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The fact is that no one is in agreement, whether it was a penalty or not, even after umpteen replays, it shouldn't have been given full stop. Whether it turns out there was a touch, he clearly was trying not to commit a foul. Ben Techie was looking for it. I don't blame him. You would have hoped that our players would do the same thing. Unfortunately, that's the way football's going but I've never seen the referee being so overruled like that and it's just, I think it's significant that the referee was still in the ground two hours after the match. All I've, I've, I've, I've met him, I was a Premier League referee and I just, you know, technically these things don't happen but we'll be getting three or four self penalty before the end of the season because you just know that the assessor would have had them both in after the game and just said why, and if we'd given that decision, why, why was the, the assistant refs, I know we always moan about assistant refs giving them help but maybe the assistant refs are there to point the flag in the way the direction the referee tells them to. Yeah. It's what they're there for. They were just way friends again and, and whether someone was offside or not. The assistant ref to overall the referee he was given a, and not only was he given the goal kick but he's admitted afterwards to Delaney that he was given a goal kick and he didn't think he was a penalty but he trusted the assistant ref. It's just, you can't give, you simply can't give a penalty in those terms. But doesn't the referee in the instance, he undermines himself already but isn't it? Is the referee's job to make his decision, the ones in there to help him? If he's made a decision that's his decision, he's the one in control. Yeah and of course he is. He's, he's right, he's right to go to the system ref but he should be saying the assistant ref. And the thing is as well, we should at least be going up and standing right next to him and having a chat before he decides to turn around once there's a barricade of Liverpool fans in front of him. You got an assistant ref. Yeah. He's basically the assistant ref is telling a shot after Liverpool. And I'll get, I'm so crumbed, I've got nothing against Liverpool. I've got nothing against Ben Techie. That makes one of us. What, but all those Liverpool fans it's really, apparently you're not allowed to question the decision that goes for Liverpool, implying that they wouldn't be shouting and crying to high heaven. It's the same thing happened to them. And the fact is, I don't think the assistant ref will have given it up the other end, simple as that. He's in front of the Liverpool fans. He wants to make himself a bit of attention. He's been taken off the Premier League list this week, which indicates that they think he's made a mistake. It's just, all the circumstances are wrong to make that decision. Neither of them could be sure in this case. How come the line is the decision? He's from where he is. The ref actually got a good position. Surely he would have seen a much clearer what he thought would happen. The referee knew what he thought. How can the line have seen that? The referee should be saying unless you're really, really, really certain, I can't give this. Obviously the ref sound really, really, really, certainly by the way, you're beautiful. But it's just, I wouldn't mind because normally he'd be saying, "Well, Delaney shouldn't make the challenge." But he tried not to make the challenge. He tried not to go ground. He was deliberately not. Well, let me say, I mean, oh, I guess he's also in the replay, the slow motion replay. I mean, there is minimal contact. It's still not clear to me. Well, to me it looks like Ben Teke's been running, looked at Delaney, right, he's coming in for a challenge. Let me start throwing myself down. Delaney pulls out of it. And he's already going down anywhere. That little flick of the foot, if he was still running, he's six foot three. And he's a beast of a centre forward on the biggest in the Premier League. No way would he fall down off that if he was still on his two feet and had to his momentum. He's already made his legs limp and tried to fall over. Therefore that big, well, it's just the tiniest graze of the foot, and he's falling straight to ground. And like Delaney said to the referee, the physicality of that match in general, that wasn't enough to warrant. Some of the tackles that were going in, there was a couple of, there was one from Flanagan against Balassie in the first half, I think I remember. Sacco went in for a two-foot challenge in the second half and second half where we've got taken out by the corner flag and they got a free kick given against him. It was so many bad challenges being put in during that match. Most of my Liverpool players, some of us retaliated, but that was not a penalty. And the last minute of the game, it's just, I don't think it's a penalty, I think it should have been awarded. Yeah, in fact it's the last minute, it should have been neither here nor there, but in terms of game management, unless you're really sure, let's just give it a goal kick. One guy's way over the point, no one's unhappy. Flanagan's going to hurt someone, he's a thug. Oh yeah. He's sitting out to hurt people, Flanagan, without a doubt, in the same way. In mitigation that must be difficult for him to see with the eyes so close together. I agree. So you've probably missed time and stuff just on account of that. The whole year, the year weight thing as well. Yeah, sure. But yeah, but we were getting physical insurance, let's not kid ourselves, we're not a physical team, we can be a physical team. But it's just so frustrating, you just can't, you just can't make that decision on those grounds or not like that, but you can't make it and then I'll make it. And all I can say is that I genuinely hope that we've got to get a couple of soft decisions because it's just getting ludicrous now. If that challenge happened in the first 10 minutes of the game would depend what you've been given? No. Exactly. Well if it had happened anywhere else on the beat, it'd have been given. Yeah, but it would have been even. Exactly. Well, possibly it would have been more likely to be given. That's what I think it would have done. The sad fact to modern football is that if Ben Techie hadn't have gone down, his manager and the rest of the team would say, "What do you do?" Yeah. But you go down. That's what Ford's expected to do and let's not kid ourselves at Eddie by all wouldn't do the same thing or Wickham or Wilf, because a lot of teams would have had the same conversation that was at heart when penalties have been given against that four minutes. But it's just consistency, isn't it? Because we had the West Brom a few weeks ago to what I would call Stonewall, certainly the one on Dan, but the one on Blast as well, two very clear penalties and I guess it's just the same thing we come back to the weekend week out. I just want consistency from officials and- Well it's not an example of not that. The difficulty is that you want consistency, but people always want common sense as well. And the fact is there are two opposite things. You can't have consistency and common sense, because it's the opposite. Common sense is not being consistent. Common sense is doing something against consistency and even in the top of the master game, Michael Oliver, I thought had a brilliant game, a really good game, because basically he let both sides get on with it, but even he didn't, but he should have died, should have gone off for a second, the second year. So again, all you're talking about is the one mistake he makes in out of 90 minutes of football. It wasn't one mistake. It's the referee and every team says this, but the referee has been so erratic for us. And again, but you can argue that our second goal, something you can argue that has allodized it, that Dan was found and sent about. I think this season in particular I think officiating has been poor in the Premier League, all over the place, not just for us. I think it's been a real mixed season. I don't like to agree because it's been people, the door is open for people who want video replays in which I think will kill football, but if referees keep doing that, it's basically harder to argue for. But it wasn't just the referee, aren't they? The lines in the first half were sort of down by the homestale and the mainstand. There was an offside, wasn't there, the he-mist that was about four yards off, and we could see from behind the goal, let a line from there in line with him, so it's not just referees, they have a fish line from there to help them, and as we saw on Sunday, not just without the penalty as well, they're not getting the right or the correct help as well from that, but it's across the board, isn't it? Well, I don't think we should be doing this again, the petition up. No, yeah, so that's the way for the honest, because my German Gallagher petition didn't work all those years ago, so that's slightly embarrassing that petition, and I hope it was done in the spirit of fun, but I'm sure it was. These things do, well, when they do even themselves out, we'll win the Champions League next year on penalties, but we'll get a bit of a lot, we'll get a bit of a lot we haven't been getting, we're in an astonishing period of, it's like the lady said today, we can get an engine at the end of two goals against Sandlin, it's just all sorts of little things, we're in an astonishing period of bad luck, and it all... Well, it's twelve games now, isn't it, without winning the league, did we do enough on Sunday to get a point, or a win regardless of the, I remember him talking... Well, it's basically Alan Pardier in a match, wasn't it? We're over-performed against the team, probably better than us for a good part of it, then completely collapsed and lost all confidence, despite looking completely bullish earlier on. You were going to pick one man's turn. One man's turn. We then lose confidence. In the best position you could possibly be in. One of the things... I think first of all, I mean, one of the reasons I generally don't think we're going down is because we're not playing badly in the recent weeks, but what's happening again is what we talked about last week, is that, you know, the midfield, or our gender lack ever much better game, considering we were all retiring in last year, didn't it? Played well, we're scoring goals again, but it just seems that we can't get all three elements or four including the goalkeeper right at the same time when that happens. We will be fine. You'll have to look at, and I live poor underachieve, just look at their bench, look at the players they've got. That's a really top quality side, and for the first hour we were a better team than them. And then... I think Scott mentioned it's the best bench he's ever had. It's an amazing bench, and he had a good manager, the team on the up, looking at win the Euro per cup, looking at the finish in the top four. So that performance was really good, but then you can't legislate for a goalkeeper who shouldn't have been playing doing that, and it's just, I don't, you know, the people who want Paju sat, I think they're wrong, and I think Paju will stay on manager, hopefully, and will be our manager in the Premier League next year, but that decision was misdefined, because Julie's been on the bench for the last however many games. Why would you do that to him? He came across to me as almost opposite in a seat. He's almost asking Wenger's type, obviously, but if McCarthy had been on the bench, fair enough, he'd go, all right, he doesn't fancy Julie, and he thinks she's too small, but for Julie to be on the bench, and therefore good he'd have to come on, and then not to be on the bench, it's just... To bring a goalkeeper back, he was dropped because he was confident he was gone because of me, he's making mistakes, and it's just... I thought it was overly harsh as well on McCarthy to put him in the firing line, when he's had such a turbulent and a thorough time to start with at Palace, and then you put him into such a pressure cooker situation, the mistake isn't his fault, he slipped out, that can happen to anybody. No, it's his fault, we didn't do it deliberately. But yeah, quite. But I mean, you do wonder what's now going to happen with him psychologically, I mean, he looks like the lion from the Wizard of Oz at the best of times in terms of his confidence and mental disposition, and you do wonder what that particular mistake's going to do to him, particularly if Pargi now takes the decision to drop him for the Reading Cup game. But that's what turned the atmosphere though, because it had been straight away, if it had been Julian in gold, people would have gone, our legends made a mistake, but Julian would have started lifting everybody up, we would have got beyond him, but it was just like everyone was just so stupefied by what he'd done, and I think there's an element of sympathy for him as well, because I say it wasn't deliberate, but it's just like, that was, it kind of... And once again, it was like the Ball North game, he just knew the next goal was going to be for them, but to be, if we'd got a draw at that game, we'd be really upbeat now, we'd be saying that's a really good point against the Reading team, so I don't think we should beat ourselves up too much, but, and I presume, I can only presume Julian, if he didn't put Julian in the Under-21s last night to get some game time for the FA Cup, then he really is vindictive, if he'd just put him in the Under-21s, then that's an act of malice, basically, if he's done it, it's rubbing it in, so I'm hoping that, we're not clutching the straws yet, but I'm hoping that Julian will start an FA Cup game, and I think every ballast fan is. But I think the back four will be as well, because the back four will expect to have been known for long to do, and that's back to the streets point, isn't it, a pressure game like that against a difficult team, you want an experienced keeper who's played with that back four, and they, and Joel's had that. The thing is, as well, we shouldn't just put it down to one goal, or should one slightly dodgy penalty, but the performance after James Milner, who is Liverpool's engine room, was sent off, was taxically horrible, and in terms of effort and work rate, it was just pretty disgusting, frankly, and to see, you know, Sako and Gail brought on, and basically seeding the entire middle of the park to Liverpool for the last 20 minutes, and to see the sort of manner which we approached the game after that sending off, I think we only got ourselves to blame to a certain extent, because we invited them on, and there was no need to do so, we could have quite easily played them on the break the way we'd been doing for the 60 minutes up to that point, let them try and play in the manner that they've been playing, but to shift it around in the manner that he did, and try and put blasphemy up front for a little while, and just to keep on making these tweaks that didn't really need to be made, it's probably yet again another example of demonstration and apology, not really knowing how to change things in game, or not being willing to, but you could see the logic, in a way, in that he was expecting them, even with ten men, he was expecting them to come forward looking for the uprising in the second goal, and to leave space at the back, and we know how fast Gail is. And they did make a subnet that took off for Flanagan I think, for a bit, when they went out, he brought a tutorial, but he said himself he'd brought a tutorial to keep the point, and Klopp said he would have been happy to point, but I understood the logic of Gail, but the two changes were just, and I don't know why he needed to make them, because the mid-fill we're doing all right for the... Well in the Sunderland game, Sacco looked immobile, and stuff started flooding down that side, and funnily enough he comes on against Liverpool, and what does he look like immobile, and stuff starts flooding down that side, the guy, whether it's because he's not good enough or because he's not fit enough, and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say it's because he's not fit enough, he, again, looked like effectively a lost man out there, and you're kind of, yet again, seeing instances where Paju's tried to make changes like for like, you know, take off, and put on a man, and not really know what he's aiming at, and it just seemed like a bizarre set of subs to make, but much one I can understand, you know, could buy it, was carrying a knot clearly, he needs to put on someone who's going to inject some mobility in pace in the middle, much has a fair amount of sort of physicality to him is technical, mobility is bad, and he's playing well, very well, I was surprised he didn't start, so I mean, every time I think back to the Sacco and Gell, double stop, I start getting cross, yeah, but I mean, I think the second, I mean, Sacco, Sacco is a championship player, basically, but there again, so it's been like a phobia, and you take your chance and you don't know whether you're going to score guys, but the thing is, the huge difference in the championship in the Premier League is not just in making and taking the chances, it's in the all round game, you've got to do so much more as a player in the Premier League, in the championship, you can afford to carry a couple of people who are just strikers pretty much, who can leave one up front, you can say to them don't track that, you can't do that in the Premier League, they've all got to be, so to bring a player who's clearly not fit to ask him to do that role in a certain sense, it just did seem odd, but it's also to do with confidence as well, if we'd won the last three games, it would have been a different outcome, it's just suddenly we see the 20 minutes to go, we can see the first win coming, it's a good time to play Liverpool, and it's just, it's like Delaney said, it seems like McAfee does that, and you can see them all the way after, Jesus, what do we have to do? I think that's one of the one thing where, you know, it's quite right to say, Paris fans have to be a little bit careful because there's this whole sort of attribution bias thing going on the night where you try to blame everything on one factor, so it's all Pargy's fault, or it's all the refs fault, or it's all back of each other's fault, or it's all the fault of Wayne Hennessy's cinder block feet, or it's all the fault of Alex McCarthy not being able to put his studs in properly, where the truth is, every area where things can make a marginal gain at the moment, whether it's referee decisions, or you manage to get in the tactics right, or those little bits of luck running for you, or the opposition having an off day, none of them are running for panic at the moment, it seems to be this sort of perfect storm of shit, unfortunately. The Trevor's fault, no, the main thing is confidence, completely in my opinion, completely in my opinion, Sacco and Gell coming on at the beginning of the season when we were sky high over 50th of the Premier League, bringing them on, they did inject things, Sacco scored a good goal against Villa, was it at home, he pulled one back and gave Ward the header against Chelsea, he came on, did his job, nowadays it's not happening, the problem I have is that the only way you get confidence as a team is by picking up points in the league and then getting to that 36 or 37 point mark, which is probably what's going to be needed this season to stay in the league, and then the team will just gradually get confidence that we're going to be there next season, we're all right. The problem is, Pardu seems unable to settle for a draw and always wants to win games and the confidence isn't high enough, so when you're playing against 10 men, you're winning one nil, you're against a team who know that you're their bogey team anyway, and they're just generally, well, maybe not nervous, but are just thinking, oh, this is going to be a hard one anyway, we can't be punished, and I haven't done the last four games or whatever, it's just baffled me why two attacking players who aren't fit come on the field, I even said to you earlier, I would have been more happy seeing Martin Kelly come on and playing five at the back and just holding on for the last 20 or minutes, it was so important to get just to get one point, then you push on, you can't push on by, that's going to knock our confidence again, the mistake, the penalty, the decision, it just knocks the confidence back even further, and then you look at the next load of games, you think we're, we're then you start running out again, it's not, it's not like we're not used to seeing Palace do that, the whole season we're pureless when we, that's how we won games, and we, yeah, exactly, we, we became quite proud of it, you ground something out, you got a point, we became proud of our defensive, defensive work, and how we didn't want to things, if we'd have scored that, if we had pureless as our manager, that game would have been nil-nil until about 7 to 5th minute, and attacking player would have come on, someone like Gail, they would have been two strikers up front, Murray would have chased it down someone, and it would have been a goal, and the whole place would have erupted, and then we would have held on, you've been thinking about this for too much, and we've got the top half to it, at a round of postures, it's the whole, but we are still trying to win every game, and it's bugging me at the moment, don't play for wins all the time, if it's not working. Part, I mean, Pardu did warn us out of his style, and this, you know, in the end probably a draw, a win is what, you know, probably only one, two wins that we need, but I think he's probably too late to, to revert to that sort of defensive form now, I think, I don't know. Oh, that style is what I mean. It does come back again to the transfer window, which we've talked about over and over again, and you could argue it hasn't done Norwich that much, transfer window, it hasn't done some of the net much good, but just in terms of what's on the bench, in terms of taking the pressure, and somebody said there's a really interesting point I had somebody make on radio last week about Paris, just in terms of taking the pressure off the bigger players at Paris, you just bring a couple of players in and they can look round and go, all right, they're taking the seriously, there's a couple, there's a bit more on the bench, it's a couple of more players to keep on that, and we, for whatever reason, we didn't do that. I guess I'll pray you're thinking about that about your, maybe, but that's not, one was another, that's not, he was never going to score those magical 10 goals for us, and it's just, as I say, you can argue it two ways, because Paris would probably say why spend money and wages on players that we might not need again, but we've been reliant on three or four people having a good game, and we just can't get that, or every path, you know, bits are working every now and again, and we're not looking bad, that's the thing, we're not about the basket case like Villa or Newcastle, and there are points to be one, and the fact is five, five of the last six seasons, thirty-six points will keep you up, and I think thirty-six, thirty-seven will, will keep us up, and I personally though Newcastle and Villa have got more points next time in 2016, even though they are way more basket cases, I know, but if you want to be the last two seasons, our last 10 games have brought us 18 points, and I know the momentum was different, but it's impossible to believe that we won't get some more points, because if we go four more games of that win, we'll set the manager. Do you think so? He can't not, he can't not, he can not, and he possibly won't, but I think you, I think, there's the financial implications of leaving the Premier League this season are immense. Season ticket sales are grand to a hall, I don't think us going down and party being given the chance to take us up again, albeit, I'm also a hypocrite because I'll always argue for continuity, but I depend on what those games, I mean if it's four, half-ought drawers that takes us to thirty-seven points. I know, if we stay up, I don't think, I don't think the parish wants to have that decision to make, but you will do, if we lose the next four games, I don't think we will, because the spirit is there, you can still see the spirit is there. I think I have to get on Sunday, but we somehow managed to stay up without winning another game in the League in 2016. It's possible, it's possible, because Norwich has won one in eight, Newcastle won two in nine, Sunderland won one in eight, and now you're asking them to win four in eight effectively. The bottom four are terrible, so let's do it last year, but it's on the usual, the rest of the back, I looked earlier, the rest of the bottom four last, anyone three in the last game, Newcastle, Sunderland, Norwich, you've all got to play each other, please go, Newcastle don't sack McLaren. There's rumours of it on there. I've got a feeling they might not, because what is on the board for a start, and actually seems enthralled to this adviser who likes McLaren. We've got Newcastle and Norwich to play, it's just, you know, actually I think once we get that first win, I think we'll find, but I simply can't see us not getting some more points. I think that's just, I don't know, I don't either, but there's no point denying the fact that we shouldn't be having these conversations. We're in a relegation fight now, no question. We're on the fringes of it. The fact is, everyone's saying it's slightly odd, because everyone's saying, like, match the day of the weekend, everyone's congratulating Swansea on being safe. Norwich's manager said that's it, we can't catch them. And yet we seem to believe that they will be able to catch us somewhere. Well that's Swansea on. Swansea would be last on goal difference, he's got the same points. We're only two points behind Bournemouth. I think it's myself in the form though, isn't it? It's because we've dropped so quickly. The form, yeah, but the performances are much better now, I think, than they were earlier on in that bad one. We played really well against Tottenham, and we were unlucky to lose that, but there were some shocking performances. And I think the first half in West Brom, we sort of bottomed out, and I think since then, we've shown decent signs. And again, you have to look at the encouraging parts of the Liverpool game, and we are scoring again. And we have been, we can be out again with just really, really unlucky, as I say, deflections referee. And these things will turn around, and it's impossible to measure when we get something out of Norwich, Newcastle. Well if we don't, then we deserve to be in Liverpool. Absolutely, yeah. I mean, I do think, I've been just to see what, now list this thing, but I can't see Paris letting us drift into the championship with Paju's manager. I just can't see him. I think, because the atmosphere is going to be poisonous. Paju's career's been a history of going on these runs, and then people are eventually going, he's going to get sacked any minute, he's going to get sacked any minute. And then all of a sudden, he goes on a six match, winning round. Well, who's got he does? It's sort of a characteristic of his entire career. I'd be surprised, given the amount we paid for him to come in, the amount he's on a year, and the amount we'd have to pay to get rid of him, if we were to take such a big decision, unless he's completely lost the confidence about dressing room. And I don't know that not being privy to the dressing room, because it doesn't look like he has. But, yeah, we've got two American billionaires in the background who will illegally stump up the money to get rid of him if he keeps us in the Premier League. So I don't think that's an issue. I just don't think Parrish, I think Parrish, for all that, is a really nice bloke. And he's full of ball on me, and Charm, he's desperate for that Premier League money next year. Equally, we've got to look at it. I'm not saying what is to happen now, but we're nine points ahead of the rally. It's the same with Gold difference, but the bottom four, I just think that they've running our games. They've now got nine games to make up, nine points, and a significant gold difference. It's just not going to happen. And Norwich, you've got... Oh, famous last one. I've got this right. I was there for the lapis on the one we've been doing. Oh, would you like to be reminded about Bloody Older? Norwich. Norwich has got a really difficult run-in as well, and Newcastle. I mean, the McLaren thing is really interesting, because I can't see. Why would Mois want to come in now? Why would any of the top managers want to come in now, when they could easily still be in the championship? And when I thought Alan Shearer was really interesting on Saturday night, because he was very honest about the problems at Newcastle, and one of them is the management structure, and you've got... Basically, you've got the chief scout who's in charge of team selection, it seems, and team recruitment, and the manager's a member of the board. So it's a really old town. So why would Benite, as Brendan Rodgers, Nigel Pearson, maybe, but you can't see any of the top managers wanting to come in there. I'm a character that activates us now. And also, however much you think Parge will cost to get rid of, McLaren will cost you an awful lot more than Ashley's money driven. And also, Ashley's quite a bloody mind, and I don't think Ashley will probably take a pump. He'll get as many season ticket sales in the championship as he has done in the Premier League, so please don't take him. It's a big ask for... Well, basically, two of those three teams have got to put together a Leicester style run, and I can't see it happen. There's always one team, isn't it, and they've done it, but that's been two or three. Two of them to do it, and especially, as I said, they've got each other to play, and we've got Norwich in Newcastle to play as well. But again, we shouldn't be having this conversation, we should be talking about six... With this is the point of the season where we should be saying, let's not be disappointed that we're ninth, basically. Well, it's only two months ago, we were talking about Europe, but if I still got three more points for me, I had this time last year. Yes. And six more points for me had two seasons of that. We have, and people keep saying that, but it's just... I think it's the disappointment of the fact of how good we were at the start of the season, it basically feels like we're just almost throwing everything away, and we haven't, because if we stay up, then you've not thrown anything away. But it's just disappointing, considering how good we were, isn't it, start of the season. Yeah, we shouldn't be talking about staying up. Nice, there's the thing. Can I then talk about something else which is... Palace have now let in the most number of goals joined in the last 10 minutes of games, 11 goals, and conceded 10 points as a result, which is the most again. Fairly alarming stack. We've got any reason, Street as to why that may be, is it what Travis leads to the conference earlier, or is there something more to it? Well, I think conference, but a slightly different term for everyone, which I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, and that's resilience. Yeah, the conference is at times low, but it's the confidence when things are starting to go against you a little bit, that is the really quite alarming thing at the moment. And it's that lack of self-belief that when you've got your backstalls, you're not going to be able to come out of it with a good outcome, and you can see at the moment it's going to probably take some form of an unlikely, quite lucky, late outcome, some sort, for those players to start believing. And I don't think quite why it's happened. I don't know whether it's because Pargy's teams do tend to be of the feast and famine variety, and because of that, you know, they're down on the lower was a little bit of the moment. But I think you'd be struggling to point out much else. I mean, in a lot of the matches where we conceded late on, they've been arguably tactical errors or strange substitutions, like in the Sunday game, when it brings on Sacco and exposes the left hand side, and liking the Liverpool matchway brings on the gun and Sacco doubles up. And errors? Some of the home and error from Dan and Hennessy. Yeah. Man City at home and error from McCarthy, so you can't really legislate for those out of the game. But also the other thing as well, it's partly to do with the way Pargy plays. If you look at the away game at Stoke, when Lee scored that brilliant goal, 89th minute, yeah, it's purely supposed to still have manager, we would have drawn that game on all because we wouldn't have been up looking for that goal. It's to do with the fact that Pargy was still looking to win games instead of draw them, and we're going forward when perhaps we should be settling, as Andy Street said earlier, set off at the point you've got rather than look for the winner that might then leave you open at the back. But again, it's confidence. It's the fact that Sacco isn't a natural, sorry, Suarez is not a natural defender in the same way that we've had before, that his instinct is to go forward rather than to sit deep. It's lack of confidence in the goalkeeper, it's all sorts of things. Is it a fitness thing? I don't think it's fitness, I generally don't think it's... Well, it's a fitness of the players that have just been injured and haven't been in fitness generally, isn't the problem. I don't think... I've never finished the game, has he? He gets booted off the pitch for most of the air boats to be first. I don't think it's... I don't think it's... I don't think he's taken goodbye off that thing that was brought up a couple of weeks ago, is he undroppable? I think just bringing him off that's the sign of... Because I don't think he hasn't taken, he's the 10 million pound man in this team, and I think he's the one that should be thinking I want to go to France, I need to prove that I'm this guy that's going to get involved and put my foot in and make the right decisions and take the game by the scruff and neck and set the pace, organise everything, maybe he's not the type of player, but from what I've heard, in training and things like he is. So I think he needs to take some of the blame as well. I don't know if he's... We're taking him off, I think that's possibly something about it, because he doesn't seem to put in the effort defensively that he was at the beginning of the season. I do wonder whether he's been told he's not going to France. You look like he's given up. I think something's happened in the last couple of weeks. He can't be tired, he's not that old. He was better. He was better, something. He was better, wasn't he? He was, and Zeddnack was better as well. Zeddnack was, yeah. And considering, as I said, we were retiring Zeddnack this time of the last week, but it's just, again, we can't get them all having a good game at the same time. I think it should be pointed out, so I think part of you did get that line-up of formation at the start of the game. Right, that was right. I think could buy Ledley and... Sorry, could buy Ledley and Zeddnack. I think it worked. Yeah, it didn't. I think everybody's heart sank a little bit when we saw Zeddnack starting, not much. But it worked. Well, I don't think... I think Streety is more keen on this idea than the rest of us, but it's not necessarily a starting line-up, but it's a problem. It's what happens when that doesn't work. It's the problem. It's what happens when we're one-nil down again is the problem, because despite, yeah, it looks like we've got a decent variety of players on the bench, but whatever happens, we can't change things up for the... When we go down, we can't seem to bring on subs that can defend it. When we go, it can get it back rather than we can't seem to defend a lead when we build it. There's just a naivety at the moment, and I don't know quite whether the naivety springs from, but I mean, stuff like Daymo diving in late on Vintakay was naive on an individual basis, but we're also naive sort of tactically in how we approach games and naive in how we try to see out games. Someone made the good point, like I remember it was, so I'm going to plagiarise them completely shamelessly. The party when his team's winning gets slightly over-excited about their potential, and then when his team starts losing and gets slightly over-emotional and sort of torn about sort of the cause of it and how to get his team out of that rut, and maybe that's a similar naivety in reacting only to the results as they can't rather than taking what there is to be taken from the performances. I think funny enough, Travis mentioned the name earlier on, and the more I think about the more I think I may have been wrong about, Murray, not just for the goals going necessarily, but just for in that last ten minutes when you need somebody to hold on, but the amount of free kicks he bought on the purists in the last ten minutes that didn't always lead to goals, but it just buys you a minute of time just by holding the ball up, takes the pace off the game, puts his arse in the defender, gets lost. Murray can do that at times, doesn't he, but he seems to run out of steam before that last ten minutes. Yeah, the Wickham's more sort of mobile, the Wickham's not a sort of orthodox. Murray's a much more old-fashioned player than Wickham in terms of, yeah, Wickham would probably score more goals in the Premier League eventually than Murray would ever have done, but Murray's just got that canning-ness up, and we'll get you fails at it, and I think we'll come the referee, we'll put a dig in, we'll waste a bit of time, and we just haven't sort of got that. And when you were soft penalty? Yeah, yeah, but all of the above, so it's all game management, we seem to be lacking that a little bit, which is why I argued last week that, for all that we talked about, judging that, losing the bit, he has got that little bit of now, so that little bit of, I think he shared that on something, yeah, it will come together, but the bigger picture is then what happens in the close season, because something's got to, well, we will come onto that, and it is all going to come together for us on the part, because we're going to end part one right there, and in part two we've got questions from our listeners, so join us in a bit. Yes, listeners, this is the five-year-plant podcast! Quad 172, sponsored by Vector Printing for all your printing embroidery needs, go to vector.co.uk and as vector weather, and JCIS, the global research and brand consultancy from south London, visit JC-IS.com, I will, good, I love how that's become their thing. Question time, we've got so many questions this week, so I apologise already, I'm not going to be able to read them all out, but I've hand-picked, as I did last week, a couple of gems, and this first one... There's just been you open the first few you found, and I just decided you'd read them out. No, I've genuinely gone through and picked them, but some very good questions this week, and the first one is from Matt Deveau. Hi, Matt. Deveau. Deveau. Deveau. Deveau. Deveau. Deveau. Deveau. Deveau. Deveau. Deveau. Deveau. Deveau. He treats some very good questions. He does. Deveau. Well, he tweeted and faced with this one, so, but it is a good question, and that is, do we give teams an advantage by having their fans behind the lino where they can pressure him as seen on Sunday? Do you know what? I've never thought of that, but possibly, yeah, maybe. That might be a good point. I do think he wouldn't have given that if that had been up the other end, possibly, but I'm not implying that he's changing that. We never had that when the way fans were down the other end, weren't they, of the stand, the Arthur Waite? I suppose the logic of that would be that we would get a lot more decisions when he's really off the way. But it's the way ends, sort of, more vociferous, isn't it, more cut out, more, a bit louder, especially under the Arthur Waite room? And things have gone down, however, since we've moved the way fans to that. We've gone up, we've stayed up twice, and we've consolidated it as a criminal, so, I mean, if you look at the correlation between that... Well, it seems that if you talk to, if you talk to match officials, apparently, they have all these techniques and devices that they're supposed to use to not... It plugs. Well, yeah, they're talking to each other all the time, like, about what was on East Enders. But they're professional... Really? Well, none of referees are, they're not the assistant refs, they're professional properly yet, but they are... You like to think... They're supposed to be the best at that, you know, they... Apparently, they have all these techniques for blocking out the noise and what about. I think it's only human nature that you're going to be... You're going to get overexcited, you're going to get a moment in your life where you think, "Oh, I'm going to wave that flag now, just see what happens." And I've spoken to referees who've said that every now and again, just out of sheer deviment, they'll give a fail at Old Trafford when they know it's not a fail, just to see what happens. We do know that the only referee knows grandpa. No, no, no, no, it's something we do know every time. It's because I did a couple of Chris Foy, Rob Stiles. Okay, so we pick them up. They're all corrupt refs now. They're all... They think they're not corrupt, they're all... They all think... Subsensible. No, they've all got massive egos. Okay. They're like... If you watch the referee turn up at a game and the assistant refs, they're all like little ducklings behind them and their word is... I do think that's the case now, still the case now. Oh, absolutely. The referees in football are very... In their own circle, are very powerful. They're fully aware of the influence they have on the game and I don't think for a moment any of them use that influence wrongly. I don't think any of them are biased. They're wrong, but I think it would be... It's only human that you do get over it, so I don't think... Especially if you got comments behind you or shouting and asking for a decision. Because in that situation... But then again, unless you're absolutely sure, I think sometimes the referee must know sometimes that he's made. If somebody 25,000 people are calling him a dick, he must think, "I might not have got that right." Yeah, exactly. And sometimes he hasn't. But the fact is if you look at the stats, you look at the statistics they give about the correctness of decisions. Yeah, because most of them are very obviously easy ones to make. Not always, and let's be fair to them. Players do make it really difficult. I don't know what it's like when Travis was playing, but I suppose Travis is the appearance of really difficult. But I mean, the players... Well, it's the Sunday league, but it's the third Palace. It was all right. Sunday league down in some places, there was a lot of abuse from more than a year on a Saturday afternoon of Palace sometimes. And there are kids. I don't think it's the fans. That's one of the superstitious question, isn't it? Yeah, probably. But also I think... I think there was the question about... I can't believe we said it Sunday evening, this idea that ex-players becoming refs. Because an ex-player probably wouldn't have given that decision. But... But you mean the ex-players would be a bit more biased around decisions, though? Well, that's a good point. I mean, they wouldn't be. Well, the fact is that no club's... The referee's not allowed to refer to clubs that they support. It's like Grandpa was a QPR fan, so he was never allowed to refer to QPR games at all. Well, a lot of you sort of at the top of the pod. We've people now, two days later, are still debating online whether it was or wasn't a penalty. Lin and Gary Enneke were tweeting, saying it was. People were tweeting him back. Andy Goldstein had a big big Barney on Twitter. People still couldn't decide. That's a lot of laws of the game around. Ridiculous. Ridiculously so. There's no sort of clarification on what sort of constitutes a foul. I mean, it's a trip, an attempted trip, or a lunch or something like that. And what's an attempted trip? An attempted trip? If I put my leg out and it's nowhere near you, but I'm mainly tempted. Because I wasn't allowed an attempted trip, because the attempted not to trip. I mean, if you do two footed lunge and you miss a player, you're going to get sent off. But the saccade of Doug, it's bless you on the weekend. And we've done it. And the fact is, over the season, we've probably got away with things as well. And the players are part of the problem because the players, they will get. Linneke will tell you that as soon as you've got any penalty box, he leaves it. He goes round to keeper, he'll leave his leg trailing, and if the keeper touches it, that season is full. And we would expect our players to do the same thing. And I don't blame Ben Techie because they've all been brought up to do that. And they will get bollocks in the dressing room by their managers and the other players if they don't. If they don't do that. So they call it buying it, we call it diving, they call it buying a penalty. And the fact that this is why one of the reasons I hate the idea of technology, because even after all that, what do you decide to do? And it's one that is, I started that petition. But also, I think it's great, only as the Premier would actually go to this time. But that's really my point, the petition. Right, the next question is for... That's a good question for me. It was a good question. But did you come to Yes or No in the end? Yes, I didn't know. Well, you guys were suggesting No, the fans don't. The next question is from UpcarBaradia. Hi Upcar. He says, "Was Parge used weird meltdown on Skye after the game, a deliberate attempt to fire the players up for a must not lose game on Friday, in response to critics suggesting he's taking our poor on lying down, or has he actually lost it?" I thought... I thought after West Brommy looked shell-shot, I thought after Sunderland he looked ecstatic, and both reactions were probably wrong. To his credit, Jeff Shrieves, who calls the meltdown, is the most irritating little twat. You could ever meet, frankly, and a meltdown is the only correct behaviour in front of him. So it's got a head that looks quite a lot like a potato. Yeah. Which I don't like in a... Well, I don't like it. I was one's referred to in the sun as a potato-headed non-entity, so I don't know. You've made it when that happens. It's a bit irrelevant to people. But Jeff Shrieves would have been sent out by his editors saying, "Wide him up, get a response." Yeah. Yeah, more or less poking in the chest. And the fact is, I've always argued that managers players shouldn't talk to the press until 20, 20, 30 minutes after the game. It's part of their focus and got away with it for some reason, but it's part of their contract that they have to be made available to the TV cameras first, and then the written press and then the radio journalist. So they've normally calmed down a bit by the time they get the written press. But in those circumstances, you're being dragged aside by Dick in two minutes after a really, really controversial decision. I don't know if... It's hard to tell with managers. I don't know whether it's an attempt to wind the players up, or if it's just being annoyed. I do think he looks a little bit under pressure at the moment, part of you, more so than... I was thinking about it. I think if that was me in part of your situation, I'd have been incredibly annoyed as well, and I probably would have reacted in a similar sort of way. And I'm the nicest guy in the world. Yeah. And it doesn't help when you've got that grinning idiot clop down the other end of the corridor. Who doesn't want to get touched on? Yeah. But I don't know if Travis, what was it like for you when, I mean, World of Managers normally did. Were you affected by how the manager's mood was after a game? Did you notice what sort of move you managed to do? It affected the way you went into training the next week, the next day. Yeah. I remember that we had the Italian guys wake up a couple of weeks ago. Antonio, some games you'd leave and they would... You would walk into the room and you'd get changed. Usually you'd walk on and go, "Well done, guys, good game." The day's it was pissed off, you knew, because you wouldn't stay. You'd walk in, you'd start to get changed. You'd just be standing there, arms folded, no one would speak. And you could just... You get that, you could just go, "Right, he's annoyed, he's angry, he's pissed off." There was no press conferences there, so of course you can't. You don't go home and watch. Match the day and see what your manager said about your performance. But you could just tell by a manager's attitudes, and it does make you think, but it can be positive and negative. The way he is will be positive and some players would be negative on others. I remember, who was it? One of our managers, it might have been the Holloway or Puleis. Sporone made a big mistake one game. He went into the room, changed from after. He said, "I can't shout at him because he knows when he's done things wrong. He's the biggest Christian that Palis has ever produced." Yeah, he would just go, "He wouldn't hurt a fly. There's no point shouting at him. It's not going to do him any good." But then you've got players like Will through shouting at them might do him a bit of good, because they wouldn't realise how much of an effect they've had on that game or decisions they've made. Delaney, I don't know. It's more of a personal thing. I don't think being at that camera isn't going to affect the team, so that's more of a personal frustration and personal anger. I don't think that-- Well, a lot of players avoid watching TV and watch the next day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The fact that reading papers-- The spirality thing is quite interesting, because from what we gather, if he made a mistake, he'd be the first one to go in there. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry, I made him stoke. And I'll show him what he's doing. Well, that's why he should have been picked in the first place. And also, from Palis's point of view, it would have been the ideal situation for him, if he had picked spirality for that game, and spirality made that mistake. He could have turned around and said, "Well, I told you, I don't fancy him. We all know all these rumours that he thinks spirality's too small, but at that, I still think that sort of decision affects everybody, because that's just-- Because the other players must be saying to them, "Well, hang on a second. Why is Julian not going to always be on the bench first?" And it's not like Julian's done anything wrong, whereas, you know, if you drop Hennessey on McCarthy, you can apparently say they've made mistakes. And also playing Jules is a little bit like playing boating or bringing one of the other kids in, because the fans give him so much more leeway. They're not going to have a go. He's got the blame for the mistake. And as a result, give you more leeway. Of course. Okay. Good question. Next question is from Bill Relier. Hi, Bill. All right, Bill. He says, "Well, Bill, very nice guy, but we used to be involved with Palis Radio. Very nice guy." He says, "Why do we continue to water the pitch before games and at half time? I see players slipping on many occasions, especially Blasian Zoho, when they turn quickly." And of course McCarthy as well on Sunday. Isn't that something Palis should stop doing? Everyone does it. Yeah. What was the question? What was the picture? It's heard the slipping so often. I mean, I don't know. It's certainly not an issue that it was last season with the pitch cutting up, especially down that side. The pitch looks fine. One of those things I think would have been mentioned. There'll be a reason why they do it. I don't necessarily need to see our slick passing game. It's a fight from one of those diagonal balls from set in the back. It's a good question. It's one of those things that you presume professional people in charge of the club would have spotted if it wasn't an issue. That would have thought. I don't think players prefer playing on a slightly damp, so it's too dry. It's hard for them to turn, but I don't know. I don't know how you get more injuries if it's too dry. It's none of the animal question when you've got a question. It's a good question, but the slipping and passing the ball to her. That was just, I mean, that, again, like you said, you can't legislate for that. Those slips happen on dry pitches as well. They happen in the cage at school on concrete slips like they happen. Maybe not as well, and not in such big Premier League games. I think it could have gone to anyone as well. Maybe it's a testament the luck we're having at the moment that it went straight to a Liverpool player. It could have gone anywhere. It's also a choreography. His first game back in, things are going all right up till now. Let's hope I don't make a slip. It's, again, a really confident goalkeeper would have just dealt with that and it wouldn't have been an issue. I blame myself that goal because I sent my dad a message about Tunes 4 after he'd won. I mean, on after he won, after he'd gone one up. And then I said to him, "What's the odds on us making a mistake?" As I clicked send, I looked up, "What are you doing?" And then I sent it a message literally as soon as I pressed send, "Oh my God, I think I've just jinxed this. I've, you know, got a heads in the hole." Did someone just confiscate his phone at first? Yeah, I'll give it to my sister before we go into the ground. I'll give it to her before we go. I know you're a young photographer, so there's no excuse for that. That's a stiff, stiff, perfectly, stiff. I don't actually, so I don't do anything. Is it sitting in the constellation I once heard the wrong coloured opal fruit? And that calls Wimbledon to equalize, so it's not just you. They've not been opal fruit since 1992. That's how you say it. What? I don't know. Starbursts. Are they? Yeah. Oh, I still love them. They're about one of the end of the day. I'm telling them they're on the marathon bars, yeah. Into the marathon the other day. Don't wanna know. It was Nick Hank. It was my favourite joke of Nick out into the marathon the other day. Chocolate and peanuts all over me, no. Right, Nick. You kept doing it for 10 years after they were Snickers. Right, next question. That's interesting about the water in the picture, but I don't... Of course, I'm not an expert enough to say whether it's... Oh, everybody does it, so it's standard. Okay, next question from Stephen Barton. Hi, Stephen. He says, "I recall Jules had an uns particular start at Palace, but he's now a legend. Fair enough, that mistake against Everton long time ago." Well, first six games, he was pretty poor. And yeah, yeah. Should McCarthy be given the same chance? What have you been dropped for three years? Yeah, right. Sure. Come on for that. Jules was a similar age, wasn't he? I mean, players can turn it around, I guess, can't they, but... I think... If we were... Oh, I don't know. The generous part of my soul wants to say yes, he should, but not on our time, not... If we were six or seventh, then yes, of course. The fact is, and I think we've talked about this before, I can't imagine Eva Hennessy on McCarthy being our starting goalkeeper next season. McCarthy, to me, looks like a championship keeper. Hennessy looks like a good championship keeper. Julian, we know he's tried and tested, but he's not getting any younger and apparently he's small. So I don't... I think that's one of the positions that we're fairly certain will be changing it. But then again, everybody wants a decent goalkeeper. So where do you look? I don't know. But also, I mean, we aren't the only team that's like goal-keeping errors this season. A lot of other teams have errors and maybe it's... It's effective for having... Liverpool, is that a minute a day? And then the bog-downs come in and made errors. Maybe it's the fact that we've had Jules for the last couple of years, it's been so solid that we just got a slightly higher expectation. Now, goalkeeper is a palace. Maybe we should give them the same break that we're giving the defenders, maybe the confidence things affecting them as well. And if they think the defenders... If they haven't got confidence in the defenders in front of them, they're more likely to make mistakes. We've been giving Dan and Delaney a lot of slack by saying they've got no confidence in the keeper. So perhaps that works both ways. I don't know if that's why Jules should be playing, because we know that they probably do have more confidence in Jules. Also, I think we should point out... This Tennessee thing wasn't really an issue when his first few got it. I mean, he's clearly a good goalkeeper, and he's well-rated. What? Oh, he is, but I mean, he's a piece by eight. Well, Chris Coleman for a start-off. I mean, he's been... He was first-choice goalkeeper, and he's a really good tool. He's qualified. He's just... If he was playing for West Brom, you wouldn't get... You'd say, "Yeah, fair point." He's their sort of goalkeeper. And yeah, Andy, for the purposes of the record, my love, Andy Street is shaking his head. But you can talk about his save from Shane Dorn, against Southampton. Yeah. "Save against Edmonton." "Sigatan Locke." "Sigatan Locke." "Sigatan Locke." "Sigatan Scokes." "Sigatan Scokes." "Sigatan Scokes." "Sigatan Scokes." "Sigatan Scokes." "Sigatan Scokes." That's six points. Great, well, you had one go in against a good team. Yeah, but I know, but that's six points. That's trial and error, that was it. Yeah, that's five or six points. Where do you...? And it would take away the three for Villa or Tate? Yeah, I know, I agree. Yeah. And also, isn't it? The trouble is, we don't quantify the amount of points that a goalkeeper might have won us. Yeah, exactly. I mean, the fact is, I mean, not Megan himself takes a lot of doing at Villa, and that arguably set the tone then once he's done that. It did, but also, I mean, you know, on average, you get a couple of mistakes from a goalkeeper as a season, maybe, depending on who it is. But we've had more than our fair share of individual errors of season. So what's the goalkeeper's...? From goalkeeper... Yeah, from our goalkeeper's, I mean... Well, let's be honest. I don't think any of them are the thing. Jules was of a sort of top 12 Premier League team. I don't think any of the other two are. We've had... Is it a position that needs addressing? Well, it is, that's what I agree, and I think it will be. But yeah, we've had plenty of conversations in the past about Julian not coming off his line, and Julian being near post. There have been times when we've said, "Thank you very much, and goodbye to Julian." So it's been a long time since we've had a goalkeeper. It was probably Nigel Meines, the last keeper you've got. We've got a top Premier League goalkeeper. Premier League. I think Jules was cool, but you're right. It's a top-class Premier League goalkeeper. OK, right, final four questions. Peter Hostakny. Oh, hi, Peter Hostakny. Says, "At the beginning of the year, Paju criticised to Warnock." Quote, "He didn't do very well here. After Warnock said we should sign Austin since then in the league, we've played nine games, lost seven drawn to. Is that karma?" Well, no, because karma is not a real thing. Well, yeah, I think, I think karma would have a tough choice picking between Paju and Colin in terms of who the nicer person is. So, the Austin women, again, we all said, "Why haven't we not signed Charlie Austin?" But how many goals has he scored for Southampton now? He's not played that many games? Got injured as well, and injured as well. So, yeah, I think, Austin was one of those players I thought we should have gone in for. So was Shelby, and again, Shelby's doing a right in the poor team, so you don't know. I mean, it would have been nicer, but I'm not a fan of managers making comments about previous managers, but to be fair, Warnock was niggling from the sides when they about it. It wasn't, I mean, it wasn't karma, but it was just that sort of Paju hubris that you're going to get there. And you just put your head in your hands when that sort of thing happens, because you know a bad run's about to fall out. Exactly, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, probably kind of invited. Yeah, that's just logical. That's just logical, it was blaming the open fruits or blaming Travis's text, blaming Paju for having to go up. Well, if you said, you can't in one sense, so no such thing as karma. No, we need to blame something. So, there's a bad run coming to me. We need something to blame at the moment, don't we? We can't look at wider systemic factors. We need one thing to pin everything on. And right now, I'm putting it on Paju slagging off warlock on the radio or something. OK. I don't think Paju is just something I miss. And I don't think the players have lost Paju's lost to players. I think the players are still fine. They still want to play for him. But he's, to me, he looks like he's lost weight. He just looks baffled at the music. Do you remember a few bits go on the pod? You were saying, when we were first going through this run, and you were saying, we're probably going to be all right, and we probably are. And then the season will look back, and we'll be like, why do we worry about that? I think now, for cars rather, we will look back and be like, we were right to worry about this. It's got too long now, isn't it? Yeah, it has, yeah. And that's why I don't understand. And I can't make it clearer that I don't want Paju to be set. I think that would be a mistake. But I don't understand why... Holloway was set for less than this. And I understand why everyone's saying, why are the Newcastle, St. McLaren, and nobody in the press is suggesting that the answer to Paju's problems is to get rid of the manager. After 12 games in which we've drawn for and lost eight. And of course, the argument is, well, we're still nine points clear. But I'm baffling. And for me, Paju is motivated by wanting an England job. And he's further away from it now. Guy in the Guardian was saying the other day, it's only in December, people were talking about him as a viable candidate for the England job. And he was behaving like a dog with two dicks. He's not a viable candidate for the England job anymore. And I think in that... So he's seeing his ambition kind of drifting away a little bit. And he just looks like somebody who's not... He's always been bullish. Even when he's losing, he tends to be bullish. And he's just not... He looks lost a little bit at the moment. But I still have more confidence. So, right, I drew in this part of his... Palace reign than I did more than I did more than I did. Again, I can't stress enough that I don't... I think it'd be a mistake to second. What I don't understand is why more people aren't saying that should be an option. And why, like you said earlier, when I said if you lose four more games, then you still said, "Well, I'll do second." So, you talk about losing 12 games and drawing four out of 16, it's 10, "Well, I will do second." It's like, "Well, we'd be bottom of the league, too, in current form." We're currently the worst team in the country. And imagine how funny it'll be if we stay up what'll be in the worst. Well, oddly enough, I can't wait for that. You know, Gasm, I make Gasm, the amateur member in the beard. He's happy now, and he's been at any point in the season, because he knows where he is, because he's enjoying it, because he's back to being points. I understand that. A lot of people feel that way. But if you look at it objectively, any other team will be talking about second and endangers. So, why aren't we? I don't know why I think it's a really good question. I think when you win a class... The transfer window, you could... Norwich trusted their manager with a lot of money, in the transfer window. We didn't do that. You could argue that's an old sign. Sunderland trusted that a dice with a lot of money. Newcastle trusted McLaren or Grandcard, whether with a shed load of money. Yeah. Everyone will play as in, except us and Villa. It's just... I'm just amazed that no one's talking more of it, and as an option, then they are, basically. I think, because we're not in mathematical danger at the moment, and I doubt we will be barring any sort of miracle. And because, whereas under Holloway, we looked like an absolutely basket case, and an inevitable relegation candidate, and pretty terrible. There have been moments in this run, and we've spoken about it earlier in this podcast, where we've actually put in some OK performances. It's been very small margins all over the place that keep on going wrong in sort of consecutive matches. And yeah, that's not... You know, it's a condone what's happened or to justify such a bad run. But I think it would probably take a collapse in the performances as well as the form. I don't disagree with any of that, because we've seen... The difference is, we've seen us play. What I'm saying is that people who haven't seen us play, you'd look at you go five games at home all season, and there's not any danger of losing his job. That's... I find that slightly strange. And if you want to sell season tickets, we've talked about this week and week out. We can't do that next season. We've simply, the home form can't be the same next season. I quite like to move seats, so I'm quite cool with the thing that they don't want to play so bad. Yeah, let me chat on and do it. Yeah, we do. I think that's really quite consistent. And we get extra games in the championship. Exactly. And we get to park closer to the stadium. The pauses will be quite tough. No, I have to learn the prices. But I can only see positives coming from this. But something I've always got to be given a lot of money to refresh the whole team. Or do you get any manager? It's all... I'm just talking about the sheer economic logistics of it all. And the fact is, with any other club we would be talking about, Arsene Vengers, half of Arsenal fans won Venger out. Yeah, they won it down for a decade. I know, but whatever they are third in the league, still in the Champions League and still in the FA Cup. Is he because he's a Palace from the player? I think it's because he did really well. We're giving him the credit he deserves, because he did really well in the second part of Arsenal. He's done the first part of this one. But it's not a blip anymore. It's not... Yeah, it's all very well for him to say, "This is the first time it's gone wrong." But it's like, it's not. Because the last six games, the last season we lost four on a spin, before winning the last two. It's a third season, man. And that's... I mean, you're dead. It's a big thing. James really talked about momentum going into the season after that. And he's right, because whatever happens this season, and I think we will stay up and he'll still be our manager, but we're going into next season. Suddenly, if we'd finished seventh, eighth, players are going, "Oh, I might go there." And now players are going, "Oh, yeah." "Why would I go there?" "I might as well go to West Brom, I might as well go to Swansea." And I get all that sort of feel-good fact to disappear. And I somehow still think the Americans are a blame. I don't know why. I just can't put them a feeling like that. Complain something. Yeah, but it certainly is, you know. And again, they're one of the reasons that makes me wonder why Pargy wasn't... isn't more under threat. Because they've got no emotional ties with Pargy whatsoever. They're in it for the money. I'm sure they are nice billionaires. As Steve Parrish says, "I'm sure they're lovely." I'm sure they're philanthropists. But if the deal had been done six weeks later than it was, I don't think they would have done it. Because at the moment, they're not getting a lot of bang for their buck. Yeah, and again, I refuse to believe that they're only in it to refurbish the half-a-way stand or the main stand. Well, they're very nice. Well, I'm sure we'll do, but they're not in it for that. They're not emotional when it comes to... They're going to be asking questions of Parrish. I'm sure they are about their investment. And that's why I'm not as convinced as you are that Alan Pargy is on safe ground. And again, I can't stress enough. I don't want that to happen. But I think it's becoming more and more of an option, which has got to be. Well, speaking of options, we've now got the option of going back in time for part three. No, no, we haven't got an option because we are going to be talking about it. No, we're not going to go... No, we're not doing it. 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And JCIS, the global research and brand consultancy from South London. Visit JC-IS.com. I will. So we had questions in part two. Part three, we normally go back in time for it in this week. But I'm going to start off this week's in this week with a question from one of our listeners. Is it a question from the past? Oh. It's not. But it's a question about our past, if that makes sense. Well, it is a question from the past. Well, isn't it? Yeah, it is a question. When was it soon? About four hours ago. How did you know that's not a question for the future? Oh, that's a good point. Anyway, the question... As somebody said the other day, how come people from the future haven't come back to kill Donald Trump yet? Because they've not invented the DeLorean yet. Ah. Because if it's gone out... Well, it's now gone out of circulation, hasn't it? No, no, it needs to come back into circulation. They need to reinvent it. Okay. Can you give me my time-traveling cars in, is it? Have you not seen the films? What's at all this is not a car, is it? No. Oh, wow. Oh. Yeah, yes, you're a theory, but I don't know what to write. Next question is... It's like the old days with cooking questions. Stephen Henry. Hi, Stephen. Hello. What's thinking about it? I don't think so. No, it's Twitter profile. Doesn't have to sneak a cue in it. He says... It can't be, then. Well, Fred West doesn't got a patio in it, can't we? Oh, God. Fred West on Twitter. Right. Stephen Henry, possibly the sneak player, probably not, says, "How young were you when you went to your first Palace game? If we make Wembley, I'm thinking of taking my son, who's five, to his first game." I think if you take your five-year-old to Wembley for his first game, you just ruin it for the rest of his life. Yeah. Basically. Well, no, because you might not remember. That's true. If you're lucky, you might not remember. Yeah, get him drunk enough. You go... I don't know, if you lose... Losing it Wembley for your first game would be... I think five is plenty old enough, isn't it? Yeah. I would have said. So how old were you guys, I think that was? I was six. Whoa. There's some debate in my family. And unfortunately, my mum was not with us anymore, so my dad reckons, he took me to my first game when I was six. My mum thinks the grocer took me to my first game when I was eight. I'm slightly worried why the grocer would have been taking me to my... I think I was six. I think I probably was six, that's all right. He won't... Five-year-old's not going to remember. It's just going to be all noise. But I think Wembley would be a bit much for him. I think you might remember Wembley. I mean, you'd be like, "Well, let me show you this game." Well, I don't remember. Oh, it was at Wembley. It was their fake heart final. I think most kids are less there, you know. We'll also get to the semi-final at Wembley. And that's Wembley. So he'll then tell everyone he was at. We won it anyway. How old were you, Trevor, some of your dad first smuggled you in in his pouch? I think I was five. Scared of the fireworks. Put my head in his coat. I mean, I think you lost three. There was a lot of space in that coat. Yeah. Oh, yeah, there was. That's where the fireworks were. Yeah. [Laughter] Oh, what? Well, my mum's first game was a good game, actually. I bet your mum's. My mum went to the semi-final at least Liverpool, I think. And that was our first game. So starting on high is probably a good game. No, well, according to your dad, your mum's first game is before that, because he tells that brilliant story. Oh, is it the Black Pan semi-final part? No, because your mum's made on the name is... Eagles. His Eagles. And... Which is... James told us... In the passport as well. Yeah. So, James told her that... James told her they arranged a little surprise for her with all the Palace fans. And when they started seeing an Eagles, he said, "That's for you." No wonder you wouldn't not sleep with him after that, would you? [Laughter] Nicely. [Laughter] But that's so... I've been trying to find a girl called The Referee in a wanker for 17 days. [Laughter] I mean, that's brilliant. Imagine if I'd taken Ed to his first game on fireworks night. Yeah, this would be a perfect night. Yeah. Just to traumatise the child. I reckon you should take it. I mean, we're not going to make the FA Cup final anyway. I really hope you don't, because otherwise I'll have to curtail my holiday. But if we do, you've got to take him. Surely. Yeah, you've got... Well, no, but Wembley, he might be in the semis. Yeah, we talked about that, but you were too busy looking at stuff when you bought. OK. So, no, it's a good... Yeah, but it's a minute, it's really... It's going to be packed and... No, it certainly is a good one, if you can't find it. But then if we win, then he thinks he's like that every week. No, but it's not because it gives you... You'll think it's going to be like that every week, but at the age, you won't realise that it's not going to be in by the time he's halfway through that season. You realise that it's actually like it's too late and you can't turn back anymore. And you're stuck with your club that you've gotten to for six months. Plus, you've got to be fine. So, it's better to start like that and... And when you're fine, everything's awesome. Yeah. It'd probably be like, "Oh, person won the FA Cup final." Oh, it's slide. You know, it's going to be much, much less. My first game was the 1st of January, 1992. They got home to Knox County. We won one nil. Marco, Gabi, you've got a new goal again. I'm really wagging at it's choice that month. I think we lost the away game at Knox County. And it was still standing and then he had an open end. Knox County were in the top division, weren't they? Yeah. I was seven years old. My mum... Because can we do this call? Can we talk about this every night? Because he scored in the Liverpool games. Yes. Well, he didn't, when he looked like he was going to be a really good player. Yeah. But... Talking about Charles' Mum's first game, my mum's first game was the Burnley 1979 game, where we secured for most 52,000 people at the same time. I don't remember, I was there. Never went to another game after that. So, if that's not enough to get you into Palace, you're just never going to be into Liverpool or the Palace. Ruined it for her or just didn't like football. She called your dad. Well, they were courting at the time. So, it worked for dad, but mum wasn't. Has it occurred to your mum that she might be the reason we're not doing well? Why? Because she's not been... We've had a terrible time, she's 1979. So, one game she goes to, it's one of our most famous matches ever, and she's not been since. No. She's your mum's fault. It probably is. Well, certainly. Yeah. OK. I remember that night. I think I went in my parents' arms actually thinking about it now. My mum's arms, yeah. I think I was taking into Palace as a baby. I was talking about it to my dad the other day. I believe he mentioned that. It might have been... It might have been a festival, though. It might have been a festival, though. It might have been a festival, though. It might have been a festival, though. It might have been a festival. It might have been a festival. It might have been a festival. It might have been a festival. Something happens. It might have been a festival, too. OK. Probably, it was a festival, maybe. It might have been a festival, but it might not have been a festival. Right. I'm dipping into... No, no, no, no, no. I thought it'd be right up your middle class, too. No, middle class streets, right? Yeah. Right. I'm dipping into the book. I'm dipping into the book. Saturday the 10th. I'm really looking forward to the section between 2008 and 2014. So I'm raising that. Nothing happened on this weekend. Nothing happened on this weekend. I've reached out for this week. Nothing happened on this week. No, no, no. Sounds good. Sounds good. I'm going to go stick to the book. Saturday the 10th of March, 1990. This is a good one for this week, right? Quarterfinal. Quarterfinals for the birthday cup. Cambridge. Palace on 1-1-0. I know. Biscord. Jeff Thomas. Jeff. And Max Rushton, you mentioned that he's still bitter about it. You know, I was moving on talk sport recently. He's still going on about it, which is childish, because only Palace fan should be bitter and twisted. That stuff's happened in the past. So it'll be almost exactly 26 years to the day that Palace played a quarterfinal against a lower league team. Well, I remember it because we went down there, fully expected, to get a ticket of a tail and couldn't. So there's loads of us in the pub. Didn't we play waltz in 1995 in the quarterfinals, when they were in the championship and we were in the Premier League? I don't know. I think we did. In the quarterfinals, was that the last? I saw it as in the quarterfinals before we got to play Bay night in the third world. I remember the Cambridge game, because I was comparing a comedy store that last night, and I got rat-hausted in this terrible pub in Cambridge. And we were following it by listening to the crowd noises, which we got completely wrong. But yeah, by all accounts, we weren't the better team that day. Cambridge. Got a job done that. We had a really, I mean, it's all our league teams, I think, on that cup run. We had a good run, yeah. We had a good run. In Arsenal run, yeah. Yeah, Arsenal run. But whereas this year we've done, we've beaten all the, all the big teams. Reading are not a good form, no, apparently. So, so, Reading fans too on that. So that means they're probably... They're dragging. No, they will be fine. We're going to, we'll definitely be at Wembley, which is wrong. It is wrong, for a semi's. Okay, right, one more. Who did we sign? 10th of March, again, 1994. Was it Andres Rubens? Did you do a sign in in the club shop? Who did we sign for? 1.1 million pounds. It went? 1994, from when? For who? Watford. Bruce Dyer. Correct. I'm the most million pound teenager. 1st million pound teenager. Right, I always thought it came through our ranks, 1.1 million from Watford. Yeah, it is, it's not. He wasn't the 1st million pound teenager. According to... The city bought someone, unless they were going for $999,000, because they didn't want to make him the 1st. Trevor Francis was the 1st million pound teenager. Oh, it says here 1st million, 1st teenager in the English game to be transferred to 7 figures. Well, that'd be worse. Okay. There you go, maybe not. Who was that? 1994. A long time ago, maybe Francis wasn't a teenager. He was the 1st million pound player. Thank you, we're here. But that's unfair. Sure, city pay. Oh, maybe he's the 1st 100,000, probably the 1st 100,000 pounds. Steve, someone who scored in a fake-up final against, told him. Well, I do have to be the most people, but I didn't see any people, but yeah. It's funny how you remember you could play tricks after all that alcohol. All right. One more then, Friday 13th of March, 1998 was not a good day for Palace. Who was installed as Palace's manager? Terry Fennables. No. 1998. Al Lombardo. Correct. Yeah. Tiddell Lombardo became Palace manager. That's not sweet. Don't think so. Lombardo became manager with the pro loading. And that's the one thing that Goldberg gets upset about when people say to him you pointed two men or two players who couldn't speak English. They could speak some English or something. Wasn't it an idiot? Think about it, the three points that I've been on, that's the first on this day that's happened during my lifetime. Holy shit. Got that. Thank you so much. Oh, boy. Glad to hear you from today. You're not going to see me on this show. Right, when Terry comes on, I do have to then research more recent ones, don't I? So you never saw Lombardo play then? No, I've seen him play on TV. I bet he doesn't even know. Jerry Murphy is. He does, he'll have to speak for another pause, speak for another pause. Good. That's our in this week wrapped up for this pod. In part four, we're going to look forward to, well, the FA Cup quarter final. Reading. So, Jonathan, a bit. Welcome back to the final part of this week's five-year plan. Podcast. Nice. Sponsored by JCIS, the global research and brand consultancy from South London, visit jigsy-is.com. I will. Good. And vets printing for your printing body. Need to go to vector.co.uk and let's vector with us. Okay. And you can buy your exclusive FYP or Vector with a K T-shirt right now. They're available for sale. Go to t-shirt-monster.com/f-y-p. Why are they exclusive? Because we're the only ones that are making them. Oh. Obviously. Right. There's still a couple left if you want. 250. I think sales have been good. I'll stitch them to give them one for end this where he is. Right. Cafe Cup quarter final, Friday night. Yeah. 7.55. Show us his first. Show us his first. There you go. 7.55. I don't know. Friday night is ridiculous, isn't it? Thanks. Thanks. Thanks to FA. I think I know the answer to this question. But should Jules be in goal on a Friday night? Yeah. I think you should be on getting goal on a Saturday afternoon or Sunday afternoon or Tuesday night or Monday night. Probably Friday night as well. As we said before, I'm hoping, assuming that he'd reasonably played for him under 21s last night was to give him some game time. And Jules could be the stimulus that changes the season. You don't know, perhaps Dan and Delaney are going to be much happier with front of Jules. I don't know. It might just be the lift that everyone needs. Pargy's got a reason. We know Pargy's been really, really stubborn and in particular about Julian. But he's got every reason to pick him now. But I don't know how, if Hennessy's fit, I think he would probably pick Hennessy. And Hennessy was injured, right? Well, injured in inverted commas. In inverted commas, yeah. But I picked him a knock. Yeah, I'd be amazed if the thing is, Pargy needs a bit of goodwill from Palace fans at the moment because we're more logical and sensible with a lot of Palace fans are. And there is a lot of Palace fans don't think it through as much as we do. And that conversation we had in part two about outside the same way, we were second to manage. There was a lot of Palace fans saying the same thing. So we did have to get a lot of tweets to be asked in that question. I didn't because you already are. I'm not surprised, of course they are. I know that from social media. And Pargy needs to buy a bit of goodwill. And the one way of doing that is to play Julian in a game that isn't in the scheme of things is a free hit. To be perfectly honest, because we are expecting to get into the semifinals. But if we don't know, I was going to shed that many tears to be perfectly honest. I just think the logic of not playing would be, is inescapable. He's got to play him surely. Because again, he can't lose. And if Julian has a bad game, then that's fine. He's got his reason not to pick him. You could argue that McCarthy didn't do much wrong, apart from that on Saturday. I don't know. Is there any other changes? Well, again, it would come back to what I'm saying. I'd like to see Boating start. And I'd like to think this is the ideal opportunity to play somebody like him. Because Reading Art, I'm particularly good for him. Their home record isn't particularly good. Yeah, they're going to be worried about it. So, hold on, but Lassie, you would expect us to come away, at least with a replay. So, I think again, it's a game we put Boating in, give him some experience. I think he's the right type of player, as well, to be honest. I agree. I would have Boating. He's not having to ask when he's wrong. They're going to just try and attack us. And we're going to be the team that are going to have to sit back and defend. They're going to look and go right. But Lassie's back fit again with his fit. You want someone like Boating. He's like a Yair Tourist, I pretend he's going to pick the ball up and try it down the middle. Absolutely. And spread it out to the sides. And from the very, from what we know, he's been playing in league one on loan. From what everyone says about him, at the very least, he's a championship player. So, yeah, put him in. I'll put him in. I'll put him in Premier League games. That's just... Well, you just see what happens if other clubs are at the moment, man, you're not at the moment. Sticking kids in left, right. And certainly, they have, when they be Arsenal, and, obviously, Venga, this was Venga's excuse, but they had, I think, when they finished six youth team players on the field, or six players under 21 or something, and they bring him through and they do a job. You've got Rastu scored two in two games, space for a week. And you've got the good wheel-bound heart got for it from Venga. Four in two games, I mean, is that right? Yeah, because it's the first game that everyone's coming to it. So, they can't have a go. And they didn't, because he's brought the kids through. And we talk about it every week on the club. We like seeing players come through. And it's had good players that have come through. Players that have done good things. Yeah, and this is a kind of no-lose situation. Because I don't think, yeah, I don't think any of us are expecting Palace to win the cup, because we don't do that sort of thing. And it is, the Premier League is the be-all and end-all at the moment. So, this is an ideal situation to put boating in. And who knows if he comes in play as well, gives him the confidence, lifts everybody else. He's got to be an option. And I can't, again, it's something we talked about in the last two weeks. He had that little glimpse of him at Swansea. And he came on and did perfectly well. And since then... And enough confidence. Have a shot at that. That was good as well. But since then, nothing. And I find that really odd. It's not even been on the bench, I mean, part from one go. And I just find that really odd, when that's been a position that we're struggling in. It wouldn't be Andy the end of the world if we lost. I mean, obviously, it's the perfect draw for Palace, away from home, lowest team in it. But it wouldn't be the end of the world if we crashed out, even though we were expecting to win. We've got nothing else left to play for this season. And I'm the upset we crashed out. It's the best chance we've had of a Wembley game in the FA Cup for 20 years now, since the 1994-5 semifinals. 21 years now. And yeah, I'd be quite upset if we go out. I've said throughout this season, even when we were in the early rounds, and it looked like the league gave more of an opportunity to finish high up and end the season on a high in that respect. I've always said that the FA Cup for a team of our stature gives a really good opportunity to do something that boosts the, I won't tell the ego of the fans, but it just boosts them around all the fans and just gives you something to crawl about a little bit. And I've said throughout, even when we were coming up against Premier League, it seems like it's like it's a fountain of spurs. It was certainly in this Cup competition, and I'd be, yeah, it would be the end of the world. - I think it was some sort of thing as well. The some sort of thing as well, we were talking about earlier, not finishing in a few places above what we have done. The past two seasons, our players are going to be attracted to your swans in US problems a bit more. If the player looks at us, they've got into the- - Yeah, yeah. - They've got to when they're in the FA Cup, beating Tottenham, beating free Premier League teams. And that makes up for those two or three places that you lose out on in the league, possibly. - And the atmosphere on Sunday was edgy enough, I think if we go out to a lower league club, albeit a championship club, but go out to a championship club, and then the bad run continues, I think it would turn into a slightly poisonous atmosphere. So I think, if for no other reason, to offer a little bit of respite and to make people forget for a week, I think winning the Cup in a Cup quarterfinal would be a good thing. - Well, I think two things. I think we know the away fans, actually, the slightly different, they will get behind them. But I think it's going to be a good indication of how the players are behind Paju. If we come out there and comfortably beat Redding, then people will say, "Fine, that'll give us an impetus." - Having the three Cup wins since the turn of the new year, almost been the reason Paju hasn't been looked at as a soccer manager for the FA Cup. Is that one of the things that's master over a little bit of possibly? - I think that's the right thing. - Because it seems to be happening at the time we use the three games, and then draw one, and then go in the FA Cup, and then we win. So as soon as it's getting to that point where people are starting to ask questions, we go to the Cup, we win, we play all right, and we think, "Oh, this is going to take us in." - Three weeks later, it's back in the same position. - Why hasn't it, or why hasn't each of that time it had been transformed into the league? - We all think all questions are for you, here we go. - It's at the end of the FA Cup. - You can only assume that the pressure is off, that the atmosphere is different in the dressing room beforehand, and we're all at the Tottenham game, and we all thought, as we did a little bit after Southampton and Stoke, that we played, generally played well at Tottenham, and did all the things that we talked about earlier on, held on quite comfortably, defended the league, broke when we had to, masted midfield, got around them, all the things we haven't been doing properly in the league, but you can only assume it's because it is a no-lose situation, to an extent. And now, my worry is that the pressure is, that they will feel the pressure now, and they will feel, we've got to give the fan something, they will feel why we're staying up, so this is the only way we can... - As it is, as it is, Reading, in a winnable game, whereas those previous five will be in games, if we'd lost them normally. - Yeah, yeah, exactly, and we're going to be the... Well, again, that's a very good point, so... - We're the favourites now. - Yeah, we're the favourites. We're also going to be the noisy fans, you know, so... - If that... - Yeah. - Good, okay. Well, that's it for this point. We'll be back with you listeners, next week, after the quarter final. - In the semi-final. - In all... - Oh, wow. - You've read it. - No, no, it's not that big. - No, all your stuff, though. I've decided you're right, all this nonsense about karma and fate, not... - It's rubbish. - Yeah, it hasn't worked. We've been... - You make your own lot, can't you? - That's not the show. We've been caretowing to karma and fate for months now, and it hasn't worked. - Yeah, true karma. - Yeah, that'll be awesome. - Good, okay. Thank you very much for listening. We'll be back with you next week. Keep sending your questions in, and goodbye. [music] [crowd cheering] - This podcast is part of the sports social podcast network. [crowd cheering]
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