w. - This episode's produced by James Nicholson with additional production by Caleb Thompson. Our production manager is Max Collins. Our theme music is by so-called syndication is by CFUV. 101.9 FM in Victoria, visit them online at CFUV.ca. This episode is brought to you by supporters Daniel Hansberger, Taylor Brett and Peter Chrismer. Listen, you can be like them. You can support the show. I don't have to read your name, that's up to you. 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