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Welcome listeners to this week's FYP Pod Extra. Pod 174 Extra previewing palaces game against West Ham United. Oh, it's getting confusing numbers wise, isn't it? So this is 174 extra. So we've now got each week we're going to have our pod number and our pod number extra. Look at our filing room. Look at that exactly. People over 50 who remember what a filing room. I'm under 50, but I can imagine what a filing room would be. Everyone would file them. Oh, well done. I thought it was going to be a filing and nails joke, but obviously I've seen the show. It's awesome to fall down. Yeah, exactly. And that's the sort of writing that gets your back down. Right. Nominated. Nominated. We are sponsored by the FYP Pod, which I've got. I have to be strictly come dancing and the live sound of music yet. Well, no you're not. We are sponsored by Vector Printing for all your printing embroidery needs. Go to vector.co.uk. It's Victor with us. I'm JCIS, the Global Research and Brand Consultancy from South London. Visit JC-IS.com. I will. The international break is over and Palace are back in action. Didn't they all play well at home? They're great. What another special result. In England, 9-0 against Germany. I can't believe that Zohar played after the last minute after his series of injuries to every single player in his position. Right. Palace have laid my stand. It's a big game. But I want to talk briefly about West Ham because one of these teams that I think Palace possibly want to try and emulate. You know, aside from getting away from this horrible run. And we've talked earlier in the pardon in previous weeks about how Palace have struggled with injuries. West Ham or a team similar to us had a lot of injuries to keep players and yet they're still in a hunt for forced positions. So how have they managed to deal with it and we haven't? You asked a similar question every week and we always say we're not in charge of Premier League football teams. So we don't know if we were. West Ham, and it's hard to think out at a time when we were 5th looking at going ahead and talking on goal difference. West Ham went down to about 9th, 10th I think. Their results suffered and they kept us steady. They didn't panic. They didn't go too mad in the general window. Billitz just went when our players are back fit. We'll be fine. I think the answer to the question is that they had better players than us in the first place. Probably they've got a younger squad than us. I think recovery times for a younger squad are inevitably going to be a less really bad injury shorter. They've really acquired quite well from the championship with the likes of Antonio and... Byron Creswell. Very young but excellent footballers. The one thing I think we have stopped doing perhaps over the last couple of seasons is really acquiring at that level from championship clubs. There's some great talent down there and they've had this... They've had to pay for it though haven't they? They have had to pay for it and you do have to pay for it. Championship clubs now aren't stupid. They know that there's a lot of money swimming around the Premier League. So they're not going to go, "Oh yeah, Sam Byron, I'll have him for a million quid. Why not?" They are going to drive a good bargain out of you. But there's some very good talent there and I think West Ham have taken advantage of that pretty well. Payer has stayed fit and informed for most of the season. He did have a bit of an injury midway through. He's come back far quicker than you would have necessarily expected and been in great form in recent weeks. I think the bar of things is interesting because I don't think they expected to play him at all this season. But he had to go straight into the team because of the injury to the left back, whose name I can't remember now, the one who was going to play for England. Questwell? Questwell, yeah. But the fact, have you talked to West Ham fans, they will pretty much all of them will tell you what their first 11 is. Including the two centre backs who have been there for quite some time, reader and the one we know here. We should have checked. Ken Collins. They didn't say what we came to call it. The thing is, again, West Ham fans will pick their first 11. But they're squad is much, much deeper than ours. And if they're first to live and aren't available, they've got decent players to come in and take their place. And also the other thing you look at, and part of you, it's interesting how part of you has been talking about it recently. Especially this week, it's been talking about how big and how strong and how physically imposing our team are. And you don't really get that impression when you see this, but you look at West Ham. West Ham still look like an alidized team. They're big units, all of them, big, strong physical units. And all this talk about Plan A, Plan B, they rarely start with Andy Carroll. And Slavin Billich, who I thought Slavin Billich was a potential problem in the same way that I thought Randy Arie was a potential problem. Which shows you a well-good pundit. Well, my logic was, you have to stay in the Premier League because you've got your new stadium. So keep the alidized, you'll keep it in the Premier League. Slavin Billich, I just thought he's got no knowledge of the Premier League. I thought that was a gamble. And I was wrong. Slavin Billich is a manager that everyone talks about as being tactically astute, technically astute. But he's not averse to bring in Andy Carroll on if things are going wrong. And just bombing long balls up to him and you go, "Well, fair play to him." And what's odd, an alidized has pointed it out that if he did that, he'd be getting booed. Billich does it and everyone goes, "It's genius, but the fact is that Billich doesn't do that. That's not his first choice. It's not how he starts games. But West Ham seems to be a team that have got three or four different ways of playing. And if things aren't going really well, and what they've done is they've turned up to park into a really, really real game. And park into a really, really difficult place to go and play, which hasn't been in the past. And we've proved that. Yeah. And that's something we can learn from them. And the fact is that West Ham are, in terms of tradition and history and winning things in the past, a slightly bigger club than us. Of course they are. But they've got one World Cup to our nine. Exactly. But in terms of recent, they're not. We should be emulating West Ham. And yes, the fact is that they probably will get, they've got 10,000 more season ticket holders than we have. They're a bigger club than us. That's fair enough. But in terms of recent, we should be as, we should be able to do what they're doing. And it's interesting to see that Pardew specifically mentioned them when he talked about improving our scouting system abroad, not just in Europe, but in Africa and beyond next season. Because West Ham have done that brilliantly in the last couple of years. And initially, it's because they probably had to in terms of what we call it. But we simply won those clubs that can't find these hidden gems. We can't find a cante. Should we be able to compete with West Ham when it comes to transfers? Because I believe we were going for Crestwell when it went there. And I'd be possibly Antonio as well. So, you know, why can't we continue with them? Antonio is a player who didn't, I don't think played for an academy. Did the inside, it was played for two in Mitchell at one stage, wasn't he? Yeah, he's from Stanford. He was two in Mitchell and stuff. For us just before West Ham. I think they probably got a little bit more financial clout where if we were going for a sort of direct one-on-one race for a player. Yeah, that's why they could probably outgun us. But the thing is that, you know, there are going to be more players for us to buy, even simply the ones that West Ham are buying. And if you are looking for a club to emulate in terms of your approach in the transfer market, then you'd be hard pressed to find a club of similar, albeit probably bigger stature as Palace in the last few years who have done it as effectively. Yeah, and this season's successful West Ham is slightly new. Because you remember last season, we overtook West Ham towards the end and ended up finishing above them. They've been in the championship recently as well as we have. So, they are a club that we should be looking to emulate. And let's face it, their owners are pretty, they've got a slightly disreputable background in terms of what they've previously experienced. They get a lot of stick there, isn't they? They get a lot of stick, but they've been brilliant for West Ham. Is that a deal, don't pun? It was, wasn't it? They were a strong, physical side who can play really good football, but if the really good football doesn't work, they're more than capable of mixing it, roughing it, and knocking it on to Andy Carroll in a way that sometimes you think, "Well, we've got Andy Boyle, let's use him like that." Oh, Wickham, I mean Wickham, obviously he's injured, but you know, similar sort of moment. I don't know if Wickham's actually probably ironic, I think Wickham's probably a better player than Andy Carroll, but Andy Carroll is a bit of a throwman, but he does what he does so well, and it's so hard to defend against that. And occasionally you just go, "Well, sod it, if you've tried everything else, you've got ten minutes to go, try that." So, West Ham really, the way they do things is kind of the way I think we want to do things, do you think? I mean, they've had fewer injuries than us this season in the round, like that, you know, they have a... They do have some. They've dealt with it. They have dealt with it, but they don't think they've had as many long-standing injuries to critical players as Palace of Hat. You know, they've not had... Yeah, that's a fair point. You know, song and kyate out for like prolonged periods all at the same time for months at a time. They've had Pyat go out for a little while and then come back and grateful, but they've not had him out for sort of four months, like it seems... How long has Punch been out now, like three months? No, I don't know. No, they were as long as that. Let's say six months. I'm saying six months. They've not had anyone out for six months. But they've lost their other forward. They've lost their other forward. They've a wide player at front as well. They've lost a couple of the forwards up front. Yeah, but it seems as well. Just a great point by me. But West Ham, they've given up something we've asked for. Given opportunities to fringe players and low elite players like Antonio. Oh, yeah. And Antonio has been a revelation for them. Yeah. And the thing with West Ham managers is always under that extra pressure of they've got to play their West Ham way, the Academy way, the World Cup, well, which we never quite have. But the thing about playing youngsters and bringing players through scenario in academies, they're more less reluctant to do that than we are. And that's something that's gone out of us recently. And it's just an option that you need to explore. And it's like, you know, it goes against the grain to praise any other league club basically. You know, we have reasons for hating everybody else. But we should be doing as well as they are. And we are at that level that we should be competing. And the fact is, you know, if we, if it ends up in the West Ham Palace Cup final, they will be such strong favourites. And that shouldn't be the case. But they, yeah. Well, OK. The manager of West Ham is Bidditch. Yeah. He forgot for a second. A lot of teams in the season are doing well. Leicester, Southampton, West Ham, all foreign managers. Palace have never had a foreign manager. Yeah. Lombardo for a couple of weeks. Yeah. Should party go at some point? Do you guys think it's maybe time for Palace to get a foreign manager? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, Villa have got a foreign manager. Remi Guard didn't do any better than that. Pepai Mel, West Ham was a flop. Yeah. There's been plenty of... Isn't it interesting point though, isn't it? I'm talking about a couple of foreign managers that didn't work out for them. The one with the travel card. You know, what's his way to... Christian Groves. Christian Groves. Yeah. It's, it's... I think there's a... One day Ramos at Spurs, also a flop. Yeah, there's a... OK. They've been flocked. Yeah, they have. I think it's interesting. In the same way that, you know, Alan Dias is one of those managers who always talks about, you know, if I was called Alan Deetshow, I'd be England manager, blah, blah, blah. But I think there is a point to be made that we still are slightly enthralled to foreign managers and more so to foreign players. We're talking about West Ham looking to the championship, with other clubs looking to the championship. Very few clubs look to the championship for players. They're more likely to try and get bargains from Belgium or Holland or Germany or African players playing in Dubai or Japan or whatever. Then they are to look at clubs in the championship because there's still this kind of perception that championship players can't be transferred into the... And which is weird because Leicester City is essentially a championship club within the Premier League. And I think sometimes there is this thing, "Oh, yeah, foreign manager's always going to be better." And it's not. It's not the case because I generally think the Premier League is different to anything else in world football. It's a different animal. And Randy Airy is interesting because Randy Airy himself said he shouldn't really get the credit because he's admitted, as we said before, that before the season started he got all the players together and said, "This is what we're going to do, so we're going to play. This is what we're going to eat." And two days later Morgan and Hoof came to him and went, "No, we don't want to do that." So there is that kind of thing that you just automatically assume foreign managers are not, really, so the things I don't know enough about world or European football to go, why don't we go for the manager? It's totally interesting. We never really had one. I just don't know if it's... Well, it's an interesting point that Kevin makes that we don't know enough about world or international football. It is a bigger market. There's more potential managers out there. It's a very, very sort of, you know, facetious thing to say almost in some ways, but there are more potential managers out there in world football than there are within the British world. However, does the club currently have the right people or the right infrastructure to identify who the really great emerging managers are, who are outside the British? Probably not. You know, I saw someone on... But why have other clubs in the Premier League able to do that? Well, because, you know, even someone like Pochettino, who, when he went to Southampton, had clearly been subject to a fair amount of really quantitative, like, research and... Southampton clearly looked at it very close. And they were one of these really methodical clubs in how they go about and things. You can see that from sort of academy level down to sort of how they develop players and bring them through into the first team, how they have sort of built up this sort of succession planning with their managers. Everything about their club has that sort of methodology to it, where as pilots don't seem to really have something that seems that strategic and that planned. So, my personal worry would be that, were we to go and get a foreign manager to just be like, "Oh, yeah, let's get him." Yeah, that'll work. Sounds like a good name. Sounds like a good name. Where, if you're going to get one who does work, it needs to be really... The right guy. You know, carefully feel about the right guy. Well, we've... I mean, Carranco was favourite to get our job at one stage, wasn't it, before we went to... To borrow it. And the... You've talked to many United fans about Louis van Halle, and a lot of them will say he's a disaster, but some honest, many United fans will say, "Yeah, but he has bought some young players through..." But the other problem is, as well, is that the management structures are so different in Premier League clubs, that for the most part, managers don't have to do what Pardee wants to do, which is run the club from top to bottom. For the most part, they are... Continental managers are coaches, and they don't get involved in the transfer scenario. They've got... They've all got directors of football, and all they have to do with occasionally is a Barcelona or a room between Stroppy owners or Stroppy shareholders or... So it's a weird thing, just simply say, "Yeah, we need a foreign manager." It's not... It's not like... You can't tell... You can never... It's like, come back to the Zaplu content, Leicester, like, you know, he's brilliant for him playing, but no one knew that before they bought him. Same as Maurice, no one knew... It's a wicked make-amble, it's... Same as Billich, no one knew that he would be right for the Premier League in the same way that no one knew that McLaren would be... Well, I guess it wouldn't be right, I think, I mean, but it's like... You simply can't tell what's going to work and what isn't going to work. Okay, well, I can... I can't believe it was brilliant choice for a while, until he threw his toys out at the Premier left and came back so you don't know. Again, K.K. Flores at Watford started a season, which of us went, "Oh, well, that's... We all went, that's fantastic, we'll finish above them, because it's clearly... What's he going to do?" And he turns out to be a right fit in the right choice. He might only be for this season, so you don't... Well, the right fit and the right choice for us now is to take a quick break and in part two, we're going into... It's a brand new break. In part two, we're going to preview the game and try and make our predictions of what will happen and our predicted line-ups, so, it joins us in a bit. Welcome back listeners to the FYP podcast, Extra. We're previewing Palace Against West Ham with me, Jim Daley, Kevin Day, Atlanta Street. Nice. Okay, so, in the first half, we talked a little bit about West Ham season, but now we're going to look at the game, and first of all, chaps, my question to you is, "What's your preferred line-up for the game on Saturday? Do you add up by your, didn't have a game, not just worry, do they stay in for you, or do you change it, do you change the system, how would you go about the game?" It depends on fitness. If Wickham's fit, he should play. There are encouraging rumours that MacArthur will be back for the end of the season, possibly even for the West Ham game. Sware, the answer's just got to be no full stop, basically. I think I don't know how his confidence would have been affected by being a substitute at half-time against Leicester, or what the talk was in the dressing room, but Kelly is just a better defender. I just think Ward looks better when Kelly's playing left back, I presume. If punches fit, I would probably start with punching, I don't - Tom, as you can't second guest part of you anymore, you really can't second guest part of you anymore, West Ham have got a really good home record, but they don't score that many goals, they tend to win their games like they struggle against something, so you kind of think we should be able to go there and put on a good beat. But we've won, we've won the last two times we've been there. That doesn't matter. Very different games. Seasons. Different circumstances. But in both games we played quite solid, we were quite defensive, we played quite rigid. It's that, I mean, part of you probably won't go that way, but it is Andy that the way to beat West Ham. Yes, yes, yes. He did last season when we made them. Last season, yeah, but I'm saying now I don't know if he will. That was very well. I mean, he absolutely has to start trying to grind out results, he cannot keep on sending out Palestine to the guy, right, fullbacks, go and have a go at them and pretend that you're Danny Albers and you're the Alber, like we said, in the actual pod run, the pod extra, you know, you need to start setting your stall out in some ways to be compact, to be deep, to say we've got really great wingers who are really quite fast, let's hit teams on the break, rather than trying to play higher up the pitch, we've not got the sentiment fielders to do that, we've not got the fullbacks to do that, we've not got a centre-back who goes next to Dan, who is comfortable doing that. So just play the way that you used to play. West Ham. We played it as recently as Tottenham. Yeah. That's how we played and that's how we'd be Tottenham and, you know, I wouldn't disagree with any Tottenham fan who said they are a better team than us, we're better players, but on the day they won, because we nullified what they had to play, you know, we defended not too deep, but deep enough, we really pushed up on the space in midfield, we stopped the service to Harry Kane and that's what we have to, we're capable of doing it, but we can't do it with Suarez, we can't, you know, for me it's got to be Kelly, it's got to be down to Laney Kelly and Ward. And West Ham are going to have attacking players like Lanzini, like Pirate, like Antonio, who, if you give them space, they're going to absolutely punish you like Leicester, don't they? So let's not do that. And then, again, in midfield, obviously I don't think McArthur will go straight, even if he's available, I don't think he'll go straight back into the team and Jenna, it seems to have worked his way back into Parge's favour, but again, you don't know what combination of Gen Nedley much, he's going to play, so, but I just think it's, whoever plays, it's central to midfield players, it's telling them, they've got to stay within that 30-odd bit of pick, they're all over the place, it's like keeping kittens in the basket at the moment, they just seem to have lost that ability to patrol, just stay in front of the back four, and I don't think any, and don't punish anyone's mind how negative it is, but just stay in front of the back four when the battle was in midfield, and when we get the chance to break, and just hope that Wickham's available, but even if he's not, there are other options because everybody is just not working, I mean, this sounds funny, I thought I'd say this, but I would advocate Fraser Campbell, only because he works hard up front, and you know what you're going to get from him. I'd be happy if Adebaiil doesn't play for Palace again. It's not working, and it's, whether it's fitness, whatever reason it is, it's, it's, it's just, and in fact there's a Paju, again, it comes back to that stubbornness we've talked about with Paju, Paju wanted anybody who we're in, Paju's talked about him as a good player, Paju's going to pick him until he can't pick him basically, and the fact is, you know, West Am centre backs, I think the better the Leicester centre backs, and Adebaiil's just not, he's not the player, and of course he's a good player, he was a good player, but it's just not, it's just not the right fit, and it's just, it's like, it's, it's trying to impose, it's trying to change the rest of the team to fit into him, and it's just not, it's just not working, so let's admit that experiment hasn't worked, and yeah, no Palace fan is going to go, oh god, that's, you can't do that, you've got to play it, you know, he's been paying a lot of money, you've got to play him, try anything, but I agree with you, try and phrase the Campbell, try and gale, try and, you know, it's not ideal, but we are a psycho, try and, you know, try changing Zahar and Balassie and talk, because that's, would you start Zahar off for the second half, what a thing it's like, much, and he's given me evil there, but it's, the thing is much as we'd like, and Zahar's played really well recently, there's no doubt about that, and much as we love Balassie, but it hasn't changed anything, we're still not winning games, so again, why not think of them as impact players off the bench, why not look at other options, why not, why not second guess Westdale, you know, Westdale, I imagine Slavin' Village will, even now, will pretty much know, you know, apart from injuries that might happen in the rest of the games, Slavin' Village will know what team we'll start with, and how we're going to play, so why not throw him in a couple of curveballs, why not, why not, you know, put Balassie back at the middle, why not start with Zahar, why not give Seko a different try, why not Seko up front, I don't, it's just like, anything, something, I agree, roll the dice, okay, prediction, I think it's going to go guys, give me a score prediction, to no Westdale, I can't watch by 36,000 people, all of whom were in the blind beggar on that night, I can't see anything different, I can't see, in fact, I'll be more optimistic, I'll say one deal Westdale, but it's the trouble is, you can big this up as much as you like, the experience we've only seen this play recently, there's no reason to think that we... There was, I was listening to it football weekly, and they were saying, when the team has a long run, what are the odds that the run will end, so as each game goes by, do is it shorter rods that actually the run will finally end, or because they've been playing so badly and not winning, does it mean it's more chance that it will carry on, at what time, everyone's got wind at some point, isn't it? Well, the odds are the same, I think statisticians were telling the odds of us winning at Westdale, or is that the same as it would be, if we'd won the previous five games, to be perfectly honest, the odds, yeah, but it just, it doesn't matter what the odds are, we've seen Palace play recently, it's hard to believe that we can get something out there, but there is always that nagging thing in the back of your head that it is, Palace, and you never know, and the fact is, you know, we can back-fit, but that's just like this, it's all drifting aimlessly to a horror game. Well, so is this part, the more optimistic your answer is to be, the worse it gets. Well, I'm going to round off then this extra, by asking you to give me one bet, if you were betting them, what one bet would you bet on Palace, Westtown this weekend? Oh, I reckon, I reckon, under one and a half goals, yeah, strong, I would bet on us not, if you, well, if you want to win a big money bet, I would go Neil Neil, but I would bet on us not scoring goals, definitely, there you go, I might put money on those and see if we can make some money as the weeks go by, good chaps, there you go, that ends FOP, Port Extra, thank you very much for joining me, lads, we'll be back with you listeners after Palace against West Ham, so look out for that, that'll be Port 175. In the meantime, thank you very much for listening, keep sending your questions in and we'll see you again soon, goodbye, bye. 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Time for another FYP Podcast Extraaaaaaaa. Jim, Kevin and Andy preview Palace's trip to West Ham and wonder where that first league win of 2016 will come from?
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