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Everything's very terms apply Allstate Fire & Casualty Insurance Company & Affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois. Freshly made ravioli, or hand-pulled ramen noodles. When you dine with Chase Sapphire Reserve, either will be amazing, because it's the choice between a front row seat at the chef's table. While getting a live demo of how to make ravioli, or dining family style as you hear the story behind your ramen broth, this weekend it's ravioli. Next weekend ramen, find the detail that moves you with immersive dining experiences from Sapphire Reserve. Chase, make more of what's yours. Learn more at chase.com/sapfirereserve. Cart issued by JP Morgan Chase Bank, NA member FTSC, subject to credit approval. [Music] Hello and welcome to the 5-year plan podcast, episode 549. This is the questions pod a few days after Palace is 1-0 defeat. To Liverpool at Sellers Park, I'm your host for this week Joe Walker, and alongside me, the Weimra outlist of Adulian Gray, it's Jeff Pierce, how are you sir? Yeah, good. Yeah, Weimra outlist yeah, well, okay. Still young in my eyes and all of it will be. Weimra outlist looks younger than us and I think he's got, he's got several years on us and whenever I look, whenever I see him in the pier in the press or something, I think, what's he all? He's like 34, what's going on? Maybe the height is, maybe the height is doing him a favor there. It's the height, but he's, you know, what are we probably two or three years after he's returning? He's still looking after himself. Yeah. Yeah. It's about, you know, let's reminisce in, in yesterday for, we went back and talked about James McArthur at the start of the last one. Weimra out there. She was he who put the, the corner in that met Aki Rea last his head in that tuner win against Fulham. That was 20 years ago this week, Joe. Oh, I could have done without knowing that. Apologies. Sorry to any of this, that had the effect on 20 years ago since that, that Monday night, PMP sent off after what four, five minutes or something ridiculous, much needed. Oh, I mean, if you're talking about a season that needed a win, that was, that was it. That was it, right? That was our first win. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it was. Yes. Yeah. And I remember a very nice, a, a delicious fruit ball from Akurea Lighty for Andy Johnson's first goal in that, a lovely nutmeg of who would that have been, Antini Amy or something like that? Edwin Van Desser. Oh, no less than Edwin Van Desser and then an Aki Heder at the second half. That game sticks in my mind because my dad had, and one, my dad won a fair amount of money that season, but I guess because we were newly promoted side, this was the days where you had to do a de la Brooks concession in the, in the houses and the consoles. Yes. Still got a few of their pens. Oh, yeah. But Andy Johnson, first of score, Palace two nil, that outcome happened, I'd say four or five times in Birmingham, that season, Birmingham villa, and Fulham was one of those. I think the first one, my dad laid down. That was the first time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And because of where we were in the table, it was always 45 to one, 55 to one. And my, my, so my dad is standing there with this, uh, labric slip in his hand screaming shout in the odds. Palace, I think, bring on Ivan Caviedes. Hey. He of the, no, Simon Jordan never confirmed whether it was a two million pound deal or a loan deal or a two million pound loan deal, all we knew he was gone within three months. Yeah. He came on, took it round two three players and, uh, one on one with a keeper, just blasted it wide. I've never seen my dad celebrate a palace miss louder, I've got all these weird looks around us, but yeah, he, um, Ivan Caviedes, one, my dad about 450 quid that night. Hey, you know what that might not be the only time we hear about even Caviedes and this podcast as well. Cause if we have a question that I think might be coming, I might be referencing that Ecuadorian prince a bit later on. Um, yeah, I mean, funnily enough, that era, um, it came into my mind talking about that penalty. We won't talk about the penalty anymore in this episode, but that phrase about the ball being, you know, not near the, the, the play or the foul or whatever, you know, the interpretation of whoever's deciding things that these days, half of Andy Johnson's penalties that year, the ball was already in the home's their lower. Yeah. Before he was cleared out. So don't, don't talk to me, P.G.O.M.O.L. about the ball being in play. You know, if that guy got decapitated and he sometimes nearly had his head taken off that season, um, the ball was not a factor in those decisions. So anyway, that's a, that's enough 2004, five reminiscence. I'm sure there'll be more to come while we celebrate 20 years of that season. Maybe, maybe let's talk come April, Maytime, we won't want to be celebrating anniversaries around then. No, but I could. Yeah. I could, I do remember an Andy Johnson penalty on the edge of the, like he's on the byline in a penalty area and he's lofted it into the upper tier and won a penalty for the contact. And he's like, yeah. Yeah. It's a foul. It's a foul. It doesn't matter where the balls come. He's been wiped out. So yeah, maybe, yeah, depending on results later on the season will do week by week, but the one that really springs to mind was the Norwich three, three. Yes. Well, he landed on, you know, his neck and I thought we probably lost him, but yeah, he dusted himself off and put the penalty away. And yeah, that was that, but yeah, some, some crazy penalty awards that year. And for, for an accurate, for the accusations fly his way that he won penalties and dived a lot. I mean, he's probably got the bruises to show even even 20 years later, but anyway, you know, I thought I'm win, I thought I'm win 20 years ago this week, which, yeah, blew my mind when I saw it. Yeah. Steve Bruce's fault that diving accusation, which I thought was really distastable, given who had sold him to Palace, who had where he'd came from. Yeah. Pretty poor. Anyway, it's a questions pod, not an nostalgia pod. And this questions pod is sponsored by Eagle Planning and Development, a planning consultancy recently launched by an avid Palace fan. It, they provide a complete planning service for your development needs, no matter how big or small the project, if you've been thinking about what to do with some land on your property or what to do for your extension that you've been planning, or you just seek in general advice on planning permission related stuff, get in touch with Greg at Eagle Planning and Development, their website is eagleplanning.co.uk, they'll be able to help. Right. There are lots of questions and thank you very much for getting in touch. We'll try and get through them as quickly as we can, although listener, it's me and Jack, so, you know, buckle up. I'll start, all the questions that are going to be bookended generally by some kind of not nonsensical questions, but ones that are just a bit more lighthearted. I think JD wanted everyone to just decompress and, you know, chill out a bit. So, Louis Goodwin too, beginning the questions this week. What is your favorite spreadable for Toaster Breakfast? We know about your thoughts on Kamada, but not on honey, the streets must know. So, I'm happy to avoid. It's lovely to have a Kamada debate this week. We shall not mention him again, I hope. Yeah. So, we'll stick with the breakfast based, actually my toast is any time of day is in my house, but... Exactly. I'm a pretty basic guy when it comes to toast. I am a nice quality butter, and if I'm feeling a bit fancy, maybe a bit of marmalade. Someone like that. But, yeah, I'm not much more adventurous than a pretty basic butter and toast. That's me. What marmalade we're talking about? A bit of civil. Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm not doing it by house. No, no, no. I'm out of culture. Yeah, you know. Traveled Seoul. So, yeah. Yeah, I went to civil a few years ago, and they just call it marmalade over there. So, yes. Fair enough. I'm a roses, lemon and lime marmalade guy. Yeah, nice. I liked to time staple when I was growing up, but for breakfast, I'm more of a marmalade guy. That's it. I'm on the other side of the fence with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very good. I was about to say, and I also like butter on my toast. But... Come on, mate. This is the family-friendly podcast. Come on, give it. Like, bruisey. Yeah. Right. Let's go into the Faddish questions then. James Jeffery said, "Should we have kept Sauron and took ebbs off? Couldn't strike a match at the moment, and equally Matt Smith asked, 'Is it time to chop ebbs?' I didn't know. I did a couple of... I did a couple of... Palace Liverpool preview on for Liverpool podcast. I did two in the end. You were on tour last week. I saw you kind of... Yeah. Oh, the joys of unemployment. I was pretty available. They... One of the few... There was a longer chat about ebbs on one of them, and I did say at the moment that this season, he's very much a moments player, and that could be incredibly frustrating when those moments don't lead in goals, or lead to goals, shall I say. But equally, it does mean that that feeling of, 'Ah, but when that moment comes, we need to make sure he's on the pitch, and it must drum around a manager's mind when a player that's got you out, not even got you out of jail, a player that's really delivered for you countless times at this level, a player, Glasgow, has staunchly defended in the last week or two in press conferences, by the way, sort of quite vocal about his confusion at ebbs being dropped from the England squad, whereas I think most fans would probably kind of go, 'Ah, that's fair enough.' Do you think dropping him is kind of something that should be in consideration at this point? I'm not there yet, but I can see the logic behind it, but I think even accounting for that mess with five minutes to go on Saturday, you still keep him on the pitch, given the other options, and I really enjoyed listening to you and Jim with Kevin last week, it was great to have Kevin back on, but he was the first time I'd heard the notion of ebbs maybe not starting a game, I think Kev said it, and I was like, I haven't even thought about that, but it is something to be considered, and it sounds daft to be thinking about it, given that he ended last season absolutely on fire, but maybe it's the change of dynamic that he would benefit from, but I'm not there yet, presumably you'd start Kamaldra instead of him on that left-hand side, which I know there's been chat about, that was the kind of purpose of his signing, that's where he played for Frankfurt, he came in off that left-hand side, and was quite impactful from there, but I'm not there yet, but the performances are not on the level you would want them to be, but again, I think he used it this last week. In another season, he's already scored six goals this year, and he's flying, and he's in at England's squad, and he's actually the clamourist he needs to start for England, because he starts the season with that great goal at Brentford, he has a few other things goes way between now and all the start of the season and now, and we're looking at things a completely different light. I don't know if that position is getting the best out of him, and again, to reference last week's episode, you referencing Tim, and without his deck, I feel like that lack of focus or alternative focus for a defence means that teams, they're not focusing all their attention on him, because they need to pay attention to Eddie and Kettie or John Philippe Materreaux, which may la Saar, but more of their focus is on Ebs than it was when we had Michael Alise, and I think Ebs is still dealing with that, but if you give the ball to Ebs on the halfway line, it's not like when you used to give Wilf the ball on the halfway line, and he's up the other end of the pitch, he doesn't have that natural pace that the Wilf had, he's all about trickery, he's all about getting by players, and he didn't show that on Saturday, there were moments when he was getting past players, you think, yeah, here we go, and then it kind of peed it out, but that wasn't all to do with him, that was kind of lack of moving it in front of him, I didn't think Eddie and Kettie had a pretty poor game from where I was, I didn't think he impacted things as he's done since he's arrived at Palace, but I'm not there in terms of Ebs not starting games yet, but I do understand why the conversation is starting to be had by some. Yeah, that system that we have, that clearly seems to be a preference of glass, it's just it does no in-ear as effective with the current personnel, with the pairing that Ebs has in that system, you're almost starting to see, I dare say, Ebs when he was played wide left by Vieira, and it just looked like a complete waste of everyone's time. If we're going to go back to the Vieira era, and particularly his relationship with Everett Chiazza, I think Ebs coming off the bench is not going to be his best use, he was really poor coming off the bench pretty much every time we saw him off the bench on the Vieira. Take me back to the Amex March 2020, that March 23 was that, no, March 24, no 23, the era's last game, Ebs, that was emblematic of his kind of cameos off the bench. Yeah, I would not, sorry, I've interrupted you to fly there, but I would not expect him to have the same impact that maybe we've seen from Ishmael Esar coming off at 20 to go, something like that. I'm 100% with you, and despite his quality, Ebs is a confidence player, and I think the faith shown by Glassner generally in him is his way of trying to maintain that. And sometimes you just need a little bit of luck as we saw the winner at QPR, stuff like that keeps in going for another week, and I trust in a manager to kind of work it out eventually. I don't think you'll just stick with it being a stinker all the time, but yeah, that's the tough one because you know the player, you know the abilities there, you know the players there, it's I think maybe more symptomatic of just the way we're organised now, it's just a totally different style of attacking approach. That goal we scored, again, going back to sort of the previews of this Liverpool game, the reference I said to Liverpool fans was that goal we scored at Anfield, the Ebs scored at Anfield in our one-year win that started that run back end of last season, we are never scoring that goal again, we're not scoring that goal this season, we just don't play football like that anymore. There was a point in the first half where Ebs sort of got the ball left-hand side in the first half, Chalabar from centre-half was trying to offer an overlap, and Tyric Mitchell was also there kind of just trying to be an option to pass to. And you almost, you know, sometimes it was like a piece of my mark, you know, he didn't need to speak, you'd read his mind from far away, and it was like he looked at them both and went all right and turned back around the other way and said, I think that's a road to nowhere. So let me actually try and... Is that when he then travelled across the halfway line, just like, I don't know, thanks boys, that cheers for that, but I'm going to go the other way now and he had the ball for his probably, yeah, 25-30 seconds, and yeah, those options are... Right, isn't it? I mean, we haven't mentioned him by name yet, and I'll try to avoid doing so, but he doesn't have his mate nearby, and they did so many good things together, towards the end of last season. He needs anybody, doesn't he? I know Ed, he has a great relationship with Encettia by all accounts, just perhaps, yeah, is that even Encettia's natural home in this side? There are still, even though we've got round pegs and round holes on the starting line up on Saturday, I feel like it's all going to, you know, all these players just kind of fitting into the team, regardless of where they actually are comfortable. That might be a repeat issue this season. In terms of Ed, specifically, if he gets to the point where the manager is deciding to not start Ebber each year, I think that would be, from my perspective, a bit of a panicked move by this manager, and I would be concerned that he's in desperate need for a result, and he's seeking any resolution to find that result, yeah. I wouldn't consider that to be a measured approach from this manager, particularly given the rhetoric that he's providing about ebbs, you know, earlier on you cited the answers in questions about, or answers to questions about, his lack of an England call-up, he's a manager very much backing him, he's not going to say anything other than that, but I still think he's going to be picking Ebber each year, so yeah. Which takes us nicely to Getty Stringer's question. At what point do we start pointing the blame at the players instead of Glausner? Which is an interesting point because I think a lot of people have been pointing the blame at the players rather than Glausner generally, but you know, I guess there have been people seeing it from different ways. We've seen his system work and it works, it can work and works well. We're set up fairly well at the back and don't look all that fragile. There are constant misplaced passes from Ebbs, Mark, La Croix, Kamada, Wharton, Paul Kamada, won't even play, and you name them. These are players, choices and poor form surely. Interestingly, I think there's something there, but it's also a combination. I do think some of those players were in that team last season doing these same things, but yes, madness is repeating these things and expecting it to be what it was last year it is. There are so many new players in there, yes, Glausner teams, that's another thing we're going to have to be careful of saying every week that he starts slow because we've heard that a few times. He'll get to February and we'll still be saying it, yes? Yeah, how slow do you want to go? I'm not averse to the system changing, particularly with the Eb situation. Have Ebbs on his own there and just flick with your finger, Eddie and Katia, up alongside John Fleetman Teton. How about that? How about how much worse could it be, but you know, I do trust in the manager. The players have not delivered in this system, but then ultimately, a Jack as a coach and manager's role, if that's the case, then it's on you to kind of change that and do that. You can make the subs, you can do all that, but actually you want it kind of purring from the start. Yeah, the question is really interesting actually because it actually- It's a philosophical one almost. Yeah, it was probably some thoughts that I had over the last week or so. I actually think there's a lot of good faith being directed towards this manager. I don't think- Yeah, in terms of the question, I don't think there's been a degree of criticism at the manager that's been misplaced here. I actually think people are doing a lot of fans are trying really hard to not put any criticism at the manager's door because we really want to maximize the potential that this manager has shown in his time with us so far and therefore maybe the players have been critiqued maybe more than they typically would have done. You've seen it, and maybe the manager is criticized by extension in the fact that the criticism has mainly been aimed at by a sheet commander and maybe that's kind of a pseudonym for the manager himself, but I think the fan base wants this manager to work because of what we saw for the last seven games at the end of last season and it being as exhilarating as it was. So I think if we were to be criticizing the manager, there could be a lot more chucked as way, and it's not the time to do that yet, I don't think we need to do that. But I have been surprised that maybe players being highlighted a bit more than you typically would see a manager than with a manager. If you reverted this situation, do you replace the current manager with his predecessor? We would not be hearing any players' names be mentioned. So if you put it that way, I think that the goodwill is still very much there for Oliver Glasner, and if results continue this way, I think he will rightly come under the microscope. And I think the question that you alluded there in terms of why are we not performing? I think I saw a question from Rick Winter, a fellow Sussex, a palace by the sea guy. He said, "Why are we only playing well for 35 minutes?" Well, that's not a question for us to answer, that's a question for the manager to answer, but I think it's going to become an increasingly pertinent question the longer this run run before it goes on. So yeah, for now, I think the manager has got all the fan base behind him. I can't think of a single palace fan that I know that is suggesting that we need to change the manager. However, I do think just the realities of Premier League football and Premier League security, I am looking at that wolves game thinking that his sake more than anyone else, we really need to win by that point. And sort of related to that idea of playing well for 35 minutes, Eagles 1905 has a question. My question to them first and foremost, "Will you ever tempted to change it to 1861?" But I admire your stoicism and refusal to adapt, actually. Their question, what has happened to the intensity of our press this year? Hughes came on and showed it, but the others just don't give it this year as they need to rest. He's not been close to his level this year. Water looks like he's carrying an injury, as they say. Leave him out until he's fit, he's too valuable. We covered some of that, particularly around Water and the episode earlier in the week, just after the game. But the idea of the press, there was, I think after our disallowed goal, there was a spell where Encettia, Sart, and Ebbs were pressing quite well. It then just vanished. I never saw it again until, I think, Matetta was brought on and there was a little burst of energy there. Until the Liverpool goalkeeper's hamstring popped until about then. Exactly. You have to press as a team and we just don't seem capable or willing, whichever one it is, is slightly worrying and it depends on which one is more difficult to remedy. I'd imagine that if it's willing, we've got a real problem. If it's capable, you can throw a bone and say maybe it's a fitness thing and there are players that look rusty or need a rest or, you know, are carrying injuries as equals 1905 intimate. So that certainly needs to come back first to four post-right check. Yeah, the press is, well, the lack of it is what is leading to those lengthy passages of play where we are just sitting off teams and the game clock is just passed us by. And, you know, there were elements of it in the United game, which were frustrating and then there were elements of it in Sato's game. You could definitely argue that the calibre of opposition means we need to respect them and if we push, push, push, we're going to be, you know, easily, you know, cut through and then you'd find yourself one, two, three, kneel down quite quickly. But that wasn't the case towards the end of the last season and we were playing teams of good calibre and pressing high and getting our rewards for it. I think, you know, reference there to Adam Wharton, he's key to that, that press from midfield, he's key to it and while the tone of the question is, is, is, is highlighting the negative and understandably, probably, probably should give some credit to Jefferson Lehrmer for his performance on Saturday because I felt, you know, a lot of the praise went to Will Hughes in the second half, but what Will Hughes was able to do was kind of bring about that team-wide press that the question of refers to whereas Jefferson Lehrmer sometimes was a bit of a lone ranger in the first half saying, "Come on guys, follow me, where are you?" And when he, when he did, you know, instigate some form of like concerted press, it, it looked good, but it was too few and far between and didn't really have any effect on Liverpool and they were able to retain the ball well enough to kind of get themselves out of trouble. But yeah, it's a big difference between the end of last season and now in regards to the press and I'm sure that is something that the manager will be looking to work on over the next two weeks. But yeah, there are some key cogs in terms of that concerted press that aren't working right now and Adam Wharton is definitely one of them and we probably need to talk about Adam. Yeah, but we are done for this part one of the questions pod. So we'll chat more through your questions and some particular players after this. Hi everyone, JD here, just a quick reminder that the Palace for Life marathon March is this weekend, that's coming around quickly, and the FIP team are doing the March yet again, raising money for Palace for Life and all the incredible work they do in South London. If you can donate, the page is justgiving.com/page/fipocast2024, link is in the show notes below. 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I love the idea that there were three other violent bobs who got there ahead of him. You know, there's a, should really make a note of that. Keep some distance away from him. Violet Bob the Force, maybe it's like that American game convention. Oh, yes, it was yes, yeah. I thought I was Violet Bob and before him was. He was Violet Bob the 3rd. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's asked how we think Will Hughes did and equally, Tobias Jackson, Hughes has to start every game surely right now. The centre of the park is competitive when he's in there. It sort of will follow on from what we ended part one on, in terms of the intensity and yeah, I'm drawn to, I'll be paraphrasing, perhaps I'll throw to you. It was a tweet of yours after the game, actually, that I can remember where you said it's perhaps a problem that his, his intensity is so highlighted by the Palace fans because I think it speaks to how little the intensity was from the rest of the team rather than just how well Will Hughes did perhaps. Yeah. It is one of those things that when a sub comes on and has that ability to influence at such a market improvement in the team performance, it's to be, heralded, it's to be applauded, but it also cites the issue in the first place and why the sub needs to be made and, you know, he, I think what you can say about Will Hughes, he does the basics very well. He doesn't reinvent how midfield should, should play. He, you know, he short passes, he's concise, he's Harry in opponents, he's, you know, moving the ball forward when he can, it's, it's all stuff you want to see, but he's not doing anything revelatory. It's not, you know, he's not reinventing the, the six, the eight, the ten, whatever way you want to talk about it. So for it to be as lauded as it was on Saturday and rightly so, I'm not trying to, you know, dilute the, the, the plots that went his way because he certainly earned them, but the fact that we were so off it until he came on concerns me and, you know, I think a lot of the questions and not to skirt away from, from Will Hughes too, too quickly. I agree he, he should feature and will feature, I said earlier in the week, I expect him to feature quite regularly injuries permitting and between now and, and the, and the end of the calendar, you certainly until the transfer window opens, but I think it kind of guy just towards the conversation about Adam Wharton and, you know, I got to sell hers quite early on, on Saturday before my, my friends and, and family arrived and, and went and just had a look at about, you know, 10 to 12 and she's a woman out and Adam Wharton's body language is just not there. And he looks like a guy that's carrying something and he's nowhere near the confident lad that he was when he, when he joined and we've heard indication from the manager that there are concerns about his fitness and, you know, he's had one international break where I think I'm right and saying he didn't go or he withdrew from Porti, he withdrew the first time and now there's the second international break, there's conversations of him going only to be ruled out. It's kind of a, just a process that has to be followed. So really there are concerns and there are still elements of his play, which are the lights have watched, there were two passages on Saturday, which really rang back to spring time and the form that led to his England call up. One was the through ball to which made us are that led to the disallowed gold for it. He gets here. That's just the path that we fell in love with when he first joined us. And then in the second half, shortly before he, he was taken off at the hour mark, beats a man, beats two players and then plays this lovely ball into the kind of inside channel for Ebster to run on to doesn't lead anywhere, but it's well defended. And I thought, wow, there he is and I looked at him and he was spent. He was blown out. He was knackered and I think there's a real job for the medical staff to manage him in the short term. Now, whether or not that involves him not starting games or actively having a number of weeks off to recuperate from whatever injuries he's got, I don't know, but I do think the guy needs a rest and we're fortunate that we have someone like Will Hughes that can come in and maybe add that intensity. The issue with Will Hughes is that we've seen it's very rare that he completed 90 minutes. So you probably still would need to call upon Adam Morton. If huge replaces Walter, you probably then need to add Adam Morton for the last 20 minutes say to come on and do the job. So is he actually getting the rest that you need him to be getting? I don't know. So we kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place there, but I'm very interested to see what the manager does with that midfield. I think we've previously talked to the sales, he certainly talks about it's one of Hughes and Mortensen and one of Chet de Corre and Jefferson Lourmer. Well, when Chet de Corre gets back fit, might we see times when we've got Chet de Corre and Jefferson Lourmer in that midfield? And it's a little bit more industrial. I don't know. Yeah. I think Wharton, it's weird to say this, I'll try and phrase it right because there are other players injured, but he is almost victim of Chet de Corre's injury because the actual reinforcements aren't there. You know, we might be looking at Jeffrey Schlop in midfield or trying to close out games coming on. Will Hughes doing 60, 70 minutes against Forrest, then Jeffrey Schlop playing in the last 20? Yeah. You know, that sort of feels like we've jumped back 12. Stay with us, listener. Stay with us, listener. Yes, yes. Yeah. Heart your car. Have it. Just take a deep breath and you know, everything's going to be OK. Pull over. Pull over when it's safe. Just press pause. Get somewhere to save, listener. It's OK. That can't help, you know, I think some of the options, you know, mooted of the idea that I don't expect Mark Gay to be seen in midfield again, but he has played their Trevor Shallowbar did play. They want to twice a Chelsea, including against us, but Chris Richards is more of a defender. Chris Richards, again, another another injury could have well seen himself put there because Jeff's a learner, not averse to having him a bit more advanced up the pitch. He's a bit of a bully in midfield, but God, he can hear him as well. So, but unfortunately, yeah, at the moment, Will Hughes is the sort of prime candidate to really do Adam Walton a favor in terms of, you know, physical recuperation, but also just increased intensity for Palace and that forest game is a while away. But sort of 10, 12 days away now at this point. I do want, you know, Morgan gives white might miss that game of injury. That does change that proposition slightly more. If you go back, can I ask you, Joe, if you go back to the summer and, you know, there's a lot of love from Palace fans when we saw, you know, Dean Henderson as well to his credit and Adam Walton, boarding a flight to the States almost, you know, days after the euros finished and everyone's, oh, wow, what fantastic attitude. Now it just looks as though the guy should have just gone somewhere hot and just chilled out for a few weeks because it looks like the burnout. And I think, you know, lazy assumption from myself, I won't speak for others. But my lazy assumption was, well, he didn't play that much and, you know, he's had a summer away for his experience and the great good of his career and what an experience it was. But Adam nailed it in the supplement and listened as we have referred to the supplement a few times in this week. If you're not listening, you can subscribe and patreon.com/fippodcast is where you can get that type of insight. But it talks about the fact that the kind of mentality of it was he was always on call. Whether or not he got minutes and he didn't get any minutes much to, you know, our sadness as Palace fans would have been great seeing he was always ready to go. He was a deck of rice, not away from getting on a pitch any time. Yeah. Yeah. And I had kind of that kind of bypass me, probably because of how resolute someone like Declan Rice is and you think, you know, a truck would need to hit him in order for him not to play. He plays every minute for his club. So therefore he's going to play for his country. But yeah, I just wonder whether he's just knackered mentally as well as physically at the moment. And hopefully this two weeks will do us some good. But I think if we need him to have a bit more time, it means that he gets back to where he was and towards the end of last season. And then I think Palace fans would understand you don't act. You don't often actively want one of your best players to be rested, but I kind of think that you might reap what you sow in that sense with him. Yeah. So it's such a mark difference in performance in terms of just his all-round action in midfield. Yeah. You can kind of, you can take the red and blue tinted spectacles can be taken off if they can still be purchased out there. I feel like there's a few of us still wearing them, they are out there. In terms of options, leading to a question from Louis Goodwin to... A toast-based question or something a bit different from Louis this time? No. Something different this time. If Jez Raxsecky keeps up his form, will he have to come back in January? And will he be in starting contention? Now, in the context that this question is asked, Mateus Francis has picked up another injury regrettably. The prognosis didn't sound good, Oliver Glasser said we're unlikely to see him play much football this year, and it would be what, one or two appearances or of course the whole calendar year? I mean... Have you got the Burnley substitute soon? He started the Cup game against... Yeah. City was last Christmas before last Christmas. He started the Everton third round Cup tie, so literally the first week of January, and then Burnley. Sorry, Lister, just to conclude my Eva and Cavieda's reference from early on. His performance against Burnley in February is now starting to remind me more and more of that burning light performance from even Cavieda's against Fulham 20 years ago in that that is literally all we're going to see from him. I really hope I'm wrong, I hope he comes back better than ever in the new year, looks great, but that news that he's out again, having already been ruled out for a pity to broken ribs, you can just feel the air in the balloon that there's for... And the chatters' friends are just starting to dissipate, and those that really were building them up are starting to not build them up as much as they were. It was horrifically timed, even for us, the chat between myself, JD and Kevin about how much was being put into his return, given his potential area on the pitch and the desperate need for someone of that profile, whether or not he's the level and where he's yet to be seen. But yes, his injury suddenly makes that loan out for Jezrak Sakhi, look like it needs to be recalled. He did get two goals on the weekend on his birthday. It was, you know, Sheffield United, I think, might even be top of the league, they're certainly flying high. Top two, I think, I think the win puts them in second. Yeah, okay, and his progression into that team wasn't immediate, he has had to work his way into that set up at Sheffield United, and I think those were his first goals of the season. But, poor kid, if we're continuing to have these kinds of problems, would you anticipate a January recall? Well, one, I have no idea whether that's even tangible, whether that's part of a contract. And two, he kind of expects this kid to know who knows what the next few months alike from the championship, but say he scores another four goals, and he's done six goals come Christmas time. Do I expect that to translate into impacting Premier League matches? No, not from a start and position, but it would be nice to have an additional option from the bench. He will also be furious, not furious, he was a bit pretty annoyed about that. Once again, for the whole necessity of that era with Roy and stuff last year, he was very unlucky and part of it was down to just, yeah, Alice really desperately needing somebody on the bench. 100%. He didn't get the loan move. No, he didn't get the loan move last summer, that was probably the natural progression from his impressive loan speller chart on the year before. And then he does get that loan move, and we could tail it because of our own, maybe ineptitude to harsh word, but our own lack of incoming. I'd lack of fortune as well. Yeah, lack of fortune, it's not where, you know, if everything was going to plan, then he will roll the whole season through at Sheffield United. But, yeah, if it's part of the contract and the options, well, I guess it all depends on timing. Like, the opportunity that there would be for him to come back would then come so and so over the window opening. So if Palace could do business to bring someone in that reduces the scope for bringing him back, then that's probably the ideal from the club's perspective, because then he has a full season in the championship, quite likely to feature prominently for a club that's battling with promotion at the top of the league, and his confidence will be all the better for when he comes back to feature more prominently for us for the 25-26 season. You would hope. Yeah. But there's a lot of variables at play with this situation, namely, we don't even know if there's an option for him to come back. Understand there was a fee of a million pounds paid for whoever did get him. So if that's true, what typically happens from knowledge of other championship loan moves is if the parent club recalls the player, then you refund the whole lot, basically. It's not pay-as-you-play, so we would have to give chef a giant million pounds, which isn't a huge amount in modern-day football, but we would say to them they're not back. What I heard parallels about this jazz season, do you remember for years ago Harvey Barnes went on loan to West Brom? Yes. Yeah. And he was insane. Yeah. But he was insane for half a season. Yeah. And he was insane for one match. Let's see what the next two months look like playing Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday. Then I think if he's absolutely tearing it up and has got 10 goals and assists before Christmas, then the conversation will just get louder, particularly with the news about Franca. But really unfortunate timing for Franca. There's a young man who's moved across the world who really wants his to work. It hasn't worked so far. The skepticism about that signing is getting louder and you feel for him, but given where we are, we do need options and I can hear salesy climbing the walls a bit. Yeah. I wonder if in Katia gets injured, for instance, I do just think we're going to see a lot more of Kamada in that position, particularly the way we're attacking is so I don't think he's any worse than it has been recently into those forward areas. Saar is also a clear option there with the right personnel around him, although, gosh, with Munoz injured, Saar's being needed elsewhere. So it's in theory, theoretically, we have all these options there, but they all be pushed and pulled everywhere else and that leads me to Pete Morton's question, you know, something that has been perhaps discussed earlier, you know, with Munoz likely out for a bit. Do you want Saar or Klein at right wing back or a change in formation? Matt Mutali following up on that, second half we converted to 4-2-3-1 and dominated Liverpool, Mitchell's cleaning up and attacking wing back, should we switch to this formation and play to our strengths or persevere with this free centre back and wing back system? So there are two people, two questions and we'll start with the initial one from Pete Morton, Saar or Klein at right wing back against Forest. Personal preference might be to play Saar, but then you're probably losing him from higher up the pitch and you're losing the impact of him being able to come off the bench and change the dynamic we play with, so, yeah, being sensible and not being as elaborate as I probably would like or as eccentric as I would like to be, probably Nathaniel Klein to start, but as I said in the episode earlier in the week, you know you're losing by starting Nathaniel Klein, you know, you're getting in terms of being defensively a bit more rigid. It might be, you know, earlier on in the week you talked about that kind of inverted overlap of Nathaniel Klein, well, if Nathaniel Klein could demonstrate it, our suspect Max Senes LaQuand will be absolutely reveling in the opportunities to get as far forward as he did as he often tried to on Saturday, I mean, the guy is, yeah, intrepid and I think there's an inner desire from him to get forward. So maybe if Nathaniel Klein starts with the right wing back, there's maybe a bit more license from Max Senes LaQuand to join the attack and given his speed and kind of physical advantages, he could complicate things in the final third from an opposition's perspective, but I think I probably might just go with Klein and, but I think we'll see him. It's made us are deployed at right wing back, possibly even right back many times again this season, as we've seen in the home games against Leicester and Liverpool. Yeah, certainly whenever we go behind, it seems to be a consideration if we are trying to truly overwhelm our sides who are defending against us. I think Leicester was probably the kind of showpiece example of that. Yeah. You had it, Sauron one side and we swapped Mitchell for Schlupp, I think, in the end and it was just, you know, I wouldn't quite say reckless abandon, but as kind of carefully managed chaos as possible at that kind of level and it was enough for us to get back in the game. So that may be how we see ourselves setting up, moving forward from the start, who knows. I'm growing to this idea that Matt Mutulli has put forward of maybe just changing to a four in the meantime, but who knows, we've got 10 days to work on it I suppose, but is that enough? Well, in that case, Joe, you've got a lot of centre backs, played two centre backs. Yeah. And I don't know who said he might have been dumb and Jim in the other pod early in the week, talking about Max sense the quiet right back, I don't know, not necessarily against it, but as he played there before, don't know. But if you go to a flat back for then, yeah, you are someone who's missing out that someone's missing out or you're redeploying them into midfield and ideally you don't really want to do that, but can I ask where you're at with Max sense, look, well, because I know you gave him a few points a couple of weeks ago, what did you think of him on Saturday? I liked his eventual nature on the ball in the game. His passing was pretty frustrating. He's long passing is something that we know that's where he's almost the Anderson replacement more directly, and there was a lovely ball to I want to say ebbs in the first half from him on the right hand side, defensively, it's hard for me to say he is clearly our tallest, strongest centre back, aerially. And I think that will be useful at the other end of the pitch. I've got great hope for him, I've just, I'm trying not to, I caught myself, I nearly gave him points in 3-2-1 this week, and I thought that would have been three weeks in a row I would have put him forward, I thought we've looked a bit shaky at the back since he's arrived and I don't think that all necessarily is full, I'm holding onto this idea that we keep changing that back free for a number of reasons, and that's not helping with familiarity at all, I think the offside, the line we do for that just a goal is a disgracefully evident symptom of that, but I think we'll be okay with it, I like him, I've liked what I've seen, it's been a rough start though, his relationship with Munoz is not quite as fluid or anything, that gap has been there and been exposed by a couple of teams now, but then equally in games like Everton, I thought he was really good at Everton and sort of dealt with Neil and then more so, God was his name, and he either, we looked at first half done a number on a diet, but maybe in those games like, okay it's Forrest and Wolves, I think those kind of concerns may not be as founded, we'll see, but I'm not, of the players that we've brought in who are trying to fit into the team, he's the least I'm worried about is Kamala is well discussed as to where he should play, if he plays, and Katia I have warmed to, I still don't know about him playing there long term, I think that's a strike all day, so yeah, I'm not worried about La Croix, but it's been, it's not been a smooth style, what do you think? It's funny because I think I'm probably slightly behind you in my assessment of him, in that the only way I can really describe it is you know, you're a really tight group of mates and then someone brings someone new into the group and everyone's like, they're brilliant, they're so funny, they're the best, they're so cool, and you're like, are they, like I'm seeing in glimpses and I like the profile, I like the adventure that he brings, I don't think he's particularly good in short term passes, I think he's better with the ball and going longer, but there's a lot to like about him, but some of the praise that's been put in his way has surprised me, some people talking about how well he settled has surprised me, I think he has done well, but perhaps not, I haven't assessed it to be as well as some are saying, but I like him, I think he will settle, I completely agree that that back three probably should be the back three for the season, I think Trevor shallow bowl proved to be a good signing, he looked incredibly rusty, but I think will prove to be an astute loan signing, I like the profile of La Croix, 24, lots of experience, physically very capable, top for them likes the ball at his feet, but I think there may be limitations, I also think he thinks he's got a little bit more time on the ball than he sometimes does, but that's all about adapting to a new league, and I think if you compare him to your commandant in terms of comfort on the ball, what might be lost sometimes when talking about your commandant is he did have that year in England before he joined Palace on loan at Fulham, so he was used to the pace, he was acclimatised, whereas I think La Croix might need a few months to get up to speed in terms of the pace of the press from the attack and Diego Jossner on Saturday was a nuisance, he was all over us at points, and I like him, but I think I just feel like I'm, yeah absolutely, I was really surprised by Jossner on Saturday, yeah he was a lot more of a second goal if he did not at all, it should have had possibly a hat trick, it could have had a hat trick, the hair during the second half as well, but yeah I think with La Croix I'm just perhaps not up with every Palace fan who's as praiseworthy of him as some are, but no I like him, but yeah I think he will settle and prove to be a good signing, but he might need a bit more time than some fans are thinking, yeah another one arrived, fresh off an injury having kind of been a sort of contract rebel at Wolfsburg says, manager says he's not going to go where he was, yeah Ralph Hausen who's still looking around the dressing room for him, thinks he's still around, but I think he only played the once and then got injured immediately in that game, so I don't think he's had the best, the most ideal preparations either, combine that with as you say, adjusting to the Premier League, I think the other signing outfield from the Sherman League, although who came from Lazzier, bless him, but from Glazen's past, yes Glazen's past, I think one of the kind of things that, the consistent trend I've seen between those two is an extra touch, that isn't always perhaps necessary and they're getting caught out, so hopefully that comes in time, but it's a brutal league, it's such a merciless league for things like that. You've often talked about your excitement for Daniel Munoz's first goal, I'm kind of at the races for Max Sense LaQuar's first goal and it's going to be a gallivanting sequence of one twos and he's going to find himself one or more of the goalkeeper and he's going to coolly go around the goalkeeper or dink it over him, I can see it, but that gallivanting element to the centre-half is fun to see, not always when it's your own centre-half though, so I think I must have to set my own expectations for where he is sometimes. It's interesting to say that because I think it was, I think Shalabar was interviewed after Liverpool game and he said it was a specific Glazen instruction at half time for the centre-backs to come out with the ball and actually skip past a few players and drive with it because there is just that, I wouldn't go as far as calling it a vacuum in midfield, but given this intensity issue that we've got, you sometimes have defenders with the ball or even a lirmer with the ball in possession, just everybody in front of him standing still and those centre-backs, all three of them did try to make stuff happen in that game, running, taking it, bringing the ball out of defence, not even going wide, like bringing it in-field and I'm not averse to seeing that happen more often, particularly when you've got two other centre-backs behind them to cover, you know, Anderson had his times of doing that every now and then under the era that it was fun to see, but it was only Mark K covering, which was a bit high in mouth, whereas do you apply the back free, that should be one of the benefits of doing that, so... 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But Oliver Glass has got it right today, but we have to take our chances otherwise we'll go down. Now, we've been fishing for positives. Oh, I've certainly felt like I have. I know what I'm like on this product. I'm very impressionable. I can flip up either way, but I am trying to find the positives and things to be optimistic for in the future, knowing what this settled squad can do when players are fit, et cetera, et cetera. But the further we go into the season, Jack, these kinds of questions can be asked with great validity. I don't be there in any such thing as being too good to go down and I don't want to be complacent. How are we getting there? Again, I might revert back to this question, post-wolves, and if we go 10 games without a win, then I might start to consider whether we need to be part of this conversation. But yeah, with some of the players we've gotten, it's not for ourselves, we haven't got the most stellar of squads, but we've got some absolutely superb individuals. We've got, in one of England's goalkeepers, we've got said to half who was, you know, moved to be valued at around £75m. We've got Adam Morten, who's considered an absolute diamond. We've got Eberich Ese, who has bought so much joy to Palace fans over the time he's been with us. And we've got a striker who ended last season, the most informed striker in Europe. So we've got players in that squad of a pedigree that far exceeds the pedigree shown by a team fighting for their league survival. But with a number of variables at play, we may will find ourselves at the wrong end of the table for a prolonged period. I do think we will eventually move ourselves away from that. But yeah, that term, too good to go down. The longer we're down there, particularly the longer we're windless, we will start to see articles of that type and, yeah, probably feature on podcasts and be talked about and be likened to that West Ham team of 2002, 2003, which I would probably consider to be the best team that ever did go down from the Premier League. Yeah. Especially when you look at what we're expected to do, I know there's many factors as we've discussed over today and earlier in the week and all season, but we're the side in that bottom five, six least expected to be there out of those that are there. What does give me some encouragement if, I mean, this is really kind of clutching at straws, maybe listener, but there are four teams without Premier League wind this season after seven games, which I believe is a record anyway. We are not slumming it down there on our own. It is quite a top heavy table and then suddenly, you've got to get to four teams before you find a team with two wins. Quite at least only seven games, but from 15th down, Leicester and Everton have got a win. Leicester can't believe they got a point against us as it did equally, Everton, they somehow have got a win against us, but then you've got Ipswich, ourselves, Southampton and Wolves. The latter two there, I mean, that Wolves game is, you know, they could have very well have a different manager by the time that comes around. Southampton, I imagine, are going to stay down there regardless of their season. We are not being cut a drift whatsoever. One win and we are back where we, people would laugh and joke about where we're supposed to finish in the season, so it is a rough start. It's been a lot of kind of disappointing results, if not performances and, yeah, if we're here in November, then that conversation has to, you know, you are looking over your shoulder. Kevin Day will have to get his bits of paper out, even though he hasn't even considered it yet, but, you know, the win has eluded us and there's nothing that drains confidence quicker than a winless run, you know. Are we able to put a watchman outside staples on the pearly way, just to kind of keep an argument? If he starts doing station re-orders, guys, that's when you need to start worrying. Sandy alarms. Oh, my goodness. I mean, that's where the Wolves game, not only is the Wolves game, I think three of the next four after that are full of at home, Newcastle at home, and then Ipswich away. So very quickly, you could be 14 games in, having had a relatively kind start, and that's where I think the pressure will start to tell in terms of the manager's position. I mean, it's unimaginable to go 14 games about a win, and I think by that point, elements of the fan base would perfectly understand the manager's position would be in jeopardy at that point. But I trust it won't be, I trust it won't be after 10 games, I do think we will pick up a win in the dots in the future, I mean, we've got Spurs coming up and not to jinx us, but what they do on the South Coast yesterday takes undoing. So their confidence might be shot a little bit, but yeah, it's a tough place, but the two good to go down conversation, yeah, let's hold off it for now, but hopefully it's not one we need to pick up in a few months time. No, finally, in terms of the Palace questions, Matt Smith related to that, how long does Paris give class now? We're asking these questions, they're not unfounded, I'm not there yet myself, but you know, it would be, it would be, as you say, it would be closer to that 14 games of without a win, or even if it's one win in 14, you know, that could be. Yeah, I mean, it would be remiss of the board to not be considering such decisions if we get to that point. And I think the conjecture around the manager would start to pick up if we end that wolves game without a win, I do think after 10 games, the kind of hysteria within a fan base outside the fan base will pick up whether right or wrong. But yeah, that 14th game takes us up to early December, so we will be a fair way into the season by that point. But I don't consider it likely it will be winless, I think we've got enough. In the squad, I think we've got games that will present themselves as opportunities to get wins from again, got to remind yourself that most recent defeat has come against a team that most anticipate to be in the top four this season. That's not a gimme on Saturday, I know the circumstances and throughout the game meant that a point at least felt tangible but Liverpool are a good side and won't be too regretful that we didn't take anything from that game, but there are fixtures coming up and the manager will know that. The manager wants to exceed at this level, you know, Dom's talked about it so many times since the appointment was made that Oliver Glazner sees that they're an opportunity to really make his name in the Premier League and he'll want to maximise this. He won't be taking this lightly, he'll be working as hard as anyone to get this right so fingers crossed that's not a decision that the board have to make any time soon but we have seen it in the past that when a decision does need to be made, Steve Parrish will make it. What if, Jack, we're on a cariboule cut run with our leaving, whatever it is. I mean, then we start up in the conversation of cariboule, cariboule, cariboule, all the league. Really? Where's your priority? I mean, let's not start up in those conversations yet but... Oh, gosh. Yeah. Well, I mean, if this time next year we're playing Saturday, Tuesday, Thursday or Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday, whatever the, you know, championship Europa League continue and requires then so be it, I'll take it but I hope it's not, I hope it's not required. I do think there's enough and it's funny, you know, your point about the teams are also winless. You know, Wolves look a shattered myself that they did under Gary O'Neil last year, understand there were significant calls from the away and at Brentford on Saturday for him to go. Southampton look like a team that came up through the playoffs and it's which I think there's a lot of good spirit directed towards it before the season started but they haven't really started the season as they would have hoped, albeit there are goals in that team and then Leon Dalap, they've got a pretty decent striker so they will get goals as whether they can kind of curtail the, both of them at the other end. Yeah, you're right, we haven't been cut a drift. It's not like 2013-14 where, you know, after that Sunday when we didn't win for ages and that we really did start to look cut a drift and it was, you know, the good work of Tony Poulis and the smart signings in that January that saw us the safety quite comfortably by the end of it. Yeah, I don't feel particularly cut a drift yet but we have only played seven games, obviously. One win in 17 for Wolves in the Premier League. Is it really? Yeah, they had a pretty rotten back end. Yeah, we went there, we went there, made, didn't we? And they kind of fallen off by that point and we put them to the sword. Yeah, I hadn't realised they did last season so poorly. Yeah, well, hey, let's hope that's a pile on the music. Really, we really off the mark by then because, yeah, we're putting a lot of pressure on to that forest game now but I know if we turn up there and do our best, if we give more than just a half, we might actually give something there, although city ground under the lights are not unless it does give me a little bit of anxiety. Are you tempted? Are you tempted we'd be making a trip to the Midlands on the night? No, no, no, no, no, I mean, the idea of how to get back sounds like a nightmare so I'll be watching on the box like a, you know, fair weather, what can I say? Yeah, well, all, all credits to the hardy cells that we'll be making the trips to these Midlands. Absolutely. Absolutely. I said we'd bookend with kind of lighthearted messages. I went on Bobby v 1984 talking about, you know, if this is getting to you, this run Palace fans and I include some Pete, I saw the most absolutely maniacal rent from, I won't say who, but Jack, you know, I'm talking about. I think most listeners will absolutely that a meltdown on Saturday night, the combination of the Liverpool result and the, which we haven't mentioned, actually, the Palace under the Palace and the 21 losing 10 new to Brighton on Saturday, 10, 10, yeah, that didn't go down well. Well, a few, a few Palace, but one in particular, not just offered out the under 21 individually, I'm also every fan that dare to just kind of go. It's not that big of a deal, mate. If it is getting to you like that, I'd take the advice of Bobby v 1984, who said he's bought the new EA game that what would be called FIFA 25, but I think it's called the AFC now. He said, I've got the exact same Palace squad on FIFA 24 and after five games were top of the table with maximum points and only conceded one goal, fantasy beats reality every time. Look, you need to, you need to inject yourself a dose of fantasy. That's how, that's what keeps us going, the, the, what ifs the, it can it be done, the, the will we rather than should we. And Alice, look, it's going to get better. It always does eventually, whether that's this season or whether, um, the David Ozo and uh, Caleb before midfield, just rags sake next to you. Yeah. Yeah. The good times will be back. Don't you worry. We, we were spoiled at the back end, but we can ask again, we can dream again. And, uh, until the real deal delivers on that, get on that playstation boys and girls. Let's, let's just live out our dominating dreams in the Premier League on there. But yeah, for now, in the meantime, enjoy the international break. Um, we'll be back in a wee while. JD will be much better by then. I assume I hope, uh, it's been a couple of days now. Um, but yeah, thank you for listening to the five year plan podcast. As always, Jack, thank you for holding it down with me over this week and answering the questions as best we can. Hey, yeah. If last time you and I kind of went alone, it was seven o'clock in the morning. After a tunnel to be at home to board my floss December. So hopefully a more enjoyable experience than that for us and the listener. Yeah, that wasn't a deal. I don't think I'm hoping that this, if this is the bottom, if this is the rock bottom of the season, brilliant, we'll take it. Absolutely. We'll take it. Let's set that precedent right now. On that lovely note, see you later. Bye. [Music] This podcast is part of the sports social podcast network. [Music] [ Silence ]
