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They will. Speaking of something from nothing, Palace got their first point of 2016. The first team, or the last team of any English league team, to get a point in 2016. One of the most meaningless stats ever, though. It's not really, it's 92 clubs. 91 clubs have got a point in it before it's about four games. It's the sort of stat that Gary Lincoln got told in his years, just before match the day started, and couldn't wait to share it and everyone shared it. It's totally meaningless, it's got to say, point in the set. It was in March, you go, "Yeah, that's not good, but it's just the first one." If it's March, I would have figured some credence towards that. It's also the first point, since we last played Swansea. Well, it is, exactly, yeah. So can we play them every week, though, I want to say? It's the first time Scott Dan scored an equaliser after Sigursson scored a free kick in the first half. Yeah, really, that's a good stat as well, that was sharing that one around. Well, we're on stats then, and also, before that, the five-game losing run played Pardhu, the first manager to have a five-game losing streak with three different Premier League teams. Well, that sounds more like a stat for last week than this week, to be honest. Well, I'm sorry, that's not good enough. Stat the sample size isn't big enough. Of course it's not. I mean, we've got to extend it backwards from 1992, otherwise it's too restrictive. And what does it mean anyway? I wonder if Alan Pardhu saw Paul Clement being a set from Derby after losing six games away. Cool. Okay, well, a little chance. Can I offer you this, then, off the back of Palace's doggy performance, I think it's fair to say, have Palace turned a corner, or started to turn a corner? So I have to start. It's far too early to say. I was more delighted with that point, and I thought, I knew we were losing at half-time, and then I was busy, so I didn't know what happened to a five o'clock, and I couldn't have been more pleased. I was celebrated like, so we'd won. I thought that was really important. And also, quite, it felt, in a strange sort of way, like a log jam being removed, and clearly, the way Pardhu was afterwards, and the way the players were afterwards. Clearly, something happened at half-time that was very significant, and clearly, the way Pardhu was talking, the way someone plays was taught, and they had words of spoken, and basically, what happened was it was a pureless Palace in the second half. By the sound of things, it was through circumstances and players being missing it, we went back 4-4-2, we went back to doing what we had to do. We went back to being Palace. Yeah, we went back to what we had to do two seasons running to stay up, and if we have to do that for a couple of games, I don't think that's a problem. And I think we've talked about it on the pod, saying that perhaps we should pull in and pull out the drawbridge a little bit and be a little less expansive and do what it takes to get a point, and, you know, and get an act, and could I see the world together, and 4-4-2 seems to work well together. And it looked like you were there, but I've been looking at extended highlights. It looked like it was the old Palace, everyone was working well together. Positionally, they knew what they were doing. They were throwing themselves in front of the board, there was a lot of blocks, a lot of, and also the big bonus of Bo-Teng looking like it belonged to Nick to Winnow at the end. Very unlucky, not to hurt. So I was really chuffed with that performance, and that was before I knew that we were the only team out of 92, and that's a bit disappointing. So imagine how delighted it was when I found that now. Well, it was a typical Palace performance in some ways, in that the first half was so bad that I was tempted to take up watching another sport or a team myself to try to Palace. It was the last. It was the last. It was the last one, is it? It was the one, yeah. And they came out after the second, after the half-time for the second half, with, you know, just a renewed vigour, an albeit it or an albeit, they're only asked if it's going to happen. Thank you very much. We got asked if we were on commission for an lifetime, if we say albeit or albeit on the pod, no, we're not, unfortunately. We came out... Oh, someone had also tweeted saying, "Can we go through a hot board without saying albeit or aggression to mean?" So we've broken up with it. No, we can't. No, no. Yeah, like, it was a very stolen second half, renewed sort of vigour and a lot more pace to the Palace performance. And although the remainder of the half was a little bit sort of back to the wall kind of job, it was the first time there seemed to be some sort of pace and purpose of our Palace in recent weeks, even though it only lasted for about 10 minutes, it only really needed to. So, yeah, very much. One thing I've spoken about in recent pods is the lack of resilience there's seen to be with Palace and the doggedness in defence in the sort of game since the year. And for once that had actually returned, which was great to see. The second half was very much like old Palace, you know, challenges flying in, lasting tackles, although sometimes because of defensive mistakes haven't been made, but there was no shortage of sort of commitment or desire or the sort of things that have sometimes not been there this year. I think it probably helped by going one-nil down as well. I think going in at half-time, whatever was said, Palace always played better when the look against the wall, we always do. And I just think going in at half-time, one-down, so again, we... We haven't increased, and in recent weeks, though. Do we see, we talked about this last week, we all... I know your young son was here, it's like being in a time machine, you know, but... It was amazing listening to that podcast, actually, realizing that my son can actually string her centres together. He said that the first time he heard you doing it. Really? Yeah, he was really proud that his dad could string her centres together. I can't... They didn't have David Bowie in it, but I think we talked about... We talked about the Bournemouth game, for example. As soon as Bournemouth equalised, we looked like we could see another goal. That's gone from... I mean, you're talking about Palace up to a sort of October, you're absolutely right, and that's incredible. And very much as long as you were on a decent little run, there were two wins and a drawers since either side of the new manager coming in. So it was a good result. And as we said before, considering Newcastle won and Liverpool, and London got a point, it was a decent point. But I just think it was kind of forced upon us in a sense, because Jeddonak and Cabay aren't going to get for it. It's like we're kind of forced to play almost Miss out midfield the way we discussed on the last podcast, and put in Shemaq up front with Alibi or... Yeah, Shemaq's quite versatile, so it's not always a straightforward 4-4-2, but it just means you miss out. You don't try and play through midfield as we have been doing a little bit. And let's be fair. We've all argued that punching should have had a rest for a long time, and the fact that he's had to have a rest. - It's probably helped. - It's probably helped a little bit, because he's clearly under a lot of pressure. His nak he's played every game, he's expended a lot of energy, so it's helpful. MacArthur being out looked like it was a disaster before that game, but as I say, we're Jeddonak playing well, much played well. We'll count Bo-10 coming in. It looks like we have a bit of... - There were a lot of positives from the game, not only getting the points, I think it was a positive performance. - Yeah, I think we've got to be careful, though. - Oh my God. - Because you're a lawyer. Because I'm a lawyer and I'm billing you for this. Well, I thought, off the ball, the game passed Jeddonak by at times again, although he was great with some of the sort of rear guard action at the very, very end, there were certain times where, yeah, again, against the team like Swansea, he was being passed around far too easily. He did give away that free kick just for the end as well. Li-Tun Young put in one of the worst single first half performances that I think I'd ever seen from a Crystal Palace footballer in the first half. Gave Swari so little protection, he kind of wondered what his purpose even was on the pitch. Jordan Marchlett lost in the middle in the first half. Although Shumak did come on and make a couple of sort of canny touches and so forth, he looked a little bit off the pace at times as well. So, I mean, the outcome was great. I don't think the performance level was that much better than in recent weeks, which is now completely contradicting what I'd said only about five minutes ago about resilience, which is also fantastic. I don't think the performance is as important as the point. I mean, I don't think our performances have been that bad. Yeah, that's really, let's be honest. Our performances have not actually been that bad to Villar and Bournemouth, maybe, but the fact that at least we've complained long and hard in the podium during the bad run about him not making changes. So at least he made the changer half time, he saw what you saw, and bringing Shumak on wasn't necessarily the most obvious change. I don't think there were other things he could have done. He could have more voting on then and pushed somebody else out. Why did he do that? But so that was a positive change. And Shumak, basically, you've got Shumak and Eddie Boyle, both going to be off the pace because they've both missed a lot of first team football. But match the day too highlighted. There's a couple of moments when Eddie Boyle still got the physical strength from when the match fitness comes up to match. I think I'm certainly more hopeful, despite what he said about it before, it's not been brilliant. I'm much more hopeful than I was. This time last week, I didn't think we'd go down this time last week. I was generally worried about the shape of the rest of the season. I'm less so now on that. And there is no logic to be a less so now off the back of a point away from home. I mean, speaking of shape, I thought it was, and you sort of hit it towards it there anyway, Kevin. But it was encouraging to see Pigeon markedly changing the approach in game, which we can play about time and time again. You know, even though both Eddie Boyle and Shumak did look a little bit rusty, it was fundamentally a very different way of playing in that second half to how we've been approaching things in the first half, even with sort of where Wilf was operating. He was sometimes coming a little bit more narrow to try and support those two. We weren't just trying to bomb down the wings. It was a markedly different way of playing the game. And Pigeon hasn't always done that. And occasionally, when he has tried to do that, it's come off pretty bad, frankly. We discussed last week, James, with the admirable help of your son, who turned out to have done more research than we had. But Eddie, because Eddie Boyle was not used to playing on his own. And as Travis pointed out, I asked him, he moaned about him to play on his own for five days. So everybody I know is that the game said he perked up considerably when in the second half he had Shumak around him, someone to take the pressure off him. And I think, inevitably, I think, we will start playing 4-4-2 to get all of the variations. To actually get the best out of the world. To get the best out of the body. We know that Shumak, it's all gendered last season. He got that injury against one, so he was, for all people's all about his agents, I can finish. He had a round of 6-7 games where he looked at top quality Premier League players. So, if you can... Yeah, don't forget that Shumak is a very gifted player. He is one of our most gifted players to be fair. And the fact is, it looks like, for all, apparently, we've made an effort, a lot of effort to keep game in the transfer window. Doesn't look like he's going to get a regular chance even for the rest of the season. So, logically, it looks like some are going to be added by all playing with Campbell up front, or Shumak, and I'll try to see him start with Shumak, to be perfectly honest. Against Watford next week, Watford has hit a little bad patch themselves. They're not scoring many goals. I think they're being more positive to start with the two up front rather than... I agree, and we'll come to that in the game before... There is one thing, of course, the big elephant in the room, again, on Saturday. There's no way to talk about me. I'm the thin, whitey hick. Fat white. Fat white duck. Fat grey, isn't it? Fat white duck. Hennessy, it's Hennessy. Well, yeah, I mean... Can we talk about it? What was wrong with Hennessy on that car? Wait, pray to help? The starting position. And the fact that he was going... He went one way and then decided to do it. His weight was a little... His feet, but you want to? His weight was on the wrong foot, again. And he shouldn't. There was a small space to cover, and he didn't cover it. He reacted slowly, and he made a similar save in the first... In the second half. But it was a better save because he was still getting started off in the wrong direction again. So, he's clearly having trouble saying that... A real problem with the war, because much... Much basically climbed over, I don't know what... What, the defender he climbed over, and I think he blocked Hennessy's view anyway. But I saw, I think the war was set up wrong. Oh, no, the war was set up wrong, but I think what the war did was wrong once the shot was taken. What did he do? A small space. A split, and he just jumped on the guy. Yeah, he stood up really high, so it was like eight foot tall. And Hennessy couldn't see, so he went to one side, as much as he gambled, and just... That's the whole point of the war. The war was set up. The war was supposed to cover that. The war on the net, the war was doing. They've covered quite a small space that Sigurdsson risked going for, but Hennessy should have been a yard to his left. Sigurdsson did exactly the same with Free Kick at Celer's Park, head and see exactly the same way to step the wrong way, because his anticipation isn't good enough, and his footwork isn't good enough for someone who is purportedly in the eyes of some palace fans, the top eight goalkeeper. He's not at Celer's Park, did it again for the goal? It was only the third time Sigurdsson tries to put in exactly the same corner that he starts to learn from it, and it only leans the other way, rolled and stepping the other way, and can then recover. I think he's a good goalkeeper, but at the moment, he's making a mistake again, when he's caused all his mistakes. He's been really unlucky, because all his mistakes have cost us points. There's no doubt about that. And off the top of my head last week, there's seven points, you can argue, his fault. And you look at when Julian first came in the team, and he was dropped for a long time. He's won us a lot of points on that. Of course, you left the top eight. That's the big argument with goalkeeper. It's so nebulous, you don't know. I mean, the save is evident, the save in the second half and the three. Of course, that's the big... That's where goalkeepers really suffer, because you don't know how many goals he saved, or should have saved, or how many of the saves he made, the common sense saves are out of the audience. You don't, but the fact is, you can only judge by what you see. And if we saw Delaney, Mr. Tackle, six games running, he wouldn't be playing. He comes out for another catch late on in that match, and just drops it in the area. Again, thankfully, there's no one around. I just think all the mistakes that Hennessy is making on a weekly basis seem to be very simple, fundamental goalkeeping mistakes. It's not like he's out his day. It's just the simple things that you should be learning when you're a teenager. You know, and he just doesn't seem to be getting it right. And I mean, try to be generous. It's his first four season in the Premier League, probably, isn't it? Well, certainly for us. So you could argue that he still, and he didn't start the season, and, you know, so... I mean, I... Not that this is really going to do it, though. I don't think it was a free kick in the first incident. I think it was. I really don't think it was. But it hasn't got anything to do with it. It hasn't got anything to do with it. But I think it's worth mentioning, because I think it was a harsh decision. I'm not saying that influenced Hennessy in any way. But I'll ask you guys this. Will all the mistakes do you drop him then? Or is it, do you still need to have someone, the same consistency as the guy who's playing. I would not, not now. I don't think he will do. No, I would have dropped him three games ago. I don't think he was great at a point in doing so, friend. No, I'm down side risk. It's far, far greater than keeping them there. You know, the risk that Sperroni won't be up to speed, which I can't even recall the last time he played a competitive match, either at under 21 level or at first thing level. Yeah. I'm sure we'll get someone right in the same place the other 21s last week, but, you know, he's certainly not played for the first team for a very long time now. Alex McCarthy, by all accounts, there were sort of various issues that led to him being dropped in the first place, and not just a couple of errors that occurred. And I don't particularly rate Wayne Hennessy, and I'm not even sure he's actually better than the other two, but you're taking a huge risk by, yet again, chopping and changing it, particularly after you finally managed to garner a point against the team. It was an error. Were he to have stayed in the same starting position and Sigerson bends it around the wall into the top left hand corner, he doesn't get near it. Fine, you say that's a brilliant, brilliant free kit. You still say it's a brilliant free kit that Sigerson has taken. Sigerson is one of the best set piece takers in the Premier League, and there's no shame in being beaten by him. But it's those little things that Hennessy's anticipation doesn't always sort of see to you, that will lead to more goals like that. And you couldn't argue as well, again, Ben, you could argue that you learned these lessons because you'd been able to make the save in a certain half. And I agree with you, I don't think there is any point dropping him now, but... And I don't think Julian would be playing. I think if we could have got Rob Green, I think Rob Green would have gone straight into the team. I don't think he was after Rob Green to be covered. I think he was after Rob Green to be the keeper for the rest of the season experience, Premier League goalkeeper, which I think, I mean, the speculation, which I think would have been a mistake in terms of Hennessy's long-term confidence. Because the thing is, I mean, he already is, and it sounds an odd thing to say, apart from the mistake a game has costed us to go, he is actually... The rest of his game isn't... It doesn't stand out as being poor. He doesn't look out of his debt. And he is an international goalkeeper, and I know Wales haven't got that many keepers to choose from, but he is their first choice. He's the first player. He wasn't playing for us, he was still their first choice. So he's obviously a good keeper. It's just highlighted. And also, the fact it's possibly when we were playing well, we had that really good run. He was probably making mistakes, and we just weren't noticing because we were picking up three points on how attention was elsewhere. It's just, it's just at the moment, the whole team, the whole team is under pressure. - Well, I'm also thinking so many changes going on in the team, what with injuries? - Yeah. - And the odd suspension, but mainly injuries, that to make a decision like that to... And that back four, back five, including him is... I mean, I know it's not been that solid recently, but they all know each other so well. And I do think that Dan and Delaney will... You know, they're obviously all in it together, and they'll be helping each other through it. To change that, when there's already so many changes going on, further up the field that are not even our fault, that they're injury faults, then to actually start changing things when we need some stability. And that back four, I know they've been leaking, but they are, they're trying. They are trying and they are as one, or supposedly as one. - Well, I also think, I think it's... - And I do love Suarez's new haircut, by the way. - I think it's important to point out that the bad run isn't down to Hennessy. I mean, the goals we were letting in is down to everybody, not just about four, either, so it would be unfair to blame everything on him, it's just a sage. - It would be a lot. - It would just be magnified because we're under pressure. - Yeah, of course, of course. - Of course, the spotlight's gonna fall on him. And as it is at Liverpool, we're mainly late. - Yeah. - I know, you know. - Okay, how did you guys feel about Adebayor? 'Cause I personally thought he had quite a good game, given his lack of confidence and competitiveness. Do we think on this short-term deal, we've seen enough? Possibly over, this one's a game to think, he could do a job for us. - He's got words, the guy has a proven track record of scoring Premier League goals, and it's not that old, so I just don't think there can be any question about that. What, so ever, he looked a little bit rusty in the final third, particularly. You know, it was one way. - Was it fair enough? - Which is fair enough, there's one that's laid sideways to him on the edge of the box by Wilf, that he pretty much completely scuffs, that if you have a very fit and sharp Adebayor, he probably scores with, given his talent and his goals score. - It's a header as well, in the first half. - It's a header as well, in the first half. - And when you think you would normally get on target, at least. - So, what you've just described there is something that we've really seen the whole season, Wilf pulling one back for a striker, and a cross coming in, which again, I think was from Wilf for a striker. So that's, already that's a good sign, that's a good start, and Pardu is really bullish about Adebayor afterwards, so give him two more games. And the fact is, it's, it's, it's, it's, you, you despair of some football fans sometimes, it's like, how is he gonna get the match fitness without playing the matches? And, yeah, one or two of the games, he probably will look rusty, but to say he's not ready, why do we buy him? He's missing the point in time. - I'm excited about seeing him and Wickham together. - Well, that's a good, I mean, that's a good point. I completely forgot Wickham in that equation. No, you're on, you're quite right, it's done with... - Would you guys do that or would you plan with this? - I mean, well, I'm just chucking out there. I mean, I would... - No, I'd Wickham, yeah. - I would've, I would've, I'd've. - I was so afraid I would've thought to go out and I'd think they could work well together. - Geez, I'm like a cat. - It hasn't happened to you last week, I forget. - I'm just completely scared. Yeah, of course, 'cause Wickham's back, he's finished. So, well, you'd think with Wickham's energy, yeah. - And the way holds it up, I mean, and the way holds it up. - And the way holds it up, he knocks it down. - The strength on the way, you know, to look at it. - Wow, actually, you'd think, yeah, it wouldn't be many... - It's Colton. - Not many sense of appearance, we'd want to... - But we would need parts to stick to this slightly more expansive, if I could do. - Yeah, but actually, we've added by all, as the main striker, and Wickham round him, as he, like, and as he sort of did, we're emblassy in the new cast game, let's... - Could work. - That could work, it could work, yeah. - It could work, it's actually quite exciting, I think. - I think we should spend some time in this part, giving a little praise to Jordan Mutch, who hasn't had much praise from any of us, I don't think, this season. - What for you? - No, not for me either. - Namely, not for you. - He ran a lot, didn't he? - He ran a lot. - Well, he had a good game on the left, and Street was saying earlier that Chang and Lee didn't offer any sport as to our aim, when Mutch was pushed out to the left, as a champ had come on. It did feel a bit, didn't it, Street? A bit more balanced, like a bit more, like he was given a bit more sport. - Yeah, well, yeah. Very much so. - Just a point of view. - What was your take on them, and you were there? 'Cause Lee, I mean, we talked about an opponent last week, Lee looked like one of the few positives recently, his energy, and his support, I'm sorry. What, can you put your finger on why you just said that? - I cannot put my finger on why it was such a poor performance for me, it was just genuinely abject. When he got the ball, he was terrible, when he was terrible, without the ball. So yeah, it was just a combination. And you'd expect him, 'cause he always looked quite busy and full of running, and he would expect him to at least be, even if he's sort of initially caught out of position to be putting in the runs to sort of make up ground, if he's let his man go beyond him and stuff like that, that didn't even really happen. I don't know if it was because he'd kind of been played in a slightly more expansive run a couple of the previous games, and it sort of floated into number 10 at times in those games. - At the moment, what did I say? Swarry went down the left, and Lee was sort of hanging out, and Swarry beckoned with his left arm to say, go somewhere, go behind the fallback, or go somewhere, and at that moment, you realize that they're really not connecting. - Language barrier. - Language barrier. - Yeah. - Okay. - Well, yeah, no, yes, it was the '70s, yeah. - Yeah. - But now, much and, much and leadlier, clearly, I mean, much and leadlier players at other clubs are after, they clearly both good players haven't quite fulfilled any potential that we thought they might have. Lendly, I mean, Lendly started around, maybe a lot of people thought Lendly was gonna come in as partly as just cover at left back as well, 'cause of his versatility, but probably both much and Lendly would argue that they haven't played. - I think we've got to face up, though, to the fact that Jordan March cannot play as a number 10 in the type of system that we play. - Oh, yeah. - And we've tried it out there. - Yeah, yeah. - And it just does not work, whether it's because he's not quite dynamic enough, or he's not got the acceleration or the speed of, or, I mean, he shows him lovely touches at times. The guy has good technique. He just, I think, struggles to sometimes impose himself on games or grab a game by the scruff of the neck, which if you've got a top performing number 10, or even someone who's been shoehorned into that, like, punching at the end of last season, he was performing well. They grab the game by the scruff of the neck, they start creating stuff at the front three around them, and much has never really showed any signs of doing that in the Palace system. He might be better playing a slightly more withdrawn role next to Kebai in MacArthur's absence, or, you know, playing out wide, but certainly, I think, hopefully, it's the end of that particular experiment, 'cause he was very poor there in the first half. - The thing with that number 10 role, it's such a creative role. It's such an energetic role. Logically, there's only one player we've got in the club who could play, and it's Kebai, and he doesn't want to play there. Because it's a real, it's kind of a, it's a new role, and at the number 10 role, it's sort of modern football role, but it is especially this role, and it's a role that requires, and punching is probably the closest we've had to somebody who can do it, but it requires a lot of physical fitness, a lot of energy. You have the ability to tackle as well, because you've done a lot of thought, and a lot of speed, yeah, the speed of what, and skill technique, and, you know, but it's, there aren't that many players in Premier League, though. - I mean, it sounded like Charlie Adam could do it, but there's a sort of few and far between. Kebai doesn't want to do it, so I think it's really hard, you know, it's much easier to be an emergency centre forward than it is to be an emergency. - Which is why I kind of feel it's now that punch and ginger, that maybe it's time for Palace just to kind of put that to one side, so it's right, exactly. Like we said last week, we had bypassed the midfield and stick, pulling what you want, but it's sensitive, it'll be 4-4-2, which, off the back of Leicester's success, and what for doing it, so people are suddenly starting to say, oh yeah, I never wanted to lose 4-4-2 in the first place, 'cause you said we should play a continent in a way, but gradually, that is creepy. - 4-4-2 is the new model, right? - Well, it is, I wouldn't be surprised to see England play a variation of it, as Harry Kane and Vardy, I'm pretty much now in order to be the starting two, I think, in front of Rooney, in the European Championships, and there's no point playing Vardy anywhere else, all Kane and anywhere else to play him, and it's sort of moral, it's all for the 4-4-2. - Yeah, everyone knows how to play. - 4-4-2, don't they, aren't they? - It's not, it's not, it's all for the up player there, and it's not as, - I don't know, it's not the same as people when they think 4-4-2 think, you know, at mid-early 90s, sort of two wingers bombing on, and getting crosses into the sort of box for two strikes, 'cause you'll be getting on the end of them with headers, et cetera. - They don't really play like that anymore, you know, the two wide men who would have used to have been, you know, your Celarco on one side, and who would be her head on the other? - Eddie. - Eddie? - Phil Barber. - Phil Barber. - You know, the wide bin field is in that system, don't always bomb on the same way that they used it. The sort of width and the pace comes from going really direct to the striker straight away the same way that sort of Lester are playing at the moment with Mares and Vardy looking to break between the lines very, very quickly, almost without any support from the midfield. So it's just, I think, a bit of a sort of tactical reaction to that sort of 4-2-3-1 thing that we're getting very, very fashionable. It's just, okay, you're gonna press us high up the pitch, and you're gonna try a retained possession, we're just gonna bypass the entire field. (laughs) - Well, it came very much. I was going direct with that. - The Vardy go against Liverpool last week was pretty much, that was sort of 4-4-2 policies to play in the early 90s, it was, the wide men sometimes barely got attached, it was the long ball from over the key products in the back with a flick on from Brighton or not, sometimes not even the flick on, and just the bounce deceives the central defenders and Ian Wright or Vardy's in behind him, just shooting scores, but it can, I mean, the thing, the way what for play is that they both, if what for the defending, both of them drop back and sit in with the midfield, so it's kind of a 4-6-0. And that's why maybe Wickham would be better doing it, 'cause he's got more of the energy to come back and sort of all the midfield. But I think if we haven't, as we said last week, for about half an hour, we haven't got the creative talent in midfield at the moment, then miss them out. And that pretty much sounds like what we did on, yeah, especially, I mean, the conditions as well, you were there, and the conditions were pretty rough. - Very slipping. - Yeah, not many teams who won a play, the sort of football that was one of your famous players, but yeah. - Was it feeling a bit as well, given the sort of hysteria that was surrounding the five around the feet and a lot of people sort of having a bit of a meltdown online, was this a bit more of just sort of calming, it's gonna be all right guys, you know, look, it's not gonna be a disaster, it's gonna be all right. - We need one more. - I think that's the impression, when you've seen the intuit part you afterwards, I mean, he said, you know, we feel this as a victory, and you felt, he said we've been stuck on 31, so. - Yeah, yeah. - He goes, and now we're off there, and that 31 points felt like a bit of, even though during that toe we're run, everybody below us was equally as bad if not worse, and we weren't really dropping down the league in terms of position. I do feel as though we needed to get that one points just through standing the ship as they say. - Yeah, and what it means as well is that they'll, they'll come back into training on Monday or Tuesday in a much better frame of mind, they'll look at Addie Boyer and go, be 18 and be out of play football, wick and we'll be back, but lastly he'll be floating around, boating, he'll be full of himself 'cause he came on and had a good 20 minutes, so kind of, it always amazes you how important it's a cliche, but it's, you know, these grown up men who have paid a lot of money to play football, and, yeah, confident, one, and a waypointless ones, you can make all the difference to their mentality, their attitude. And I don't know, it's, I probably wasn't far short of its theory, but you can understand why people were starting to get a bit, it's not just the fear of going down, which was never fully there, but it's just what it means for the rest of the season, for the internet season, and also it's just that, 'cause it's that rare thing for Palace fans where we've come in off the back of a good run, 'cause in the past two seasons, it's been the other way around, we've come in off the back of a bad run and we've picked up, so it's just like, we had an unwelcome dose of reality and long made. - Well, you know, again, as we usually do, you know, some perspective on it, you look at where we are now, and you know, it's above Chelsea, which is great, but we are where we should be really in the league, we are where we should be, where we deserve to be, you know? It's just so happens that we're good, and then we weren't good. And, you know, I think, if you're even itself out, then I think we're fine, you know? - Well, Pargy said himself and not many people picked up. Pargy said, you probably would have taken this at the start of the season, and he said, "Even though I know we're six points ahead of last season "and technically we're doing better." He said, "Well, we're all worried." Of course I'm worried. - We should be worried. - You don't know where it's going, that's the thing, yeah. - Otherwise you're not gonna push forward. - Yeah, you have to, that's the element of worry around there, otherwise you just, otherwise you're better. - Carrying a loose bit. - But they're only revealing that now, 'cause we talked last week about the fact that one of the things that was worrying me is that there was no, the club simply weren't acknowledging that we were in a bad run. Everyone was carrying on his own. Empathy was rosy, and we're not idiots. Football fans don't mind the manager or the chairman, saying, "No, I don't know how we get out of this, "but we have to get out of it." But so I'm pleased that they're acknowledging it now, but I'd rather they did the grown up thing. But having said that, it was only despite the fact we were the only team not to get a point in. It was still only five games, and three of which were against Chelsea's one good thing. And Tottenham and Men City, and yeah, we know a good Tottenham and Men City are. - Yeah, good. Okay, well, I think that's a good part to end part one on. In part two, we got questions from our listeners, so join us in a bit. (upbeat music) Welcome back to the five-year plan podcast. (crowd cheering) - I'm a pod 160, yeah. - Happy throw of Tuesday, everybody. - Yeah. - Or if you're listening to this on Ash Wednesday, well, you've missed your pancakes. - Yeah. - Yeah, lovely pancakes, wasn't it? - Very nice. - Yeah, they were very nice. Pored 160, sponsored by Vector Printing for your print and embroidery needs. Go to vector.co.uk, and that's Victor Wither. - K! - And go to t-shirt-monster.com/fip to check out the brand new, exclusive F-Y-P and Vector Wither K t-shirts. And J-C-I-S, the Global Research and Prank in Chelsea, from South London. Visit J-C-IS.com. - I will. - Good. Question time. (laughing) - Prom? - It's just, I've finally realised who you remind me of. - Oh, the honey monster. (laughing) - Now you're doing your t-shirt-monster impression. - Right. - Are you sure it's 168? Wasn't it 168 last week? - Uh, I think it's 168. It says 168 here. - Groundhog demo, isn't it? - It actually was groundhog day when we lost the book. - It was, yeah, yeah. - Which is ironic given we kept on losing, then we lost the game on groundhog day. But, never mind, we move on. - We do move on to our first question this week, which is from Matt, Phillip Harris. - Oh, no, no. - Matt says, "Do the weaknesses in our squad depth "make a case for shifting the new investment "from club infrastructure to new players. "I'm gonna chart this one towards our financial expert, "and history." - Come on, call me a financial expert. (laughing) - What weakness is the squad you talked about? We just decided in the first part that our squad was building and now we're boating, coming on. - We have in previous weeks talked about lack of depth. - Before you passed this to Andy, though, I still don't understand that we're supposed to believe that the two Americans, who are apparently very nice chaps, who've invested a lot of money. But I've agreed that the money's only going into infrastructure rather than players. Street will probably know more. Now, we're supposed to believe that that's a legal thing in the takeover that any money they invest will only go to building a stadium and therefore will free up parishes money for what of a better word for players, I think. - Well, you can agree whatever you want to in a contract, really. - No, I don't understand. - That's the term of what they want to do with the new structure and that's in the agreement that sort of deals with all the shareholders and how they deal with the club then. Maybe. - Or is it a way of getting around future financial fair play issues or? - Well, it's not a way of getting around future financial play FFP issues because they'll still be effectively in play. I think it's more just from a sort of common sense perspective. The fact that the club, if it needs to progress for reasons that I'll come onto in a minute, needs to increase the amount of money that it takes that the gate and needs to increase the amount of money it takes from sort of commercial partners and from corporate activities and all that sort of stuff. And the manner in which you do that is by improving the infrastructure and similarly to improve the sort of quality of footballer that comes through. So you end up with lots more here and baritings and hopefully better coming through into the first team. You're going to need to invest in the sort of back-end infrastructure as well. And the one thing that I guess the business model doesn't have at the moment is that sort of sustainability to develop things from that perspective. Now, the reasons behind that in terms of sort of all the regulations and so forth, you've got two limbs effectively of financial regulation in the Premier League. You firstly got what they call sustainability regulations which is basically saying you shouldn't be losing more money than a certain threshold and you should basically only be spending what you earn. Which is kind of what we all understand to be FFP. - Over a particular period? - Over a three season period you shouldn't be at the moment and it's currently done on a three season cycle. At the moment you shouldn't be losing more than 105 million pounds over that three year cycle. So that's a little bit over what, 30 million pound a year? - What, 30, between 30 and 35 million pound a year you shouldn't be losing in terms of bottom line loss rather than profit. - So what happens though if you've got an umbrella picture at the end of that period when you've lost 106 million just makes up? Does that include, is that factored in? Are clubs allowed to do that? - Clubs are allowed to inject a certain amount from, like a certain amount there's got to be guaranteed by owners, by web equity if they go over that. Yeah, so basically, yeah, you have to have an umbrella which guarantee in a certain amount. If you go over that 105 million there's no suggestion that anyone will do for various boring accounting reasons. If you do go over that 105 million it's basically then down to the manual, which the Premier League decided to enforce that particular breach. I mean you look at QPR, they went through the FFP threshold for the football league, they clearly went through it by quite a significant amount. It will then depend on the extent to which that particular authority wants to go down hard on them. I mean they might end up, they might be saved through the sake of argument, they might end up being six clubs who breached that particular element of the Premier League's FFP, if you want to call it that. And there might be two clubs who breach it particularly severely, but it's then whether or not the Premier League decides it's got the appetite, the time, the costs, wants to basically invest a certain amount of their effort into penalising the club for breach in a certain way. At the moment there's no indication in the rules how they would deal with someone who's breached in a certain way. There's no sort of set tariff of penalties for clubs who got in a certain amount over the threshold. - So why has Steve Parris been talking about it then? Are we in danger of breaching it? - So there's that element of it, and I mentioned that in brief, I think a couple of weeks going, I couldn't see why it would be an issue, but in the Premier League's rules there's also a second type of financial regulation, and I can see people already glazing over in their absence. (laughter) There's a second type of financial regulation that's called short-term cost control, and it effectively acts as a de facto salary cap, 'cause it says that if you go over certain thresholds, and it's within that same three-year period, if you go through certain thresholds of sort of wage bill, you're only allowed to increase your wage bill year on year by £4 million, unless the excess over that £4 million comes from stuff that the club is itself earning outside of TV money. So say for example, Palace Earn pays £60 million in wages, and that's increased by £6 million per year before, which was also a three-relevant limit. They've gone two million quid there over the limit of what they should have done. They don't have to convince the Premier League that that excess above the allowed amount has come from them earning more money at the gate, or earning more money from commercial activities, or from increasing, you know, sponsorship deals and stuff like that. - Isn't that easy to do if you're an accountant? - Not. (laughter) I can't possibly comment on that. - I'm being serious, I'm sure it's easy to do. I mean, you're only talking that much about money, really. - Yeah, and are these measures, because we need to stop talking at such length, just in terms of having people listen for PODNIC's week, because it's fascinating, but-- - We will get to next week. - But are these measures designed to stop two or three really wealthy clubs winning the league? Or is it designed for every club to be sustainable? - Well, no, because if anything, it has completely the contrary effect, because basically if you're a massive mane-nited and you can license a new product out in the Far East, that means that you get a 50-minute extra quid, and you've got 400 million pounds of revenue that isn't linked to the TV deals at all, it's far easier for you to say, well yeah, our wage has gone up 100 million quid, but all of that is down to the fact that we're increasing revenue through these bits and bobs. I think the purpose is to ensure that clubs don't become too overly dependent on TV money, frankly. It's basically to say, yeah, fine, you're getting in 100 million quid from TV, but if you allow that all to pour out straight away into the pockets of players, if you then go down, you're in trouble, because you're gonna be effectively hooks on the amount of TV money you've got in, and you'll have commitments to those players to pay them that amount. So I think it's to try and make sure that any sort of incremental increases in that are fairly sustainable, but it's got the opposite impact, like because clubs then have to sort of maximise all the other types of money they've got coming in, rather than TV money. You end up with no incentive there to bring ticket prices down. If anything, there's more than incentive on clubs to increase ticket prices, 'cause they need every penny they can get if they can increase above the limits. - One of the things we've learned this weekend from the Liverpool fans and other people, surely, is that talk of ticket money being important, it's hopeless, yeah, old fashioned, because the amount of money that a club actually makes on the gate now is so negligible compared to anything else. - Yeah, it does, 'cause Liverpool could afford to let every fan in for 10 quid. Essentially, it wouldn't touch their finances. - As a business, without doubt, there's no doubt that in terms of whether or not they make a profit at the end of the year or not, it completely irrelevant if they put five quid on the ticket for us, but because the whole purpose of these new, rather boring, awfully drafted regulations is to stop clubs from becoming too dependent on that TV money, everything that isn't TV money becomes important, because that's what basically fuels your wage increase. - Right, okay, but so to answer the question from the original tweet, yeah, we do need a stronger squad. (laughing) When I was slightly confused, yes, the Americans, yeah, there was some confusion as to what the Americans have signed up to invest in, but one way or another, we need to invest in the squad, as well as the infrastructure without doubt. - A very quick fit night to my borrowed segment there. It seems based on various reports and what's the parachute, in fact, himself said that we were very, very close to those wage bill provisions and breached them and so forth. So it would at least probably provide some sort of justification or reason for why we didn't go nuts in the January transfer window and didn't allow new players to come in aside from had a buy or without allowing other players to go out and to make profit on those players, so. - That's really interesting though, because the one thing that Steve Parrish has said right from the start is that we will match clubs for transfer fees, possibly, but not wages. So it's clearly given you, unless you're saying that the increase in, it's a proportional increase on low wages, so we're still paying low wages, but we're actually paying extra than we, I'm confusing myself and what China says, we've always been given the impression that we are one of the lowest. - 90 more, I'm going to go on about finance a bit too much here, aren't I? Basically, the accounts for the 2014 to 15 season came out in the last, I think, week. We weren't far off the likes of West Ham and Swanzi, it comes out as well. - They're all around the sort of 65 to 75 million quarter year point now, I think we're about 68, so we definitely increase. Some of that will be from the fact that, you know, Yannick Bales is going to come in and go, right, I'm a Premier League footballer now. Why, you're not Premier, Premier League footballers, why, you know, all of that squats, Damien Delaney, what I said, okay fine, I was being paid, you know, hapinny thruppens down in the championship, but I'm now a genuine Premier League defender. Pay me, pay me that amount. - Like Pirate, we learned today, Pirate demanding a lot more money for my staff. - Yeah. - The next question better be about Pete the Eagle, otherwise we're gonna be hemorrhaging. - No, no, that's really interesting, but it's- - Very good question. - It's a very good question. - One of what it was. - Well, the question, it didn't actually, it answered a different question. - You did, I'm gonna ask him another one. - But we needed to hear it though, it's interesting. - Another one, and a one word answer, please, were the accounts good? - Yes. - Good, okay. - Good. - No, it is interesting though, because the FFP thing that Parrish just talked about, came out of the blue for most of us, didn't it? 'Cause I think we all were under the impression that we are, but we were under the impression that in terms of finances and husbandry for one of the better word, we were doing really well. So to discover that there wasn't an element of disquiet from the- - It's just not been very well publicized. I was talking to a journalist from a national earlier this week on the English stuff. - Ooh! - Get your hands. - Get your hands. - No, it's so exciting, if you would expect- - If you would expect- - It was Edward, wasn't it? - If you would expect anyone tonight- - It was Edward, it was Edward. - It was Edward, it wasn't Edward. - It wasn't Edward, it wasn't Edward. It was a different paper, different journalist. If you would expect people to know about that sort of thing, you would expect people who are football writers to know, but not necessarily about all the minute detail, but expect to know about the general broad implication of it. But I think because the Premier League didn't really publicise it apart from in one small press release that didn't really go into what it actually meant, it's probably passed a lot of people who don't work in the administrative or accounting departments of football club by. You can understand fans not know what it is or what it relates to or anything of that sort of effect. - I'm an intelligent articulate player, but it's only really David Conant, the Guardian who writes about football finances, and even I get two paragraphs in and I just go, "I want to know who's playing up front." - There was a blog from Swiss Ramble. - Swiss Ramble, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I got it, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I just looked at all the graphs in those games. - Right, nice colours, though. - That was interesting question. - So, Swiss, that makes stolen gold and everything else. - Right, moving on to the next few questions. - I'm actually leading, there's no, there's no- - I wasn't- - Switzerland's, I'm not saying that Swiss Ramble was involved in stealing Nazi gold. - I wasn't saying that. - I wasn't saying that. - I wasn't saying that. - I was saying Switzerland was. - I was just saying. - We're running out of time. - We're running out of time. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - So, the Swiss are gold-stealing Nazis, so. - I've got it. - Right, and I've Swiss listeners. - Right. That is the- - They will help keep out. - They will get involved, don't they? - That is, that is a very good question, and the longest we've ever had on any question on this. Pause, I'm going to rattle through the next few questions. - Okay, shorter answers, please, Lads, I apologise to the listeners for rattleing through them. Quite a few questions on this subject, but I've picked out one from Houston TX-CPFC. - Hi, Houston. - Hi, Houston. - He said, "Out of desperation, should we start "down up front, worked for Chris Coleman?" (laughing) - It's a good one, yeah. - It was, it's a good one. - It is, it's a good one. - It's a good one, yeah. - It's a good one. - It's a good one. - But seriously? - No, no, no. - No, no, no, no. - It was interesting to hear part of you talk about how standing in the tunnel next to the palace team say we're giants, we're a huge side, which is of course we're scoring goals from set pieces. - It's got a few big lads, but no, not as many as possible. - No, but I think Scott, you know, there's no point for him up front, he's scoring goals from where he is. (laughing) - And doing his other job at the end of the week. - Yeah, 'cause in the tunnel, as you put him up front, and then we have to bring Breddoin at the back and-- - Oh, I love his Breddoin. - We all love Breddoin, but we don't want him to play for us at all. - Right, next question's from Andy Joyce. - Good question, Lads. - He says, "Who are the pods favorite NFL teams?" There was a bit, you know, I'm sure he's still worthy. - I don't care, frankly pallet's official Twitter account. Stop trying to make me care. - I don't care. - Well, we've used to the-- - I've got one sport. - Yeah, back in the '80s, James and I remember the '80s when the Channel 4, it was till the day of the year, but we all support with everybody I know in London, chose the Philadelphia Eagles to sport, 'cause it's very obvious reasons, 'cause we'd all been to Philadelphia and study the American history. I don't give a rat's, my brother-in-law's in America who lives, he really enjoys it, but, you know-- - No, don't understand it, don't want to understand it. - Okay. - Well, a lot of the fans seem to follow that. - No, no, no, just say, "It's so important." - She's great, and all power to them. But stop trying to force it to meet you. - A lot of people are in the Palace official Twitter account. - There are a lot of Palace fans who are probably vote Tory, but I don't see your logic. Be perfect on this place. - Yeah, yeah, it's a great game. If they put the ball on the ground and kicked it. - Well, they do, that'd be fine. - They do, yeah, yeah. - One guy comes on to do that, is his own job. - Well, rugby, rugby. - Down goals or something. - I've been thought about doing that. - Well, rugby's great. - What, the kicking bit. - Be the kicker. - You couldn't even do the holding bit. - If I could do the kicking bit. - Kick it, what? - On the off-chance they change their orders as a nine-year-old kick. - I could easily do that. - You wouldn't have to... - You're still young enough, I might give it a go. - Right, next question is from-- - Give me this idea. - The next question is from Tony. - I could easily do it. - Would you go? - No. - I'd be great. I've been going to the gym recently, and we're doing a lot of leg days. - Right. (laughing) - Next question is from Tony Johnson. - Hi, Tony. - It says, "What will you be having on your pancakes?" - Oh, too late. - How do we have them? - Yeah, next question. - I mean, I couldn't be more happily married, and she's just the odds were in the kitchen, but my wife is-- - The marvellous pancakes. - My wife is the daughter of a Methodist minister, so if we had lemon and sugar, and we were lucky to get that, we don't go first. - We had lemon and sugar, simple. - Simple, yeah. - Yeah, one day I'd dream of Nutella, but you could dream of a very Catholic thing to our school, so we were lucky at lemon and sugar apparently. - I'm from AC24, so I put me quinoa and olives. - Quinoa and quinoa on a pancake. - You eat your olives. - They were nice pancakes. - They were not, they were not. - Except for somebody in the legal profession was a bit late, turn it up, so-- - They were cold, aren't they? - Extra batch had to be made for the lawyer. - Okay, John Dodds. - Yeah, but we're-- - John Dodds. - John Dodds. - Oh, John. - Oh, John Dodds. - Call the panel, you've been called to something else tonight. Not like that. He's put a quick one for the esteemed members of tonight's quorum. - Nice quorum. - Nice quorum. - Nice quorum, right? - Do you like a bit of quorum with my quinoa, actually? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I used to, it wasn't quorum, no, no, no, no, it's quorum. - That's quorum. - Okay, quorum. - Quorum is a mix between quorum and quorum, that's where James Corden takes his clothes off and people are sick. - Right, Dodds, his question says-- - Dodds, do you want Leicester to win the title, assuming Palestine? - There's still a part of me that closes my eyes and sees that ball looping off Steve Clarity's shin. - Yeah. (laughing) - We play a final on this part of me, it doesn't. I actually, yes, I would, I think it would be a fluke and they're never gonna get this close again, so it would be heartbreaking for them not to. I think they've been, I think they've been good for, I think they've been, and yeah, it's a different, we talked about Ballmouth, we talked about the Roman ball, the snide horrible niggly. Even if it's watching them against Arsenal on Sunday, it's around the referee all the time, Tony. Leicester, I think Leicester play the game in the decent spirit and I think they've been fun at watching. I think anything that annoys me in the United Men's City and Arsenal is a good thing, and it's not gonna happen again, they're not gonna become a power in football. - Well, if it's not Leicester, let's hope it's tonal. - Yeah, I do wanna see it, and you do wonder as well whether it's made me the start of things to come. It's one of the reasons I really wanna be in the Premier League next year, 'cause I think Mourinho will be managing the United. Guardiola's gonna be at City, Klopp at Liverpool, but every other club is gonna have the money to keep good players and to get other players. And I think apart from, I think we're gonna be richer than every club in Italy. - Yeah, it's my chance. - We'll be richer than just about five or six clubs. So I think this possibly could be the start of an era in British football in the Premier League. - It does give teams the size of Palace a little bit of a conflict. - It does, well, we never could give it. - And the fact is, this is a one-off, it is a fluke, and they've been really lucky with suspensions and injuries, but they deserve it. I mean, it's not a fluke. I mean, they feel it's the way they approach the game. So yeah, I actually would like to see them. - And there won't be another season, we're all so many of the big teams, if not all of them, I've had shortcomings. - I don't know, it won't be, but I just think next, the Premier League next year's gonna be really interesting. I just think you're gonna have eight or nine clubs that will be sort of hovering around the positions under the, you know, the traditional top three, you imagine will reassert themselves. - I'm just looking forward to it in about 15 years. I mean, loads of lesser city fans were 15 years old. - Yeah. - They go, "Well, we'll do it for 15 years." - Yeah. - In the same way now you need to be able to be able to do it. - I think it was only last week, we said this. At the start of the season, I was delighted when Ranieri came in, 'cause I'm less than one of the teams, I assume, would finish below Palace. - Yeah. - And at the start of the season, you look at every single one of their players. You simply wouldn't have put me in Palace's team. - Well, and also every single Premier League prediction from any journey as to ever. - For me? - All sayings were all left upon three probably. - For me, and what, the only reason I thought Leicester might not finish part of it is, I thought all three of the penalty clubs would struggle. And that's where I think Villa and Newcastle and Sunderland, there was an incredible arrogance about all three of them. 'Cause I think they assumed the same thing. - I'll be, I'm always happy about Villa going down that I am about Leicester potentially winning. - Well, I think there were going to be two, I think two of the three clubs. - And I'm sorry if I've got the fans, but it's the arrogance they could. - Yeah, I think there are going to be two big clubs leaving the Premier League and all that. - Yeah. - So, no, I think Leicester. - Chelsea, I've done it. - Well, I'd be interesting both ends of the table. - Yeah. - Oliver Moss says, I had a Bloody Mary before leaving the pub for the FA Cup tie and Stoke. - Keep doing it, keep doing it. - As we won, should I make this a Lucky Cup ritual? - Yes. - 'Cause even if we start losing, just keep doing it. - I think you need some sort of on days that the team trained, just to make sure they get any opt-of-mount of their training sessions. - Basically, just go back in the morning and have a Bloody Mary. - Which pub was it? - Didn't say. - I'd be interested to know which of the many pubs are on SC25, mixed with Bloody Mary. - Yes. - Because, I hesitate to say there might be something even slightly wrong with the portions ons, but I'm guessing they're Bloody Mary wouldn't. No, but of course, you should keep having it, 'cause basically, keep whatever happened. Never three or four. - I think he's very sure of Bloody Mary's probably vodka-tonic in a packet of prong cocktail crisps. - Mixed in. - Whoa. - Right, final question. - Oh yeah, we just put the crisps in and drink through there, yeah. - Yeah. - Final question then is from Tom Fogden. - Hi, Tom. - Hi, Tom. - He says, when you think about it, isn't it actually quite remarkable that we lost five on the spin and only dropped to 12? - It is remarkable. - Yes. - Do you know, it's not unlike the playoff season when we lost, or we didn't win for a quite a long time and still everybody else around us. So yes, it is. It's a corona, isn't it? - Yeah, it is. - We should show them how weird season it is all over the Premier League. - And that Chelsea are unbeaten. - Chelsea are unbeaten in 11 games and we're still above them. - Yeah. - There you go. - So it's extraordinary, the fact that we, again, it's a cliche, but it's a league. And we picked up a lot of points. So yeah, but yes, it is a remark. It is a pretty remarkable, yeah. - It just highlights how well we do at the beginning of the season. - Yeah, exactly. - And the fact that we're free. - Thank goodness we did. - We're three corners. - It's not quite as bad as, you know, it's not that bad. - It's not as bad. - If any, I had an off-gees phrase that would be appropriate for such a time. - You're not allowed to use it. Albeit, you're not allowed to use it. - Albeit. - Yeah, I'll beat you on. - So it's still three points beyond Liverpool and above Chelsea, so, you know. - Yeah, there you go. - That's near bad. - Good, okay. Thank you for your questions, listeners. - Well, not the first one. - No, that was not the one. - No, that was not the one. - Yeah, that was. - I enjoyed it. - I thought it was a question. I thought it was a question. - It was just a crowbar in the fact that J.D. said "If I ask that first question, can you mention financial fair play?" Even though I said, "It's not really got anything to do with it." - Well, we covered some interesting questions. - No, there were things that needed to be talked about. - Exactly. - Because these are things that came out of the blue - Exactly. - And did sort of rock out image of a financial group. - And unfortunately, as listeners, I couldn't read questions out, but we appreciate you sending them in, so please keep doing that. In part three, we're going to go back in time. - As we do in part three, for in this week. - So wake up, listeners, if you fell asleep at the start of this part. - Yeah, some fun experience coming up. - It's just been really exciting. - We'll see you in a bit. - Welcome back to the Five-Year Plan podcast. - Three! - Pod168 sponsored by JCIS, the global research and brand consultancy from South London. Visit JC-IS.com. - I will. - And I love that. And vector printing for your printing boarder we need. Go to vector.co.uk and as vector with us. - Okay. - Correct. - Right. - Can we point out before we start that we've had a large number of tweets in during the break. There is no implication of anything other than financial fair play between both our sponsors and us. - Absolutely. - Everything's above board. The books have been checked. The £25 a week is well within the legal cap. - Yeah. And our in-house lawyer is very happy with everything. - It's not happy. - I just like to thank you for all my children's clothes for the last six months. - Yeah. Good. - Right. - You want to get in bullet at school or not? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Okay. - It's not only cut with the case. - Right. We're going to go back in time. - We're going to go back in time. - See. - First we're going to go back in time too. Sunday the 12th of February. 1984. - What? - Why did you look at your watch? - Because I was checking that we're in the right way. - What? - 1984. - No. - Because I only gave the wrong ones to Rob a few weeks ago and to the next one I actually got the right one. - 1984. - What an odd year that was. - I was born. - I was born. - Well, then. - Fingers on it. - Who did Palestine for... - For the initial. - For the initial. - For the initial. - It's a good one. It's a good one. It's a good one. - Oh, okay. - Seven and a half grand from Alan Mulery made this signing. Seven and a half grand from non-league Alesbury. - Henry Newton. - Oh. - Oh. - Oh. - Phil Barber. - Correct. - Oh. - Isn't it name was? - Phil. - Phil. - Phil. - Mr. 110%. - Yeah, it wasn't really his nickname. - Oh, okay. - It was very bad. - Phil Barber. - An underrated player or? - Never really got any. - No. - No. It was... - No. It wasn't underrated because everyone knew where he came from. He just happened to be... - Alesbury. - That's what I mean. And at a time that was quite ambitious by for us. He was... - But he got wings. - He never... Hence his nickname, but he stood out because he never gave anything less than his best in what was a pretty ropey couple of years full. - Played in a cup final as well? - He did. - Did he play the cup final? - Started a cup final. - Played in a cup final. - He got taken off right at half time. - Did he not school in the semifinal? - No. - No, he didn't. - No, he didn't. - No, I didn't. - So what did he do? - What did he do? - There you go. - See you later. - I'm off anyway. - Traf would him and Simon Roger. - Traf this come back. - Sir. - Would him and Simon Roger played in the same team? - Jolly. - Uh, I don't know. I don't think so. - He was a bit late. - He was a bit late. - We paid seven and a half thousand pounds. - That's not a bad bit of business, is it? - Well, yeah. - No, Molly. - Molly would have trained us at two and a half thousand. - Can we have a library 90 section, Kevin and James, try to remember shit? - Well, it's from... - Somebody was suckling at his mother's tea at the time. And we were old enough to have been there. - You J.D. - It's just like... - I'm not suggesting Andy was suckling at your mother's... - Oh. - Thankfully, my dad doesn't listen to his podcast. - We do have to remember. No, he's too big. No, we do have to remember. - It's called to remember things. - It's called to remember things. It's not everybody who's coming on. - No, no. - It's called to remember things. - It's called to remember things. - It's called to remember things. - It's called to remember things. You know, we've got a lot of listeners that like sort of nostalgia. - Yeah, if you want to go back to the account and see a bit of the earlier... - But no one wants to go back to that. - Can I bring the mood down a little bit for the next memory? - It's a sad one, but it's an important one in palette history. - Oh. - Because 12th of February, 2002 was the funeral, of which form of Palace Manager? - Malcolm Anderson. - No. - Oh, no, it's after that. - 2008. - But heads. - But do they reset funeral? - Yeah. - Yeah. - I think it was the manager that took Palace into the top division in 1969. - I say we were there for that reason. - It was 14 years ago. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's a real worry. - Yeah, he was a proper '60s man, he looked. - Yeah. - I mean, I assume he wasn't, he was probably only in his 50s, but like everybody that he looked. - He looked. - He used to insist we weren't a London club. He used to always describe us as a limit of our ambition. We could be the biggest club between London and the South Coast. - So even bigger than Crawley. - Yeah, he was, I mean, they were, you bear in mind where Palace were for most of our, from 2005 and 1969, most of our football was in the third and fourth division. So that was a huge deal to get us in the first division. And then keep us there. It was mainly a Scottish team. - Yeah, I'd like to say he loves Scottish players. - He thought there were bargains to be had in Scotland. So, and maybe John Jackson, who probably single-handedly kept us up there for a while. - Well, R.I.P, but, you know, in the four years we were in division one. How many London d'Arby's did we win? - None. - No, one. - No, one. - And it was the very last one, the year we were relegated. It was, we beat Chelsea last game in the season, Jim Cannon School. - Right, none high. - Yeah. - What's our, what's our derby record like at the moment? And current stats didn't. - I don't think so. - We haven't won many, have we? - Well, unfortunately, most of the London clubs tend to be Arsenal, Chelsea, and Tottenham. - But we don't beat Arsenal. - We beat Tottenham. - We beat Tottenham last season. - We beat Tottenham last season. - We beat Tottenham last season. - Chelsea last season. - Chelsea last season. - We don't. - We beat Tottenham. - We lose Tottenham. - It's not a voodoo. It's not a voodoo. It's not a voodoo. Who do they use to be? - Okay. Saturday the 14th of February, 1976. - Oh. - Carlos. - Carlos. - Cup run. - Carlos Scarborough. - Oh, no. - Leeds. - No. It was after that. - Chelsea. - Correct, Chelsea. But what did Palace? - What did Palace do? So Palace went to Stanford Bridge at 54,000 people there. - It terrified me as well. - What did? - Obviously Palace 1, 3, 2, or what did they do that day? What did they do different that day to any other? - It's one free kick. - No. Something about their get up. - They wore a sash. - The kick. - They wore it. - Wasn't them first. - They wore a sash. - The new white shorts. - The new white kit with the red and blue diagonal sash. - Was that the first time they wore it? - According to this book. - Wow. - Palace donned the new kit. All white and a red and blue diagonal sash. - One of his end to Stanford Bridge. - I can remember. - Wow. - What? - I can't remember. I can't remember. I can remember Peter Terrell. I remember Peter Terrell's three kick. - Yeah. - But more for the fact that it just led to mayhem in the way and where he scored. Because my mate's daddy took his sense going off to take us in his strip for then. Because he figured that he wouldn't occur to them that they'd be Palace fans amongst them. And he was right. So we got a lovely view of, so awful. It's like a war film. - Ah, the good old man. - No, that's what people forget about Stanford Bridge. Stanford Bridge was one of the... - It was tough. - A whole full ground. And then suddenly that stand appeared in 1972 or whatever it was. The express purpose of Racco Welsh did in it. Apparently. But it was a dreadful place to go. - It was a great result though, isn't it? - Oh, no. - It was a great result. - And it was fully deserved as well. - Yeah. - Good stuff. - It didn't help the Malcolm Allison to walk around a pitch in his shoot skin coat for Doran. Making signs of the Chelsea fans. - He had a point. - Yeah, he did. But he wasn't getting chased down the fallen Palace road, was it? - No. Okay. I'm going to do one more memory. A bit more recent. 2003. - I don't remember a million James down in London. We remember the long time ago. - The Sunday, the 16th of February, 2003. - I just fancy one between 2007 and 2015. - I never thought your policy on women is neither here nor there. - Before Mr. Neil McStean, please do an updated version of the book. - Or check the website or go on the internet or check the games book or do some basic research while you're in the gym. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Well, I could dive in a bit. - Well, that's clearly not... - Well, that's clearly not. - I've got a leg day, whatever it is you've got. - Yes, every day. - Okay, so a Palace played Leeds United in the FA Cup. Can you remember what happened? - Yeah, the goal. It was Derma Gallagher. It was about a yard and a half across the line and Derma Gallagher. - Who scored it or didn't crack? - Tommy Black. - Tommy Black. - Yeah. - And who was managing Leeds that day? - Terry Venables. - Venables. - Oh, yeah. - Tommy Black. - If Michael Dupree, he'd cleared it. - Yeah. - With his hand. - Tommy Black and Julian Gray. - Yeah. - And that's why I'm against goal line technology and the use of any technology. Because we're still now moaning about that. - Yeah. - Still now. And we wouldn't have had that satisfaction if it was a beyond that. - And it went so far. - Think about how much extra time he'd have to talk about financial regulation and the like. - Yeah. Moving on. - Yeah. - Yeah, where did you park his goal wheelbarrow that day when he came there? - You've not seen it. - You've not seen it. - You've not identified who that was. It could be anyone. - Yeah. And having a goal wheelbarrow isn't necessarily implied that you've done nothing but by Theron's word. - Was that? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Because we actually played them off the, we played really well that day. - We did. - Yeah. - I think Harry Kiel scored a winner possible. - Yeah. - I forgot Tommy Black and Julian Gray. - He's now a cabbie. - He's a... - He's now a cabbie. - A black cabbie. - Got him from Arsenal, isn't he? - No, he's not. He's not trying for it. - He's the thing that told me black cabbie. - He's yeah. - He had a really good reputation when he got him. - Well, when he signed, he was really good for us. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And then he sort of went off the bottom. He didn't grow in him and we got the same time. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - They both had sort of patches, didn't they? - Yeah, they've been brilliant. - They've never liked them at Gallium since. - Cool. - Quite ironic. - I do remind him of that every time I see him but here you go. - Good. Well done. As you should do. - Yeah. - Okay, that's it. - Just a little snidey, don't you? - Yeah, he does. - That's it for going back and down. - At least he hasn't got a gold wool wearer. - Well, that we know of. We're going to come... - Somebody else's money. - Right. - No, I'm going to come. - That's the present. - Into the present. - Oh, right. - For the... - Now, in the future, since last time he said it was a present, but that was a minute ago. - Can we start fading out like the Oscars with music? - I'm coming. I think I'm going to do that in the end. - It's a bit rich coming from the 15 minute news night. - I'm going to get rid of it. - But I'm going to get rid of it. - I'm going to get rid of it. - I'm going to get rid of it. - Some would be really traumatic music underneath. - Right. - F.P. - Right. In part four, we're going to look forward to Patsy's next game, which is at home to Watford. So, Johnson, a bit. Welcome back to the Five Your Plan podcast. Final part of this week's POD, it's POD 168 sponsored by Vector Printing for your printing body needs. Go to vector.co.uk and there's Vector Wither. - K. - Check out t-shirtmonster.com/fyp for our brand new exclusive FYP and Vector Wither K t-shirts. - And JCIS, the global research and brand consultancy from South London, visit JC-IS.com. - I will. - And those of you who are very good here, you could have heard a t-shirt we've been shaking in the air, by the way. - Rossley a t-shirt. - There you go. - Well, the t-shirtmonster. - Finally, it's making paper t-shirtmonster. - Right. Part four is where we look forward from, oh God. Right, we're going to, come on, come on, we can do this, we're nearly there boys, neither. Watford at home. - On Saturday, given the dogliness of the Swansea drawer and the better performance, and given Watford's, yeah, slightly dodgy form recently, are we confident this Saturday? - Home form worries me still. So I'm at the stage where not really approaching any, I would take a drawer, another drawer now to be honest, and I think... - Well, I'm... - I'm optimistic of the confidence. - Yes, that's a very good right point, I guess. - I mean... - It'd be interesting to see what he does selection-wise, because I think he clearly really found some rates with him. - Yeah. - So I think... - That's not about your show, he can offer us something. - I think he'll start, I think he'll definitely start. I think it's more a question of who starts with him, and I think it'll be... I think you'll see two teams playing a similar way on Saturday, and I suspect they'll go into it, their confidence, probably as low as ours was previously, so... But as I say, the home form, we'd just seem to get caught between two stores, we just don't know whether to really press on our tag. - Do you think the former result as well will perhaps just make some fans be a little bit not overconfident or arrogant or anything, which is, you know... - Not just the former result, the home form all season. - The former result was a bit of a killer that was named. - I don't know, it has been... I mean, it was mentioned before, it has been a weird atmosphere that sell us part in the weeks, months, maybe, weeks, especially. I think the weird... It actually starts before this terrible run as well. I think there was a bit of complacency around the place, and that complacency has now gone into a little bit of anguish, a little bit of worry and very frustration. It's a very typical unfortunately. It's what happens these days, isn't it? People get wound up if you don't win a few games. I think, you know, if anything we should do is just get behind the team. I mean, that sounds very boring and old-fashioned, but get behind the lads. - I think so. - Also, I think the interesting thing about Wickham and Addie Byo is that I think Wickham will probably learn a lot from Addie Byo in terms of controlled aggression, because Addie Byo was a very physical player. He never had a reputation for getting into fights or elbowing people at callers and now somebody will point out. I'm sure he has done on occasions, but he's more mature player than Wickham is, obviously, and I think Wickham can learn from him. But I think there will be a lift. I think the atmosphere, there will be a sense of relief. I think there will be, again, I just think the first goal is really important. And I just think we will play more of a straightforward 4-4-4-2. I think that might be the secret now from now to the end of the season. And circumstances have forced that on us. And in a way, maybe Pardew, that will help Pardew because he can, you know, he will take the credit for it, obviously, but he has his hand, has been forced with injury. I think pretty much he will start. It will be Jeddonack and Kebai starting at the base of the base again. I think when we're going through that run and he used to get in the game, we'd lose another one. You can sort of get on that edge a little bit, but you're expecting things to sort of go badly, if that makes sense, or you're sort of waiting for the first thing to go wrong. Whereas I think now we've got that point. We can sort of relax a little bit. Maybe just sort of enjoy the day a bit more, does that make sense? I think he'll be saying to them, look, if we get three points from Watford, we've got Norwich and West Brom to come. The cup games are bonus. Anything can happen in that. In terms of the league, we've got Norwich and West Brom to come, which is a game that you think... You'd like to think by the end of these three games, we could be at the magical 40 points. Yeah, could potentially. Well, Watford have only won one in eight themselves. They're not on the most outstanding run. They're struggling to school. They were given a huge amount of credit, basically, on the back of the garlows. Events are on a form, rather than them being an outstanding team, although they've definitely adapted well on their position. It shows that they've adapted well to the Premier League already. Certainly beat it all. Not got the best record away from Ireland. They beat Sunderland back in December, and won a couple of away games much earlier in the season. But they're not... I won't call them a team to be scared of by any stretch of imagination, and if we sort of try to set it out in a similar sort of way to them, and don't play too much on the front and play into their hands in that way, because they're quite direct and they're similar to Leicester, as we've sort of spoken about before. More than capable of getting the result. I agree with you, I need to a certain extent. There was an error of inevitability about some of the previous losses. It almost felt like the players and the fans were expecting certain things to go wrong, so that even when you keep up with this synth-the-block thing, he was managing to kick the ball into his own net. It almost felt like a lot of stuff. It's got to bring up. Even when something like Bands mistake against Sunderland came up by fans, but it was sort of almost expecting that sort of thing to happen. So, hopefully now there's sort of renewed optimism about the place, and that resilience that was there in the second half against Swansea will now be back with some vigor. Having said that, if you're a Watford fan, you know your team. You probably choose Palace to go and play. What I'm hoping is that they boo Eddie Boyle, because he turned around to come to us, and their manager said some unsavory things about him, but quite unkind things about him, so we didn't want him, he's not the sort of player. If he'd come to us, he would have known where Watford was. He wouldn't have had to Google Watford. So, he made some comments. So, he made some comments that I'd think he probably should have looked at the Fixtenist before. We should know what the court was. The court wasn't had to go nowhere as well, because he didn't know much about the history. I don't know much about the history of Napoli. You kind of said... Did I go mad on him, mate? Bad choice for you. I think the manager would look at the fixture this and go, "I might keep those forts to myself until we play them two weeks' time." But, again, you'd imagine Pargill would be reminding Eddie Boyle of that. Hopefully, if it had been the other way round, Eddie Boyle would score two or three goals against us to show us up. Once, just once, it's got to work our way, surely. Just once the news came, he was going to say, "Well, he was bound to score." But, you know, it adds a little bit of spice, and I really do hope Watford fans boo in from the start. I think, as well, we just build on what we saw inside there. I think we've still got a mentality at Palace. We're at our best when we've got something to be in opposition to, either when we desperately need the points, or we've got a gradualness of something we're unhappy about. Because I think Pargill, before the Leicester game, because Pargill was clearly genuinely upset by Rani Aeri not shaking his hand off the list. I imagine Pargill would manage to make a lot of that as well, because he would try what a sort of team that needs doing up and what a sort of team that needs a bit of adversity to flourish. It's like the complacency James talked about. I think that's crept into the team a little bit. There was a really good tweet from Delaney. I think it was yesterday. Delaney's tweet saying, you know, it's tough. I can't remember what he exactly said, but it was a loonie. It's tough. It's hard. It's not going exactly how it should be. But we're all in this together type of thing. And I think there's, I do get the sense as a real team spirit. And maybe you've been waving, maybe from the fans' point of view, or maybe the players been waving a little bit. But I just think after getting that one point, I think it's just given everybody lift. I think that the play is more important. I really feel as though they feel as though they've turned the corner. Yeah, I think that's really important. That's what we said earlier. I think that reasserted itself. Whatever, to bring the pitfalls of whatever was happened at half time, that seemed to reassert itself in the second half. And that's obviously something that needed to happen, seemed to have happened. And that's one of the things that Palace of Fame was that, over the years, is that togetherness, I guess. As a club, I think. And that has to start by the 11 guys on the pitch. And then that just goes through the rest of the club, through the fans and everybody, and the people who listen to you on the radio and everywhere you are. I think that's, and I do feel as though we've got that. And I think that's really important. You'll finish on that note. I think that is the perfect place to finish, James. Well, thank you very much for that. Because I knew you were trying to give him a note on which to finish. Spot on. Thanks for joining me. And listeners, thank you for listening. You're here for us. Can you, OK? 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