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Yes, listen, as it is the five-year plan podcast returning after Pulitzer vlogs, Aston Villa, but we will be discussing that and, of course, the FA Cup win at South Amazon. We'll be back in time for in this week to see what happened in the past, and we're going to look forward to kind of this trip to Man City. So join us for an hour of Planet's Chat. Right, yes listeners, it is the five-year plan podcast. POD 164 sponsored by JCIS, the Global Research and Brand Consultancy from South London. Visit JC-IS.com and vector printing for all your print and embroidery needs. Go to vector.co.uk, and that's vector weather. OK. OK. So in the direction of we stopped doing so well since JCIS got evolved specials, it was just vector in the old days. We were going along quite nicely with him. No, we had JCIS earlier this season. It is the one we're doing quite well. It's just that when we're doing baddie, you look for sort of extraneous things. The plane, like the cat walk in the wrong way through the room or someone telling me I'm invited at your house. You won't be doing that again. I think you won't be doing that again. Even the cat, all the uninvited guests. Right. So we've had two games since the last part. I've actually, hang on. I've got to introduce you alive, haven't I? Andy Street. Hello. James Denticott. Hello. Kevin Day. Hello. There's been two games since the last pod. Really? Yes. Two games. And after the villa game when she was a knight, everyone's kind of forgotten about the Southampton game, which of course was... Well, after the cup drawers, well everyone's forgotten. Yeah. What, during the one shot? Two's. I didn't watch it, actually. Oh, they might. I was otherwise engaged. Then they followed the cup drawer Tracey Ormondo. I don't like football. Brilliant. They did a slightly strange thing, didn't they? Well, after each team been drawn out, they had someone in a shirt walk forward and then shake the person who's in the shirt that they were drawn against. Yeah. Which was just bizarre. It was kind of like FIFA meets last of the Summer Wine in terms of presentation. It was like a human wall chart of misfits in Premier League shirts. Why was it on The One Show? Oh, good question. Because to make it mainstream and popular, and I was so upset with... Well, the fact that football is not mainstream anyway, is because it's a very niche sport, isn't it football? I was so annoyed at Tracey Ormond laughing at football. I was going to suggest that we all laughed at her show, but then it was impossible. But I would say keep off the TV for another 30 years, Tracey. Yeah. There's a reason why you're not being on the toilet. Right. Let's talk about the Southampton game, because... I'm just... You've scored a goal. I'm doing it right. Two goals, two goals. Two goals. Wow. Which doesn't happen much this season. I'm still not going from our strikers, but probably through to the forefront of the cup. So, is this going to be the season? Certainly asked me a question at the other day about so hard. Why does he not count as a striker? Sir! I don't know. Because he plays sort of that. Why doesn't he? Yeah, but he's still a striker. He's still a striker. Hmm. Do you just count one player as a striker? Well, would you even say that there are strikers anymore? Because the way that we... That's a bit existential. Oh. All right. So, I'll try. Well, certainly not in Palace Games. Certainly not in Palace Games. No, obviously not in Palace Games. But everyone plays one guy up front now, and I think it's not like a traditional striker, is it? It's more a forward, and they have to do more than just score goals in Palace's case, not even that. But you could argue as well that when Balassie scored his goal against Newcastle, he was playing as a striker. Yes, he was. The only stats in that Palace's striker is not scoring. Some of them are in that position. But... It doesn't take away from the fact that we're not very good at scoring goals. Yeah. Apart from the FA Cup, of course. Well, the Southampton result felt like a typical Palace result this season, resilient, well-organised, taking the chances that came along and then defending really well, and I still gave me no optimism for the Villa Game whatsoever, because their league form has just been... It's been coming that performance. We talked about Swansea and Bournemouth Villa before Christmas, it really should have been nine points. Chelsea Game was what it was. We ended up getting two points at Swansea Bournemouth Villa. Probably all we deserved, because they were Bournemouth, especially Swansea at home, was a really tepic performance. We'd been kind of getting away with it for a while, but the thing with the Villa Game, it was one of those things. It was so bad, apparently you were there, James, so you can tell it's really sounded like it was so bad. You can't take it seriously, really. I was talking about this today with my son, Travis, and we were saying that the performance was so bad, it almost doesn't matter. In fact, it would have played quite well and just not been as good as we should have been. The fact that it was so appallingly bad, that he just thought, "Let's just put it to one side." I'm almost sick of saying, "Should we just put that game as being a bad day?" Because we say that too many times on this part, or let's just put that performance down as being a bad day, shall we? It's getting some point where every day's a bad day. It doesn't mean... I haven't played Clatterberg. Clatterberg? I thought Clatterberg reffed it really well. Yeah, he doesn't matter. But as soon as Clatterberg... You've got to blame somebody. No, no, because as soon as Palace player sees his name on the team, they just figure out where they're going to get in the finish, so they don't bother as simple as that. To be fair, no one ever wants to say it after a game like that, but Clatterberg reffed it. Did he not move the polcer in the first minute? Possibly. Clatterberg. There is... I did have a... As you know, he's just... I had a bad feeling about yesterday, because I said there's still enough of the old residual Palace to make you think that if you want to end a losing run, you want to play us. But I was quite embarrassed this morning, so I only have one corner against the team. We're going to go down in history as one of the worst Premier League teams ever. For us to go away from home, I don't know who you said Villa played well. They played very well. That still doesn't matter. They're not as good a team. They weren't as good a team as Wickham, on Saturday. Yeah. They're not as good a team as we are. Mm-hmm. And the fact is that even when we went one day all down and with a sort of goal that if my mum was here, she would have said money has changed hands, quite clearly. Even when we went one day all down, I expected this to be, I thought there'd be a barrage and there wasn't. Well, should we go to our resident goalkeeper critic, Annie Straight, for that one? Yeah. Talk us through it, Andy. Yeah, come on Andy. He not nicked himself, Andy. I've never seen a goalkeeper. No, he's incredible. He's incredible. You're preaching to the convert. It's got to the point now where the White Hennessy plays well, plays bad, but he doesn't play at all. I get a barrage of tweets after every match, so that's quite nice. I've never said that he's a bad goalkeeper. I think he's marginally better than McCarthy. He's probably our best goalkeeper. I thought some of the praise for him earlier in the season was just a little bit disproportionate to the way we've planned. I thought he was being given a little bit of an easier ride than McCarthy was when he was making mistakes which weren't punished. I'm not going to either react to him making a mistake like that, despite the fact that I do still have question marks in my head about how good he is in terms of, I know we've mentioned it before, his feet, but it's... His hands weren't very good last night. His hands weren't very good last night. You know, I don't think it's not one that we need to massively overreact to because then we'll... I know. Boy, yeah. Why not? Actually, bearing in mind, he's overreacting to his feet position. No, you're not overreacting to him. Not making himself. No, no. You're a... No one likes to sort with him. He's a ballerina, mate. He's a ballerina, boy. I know you're a lawyer. Geez. I'm not about judging based on outcomes. If he's made a mistake, he's made a mistake. You don't react any differently if it's led to a goal or if it's not led to a goal. I thought it was good that McArthur came out publicly back to him today in the interview. McArthur's done one of his now trademark apologies to Palace Rose. Which are lovely, but I wish there were unnecessary, but I think he's right for the players to publicly back him. I'm surprised that Pard you hasn't because Pard you normally... Pard you did say that yes, it was a mistake, but also it didn't detract from the fact that there was a lot of mistakes for all the players players. You know, it wasn't just Hennessy, yes it was. Well, it only case that's one point ultimately, in the same way that McCarthy's mistake against Spurs only cost us one point, and against Man City only cost us one point. We weren't going to win that match in early event last night, and we weren't going to win the matches against Spurs or Man City, who could have, you know, each a draw out of both of them. I was a little bit disappointed with the comments Hennessy had come out with before the match about McCarthy, and about how he'd made up a couple of bad decisions, and he'd been then taken out of the team, because I don't know if it was one of those words were taken out of context, or he was slightly misquoted, or he just sort of said something rationally and then didn't really mean it. But it came across quite badly, and it was one of those where Arthur had said that you kind of just thought to yourself, because I read it before the match, I did just think he's going to do something to me. Yeah, because he talks about being patient, and he talks about McCarthy's mistakes, and he said that's what happens to goalkeepers, but he'd probably re-ign that now. It's interesting, I'll tell his fans, there's a sort of denial about all football fans, but they go straight for Hennessy, rather than the actual... Well, it's just easier to go for Hennessy, but he's not part of it, he's not going to drop it, but he has to be fair, he's made some really... No, I don't think he should. The only thing I've ever said is that I think he should be held to the same standards that McCarthy was going to be going to put it out. And also, none of it, I don't think any of us have ever said that he's the best goalkeeper in the Premier League. He's a not bad Premier League goalkeeper, so... No, I think, ultimately, going back to what we're talking about in terms of the performance, we've over-performed the times this season, and ultimately, if you're looking at the media level of how the team are going to perform, there's going to be a period when they're going to have a bit of a dip, and we're having that dip at the moment, and it'll be rare that you'll end up seeing a Palace performance as bad as it was up at Villar, or, again, Villar even playing as well as that again. So, I probably don't want to overreact too much, but we have been considering a lot of shots this season, we've got a goalkeeper who, at times, does things that slightly suspect will be better than anyone else that we've got on the squad, and that combination means eventually you're going to concede a couple of soft goals here and that's ultimately what happened, but I think, yeah, the main focus surely has to be on the lack of attacking edge and the sort of one-dimensional element to our play, we don't seem to be able to switch it up. I think we're playing. As the Villar may have played quite well yesterday, and probably their best performance of the season, but they were still there for the taking, they are still not a good team, and if we had any threat up front, then we would have won that game. I think there's two, I think in the long run, the lack of goals actually starts to put pressure on the defence, because the defence know that if they concede one, we're probably not going to win the game, because we're not going to score two, but the other factor is as well, there was a couple of sensible tweets from people out of the game last night, he said, yeah, the striker thing is what it is, but if we had messy up front, we probably wouldn't have scored this thing, because no one was getting the ball to him, it's the lack of creativity and midfield is as much a problem as a striker, and we've, you know, born with spent nearly 20 million quid on strikers in the past five, six days, it probably won't do them that much, you know, they're spent on the real qualities. We've spoken before on this pod, though, about how when things aren't working, parties often seem to have much of a plan B, because yesterday up front, even at half time, a lot of the Palace fans in your way, and still couldn't work out who was playing up front. It was Sacco, Punchin and Wilf, as a front three, sort of, and it really wasn't clear who was the main striker. At some point, there was no one on right midfield, so Joel Ward had three players almost overlapping him, so it does seem that when things aren't going right, and we've mentioned it before, that there doesn't always seem to be another plan, Andy, does it? I mean, I thought, and Kev will love me for saying this, I thought last night, and no, it's not about anything like that, I thought last night was crying out for us to play a 4-4-2. I thought there was no way there would dominate the centre of midfield. I thought it would give us a different element, the manner in which we play. You know exactly how we're going to set up. You know, if we don't have fit strikes, we're going to try and model through by having the front three swap about, and hope that one of those combinations ultimately works for a period of the match. I thought last night, you know, you're planning on seeing a line confidence. If you can play a sort of pressing 4-4-2 similar to what Leicester effectively play against them, then it's going to cause them some real problems, and it is just a bit one dimensional. Yeah, I agree. We have though, and this is going to sound like an excuse. We have had a lot of injuries, and players that even played last night, Wickham came on, still not fully fit, Shematt came on, not fully fit, Sacco started, not particularly fit, and played like a man of the league. Like a deaf, isn't it? Yannick is still out. But Shematt, with all due respect, Shematt Wickham, Sacco was a championship player as well as I'm a good championship player. But I think it's you who described him as Darren Ambrose. He might get you a goal, because he's got a really powerful shot with both of you. But he's not a solution. Shematt's not a solution. Wickham, I think it's a really good player, but he needs other good players around him. But Wickham's not going to score the goals. You can't bring him on as, you know, then where's Gail? Where's, you know, Gail looks like he's going to Norwich or QPR. We've had four or five weeks of Pargis saying we need Gail in this squad, now he's in this squad, and he's not getting on the pitch. I don't, I don't quite understand the logic, and there's no one else, there's simply no, there's no options for the bench, there's no, and that's why I quite agree with Andy, is that I think we were right to get rid of Murray, but still that option should be open to us from another, you know, put Wickham on, but also put him on with a Fraser camera, or we've Gail, player 4-4-2, play something different. I mean, it's a bit of a worry at the moment as well that whenever Balazzi's out of the team, we just look like a side that has very little purpose, all sort of knows how it's going to get at teams. Or energy, yeah. Or energy, I mean, I know we play in a certain way that relies upon sort of that direct attacking, fast, win play, and I know that Balazzi sort of personifies that, but you need to have some sort of plan B if Balazzi's not available, we can't, and surely, haven't got to the point where, you know, we're a one-man team to extend, if Balazzi's out, we might as well give up against anyone in the Premier League, and that's something that probably needs to be addressed in the win though. I mean, we've always known this since the beginning of the season that, you know, if Wilf and Yannick are not on fire, then there's not a lot else going on there, really, you know. And it's really proved it with Balazzi being out, and Wilf not on top of his game at the moment, it's proving it. And I'm really concerned about the middle of the park, I'm concerned about McArthur, I'm concerned about, I'm just concerned about the lack of creatives, the lack of somebody who's in the middle of the park, just grab everyone else and say, "Come on, what the hell are we doing here? What are we doing here? We're playing against a terrible team. What's happening here?" And I'm scared to do that again. We weren't that common. Do we have, but where could we, could we, could we start ourselves? Why is, could we, could we play beyond the forwards? Such as they are. We don't need, could we, I mean, I don't know. Well, again, the midfielder, you weren't really sure who was playing. Could we, could we, could we, could we as one of the most creative midfield players we've had for ages, and he's stuck in front of the back four away at Villas. There's no, there's no logic to that. I mean, I, I, I'm not necessarily sure that I agree that he should play right behind the strikes, because I don't think it's always been affected when we tried it for sort of periods of matches this season. But I completely agree that him and McCarthy should have been sort of given the license to Rome a bit further forward and tried to at least play the game a little bit in their half. And maybe playing that sort of Leicester type 4, 4, 4, 2 might have been conducive to that. Instead, they were dropping a bit deeper. You didn't know quite whether it was Kebai and McArthur who were supposed to be covering that deeper era or Ledley. I mean, there just didn't seem to be a lot at times. Kebai was up in that number 10 position, but then was dropping a bit deeper at times as well. He didn't quite know who was responsible for what. And I'm not sure the players did either to say anything. The Newcastle game was a classic. We, I mean, this is almost, this is the equivalent of the Sunderland game at home, but we played, we were having the same mum. But then it gets Newcastle, it gets the team lacking confidence like VillPS, and McArthur played much further forward, and drove forward and far, far, you've got in the box much more than he has been. And that worked. So you, that's what you do to teams when you're lacking. And we, we sort the, we actually tweet it, to go a bit more attacking. We can, you know, so it's, that confuses me a little bit. I'm with James here, the sort of defenceiness, especially way of feeling. I mean, because there are times, that's the city, of course he goes. Yeah, yeah. And of course that's how you set up. Yeah. Well, then the trouble is that city wouldn't, he just knows city, we can't stop city scoring as soon as they score all the games over, basically. Of course, you know, things would have, if, if that, if that chance of the first minute had gone in from Wilf then, you know, we decided, and I'm sure it would have come away with three points. Yes, my granddad used to say, if me only had bullets, she'd give me uncles. Oh, yeah. Yes. But what I'm saying, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's just, well, we're, we're confident as well, because we're a team, we're, we're a team lacking. We are, we're lacking colours. Yes. Yes. And I know we sort of brushed over the Southampton victory. And it was great to see us score a couple of goals. But ultimately, as we said in the pop before, it's, it's about the league form. And the league form is, it's not, it's not really happening at the moment, is it? But is, is it about league form? I mean, if I was to offer you this, would you, would you rather finish seventh this season and go out of the cup of the nook thrones, or would you rather finish 11th or 12th, but get to the cup final? The cup final. Yes, of course. So is it really, because of the position we're in, win the cup final. I'm offering you cup final, not, I'd rather finish. Well, I think the cup final, I think you need to see, yeah, of course, everyone. Well, that's not, they're already, but what, what I find interesting is that there are some Palace fans and some journalists as well, implying that our league form is suffering because we want to win the FA Cup. Because we want to know, because, and the thing is, you can't, you can't, you can't pick and choose basically. And to be fair, in terms of our progress, I wouldn't want to finish 11th this season or town, one of them. As I think we're in danger, we've got two really difficult games coming up. And I know I said in the last part of that, we shouldn't, we should be, yeah, as long as we see some progress, we should be happy, we shouldn't be disappointed in the game here. But we'll still be disappointed if we finish 11th or lower than we did in the last season at the moment. That's, that's every possibility. I mean, I don't think, you know, I don't, part you, we should very much, this is the way part you've always worked. It tends to go through spells of, well, this, this, this is the run that we're expecting at the beginning of the season. There will be a run of five or six games where part you, there's a little bit lost and doesn't know what to do. But the worrying thing about last night is, by all accounts, first off, they look too good to take, take, come away Neil, Neil then. Yeah, no, absolutely. Come away with the point. Well, if that had been a howler, from endlessly, we would have come away with me. I think it was also more the fact that, like, even if the system hadn't been changed, or whatever, they looked like on the pitch last night, like the players didn't really know what to do. Like it was like, well, this isn't working. And then it just, they just played it out. And there was, I think that's the most frustrating thing, from a palette squad that we all agree is the best few ever had. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, they couldn't really do anything to break down a, a pour, but playing well, will aside. So surely that's more of a concern than anything else, like scoring goals or keeping mistakes or anything. There's a, just to keep this up to date, there's a lyric from a song by Bowie, a song... Well, it's going to end recently. No, well, there's a, there's a lyric in front of his, a song of his on the Diamond Dogs album called Sweet Thing. There's a lyric in there, which is very relevant to Palace. When it's good, it's really good. And when it's bad, we go to pieces. I paraphrase it slightly, but yeah, but anyway, I just saw it by then. A lot of Palace slayers were going to pieces on Twitter last night. Really? And it was, I mean, it really was a bit of a meltdown. How were they in the crowd, because you were in the game? What was the, what were the, what were the fans like? It was, it was like watching Palace four or five years ago, where actually you think, oh, well, we've lost and we're terrible, but, you know, this is Palace, this happened. Yeah, it doesn't really matter, we're in Birmingham. Exactly. It was put into perspective by the fact, you know, Brighton wasn't too near that other room. Yeah. So we, yeah, I mean, we had, we had a very, it was a very bad performance. It was embarrassing, but I think it was a while off, but it's into, I was working with a vilafone in the office today, which was great. I don't know, if somebody managed to locate it, it has to be the garden. No. I kept turning out on my desk. Good luck with him trying to find it now. There's also a pallet of girl in the office. She made a very good point as I was talking about, well, you know, it could be a brighter fan and think back to 10 years ago. It's when we can't, can't keep going back to 10 years ago, we can't keep saying what, you know, what could have happened. She said, you can only compare with what happened a few weeks ago or a few months ago. And she made the very valid point that compared to recent history, we're going through a bad run, but yeah, it is a bad run, but it's not disastrous. And the worst that can happen is after tonight's results, Wednesday will be 10th in the Premier League, which, again, it's probably a corollary of how well we've done that with this part, I think. And his point, was the phrase he always used to go- Regression to the main. Regression to the main, yeah. The teams that are above us are probably, yeah, Westam are probably a better team than we are. We're probably a better team than Sunderland. There's a very interesting stat about Westam that Andy mentioned- Oh, they, again, with the usual caveat that I've read it on Twitter. So I've got no idea if it's true or not. And people can feel free to write it with fact correction. I believe they're on 31 points at the same time of the season last season and finished with 40. So as long as we don't limp-hine to that extent, I think- Which I don't think we're out of the world, but the one thing I'm really worried about the strike situation is that I hope it doesn't indicate a lack of planning, because the fact is that we all knew in September, October, that it was an issue. And we all assumed that it was going to be resolved early in the transfer window, and it looks like the way Pardius Steve Parrish is talking probably seems like with not- We knew in September, October, 2013. Well, we haven't- We haven't- We struggled for goal-worths from a strike in the whole of the Premier League, absolutely. But it does make you wonder why it hasn't been addressed or what the plans are for addressing it in, because you can't keep muddling through in the Premier League. And of course, they are worth their weight in gold, and of course, other clubs all over Europe will know that we've got a bit of money, and we'll- And of course, you can never guarantee that somebody will come in from Italian football or French football or Swiss football, and score goals. And it- But it does make me wonder why, you know, if we've noticed, you'd like to hope- Because we've talked about us being a more grown-up professional club, and this is kind of old Palace. Yeah, definitely. The result last night was old Palace, and this is kind of old Palace as well. Much as we sort of, I know some Palace fans laugh about this non-strike, a scoring goal swing. It does worry me a little bit that it's been about to carry on. Yeah. And the way part of your talk is about psychobe and the answer, and it's just- No. Yeah, we've got- For the most part, we've got- It was really sort of the back four, including the Hennessy, pretty much, despite- Apart from last night, our solid and good Premier League quality. It could buy a Macafah for very good players, but there is a problem up front, and it does need to be- It does need to be addressed. And it- Not necessarily now, I don't think we will spend a lot of money. Well, I don't think it's a lack of plan. I think it's that there's clearly a transfer of policy, apart from Kibai, where we try to find value, and we try to find players who are undervalued by their clubs, or undervalued by football generally, and try to get bargains. And you just can't get bargains when it comes to strikers, unless you take a complete punt. And even when you take a complete punt, you can end up paying, you know, four and a bit million for Dwight Gallop front, or whatever it was. You know, a guy who never played at Premier League level before. Or you take a punt on someone, foreign, but completely unknown, from a lower league in Portugal, for example. We took a punt on a young man from Brighton on Frieden, didn't we? We did take a young man, actually. But, you know, the last one really that paid off, mate. And the ball, but we talked about- I mean, Ballmouth have got grab-and-black, they've got a phobe from Wolves, they've got a good guy from Grandma. All of those, I mean, I spent nearly just because there was a bit of a myth about Ballmouth, they got a very, very rich owner. Yeah. Well, they've spent an awful lot of money on strikers. And our championship strike is which perhaps- Well, that's the problem. Exactly, that illustrates exactly what we're talking about. You know, a striker who wasn't Ballmouth and then didn't do well at Norwich, a championship striker, and again, a foreign striker that is a complete unknown quantity. And then, obviously, Murray must be pretty upset. Clearly, he's not been the answer to their problems. But, like you say, it does illustrate that it is a huge risk. Plashing money out now is a huge risk. And, you know, the least risky option would probably be Charlie Austin, and he would probably cost us 20 million quid now. And I don't think it's worth doing. I think the club would be right not to spend that sort of money on a player like Charlie Austin, who probably would only get his six goals at most between now and the end of the season when- Well, most of the very moment, as you said last week, we have got to seven-for-we got to fifth in the Premier League without- Without half-through the chance that we've done now. Well, we've played, well, not far off. And January is no tourist and difficult to do good deals in. You end up sort of scrapping around up on the Pulis window in January, a couple of seasons ago. It'd be an exception, but generally, it's pretty difficult to do good business and sickly good business for strikers. In that window, you get some teams who end up spending 50 million quid on Andy Carroll for Christ's sake in that window. January is usually particularly bad. Someone on our right-hand game has actually bought in August, which are completely undermined by pointing at that. And now, I'm sticking to it. Yeah, but I thought it was slightly on Purdue's speech after the Southampton game. Well, before the Southampton game, it's a press conference. We've got a lot of publicity saying we're not looking for defenders, we're not looking for midfield players, we're not looking for any of the people we've been linked with. There's a couple of strikers. But, you know, if we had a chance to sign in Shelby, why not sign Shelby? He would get you five goals in midfield, or would help other players. I think Newcastle got a real bargain in Shelby. Purdue's bought in through a chart on Shelby loves him. He's a very dynamic midfield player. I don't know, yeah, you say we're blessed with players in the midfield department, but it's not necessarily a striker that will unlock goals. Why not a great midfield player? Definitely the way we play. Yeah, so why do you sort of shut the door and say we're not, we're definitely not looking for that sort of player? Well, especially as we've said that strikers are so hard to come by and work their way to go. Well, I suppose what's said in press conferences and what is actually then executed as the transfer policy might be two different things better. Possibly, yeah. But, I mean, it does seem like the focus is on strikes. And I think perhaps rightly so, but it's just going to be incredibly difficult to do a good deal for a good player at the right price in the January window. But surely saying things like that, we're just, all we need is a striker, puts two million quid on the transfer fee already. Without doubt, yeah. But I do think we need an injection of something. Yes. We need an injection of something, if not just to wake everybody up. And that's what you know, and I think, you know, I think you're right. That's what, because it looked like last week that we were very close to signing in what some of the rumours seem to be. And I thought, I was really pleased because that's a really good way of putting it, an injection of something and just an injection of enthusiasm. It just needs something fresh. And we haven't got it. You know, we need to bring in a player who's playing for his place in the Euro. Absolutely. Well, we need an injection of a break to the end. Oh, very, very close. Two weeks running. One. Whoa. And in part two, we've got questions from our listeners. So, do you want some of them? Welcome back to the Five Year Plan podcast. Cheer up boys. Pod.164 sponsored by Vector Printing for all your printing embroidery needs. Go to Vector.co.uk and that's Vector with her. Okay, correct. Correct. And JCIS, you're welcome. JCIS, the Global Research and Brand Consultancy from South London. Visit JC-IS.com. It's question time. And the first question comes in from Alan Bowles. Hi, Alan. And Alan says, "What do you make of our loan system, bearing in mind all our incoming loans over the past few seasons have been poor?" That's a good question. Very good question, yeah. Mmm. Up, well, it's a long ago, Bamford. Who else? There are the ones that's bringing to mind, man. Yeah, Doyle. Was it online, wasn't it? Doyle. AJ was a short term. No, no, no. I thought Doyle was online. He was confident now. He wasn't alone. He was confident now, wasn't he? Yeah. Oh, he wasn't. It wasn't awful. Do you know what we were talking earlier about strikers? I would expect in the window that if we did bring a strike, it'll probably be someone online and there'll be another meltdown on Twitter. Do you want to say what you said off air? They proposed off air? What did I propose? Online. Who did I propose? Oh, Glenn Murray online. I'm putting money on it now. And then it'll be sort of the trade off between people going, "What have we brought in back?" And they'll be like, "I told you we should never let him go." And then it'll probably end up scoring off. If we buy a striker, or we get a striker on loan, it's going to be such immense pressure on them. Yeah, the club will get, as we hinted, as I'll probably be on the people criticizing, there'll be criticism if we don't get anyone in. But then if we do get someone in, and the poor sod doesn't score five goals in five games, well, they've got the wrong person in. So I... But the nature of the beast of the loan system, I guess. I have problems with the whole loan system anyway. I think it's wrong that teams in the same division can loan players to each other. There's something morally not quite right. So who's going to loan palace a player? I mean, surely no teams above us are going to have one. No teams below us have one. Where are we actually going to get one from? I don't know. From Cambridge or somewhere, I don't know. Sort of seems the worst point. I don't know. It's well, I don't know. He's got a point to prove. I guess you loan somebody from a team abroad. Oh, OK. But yeah, the Murray thing's interesting. It's clearly Murray... You'd imagine a long way down the pecking order. Of course not, yeah. But then Murray might make more sense playing for palace. He does play football, if you don't know. It's an option, wouldn't it? It's an option. That's an option. And as we've said, week in week out, that's what we like. I'm going to get a barrage of a beast for this, too. I know, he goes on a loan. He goes on a loan. He'll go on to a championship club. Yeah, he will. That's what'll happen. He will not come on loan back to world. Come on. But no, it's an interesting... It's an interesting... Real boys. Oh, you won't. It's a palace, though. Anything can happen. It's Palace World. It's an interesting point in that... We haven't had any sort of wildly successful loan signings. And obviously the last one, Bamford went particularly badly wrong, ultimately. But it's all going to be difficult for the reasons we've sort of set out there. Tom Inns. Tom Inns' foot. One game. It started really. One game. Brilliant. Brilliant. And then faded away. But yeah, one game. Better than Bamford. Yeah. Well, yeah, he scored a goal for us. The whole steward he did. Well, it was 1994, but... OK. Next question then is from David Fraser. That's a good question, David. That was a good question. That was a good question, David. He says, "Is this Alan Pardhu's first real test as Palace Manager?" Oh, that's a good question. He... The fans of every club that Pardhu's managed at will talk about the fact that his results tend to go in... spurts who have a good runner results and then the bad runner results rather than one good one bad. They always talk about the first 18 months being really, really successful. But yes, of course it's his first test as a year. He came in on a... I don't think it's a property. He came in on a huge wave of goodwill this time last year. He's been one of, if not our most successful manager ever. We've had a tremendous... I don't know, Street. He hates his phrased calendar year. No, we have. We've had a bit of a blip. So it's not really a test. And if it carries on for five, six, seven more games than it's a test, but he's... His goodwill... Palace is going to last for a long time. He's done... He's got far more in the credit column than he has in the debit column. And I imagine he's looking for solutions and tearing his hair out as much as we are. Yeah, he's only had a bit of a tiny bit of a transfer window and a transfer window. He's still building his own squad. I mean, a lot of these are players that he inherited. And he will know himself that some of them are. And also, we've had some bad performances, but we've not been hammered by anybody. Really? Yeah, Chelsea. Well, Chelsea is a bit anomaly, really. Well, actually, I know we glossed over the Southampton game in the first part. We literally spent like two minutes talking about it. Literally. Literally. But it was a good reaction to the Chelsea game. Yes, it was, yeah, yeah. With a dozen of them, we got hammered. And actually, we played very well. And for all the people who talked about Southampton being the team in the doldrums, they thrashed Arsenal over the... Exactly, yeah. And they're a very good team. They're a very good team. So it's probably not a slump, you know, inverted comments, because we can react well. And hopefully, we're against sitting. It's... I think it's more to do with the teams that we've lost against. If we've played ever to Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, the last four games, fine. But we've dropped... We've got two points from Swansea. Yeah, but that is some palaces. Well, it is, yes, that's so bad. But as I said... Almost only as good as the team that we're playing. Yeah, but as I tweeted last... And the better the team, the better we're playing. But as I tweeted last night, I thought we'd put a stake through the heart of that old palaces. It's like, well, we can't... In the end, we've not had to progress that. Yeah, man, he's in the blood. It's in the red and blood. But it's obviously the more successful we get, the more teams there are below us. That means the more the games we'll lose. Had my season ticket in now. We want to be four from bottom. It's just for those more teams we can win and we can beat. Well, it's still time. It's still, yes, basically. So I think that's... It's a reflection of the fact that we didn't score goals against teams, because in earlier in the season, we were doing well against the teams below us. Yeah, and we always looked like scoring, I think. Yeah, we were the last six weeks. We've not really had them. The thing is, I mean, don't... Do we have it? It's not like we haven't been unlucky, we haven't been great in chance. And that comes back to... It's not just a throughout striker we need. It's creativity and midfield. And then it comes back to when we've got the most creative midfield player who have had to raise his. Why is he playing so far? So deep. There's all sorts of... It's not as simple as buying a striker. It's as some sensible people say last night on Twitter. I think there's a point as well in terms of... It is probably part of your biggest test tactically so far, because if you play in a similar or the same way every week, eventually teams do get wise to you. And eventually you get found out a little bit and you've got to start sort of shifting up a little bit. And an example of, you know, Wenger having done that a little bit over the last year or so, he started making Arsenal play a slightly different way. They play a little bit more defensively now at times. Look to play on the counter. They've shifted things up and they've tried to evolve their style. Padre's now got a little bit of challenge on his hands because he's got to try and evolve a bit of a style. They have a power. So you can't keep relying on the fact that you're going to have Blassy fit every week and that you're just going to bond the ball to the wings all the time. Sometimes you're going to have to be able to play through the teams and you're going to have to, you know, have someone who can operate between the lines, which Punchin hasn't been done at times this season. Like it will be a bit of a test for him. I think he's, you know, Padre's proven that he's a good Premier League manager. So it's not... He's got the wherewithal to be able to deal with that test. But it's still one that he's going to have to grapple with. It comes back to what you've already said about it. I think it's fine to have a way, a way of playing, but you also need a way of changing it if that way of playing. So I imagine somewhere, there's probably a Leicester City podcast we're having a similar conversation alone because they've stopped scoring goals. They've stopped, you know, their style of play has been found out a little bit. You know, they had a great result against Tottenham playing really well, but before that, they hit the same sort of blip that they were having. I think they went three games without scoring. They lost a couple, so... And like you said, at the end, the Premier League is a really good league, and other teams will find a way of... And like I say, we're over performing earlier in the season. You've always been going to get our favourite phrase regression to the mean event. Your favourite phrase. Our favourite phrase. Um, next question then is from Sam. Hi Sam. Sam says, "With players like Cabay, Punch, and McArthur, why are we so reliant on wide players?" That's really great. That's a really good question. That's a really good question. What's the question that's now going to reveal why we're not football players? I don't know. No idea. Well, I suppose you... One of the answers to that is, we've such good, wide players, why haven't we got a... There's a goal score in Center 4, I see everything. We've got really good wide players, but how often do we see them putting crosses in? But he's asked a question that we've been to, he or she, sorry Sam, he's asked a question that we've been discussing all night. It's where the three players have talked about haven't been showing that creativity. That's part of the game. But that's part of it because as well there's no... Who they passed it, there's no target. They haven't got a gale who's playing on the shoulder to play through balls through. They haven't got, you know, Schimak, or Wickham hasn't been playing a player with their back to goal that he can use as a straight forward target man, or a Murray that he can look for his head, which is part of the problem. But that is a conundrum that needs to be solved at a much higher pay range than the more we're up there. Well, that is the test the part you've got, isn't it? Yeah, the loser asked questions, so... I mean, I think the problem is as well that it's accommodating... Because, yeah, Blassie's going to come straight back into the team, you can imagine Zahar's going to play. So, if you've got those two white men, you lose the spade, you know, where do you find it, where do you put the striker in, where do you put it, what do you do in the midfield with? You know, and it's the nature of white men, they're not in the game as often as other players are. Unless you change the system. Unless you change the system. Yeah, absolutely. It's also kind of natural that, you know, players like McArthur and Keburah, if they know they've got great options out on the wing to find, they'll go to that repeatedly, even if it's not drill. You know, if you've got a six for a big man up front, it's inevitable that psychologically and subconsciously, eventually, you're just going to start going, "Well, start lobbing it up to the big man." You know, it's inevitable that they'll find an easy outball. And if they've got two wingers like Zahar and Blassie, who they know can do things, it's inevitable that even if Pargy isn't telling them to put everything down the wings, which he probably is, they'll look for that ball anyway. But Blassie's been the kind of target man out of the wing. We know he can hold the ball and he's strong enough to give you a bit of time, but that relies on, if it's Blassie or if it's Wickham, it relies on the fact that the midfield players have then got ahead of him. And that's what they haven't been doing. Yeah. Whereas, like you say, in the Newcastle game where MacArthur was doing it, we're just very effective. I blame all on Hennessy personally. Yeah, obviously. It's a terrible footwork, right? OK, the next question is from Matt Philip Harris. I'm Matt Philip Harris. He says, "If you could pick one past Palace player to replace someone in our current 11, who would it be and why?" I'll put Lombardo in goal. That's a good question. That's a good question. I've heard Ian Wright up front. Yeah, he seems to be up front there. Well, how can you say you never saw Peter Simpson play? Oh, his dad talks about him all the time, don't he? But Ian Wright was on those players like Blassie. It's just that he made things happen that shouldn't have happened. It's just that energy that enthusiasm, that infection. Well, that's what we're missing. Since Blassie has been out, we talked about it in the previous section. It's that unpredictability and that energy and that that we're missing, which Blassie brings to it. And Ian Wright had that about him. I actually think... Very, very frustrating all the time. Yeah, but I think... I'm a much bigger fan of Blassie since he's been out and I was when he was in. Yeah, I know. That's true. Do you know what? I totally agree with you. I've realised how much we missed him. Yeah, but I wish we needed him. I was at Ian Wright, my first answer would be Lombardo, another one who could just make things happen. Lombardo, every now and again, would just look around and see there wasn't a parcel and just carry them all forward. In the same way that Johnny Williams perhaps could do, that's what... It's again, comes about two options. There's always... You're playing Lombardo in number 10, Ian? Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, did he ever play as a number 10? Well, we played a different system, didn't we? I can't remember anyway, so we can play when we wanted to. Yeah, true. And we were such a basket case of a team. Yeah, we were. It doesn't really matter, does it? Andy? That's a good question. Do you mean Andy? I said Ian Wright. Oh, yes, Ian Wright. Yeah, I said Ian Wright. We did. We did, I think, Wright, Ian. I think Wright, Ian. Well, obviously, I'd be disappointed in a few listeners, if I didn't say Jerry Murphy. Take care of good life, Jerry. OK, for his work, Wright alone. The next question is from John Haywood. Hi, John, how are you, John? I know, because he signed off his tweet, John Haywood. He says, "As a team, used to fighting for survival has complacency set in, and as fans, do we have unreal expectations?" I think both of those are very good points. I think they're both true. Yeah, to an extent. If you bear in mind that this time in the past two seasons, we've been dead and buried almost, and we've embarked on a really exciting time. And last week, I said maybe that will happen again, and we'll go up to second or third. But I think there is an element of complacency. I think for the whole club and the whole team, I think they're deafening ears. Everything about the club's got a little bit complacency. From the fans we were talking about in the last pod, like everything, it's got that complacency about it. You know, a pallet of the team that are always better when they're back against the world, you know, always. Yeah, and the thing is, you kind of, because we've sort of known that we won't be going down for a while, but then I'm going to touch with you. I thought we'd end the F, touch the MDF book. But then you kind of go, "Well, what are your targets then? What are you?" Because I'm not entirely sure part of you would want us to be the Europolique anyway. So then you go for the champion. I don't know. So you kind of, you sort of fall between those two things. We're not going down. We're not. Parrish always talks about always looking up, doesn't he? Always kind of. Yeah, that's why it's important. That's why your question about the FA Cup or finishing 11th is really an interesting one in the first part of the show, because I generally don't know the answer. But we need to mention that. Yeah, but I think his point is a very good one. And that's, again, that's another reason why you think, go and get a show of it and go and get, it doesn't have to be a strike. Can I get somebody who's going to lift the club? Lift the club. Yeah. Is that anything else? Yeah, it's the Franz D lifting. Yeah. And I think he would, because he's an aggressive little player. Well, we're not getting it. I know, but he's a London boy. He wants to get into the England team. That's why when you mention Johnny Williams, if you want. I'm not going to say he's the answer. But when he came on the other way, the whole ground was lifted. Of course, yeah. And that's why, in a way, he talks about the pressure on any striker who comes in on a loan or will be by. Give one of the kids a talk. Yeah. Because there'd be no pressure on them whatsoever. And then everyone will get behind them. And it always gives everyone on it. There's the one thing that you could say about Warnock, was that he didn't have any choice, but he gave young players a chance. And it lifts everybody. It always does. I could say many things about Warnock. Yeah, we could do, but you're a lawyer, so you won't. But it does need something. And that might be a cup run. It might be, you're right. It just needs something to kick a bit of, not enthusiasm. Was that still there? But it just, it's, we're in an odd situation where, we've got, we've got what we wished for. Yeah. In a way. Yeah, and it's great. As you say, we want to keep moving forward. Of course, yeah. I'm not saying we need to end up in the top four, anything like that. But you want to see something we are overperforming. Well, massively. We work well. We're not at the moment. No. We have to be in the grand scheme. We're in the grand scheme. We can't excuse it as well. Yeah. You've got to temper things a little bit. I mean, if you start the season in the manner that we did, people's expectations are going to arise. And that's fair enough. That is fair enough. And ultimately, then when you sort of go back to the level that you probably should be at anyway, then it becomes a little bit of a disappointment. I'd rather not. We're all realistic. We're all realistic. You know, we're realistic. But of course, you want the best for your team. Of course, you want them to do well. Of course, you, you want, we want to overachieve. Yeah. Of course, we do. Yeah. Right. Because we haven't much in the past. They're boys, so. Yeah. Okay, I'm, these two questions were sent in a couple weeks ago, and I've got to read them out. And they're both brilliant. I'm going to do one, I think. From my old. What are you doing for Christmas? Yeah. What was your favourite moment of 2015? Myles Lowdon. Hi, Myles. Myles. He's put in 1991, we finished third of the top division. Two years later, we were relegated. Is there anything we can learn from our past on how to maintain success at the top level? While you guys are thinking about that, I've been told that I have to apologise for saying that last season was our highest ever finish, which was a complete slip of the tongue. No, April, really. Premier League. Premier League. I intimated that football was only invented in 1984, and that was pointed out by Lee McBride. So sorry about that, guys. That's the question. The thing about that 1991 team, as James Shaw wore. I remember it very well. I mean, it was a brilliant team. We should have been in Europe. We should have been in Europe. We were cheating out of the team. The UEFA and Liverpool. That's true. Hey, we were not an attractive team to watch. And we have achieved. We have achieved. But what we didn't do is that Ron Nodes refused to invest. And he publicly stated that at the time, he refused to invest in buying new players, which meant that the players we had accused us rightly of lacking ambition. So that team was broken up. Ron Nodes later on, 10 years later on, argued that his financial common sense, although I might actually save the club at the time, and that he was not spending money we didn't have. But that team, that brilliant team, was virtually disbanded within the team. It was within a month. Two seasons. So the big difference is that we have more ambition now. We actually have money and we can keep on. I think Nodes was in the situation where he took the decision that we were massively out of that depth in a way that we weren't a club that could sustain that level of football when he wasn't going to spend money trying to do it. Yeah, you have to remember it was a long time ago in the world, it was a different place. And also, you know, the idea of going back down, going down back, it was all that, well, we'll go next season, all the season after. Well, now it's, you know, it's a lot more difficult. It wasn't a disaster for Nodes to go that way. Yeah, exactly, yes. Okay, Miles, another question. I'm going to read his other question now next week because I've got, we've only got a few more. This is a fantastic question from a guy with a brilliant name, Crispin Chapel. Hi Crispin. What's your name? Hi Crispin. This is great. Do you know, on any other occasion, where two teams have played each other, where one team's strip was donated to the other in their history? Palace play and the colours they do, because as the glaziers way back in the beginning of their time, Villa lent them their first ever strip to play. The club set first, club secretary came down from Villa. Head hunted from Villa, and he came down with a trunk of old Villa kids. Well, we did that to Barnes there, any two seasons ago, or four seasons, guys, sorry. We let them off, we let them all awake to play. The reason the event is where black and white stripes is because not counting. Not counting, yeah. Not counting to lend them a kid. So it was quite old. This is see now, you've started me off now. Oh, here we go. Football kids in the 1880s and 1890s were like really garish, like rugby, like Everton used to wear salmon and blue quarters, and they were really, but there was, there was quite a lot of teams lending each other sets of kit. So yeah, but we wore that clarinet and blue for 20 odd years, and then started to get really inventive with our kids for a team in a row. Yeah, so yeah, it's actually really quite common if anyone's ever read Jonathan Wilson's book, Invert in the Pyramid, which is a little bit of a history of football. And he talks about how, effectively, because obviously football started in England, a lot of the badges that you see on the continent, a lot of stuff are linked to sort of those club names, their strips, et cetera, all sort of derives on those original English clubs. Also, good book, worth reading. It's very good book. In Spain and Italy, they call the manager mister. Yeah. Because most of the first managers were English. Oh, wow. The one thing I haven't been able to find out about, because there was a Palace team in the 80s, 80s, and 90s. I can't find out what kit they wore. Ooh, if anybody knows. Were they, were they workers from the? So yeah, they were. The exhibition. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's a good question. We will be dipping in back in time in the next part, when we were for in this week. Yes, we'd love to see you on the training. You would let me look at the book. I wouldn't. No, because that was for the surprise. But the final question then this week, and I apologise to people to send questions. And we can't read them all the way to loads this week. But thank you for your questions. But the final question is from Richie Wiseback. Oh, how about Richie Wiseback? Give a regular for sending questions in. And he says with news this week, that David Bowie very sadly passed away, which Bowie song best represents our effort against first Southampton and second Lee Villa? A little crikey, that's a difficult one. I tell you what, I think between the two. If only he had some changes. Changes. Changes, yeah, definitely. If only he had an expert on that. I think on this one, we might defer to someone. (LAUGHTER) I think, well, I think one of James could first of all, though, I think elaborate on how he was introduced on the LBC this week. Oh, yeah, I was in... I'm just known as the Flat White Juke, of course. Which is paraphrasing the... The thin white juke. The thin white juke. And I got a phone call from LBC News on Monday, evening about five o'clock. That's if I do an interview about Bowie and what it meant to me and people. And the guy who's put into the show introduced me as James Endicott, who's worked with lots of bands in the past like the Libertines and the Strokes. And he's also known as the Flat White Duck. (LAUGHTER) I think it's not really a song, I think it's more of an album title. It's also the rise and fall of Crystal Palace and The Boys in Red and Blue. Yeah, it's a spot. Well, we should play that. We should play the London Boys, is it? Yeah, the London Boys, it's a play out track. Can we go, are you pretty things for the Saturday and then... Possibly, yeah. But yeah, the rise and fall of Crystal Palace and The Boys in Red and Blue. Very good. Well, is there a Bowie song, you're an expert. Is there a, I think, hunky Dory had a song called "Fall On Off A Bit Lately". (LAUGHTER) No, it reverted to the mean, that was it, wasn't it? Yeah, very, very common dog shit. Very, very sort of lost track that one here. Yeah, it's from the date of years. Brilliant, it's a football analytics spreadsheet. Right, thank you for your questions and listeners. There's a bit of Bowie loot and I'm hungry for my gravy. (LAUGHTER) Hungry for my gravy. Thank you for your questions and listeners. Part three, we're going back in time. Fantastic questions this week and the poor judge, the ones we couldn't read out. We're going back in time for "In This Week". So, join us in a bit. (MUSIC) Hello, welcome back to the five year plan podcast. - What? - Hey, you good. We're going back in time for part three. Oh, sponsored by Vector Printing for all your printing boarder you need. Go to vector.co.uk and that's Vector with a... - K. - K. And JCIS, the global research and brand consultancy from south London. Visit JC-IS.com. - We'll do. - Good. Time to go back in time for "In This Week". - Ooh. - And we're the "Get in Hard Time" machine. - Ooh. - Don't know what that is. - Ooh. - To go back to the... - Can I go back to like Monday night before the villain? - No, it's only. We're going to go back to Friday the 13th of January. - Ooh. - A bit spooky and that ties in nicely because we signed... - What year? What year? - 1995. - That's all. Who did "Palace Sign" from Southampton for £400,000? - 1995. - The Rocket Man. - Ooh. - Ian Dowie. - Ian Dowie. - Oh, wow. - You were in a privy league? - Yeah. He only played for us for like six months, didn't he? - Yeah. - 'Cause he missed at the end of that season. - Yeah. - Yeah. - We actually signed him. - Yeah, we signed him, yeah. - Interesting. - And then he went straight off to West Ham afters, I think, didn't he? Again, I'll probably get a stroppy email from him on that. But yeah. - You know, he once called like a bicycle for "Palace", from where it walls in the cup, which must have been that year, where all the goals were brilliant. - Brilliant goals, yeah. - And pictures scored from like 40 yards, and they almost got it stuck in the stand. And Dowie's called a bicycle. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Also, he scored in and a fake-up semi-final for "Palace". - Oh, yeah. - At Villa Park. - The first time that we played "Man United". - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Sadly, it was game, but he scored in that. - Okay, another transfer, two days later, but in 1998, so two days and three years later, "Palace" smashed their transfer record by bringing in who? - Valyrian Ushmoam. - Ishmael. - And now they how much it was. - So 3.25, yeah. - No, less than that, was it? - 2.75. - 2.75 million. - Yeah, it seemed a lot of the time, didn't it? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Went on to get a Champions League winner's medal, though. - He did? - He was without a doubt. I don't know what went wrong with our scouting system then. - It went wrong there. - But that was just horribly horrible. I remember that game I played against. It was home, it was on Skye. - Wimbledon. - Home against Wimbledon. - Karl Lieben got a hat trick. - Karl Lieben, yeah. - I don't think he got a... Oh, he might have done that. - I think he did. - I think he did. No, it was... - That's just one of them. - That's one of the worst games I've ever seen. - It was about a doubt, yeah. - With that, as well as the Charlie Beatts. I mean, five minutes, so that's part. - It's interesting, because he clearly went on to become a good player. There's lots of sort of thinking around helping players to integrate, and you do wonder whether had, you know, come up in a bit more advanced at that stage in terms of helping players to adapt to come from a foreign country, and so that, you know, settling in with a house and all that sort of stuff. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Which led that we now have, like, the ASON's officers, the club's to help deal with that sort of stuff, but they didn't in those days. - I don't think, I don't think we had any sort of European or foreign-scale assistant at all. It was all videos in those days. It was just sending certain people to club videos, saying he's a good player. - Why weren't you saying that we didn't do due diligence? And it's that, because I'm... - Oh, yeah, yeah. - I think anyone did that. - Yeah, yes. - Is this how you want to say it? I'm saying there were reasons that players were signed for... - Yeah. - But let's not. - Let's just imply it. - There's one here from the 16th of January. - There's something in a gold wheelbarrow for the cash. - Okay, we're moving on. There's one here from the 16th of January that Andy alluded to, I think, a few weeks ago. Palace were dumped out at the FA Cup in a third round replay against Port Vale losing four, three after extra time. Who got only a second of a gold for Palace? - Is it Gaertailer again? - Yeah, and this prompted a number of iconic T-shirts made up, Bering legend, Ice or Tailor's score. - Oh yeah, which is Dankot upset about, really. - Yeah, really. - 1981, 17th of January, just 15,000 people turned up a seller to witness whose last game in charge of Palace? - 1981. - Murray. - Nope. - Oh, Kemba. - Nope. - No, no. - Malcolm Allison. - How about us? - Wow. - Do you say just 15,000? That was a good crowd for 1981. - Fed off to like 4,000 when another Murray came in charge. - Yeah. - Two of the eighties. - Yeah. - Yeah, 82, 83, we were getting four, yeah. - That was the key for that. - Yeah, that was team-based, isn't it? - Yeah, it wasn't. - Allison came back, didn't he? - Of course I could get in there. - It was a nil, nil, draw against Wolves. - Yeah. - More transfers, 18th of January, 1999. This one hurts me bad. - Castret Palace. - Sadly. - We're giving a shot in the arm. - The least we can do to our listeners is... - Oh, that's what we're going to do. - Says the guy that pronounced it Albeit. - Yeah, because it's pronounced Albeit, that's fine. - Albeit. - I know exactly what you're going to say. It was Matt Jansen being sold to Blackbird. - Oh. - £4.1 million. - Which is a lot of money. - JayDee, it's a favourite player. - My favourite player is actually. Well, because you look a bit like it. - Yeah, I can't tell the hair, but I have done since I was 14. - He was... I was convinced that he was going to be an England. - Well, I think he was. Until he had the accident while he was a Blackbird. - He was going to put... - Was it Carlisle we going from? - Yes. - For a million pounds. - Yeah. - And how much did we sell this Blackbird for? - £4.1. - £4.1 million. - It was a lot. I mean, a lot of money. - Yeah, but the weird thing about Jansen is... - He's a granddad, don't he? - Yeah, I'm sorry. (laughing) - Jansen's got a 3.5, 3.5, 3.5. - Yeah, he's got a 3.5. - But we like... Jansen, I think, is still a player that a lot of Palace fans really, really took to their hearts. - Yeah. - And he only actually... How many games do you think he played to Palace? - Not many, actually. I don't think he played that many for us. - I'm going to guess... - I'm going to guess... - Full season. - No, because he started in the Premier League and he played a good few that season and then it was the following season we went into administration. So I'm going to guess like 32. - 33. - Oh! - He only played 33 games of Palace and yet he's someone that... - Of course, you've got two. - You've got two by a favourite players. - It's got two seasons. - Of course, a two, sort of half seasons, I guess. - Really? - It's got 11 goals. And yet, you know, he's someone that if you ask about your favourite Palace players, he'll be in a lot of games. - No, that's you. - For me, obviously. - Yeah, for me, I'd love to... It means me only played that many games. - And I don't think Lombardo played many more. - I'm just not allowed to play very well. - I'm a 50. - We do love a cult hero who plays hardly any games of Palace. - Yeah, well, we need one now. - We need one now. - You scored 11 in 33, that's pretty good. - That's not bad for a player that wasn't even really a striker. - It was a struggling team. - Yeah. - Tacking me forward. - It was kind of like the doogie freeman type. - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Now, we normally end these on a Brighton, a Palace Brighton score from back in the day, but I can't find one. - So there wasn't one in this week. - Well, what you did well there was to draw tensions. - Yeah, yeah. - Rather than just not doing it. - Well let's end on the Matt Janssen memory. - Yeah, it's a jolly good memory. - There we go. What a player he was for Palace. - He was. - And now manager, Charlie, I believe, in non-league or conference or something. I should have researched that like that. - Yeah, he should have. - But best of luck to him, whatever he's doing these days. - Well, you know exactly what he's doing because you stalk him for legal purposes. I cannot confirm that. Right, that is the end of in this week. Thank you for going back in time with us listeners. In part four, we're going to look forward to a part of his trip to Man City. - Thank you for talking time with us. - I don't know. - Thank you for listening to the part that he's coming. - Yeah, thank you. - So it's bizarre that polite, thank you for coming back. - You've been not switching off. - It's what Dr. Who never does. You've never thanked me. - Exactly, thank you for coming back in time with me. - Exactly. - Yeah, that's why it's not a very good show. - It's a bit of a time lord. - Part four, we're going to look forward to Man City away. So, Johnson of it. [MUSIC] - Welcome back to the five, your plan podcast. - Yeah. - We're nearly done. - Yeah, all right, we're nearly there. Pod 1.64 sponsored by JCIS, the Global Research and Brand Consultancy from South London. - Oh, sorry. - I know, I don't know. - Oh, cool. - Where was I? - Oh, yes, the Global Research and Brand Consultancy from South London. Visit JCIS.com and vector printing for all your printability needs. Go to vector.co.uk and it's vector with a. - K-K. - And, okay. - Correct. - Palace is next game is away at Man City in the league. We spoke about the Chelsea game and how the reaction at Southampton was good to having an off day against Chelsea. We had another off day against Villar. What given how good City are and how well they're playing, what's the best we can expect or hope for from Palace Theatre? - No, I'm much cheerier than I was before I started this pod. - And there you go. - Just being in the company of Palace fans. And I suppose if we talk about typical Palace, you wouldn't be surprised if you win. But the form we're in, it just worries me that City only have to score one to win, basically. And you can't see them not. - I can't see his playing as bad as we played against Villar. - No, that's for sure. - You'd imagine a low scoring defeat is what you'd imagine. - We've never won at it ever. - We haven't played that many times. - I record against Man City. He's not been particularly good away from home. We do tend to play better against good sides. City will give us a little bit of space. At the moment, as you say, without Balassie, without... It's hard to see where Gold's coming from for us. - It's almost like we're almost sort of going into it aiming for a nil-nil. - I think we've got ready. - I just think we are going into it looking for a performance. That's what we're looking for. It's almost, I'm not saying the result is irrelevant. It's not irrelevant, of course, because it's a points game. But I just think we're looking for a performance. I think I'd like to come back here next week and we're all just like looking to think, "Well, you know what? "At least I had the bit between the teeth and went for it." And just show some sort of thought, which seems to be lacking against Villains. If any thought about what's going on, you were saying to yourself, "You were there, nobody seemed to know what was out of throw. "What was in the midfield? What was going on?" Nobody really knew what was going on. I'd like to see the team organised and just get into it. - Well, maybe it'd be easier because you know what you're going to get against City. - That's true. The villa started off playing quite well. Was it sort of unexpected? - Yeah, exactly. - It was an unknown sort of quantity. But I think we've got two really difficult games coming up. Well, we've won with everything. - I mean, bear in mind, we were playing better. At the start of the season, we all thought that run at the start was going to be difficult. - Yeah, absolutely. - And Palace came through it very well. And if we can come through this next run of games and not be too shattered in terms of confidence and injuries and whatever, then the rest of the season's looking OK, isn't it? - If we came away for the next two games, we're two points. - I'd be very happy. - Yeah, I think I would too. - Yeah, definitely. - Is there anything you guys would change in terms of personnel who would line up for the City game? I know we're limited with injuries. - Yeah, we are limited. - I think soccer or style of his field. I don't know. No, in fact, I don't. - I don't know. - I think he made a stop. - I think he made a stop. - Campbell actually played quite well against Southampton and was doing what Sako wasn't doing on Saturday, which was running the line and passing defenders and offering an outlet. He might not score, but he does do those other bits and offer, even just like you said in part one, a bit of energy around the team. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Which was missing on Tuesday. So is he worth a start ending? - No. [LAUGHTER] - That's a great wall for that question. I take your point and I think he's far better. Number nine playing in that team than Sako, who I've spoken about before. But if Wickham's fit, you start him. - Yeah, he does the stuff that Campbell does, but actually knows how to play football, which is a bit of a bonus for a striker. - And he will, Wickham will hold the ball up while whoever it is, tumbles forward. - And it warriors that Wickham won't be fit to start. - Yeah, he's not. The trouble is we haven't got any impact players or something. Wickham, Shamaq, Campbell, Sako, none of them are players that you'd have on the bench to bring on if you're in trouble. - No. - So much. - No. - They're all squad players really in there. - I mean, they're good squad players. - That's awesome. - No, no, no. We're a good, strong, competent team, but man City are one of the better teams in Europe with a chance of winning the Champions League. So if we do lose, then we won't be any disgrace. Again, it's a question we always say, how many of their team would get an out team? And the answer is probably all of them. - Yeah. - Basically, how many of our first 11 would get in there? - Goodbye. - Goodbye. - A push. - Possibly, but it's not fit. So, you know, Dan and Delaney might be, because they're struggling for centerbacks, but the answer is that pretty much in every position they've got better players than we have. - But then they did when they came, you know, when they came to center. - Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean - It doesn't necessarily mean that we can't get a good result. - Yeah. - So it means that's how realistic we have to be. - You're looking for it. Remember, we went there in the first promotion season on the PULIS, and we went there and we lost one nil, but we played one. - We played well until they scored. - Yeah. - And we had a much worse score to team that day. - Yeah. - You want that kind of thing. - That is the thing about this round city team is they are brilliant team, but they do have their off days. - They do have their off days. - And it's not just a way that they can see goals as well. But I think as James says, it's going to be the approach. You're just looking for a reaction. - That's all I'm looking for, yeah. - You want to see that they're cross. You want to see that they're annoyed. Do you want to see that they've taken on board the criticism? - Yeah. - Basically. - I don't know. - And you want to see Hennessy's footwork improve the street. - I want to see him dancing in the six yard box. - Even then, he won't be dancing correctly. - No, no, of course he won't be in all. - It'll be all Lengudman on him. - Yeah. - He had his heels on the floor where his toe never falls. - We can't lie. - Like that reference. - Doing the Lenganley Stans. - Don't worry. - No, there'll be a few listeners out there. - I want to say the Lenganley Stans. - I'm going to be googling it right now. - Three or four, that'll get it. - That'd be really happy. There'll be three or four households ever. Self-lundable. Exploding with birth and joy. - That was the other 5,000 we got. - What's Granddad talking about now? They had what sort of biscuits? - Right. - I think you need to stop this now. - Yeah, we do. - I don't know where it's going. - Good, okay. - You've lost the two old ones. - I think that's a good point. - Well, I say it's a big one. - It's the home one, don't you? - Yeah, okay. - We're going to wrap up the pod there. Chatsang's for joining me. Listeners, thank you for listening and for your questions. We will return after the Man City game to hopefully talk over Palace's shock. But welcome, Victoria. Yeah, I don't know why I said that. I've just changed it. Thanks for listening. - I'm a plan out with a David Bowie song which Kevin can introduce. - London Boys. - Yeah. - And you're at any particular reason? - Well, just because he's from London. He made me very proud to be from South London. He was a very rarely to say the word genius, but he was a true genius. I had two reasons for being proud of South London when I was growing up. 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As the sadly departed David Bowie once sang "when it's good it's good but when it's bad we all fall apart", and that's just how the FYP pod feels after Palace's win at Southampton was followed up by a horror defeat at Aston Villa. Jim, Andy, Kevin and James pick over the bones of those games and ask what went right/wrong. They also go back in time to some poignant moments in Palace's history for In The Week and answer your Twitter and Facebook questions. So join us for an hour (and a bit) of chat from the highest ranked CPFC podcast on iTunes.
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