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We were doing an early morning pod the evening after. It's half past eight in the early. It's very early. Really early. I know out in the real world some people have been at work for an hour, but this is not the real world. Not the real world. But the reason we did it at half past eight this morning is because Andy Street couldn't make any other time. And a little sod's not here. Yeah. Thanks, Andy. She's not earning money since we started the podcast, is it? Hundreds of thousands of pounds. Good. Well since the last podcast we've probably played two games. I draw at Sunderland and I defeat at West Brom. It's a point. It's a point. It's a point. It's a point. First of all, though, let's talk about goals. We've scored four goals in two games. Yeah. Well, Connor Wickham has scored four goals in two games. Luckily, I picked the right striker to make a foolish 10-year-old promise for it, isn't it? Well, they're even naked across tall names. Did you say that? Did you? No, I bet that'd be by all of it. Oh, right. If I picked Connor Wickham, I'd be worried now. You would be. He's now joint top score with five. Yes. We did say previously on the podium in previous weeks that once he gets that first goal, I know he got injured after the stoke game we had scored. But once he gets rolling, that they might start coming. And that's exactly what's happened. They've been four really good finishes, haven't they? Yeah, they have. They have. That's been a bonus because we also did say, if you cast your minds back to before the last five games, that we just had a run of quite difficult games. We had five games coming up that were eminently winnable. And let's see where we are after those. And we got two points out. Yes. Now, for the first time yesterday, I was genuinely not worried but slightly dealt, started creeping. But after last night, I'm not, I'm genuinely not worried again. Wickham is one of the reasons. The second half performance in both games was very good. And not just his goals. He was sort of doing everything. He's all around playing. It's good. But the goals, I mean, the goals were actually really good. So he looks... He looked sharp. He looked confident. He looked fit. He looked strong. And what was interesting last night, I think, from the... I'll tell you what, sorry to look, but what I loved about last night was the way he celebrated as well. It's nice to see a player celebrating against their old club. Yeah. Well, I didn't like it again. The fans didn't like him. His rumours of unhappiness up there. Yeah. I thought what was interesting. And I didn't see the whole game. I only saw lengthy highlights. But it looked like the other players were looking towards him as well. Tohara and Balasti in particular were looking to get Wickham on the ball. And he was looking for the ball, which is... Yeah. And he was using it well. And I've seen before, I mean, previous in the season that when he was playing, he can hold the ball up well. He can bring people in. Yeah. He's good in the air. They wasn't winning a lot of headers last night, but he's good at... He can shield it on the floor. He's so strong. He's very strong. He's got all the attributes, James, doesn't need to be that perfect. They got up. And now finally he's adding... Well, I mean, he was our man of the match last night, even without the goals. I thought he was our best player. And as you say, everything was looking towards him. You know, it's just... And I... Just his whole place, he's got so much strength. He spends a lot of time looking at his own team as well. With his back and the goal. And the fact he's scored four in two. He's great, considering how level looks at the goal. But he was, you know, he was looking at his team last night. And as you said, just then, the players are looking to him as well. Maybe a little bit better distribution every now and again. Maybe a little bit further than about two or three yards in front of him. Yeah. But I'll be behind him or whatever. But I thought he was one of the real pluses of last night. Apparently, it's a lot of the stat flying around that he has scored with his last five shots on goal. They've all been on target, which is a very, very good, very similar to when Shamax, a couple of years ago, had a similar sort of rate, didn't he? So can we... If we can get in the midfield giving him the ball as well as the two other forwards? Yeah. Can we put to bed then the Palace, this run of not scoring goals? Can we put bed at the end of the lack of confidence of going forward and scoring goals? Do we look more like a team that's going to go forward and score now at... Not a will, but each time. Not each time. But we look like we've got goals in us, which is the encouraging thing. Two goals in two away games. What we have to do now is get everything working together, because we've had different parts of the season. The midfield have been doing all right, and the back four and the forwards haven't. We've done all right. At the moment, the back four are doing all right, the front three are doing well, and then the midfield has gone AWOL. I think what I thought about last night was that even though we got two goals, we got two goals at the weekend against West Brom, we didn't seem to put the fear of dreading to the opponents that we're doing in the first half of the season, whenever we're going forward. Now, I guess maybe Zahara and Blassie were slightly more on their game. We weren't getting that many goals from the front guys, but we seem to have been a little bit found out with our wingers, as we've spoken a lot about on the bottom. I know Blassie has just come back and he's not 100% fit, and he did do it OK last night, and he will get better, and I think he'll prove an asset for the rest of the season. But I just don't think we have that... We don't seem to put that fear of dread into the opponent. We're confident in this team, because we look very much like when we get a goal, we suddenly play ten yards further off the pitch. But when we haven't, we look nerdy and sort of timid at times, don't we? Well, I think that's got a lot to do with the fact we haven't won through 11 games, as much as anything. So, yes, it is a confidence game. Yes, that question, yes, it is. I knew you were saying about Sunderland as well, though, as soon as we scored the first goal last night, we looked like we would score the second goal, and that we would hang on quite comfortably. The midfield problem, no. No one in midfield seems to be entirely sure what their job is. Well, shall we say it's a red dress in elephant in the room, because the Dubai has been terrible. Yeah, absolutely. And I think we're really, really missing MacArthur as well, a lot more than I thought we would do. Yeah. But somebody's got to, I think there was some ludicrous tweets last night from Palace fans, really ludicrous tweets from Palace fans, mainly about Hennessy, which we'll come on to now about, and about Kelly. But the one sensible one, who said nobody seems to, for one of a bit, would stay at home anymore when we're attacking, it's like, who is it who's sitting in front of the back four laps? Because even Jedi wasn't doing the last night, and just somebody needs to stay put, that's their job. And at the start of the season, we weren't scoring many goals, but the reason we weren't conceding was because we had two people, as I combined MacArthur, pretty much not leaving that sort of 20-yard circle in front of the back four. And now it's totally unoccupied ground, except accepting the effect up the away game at Tottenham. We were defending how you should do. The midfield players were in front of the back four, or never far away from them. And now they just seem to be, there's no shape or pattern to them. And there was a lot of time, Sunderland were getting in. It looked exactly right in that space in between the midfielders and the defence, and they were suddenly breaking with those three quick guys up front. But it's weird, because we were told, "Kabai wants to play deep, kabai wants to sit and play there, and that's his job and doesn't want to get further for all, even though his fans want to." So why is he suddenly now not only out of form, out of position, out of confidence, out of everything? I don't know. I really don't know. I mean, maybe he's missing MacArthur. I don't know. Maybe he's missing MacArthur. I thought on a plus side, I thought much had a really good game last night. I thought much. I think there's a lot of people, me included, who were not like keen on why we bought him and what he was going to add to the team. But I think he's proved it, especially last night, and also a little bit against West Brom. We're getting a run now, isn't he? He's getting a run, which, you know, again, it's that confidence thing. But I think the thing with Kabai, I think, you know, you've got Pardier. He's got to be harder on these players sometimes. You know, you've got, I think he needs to get dropped maybe just to make him realise. I was going to say, is Kabai on droppable? Well, I'd like to think not, but maybe he is in terms of Pardier. You know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. In the same way that Wolf lasts. Was it last season when we dropped Wolf and he came back? It was early this season, yeah, and he dropped him. And, you know, not that we look at Wolf in the same way as Kabai, because he didn't cost us 10 million quid. But it helped Wolf get back into it. And I think Kabai, maybe he's been floating a little bit. Great start to season. All the plot is we're going to Europe, to ding, to ding, to ding. And it's just drifted. You know, we can all look at the problems wide. Kabai, Kabai has to shoulder some of the blame for this run. The thing is, part of the problem with dropping him is that everyone says inside the club that apparently he's a great leader in the dressing room is brilliant. Well, he's not the trainer, he's brilliant, but he's not absolutely at the moment. He's not on the pitch. And the fact is, he's the senior professional. And whatever you think about Addy Boy, or so far, hasn't been as success in terms of goal scoring. But you look at his attitude on the pitch. He is a proper experienced, mature professional. You can see him talking to the other players all the time. You can see him getting involved with the referee. You can see him doing his job properly. And Kabai at the moment isn't doing that. Kabai's floating through games. I don't know if it wasn't where he was. I don't know if it wasn't where he suddenly broke. And Kabai was moaning at the ref. And he was just walking. And he had three players breaking on the countertop past him. And you think, no matter what you think about what's happened, talk to the ref, you've got to get back and track it even if you don't get there because it looks so bad. One of the great things about Kabai that we spoke about in the beginning of the season that maybe sort of didn't realise about his game was the fact that he was tracking back. And he was a great, you know, I was impressed by his defensive abilities. Not just in the way he just got in there. Right, okay, I'm going to get in there. I'm going to drag this team up. I'm going to drag this team with me. That wasn't happening last night. We used to get that from Jeddonack. And he wasn't doing it last night either. He looked so out of sorts. I mean, Jeddonack looks a championship player best at the moment. I hate to say it, you know. But if you've got two supposedly great leaders in your team, Kabai and Jeddonack not doing it, then thank God we do have Connor Wickham who's starting to play a little bit. And thank God we've got Blassy battles, you know, hopefully doing a little bit. And the defence is leaking a lot more goals than it should be. We'll get onto that. But at least you feel slightly more confident that we did a while ago that we're not going to leave the goals. And the thing we could buy as well, it's not that he's been a fancy downer. He doesn't fancy a four and a better word, relegation struggle, which is two words. Because when Newcastle were in trouble, when Newcastle had this line, Kabai was in the thick of it. Kabai was one of the players, all the Newcastle fans said, at least Kabai is there. So he is capable of getting into trenches and doing a shift. And I think it can't be coincidences. He's just not the same player without Kabai. In which case you go, we'll put somebody next to him. It's like McArthur put boating him, or tell Jen that to not move from within ten yards of Kabai, because it looks like somebody has to do, well, it's not the hard work for him, because we're all boasting about his figures early in the season. Second highest tackle rate, biggest highest interception rate. But at the moment, he, well, it's something really something to be fair against Tottenham. We were seeing in his praises on the pod because he looked sharp and up to his old self and playing a little bit further forward. I mean, I would have thought he'd have been really up for the game last night. Yeah. Back in the northeast. Back in the northeast. Kevin, Kevin, you were saying you were pleased though that he, because he said previous on the pod that our players don't really sort of surround the ref enough. And when Will got taken up by Rodwell, but I was the first one there, wasn't he? Yeah, I don't know. Probably for people who have never listened before, that would sound not indicative of the kind, gentle person I am. But my point has been recently that for various reasons, and I think a lot of which is to do with Pargy wanting the England job, that we haven't shown that passion. I think sometimes, all it takes is one massive tackle to turn a game around. And I think sometimes you need to show each other and the fans that you've got that passion you're protecting your own players. So I was really pleased last night when Rodwell saw it Zahaar, that the Palace players did. You did let the referee know that they were really cross about that tackle, and Rodwell got booked. He would have didn't anywhere, I think. But also, it shows the Sunderland players that we're not going to be bullying and intimidating, and you do need a bit more of that. You don't have to do it by cheating or constantly surrounding the ref, but you do have to stand up to other players. And we haven't been doing that recently. At least I was pleased to see Kabai was the first one there last night. So he's not going to get dropped. So the conversation is slightly pointless in a way. But I do think it's time. Yeah, but we do have to fill up about our 15 minutes. So there's a lot of pointless things we talk about, Kim, you know that. And you'll notice that I'm now able to do a full sentence because I was halfway through a bacon sandwich for the first five minutes. How was it? It was lovely. As you know, because you just... I know your next sandwich because you're a vegetarian, even though you just end the leg, but yeah, that's fine. No, that's vegan. That's vegan. Well, I know. Guy, he's still baby animals, aren't they? Guy, they're not. They are baby. They're not fertilised. Well, you might not be, but you know... Definitely not. You're supposed to be man as well, but... Well, that's a different leg. All our eggs are fertilised on this side of the table. My eggs are always in the same basket. I think it's time boating. Everyone's talking about boating. I'd like to see boating on the bench, at least. And I'd like to see him start and he probably won't until we're safe. But from what I can gather, he's going to be the young player of the year by a country mile. Everyone around the club says how well he's playing. Came on at Swansea, showed plenty of confidence, could have scored. He's big, he's strong, he's mobile, he's young, he's got that youth factor. And when it's clear that the combination... We're really struggling to get the right combination in midfield at the moment. And it comes back to what we're saying. Suddenly, Marchy's playing, all right. But the other two... Yeah. We just... I think it will happen before the end of the season. We'll get a couple of games when everyone plays... When it all clicks. When it all clicks. And we will get the points that we need to stop ourselves looking over our shoulder. But at the moment, we can't get the combination right in midfield. McArthur's not going to come back. Punching's nearly fit, so we'll see what happens then. But why not give another option, the chance? And voting is the sort of player... I wouldn't bring Lee back in, because what we're missing is a proper defensive midfield player. And Jedneck and goodbye are not doing it. So when you've got one that's doing that job brilliantly for the young players, bring him in. There was an argument, isn't it, Palace fans? We've said on the pod in the past. Well, in a Premier League, it's harder to bring in youth players to risk them and stuff. Oh, Manchester United, against Arsenal, had five youth team players in their squad. And they won that game. And they're proving that actually, sometimes if you do go with the kids, then it can pay off. And not only that, but look how much it lifted the atmosphere. You know, if you feel like... Well, that doesn't take a lot, does it? No, it doesn't. Not to be fair, but in terms of their role, they're all getting a van house. But we've had it in the past with Warnock. Warnock's been the only manager who's consistently not been scared to bring young players in. For that, he deserves an enormous amount of credit, but Warnock knows. As everybody said, there's a commentator on, you know, an Arsenal game said on Sunday. This is a free game for, you know, with all the kids, because the fans are not going to have a go. Yeah, exactly. And the fans are so excited, Barnum, and that... I think it's very clever management from Van Halen. That guy's not stupid. He may look a little weird when he falls over at the side of the picture. Yeah, that was good. But then again, you know, going back to the Palace argument, it is, you know. And we pride ourselves on youth and bringing youth through, you know, watching Nathaniel Klein on Sunday in the League Cup final. You know, I actually felt proud even though that he lost. But I felt proud as a Palace player. I found that I'm proud. So I was talking about it all the time. That's what we are. But, you know, we don't... And I think, you know, I think Kev's right. And I don't think we need to wait till we're safe. Let's just get this going. Let's get this moving. We're not going to go down, really. Are we? No, we're not. But it's also... You bring some about voting. And the older players show more responsibility. They want to look after him. They want to show him what it's all about. And I think it's a no-lose situation. Unless we lose, obviously. But I don't think... I think it's because I genuinely thought, after the Swansea game, that he would be playing more of a role. If there is an issue there, and there is, then why not try it? Yeah. Well, he and Kai Kai are the two that... Kai Kai's injured. He's gone back online. I was the only one... To try again. Yeah. But they are the two that I think... Right. The management I'm looking at and are really confident about. And they're in two positions that we arguably need supporting. Well, he covered, don't we? Yeah. And that's what we need to get back up here. Yeah. Just we haven't really spoken about the West Brom game. I'd like to think that maybe in a month's time or so, we'll look back at this run and thought that it changed at half-time from the West Brom game. I know we lost the game, but to come back and show us spirited... ...spirited second half and get a couple of goals in it. I think the game would go under the 10 minutes. We may have got that. Maybe, you know, maybe... It felt after 25 minutes against West Brom. It was the lowest point of the whole season. It really felt like this. Even though, OK, perspective, if you'd have said the beginning of the season... ...dirderderder five years ago in our administration... ...dirderderderder, we know all these arguments. But let's just not look at it like that. It felt like the Southampton game. It felt like 20 minutes in that game were three-nil down. At West Brom, I'm thinking this is this. Can it get any worse? Yeah. It could have been five at half-time. It could have been five at half-time. But you know what? You didn't. We pulled it back. I walked away from that game thinking as though we got a draw or a victory. I actually felt empowered by it in a mad way. And I think we got a little bit of that last night as well. So let's hope, on Sunday, we'll talk about this later. Let's hope this is going to carry on. I'd like to think that that half-time, that 20-minute, 25-minute mark at West Brom... ...is a turning point in this little... So what's the challenge? I think we saw last night as well. And I know it was disappointing the last-minute goal, eventually. But when I left the house last night, we were one-nil down. And I was quite miserable. So for me, that was definitely a point game last night. And again, two games running. And I just didn't see that West Brom half-time. I didn't see that coming at all. And I think we all thought, after Tottenham, we talked about West Brom. It was a perfect time to play them with the coin-frowing and... ...poulless after a new contract, et cetera, but we got that totally wrong as we have done in the past. But I simply didn't see that. I think everyone saw that coming. But the response, as James said, the response was, you know, either we were going to... ...get battered, or we restored some pride, but we did more and restored some pride. We came out and we were a better side in the second arm. Against the team, let's not forget, that we can see very few goals West Brom, especially at home. And last night, my big fear of half-time one-nil down is that Sunderland do concede goals. They always concede goals. And I just thought, Christ, if we can't score against Sunderland. Yeah, absolutely. But not if we score twice, and both good goals will take and goals, but we're much the better side in the second arm. So it's not a team in... ...it's not a crisis here, if a team can respond like that. The trouble is it shouldn't have to respond like that. Yeah. But it's just, again, it's an indication of not everything clicking at the same time. You have one good half, one bad half. Yeah, I agree. You've got three or four players playing out of the skin of three or four players, not. And it will, it will click. And I think part of you looked very, he looked slightly haggard at the moment. He looked a really relieved man last night, on the second half. And the equalizing goal was what it was. It wasn't, it was just a really, sometimes you can't do anything about a really good goal. It's like leaves go against, I mean, the only good thing last night was that, you know, nobody got injured celebrating goals. Which is still so cross about that. So it's like, stoke couldn't do anything about leaves go against them. Yeah. And sometimes somebody scores a really good goal against them. Hang on, before we talk about it, we all know. Just one thing. Does it feel a bit like, as well, when you're on a bad run, luck doesn't go your way. Should have had two penalties at West Brom. Yeah. We should have done nothing, right? We should have done, but... Things aren't really sort of a bit unlucky about it. Always feels like that. But we shouldn't have been three-nil down, basically. Those two penalty incidents, and they were penalties, and there's no doubt about it. But if we'd been two-nil up, they wouldn't even have shown them on match today. You'd shrug them off. And it's not the referees' fault that we were three-nil down. Yeah. But these things will, you know, it's a stoke fan point. That, to me, the leaves goal the corner that came from wasn't a corner. It's like... Fair enough. No. Fair enough. I don't remember, but they do. Yeah. Fair enough. It's not just penalties. And to be fair, the goal we went to on ahead last night, a lot of referees would have given a three-kick against Dan, because he'd bundled into the back of their centre. Yeah. Possibly. So, you know, at the end of the season, I think we'll talk about Hennessy later. In the end of the season, you could argue we talk about Hennessy costing us points. But end of final analysis, referees. But that luck thing will change. We'll get a penalty that we don't deserve. Somebody will get sent off. And also, everything went our way in the first off season, didn't it? We were flying high so much, and probably had over-performing. We weren't talking about refs. Exactly, yeah. Well, again, I don't – without Streety here to say we've heard into the mean. Because we've reverted far. I think possibly we were performing better than the – our results were better than we were as a team in the first half of the season. And our results were worse than we are as a team at the moment. I think we're probably a tenth place. We still – as part of you was quick to point out, we still got more points now than we had this time last season. Really? Yeah, we're ahead. And what do we end on last season? Well, we end at 45, was it on? And also, remember, at the end of last season, we had a really worrying run until we'd be – Yeah. Yes, we did. And we went on that run. Yeah. So we still – we're ahead of ourselves points-wise from last season. And when you think about how bad our run is, we're still 14. That's an indication of how good it is. But we're still closer to – we're closer to 7th than we are. So we're ready. Yeah. And so that's an indication of how well we did. We were behind Tottenham on goal difference going into the Christmas matches. And so we built up that bank of points. So, as I say, arguably, those results were better than we were and these results were worse. But we don't look like a team in crisis. No. But we do know that next season, there are changes – Changes are fine. To be fair, I'm sure there will be. The squad needs to be stronger. We know that there are arguably two of the back four. I don't know. We're going to change it. There's a lot of people last night on Twitter. We're going a bit crazy about Wayne Hennessy. Joining them to be dropped. I personally think he couldn't do anything with either goal. Well, a lot of Palace fans didn't seem to have noticed the deflection for the first goal. Because a lot of them were saying, "Oh, dude, all his weight on his left side again." Yes, because that's where the bull is going. And he would have got it. Yeah, and that's – If it was a deflection, it was not useful. Yeah. And the second goal – I hadn't seen the second goal. I'd seen the tweets for I'd seen the second goal. I was expecting to see – well, I saw the highlights. I was expecting to see him beating at the near post. But it was a really good goal. Yeah. That wasn't his fault. You could talk about maybe midfield cover and fall back. I think that wasn't his goal. And the fact is we've been as harsh as anybody on Hennessy in this pod. And of course you want to blame people, but don't blame him for last night. But that's – I think you've said it there, Kev. I think you look at that second goal last night. And yes, there would have been some goalkeepers that would have saved that. It wouldn't have been Palace. But the point is, Palace fans, we are looking – they are. We're looking for a scapegoat. We are. Yeah. We are. And I think Hennessy, unfortunately, like it or don't like it, he's feeling that like a role at the moment. The arena had been because of a few mistakes. Yeah. The arena had nowhere to go last night. The arena in Tennessee made a point of covering his near post. The arena defensively – we were actually all right. We'd recovered quite well. There was no one for the arena to pass too. So he went – he hit it beautifully and there's no blame at all fans. It feels to me a little bit like there's a – with some fans, there's a bit of a campaign against Tennessee that they're looking for a reason to hammer him, regardless of how bad he is. He's made mistakes this season, yes, in his cost of points. There's been reasons to hammer him, yeah. But when he's had an OK game and he's not our fault, I think it's really unfair to have it go at him when there's been far worse players on the pitch. Well, they were far worse players on the pitch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And actually, Hennessy was – and everything else he was asked to do last night, shots-wise, he did absolutely fine, I think. Yeah, and also I think, as James said, I don't know if it was just before we came on there, but that kind of being because that would have been 5 o'clock this morning. But we were still out. All the talk last night, all the interviews and the managers, all the journalists, no one said Hennessy was at fault because Hennessy had done. But everyone said, "What a brilliant goal." Exactly. It's only the Palace fans that are – or some fans have it. So yeah, I mean, and finally, kick him when he deserves to be kicked with us. So no – Sparoni isn't saving that. And if Sparoni lets that goal in, no one is saying no. Hennessy's footwork there isn't good enough. Oh, so the thing is, Hennessy's not being dropped. You can tweet as much as you like. Hennessy's not being dropped. I don't think for a moment Hennessy will be our first to us goalkeeper next season, but for the rest of the season, he's not being dropped. So we need to deal with it. And the fact is he's not – he's not the best. He's a Premier League goalkeeper. He's not top quality Premier League goalkeeper, but he's a decent keeper, and he has made mistakes, but he's also made some really brilliant saves. He's no better or worse. I feel like Hennessy and Hennessy are all much, to be honest, I don't really think that's a lot between them. Also, those fans were saying put Sparoni back. If Hennessy's dropped, it won't be Sparoni who goes back. Exactly. Simple as that. It's Pardes who doesn't think he's tall enough. Full stop. Right. So as we know, Pardes have now for male. Once he's made his mind up, he's made his mind up. I think it's unfair as well. So I think absolutely fair enough, when Hennessy makes game-changing mistakes, like Villa Away, like Man City Away, fair enough, you hammer him, or you at least pick them up. And the same flip side, you have to then give him praise, or at least be fair when he has a perfectly competent performance. Or to be even more fair, not blaming when it's not his fault. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. And, you know, Ward hasn't played well, you know, despite me being one of those people who said, "Off the Tottenham game, well, that's it. We've worked at the Formula 2, full-back, full-back defending, but I don't think there's any doubt that Swari will go straight back in the team on... Although I think that's harsh on Kelly, because now I think he's... Well, I think he is, but I think he'll want to put Ward back where he's comfortable. And I think Swari, with Balassie, with Balassie, with Balassie. Balassie. I think Swari will pronounce it in his house. I think Swari with Balassie was a combination for the most part, worked really well, and I think Pard would be keen. I think Pard would be very keen to get back to his near, as possible, as his first-choice starting level, and I'll be at MacArthur won't be starting, but I think... I'll be amazed if Swari doesn't revert to left that with Ward. I think we taught last week at that. Or possibly Kelly at the right level. Kelly, but... Well, you could argue that Kelly has done more to earn the right back spot than Joe Ward has over the last few weeks. Possibly. Yeah. Possibly. I think there is an argument there. I think the problem is if Kelly plays with Swari, and we didn't notice it earlier in the season when Ward was out for a couple of games, it's so unbalanced at the back, because Swari does bond forward. You almost need both formats going forward, so everyone goes forward with them. But when Kelly doesn't, and Swari does, you've got a massive sort of diagonal space going from one side to the other, so I suspect that Ward will be going back to right back. I just think, because we talk about Pard you being stubborn, Pard you know, he's what his first 11 is, and I think the back four is... And that's it. I think that might be as well because Kelly is sent back really, isn't he, by his right name, so he wants to be made. He keeps going now, but he's 25 or down. No one seems backing to play in that sense. Never seems to play. Yeah, and there have been times this season when you think, "All right, give him a run out." But I just think, as we're all looking at Liverpool, much more suspect, Liverpool are good going forward. But not so at the back, and I just think he'll probably try and go toe-to-toe Liverpool, and hope that they're slightly nervous about coming to Salas Park as usual, and then we can get out there. Yeah. And I think if you've got, you know, some of Swari and Balese's, Balese's heart. [LAUGHTER] It's really hard to say no, it's like... Swari, Balese, Balese. I can't say... Mayonnaise. Swari, I can't say water rat. Why? I can't say water, I can't say water, then rat, but I can't say... Water rat. Water rat. Water rat. What? I mean, some of their in the play together was fantastic. Yeah. And defensively, Swari, we weren't praising him quite a lot. The first half of the season. We were saying he was better than we thought he was. And it's just, I think, with Balese being missing, that he's looked. I think that was an issue we talked about, because Paolo simply couldn't find the right person to play in front of him. Yeah. Because, like, Lee at Swansea, he wasn't... Before that, it looked like he might be the answer, and then clearly wasn't, and then other options weren't quite... So Balese, in turn, really has actually been fruitful, not just for the forward players, but also for Swari's back. He really has balance, isn't he? I think... If we pick up a few points between now and the season, I think Balese is going to be playing the year. And that'll be slightly odd from some of his missed half a season, but... Yeah, no. Well, it's... Well, at the very least, he's put five million quid on his transfer fee. Absolutely. It shows his importance all over the pitch, and I think... Not just defensively, as we'll see, but I think the really significant thing is that... He can only... Well, again, it might be coincidence, because we're not fully quality. We're only pub coaches, isn't we? It's fully qualified. We're fully qualified pub coaches, but, yeah, we've got all our badges. We'll tell you why out from some really shit pub. But... I just... I mean, it was Balese's ball into Wickham last night. I just think Balese's making Wickham already the second half at West Brom. Yeah. And certainly second half last night. Balese's bringing things out of Wickham. I think the three of the specialist with Sakai to come back as well, 'cause he's talking about Zahar being 50/50 for last night. But I think just two wide men and Wickham is looking at a combination that's going to work. And that's... Sako did come on last night for a little bit. Yeah, but at the end, yeah. But I think that's... Yeah, Wickham's goals are the big... Yeah. The big plus. Good. Well, let's end on a big plus. That's a good point to put one on. Fantastic. On... Positive. Very positive. But two, we're going to be answering questions from our listeners. So, join us in a... It's going to be good. It's going to be good. Join us in a bit. Welcome back to this week's five-year plan podcast. Hey! Podcast 171 sponsored by Vector Printing for your printing embroidery needs. Go to vector.co.uk and that's vector weather. Okay. And JCIS, the Global Research and Brand Consultancy from South London. Visit JC-IS.com. I will. Very good. Right. It's question time. From our listeners, we had loads of questions this week. I'm not going to get to read them all out. So apologies for that. But I've handpicked a few. And the first one... Handpicked. Handpicked. Oh, wow. It's like strawberries. Yeah. Just like strawberries. How would you have picked them otherwise? I don't know. Brainpicked. I don't know what would you have picked. Right. The first one is from David Fraser. Hi, David. David. And he says part of you has made half-time subs in 14 of 34 games this season. Wow. Is that an admission that he gets his line not to run? Well, maybe it's an admission that he's not afraid to change things. Yeah, he's kind of... I think Manojis can't win in that situation because we complain both times. No. If he doesn't make changes, we say he's got no plan B. And if he does, we say, what's he doing, why isn't he starting? Right. Some of them were going to be players that started and possibly shouldn't have done because of injuries. Some of them will be tactical. Some of them will be because we won't move down. But it... It interests us... Yeah, some of them are half-time. That is a good stat. That's quite unusual because... I would like to see that stat broken down a little bit. Yeah. That's the reasons why. Yeah, you sound like Street. But that is a good stat. I would. Some people could play it because he took Wickham off last night, didn't he? Yeah. Well, actually, that was one of our... The next question, actually, was relating to the Wickham one. Right. He took... He brought Adeboyo underneath the Wickham for the last 10 minutes. Yeah. And Nicholas Divelle. Hi, Nicholas. Hi, Nick. I said why Wickham was on a good thing last night, why take him off? Could he have scored again and put the game to bed? That's a valid question, isn't it? Well, it is a valid question, but it's also... Adeboyo is more experienced. He's not playing his old home ground, challenging him out, holds the ball up better. I think defensively, Adeboyo is strong. So, I don't think that was a decision that you'd go. That's an astonishing... Maybe it's right in hindsight that you think. Maybe he's admitted to that. At the time, Wickham would... Yeah, Wickham's still working his way back from being out for half a season of injury. I think there's also a thing as well that maybe Adeboyo might have just nixed the winner himself. Yeah. It was there set for him, wasn't it? To give him a new problem. So, possibly, because he thought he'd buy a pass in midfield a little bit more. I was just banging it on to Adeboyo. I don't think that was a... Sorry, it wasn't a game-changing decision. No. I thought that was perfectly logical to be perfect. I'm going back to the half-time side. I would interpret that as a manager that is prepared to make big calls earlier in games when things aren't possibly working, which I would say is possibly a positive thing. Yeah, you can. Yeah, I mean, it depends whether you're four or only part of you. Yeah, so I would say I don't think... I think if you look at social media, especially last night, everybody's moaning that Pardew has not only does he not have a plan B, most often a lot he doesn't have a plan A. Yeah. So, you know, saying that goes against what a lot of people are saying. So, I guess it's what Kent says. You know, if you're pro-Pardew, it's a good move. If you're anti-Pardew, it's an idiot. Yeah, this is the same Pardew. You have to look at it dispassionally, which is hard. The same Pardew has got us to fifth in the Premier League. Yeah. The same Pardew we all wanted as manager. And he is the best manager we've had in the Premier League. You know, and hopefully we'll be from it two or three years. But yeah, he hasn't done things. But the thing with changing with substitute is it's been... I think we have underestimated the injuries sometimes. And it's only recently that to his credit, Pardew has started talking about the injuries. He's rarely had the chance in the second half of the season to pick his first choice, 11. So, I think the substitution, I'd be interested to see how many of those were made after Balassie was injured. Yeah. Because I think since then he has been floundering, if you want, if you're not a Pardew firm, floundering around, looking for the right starting 11 with the players that he's got. Yeah, yeah. And he's also having to cope with the fact that some players are clearly out of form and are not undroppable, but are harder to drop than others. And the teams that have done well this season, Lester up top, as well, have had a fairly regular starting 11. Yeah, we had Lester... Lester of barely. I mean, they've played an unchanged team so many times. And I think Pardew would do that as well, if he had the opportunity. But he's not... Pardew is not one of those managers... Well, ironically, it was a rainy areas reputation, but by all accounts the players told him to keep out of it at the start of the season. Did they? Yeah, let's say by his own admission, he says, "I haven't done a lot. And they picked the first team, and they've been really lucky with injuries and suspensions because they are one of those teams that referees seem to get away with rotational fails." No, rotational fail. But yeah, but I don't think Pardew is not a manager that's a lot. It's not like RemiGard just desperately throwing all the cards up so he and they learn, basically. Yeah. Well, I've got quite a few questions about Pardew this weekend, and Christopher... Well, Christopher Gile, he looks like... Obviously a friend of Kevs. Well, that's it, yeah. Gile, as we call it. It's a great name, I like Christopher. What a great name. Well, G-I-W-L-E-W-T. Gile, Gile, Gile, Gile, Gile, Gile, Gile, Gile, Gile. I'm going to call it Gile. Where are you from? Oh, no, he's in Chesham, he's Gile. Chesham. Right. He says, "Do you agree there seems to be a lack of urgency at the club? I'm sure it wouldn't be professional or maybe counter productive, but I'd like to see Pardew lose his rag about this run a bit more. Is there an indication he's leading the players?" I do absolutely agree with that. I think that's a really insightful question, and it's something we have talked about before. Pardew's out of tune on the touchline. I think it's well known that we think he's after the England job and that he thinks he should calm down a little bit. And I think that it's counter productive, but I do think we've split. I think the transfer window indicates that there was no... There was nobody at the club who had the foresight to think that if this bad run continues, there might be a genuine problem. And I think we have sleepwalked into it. I think that's a good explanation. We have sleepwalked into it. Yeah. And I think we've told ourselves that we're a good club and we've got too many points to go down, which is probably two. And I think it's only this week. And you see Pardew's expression in interviews, but it's one of the standards saying I've had to kick the players up the arse. We've all been a bit complacent if you prefer to sleepwalked. But, yes, I think we have been... I don't think you need a lack of urgency about that. I don't think you need to go into the press though to do those things. No, yeah, boy. I mean, on the opposite side of the coin, you look at sort of like Klopp. You know, he's well-known for his touchline antics and his expressions, but if you're a player and you're looking around and you're seeing your manager doing that, you're going to play. And you notice whenever Liverpool do score, the first place they run to, he's always Klopp. And he's always there with them. There's that unity. I think that's something that we are missing. Well, that's one of the things I like about Pardewis. Pardewis is non-stop on the touchline. Pardewis is non-stop again at referees. It's non-stop. He was writing notes all the time and shouting. He was directing. He used to conduct molasses like an orchestra. He was always setting molasses where he'd go. And so Pardew used to be like that as well. Pardew used to be like that. They just seemed to calm down a little bit. Well, calm down to the point of looking lackluster on the bench. And you look at the Bournemouth game with Eddie Hale. It looks a bit lost though, doesn't it? It looked a little bit. And you look at the Bournemouth game with Eddie Hale. I don't like... Again, he's all over the place. His arms waving. And people within football will probably say, "Well, that's just wasted energy." But it does transmit to the players. And it transmits the fans. It transmits to the fans. It raises the game. It raises the energy. Pardewis is really good at that sort of thing. Clops are very good at that sort of thing. There's not been touched apparently. Clops by posting that interview. I've seen that a couple of times. Yeah, yeah. It doesn't matter. I know we're going to talk about the game on Sunday later on. But there are two sides to this coin that you've got. Pardewis has been the way. He's plopped the way he is. And it'll hopefully be a cauldron of fire on the Sunday. I think the urgency has come. But I think quite clear in the last two games. It's a certain set of performance. There is a realisation in what's happened. I think Steve Parrish will be pointing out that this is the season. You can't go down because you don't miss out so much. Also, I think James just said there's a really good point. I think the fans, to a degree, have only just begun to wake up to the fact that we're on the fringes of renegades. Yeah, absolutely. Which is why I think on Sunday, and we talked about this jokingly earlier on in the season before Christmas and just after that perhaps we need to lose a few games and get in the passion back. But I think we didn't meet them. A few. Yeah, yeah. Because it's almost been getting an interesting social experiment to see how many games we could lose before. Before we realised. But I think on Sunday, I suspect we're playing a team that's become a big deal, a big rivalry. Again, that's what I was going to tell you. I think the atmosphere will be there and I think the whole thing will be lifted. But yeah, I think we have drifted into this. And I think that's partly because we lost five or six games and we were still ahead of the horse, still ahead of Chelsea. Oh, yeah, absolutely. We all looked at the lead table when that's fine. We're all definitely right. All the teams will keep losing and now it's only now that we suddenly, it's almost, and I think we will do it. It's almost like Mo Faro whose lead gets down to two yards before he looks around and goes, "Oh, Christ, I need to kick on here." I think we will, I mean, I simply can't, I think we've got enough of a lead with the goal difference. It's very typically palace, isn't it? A lot of people were saying on social media. Do you know that? The other thing is, this is just so palace. There is. It's so palace. Do you know what? There is a certain amount of perverse pride in that. No, absolutely. In that there is. It's like my dad said last night of a bizarrely, since he phoned up for the score, I can't get out of just hearing it on the telecare. It's like they don't have plenty of other ways of fighting that at the score down. But he says, "They can't make it easy, can they, Palace? They have to do it." It's like, yeah, I'm sure West Ham fans are enjoying their lovely run, but it's not. It's not. It is the Palace way. It is the way that you have to make things difficult, but I think we have got enough points to stay out already, and I can't see us not picking up more points, you know, Norwich and Newcastle to come. I know everyone say, "Oh, we've got Liverpool men. You know, I had to come." Well, I don't think we can go after that. But then after that, you know, Newcastle, Norwich, Stowe, South Ham, to the other. I think it would be very palace to go through this 11-game non-winning run and then beat Liverpool. Yeah, it would be, but I've got, you know, as I said last night, I'm really genuinely, I don't know why particularly, but it feels like I'll wait. So I was doing that thing yesterday, when you start to go just at the back of your mind, you go, "It's just playing against different football teams, that's all." It's like, yeah, it's fine. Plenty of grounds I haven't been to in the championship. Yeah, we won't be on telly as much, but you can relax. Keep it in, keep it in. And it's also front of your mind, you go, "No, no." Think about it, but yeah, and then you do start to do that thing where you kind of double-tempting fate and go, "Alright, hang on, I'll try having this cup of tea before the game." I'll try having a glass of wine before, not before the game and anything. And you have to have a talk to yourself, you go, "It's not down to you, is it?" That's really arrogant for you. Actually, my dad actually texted me with the question for you, which was about the pod music. So we've changed the pod music and we changed it back. So it's currently back to the old one. We changed it back to the old one. We changed it back to the old one because you moaned about it and then we lost our home to Bournemouth. So I think my dad's question was, are you willing to accept the pod music? There's absolutely nothing to do with it and we go back to the other one. No, of course he's not. I'm not willing to rule anything in or anything else. We don't know what combination of pod music. It could be that you dropped the pod music game too early, I don't know. Come on. Yeah, it could be that beautiful little cat who just came in from the garden looking bemused. It could be that I gave her the wrong type of cat food the night before we lost the first game. Who knows? I'm not. Do you have any pod music? I haven't heard it. I haven't heard it. You can change it every week as well as I was saying. Just don't tell him. Maybe we will. Maybe we'll change it every week. Just don't tell him because he doesn't miss him anyway. I'm slightly worried that your dad's heard more of the pod than I ever. I'm not going to agree with anything your dad says, am I? Yeah, of course not. He's the man. He is the man. He's the man. He's the dom. Yeah. Right. In the dom. Dom daily. Right. Well, he reads his dad's own question. He's allowed your questions. That's the first time I've ever read a question out from my dad. I know 171 pods, I think. Well, okay. He doesn't say many. He takes them. Right. The next question is from Miles Loden. Hi, Miles. He says, "How much responsibility should pods take for our current run? Has he been naive or arrogant to stick to a style of football that allows us to be open rather than keep it tight, build on draws until we have the squad to play a more expansive style of football?" Oh, good question. Good question. I do think pods you should be taking some of the blame, as he alluded to in that interview earlier on this week. But, you know, as we mentioned in the answer to the last question, you know, I think you can start by doing it by looking as though you're getting a little bit more involved. And, you know, yes, I think you should take some of the blame, you know, and as Newcastle fans and Southampton fans and charter fans will point out, this is what pod you does, you know. I was getting a lot of tweets last night during the game from Newcastle fans not gloating and saying to other all, you know, but saying, this is what happens. This is what happens, you know. This is what he does. There is a lack of... There's a really good article. This is the article on FYP. Yes, from Jamie Smith's Newcastle. Yes, really. I feel that was really good. Picking a part sort of his runner part. I thought it was really good. And there was a lot of similarities. No, I thought that was very good. And that opened my mind a little bit too. And this guy last night on Twitter was talking about the same sort of thing. So, yes, I do think Pardu has got to take some of the blame. They got out of that run out of Newcastle, didn't they? Didn't go down today. No. No, no, no. Never went down on the Pardu. I don't, you know, because, you know, I think we built up so many points as we... Yeah, I keep saying. I think Pardu, the thing with Pardu is he's very quick to take the credit when we do well. Yeah. Even though sometimes it's not necessarily because of things he's done. So, yeah, of course he has to take some of the blame. That's the nature of the management. The style of football is a really interesting one. Yeah. Because he's not a peerless type manager. He never has been. I mean, let's not forget how well we were doing defensively until the Tottenham game, really. Or the Chelsea Tottenham games. Yeah. We were amazed that we'd let three goals in. As we were, even though to be fair, the defense hasn't been playing as well. We're still amazed to be three, you know, down at West Promenade. Yeah. So, the defense was really good. And that's partly down to the midfield. We're not. But, yes, there is that element. Pardu's always said he'd rather win and draw. Yes. He always said that. There are games that certainly, you know, born with what? You know, no, back and down the hatches, which we would have done under Pewley. Yeah. So, having said that, the fans take a little bit of the blame for that as well. Because, you know, as you can see, West Promenade fans now, their first half against us was a one-off. West Promenade fans have been moaning about the style of football all season. If we'd done that, if Pardu had done that and carried on doing that, we'd be moaning about that style of football as well. So, it's kind of, we were all pleased that we were playing a bit more expansive football. And he did say when he came in. He did. We're going to be more expensive. We're going to do some games. And he said, we'll concede. We'll concede. We'll concede goals. So, yeah, we... But that doesn't excuse the fact that you're going on an 11-game... No, it doesn't. Or that first half of West Promenade. Yeah, no, it doesn't. But it also, as you said, that first half of West Promen, the game at Villa, out of 11 games, there were only like two hours, or two and a half, three hours, in which we were really, really bad. The rest, you could ask, second half, what for the women at the better side? Bournemouth, we didn't play particularly well, but we could easily do. It's not like we were, it's not, we're not Villa. It's just we did a certain certain circumstance. Maybe that had some more to the frustration. Yeah, it does. And remember, we didn't lose, we had lost all those, those games. If we were counting a bad run from Bournemouth and so on, the points were picked up. Yeah. And yes, it does add to the frustration, because we're a better team than we thought. But also bear in mind that we were short of players at that time. So yes, it is, the bottom line is always the manager's fault. It's the way for us. Well, you know, I don't know, I tend to ask. It's always the manager that will take the blame. I think after a run that we've had, I think you can look at all aspects of the club without being too dramatic. You know, from the fans to the players to the manager, I think we've all got Harbour a little bit of blame. Yes, but also as well. Yeah, absolutely. The crowd as well, yeah. No, no, no, no. Pressure we put on. But also the other thing is you don't know what part you does on the training ground in the dressing. You don't know how much he's done to keep morale up when the, you know, it's possible that under a different manager or a lesser manager, we would have, we would have lost all those games by a big margin and have confidence. We do hear constantly from inside the club that they are very close and tight and the atmosphere is still good despite their run. Yeah. Yeah. And don't forget the cup run. And, you know, as I've said before, the second half performance in the last two games indicates they're not a squad in crisis. Exactly. Okay. Next question's from Russell Levy. Hi, Russell. He says, "Do you know where I can get some pills which will make the rest of the season more bearable?" Yeah, yeah. I do. They're really good, actually. And if we order a job lot, I'll get them quite cheap. Yeah. Or if the other option is we know we can get some pills that will knock you out for the rest of the season. Yeah, maybe that's the way you are with the good news or bad news. Speaking of end of the season, then, Jack Pierce says, "If you were Didier Deschamps, would you take Johann to the Euros? And if you were Roy Hodgson, would you take Will?" No, no. No, no, I think, yeah. I agree with that. I think, you know, I wonder whether Kebai, in the last few games, has had an indication from Didier Deschamps that he's not going to the Euros. Good point. Good point. Because one of the reasons he's... Do you not think we don't know? No, no, I don't. Because it's one of the reasons... That's very good. That's good. But one of the reasons... Could answer a lot of questions. It could do. Because one of the reasons that he was so keen to come from the league football was able to get really, really fit and was to get noticed. And I think, and to get into the France team, and I wonder whether he's been, or he thinks himself, that's not going to happen. Wolf, I don't... a fully firing Wolf, I would say, absolutely, but I'd think... Actually, maybe the answer to that question I should change to is, oh, I would, but he won't, if you see it on the inside. Wolf has stepped up, hasn't he? The problem is, and we've said this before, he's stepped up, but no one's noticed because he's stepped up in a team that's been struggling. In fact, it's as well, I think, from Hodgson's point of view, Wolf's got a lot of actual problems that he needs to rectify, which apparently I think he has done. But Hodgson doesn't... No, I don't think Hodgson will take the risk with him. I think it has a wild card. I think it has a really good... But Wolf is exciting and frustrating within the space of two or three minutes every game. And I was watching the game last night on some dodgy stream. And there was bits that I was just like, you go on, Wolf, yes, at the same time, something that's so naive. And I was saying to my son, Travis, who's been on the pub before, I was saying, "How naive?" And he just looked and said, "Dad, he's played over 200 games. You're not naive when you play over 200 games." And he's true, we often give this, we say this about Wolf, but he's young, no, no. And I think he's got it in him. There's some bits that I started where he's going past players, but it's just that final bit, it's always that final little bit. But anyway, it's saying that, he's still exciting, but I don't think I should have thought of it. I think he's earned a call-up in the last season. Bear in mind, who else has been called up to friendlies in the last season? He's earned that definitely. I agree, I agree. Because I think he goes to the Euros as difficult. But I mean, it would be lovely to see Wolf giving a chance in a team that's got Harry Kane in it. Yeah. But I think the other problem with Wolf is that he's not... I don't think Hodgson would see him as an impact. So, whereas if Palazzi was English, he'd be in the scroll without a doubt. Yeah. And he wouldn't start, but you'd have him on the bench. If you're one-nil down, you'd bring Palazzi on for the last 20 minutes. I don't think Wolf, I don't think football sees Wolf as a game-changing player like that. Not when you've got a player like Ali who's around now. Yeah. And also, I think in a way, Wolf has sort of suffered a little bit from the responsibility he has taken on, which he has done. He's been much more responsible defensively. Yeah. No, he has. And that, of course, doesn't showcase what the reason he would be picked for the England team. He's not the flying winger that he... The West Brom... If Hodgson was at the West Brom game earlier in the season, at the home game, and if Wolf would play like that every week, then you'd say, "Yeah, of course he wouldn't be." But he wasn't, and he hasn't. No. So... I don't... I still think there's a potential England career. Have it even allowed for the fact he has played that many games. He's still very young. He's still very young. He's still very young. No, he's not even that young. Definitely got a chance though. He's still... Yeah. Okay. Last couple of questions, then. Okay. There's still one from Wayne Hart, Loveless. Hi, Wayne. Hi, Wayne Hart, Loveless. Jedi. Yes. Can't pass. Yeah, no. Can't tackle. Yeah. Can't run. Mm-hmm. And can't track. But can head the ball and foul. Yeah. What does he bring to the team? Well, pretty much the second, the last two things you mentioned. I... I worry now. Whenever I... Whenever the ball goes to general, I worry. He's still getting away, isn't he? And I never used to... Three years later, still getting away. He's still getting away. But he has got... Somebody came on that side. There's something in the final. There's something there... If you keep the ball away from him... (LAUGHTER) No, you know what I mean? He's... He's got a very nice beard now. He's been to enjoy lately length as well. So that's impressive. The other players clearly like him. He's got a present. He's got a presence about him. Captain again last night. Captain again last night. He's still really good. Without the ball, he's a really good player still. He still can break up. Yeah, he can still break up. And he's still... He's tackling his... But... He knew exactly... He was a perfect purist. But he knew exactly what he had to do under purists. Yeah. He had to break up other teams. Certainly that run against Bournemouth. He wouldn't have done that against him. His purists would have walked on the pitch and... (LAUGHTER) ...tracked it up. ...smacked it on the knees with a ruler and told him... (LAUGHTER) But he knew exactly what his job was under purists. So he did not argue about it? I don't think he... No, I don't think... No, probably not. We talked about this. There are indications when Pargy first came in and... ...Jedi was away and then he got sent off against West Tam. And indications were that Pargy thought he slowed everything down. And I think he does for Pargy because Pargy wants the ball moved quicker. And I think he knew what he was doing under purists. His job was to break up play and give the ball straight away to somebody who could do something with it. I'll be at quite a lot of time. I was knocking it back to Delaney who did what he was told to do and hit that cross-field ball. But... ...Jedi Nat... The thing is... ...Jedi Nat's always been better than he actually is in the terms of... It took Geno a year to get used to the pace of the championship. Yeah, yeah. And when we went up in the playoffs, he was one of those players. None of us, I don't think, expected to be playing the Premier League. So I actually think he's over-achieved. And also, he can't... He's still captain of his country and his country is not too under-thing the rankings. His country is a proper football... Yeah, they do, aren't they? So there is something there. But then again, let's be honest. If he hasn't done it, it's been fourteen months since he was away in... ...the Asian Cup and then he got sent off against... Yeah, yeah, I agree. ...my Sam. Under Pardue, he's never really done anything. So, you know, as a man city fan sent to me the other day who was bemoaning the fact that... ...Pelly Greener had not picked Joe Hart saying there's no room for sentiment in... ...model football, which of course I left about. Yeah. I think we could say the same about Jedi. It's just like, you know, he said, "Yeah, okay." I think he proved, last night, there's not a lot going on there at the moment, you know? And we all love Jedi, we love what he's done, he's overachieved, he'll always be a palace player at heart. But go to China, make yourself some money, mate, because there's a lot of laws into home and let's move on. And I think that's a, you know, I think, you know, an odd shake of that. Sadly, go with others. Sadly, yeah, go with others. Go with others. It's been fourteen months now. Yeah. It's not going to happen. It's not coming back. Thank you for the memory. Yeah, thank you. I think I was probably... ...and probably his last... And I will wipe the tip from my eyes, I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean, I'm probably his last defender on the podium now. I don't panic as much as everybody else does. But the worrying thing for me is not so much how good Jedi is, but why is he's keeping other people out of the... ...when you've got ledli, they're boating, they're... ...they're much in the past, much getting into it. Why suddenly is Jedi an option? Jedi shouldn't be an option anymore. But that worries me a little bit. That he isn't. I suspect if you were to talk to other professional footballers... ...so you haven't applied, I'm one of them. I suspect if you... I suspect if you were to talk to professional footballers, they would have maybe a different opinion of him than we do. I think clearly, in terms of leadership, as I said, the younger players, the other players still really like him. In terms of leadership, he clearly... I think he has good stats as well. I think Jedi, even after last night's game, Charis was telling me, he had some of the best stats now. I don't know, because I don't read all the stats. And we know Alan Pargill likes his stats, and we know a lot of things are stat-led in the modern game. You watch the game, and I don't care what the stats are. There's nothing going on there. He's just become very average, pebbley player, but he had more than average. In that position, he's something a little bit more average. Yeah, he won't be there, but that's the vital phrase in that position. Because, again, he looks at one of those players who, under-pulist, knew exactly what his position was. And now doesn't, because he's roaming much more than he is. We all know he can't do that. That's what I'd say, just stick him in front of the back four. If you want to make him the holding player, but he's not doing that. He's doing other stuff. Because I suspect if he was just the holding midfield player, he hasn't got any pace. I don't cross the halfway line. If you want to talk about shutting up shop, keeping whatever it is when they're attacking it, then let him do that. But it just seems that, and whether it's part of you lack of goal, I don't know. But it's not entirely Jedi's thought, I don't think, because I think, as I say, he's always over-achieved. And, again, like Hennessy, I suspect he's one of the players who just won't be there next season. And, yeah, God love him. Hennessy, I think, will be there next season, to be fair. Well, he may be there. I don't think he'll be first to us goalkeeping this season. It's going to be a very interesting summer, actually, I think. It has to be interesting. It could be interesting in the wrong way. But, yes, I think that sentiment thing is really interesting, because I think that the championship team has to be broken up now to be perfect. And I include, and I hate to say this, I include Delaney in that as well. Yeah, I agree. Possibly Joel Ward. Possibly Joel as well. I think, you know, we have to move on. We've got to move on. I think we've got ourselves in... I'm not going to say in words, because that sounds too negative. It's not a rut, and I don't want to be negative about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I think we've got to... Let's start addressing these problems before they become real problems. And we could all see little glimmers of it. Yeah. And we're still clinging on. We're still clinging on to this five years ago when it really went out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're still clinging on to the facts. Oh, imagine if we saw this beginning of the season. We'd be all right. We'd be all right. We'd cling on. Let's be realistic about this. Let's just move forward. Yeah. Things have got to change. But let's do it in a positive way, rather than doing it in a negative way. Yes. And I think that's the thing to do. I'm probably the most sentimental. And I've got off my soapbox. Yeah. I know. I'm probably the most sentimental of all. The Hallows fans here. And I tend to cling. You know, as is the Clara and Blue kit. I do. You know, you heard the things. Yeah, exactly. But even I think we've also got to lose this attitude. The world's team was good enough to keep us up two seasons running. This team was good enough to keep us up three seasons running there for. We only have to add a couple of bits and pieces. We don't. I personally think... But lastly, Zahar, Wickham, Dan, possibly Kebai, possibly Carfa. The only players that you could say should definitely be there. No, I think you're up. Sorry, possibly. But we need changes. We need a much stronger. We need players that aren't going to play regularly. We need better score players. And we need a better starting level. And it's possible to achieve. Yes. Yes. That's the thing. In the past, it's not being possible. It's definitely possible. That's not all that you just said is a good group of players. That's a very good group of players. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, they are a good group of players. Anyway, if you keep delaying that, but, you know, delaying is not getting any younger. And that is a good group. But, you know, it's really interesting as well. I don't know if you saw there's a big article in the standard with Parrish and Pardew. So they've expanded their foreign coaching staff. But I think they've doubled it, I think. And they're looking to do what was... What's 3 now? Well, they're looking. They're looking. They've got... We've got permanent people in Africa. They're looking at Belgian French football. They're looking to do what was time and have a closer time. Yeah. And less to do. Bring in players that we've... Unless you're Travis, we haven't heard of. Yeah. We turn out to be. Because what we need, we genuinely really need... And again, I hate to say this because it should be all about flavour. But we need a counter. We need a... Yes. We need a player who's going to play every game. Yeah. Box to box. Just break it. You barely notice what he does. He just breaks up. We really need that. And MacArthur has been a guy in the car. He's not that... MacArthur's more... Yeah. He's got elements of it. Yeah. I like it. Yeah, we do. But I'd like to see MacArthur as a more creative player. Yeah. We need a genuine creative player. We need somebody to provide goals and score goals for midfield. Yeah. Yeah, we do. I think we can... Potentially could be the answer. It could be... And I think we're starting to find out why Pardier was so keen to bring him. Yeah. I agreed. But the sentiments it has to go. We need to change it. Okay. We also need to change parts of the pod into part three. But before we do that, I've got one more question. Oh. And that is from Matt Phillip Harris. Hi Matt. That's Phillip Harris. He says, "If you could choose a family motto for Palace to get written under the crest on the shirt, what would it be?" Yeah. Don't do that. That's what my... Well, over the letters for the... Don't do that is... That would be my... The Palace family motto. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Um... God love them. God love them. Typical Palace. Yeah. So Palace. So Palace. So Palace. So Palace. So Palace. Good. Right. So thank you very much for your questions. Listeners in part three. We're going to go back in this week. Back in time for that. So do you want us to know a bit? So do you want us to know a bit? Welcome back to this week's Five Year Plan podcast. Oh! Sponsored by Vecta Printing for all your printing embroidery needs. Go to Vecta.co.uk. That's Vecta Wither. Okay. Correct. And JCIS, the Global Research and Brand Consultancy from South London. Visit JC-IS.com. I will. I'm good. Very enthusiastic that one. I am. Good. It's time for in this week where we go back in time to look at some things that happened in Palace's history during this week. For the bloke in the pours, as you keep saying, we don't actually go back in time. No. We probably should change that. Yes. We don't, obviously, fiddly. Eventually go back in time. We pick a book up and say we check what happens. We figuratively go back in time. Yeah. Well, we don't even do that. JD picks up my book. I've lent him. He only goes up to 2008 as well. Yeah. So, we missed out the last eight years of Palace's history. We're not a lot happened anyway, so it doesn't matter. That's a good point. Wednesday the 2nd of March. It's not stacked together, obviously. Yeah. Wednesday the 2nd of March, 1977. Oh. Oh. That's a great point. That's a great point. Who made their debut for Palace in a 3-2 defeat away at Lincoln? Jeff Paul. No. Went on to be one of Palace's best ever players. No, Jeff Paul. Kenny Samson. Oh, no. Kenny Samson's debut was at Grimsby. He talked about it over there. Is that even there? Wing oven. Finn to that. Finn to that. Oh, wow. Who made his debut for Palace 2nd of March, 1977? He was... Wow. He wouldn't get near a football team now because of his size. He was so slight. Yeah. It was a different game then, wasn't it? No, it was, but he could be. He was really infuriating. Now, oddly, now, people of our generation will be going, "Ah, I know exactly who's going to mention now." Because the four mentioned many times, Jerry Murphy and Vince Lehr had an almost telepathic relationship, but only once and three games. Right. It's got a bad ratio. It's got a bad ratio. There were times when some of the passes from Murphy to Vince Lehr, and some Vince Lehr against Brighton was always... He always raised his game against Brighton. Good, man. He was a really nice bloke as well, and obviously, again, there weren't that many... It's just when black players were starting to sort of make an impact. There weren't that many black players in this so-called suffered dreadfully from... Jerry Murphy. Yeah, Jerry Murphy's. But you talk to him now, he's very dignified and on Raw. He was really genuinely nice bloke, and he was a really... Where does he rank in palaces? We include Balassie and Wolf in here, and Balassie's best-ever wingers. Oh, it's really hard. It's hard. It's hard. It's fairly high. Yeah. If you put Don Rogers and Balassie together, Balassie's 15 yards quicker than he is. But then again, Balassie might not be able to do any sort of pitches. Yeah, it's definitely, I mean, Peter Taylor, Don Rogers, Vince. Vince has got to be up there without a doubt. Yeah. And arguably, in terms of crossing and goal scored, probably... I mean, comparators are hard before he's comparing to Balassie, simply because of the physique. Yeah. Simply because of the frustration quality, because Vince was a little show-boat sometimes. Vince was another of those who would beat people in... We all like our show-boat. We do. We've always had a thing at Palace. We were always proud of ourselves on Wingplay, but in that team, I mean, that was... I suppose you'd consider him almost a luxury player, really. But he was lucky enough to start playing for Palace when we were really good. And then he looked a little bit out of place when we were really bad and moved on with less success at Leeds and in Portsmouth. He was a... Speaking of Palace Bryan, as you brought up, then, because he's been so obviously famously scored a couple of goals against Bryan. I don't know if I mention this, but Robert Eaton Memorial Fund has been... Have I told you? Andy Johnson. Andy Johnson, did I mention it? Yeah, he did. Oh, OK. So that's the main... I hear nothing else in my house. Yeah. Of course, Travis has been in the score. Monday, May the 3rd. Travis has scored. He's been called up. He actually thinks he's playing, so... So that's Monday, May the 30th. It used to be at Lewis's Tripping Pan Stadium. It's now at the Amex. Oh, nice one. Yeah, they've upgraded to the Amex, so... That's good. AJ will be playing four Palace at... Get App right and... Love you again. That's really good. And it's... Yeah, Monday, May the 30th, six o'clock kickoff, five pan tickets for adults, three for kids, and it all goes to Robert Eaton Memorial Fund. You think we'll be there for that? I'll be there for that. I think it's a bank holder, isn't it? I think it is Monday, Monday, Monday and Monday. But hopefully, having AJ in the score, we'll not only bring more people to the gate, hopefully, but we'll get a win for Palace as well, because it's time to time they won. We haven't won for a couple of years, so... Probably because I've been in the score. Yeah. Yeah, we weren't going to say something, but yes, that is the reason why. Well, I never missed a penalty, though. We've had loads of shootouts, never missed a penalty, so... Ready to take one. If you scored some goals, we wouldn't need a shoot at all. Too fair, I've scored three goals over the years. Last goal, scored two out of nine, straight from the corner. Straight from the corner. So, it's more a keeping error than anything. Right! Tuesday 7th of March, 1995. Oh... What did Chris Armstrong do? That wasn't a score to go against Wolves in the year fake up. Nope. Did he sign for... No. He sent off. No. Go and go. No. It was something away from the pitch. Oh! He smoked, he's joined. Yeah. Oh, did he? He became the first Premier League player to fail a drugs test to be suspended. Yeah. Was he the first one? Apparently. He was. He was. That's three years old, but yeah. First one to get cool. First one to get cool, yeah. Wow. Yeah. There you go, but again, another fun... What a player he was for Palace. People remember him for the drugs test, but I mean, he was a... He was a great player as well. He was a great player as well. Still our top goals were in Premier League. Isn't Premier League? I don't know. That's interesting. Wow. I think so. That's a mad fact. He had a... Well, he was another frustrating one in there. He would say, whatever you do, don't shoot for me. Oh, he's good. Yeah. What are you doing, you idiot? Oh! But he had the error of predictability batting as well, which is what we... Yeah. And confidence. Very confident. Very confident. Yeah. Then again, because he went to Tottenham. He was never caught in half a minute. Didn't he play for England? Did he get picked for England? I can't remember. I don't think so. He thought he should. But he was, yeah, again. He was a good player. Crikey. He was a good player. Yeah. But there was some great pitch time a few years later with Dreds. Remember? Yeah. Yeah. They had like a throwing stone at Dreds. Yeah. Funny that. Weird. That one, isn't it? Oh, good. What a player. Good. Okay. It's a good joke. Oh. Oh. Right. He didn't know he was doing anything. I didn't know. Well, part four, of course, we're going to look forward to Palace vs Liverpool. So, join us in a bit. Welcome back to this week's five-year plan podcast. Hey! Pod 1-7-1. Wow. What's that lot in there? Where's the time gone? Where has it gone? Okay. It's a serious pod numbers now. It sounded in 71 weeks in, I think, four years. We haven't been doing it every week. You don't do it every week. We always do it every fortnight. We always do it every fortnight. Yeah. And then back in the championships. Well, in the championships. Yeah. And then we upped it for the Premier League. The things always change the Premier League. Premier League. Right. What's my fault? No. We've got sponsors. We've got sponsors. It's part four. It's been a long pod. Vector printing, of course. Of course, are our sponsors. Yeah. And their website is vector.co.uk. And of course, that's vector weather. Okay. And they have some very sexy, exclusive FIP t-shirts available for sale, which we all have one. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, we do. There's two. There's an FIP one with the logo, which looks lovely. 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I will visit that. You've been promising that everywhere. But I do. In fact, after this pod, I'm going to get on the 109 in Brixton. And they're based in Brixton. There you go. There you go. He's all of that branding now. Yeah. He unpits them. Yeah. They end as brand. Right. Right. Part four, we look forward to the next game. And it's a big game for Palace. We've come out of that run of winnable games that we talked about a few months ago. Yeah. We've two points. We've now got Liverpool at home. But if we're talking about winnable games, our record against Liverpool. I mean, we are there, but you think that's a couple of years. Yes. So, is it-it looks like they're learning pods. Is it a sort of game that Palace will pull a result out and everything will be alright? Yes, it is. It is. You're a short answer. It is. And it-you know, as we said earlier on, I hopefully-it's our-it's our Harper's One Kickoff I think on Sunday. Yeah. So, it's, you know, it's a good time. It'll be-everybody's going to be excited. It's Liverpool. It's always a big game against Liverpool. It always has been, you know, it's always good playing one of the big four or whatever you want to call them. It'll be a great game. And, you know, I think we should be encouraged as well by the performance last night against Sunderland and the second half of the performance goes west Brom. I know it's been going bad recently, but I think we should be encouraged by it. And we need to just-I think it's going to be a great game. Every-what to it. Every single prediction I've made about upcoming games has turned out to go tits up. So, I am saying nothing. Personally, it's my inability to predict what should happen. It's-it's-the one thing we can guarantee is it-I think it'll-but possibly the first time this season it'll be the old tellest atmosphere, I think. And with any luck, results will have gone our way the day before, and we'll-that will take a little bit of pressure off. You know, as if we go into that game, ten points ahead of the other teams, and we've nine games to go, then you're looking fine. Liverpool got many nights coming up in the UEFA Cup. They didn't-the atmosphere, as I say, looked pretty tense amongst them after. There's a lot of complaints that have been profound about why Sturridge and Milner didn't take. In the Cup final. Pay penalties in the Cup final. They've got a tricky game tonight against Man City. Their selection will be interesting. And also, they, you know, I don't think Cloth will make it any different. They won't look forward to coming to Sellers Park. Is this some yeoven Cloth's first visit to Sellers to Tissen? Yeah, and his first visit-his first clash with Palace, what's the thing? Yeah, and he's-what did he say about Palace, then? It wasn't his first go. He said he didn't know much about us. No, but also, remember that-it was that Intu, did it earlier in the season, where they'd won-they hadn't lost for like nine games apart from the one game. Yeah. And he said, "F***ing Crystal Boroughs." Yeah. And it was something-in a German accent rather than what I last did. It was against us that he complained about the fans leaving and then- Yes, it was. But yeah, I-you wouldn't put it past Palace to do it. And I think, in a way, probably I'm glad that we're playing arguably better teams again, because we do tend to lift our game. It'd be interesting to see how we approach it, but- Well, they-we've talked four out of fours about mentality of players going into games where they don't win often, so that'll be playing on, you know, our record games Liverpool play on them and also, crucially, Balassie's now back. Yeah, yeah. And Liverpool hate playing against Yannick Balassie. They do. And we've only-I've got a feeling that probably Bentaki will start rather than, I think he'll save storage probably for it. And I don't care what people say about it being professional footballers with a game against Manu coming up, which Liverpool found to be much more wanting to win than against Palace. Because I don't think Liverpool-I know they joke about us being their bogey team, but I think Liverpool take us that seriously in terms of their firm of rivals. Yeah. And you'd argue, hopefully, Bentaki started woodworking our favour. He hasn't got that mobility again. I've now made sure that Bentaki was- He was strong, yeah. Thanks, Kevin. Yeah, but you know- But the thing is impossible to predict now, so- Yeah, it's-yeah. But the only thing I'm really pleased about is I think the atmosphere will be- and as long as Clattenberg's not referee, we should be- I have no idea who referee is. We should be-no, we don't. I'm generally looking forward to the club on the- Yeah, I was well. And I think it might agitate Pardu a little bit, because Pardu did go head-to-head-fimmer. Yeah, I thought it was a lovely photo of him. Yeah, it's a shout-out one. Yeah, it's a shout-out one. So, I think it'll be a good volatility for him. In terms of Palace team selection, who do you- I mean, I know we're limited in midfield, but- I know it's probably led me back in for Jedi. I think it will be the same- It's a lot of fun, it was last night, to be honest, to start with. I can't seem to change that much. I think he'll start with- I think the-yeah, depending on whether it's a hard-to-fit. Do you think he'll start with Jedi again? I think he'll start with Jedi again. I think he'll start with Jedi again. I think he'll start with Jedi again. I think he'll start with Jedi. I think he'll start with Jedi. He'll be perfectly honest, but- I'd like to think he would. But we think-I mean, we think the rest of the team, much has probably earned his place, isn't he? I think-I absolutely-I was never as down on much as other people were. But yes, he certainly has earned his place at the moment. He's the one that seems to be aware of his position more than the other two at the moment. So yeah, I think much deserves his- Adam, on the bench, I think, has his and, you know, maybe coming on with 15-20 minutes to go. Yeah. Just so you're depending on how far we are ahead. Yeah. Oh, well, you've both ruined it there, you've both ruined it. But I think, yeah, it's a game to look forward to. It's just one of those games you never know with Palace. It's one of those games the reason, you know, it's one of those games that we're glad that we're in the Premier League, you know. It's one of those games you never know with Palace. It's one of those games that we're glad that we're in the Premier League, you know. It's one of those games you never know with Palace. It's one of those games that we're in the Premier League. Yeah, and it's one of those games that we're in the Premier League. Yeah, and it's one of those games that we're in the Premier League. Yeah, and it's one of those games you never know with Palace. It's one of those games that we're in the Premier League, you know. They're not as big as they are, they're still a good side. You look at their squad, they've got some cracking players, especially up front. Yeah, yeah. And our home record isn't good. So, you know, if you're a professional gambler, you wouldn't be putting money on Palace to win it. Mine never but on Palace. But that's the beauty of football. Well, I was astonished. Somebody tweeted me to say, "This might be my fault." Because on New Year's Day, they put 20 quid on Palace to go down to 80 to ones. No way! I was like, "I'm not going to name him, isn't it?" "Of course it's your fault, mate." Well, this is definitely your fault. Well, there you go. We found it. It wasn't you and the cat. No, it was you. That guy was that guy. So, I told him that he had to put money on every other team in the Premier League, going down there as well. So, hopefully he did that half-time last night. But the thing about the Premier League is it's not the best league in the world technically, but it is in terms of excitement and in terms of unpredictability. Yes. And you just, you can't, you know, this is Italian football, Spanish football. You'd say, "No, we haven't got a chance against an exercise." But for all sorts of factors, we have the weather's apparently going to be bad. The weather's apparently going to be bad in a weekend. Live on TV, you know. It's, you know, it's the other day when we were on Sky Sports on Saturday. And I was saying to my fan, I said, "If you're not a fan of either these two teams, Wes Bronze, Wallace, why would you say, "Oh, I'll fight." But on Sunday lunchtime, if you're not a fan of Liverpool or Palace, and you're a football fan, you'll know the history. Exactly. And you'll go, "I'm watching that game. I'm watching that. That is going to be, that's potentially going to be a cracker." Exactly. And that's what's exciting about it. And also when we beat them last season, we were coming off a pretty poor run. Warnock was manager. Yeah. And we beat them 3-1, went 1-0 down, beat them 3-1, deserved to beat them. Yeah. And that came out of nowhere. Yeah, it did. Yeah, yeah. Good. Well, let's hope there's more of that for Sunday. And you know, we have the players to do it. We've got the players to do it. We really do. We're not dreaming here. Yeah. No. We actually have the players certainly will not be a massive shock if we do beat Liverpool. Anyone. It's first thing in the morning, so we could still be dreaming. I should just take you to still be dreaming. It isn't even 10 o'clock in the morning. I've been up for way too long. But good. Okay. Well, you're here for my listeners. Oh, we'll be back after the Liverpool Games talk about whatever happened to that. But thank you, Kevin and James. You're welcome. You're welcome. Not at all. List us. Thank you very much for listening. And we'll see you soon. Goodbye. This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. [BLANK_AUDIO]
So close to finally a Palace win in 2016 but Sunderland grabbed a late equaliser to deny the Eagles all three points at the Stadium of the Light. Jim, Kevin and Andy are in situ to discuss that and the defeat at West Brom a few days earlier as well as preview the visit of Liverpool and ask if Yohan Cabaye is undroppable.
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