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Ask your doctor and visit botoxcronicmigraine.com or call 1-800-44-BOTOX to learn more. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Hello and welcome to the Five Year Plan podcast. It's part two, or later in the week, question special will be answering your questions over the next 40 to 45 minutes or so. On a range of subjects, Crystal Palace related, of course. I'm Jim Daly, joining me is Joe Walker, Joe Hayden. I leave to Joe Pierce again. I don't know what's wrong with me this week. Joe Hayden, sorry. I'm forgiving that, I'm good. I'm very, very good as we draw closer to another Palace game. You know, we'll walk down to that. But I'm just starting to get excited for Goodison, but I'll last ever Goodison trip, but yeah. We'll get on to it. - Oh, that's very true. We'll briefly preview that. And then if you want a more extensive preview, join our Patreon, patreon.com/fippodcast for the warm up each week with Alex Puter, our resident tactico. When we look at the tactics and the stats ahead of each game, that's on Friday morning. So that drops. Jack Pierce is also here. Jack, are you excited? Have it turned away, I mean, is it a new ground for Joe Walker? - Yes. - Yeah, exciting. - I did the infamous. - Oh, of course you talked about that. - Oh, it's true. - Yeah, I can't repeat it. - Yeah. - Whatever it was when the game was called. - February, February, 2014. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I pulled off the high winds and I couldn't make the, couldn't make the roof. - The night of the flying road sign. Yeah. - Yeah. - Not good. Hey, that's exciting. Any new ground is, I mean, we were so clutchy at that, that Loftus Road kind of felt like that last week. But, yeah. Yeah. Beautiful old ground. Shown about the club at the moment. But the ground's nice. Yeah, we'll get on to that a bit later. But yeah. - It will, it will, it will be back soon, back soon. - Well, leave Sellers is one of the sort of remaining old style grounds in the league, really. They're sort of, they're, they're, they're slowly dropping off. So, yes, whatever you think about. - One of the few grounds with a restricted view still. - Yeah, yeah. - And that's how you quantify a classic brow top-like ground. Is there a seat where you can't see anything? And I'd say, at Sellers, yes, it's literally my season, they can see. Both goals restricted. So, shed many times is also a good thing. - Right. We hinted in the early episode in the week. We had a lot of questions about Daiichi Kamada. Again, a talking point. I don't know how long we'll keep going into the season 'til he stops becoming a talking point. But again, played in that deep-lying role. I think people were very surprised or I certainly was that he started again after QPR away in the same position. He continues to be clearly a project for the manager and a talking point. Many people have sent in questions. Matt Smith says, "I wanna give Kamada time, "but the defense only seemed to have more confidence "and play the ball once Blurma and Hughes came on." Jason Mallens says, "Can we agree that Blurma starts "over Kamada in midfield while Chet de Cory is injured? "The experiment is done." Well, I like that, it's very dramatic. And South Florida Palace, Kamada is a conundrum. He impressed in pre-season, but seems to lack it in the EPL. However, few have impressed. So, Joe, what do you make of? What do you make of Kamada? Can you see what the manager's trying to do? Are you willing to give him time or do you agree with Jason that the experiment is over? I agree that I think he's a tidy player, and I think he's got some really nice touches and he's clearly got an eye for a pass and something which isn't always praised as a player. I like players that take risks with passes. People only tend to get praise for that if they come off. I kind of don't mind that he's not afraid to try a slightly risky or ambitious pass. The fact that this manager backs him suggests that maybe they come off a lot more in training or certainly when he was with him at Frankfurt. But in a midfield too, with Adam Wharton, a sort of 60, 70% Adam Wharton. I guess Manchester United, I just don't think that is a, well, he's easy to say after the fact, but I don't think anyone would have picked that before the game either. I think we said in that post-QPR chat, his performance, he wasn't alone. I think a lot of players in that game were playing at the same intensity and hesitancy as he was. So I didn't want to hold anything against him due to that performance specifically. But yeah, I think the concern with him in that midfield, certainly when the partner is Wharton, I think. We saw it with West Ham when he came on in that position and a lot of that first half. I almost don't want to put it on him singularly, but perhaps as a partnership way too much space in behind. Very far too easy for the opponent to just go right through that midfield and suddenly be kind of, you know, 4v4 in an attack or something. Like, it really is just man for man. And that doesn't seem sustainable. You know, I'm sure they will improve if you kept persisting with those two together. But I'm with Selzy. I'm with the one lump and one sort of tidy passer. And, you know, that sounds very harsh on D'Cory, actually. And Jefferson Lirma. I feel a lot calmer with Jefferson Lirma in that midfield than I did with Kamado and Wharton. So, I mean, look, that's evident, I guess, by even Lirma and Kamado together was a lot more positive for us. So I think people should perhaps look at that as sort of more evidence of kind of what needs to change, rather than specifically sticking it on Duchy Kamado. And, you know, we'll see. I don't think he was a complete write-off in that position in where Kettie has now made his home. Yeah, I do. It all stinks that Kamado wants to be where he is. And I don't think he'll ever move into there besides, you know, injury or suspension. So, it's just about where else can he go? Where else is he going to fit? Where else can he be useful? And, yeah, if he's going to stay in midfield, I want to, I want a big sort of, thou shall not pass type hold in my shoulder. And we've got a couple of them. And I think they need to be alongside him. I think you're right. And I think it's all about balance. And that feels way more. And would you say lump, clog origins or hurricanes? You get very unfair descriptions to very good pleasures. But the problem is, Jack, that your player is always going to be Walton, injury aside, fitness aside, whatever. Even if he has a bad run of form, it's going to be Walton. So it's really hard to see ways into this team for Kamado. Even if it is for the forward, as Joey says, because it's almost certainly looking like SA and Kettie in those 10s. And Kettie doesn't even look like he's going to pay for the forward as he said earlier in the week. So, actually, I think Kamado is going to be reduced to back up and cameo roles. And unfortunately, that's not how you settle into a new team. That's going to make it even harder for him to find form in this new league. - You say that, but there's clearly a fondness from the manager. There's clearly a desire for him to get minutes and get used to this league. And we know that this was a long of a glazen signing. With the blessing of the club, of course, I'm not indicating that one of the glazen's railroaded, the club has said, "You must sign him." But clearly, this was driven by the manager. So, we may will see more of Dashi Kamado than we would anticipate. I had no expectation he would start Saturday having played the way he did against QPR. I didn't think he was atrocious against QPR, and there were moments that I thought, "Okay, there is clearly a player there." And I think he suffered as a result of the general lack of pace in that game. Technically, he is very decent. He's smart, he gets into the right positions. And I think actually, what we shouldn't lose is defensively, while positionally, as Joe said, sometimes there was too much of a gap between him and Phil. His actual defensive instincts aren't as bad as I actually feared they would be. I actually think he's been actually quite a student defensively for us when he's been playing in a two in the most recent games. When he came in against West Ham, that was a bit of a disaster, but the month ago now, we'll kind of forget about that one. But as he grew into the game on Saturday, I'm sorry, it's the game kind of continuing. I thought he grew into the game. And that's what you want to see from him, but I still can't tell you where he's going to end up playing for Palace. I don't know what the, I don't know where he plays the most for us this season. I grew with Joe that I think he probably wants to play coming off the left-hand side of the number 10, well, there's no way he's going to be doing that, unless an injury allows him an opportunity to do so. Don't think he's got the pace to really threaten in other parts of the pitch. So, yeah, it's an interesting one. And I'm not quite sure where he's going to kind of fit for us this season. - Can I offer some insight on that? - Oh, please, some rare FYP insight. One of our patrons, a growth by the name of Dylan Evans, has sent us this wonderful message. I'm going to read it out now that Dylan posted it on one of the comments in one of our recent episodes. It has new patron here. I've lived in Frankfurt for the past 20 years and I followed them and said my local team, Dijke Kamala took a while to get going, but by a second season, he was pulling the strings for Frankfurt's attack. His best position, by far, is centrally behind the strikers. Great on the ball and I for a pass, decent finish. Whenever he plays deeper, whenever he plays deeper, he struggled and also had difficulties out wide. Frankfurt mostly played with two defensive midfielders behind him and that brought the best out of him. When I heard we were getting him, I automatically assumed he'd be a replacement for Eze. I'm confident he'll be turned good for Palace, but also struggled to see where his best position would be with our current set up. And then thanks for your hard work. Well, upon me, my dad never missed one. Greetings from Frankfurt. Dylan, greetings back to Frankfurt to you and your dad. Thank you for that message. Absolutely lovely, really appreciated it. And also the Insight Jack. So what I'm getting from that really is that actually, in this current set up, I'm not sure that we're going to see Kamala flourish in any particular position, possibly until the system changes or until injuries or departures open up a position. I think it's really interesting though, what you're saying about his second season. And that reminds me, and I think it was when we signed Glen Murray in 2011 that Dougie who was manager at the time said, judge him on his second season. And I've always thought, and obviously that proved to be absolutely spot on. I've always thought that ever since of every player judged him on their second season. So maybe we need to be a little bit more easy going on Kamala first season. For sure. I don't think anybody's intending to be particularly dismissive of him. I think there's a lot of fans who think there's a talented player there, but just where does he fit in? And Dylan's message kind of indicates that. I'm happy to give him time. I think if we could fast forward a year, we'd be very interested to see where he is, but the Premier League waits for nobody. That's my concern. And who's to say the manager's going to be the manager in a year's time. And that might not be a negative thing. That might be him being poached by someone else. I still think Spurs will go for glasm and for vacancy comes up there, for example. So yeah, it's very interesting insight. I think the other thing to forget that can sometimes be forgotten about, Kamala, is because the connection to the manager, you very easily fall back into his spell at Frankfurt in a team that won the Europa League in a very positive output for that club. Well, since he left there, he had a fairly underwhelming spell in Serie A with Lazio. So he's a player that's probably still finding his feet in himself, let alone in a new league. So yeah, really interested to get Dylan's thoughts on that and hope you carry on listening to them. Welcome to the patron. - I'm curious to know what his pitch, what he was pitched by the club. Obviously, you know, his glasener, plenty discussed, but he arrives on the 1st of July, or certainly announced on the 1st of July. And maybe it comes for training, obviously, a bit later. Maybe because of that spell at Lazio going as it is, I'm curious as to whether Palace sort of offered ourselves as a kind of a sanctuary, somewhere to just, that's any, somewhere that isn't Lazio with a manager that you know, or whether it was, come here in your start, we're gonna probably get offers for EBS and he'll be gone. Because I can't shake off that Steve Parrish quote. - We're surprised. - We're surprised, yeah. - Where he basically, I cannot believe we didn't get in the offers, which, I know, you can read that in many ways. I took it to mean, we were really expensive to say, we were really budgeted to say him this summer. - I've got a Japanese international, that you've got a weak saying. - Yeah, oh my God, what we're gonna do. And then if the latter is true, you can perhaps understand why they might be trying to crowbar him into the team, if they've promised him X amount of games and, you know, nah, nah, you'll hear, you're gonna be our, you're gonna be our kind of main creative outlet this season. Maybe that, yeah, it's really interesting. And hopefully it's not too deep into that cup. It's not anything too far into that because, yeah, you've got to put the team first of the club first, shall I say, rather than individual players. But yeah, really interesting because, yeah, in absence, I think he'll probably be a much more useful player than he is currently, but, you know, over the season, he'll make his impact definitely. And I think we just, I think the fan base, generally, just needs a Palace win a couple more, sort of really good 90 minutes from Palace, and all this stuff will start to subside. - So I just, I was looking there as you guys are talking. I was one of Frank Fertz results on that run to that Europa League win was away at Barcelona in the quarter finals. I think it was the second. They draw on the first leg at home one all, and then they went to Barcelona, and they won three, two. It's not a big, big result. Because as you were talking about Kamala there and saying that, how we're done for Frank Fertz, I was reminded that like that wasn't just like a middling, you know, Bundesliga team, they won the Europa League. They were a good team. So I thought, I'll go and see if Kamala played in that game. He played in both games, and in particularly in the away game, he played in the as a position. And I'm looking at the line-ups now. It's the same formation he plays, now for Palis. And Kamala was that left of those two narrow tens. Didn't score, I can't find out if he got any assists. But obviously still, obviously, you know, a great, great performance by Frank Fertz, and he was a pivotal part of that, of that team. - He, I mean, I won't profess to watching Frank Fertz, we can week out when Glaston was there. But in the highlights, particularly during that run, and then highlights I've watched since Glaston took over at Palis, he was another beneficiary from that. Attackers in close proximity to one another, you know, ball bouncing around, technically able to kind of give and go, be a defender with some quick feet. That's where I think we would see the best of him. But he was coming, as you say, he was coming off that left hand side, which presents more opportunities for him to get shot away. He's more comfortable on his right foot, although he's comfortable on his left, but he's better with his right. And yeah, maybe we solved it, guys. - Maybe we solved it. - He did get an assist. He got an assist for the third goal for Kostich, so actually went three and a half in that night. - Very, very impressive. And you know, maybe it's a foreshadowing for when Palis. - They're West Ham fans, they, West Ham fans, but I think they're from the court to Earth, from the semi-final. So they, he's one of the best players they've ever seen play against the London stadium. They're West Ham fans couldn't believe, or one they hadn't signed in, 'cause they signed every play wherever they did. But they, we'd signed a player at that caliber. - You know, presuming that he was still playing at the Sanity Awards two years ago, but yeah, it'll be a, it'll be a top of your conversation throughout the season. And I hope it emerges to be a positive conversation, and I trust it will, but yeah, it's a shame. - It's a shame he started his palace spell with this relatively negative light shining on him. I don't think it's fully justified. - No, yeah. - Don't want him to symbolize this general imbalance that is in the squad of them, but it's certainly in the starting lineup. He's a symptom of it rather than the cause, you know? And that's, you know, which is why I think when it's, when we click, when we work it out, and it is when, not if, I think it will, maybe there'll be a bit less of it, and it will be a bit more positive as he's impacting the game's mark. - I think you guys nailed it, that the club respects him to BSA's replacement. I think you've absolutely nailed it then. And Steve's comments. - So you say we held, we nailed, I think Steve Parrish nailed it. - Yeah, well, I think he's given a clear indication there of the club's thinking really quickly on formation. And again, I don't think the manager is gonna deviate too much from his plan A. We've seen in games, he will change it to almost a 442, or certainly for all the back, if things are going away. But Gavin Drummond has said, "With a least they go on and walked into Corey struggling, "I'd add fitness there." What's our base formation and tactics? And then Jack H has given us a lineup. Do you want to see here, Jack's lineup? - Someone, is it the Dean 1 to 11? - No, no, but it should be. And I'm sure someone will next week give us a Dean 11, a palace. This is why the Corey's out. La Croix gay here in Richards is a back three. Munoz, Lirma, Wartund, Mitchell, Kamada, Eza, and Kettia up top. Which I guess Jack maybe leads into the next question. And we've got a lot of questions from people asking about and Kettia, Jack H, same guy. Why is in Kettia not up top? Mettetta's not been the same. Dr. H Spore has sent us a question in French. I've run it through translate translate. Should we play, this is the trial, I'm not going to do the French. - Is this the worst French accent I've ever heard? - Should we play without, no, no, no, no. - Oh no, that's the worst French accent I've ever heard. - Should we play our two attackers, Mettetta and then Kettia together? Two players for a single position, question mark. D-Tronix 81, why was in Kettia playing behind? So the Kamada questions do lead into this one, Jack. 'Cause actually if you are then going to play and where clearly he was at his best for Frankfurt, you're then creating a whole other situation. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of questions about the system. It's a system that works so well towards the end of last season. We're all tied to it. We all have an emotional investment to it because we saw some of the best days with it last year. But there are some brown pegs and square holes at the moment, no doubt about it. I think the manager will stay true to it. It's one that you just referred to. The previous chat about Kamada, he loves the system. It's the one that he likes. I actually think the only way he'll bend with this system is if Daniel Munoz or Tari Mitchell gets injured. I think if the unavailability of one of the wing backs, I think it will be the defining factor in terms of him deciding not to pursue it any longer. And I think we'll see a kind of mix and match situation with the front three positions. Might see Nketia through the middle. We might see him consistently from the number 10. We'll see Saar through the middle. Might see him in the number 10. I mean, out of those questions, the question in terms of Nketia and Metesra is a two, I can see us utility. That might be the changing system when we need it. But I can't see us starting when he goes into the two of them up top. You just so rarely see two up top, man, the Premier League. I just can't see it. - Is that because I'm not obviously a big expert in terms of tactics and formations and stuff? But is that because in these modern formations, those two narrow tens, and you see everyone plays three up front at the moment, and you see in different ways Arsenal play with a wider three, Palace play with a narrow three, is because those two tens have defensive responsibilities and we thought with the least A last season and his improvement there, that if you play two up top, you are taking out a player's defensive responsibility that's very important in terms of screening the midfield and screening those four backs. - Well, you very rarely see a lateral two, but you do see a two. You never see them lateral. You see one behind the other one. So naturally, they then become a midfielder when you're defending. So you're never a truthful four two all the time. It's not gone at the days of Jork and Carl, Shira and Sutton. You don't have those two lateral twos that you know, when you do see a pairing up top. Trying to think of maybe even the pair like maybe Kane and Son, but even Son would typically cut on the left hand side. - Yeah. - So I don't know, I get lost. I've only got so much brain space. I can't deal with all the tactical stuff as well. There's other podcasts who do that a lot better than I could pretend to try and do that. But I think the manager is just very trusting of this formation. And I think he's going to try and make this work with the current playing staff. And if it doesn't, then we may see him after the tweak it, but I suspect the only time was the tweak, it would be player availability. And I agree with Selzy and his point that he made on the supplement this week about not having the options in the wide, sorry, in the attacking area, not having a number of options you would want. It's definitely valid, but I think the breaking point would be the wingback area. - Oh no, I just, I think the current formation is his favourite. And you saw it from his start of his time at Palace, sort of retrofitted the existing squad into it. And you know, with the signings, it definitely did work in a way that, you know, let's be honest, prior to those January signings, the existing squad was not equipped to play that. So you can't, you know, that played its part. He is, if you've seen from the changes, he's not afraid to change it up. Just something that I can't remember why I heard it, but I just went and double checked. So when he was at Wolfsburg, he played a 442. So when the personnel demands it, I think he is quite happy to change it up and maybe that we will see a Mateta and Kettie from the start at some point. And I would say with Jack, especially if there are some changes at fallback or the wingbacks and we're suddenly a little bit stretch and we're not that much, not enough favour yet in Franco-Romeo or anything like that, then yeah, perhaps we will see a 442. And I don't think any of us would be too despondent at that because there's all the options that we have as square pegs that we have. I think we could put out a fairly serviceable 442, I think, even if that zabs out on the wide left sort of Roy style, first theta and then a saa out on the right. Well, can I offer? My toxic paddocks opinion is, I think, if we did play 442, Munoz on the right midfield with a client or someone behind him, I think would work quite well. But I would never tweet that. (laughs) - No, you just say on a leading Palace podcast. - Yes, yes. - Leading. - Oh, thank you, yes, well, we'll take that. - But as long as long, let's call it long standing. (laughs) 'Cause that's factual, can't deny that. - But yeah, it's a Munoz this season. I think, you know, for as much as I said, Komada is the symbol of the imbalance. I think Daniel Munoz is perhaps the biggest victim of the imbalance in just that, his relationship with that person on the right of the two tens, if you like, it's just night and day from what we had last season. And it's not a damnation of those players in particular, but just the way they decide to play in that position is totally different. And those overlaps have just not been there this season. And it's not without Daniel Munoz's efforts. He's still putting in some incredible shifts and putting in his double time. I, we just don't seem to be breaking and building up our attacks in the same way. There are little glimmers of it with Tsar on the pitch, against Manchin, between him and Kettia, there was a little bit in the build up for Tsar's chance. And then I believe Ebbs' chances, Komada, sort of having a better connection with Tsar at Y. And that needs to improve whoever it is going to be. Some is, that's got to improve there because that was such a massive part of our just ferocious attacking, relentless attacking last season. And at the moment, I feel that a lot of the joy that we are getting, certainly in possession, has been out on the left side. And, you know, I want to contradict myself from last week or, but I like that Tyra Mitchell gives it a go. He's not scared to try and put across him, take on the man. He's not quite as successful as Daniel Munoz would be in terms of the success rate of that. So I would like Daniel Munoz to be able to have a bit more action on that side with the help of the players in front of him. So, yeah, I feel like that's as big of an issue as to whether we should be sticking Eddie in a two just yet. But, you know, there's nothing set in stone because, well, nothing's worked, yeah, we haven't won. There's a lot to work out. There's a lot for manager to work out in various positions. Guys, if we take a quick break, we'll come back. 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But out of everything, what you'll really love most is that it's a Honda. Visit Honda.com/ev to see offers. (upbeat music) - Welcome back to the five-year-pan podcast. It's our late week. Part two episode where we answer your questions. Neil Steer had sent in Jack, you'll like this one, who simply says, "I thought we'll use it okay." Yes, Neil, thank you. We're gonna be a lot of that throughout the season. And she and he says, "Hues was better than okay. "He was brilliant." - Oh, not so good in the t-shirt. - About as much as they've said. This doesn't work on a mic, but I like the sentiment. We had a question from AJ, who says, "I'm Australian, congratulations, AJ." And I just wanna point out that our new national coach played 123 games for Crystal Palace. Let's go over to our Tony Popovich correspondent. It's Jack Bish. Jack, you must have been delighted at this news. - I am delighted. I am delighted for Tony Popovich. He, yeah, he's had a number of spells with Ali clubs and I presume he's left, I presume he's not gonna duel coach, but I presume he's left Melbourne victory to take this job. And it probably is the highest honor for an Australian coach. No doubt about it. He tried his hand in Europe. I think in the Greek league about five years ago and it didn't work out. But he's been a pioneer in the league. He was the coach of the first Australian team to win the Asian Champions League. He led Perth Glory to the best spell he's had or they've had as a club. And he's done well with Melbourne victory in recent years. So all credit to him and yeah, congratulations to Tony Popovich and a lot of Palace fans have a great deal of love for. It is the week, I believe of the 20th anniversary of the Angola, Bratton Parks. I'm pleased to see that the good comes with the bad. - That's an incredible, I know you love a Palace anniversary, but that is- - There's a lot of them. There's a lot of them at the moment. There's a lot of them at the moment. - That old girl sensational. But yeah, I had the pleasure of meeting Tony when I was out in Australia. Five years ago, gave me a good couple of hours with him at the Perth Glory training ground. And yeah, loved his time at Palace and yeah, spoke very fondly about it. So yeah, delighted for him and close by his own assessment, close to maybe being Palace manager once upon a time, but that's a story for another time. But yeah, good luck to him. And obviously now the second former Crystal Palace player became manager of Australia after Terry Renables in the late '90s. - Which I got within seconds of you putting it in the WhatsApp group? - It seconds. - Literally. - You just answered every question to Terry Renables. - Yeah. - Do you offer dinner to like Terry Renables? - It's like, do you see that person that went on? There was a girl that went on pointless and in the final round. - Oh, Henry Larson. - Yeah. As you said, my boyfriend's a main art fan. He said, just say Henry Larson. - And he was a pointless answer. - I feel like Terry Renables probably similar. Did you see Joe a couple of weeks ago, or maybe a few months ago, there was a photo doing the rounds in Palace WhatsApp groups and I think it was an art discord as well with the patrons and I think it'd come from Twitter of a go-teed Palace player playing a friendly around 1996 so it's in that Adidas Lombardo kit. And people were saying, who is this guy? And names like Patricio Bileo were flying around and no one could work it out. It turns out it was Tony Popovich and it doesn't really look anything like him. I guess maybe if you look at it a bit more of that context, playing a friendly or trial match for Palace in '96. And I think, well, they got hammered, I think. And I think he really struggled against some lower league striker. And then obviously he wasn't off the trial and then what is it, four years later, five years later comes to Palace from Japan. A player that just clearly was destined to play for Palace and who knows, maybe destined to manage Palace, but that link has always been there. - Yeah, an incredible servant. I really enjoyed, he was a big, obviously, a part of that, the promotion side. And he played a fair amount in the season in the Premier League as well. It's a shame for him, given what a decent defender he was, that the own goal is kind of what he's broadly remembered for in Premier League history. - You'll be pleased to know, Joe, that in my two hours of it meant they're training ground. I did not mention the own goal once. - Yeah, good then. And that's why you got two hours with him. - That's why I got two hours and not the two minutes. - Yeah, but yeah, it could take a mean, he was the sort of, one of the pioneers, the one-step penalty. I thought I'd never seen it before he'd done it. So that's always stuck in my mind. And also stuck in my mind. This is how starving we were to the younger listeners. When it came to sort of palace in video games, Tony Popovich was part of the Australian free aside team in FIFA Street. - I had no way, really. - I remember that. - I think it was literally like, it was like, Mark's watching goals, so maybe it's for us, I can't but it was Harry Kule, Tony Popovich, and then maybe one other, someone like Aviduka. - Lucas Neil was furious. - Yeah, and it's a game totally- - Kevin Husker. - It's a game totally designed on like flicks and tricks and like freestyling and show boating. - Kevin Musk was on Street Fighter, Jim. What the hell is it all about? - So yeah, me finally being able to, it was the era where computer games were first starting to be photorealistic, you know? I remember FIFA 98, Dean Gordon was white with curly brown hair. So you know, palace were in video games. It was just, you know, no face and all- - It's got the palace that we knew, yeah. - No, whereas Popovich, it was Popovich's face, granted he was, you know, FIFA Street. So he was doing, but I was doing bicycle kicks with him and stuff like that. But, you know, not quite the own goal, but in the right direction. - Yeah, no, yeah. - We're doing more shadowing of it. - Yes, absolutely, absolutely. But yeah, no, I've really, play I really enjoyed in that time. And I suppose gave his best years to Palace in his career and has done very, very well for what he's done in, you know, I guess Australian football broadly, given that you're the continental success. So yeah, we're seeing the best of luck. There's a world cup opportunity there for him, I suppose. And knowing what we're like as a club, if he does very well, he may well be on that list in a way that, you know, he might be, as Anne's found his way to Celtic, you know, it might be a pop of it, it gets to the Palace shortly. - I genuinely think that. - I'll say the exact same thing about post-cogaly. - It is the platform that he has to take. And as a proud Australian, no doubt, that was the key factor for him taking the job, but to get an opportunity to come back to Europe, as I said, he did flirt with a spell of a Greek club, but I think it was a bit of a disaster from all accounts. If he was able to do well of Australia, and let's be perfectly honest, they'll do well to not qualify for a 48-country world cup. So if they do okay, and he shines a positive light on himself, then that opportunity back in Europe may all come his way. But yeah, I think it would be all the jobs, yours, that's basically. - Yeah, good luck to Tony, good guy. - I'm just finding that photo from the trial, I'm going to pop it in the chat, and you guys can look at that in a minute. Yeah, good luck. He was in that Steve Bruce team of 2001, and then obviously later in the minute. - Steve Bruce, Steve Bruce, you bought him? - Right, it was that summer, yeah. - Yeah, on a free transfer, and he had to wait weeks and months for a visa for a work permit, and yeah, as a play, he tried to come over to Europe a few times, but couldn't get through that, even with his Croatian ancestry, and finally it worked with Panazar. Some former connection of Steve Bruce at Norwich City from his time there was working out in Japan and said, I've got this left foot, it's in half, and I think we paid a bit for him as well, but yeah. - Yeah, it was about, it was certainly six figures. - Yeah, it was quite, it was quite a spinny for him. - He was good, he was good for him. - And he, yeah, really good. - Big part of a team that a lot of fans have a lot of love for that team that came from nowhere to win promotion, and then did hang around after relegation was part of that team, and he's only regret, I remember him saying to me, he's only regret was that he said goodbye was the Watford 3-0 in the playoff, and he knew that his time at Palace was gonna end regardless of whether we went up or not, but it wasn't really the scenario for him to wave goodbye to the homestale, and that was one of his big regrets, but yeah. It's a shame it ended that way, but yeah, a good Palace career and a lot of love for Tony. - The other shame I can remember now, it's all coming back to me, you know, when Australia qualified for the 2006 World Cup, I remember thinking, oh my gosh, this is a, you know, we've got a Palace player who's gonna play, and I think they had Brazil. Basically, he put, he got injured in the first game in the first half, and then that was- - 30 minutes, yeah. - And it was towards the back end of his career, like he, that was that one tournament for the Australia team of all those players. - I guess that was that, that was that summer of losing, at home, so what was it, yeah? - Still a Palace player at that point, then I guess. - Bloody hell. - Was he the first, did that make him the first Palace player to ever play in a World Cup? - I think Great Barholter. - Great Barholter. - 2002. - Yeah. - I hope Tony Popovich's Thomas in Central Manager is slightly more fondly remembered than Greg Barholter's for the USM ed team, 'cause that was not good, but we'll move on quickly before- - That's chaotic. - American listeners, Tom, I throw in their phones away. - I've sent you guys the photo, by the way, in our little Watside group, and actually you can, you can see that it's Popovich, but it just looks a very young, young version. I think he'd be a great future podcast, so let's see if we can, probably a bit busy now. - Wow, well, fine, that is it. - How did anyone not know that was Tony Popovich? It looks just like Tony Popovich. - Padavano was the name they get trucking around for. - I guess we'll put this on our Instagram. - I guess the kit must have just thrown so many people off because it's clearly used before he's got division one kit, probably nationwide, on the bench, and wide, but people were saying Padavano, I thought Patricio Bileo, or one of the sort of random Italians, but that would have been the wrong season as well, but it is. If you sort of cover up the go to, it's obviously the ice, but yeah, I'll never find. - As I'm saying, we need to kind of wind these apples down. We just took on 25 minutes about Tony Popovich. Good times. - Let's talk, well, I'll be talking about Ishmael Asar earlier in the week. A couple of questions on him. Bloke Ocean says, "Does Saar bring the chaos?" And there are, there are chaotic vibes to him. AJ says, "G, G, I'm excited about Saar. "We're now in where AJ is from. "G, I'm excited about Saar. "Who's with me?" Which I quite, I quite like that sort of very hard vibes at the end. Are you excited about Saar, Jack? I know we covered him in the week. - Yeah, not much more to Adriene to early in the week, and I still don't know, I'd expect to see him start on Saturday though, that's the thing. It's, the system is so not ideally set up for so many of these players at the moment. I still don't know whether I'd expect to see him start. If I did expect him to start, I think it probably would be over JP through the middle. Which makes more message marks about JP. But yeah, I would like to see him rewarded with a start soon. Yeah, he does bring the chaos. And as soon as he did come on, he was stretching Martinez and delect more than they've been stretching the first half by JP. That's not a criticism of JP. I think JP's still finding his feet this season. But yeah, Saar did well. And I thought some of his into play with, and with Ebson, with Kamada, with Hughes. Yeah, I liked it. And yeah, that looks like a good 12 million. And I think when before the season started, we all said, you know, good goal return for a player of that. Bestment, five to six, seven goals a season. I think he's got it in him. And he's getting into the right positions and yeah, he's only denied a goal as I said by a wonderful save. So yeah, I'm pleased for him and looks like a good signing. Yeah, me too, Joe. I'm actually very happy with whatever he does. If he ends up starting one of the narrow tens, I'm happy. If he starts off top, I'm happy. If he comes off the bench for 45 minutes for half an hour, I'm happy. Like he's already, I think, proven himself. We know he's played in the Premier League before. Yeah, it's a difference in him and Kamada. And he's basically fulfilling the role of a lot of Watford fans told us. And we had Dave Walker talk about him in one of the pods in preseason. That is a bit chaotic, but does have the ability to make a difference in the Premier League. And I think we've seen that already. And I agree with Jack. I think there are goals to come from him. Definitely. And you know, sort of in contrast to Kamada, I think someone that's actually benefited from his versatility rather than being, well, where do you play? You know, the uncertainty is certainly not hampered. It's my lesson this season. And, you know, there's also, as we saw with Leicester, if we are really in desperate times chasing a game, you throw him a wing back as well. And suddenly, you just have this onslaught of players coming at a team who are trying to hold on to something against us. And, you know, we just about made our breakthrough. Thanks and big part to him, you know, winning that penalty. So, there are a variety of ways that he can contribute positively for us, and isn't that just a wonderful thing to say about a squad player that, you know, you know, you're not going to worry about if he's in the starting lineup and actually genuinely excited to see him brought on, which our depth has been a real issue over a long period. And sometimes that's just the way the cards fall, the club of our size and resources. So, it's been really nice, despite the results so far this season, to actually enjoy the options we have to bring on when we're trying to chase games or just finish the game with strong, fit players. And, Sarr, Sarr is a big part of that. And I've, yeah, I've no doubt that he makes a really meaningful contributions, certainly in terms of goals this season. It's a long, it's a long, old campaign. And his time is going to come. As positively as we talk about him, the praise of which we're offering is perhaps symptomatic of the, yeah, lukewarm nature of our performances, that the sheer sight of a bit of pace and playing on the shoulder is as exciting as it is because of the performances and the setup of others. So, I think he will benefit from palace playing at a quicker speed, and we'll see more of him. But at the moment, he is shining right brightly because of how tepid some of our approach players. So, when you see him on the shoulder, when you see him take a defender into an uncomfortable part of the final third, it's a bit different. And I think that is a positive, but it is also kind of, for me, shining a light on the issues that we have at hand that we've been talking about for the last few weeks. - I agree, but he is making a difference. You know, one of the pounds he gets less to a hell of a goal against Norwich in the first round of the cup as well, though. - Yeah, you know, what a strength that was. - Right off the laces, right off the laces. - Right off the laces, it's the perfect connection. It's distinctive. - Would have been off-side in the Premier League, but anyway, that's a different story. - Luke Cooper says, "Do you think we'll go far "on the League Cup or Luke? "We'll save that for another week. "Hopefully we do, but we'll see." - For all this week, isn't it? - Is that what you're waiting for? You're waiting for it? You're waiting for it? - No, no, I didn't even know if it was this week. - I think the draw's this week. - It must be, yeah. - Yeah, and then everyone in the Champions League is playing this week. - Okay. - Right. - Except Luke Castle, obviously, who can't play on that golf course. - Yeah, yeah, that was mad. Did you see the photos? - Yeah. - Yeah, absolutely crazy. - They've already agreed that so they're playing that game at St. James's Park instead, which I think everyone's a winner there. I think Wimbledon end up probably with a nicer win for them ticketing money there, too. - There's some '90s nostalgia with Steven as Barra. - Oh, yeah. - Do you remember that one? - Go on, can you name the striker that scores? - All words. - I can, yeah. - Graziano. - Oh, nearly gone. - Was it three? One, two, three? - Two, three. - No, no, Graziano. - Graziano. - Good, I am. - Such an FA Cup moment. - I am livid. I'm gonna get that. - You clearly am furious. - Very close indeed. Yeah, okay, that's why Luke's sent that question in. So if so, well timed Luke, you've caught me out on that one, but yeah, we'll talk about that more and then let's get there. - And it's been clever there. Luke, we're not recording this all in tonight. Let's just put it that way. - Busted. - Oh yeah, of course. - Hiding in plain sight. - Yeah. - Coming out, he live on Thursday morning, Lister, we're streaming this podcast to you. - Oh man, the magic is, the magic's died. Final question for David Kent. How many goals, this is about the ever-seen game, obviously, everton in 40 hours of time. - That's right. - Thank you, thank you. We do have the warm up with Robin Alex tomorrow morning for our patrons, which will take a tactical look at that game. But we're round off from this one, Joe, from David Kent. How many goals will we be ahead of everton before they come back and beat us? - It's funny, this seems to be a fixture. Certainly the away games with everton that no Palace fan has any real confidence or faith in generally speaking. I mean, Julian Chenery aside, he's pretty adamant that we're gonna get something from there. I'd like to share his confidence, not because of necessarily how we're playing, but just because of how it always seems to wind up there. So we've really saved some of our most disappointing performances and results for Goodison Park. So, you know, it is on paper the fixture that you'd be looking for to turn your season around, given where they are, given kind of, I mean, they're back four that they've been putting out. It's actually young Tarkovsky, Michael Keene. You know, if we can't, if we can't put them on the back foot a little bit, you know, we don't deserve to take anything from those, Joe. - Joe, I am afraid to say in typical Palace fashion, I believe, Jared Brownthwaak will be returning this week. - Oh, I'm about to say that, fantastic, great. Yeah, cause it's set up for a no-bride Jacob Ryan winner as well, shall we? - Yeah, well, we probably get 1.5 million pounds for that. So, that's fine. - Happy days. But yeah, they had a very long list of absentee for the last fixture, many of, yeah, but I would expect just the way our things lie. A few of those will be back, Dominic Calvert, Lou and possibly being another one of those who, you know, he finds his best form for games against us. - Yeah. - Everton and also, aside that, you know, in need of some wins anywhere and from anywhere, this news that John Techster's not now, you know, not in the, it looks like they've agreed a deal for a new ownership and John Techster has missed out in that. I know that they're some of the deeper dissections of the football finances is perhaps not to your taste, JD, but it might be enough to rouse the good of some faithful, I'd say. We haven't won there, Jack, in over 10 years. - Well, yeah, just over 10 years though, Jim. - Well. - Literally 10 years. - Oh, yeah. - That's all the difference. - Yeah, I mean, it's not a decade until it's a decade. So, okay, fair enough. - Yeah, he's 28 until he's 29. - 28, what's that, the E3-2? - The E3-2, yeah, the three, I mean, there was the two 3-2s in the same year, book ending it. - I was there, I was there that day. It was a Sunday lunch time, I think Everton were in the Europa League. My brother and I were there. That was a great day, very fun. Warnock's only a way win, I want to say, in that second spell. - September 2014, so. - Yeah, it was a good, we'd got a late draw at Newcastle. We'd got a late draw at Newcastle. - Yeah, that's right. No, it was a good Everton team. You know, Lukaku in his pom. But it was a really good win that day. But yeah, 10 years and it's, that's those 10 fixtures, isn't it? Because, you know, we've both been here, so. - And as of cut ones thrown in there as well. That, that, Neil, that defeat last year was... - That was just a stinker, wasn't it? - Yeah. - That's one of the worst FA Cup third round ties across two games imaginable, and we were on the wrong side of it. But the league performance in February, that was an important point. So, something on those lines. Look, I think it's quite realistic that we go into the next international break, and no, not every listener will want to hear this, but I think it's quite possible that we go into that next international break still looking for our first win. I think this Saturday could be very difficult for us in the sense of this news about the takeover. It's the news that every Edmontonians wanted, and I think it could be very difficult for whoever turns up a Goodison. That said, they're not particularly good on the park at the moment, and if we play well against them, then I fancy us to get something out of the game, and that could well be a win. But yeah, it's, yeah. That combined with the return of some key players for them could mean it's less than an ideal weekend to go to Goodison. And then we have Liverpool the following week, but yeah. - Well, let's head about that the better. - It is one of those grounds where the, again, 'cause the nature of the ground, we're like QPR the other week where the fans actually do play a part. And weirdly, this game, because of that game towards the end of the season a couple of years ago, where they had to win, and then they beat us, and there was a lot of needle. This fixture weirdly, I think, for Everton fans, more than for Palace fans, does have a bit of needle to it now, which is a bit weird. - I think a lot of Palace fans now hold Everton in a different flavour than they used to. - I think that that trip to Goodison in May, what, 2022? No, '21, '22? - I think I think it's true. - You know, Joerkin Anderson being, you know. - Max on the bum. - Max on the arse. - Very weird. - The invasion at the end and Patrick Vieira kicking players. Yeah, it's a purely a dynamic now for Palace fans, and there seems to be a bit of a thing and understandably after that. And I say that with Everton, you know, very close emotional bond to the club, but yeah, it's a weird one. And I, type of fixer, we really should go and win, but I do think there'll be things at play. What was the atmosphere that day, simply because they need to stay up that, that '32? I was trying. It wasn't because of the... Oh, it's a duck. No, that was the season afterwards. - No, it wasn't. - It was because they had to stay up. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Was that when it might have been different season? - Richarlison scored. - Richarlison, Calvin, Luke. - Yeah, Calvin. - And then one layer off and he threw a flare back in there. There were so many things that happened in that game. - It actually helped the safety nightmare. - But it's now sort of... Yeah, it's become the John text of Derby as well. So that's another level of sort of weird. - John text of Derby that neither club really wants to be laughed. - Exactly. But do we need him to go out on that pitch before kick off and just wave around and Everton scarf just to really just unsetle everybody and get it back on, back in our favour. Come and job, do the right thing. (laughing) - That'd be like Michael Knight in it, you know, when he tried to buy a knight for a pound or something. And then, yeah. - Wow, what a reference. - We need texture on a skateboard with an Everton bucket hat. (laughing) - If one man would, if one man would is John text that. - Yeah. - Oh man, shame we don't title you, that's a great title. - Jim, I think that's your everything preview, mate. I know you probably want us to go to another part and do it, but generally don't think we're gonna add anything to it. - Can I just say like looking through their squad? 'Cause I saw the highlights of their last game against Leicester, which is the one or draw. Their best player on the pitch then was in Jai, who looks like the sort of player that could unlock Palace. - But they do have a target. - He was definitely, yeah, he made a real play for him as well. - Yeah, there's another link, Jack, because one of their new signing Jesper Lindstrom, who's the Danish international who plays sort of right in front of three for them. Most recently played, well, played for Frankfurt and Napoli alongside. - Well played under the class of Frankfurt, didn't he? - Yeah, yeah, and alongside, in fact, in that famous win at Barcelona, I've referenced earlier in the best of all. - Oh, yeah, alongside Dashi Commander. - So it's a reunion for those two on the pitch as well. But looking through their team, they do have, and I'd actually argue they've got quite a few Barclays men in their team. I think Dwight McNeil is pure Barclays and Jack Harrison, very much Barclays. And they're the sort of players that actually aren't really top ten players, aren't fantastic, but weirdly do seem to turn on against Palace. I'd add a Calvert Luentat list as well. - And by the Corre as well, I think they'll have great- - The Corre, yeah, they do, don't they? So I think it'll be tricky, but I don't think it's a game that Palace should be, well, I know for a fact, knowing this manager, and again, referencing that Barcelona game 'cause there was a court about him in a piece recently, he goes into every game thinking, not necessarily knowing the thinking Palace can win that. And I think he would have the same, I think. - Well, he has to go into this game. - Oh, quite. - The circumstances dictate that we need to win really to kind of alleviate any concern or pressure, but yeah, Everton are one of the worst four or five teams in the league still. So we should be going to, we should be going there with the hope of winning. And we've got players that can guide us to that win. So just, yeah, it's just whether or not it happens to Saturday or not. I wouldn't be surprised if, yeah, if we don't, but I wouldn't be surprised if we did. For that insight, Lister, patreon.com/fipopopopopopopopop. - For more analytical insight, the warm up tomorrow morning with-- - Come on, Alex, help us out. - Sorry, with Alex and Rob, but yeah, thanks guys. I think that's a good place to end it. Thank you to everyone for your questions, really appreciate it, always nice answering them. And back next week with our two episodes, reviewing that game against Everton and then answering your questions as well. But until then, Jack and Joe, thank you very much. Always a pleasure to be in your company. And again, as you just said, loads more content at patreon.com. The link is below. Sign up to that if you want more palace episodes throughout the week. But that's it. Thanks for listening. Enjoy your weekend. We'll see you next week. Goodbye. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. (upbeat music) [BLANK_AUDIO]
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