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So let's do it. [MUSIC] Hello listeners, welcome to this week's five-year plan podcast. [MUSIC] Sponsored by Vector Printing or your print and embroidery needs. Go to Vector.co.uk and let's Vector Wither. Okay. Okay. Correct. And also JC, bless you, JCIS, the Global Research and Brand Consultancy from South London. Visit JC-IS.com. We will. They need a thing. We were doing those bigger than Jesus Christ things, aren't we? They stopped. Some of us felt offensive. Every time I did what did one, though, something went wrong. They were like Jeremy Corbyn and he's now out of favour at the Jesus Christ and then he ended up dying. So it's been all sorts of stuff going on with the ones we used. So we're not doing that anymore. He came back, though. He did come back. We talked about Jeremy Corbyn. Well, he definitely came back. Good for the ending there, if someone's not ready to book. [LAUGHTER] Right. Well, anyway, JCIS are on board and we love them. So, let's talk about, well, let's introduce this week. It's the Fab Four. It's the usual crew. Came to end the car. Hello. Kevin Day. Hello. And Andy Street. Hello. And let me get this straight. We're looking forward, looking back. Yeah. And we're travelling back in time. We are here. Wow. It's a veritable TARDIS show now. Basically. Yeah. We're doing it. We're covering all the way. Just used to be using it. We're flatted with a guitar on Ellicott's. How far we can't be there. The guitar's gone, though. No, no, let's not. No, no, no. It's not in the cover tonight. I think it's time for the guitar to come back. Good day. Good day. Good day. Anyway. Right. Let's talk about Palace. Five on win over Newcastle. Biggest ever Premier League win. Most of our goals in a Premier League match. First time this season we've come from behind to win a game. So, plenty of records, broken. And also, pretty much everything we spoke about in the last pod that we hoped would happen. That didn't. Has come true. I guess. They didn't drop a lassie. Yeah, no. But he's punching it and ended up playing wider. The midfield players got in the box. Crosses were coming in first time. Yeah. Everything worked. Well, it's... But, oddly, after the goal we gave away was also linked to what we talked about in the podcast. Because Will was mucking about and lost the ball on one flank. Swari committed himself to a tackle he didn't need to make on the other flank. Punched him. Punched went in and didn't get in. And didn't. Yeah. So, it was like straight away three or four things we identified weren't happening. But then, we did play very well. There's no point to know we played very well, but Newcastle were a basket case. When the first goal went in, it was weird. Because, obviously, Monday night hadn't held because we had lost and that had kind of set up a bit of a weird mood. And not made this a must-win game or anything, but put a bit of pressure on it. When the first goal went in, I turned to Rob Sutherland. And we looked at each other and we both said, "Is this the beginning of the slide?" Yeah. Here we go. Especially after we talked about an last week's pod. We could look about at night seven when it all went terrible. Yeah. We suddenly thought, "Hang on a minute. Is this going to be..." But their goal was an indication of their problems because Will thought it'd been disallowed because no one went to celebrate with CSO. Because CSO was celebrating on his own idiotically. Right. He was successful doing that, isn't he? Well, he did get thrown into stuff with thrown at him last year, wasn't he? Yeah, but he's got a grid. But most of the other players, all by one, tripped off back to the center circle. And so I thought we must have been disallowed. They didn't even celebrate. And I was talking to a Newcastle fan after. So basically what we did was equalize first. Yeah. They said the most... They were... I don't know. It's interesting that Chris Camaro was talking about yesterday that Pardier used his knowledge of their defenders. Especially with Wickham. Yeah. But they defended us. That was awful. Wickham was really, really good. It looked from the start, it looked like there had been a little tweak of system. Because it looked like it got a little bit from the 4-2-3-1. So almost a 4-4-4-2. Did it look like a 4-4-4-6? It was a classic center, but playing up to a punch was left. And then punch was left, but Wickham was sort of rough. But the punch being left thing was interesting. So I don't know how other people know it. It's just that when first 10 minutes while I was getting really done down that side, it was really isolated. And Delaney followed the punch in a couple of times and basically pointed out into where he wanted him to be. And then he went to Pardier. So I don't know whether the plan was that the punch was meant to start there. It wasn't. Or whether Delaney spotted that needed sorting out an incentive to Pardier. But as soon as that happened, the shape was really good. And I thought, well, I see down the middle was excellent. And when he did go wide, the crosses were fantastic. But Wickham, I thought, was so mobile, certainly compared to Monday. And his touch was much better than I thought it was. Wickham was a revelation. Yeah, really. I think he had a hand in just a bit of, well, certainly the first three goals. Wickham was my second man in the match, just behind James McArthur. Who, nothing. No, the other? I thought James McArthur had his best game. Unbelievably bossed the whole game. He ran the game from 10 yards further on than he normally does. What if I had the whole team? The whole team was a 10 yards further. Kebai was great in that normal breaking-up play sort of role. But because McArthur was so prominent, Kebai was less so than before. But clearly, I'd also McArthur getting in the box. Newcastle clearly had the fact that he was never marked. Well, that was something that you, Kevin, have mentioned on quite a few pods. Whoever's up top, whoever's up top, it doesn't matter if they're there if there's no one getting in the box. And yet the first goal McArthur scored, Wickham turned. He played to McArthur and there was four other panics players on it. Well, we've mentioned it more in trying to make excuses for Blasian Zaha in that they are very frustrating. But as we've said, there are quite a few times that have been when they've looked up and there's been no one there, but that just wasn't the case on. And I think that's the reason they were getting the crosses earlier, because they knew that somebody was going to be in the box. I mean, it helped that when Wickham got the cross in for the second goal, but four Newcastle defenders literally ran over the ball. Oh, I mean, it was Sunday league style. Yeah, it was, but also they turned it, but they kept, as Alan Shearer pointed out on Chris Carmel pointed out, they turned their backs. The first three goals, the guy it deflected off from McArthur's goal, turned his back. Young Matt turned his back on Wilf Wilf. Somebody turned it back on Wilf. Unmarked and he was 10 yards away, but you can't. The least you expect from your defenders is to get a ball on the face. Just lunge at the ball, do anything, just can't, you can't do that. And it's just, they just looked at him. They were terrible. They were really, they were really in hindsight. They were the perfect team for us to play after Monday night. Oh, I do think we probably would have beaten most teams in the league playing like that, if we played like that from the start. But if we'd gone one-nil down, it might have been different against another two. And also, I think it also reflects how good a manager on advice is at this level as well, because some of them did a job on us. None of us wanted to admit that. No, but he did a job on us, but I don't think if, I don't think some, Anadas could do that with that Newcastle team. I just don't think, I just think they're bowlers. I don't know why McCarran did that game against Sunderland and go, right, that guy knows how to do it. Because they have another defense through that. They have another defense through that. But they do, he went to three centre backs at the start of second half, and he sees the goal straight away. Why don't you just look it and go without, we've got to stop the Latians hard. We know that, and, you know, give, part of his credit, they didn't do much tinkering, but he just did enough to work. I think they expected Newcastle to be a similar sort of proposition, but they just, they were just laughable. So, I can't remember the last time, as soon as we went two on up, and I'm the most pessimistic, the Palace fan of all, but even I went two on up, it's just a matter of when we're not going to lose. There was a game years ago when we played, when we, when Lombardo was still here, we went down and played Norwich at home. And they went one new up against them. And then, Nicky Rizzo scored from like 40 yards, or it wasn't 40 yards, but 18 yards. And it was exactly the same thing. You said new from then on first, and then we're naturally, that ended five on as well. But does Andy Street, who's been quiet so far? Well, I'm only good at dissecting his career in trash. Well, let me, and there's good stuff going on. I've got my position. I'll see you in an hour then. I'll pick back. Does, does then, because we have like all season, but last season is not a striker, but last season is not a striker. It's way through the middle, but it's Saturday. An example of actually with the right system, but last season can be an absolute threat. Well, it was, as you say, a bit of a change of system really. I'm all for, sometimes saying that 442 is outdated, because again, some teams who pack them in field properly, then you do end up a man down. But when you're playing against such an anemic team like Newcastle, they have nothing in the middle anywhere that have nothing down the flanks and have absolutely abject centre backs. It can actually read dividends. You saw that in the kind of couple, whatever it's called, when we played Charlton as well, another sort of similarly poor team you could encode with just a normal flat 442 with just good players in a position. But lastly, no, I don't think he would work as the sort of lone front man as we've kind of seen tried on occasion this season and last season. But yeah, if you get him playing close to working, I thought he was absolutely fantastic. He's now starting to actually anticipate balls into the box better. It's the second time this season after the West Brom game, where he's followed in and actually carried on the run for a set piece and ended up scoring at the far post in front of the homestyle. And he's just playing with a lot more intelligence and even the goal he scored in the first half, you know, and how many times did we say last season about his erratic finishing and how he glazed things? Why and why? I mean, it'd be very easy for anyone to come in there to sort of lean back. On their week of fur. On their week of fur. You know, glaze it over the bar, but again, a very calm finish. So it was kind of strange gaming in some ways in that you didn't know quite which it was, whether it was new cost being that bad or pallet playing well. And it's probably a combination of both. I was more encouraged by the last second goal, because that was a proper striker's goal for me. Yeah, it was. Because like you said, I don't know if it was, again, it starts to till, because Newcastle was so important and the marking was so bad. I don't know if that was a, if it was a training, it looked like it. It's not, it's not a very sole one. It hit lump it forward to somebody as I'm marked. But like you say, but Lassie's anticipation was good. And also the finish was really good as well. So that gave me more encouragement that he could play. But I think Andy's right. I don't think he'll ever be able to play as a lone striker. But I probably part you would say wasn't 4-4-2. It's more 4-4-1. And then he called us idiots? I don't yet. But I thought it was interesting that Wickham was the one that was kind of in the past. It's been B'Lassie and I was a horror-sucker that had been sort of mobile and moving across the back four of them. Wickham was doing everything, wasn't it? Everything you ask of a lone man running the channels, holding it up, winning headers. Yeah, but he wasn't feet. He wasn't lone really. That's the thing, because we were hunt for the first time this season. We were hunting impacts the whole time. But I, again, the worry is we're wicked because you look at his goal scoring record. But if he could do that, then many assists. He didn't. He didn't. He didn't. He didn't actually have any clear, but I can think of any clear chances. Well, the golfers are hard. It's only like Cameron Jerome, I think, Paul. He would have tried a shot from there. Whereas he looked, you could see he was looking as soon as he touched it past the defender. He was looking all the time. Yeah, it was really, really terrible. And B'Lassie a second goal that won me to talk to you about. Yeah, he took it off Wickham's toes. So Wickham was there. And it's only a sixth game for Palace or seventh game or something. And wards, again, the back four underneath. The ward looked like the energy he didn't have on Monday night. And also because we were playing more at front, he didn't need to slow it down and stop and wait for him to get out of sight because other players were doing that. So it was really, it was actually very pleasant to watch. It was a perfect sponsor, as you said. It was a perfect sponsor Monday. Yes, I think it's almost like you could talk more about how bad Newcastle were than how good we were. I think they, but saying that, we actually went there and we did a job on them. And we got five goals from open play. And it could have been a lot more for those four. Towards the end, yeah, punching, blazing over board, blazing over, you know, it could have been a lot, lot worse for us. So it was quite easy to see the number of opportunities being carved out by Palace all bit against it. Absolutely terrible. We did get pointed out by listeners that every time you say B'Lassie should be dropped. I know, that's what we do. Can you get a crush on the game? These are rubbish away. Everton is a terrible grail for him. But punching, I thought punching looked, that's close to his best performance of the season, I thought. Just because I thought it was the first ten or so. I think so, yeah, I think that was his best performance. Because for the first time this season, he had a role. He knew where to be and what to do. And some of his crossing, because B'Lassie's a hard play so well, it wasn't really picked up on any of the TV shows. But his crossing was brilliant, punching was crossing. Really, really good. Well, it was the one for the B'Lassie opportunity for the action, which was just a super. Which is probably one of the best crossing you've seen going from a Palace Wing of this season. I don't throw it. It doesn't barely ever play as a wing of use. The energy at the end as well, for B'Lassie still to have that energy. For MacArthur still to get it. I think MacArthur won it in first place. He did, he did, yeah. And then to have that energy to get out there in school, that was... Yeah. Well, let me put this in. Who, I would say MacArthur was the man on a match on Saturday. For his all actions, play, but who would you say he was? Plenty of contenders. I thought before, the other thing was, you know, we probably were a bit too unfair. Monday night we were poor, and I think we were quite as disastrous as we made before. We got out done. We just got out of thought. It was disappointing. But we did have that moment. I think B'Lassie for me was... Well, again, it's a good problem to have, because I'm sure there would be people arguing two or three players. But B'Lassie probably for me would be... Wicken would have a shout. Yeah, Wicken would have a shout. Certainly, MacArthur would definitely have a shout. B'Lassie would definitely have a shout. OK, it's a funny thing with B'Lassie. We talked before when he's... He's really good. Oh, he's not. He just hasn't got that thing that other players like Arunis got. Even when he's playing badly, he can make something out of it. What was so great is that he obviously had a great game, and he scored two goals. Yeah. So that's now a joint top scorer, I think. Yeah, yeah. Which, you know, which... And we all know this game is mainly about confidence. Yeah, yeah. But he looks like... Yeah, that can only bode off the future. He looks like he wants to take responsibility when he plays more in the middle. He looks like he really wants to make things happen. He's like, which is half the battle, really, because he's just... He had more enthusiasm on his own than the whole Newcastle team. And that's... It's no wonder Newcastle fans will stop. So we're ever talking to some of the pub afterwards. It's more resignation and upset. It's just kind of... They all think they're going down, and it's like... Well, if they... Unless they bring... Play like that in the future than they are. He's called a china, we've been linked for called a china a couple times. I was a bully there, I think. I would have been... I would have been denied when he was first linked. I would have been denied. I would have said, whatever it takes, get called a china down, because he's... He's one of most players, he's a leader. But he was just... I don't know whether he'd just go up or whatever. He's just fed up, but he's just... Because to be beaten that easily by Wickham, it shouldn't... It should just shouldn't happen, really. But it doesn't mean you realise just how good, you know, every week we talk about... Delaney, who obviously we had on the podcast, and... However, he impresses us by doing so on each week. But we compare it to other defences. That, Delaney and Dan partnership. It is so good, isn't it? We are lucky to have this. This is the Jim Snow, because we've got... They were talking... We saw the second highest number of goals on set pieces. And considered the second fewest. Right. From set pieces. So... That's obviously not the part of you in defensive coaching, but... However... Particularly Dan and... Oh, I've got staff. Oh, good. There's only two teams in the league. Who have conceded more shots than us this season. And they are Newcastle and Sunderland. They're not only pot shots in dangerous areas as well. If anything, Palace are over performing in terms of goals conceded. That's interesting. Wow. So I don't know whether... What would we put that down to not being a defensive shield in front of the back four? Or sort of playing them all open style? But, yeah, lots of the sort of data and stats, guys. So, yeah... You should have been thinking more about it. Technically, do you mean the Foes gold count as a shot, wouldn't it? You probably, yeah. Yeah, probably. Well, that's an interesting stat, though. But that's an interesting stat, though. Yeah, and yeah, only three teams, I think, have actually conceded less goals than Palace's fewer. Fewer goals than Palace this season. So that's an interesting stat. I mean, it does make you wonder whether you'll get the whole sort of regression to the main thing. We'll have, like, some weird games where we can see, like, three... And it looks like a marginal game. But, you know, at the moment, if you're riding, you're like, "Why not?" You know, I mean, are we going to come out games, like, getting up to the tournament by anyone? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought Paju's comments afterward were quite interesting. Because, clearly, there's rumours that did lay into them on after the Sunday game. Clearly, a couple of things he said when he said he'd mentioned to the players that, "Oh, we're at top 16. Well, we're just happy to bobble about in the middle." And I think you could tell he got a responsibility. So, I know there were Palace fans already last week. Yeah, we had second season syndrome with Paju. He was famous for it. But it's clear the players still really like him. And that was a definite response. Because time's gone by. Going one-nil down after Monday night, we would have folded it. Yeah, absolutely. And we did the opposite. And, again, we can talk about a new class, two-wheeler in the face. But you can only beat what's in front of it. And in time's gone by, we've played four teams, and we've beaten them on-nil, two-nil, to actually keep going and keep scoring. It's interesting. You can score ten. That, for me, was one of the best things about the Saturday was the fact that we just carried, even when we went through, you want to be carried on, we carried on. We just want to keep on scoring, keep on scoring. And it was, you know, it was just great to see that energy and just, you know, that total commitment. And also, I mean, one of the problems, when we were worried about relegation in previous seasons, our goal difference was terrible when the new managers came in. And now it's in a very positive, literally, as J.D. would say. That's J.D. would say. It's literally on fire, aren't they, J.D.? Literally on fire. Literally on fire. Literally on fire. But even Bamford looked right when he came on. Bamford put himself about a little bit. Yeah. Lee came on now. No, no, no. Even Bamford was. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah, to be fair, it is a little bit. But it is. There's no snow. It is. He's a bit of a player. So the other thing is, oh, because I was completely forgotten that we still had Lee. Yeah. And him coming back is another really good option. Yeah. Especially with Succo, which, him coming back, that was a real bonus. I think we all hope to. I think we all hope to. We see 10, 15 minutes of shame at that. Yeah. Kind of a perfect game for him to come on really. Yeah. I think there's more of a perfect game for Bamford really to give him a bit of... Yeah. ...a bit of time in the... Still not convinced. I mean, we've got one month left before there's an option to go back up. I think you'll go. I think you'll go. I think you'll go. I think you'll go. I'm not sure. I don't think we're paying all his way. I think it depends. I don't think you'll go until we've got Charlie Austin who knows where he is. We get Clint in. My re-back on mine. Oh, I would love that. Oh, I don't really know. How's he? How's he? Well, allegedly. He made a big difference. He made a big difference when he came on for him on Saturday. Oh, he's crazy. He's glass with quick free kick. Yeah. Yeah, that was... Yeah. I can't remember where I was. I would love that. Sorry. Oh, so I'm going to be curious about that. Oh, and it'll bloke with the glasses. It'll bloke with the glasses. Yeah, he's never wrong. Yeah, he's never wrong. Except, as a matter of fact, that Hitler's still alive. He's wrong about that. Is that the guy who was forced to wear a pallet shirt on match days? Well, Hitler. Oh, Hitler. Oh, you're a little guy. Yeah, I don't know. I hate your own pallet shirts. Um, going back to that stat, though, about us not coming from behind on the party too much, it's really interesting because the last year or so, it has nearly almost exactly been a year since the party's been in charge. We've all agreed it's been one of the best performing years of pallets. Yeah. And yet, why did we struggle to come from behind so much against teams? It's a bit of an old stat, really. Yeah, I don't know. I was really surprised by that stat because that kind of, it's not. I wasn't, I just wasn't aware of it. I wasn't aware of it. It needs to be on. But the reason we struggled is because we haven't got a lot of goals in this. I mean, Saturday was, that's why you'd be really worried if you're a Newcastle fan because we're a team that struggles to score goals. That was a fluke, really. Yeah. In previous games, we go one goal down. It's hard to see us going two goals in a game recently. Mm-hmm. And the thing is, if we go one goal up, we've got a really well-organized defence. It's hard then to see another team scoring two against us, but I don't think so. I don't think so. To worry about, it would be if we were doing it all, yeah. But Newcastle have got lost nine now from being ahead. Haven't they? They've been ahead. They've filed a clear margin of team in the Premier League that have lost most games. Wow. After going ahead. Because again, but they haven't got the players to defend the league. They said, "There's so, there was one bit." I think it was the second goal when they pointed it out on Skye or whatever it was. Their back four was already on their 18-yard line. We had three or four players. And that's when we can nix it off Colbeck. Yeah. And their back four was already on the 18-yard line. So it was 40 yards between our players. But it's like a playground. And then they kind of caught it. Collegeini went to ground for no apparent reasons. But I thought we hoped, didn't it? Because today, all the things in the back palaces, home form, we're struggling to break teams down. You guys were came and played the exact way that we would hope in the way a team would come. You know, and give us this. There was so much space between the field and the defense. The ballasti will exploit teams. Which I guess proves that, you know, maybe our form at home doesn't look great. But maybe we haven't been that bad. Maybe we've just come up against teams who have, you know, had to outplay us. But actually, we do have a players and a squad. I don't know. I have the ability to do that given the chance. I think we still do need to work on the fact that we're at times predictable against deep and correct teams. And the fact that at the moment we don't really have a plan big against those types of teams. It seems a bit cherished to be saying this off. We just won five wins. It was kind of a plan. It was kind of a plan. Partly identified several. I thought it was very interesting. He made it plain. He was always going to pick the same eleven. Because we all, I think everybody in the pub before had it. Because it existed at least. We did it on the pub. We thought at least two changes. We didn't think function would start. We didn't think. We thought it might start. We didn't think one was a horrible as he would start. But, and he did tinker a little bit. He clearly identified what was wrong on Monday night. Monday night again. Might be lucky as we keep certain new classes before. But, I think he worked out what a problem was and he rectified it. But, I do think, and he's right, against better teams we still need. Because it's a different world charm and they will play like so. But, I thought that was a really good management for Pard you by keeping the same team. Because, we all said after the Sunday game, we all put it down. It's just a bad day at the office. Yeah. It was a bad day at the office. So, by keeping the same team, keeping them just made, you know, just got them all going. I thought, right, we're going to prove it to you now. Yeah. Having said that, at five past two, when the teams came out, we all thought it was bad management. But, yeah, we did. We have terrible ideas. What's he doing? What's he doing? No, he's right. He turns out he doesn't know more about football than we did. He would have managed him. Yeah. We'd sit around your kitchen table on Monday night. Darn it. Sorry, Darn it. He would have. I mean, he would have bought it to me. But, yeah, it's, yeah. He was right to pick the same team. Yeah. I thought it was hot. Um, Wickham took a lot of stick on. I, I think unwarranted stick on wheeling night. Yeah, from a lot of fans. But there were so many signs on Saturday that he spent a lot of money on him. Yeah. But do you think that he could, that could turn for you? Money was spent and he could beat the guy up front to do that role. He just needs to score some goals. Yeah. I mean, he needs to score. It's as simple as that. He's got all the attributes for a great center forward. And I think he proved it on Saturday that he can hold the ball open. And he's got speed. He's got thought. And he can read the game. He just needs to score some goals. He still starts scoring then. You know. I, I've, I've thought, I had him down as a battering ram. I didn't think he had that sort of talent. I didn't think he had that guy up. I, I, to me, he played the way that everyone tells us that Bamford was supposed to be like in the championship. Yeah. And that's what we expected for him. From, from whatever he saw, we could play for Sunderland or Frisbee before that. He was just like a big lumpy center forward. It was, you know, and it's the ball got put in front of him and he would either get onto it or not or even get his head to it. So I'd, I'd never associated that level of intelligence with him. And I thought, I thought his touch with both of him was really, was really good. And as I say, it's just, I thought it was impressive that he didn't choose to shoot when there's quite a few options when he could have done. And he didn't. He laid it off again for the McCaffrey. He could have shot Lenny. He could have shot with the last few months. But as you say though, the final analysis, you judge a striker by 10 years time. If you're looking at the record books and you see, he scored one goal in 50 games. You're going to think that was a waste of money. Very true. But I think he will get, but having said that. I do think he'll get goals. I think he'll get goals as well. But also, I think he'd be really good. I think if you've got Gail back as well, I think he'd be a great option. We'd go because that you talk, and he'd talk about, you know, plan B, plan C. If you need goals and you get, you can get Wiccan again. If there's Wiccan one, every header as well from Hennessy. If you've got Gail running onto the flicks from, you know. It is interesting. We've been saying that, but, but kind of assuming that part of you wouldn't change the system. But sadly, it was an example of the fact that actually maybe he could. So maybe we could have a situation of Wiccan, Gail at some point. Maybe he doesn't change the system during games rather than actually from game to game. Clearly that was an example that he can do that. I think more part of you will never change. I mean, you can't imagine part of you have a player three centre backs, for example, or part of you is clearly wedded to the four defenders, the two holding midfield players. And then, I mean, all the rotation comes. Not suggesting we do kind of have the personnel for three at a time. He could easily put Kelly in there and have Ward and Zwari as he thought. He would do a job at that. I'm not saying we should. I think we should. It's interesting, because Zwari quite often looks like he would be happier as a Wiccan. He does. He has a defensive format. Yeah, I agree. He's great going forward. But he doesn't strike me. I mean, pardon you, I think all his changes will be made with the front four players rather than the players behind him, I mean. Because it's worked so well defensively from shots as we apparently find out. That's a weird stat, but I trust Andy on that stat. Well, it's nice. After all the victory, it was nice. After all the victory, doing the four four starts, his pod head. But it's a weird one. Take five, everybody else. That hello was take five. They don't need to know that. But anyway, there's a way to that, considering we haven't considered that many goals. But could that be down to good goalkeeping? I don't know. No. No, okay, good. Well, it started one hell of a see for us good, didn't it? No. Well, that's for one week. Not for like, people. In the end of the series, I introduced it to a couple of people. We've been in a minute. You were going about a Hennessy starting position for the goal. Well, you're talking about the starting position. He starts in goal, you're in it. Oh, God. We touched on it earlier. Really? I just want to talk about James MacArthur, because I think one of his best games are Palace. And I think he is becoming one of our most consistent and effective midfielders. We're in the pub afterwards said he is our best all-action midfielder since Sir Jeff Thomas. Wow. I think he's stretching it a bit, but I feel like he could become someone like that. I think he's obviously enjoying himself. He's definitely enjoying himself, which always helps. And also, for the first time, he seems to be happy to sort the press afterwards. I think he's got that Jeff Thomas ability to grab a game, because that's what we need. It's Monday night as a sort of thing we talked about. It just needs a Jeff Thomas or a Brian Robson to go, "Look, sod this. It's not working. Let's just run out more." I don't think he's quite got that. He hasn't scored. He's not scored enough goals yet. But yes, he's developing as one of the best. And how can he not get better with Kebai there? Exactly. He's getting better, because he's playing against one of the best positions. I don't know. Things I still don't think we've seen Kebai that is best. And it must have been so upsetting for Newcastle fans to see Kebai. Because they were clauses in his contracts about them getting first option. They didn't want him back. It was just to see him just do all those simple things really well. And he's taken off to save his legs. Yeah. That was funny. I don't think he was very happy about it. He didn't look very happy to do it. But then the best players want to stay on all the time. Of course you want to stay. But I mean, it's that we've spoken about who was man of the match early and away from the play. We hadn't even mentioned Kebai once, because we've had so many other players playing well. Is that the Kebai effect in a way that now a lot of other players are really stepping up. And Kebai, yes, he's probably our most technically best player. But now he's just what someone else on the team and everyone else is proving that they can be match runners as well. I think so. We mentioned it a little bit last week with Punch and maybe that's one of the reasons why he's not been brilliant recently. Kebai's publicly paid more than anybody else on par juice said that's because he's easily the best player we've got. But you'd like to think that any decent player would be inspired by having him there. You'd like to think that on the training ground, because by all accounts on the training ground he's really, really impressive. So you'd like to think they'd want to show off to him and impress him. Because clearly what's interesting is more and more recently he gets into him. He really lays into him if the pass goes wrong or something goes wrong. Kebai's there nagging him. So I think he must be having the effect. And what's encouraging and exciting is that you can't pick one game where you say, "Oh Kebai, I mean West Brom brilliant." But the passing was great. But there's not one game where you think he was world-class, he was outstanding, he won that game on his own. So that's all to come. That's all to come. And I think it's possible because he played so few games last season that he's still not back into the pace of the game. Because we play with a lot of energy. So I think in Newcastle he kind of was sort of protected him, but he didn't do a lot of the running he's doing for us. So I think we still got so much more to come with. But that started the game as something we didn't expect. And I think actually that is allowing people like MacArthur to have more ground and punch when he plays well to improve. Also he's quite like in the perfect world to see Kebai occasionally let Kebai be the one that gets into the box. We all want Kebai to play a bit further forward at times don't we? And I think he will. If I can end part one on an interesting sort of comparison, I think Newcastle, I know they're playing terrible season, but I think they're quite a good team. No, they're not. Team two manage your sort of a yardstick in terms of how we've progressed in the last three years. Because first season they came to tell us and they absolutely smashed us. Last season they came to tell us and we had a one-old draw in slippery. And then this season they've come to tell us and we've actually played them off the park. They've been looking at the bigger picture. I would say that they are, I know they're playing badly, but they're an average established Premier League team. And you look at those three results and how we've progressed in those three. I mean, or you could just say they've regressed massively in this state. Or maybe, maybe. They had combined their team the first time. Just two years. You've been thinking as well, you look at, even in that old program that was in the current match day program, I think the Newcastle team for the E5 where they had Kevin Keegan in there and Chris Waddall. And they've always been a team where there is likely to lose four for his win four for him. But you know, Philip Alberts, all those great guys were kings. They were a team that you would want to watch play football. They were a massive side. They've won nothing, but they are a big iconic side. And the fact is your point, JD, is really an interesting one because you can argue as well about the infrastructure in the club. You can say that in each of those three seasons you've talked about would be a run better and better. Yes, that's true. And Newcastle are being less efficient because the fact that they've put Steve McLaren on the board and given him shares in the club. I mean, that's crazy. They've virtually unsackable. This whole business with a valet, which Alan Pardew mentioned in the Player of the Year thing, that Newcastle got this recruitment committee. And I know McLaren's part of it, but they've tried to impose this sort of continental style system on a club. And I just think if you're a Newcastle fan, you want to see local players in the team. You want to see. But they just seem to have a lot of players who are good, but just can't be honest. There's a lot of them coasting on there. They don't seem to understand the culture. They're not even bright enough to make it look like they're making a difference. OK, so you're going to be seriously, get a yellow card. For the last goal, just trip my lesson out. It's 30 seconds to go. It's almost the best thing that could happen for Newcastle is for them to get relegated and to just get a little bit of a wake-up card. That happened for you, the whole team. Except I think it's much harder now when they went down before, they had so many resources. Yeah, they're hugely amazed if they didn't come back up now. They'd just be another club. You know, if you're looking at Bournemouth, look at Bournemouth the way they fought to come back from 2-0 down and 3-2 down. I imagine most of their players now are probably not as good or worth as much as Newcastle players. Some of them to be fair, there's not one of them who didn't come off that pitch. I mean, put everything into it. And I don't think any Newcastle player, none of them could actually hold their head up high if they came off. And it's one thing we've never been any doubt with Palace. And to be fair, it wasn't under Warlock, it wasn't under Holloway. There was never any doubt that all of them had given everything. We got beaten by a lot of teams because we weren't a good team. We didn't have players as good, but they never... It was never for the one to try. You can never lay that. And as a football fan, it's pretty much... That's pretty much what you want to see. That's the fact that it's a place that you get to play. It's a very basic. It's the... Of course, by on Saturday, the Newcastle fans were shouting at their players. Yeah, it's a weather show. Yeah, yeah. All they want, as any football fan of any team wants, is to see your team giving you 100%. So cool. Yeah, we just won. The last minute. And that's all I get really cross over here to play, so I'll give 100%. Yeah, and... Exactly. Just what you should do. That's what you should do. That's what you should do now. It's 100 and 10 as well. Good stuff. Good stuff. Okay, I think that's a good part to impart one on. So in part two, we're going to be answering your questions, listeners. So we'll see you in a bit. 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But, Tony Stewart says, "Given the results last week," I'm not sure what one is referring to. "Does this just prove the Newcastle?" Would that be? Okay, some of the new cards are fine. I'm just saying because you can see what happens for the next bit. "Given the results last week, does this just prove that we are a very average Premier League team now?" No, I don't think it proves... We're seventh. If you look at the table, it's a lie. We're seventh after 14 games, sorry. I think it's our third season of the Premier League. We've got new players, but it proves that we're in a very difficult division. It's what it proves. You're not going to win every game of team at that level. I don't think we're average. I think we're slightly above average. I think we're unpredictable. I think the problem is we rely... We have a system that when it works is brilliant, but we rely on a couple of players that are still relatively young, probably not so young that you could say you could forgive them everything, but they're still maybe not fulfilled before potential. We play at such a high pace sometimes. It's difficult to replicate that two games on it, but also sometimes you just have to admit that you come across a team that deserve to be you every day against those. Which this year, everyone's beaten everyone, so that's not just happening to the big team. As we talked about, the very first pause of the season, which is exactly what Joe Samarino predicted. Yeah, it is. He thought it was going to be the worst Premier League in terms of the top four. Yeah. What do you have? I think he's not in the top four. I think what you need to look at is teams like Aston Villa, and Leicester as well. Yeah, Aston Villa, let's not forget a bigger club than us. A hugely bigger club than us in terms of their size, their money, their resources, their fan base. We're 17 points ahead of the... What can I answer this then instead? No, I don't think we're average at all, actually. I think we're not brilliant. I don't think we're consistent. We'd consistent rather than average. But by saying average... Do you mean me? Is that a medium? Exactly. The norm is a... By saying average almost implies that's a negative thing. I mean, I'd rather be an average Premier League team. Well, you said it started season, didn't we? Yeah, yeah. But the middle of it's a stay-out site to be an average Premier League team. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Can I flip? I'm also sorry to interrupt, as I like it when you interrupt it, because if you forget what you're about to say, it's probably for the best. I'm going to ignore you. I reckon a lot of added ITs are ticket holders with the swap seats are tickets for Palace for this season. Of course, they would be a short journey for them. Hi! But in terms of the type of football we play, I think it's almost inevitable that we will be inconsistent, especially at home, because we've got a system to set up for a certain type of play. And I think that we will be inconsistent. But I think even when we're losing, I still think we're just thinking back to Palace teams in the past. Yeah. Do you three of his teams? New World Cup teams? Trevor Francis teams, Peter Taylor teams. I think it's some of them season after season. Turdier. Dreadful football. We're still in game. We're still in game. There's never been one ever. We're not trying to watch. Well, that's exactly it. Even when we're losing, like Tottenham fans will say, and we didn't think we played particularly well at Tottenham, but you look at Tottenham's results in. The Tottenham fans will say we were one of the best teams at the World Cup. Every football fan that I meet, it was a fan of another Premier League team, all say positive things about Palace, because you're excited to watch. Now, being excited doesn't necessarily always been good, but there's always something going on in the game that's always something happening. It's not like watching Man United this season, which is tangent. Yeah, they're grinding our results. But if you're a, you want to see, so you'll be paying good money. It's entertainment. It's football. It's entertainment. That's it. Fair play to the Chira. The Chira said pretty much the same thing. You know, Newcastle fans, if you didn't know which team was which, and you knew about history of football, you'd say Newcastle must be the round-up, so that's the sort of thing they expect, the sort of thing they brought up to be told they're going to get. As I say, they'd rather lose the game for free, like those brilliant days we're keen with the manager. And yes, sometimes it's possible we might get a hiding. That's what's awesome season. I don't think we will. I think defensively we're very good, but we just, we just, you'd rather watch us playing the Maggie Knight in support of that. And in fact, it's united. We'll finish it by this. They're probably getting the Champions League. Fine. But it's still rather beyond our journey. And also I think it's really good. It's noticeable that I think the press at the media went a little bit quiet on us earlier in the season, as almost like we were taking for granted. But in recent weeks, it's always brilliant to see Lineka's Chira before they started on their demolition of Newcastle, pointing out that we were really good. We were really, really excited. Jonathan Pierce at the end was clearly quite excited. He's a part of their Palace fan, Chris Camara again just saying, "Look, let's point out how good Palace were before telling that. It's difficult not to take notice of now, because then it's December, basically. And we're six. Yeah. Steve McLaren, right for the start of the season, said 10 games, you judge your 10 games. But it's a kind of old-fashioned feel about Palace as well. Just that directness is just that willingness to go forward. It's almost a mystery as to why we're not scoring more goals because we did positive intent. It's been there right for the start. Can I reword Tony's question then? Because I think he might have meant, or I translated it as, given the results last week, does his prove, we are now an established Premier League team. Right, OK, yeah. Well, so you misread average for established? No, it does say average. It says average. Oh, I'm assuming, maybe that's what he meant. Because you were saying it may be negative. Oh, I'm assuming. I think he may start a fair point. Oh, yeah. Or I'm just offering you that as well. No fair point. If that is the case, then yes. Yeah, I... It's hard to say. You can't be established after two in the last seasons. He can't be. I'm going to be more bullish. Yes, we are. I think we're getting out. I think we're definitely getting there. But, you know, as we often do on this part, we keep our feet very firmly on the ground. And I think we should do. You know, it was a great result. We're seventh in the league. It's nearly Christmas. And it's all positive. We can pick holes. Of course we can. But that's our job to pick holes. I want to say, I would love to say that we're becoming an established Premier League starter. I'm really excited as each season goes by and more money comes in. You get better and better. But the top of this, James and I have got 20 more seasons than you have watching Palace. And you just can't underestimate our ability to shoot. I don't think... I think things are so different now. I think things are very different now. Things are very different. And that's why Monday's result felt a little bit like a throwback to the old days, because I generally didn't think that was going to happen to us. But... Where's the result on Saturday felt like the new days? Yeah. But with the infrastructure we've got, with the manager we've got, with the investment coming in with the new Premier League money next season, I think we're just better managed all around. And I do think we're on the way to becoming... Because this season's not... Yeah, we try to sort of be pretending, but it's not. We're not in a relegation battle. We're not going down. Which is great. It brings a new sort of excitement. Yeah. And next season, well, yeah, touch with better. And next season, you think we'll have a couple of thousand... Going down? Yeah, we'll... I saw a stats model today. Said we've got a 1% chance of going down. 1%. Which is probably enough for Kev to worry about. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. I said we're not going down. But it brings a different excitement to go into games, because you still have to get used to the fact, because... Yeah, it's basically the last two seasons were incredibly exciting, the second part of the season. The first... It was all very upsetting when we looked up, we were going down. But saving ourselves to a really good season is brilliant. But this is a new kind of excitement. And it just takes a bit of getting used to it, to accept that we are... It's a new kind of excitement because of the more and more we are. The more we are becoming established, the more the better players we're going to attract to the club, the things just get bigger and bigger and bigger. And we're part of that, as fans, we're part of that. And it's not like we're looking back in history and going, "Oh, that time." This is... It's happening. It's actually happening in front of us. It's almost like... You know, and that's what's quite hard to get out of them, because it's actually happening. It's not like, "Oh, my God, whether team of the eighties or whether team of the nineies..." This is actually... And we'll look back on this time, at some point. Do you remember 2015? Yeah, that would look back on it at all. But also, yeah, remember 2015? We only finished six. Yeah. I also think... That's why I was so disappointed with Charlton fans. Charlton away from the Valley nearly went out of business, did that brilliant job. Charlton fans did a fantastic job getting themselves back to the Valley. It was really exciting time for them. And it only three or four years later, they were... The Premier League wasn't enough of them. And you think, "We've all you've been through." And I think we've all... We've been through. I don't get the sense that it's ever going to become stale. I just get the feeling that because of being so close to going out of business, because of the owners are local, because of the new things that are happening, that it's not going to become boring for us. And we are always going to enjoy being in the Premier League. But I suspect we'll always feel... We'll always feel that this could be the season we go down. I don't think there are many villa fans who would have thought, even at the end of last season, villa fans would be again. Well, we won't be in that situation again, so you can't. You can't pretend it can't happen. But I just think we are better managed all around it. And the Newcastle Sunderland villa, we're better than them. That's what's exciting. That's why it does give that warm, toasty, Christmassy feeling. Which industry will never ever understand. Okay. The next question. That was a very good question though. Well, do we now know every one of them? No, we don't. If I'm in a terrible situation, you don't know. Well, the next question is Mike Kooling. And he says, "Good evening, panel." Ooh. Good evening. Good evening. Why do you think we touched on this? Why do you think it's been so hard to be consistent this season? One match lousy, the next match great. I think we... And I think we were guilty of this, I have to say. I think we... I think we may be overreacted to the performance we may be... And to the Newcastle one. I think we've tried to put a lot of caveats in place. But a lot of caveats in place for the Newcastle performance. But I just think... We're in the best league in the world in terms of quality. But we're in a competitive league, aren't we? Yeah, you look at Spain, Italy. It's a miracle. If a team outside the top six beats, the top two team in Spain, and it's headline news, they just don't expect to go into games. We're winning those. And basically, even now, every Premier League team, things they can win against every opposition. And we've seen it this season. No one's frightened of getting old traffic anymore, or to Anfield, or to Stanford Bridge, or even to the... Oh, or into Salas Park? Yeah, teams... The big teams are getting asked to go. No one's frightened of asked to go. Norwich was always just... I think it's just a groly with that. And also, it's the fact that we are still doing that division. We still have got players that possibly won't be there next season. I don't know, it's just... Everyone in the league has been interested in this season, really. I mean, man, man, man, city will probably win the league. They can't exist in Arsenal. They've looked like the best technical team in the league. Probably the consistent team has probably been Leicester. Or Aston Villa. Or Aston Villa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, look, I'm sure... I'm sure there's a Leicester podcast going on at the moment with the equivalent of me saying the Dreadful East Middle of the X, and we'll lose next game, then we won't win another one. Yeah. And I do... That's a good... I said that. Sadly, I'll never forgive Leicester for Steve Claridge's flooky loops, so I'm not that delighted about it. But you have to admit, in terms of... The football story, it's a great story. It's a great story. It's a great story. Yeah, it is, yeah. And we're in a league two seasons ago. That last year, Leicester beat them maybe not an early on, and that was a fluke, a title three. Yeah. But two or three seasons ago, if Leicester had got a draw against United and the Premier League had said, "Classes and wars, well, we're united." Now it's becoming... You don't expect... Those teams don't expect to go away any more. It's almost becoming the norm that people can... Anyone can challenge anyone. Yeah. Which is a big, exciting league, isn't it? But also because you've got teams like Bournemouth as well, and they're not just sitting back. They're taking teams on. It's not like teams are just like parking the bus all the time. They're winning games in a different sort of way. Well, half a sudden, half a sudden. Yeah, but some to be fair to some, some of them were quite positive. They played two out front, and they got four as often as they could. Yeah. So it wasn't... Yeah, we've seen more negative teams. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, and the frustrating thing about that was that we... That's the one that I'd say even more childish than me, the most childish comment was after the game on Saturday. I just went, "Well, I didn't party to do that after I was Monday." You go, "Well, actually, if it's probably a fair point." But we were in the game, that's why, but it's like... Okay. The next question comes from Jack Pierce. Hi, Jack. Hi, Jack. Jack says rightly or wrongly, Will was booked again for, quote-unquote, "simulation," and challenging the area that was in. Yeah. Is this an area of concern for us? I didn't... I think... Was he touched? I didn't think he was. We were at the opposite end. That's the way, yeah. I think Will was so cross about it. I think sometimes the defender didn't have a go at Will. No. Does normally the defender will turn on them, and Will was clearly, really, really aggrieved. And then there's only one people that even mentioned it, because there's so many more things happening. It said that kind of Will sort of went under him. His foot, the player's foot, was up and Will sort of went under it, sort of took him... But said it wasn't a diode. I don't know. I think the problem is that the same with Andy Johnson is that inevitably you win three or four penalties, you know, as we did in West Brom Watford, as a level one as well, I think. Inevitably, referees talk, referees all... That'll be something they'll say. Keep it on. It's a hard... Because Will Thungh got kept a few minutes later, even more like a foul. How annoying. I don't think for that. I don't think Will... I think sometimes he's so ungainly. I don't think he's not actually young. 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He's got a style of play as well. He's got a style of play as well. He will go down more often because he's just out muscled around. But also, but lastly, his game is about power and pace, which is about the trickery of a feat. That's just the nature of the way he plays. He's going to go down more. I think sometimes as well, it seems that sometimes players fall over. They're not diving. It seems that every time a player goes down in the box, if he's not the penalty, they get booked. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Whereas it's not that bad. And that's not what he's got, because it could be momentum. It could be sometimes it's up over their own feet. They don't know that, or it could be a touch. Or it could have been defended, it could have got a touch. It could have got a touch to the ball. Yeah, exactly. And of course, the speed of the game is difficult. I do appreciate it for everyone. It is difficult. Of course it is, really cool. OK, this is a really good question from Mike Benz. Hello, Mike. According to the Spurs executives I met at Wembley at the NFL, it is inevitable that Premier League Games will be played overseas in the next few years with all the US fans, and he references the NBC documentary that came out yesterday, about Palace. Would you be happy if Palace played a Premier League game on the East Coast in the next four years? Could you toss to Mike for a Kevin Day-style name drop there? I was quite impressed with that. Yeah, the East Coast. We can't help the world at all. They've been like in a hole, or somewhere. You can drop Solicitas names. J.D. can drop people named Chesham's names. Yeah. End of culture. No, no, no, no, Chesham. He's just his names. Popstar's names. When you say the East Coast does it mean the hole? He hasn't said. I don't know. He hasn't said. It's nice on the East Coast. I'm going to assume he means America, and I'm also going to open up to anywhere in America. I don't think it should be. If that ever happens, I know, I will never go to football again. Really? And also, what people overlook, as my brother-in-law's American, he's a Denver Broncos fan, what people overlook is that America football fans hate the London Games, because they're not getting a refund on the season ticket. They're losing it. They're losing that over. Not really. They're losing the home game. And season tickets are so difficult to get older than America. They only play eight or nine games at home anyway. So to lose one of them to London. That's ridiculous. To what are they considered to be not proper fans? Just really infuriates them. The NFL and English-American football fans are the ones who like it. I don't know, Tottenham... Tottenham is setting this up because Tottenham are desperate to be the home of an NFL London franchise. But we saw one of us that was made about... Yeah, it's fine. I think it's brilliant. It's a global product for one of them. I just think those pre-season tournaments are becoming more and more popular. They'll just become more and more. And I think you'll get like AC Milan against Arsenal, against Juventus, or whatever. And that will have more. And Palace will get the more we get established in the Premier League. We will become more and more part of those. I think that's where you're going to get it. I think you're more likely to get Premier League, not Premier League games, but the Champions League is just going to become more and more and more. The things where do you draw a line? One other game in Singapore, then? One other game in Kazakhstan. One other game in Kazakhstan. Why not be like Grand Prix, just let the richest countries bid for a Premier League game? And the thing is, if you've got a really good home record, why would you jeopardise that by going and playing a game away from your fortress? I think it is good to draw a line. And also, we are now, a lot more fans abroad, a lot in America. Which is fantastic. I mean, a lot of people listen to this part of America. And a great question. And hello to all of you, but travel over you. Well, that's my point, though. That is my point. My point is, they like Palace because of the atmosphere, it's so hers, and the atmosphere, it's English games. And so I think a lot of American fans listening would probably rather come to Sellers than the game being in America. I'd love to go. I would love to go in an NFL game. But I won't go to Wembley's. I'll see a game in America. I want to go to New England Patriots and the snowstorm and get the proper experience. Exactly. Exactly. Because if we become just that sort of product where you can just go, yeah, we'll play a game out there. But then what did you do? You played a whole run of Premier League games in America on the same day? It's not going to happen. No, it's not going to happen. Good. Okay, good question. I think the Champions League thing is interesting. I think the fact, I know it's supposed to be a celebration of the next European championship, the playing in every country in Europe. I think it's quite possible the Champions League games, group games, certainly that might happen. I wouldn't like that to happen, especially if we're in the Champions League. But I think you will. Yeah, but it's this whole idea of franchise football, which is pretty much the first step towards franchise football in his title. And it's something that Palace will be involved with, because we have got a big fan base in Southeast Asia now. And in America, they're actively looking for America. That's great. And it's really nice to read in the program about the Irish Fan Club as well as game. And we will get bigger and bigger, more support. And I look forward to date when we welcome somebody from every country in Europe, on the southern hemisphere being up Palace. And we would welcome them all in with open arms, but I ain't going over there. No, I agree. I totally agree. I totally agree. Okay, last question is from Tony Fettcher. Oh, actually, who actually lives in upstate New York? There you go. Well, that's not state New York. He lives in the Catskolts and the Catskol Mountains. Oh, we're not going to see you come over here to see us. What he did? He came over here. He came over here. I still don't believe he exists. You made me the real thing. You made me the pub on Saturday. That was that Fettcher? Yeah, the guy with the... The tiny little fella. The one that was being forced to be in Palace shirt. No, no, that's the guy they were. That's the guy they were, yeah. No, you're in the treats picture below. You see, he often tweets questions. Oh, no, I wasn't him. That was a dodzy. Oh, it's dodzy. Yeah, it's dodzy. I know it's obviously dodzy. Obviously, dodzy and Fettcher. It sounds like a sitcom, isn't it? Anyway. It's just, I know I had a lot to drink on Saturday and last night. I would have known if I met a Fettcher. Yeah, you would. Tony's question is... What? I've had a bit of a killing date, is it? No, no. Off the back of Palace 25-1, what's the biggest Palace win any of you have seen in the flesh? Do you remember we had days? The pressure fledged. Well, I don't know if anyone here was in that Cheltenham one that was about 8-1, not that long ago. And Daley had the bowlers scored about a million goals. The one I remember is, do you remember we beat South End 6-1? Did you really cut? No. And then I think it's about 1996-7, just before we went up. And then we won 6-1 the very next game itself, host. Against Reading or something like that? I think it's the other way around us. I think we won 6-1 at Reading and then beat South End 6-1 at Celhost in the lead. I didn't go down the dirt. We won 6-1 at Reading as well, didn't we, one season? That might have been the same one. I don't know. But yeah, I think it was a game. We played South End. I thought it must be a level occasion. I think we scored 7-8. I was at that one. A couple of fives. I was at the main night game. We beat them 5-1. Only 5, not to get into the playoffs. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Was that that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We beat Grimsby 5-0 once down on a Tuesday night. Friedman got a couple or something. It's not only said that it was the last time we scored. Yeah. I don't know what it was. I can't remember anything about it. It's Holloway's first game in charge. Was it really? Yeah, but we won 5-0. Yeah. Blassie, the Blassie scored in that. And that was the first time Blassie scored then for a long time, I think. Yeah, since one, sadly. Yeah. Good. Okay. Good. Good. Good to set questions there. Folks, thank you very much. Send them in. Thank you. In the next part, we're going to go back in time for On This Day. Ooh. So join us in... [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Hello listeners. Welcome back to the 5-1 Plan podcast. [Music] [Music] It's on This Day, on This Day, we're recording on the 30th of November, 2015. I can offer you two on This Day. [Music] Okay. Who was sponsored by the... Oh, yeah, of course. Sorry. We are sponsored by JCIS, the global research and brand consultancy from South London. South London. Run by Palace fan. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Well, no, we thought that we were going to be able to screw over Birmingham by taking their cost off to him and having him be in success and then going to take that bridge and then end up not working on that one. I think so. I think so. I think so. I think so. I think so. I think so. I think so. I think so. Yeah. I think so. Shane, because we were doing very one. Steve, Bruce. I always remember. Trevor Francis. Yeah. Sorry. I have a cricket go at Whitgift school every summer, like a one-day game. I thought I was on this elderly Palace fan. Just been reading him and said, "There must be 500 Palace fans watching this game with your dress like a slob for the 1920s." And he actually said, "You, sir, are no gentlemen." And I remember going, "It's 95 degrees in a shape. This is summer. What's he supposed to be wearing? Club track suit and tie it." [Laughs] This whole desert route I'm going to go in. You, sir, are no gentlemen like that. I'm going to use that. The good one. Okay. Oh. It was 2011. Not that long ago. And that's between Crystal Palace and Manchester United. Oh, Darren Ambrose. Darren Ambrose. Darren Ambrose. All right. Excellent. 100 yards out of the top corner. Yeah. Yeah. We all remember that one. Yeah. Which we said last week was one of the 10 potential best moments of the decade. Is that the best guy? It was a bit overlooked. It was actually a very good team performance, wasn't it? It was, yeah. I had a really strong team out there. Yeah. It was a game that announced the arrival of Wilfred. Yeah. That was at the top stage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's right. That was the game that Alex Ferguson said. That was the day he decided to sign up and sign up. Yeah. But was the Ambrose goal the greatest ever? I'm going to do my own poll now. So I had to palace this moment of the decade thing. Was it Palis? Greatest ever goal? Well, no. It wasn't for me. But the trouble is there's no film record of... You're going to say Jim Cannon again, aren't you? Yeah. But I can't change it. There's no one to get scored a goal better than that for me. So in that game... It's not going to happen one day. There's some rare footage. If I can't... It's going to be a deflected female. No. I can't leave. There's so many of us to film. I mean, these were days, by the way, when they would show photographs of goals. Because they only had highlights of two games on... So when ITV had the match of the day highlights, they had a highlight contract for three or four years. Must have made doing the podcast really interesting. It was telling me not to photograph, but it's like, no. You kind of think somebody somewhere must have been filmed, but no. But until somebody scores a bit of a goal, then that's... For me, it's still the best goal. Me and the Ambrose one is... That's a pretty good goal. It was a pretty good goal. And also goals are always better, I think, if you see them live. Yeah. Yeah. It's always more exciting if you were there. So that wasn't at all, Trevor, so... Yeah, it wasn't there. Yeah, it was good. There's a couple of tingles scored against... Oh, yeah, Darby. Darby, is that Darby? Yeah. Bridget Volley. I'm looking for getting some of those. No! No! No! Get over it. You have one as well. The excellent football player on a loan. Steve Storms. Steve Storms. Oh, that was great. Halfway line. That was a pretty good goal. A couple of right-righties, Volleys. Steve Storms, good because the keeper was literally on his line. So when it went in, it was literally... What's that? What's that? He literally was on his line. Literally on his line. Mark Bright against... Oh, John Slarko went for us. Oh, yeah. Oh, that was amazing. And Ruth Ruben's home to Liverpool. Did you all of that in the league? Yeah. Absolutely spanked in. And all those happened on this day, didn't they? They all happened on this day. All of them. Amazing. All of that happened on this day. Good. I think that is one of those special pods that we did a couple of last season. Maybe that is one that we should be getting. Best, best, best. Just get people to tweet in there. Yeah, get people to tweet in there. Or we can get you down to it, though. Best ever goal. Yeah. Yeah, let's do that. Do it in parallel with the club. Okay. Oh, no, because there's... Is there moment? Moment of the decade. Yeah. Clintons score down to Gaussian. Hmm. Really be an issue. It's a stress. That's a nice moment. Bit of good stress. Bit of good. I know, but it's good then. I told you the last week that I'm voting for Clintons. I don't know. I don't know. It's a good situation. You're an awkward zone, so. If Kayla the Eagle being blown over the stone last season. No, don't start that again. You just vote for that. Don't start that again. Oh, God. You're a bad person. Oh, God. We should. We should. We should. Kayla, you're talking about it. Oh, not that again. Okay. We'll have to have you killed, though. Right. Good. That was on this day. There you go, folks. 30th November. In part four, we're going to look forward to the trip to Everton. I'm sorry. Do you want to know? Yeah. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] Sky show start doing one tonight. Right. It's been the half-fist two. No, the two enormous blow-up sumo wrestlers on the pitch. You know. Yeah, they used to have... When Sky first started, like, in the early '90s. We went to power side games. It was under every game, but don't roll. It's from it. So, it was on the whole Zealand. And two giant blow-up sumo wrestlers came on the pitch. Right. I mean, massive and had a fight. Yeah. Why? It was entertainment. That's what it is. It's respiratory. It's respiratory. It's like Monday Night Football. Yeah. Because they tried to make it more like football like they're doing. Why? It is a complete rip-off. I remember those days. Oh, I thought. It's still one of my favourite memories. My two favourite post pre-match and halftime memories is before... In the bath. In the bath as well. In the fall of '90. The semi-final. I'm a chef. I'm a chef. I'm a chef. I'm a chef. I'm a chef. I'm a chef. I'm a half-time idiot. I don't know. I can say with some experiences. Oh, we've got the pistols. I'm a half-time idiot. Look. You remember? Do you remember? You were a 50-year-old man. You should be bored of the Christmas, basically. You remember? Before the semi-final of Villa Park, they had a... A R.F. dog demonstration. He did. He did. He did. He did. And the palace... As they said, they said to Liverpool fans, "It's a proper football entertainment." They said to the dog... They said to the dogs out to go up a little ladder, a long way away. We're all cheating. And they said to the Liverpool fans, "You get behind the red dog." Yeah. And the red dog broke the road record for the snorkels. They said, "The palace fans have been on the blue dog. Blue dog fell off the ladder." That's where you're one little down half-time. Blue dog fell off the ladder. The best half-time entertainment I've ever seen in ever. It was half-time at Sunderland a couple of seasons ago when they had a demonstration they had to put out a chip pen fire. They had a marching band and they got their mask. Because that's all these. I don't know if they'd put you in the house. They said, "We've got to just pay attention to this. Everybody, look at the fly brigade are coming on now." And they had a giant sized chip pen. Oh, jeez. And they all went... And the firemen had this massive size blanket. And the garden seller went, "No, not the blanket." And the firemen went... They rolled and took the blanket right there. Not water. No. And then you get a wet tea towel. Oh, geez. They paid attention, though. I would be paying a pin drop in there. Right. No. There were many Sunderland players left, obviously. I think that was a beach ball game, obviously. Okay. Good. This is welcome to the 5-year plan podcast. Very cool. I've been put off by the chip pen for the thing. We sponsored... I think we should keep it in. I think we should keep it in. I think we should keep it in. I think we should keep it in. I think we should keep it in. I think we should keep it in. Yeah, it's funny. Part 4 of the podcast sponsored by Vect printing for all your printing body we need. Go to vector.co.uk. Let's vector with them. Okay. And JCIS, the Global Research and Brand Consultancy from South London. Visit JC-IS.com. Okay. Okay. We'll do. Yes. We'll do it. Direct advertising to anyone. Direct advertising to anyone. Direct advertising to anyone. They offer. They offer. It doesn't matter. I'm going to visit anyway. I'm going to do it when I go home. I'm still on Vectors website. I'm transfixed to ideas. I can't get off it. I'm here. I'm here. I'm in Broadway. Well, just first and foremost. Part 4. Everything away. Monday night football. We've won the last two times we've been there. Yeah. For each time. Are we going to win again? I wouldn't. Yes. Don't. No. I don't know. I don't know. It's a valid joke. It's a valid question. How do I know? Are we going to win again? I hope so. But I don't know. I don't know. It's a game of two asks, you know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Don't get me started. Can we can win again? Of course we can win it. They are a team that are set up perfectly for the way we play because they try and play football. I'm not seeing this prize himself. They will try and score goals against us. And that's how we've beaten them in the past. I mean, they're the perfect team for our counter attack and start our way from home. But, and I'm hoping that they'll sort of be aware of the fact that we've beaten them to us. Well, we said before, that can play us in fans. I think it's really interesting that Pardu spoke about Everton about bigger teams that were above in the table. That's where we should be looking to be. He said ever in the top of the teams that we should be trying to match their ambition. So it's a really good test of where we are. And I don't think they'll be looking forward to playing us. Are we assuming that we'll go back to the tactical tweak on one of the notes? We'll go back to more of our traditional 4-2-3-1. Y'all are possibly back on the wing and play that kind of counter-taking thing that's worked for us away from home. I would expect we can, yeah, probably. I would say so, yeah. Because I think also, because Y'all, I think both games played really well. Yeah, he definitely scored in one of them. Yeah, he certainly caused massive problems. I don't think he's going to change the team. No, definitely not. Maybe go a bit more central. I hope not. I'll just tweak the team that we've got. Yeah. Definitely. It's a shame that it's not till Monday night, because I think that's just waiting that extra couple of days, because the players have been so full of... We can't really bore him. It does as well, but also I think the players would want to gain tomorrow night as well during them because they're going to be so fired up. But I do think ever to do a team that we shouldn't travel there with any fear, really. And you'd imagine it would be a really good game to watch. It was very informed. Lekaku is on an incredible run-up form right now. So, you know, arguably might be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, their fallbacks really like to get forward. That's part of the thing, Martin. This is courage. They're team, actually. They're team, actually. Very good team, but actually, if you look at kind of the areas, they're strong in, strong fallbacks. They've got good defense to my fielders, with the teams in the car. They're very similar to Pat. Yeah, yeah. Two very few really even match teams. But also their team was, who's fans, not frustrated, but, because Bill Kent writes, being very open and honest about managing the team within the finances and not spending money hasn't gotten. And he's actively looking for a buyer. He's open about that as well. And they haven't yet found the proper buyer. So, they're a really good team. But I think ever to fans on this, they can get frustrated with their own team sometimes, because they do feel that... And now, I mean, let's face it. In the 80s, they're a little bit bigger. So, I think... I do think it's a really good test for us. I think there's no reason why we couldn't be... There's no point saying we're going to be a man, you know, on that city. But, ever to the 70s, the sort of team we could be... Yeah. I think we should be aiming to be able to see that. The sort of team that would be disappointed if they weren't in the top eight every season. And that's the starting point, isn't it? They'll be more worried about playing us than we are. Yeah. There's a great testament as we keep saying of how far we come as a team. They'll definitely be more worried about us. They'll be looking at us and go like, "How are we going to stop this team?" I have to say, I hope we beat them. I'm sure I've got a thing that we might, but I like having fans. People, you need to make a distinction between Liverpool fans and Everton fans, because they're much more realistic. There seems to be nicer people who ever have fans. You just tend to be more fun going to go to some part of them. There's not that sort of sense of heightened expectation that... Yeah. They don't assume they're going to beat you, basically. They don't throw the toys out of the pram when you beat them. It's just kind of... We could, though. We could make it two very decent trips to Merseyside in the space of two, three weeks. Well, we've got the thing... I think it's interesting that I think we all thought... I thought we'd get six points out of six, some of them in Newcastle. Generally, we thought we would. And then Everton, Stoke, Southampton, a game's coming up that I think are much more of a test of where we are. I agree. Yeah. And the fact is, the way I'm not... I don't think that one winning against Newcastle means we've solved our home from problem. So I would actually think we might have more of a chance of getting points Everton and Stoke than against... Because Southampton and the sort of team we've struggled against in the past, the sort of team that do what could do to us what we did to West Brom basically, just holdable for a long, long time. Yeah. I mean, the game on Monday night against Sunderland reminded us that there's a lot of areas the team needs to work on. Yeah. And it was a good response against Newcastle, but I know means finished article. Absolutely. Which sauce are you about? Absolutely. Yeah. The other thing is that we do the home form... I mean, that really helps. But the home form does have to be looked at. Yeah. And Southampton, I think arguably did us a favour last year because we were so bad. Warlocks last game. Well, it was so bad. We decided to play the Diamond. Well, they've been out for the first time. They've been out for the first time. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. I thought we'd beat them a couple of beats in the league that they won the last season. Yeah. I mean, they're really good. They're a good team, Southampton. Again, they're another team. We should be looking to emulate. Definitely. Yeah. But anyway, it should be a good game between Everton and Palace. So, a safe journey to everyone that is made... It's been three-two last two times. Last three-two last two times. Yeah, that's two times. Yeah. And in fact, the goals have been scarily similar in the way it's been scored and the pattern of the goals and stuff. So, I'm going to put mine on a three-two Palace win. Because that was a warlock, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah, it was a warlock. Yeah. Yeah, it was a purely something. Yeah. The only one was the one that we really fought. Well, that was the one that was cancelled. But that was the one where everyone went up and then the winner was so windy. It was so windy. So kind of told the five minutes we'll kick off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we went back a week later. And it's really windy now as well. Yeah. Well, it's amazing. No, no, no, it happens. Maybe Kaller will get blind on over the stand again. Yeah. Right. So, you're the only one who laughed. Yeah. I don't know what that says. Right. That's not a good person. Thank you. That's it. Thanks for listening. Thanks for your questions. We will see you after the Everton game. You're here. Sorry. You're here from us. So, goodbye. Bye. Bye. Goodbye. It's time to get your checking account to zero with free checking from PenFen. That's zero ATM fees, zero balance requirements, and zero time spent waiting for your paycheck in a direct deposit, because you can receive it up to two days early. Open your account with just $25 and see how big zero can be. Apply online today at penfed.org/freechecking. Early direct deposit eligibility may vary between pay periods and timing of payers funding. To receive any advertised product, you must become a member of PenFen in short by NCUA. This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. 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