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How do you feel when you switch to Geico and save on your car insurance? It's like going to work on one Thursday morning, and thinking to yourself, just one more day until Friday. But then somebody in the elevator says, "Happy Friday!" Then you check your phone quickly and discover today's actually Friday. So yes, Happy Friday, random stranger in the elevator. Happy Friday, indeed. Yep, switching and saving with Geico feels just like that. Get more with Geico! [Music] So, worry, this is the five-year plan podcast that is our fancy new intro. This week we're talking about the defeat against Sunderland, and looking forward to the game against Newcastle, as well as answering your questions from Twitter and Facebook. So join us for an hour of Palace Chat. Let's go! Yes, this is the five-year plan podcast with our fancy new intro there, welcome to this week's episode, one, five, seven, episode. We are sponsored by JCIS, the Global Brand Research Consultancy from South London. Think I'll back that up a little bit. We are sponsored by JCIS, the Global Research Brand Consultancy from South London, is that right? Yes, very good. And, of course, Vector Printing, for all your printing body we need, go to Vector.co.uk, Vector Weather. Okay, good. Okay, around the table today we've got Kevin Day. Hello. Jen Dinderkott. Hello. And Andy Street. Hello. I like Chaps. And we are literally around the table today, because we're in a different room. There's a rehearsal going on in the back room, and we're around a little tiny coffee table, and we're all trying to, actually, James Dinderkott's sitting on the floor for the first time. Yeah, what is this rehearsal you speak of? Practicing for something. Yes, that's what a rehearsal is. Oh, yes. Yeah, good idea. Yeah. So maybe if you try that, that's not bad idea, isn't it? Shall we talk about Palace and State? Who's the last to know? I was talking about the last time James Dinderkott sat on a check pile of carpet, as he calls it. 1978. It's Reg Roll. It's a shag pile of carpet. You know it. You're old enough to know what a shag pile of carpet is. I know what it is. I know it doesn't leave carpet birds, but anyway. Right. Again, before we go down that route, we are going to talk about Palace, because that could get messy. Right. Palace Lost 1-0-0-0-0. Shag pile of carpet. No. Come on, guys. Come on. You're better than this. Well, you're not. But anyway, right. Palace Lost 1-0-0-0 to Sunderland on Monday night. The main talking point is the goal itself. Who was the full? The whole team. The whole team. We were at fault for not being well ahead of one of the worst teams I've seen at Salas Park for quite some time. It's like we got to stop. We got to get this out of our systems like last, end of last season. We lost to West Brom, and we lost to Hull, two very poor teams, and we somehow had contrived to lose to them. And after about 10 minutes last night, it looked like we were contrivings. And all those people are moaning about Sunderland's time-waste team. The way it's stopped them time-waste is to score a goal against them. And then they wouldn't time-waste. But I don't know what's wrong, there's a strange atmosphere. The whole team. The whole team. But the whole team. But the whole team. By not being two or three goals ahead. Well, I mean, in terms of the individual chance itself, you know, Balassie, yet again, it's slightly overing to you when he's got five men ahead of him and knows there's very little in behind. Scott Dan, everyone knows he's better than that. And Wayne Hennessy, again, as a poor starting position, Dithers, and doesn't really show the sort of decisiveness that you'd want from him. And yet again, it, you know, shows some indecision that has cost us there, too. So you're combination of those three, if you can pinpoint individuals. But completely agree with Kevin in that, you know, we didn't really deserve anything from the match. It's all, so... And the goal was scored by somebody that we had a chance to go in for, and as a sort of player, we just desperate to, somebody who can score goals out of nothing. And caused a lot of trouble. And wind-up defenders, which he's doing the whole game was default. I've come to arms with stats tonight. Oh, good. But also, the other thing that was heavily mentioned around me during the game from almost the 15, 20-minute onward was typical Palace. And I think I'd be looking at Twitter and Facebook and everything. That's what we're saying. It's just, well, Palace fans have been around for a while. Yeah, but I didn't think that... I didn't think... I generally didn't think that I'd... But you were thinking that during the game? I was. Yeah, but before. Like, talking to people beforehand, I was saying, you know, in previous seasons, you'd go, "Yes, nailed on one-wheel witness, under the book. This is a different Palace team." I just didn't think it would... I just didn't think what happened. I thought, at the start of the game, we did what we did to West Brom will pass. We might not score first on, but we'll tie them out of our passing. But after five, two minutes, it was just... It wasn't that it was different. There was something wrong. The atmosphere was odd all night. We were almost a bit complacent. We were almost a bit complacent. We were almost a bit complacent. I think we were just complacent. Notice, there was one or two touches that Wickham did as passers. I'm not just pointing him out, but it was just a very soft pass. Just didn't have any energy. Didn't seem to have any energy that we've been having this season. We're going for it. We're going for it. It just seemed like, yeah, we know we're better than this team. We will get a goal eventually, and we will break them down. But we didn't break it. Yeah, and they seem to stime in. I was slightly annoyed by the fact that Pardue, and I don't know why he did this, but it spent four days telling the media that Aladice was the best manager he ever played against, and Aladice was a genius, and he didn't know if he could beat Aladice. And I don't think that helps in the same way that he didn't help Liverpool. When they constantly went on us, about us being their bogey team, I don't know what sort of message he was trying to send by saying that, or whether it's some kind of false tricking karma by pretending that he thought they were a good team when they weren't. It was very obvious how some of them were going to play. It was very obvious, and then Sam and Aladice said that in the afternoon in the school at sports. We're coming for a point. We're going to try and frustrate them. They're just completely stymied us by playing an extra cent about it. They seem to throw everyone in a complete confusion. And it's not like they just sat back all the time and said, they virtually played two up front. There was plenty of space there. And if they're about five hours sitting deep, then it's up to someone in the midfield. The thing that was most disappointing for me last night was that all night, I'm just waiting for Kebai to get older that game and just go right. It was not working down the flanks, and it wasn't. There was nothing coming down the flanks. And when Jannick and Wilf Roth, they're going, they looked so ordinary. And it was quite clear that there was nothing coming down there. So I read, neglected his defensive duties all night and then attempted help out there. Someone Kebai should have just got older that game and said, right, we've got to do something different then. We've got to drive forward from midfield. Sort of gave you one. Johnny Williams or someone like that, just getting the ball and driving. It just didn't happen. And James is absolutely right. We started off like we were in Karl and Glow Trotters. We were going to eventually score and some of it would happen. It just didn't happen. It was just too many flicks and tricks. You've got to learn that you'd have to earn the right to beat those. I think we were a little bit unlucky in second half with Sacco's injury, because he came on a half time for a bunch. And he looked actually okay second half. Had that one shot that told us a couple of good crosses. He then went off injured. So you do think, had he stayed on, might have potentially have been, we might have been a bit more sort of cutthroat than we were. But then we had Shamak and Bamford come on, who, I mean, Shamak's been out for a while, looked okay, but it didn't really look for much and nobody Bamford. But in this scenario, is it a case of just changing it up completely? Or is that too kind of cavalier or too straightforward? I think the phrase James used before, we went on their bad day at the office. Just put it down. Oh, he's just a bad day. He just has to put it down to experience and just... I don't think you can read too much into it. No, I think you just have to hope. Have you said that there was something odd just right from the start, getting in the ground, it was odd, the atmosphere is odd. A lot of people around us refused to applaud the French National Anthem, wouldn't get involved, that was causing problems. There's just something weird about the atmosphere all night. The fact that a lot of people didn't get into it quite late, because of the searches, the atmosphere is falling. Well, since the complacency in the stands, I think it was last night. Yeah, yeah. In the same way, it looked like the team expected just to be able to win by playing triangles in their own half. So the fans probably turned up thinking Sunderland are terrible and individually they're not great. But if you play as predictably as Palace did last night, where you're trying to whip in balls from deep wide areas against three huge men in Quatters, Cabal and Oche. They're going to clear everything up. Cabal won 13 out of 13 aerial duels last night. Well, that's a good start. There you go. I did too. I came arms with them. I came arms with them. And the one thing that you're going to be able to do with those guys is if you, as soon as you win the ball back, look to attack very, very quickly and look to actually try and unsettle them before they've all managed to get back into position, then you've got a chance against them. But if you allow them to sit as deep as they want and just to deal with balls from wide areas, they'll eat that sort of stuff up. You know, we look. The one thing that Leicester have so far this season right is that every time they've won the ball back immediately, they're on the break. They're all looking to attack with pace. They're all looking to support the man in possession. Sometimes they're looking for the direct out ball to just try and get via the end, try and get someone in. And they look dangerous on the break because of it. Against the Leicester teams, we don't look dangerous on the break. We do against, you know, United. The Liverpool's and your bigger teams are prepared to commit eight men ahead of the ball at times. But against the smaller teams who are never going to commit there, centre backs ahead of the halfway line and whose fall backs won't really always bomb on. It just looks a little bit one-paste. But I felt we dealt with that. The West Broaden, because I thought that was the first time was we've talked about this for two seasons. But at West Broaden, we just passed them off the pitch. We just waited, we moved the ball about, you know, and it looked sometimes where that light was going anyway, but part of which was absolutely right. You knew it by 75 minutes, and I just thought we'd do the same thing last night, but we didn't. We just thought we hadn't learned any lessons from the way we'd done it before, because it's exactly how West Broad played against this. It also showed to me how I know that every team has to go through the international break, but it does show how much the international break does affect teams. Because we'd lost that momentum. We'd had the same pattern, and then we'll lose to Newcastle. It was every time we've had an international break. We've won the game before, and we've lost the two games after it. Okay, well, we should not bother doing the next problem. The fact is, the thing is, though, you're right about international break. I mean, all teams have got to go through it. It's not just others. But what I did was give Alladoyce another week. To prepare his defenders, yeah. Because they haven't got that many players on international, so he was working. But it wasn't rocket sites, what they did differently. Well, not at all. But I felt, obviously, I thought it was slightly odd to start with Wickham already, but there's no point having to go at Wickham like people were, because I didn't think there was any sense of what his role was supposed to be, because sometimes he was trying to play like Shamaq and with his back to all to go and come in deep and linking up. And then what he never was was a proper centre fall, like you say, never won any balls that were hoisted high up in the air. But also, he never had a chance to get in. How many times can we not get crosses in? We've got a big cross in Wickham. If we know that Wickham is good in the air, at least try and get some crosses that are in front of him, that he can try and battle with a centre back to win. I can't think of one cross that went in sort of behind a centre back to him to run onto. I thought someone Twitter earlier saying everyone's learning about striker, striker, striker, but name me any clear cut chances that were created for a Eddie striker. No, no, no, they weren't any. It certainly wasn't Wickham's fault. He didn't look that he worked really hard, but he couldn't sense why he was in there, other than the fact that he used to play for Sunderland and they possibly had more to get in the goal. So why don't Palace seem to have a plan B? Well, we plan against teams like this. Well, we don't seem to try and change it up or do anything else. We have had to underparge him. We've often said on this part, he's been changing things during games. But not a serious system. Possibly. I'm surprised at half time he didn't think right. It's not working. They've got five at the back. There isn't just a bus. There's a fleet of buses. What are we going to do? We're going to get past them. But he didn't. I'm sorry, surprised. He didn't... Well, he did bring sack o' on. He did bring sack o' on. He was like, wasn't it? Yeah. Well, it wasn't me because in sack o' molass, he was just sort of doubling up next to each other. I mean, no one had a good game of punching. It was just so aimless in the first half. And as I thought, we all did as soon as we saw sack o' because sack o' came out early. And I think everybody thought wickin' wouldn't be coming out. Yeah. And that seemed to be the more obvious thing to do because it just make it more mobile. They'd start... Then Balassie Zaharan and sack o' would start moving about changing positions. But no, just... There was none of the fluidity that we've seen up front where they're all interchanged. You're not quite sure who's going to be where they're just in and out, in and out. But that's where you get from confidence. There was no confidence in the team last night. I thought the same thing because he was surprised. We were surprised. Swire, Swire, he lost points, lost against Swire. He's bumping forward, whacking balls in. Every time he went for it yesterday, he was looking for someone else. So it's controlled so many throwings we can see that we missed control. And Balassie, someone's got to get older Balassie and tell him every single defender in the Premier League, seen him do that thing where he drags his foot across the top of the ball and drags it. They know what he's... They're in the top class defenders. They know it's the same as they are. They've got to do something different those two. Even if it's just getting back to knocking the ball past the defender and using speed or just trying... It's just not working. And it's just become showboating for the sake of it with no effect. And against West Brom's they had a Brom was playing left by whoever it was. And last night it kept... You know, in a strange sort of way, the person we missed last night was Kelly. I thought it was incredibly harsh to drop him actually. Because Kelly doesn't try and play football, he defends. And also all the time last night, Sahar was waiting for Joel Ward to get up to him. All the time. I don't think Ward's good enough at the moment. And he didn't look fit. And all the time he was waiting. And Sahar was actually stopping. So the momentum was stopping. Balassie was waiting for Swari to get in. And since that's too easy to defend that. And it's the same as Ward. All Ward was getting up. And it's good to see him going forward. But literally Sahar was putting his foot on a ball waiting for him to get up there. And when Kelly's playing right back, Kelly's just defensive. See whatever he does. And they get on with attacking without him. Sometimes not everybody has to join in. Not everybody has to play football. And last night they were all down a delay. They were all looking to get their foot on the ball and play football. Which is great if you're free and you're fine. But earned the right to do that first of all. And like you say, something was just pesky all the time. We're doing all the games. It was great. It was great. I mean, it was a good response. It was not a great team, but it was a good performance. I would expect us to do that if we were in the bottom three to get anything to get a point. They would have been delighted before we were doing it. Two years ago. They were exactly how we played two years ago. They were a terrible team. Yeah. Whoever they played next, they'll go to the next game full of confidence and get battered. Yeah. But I don't think they could believe how little we pressured them last night. So was it once or the last night a reality check in a way? I don't know if it's a reality check or just, like James says, it's just a bad day. The obvious is how the obvious is. You remember the whole game, obviously in the West Brom game, both were just as bad. It just indicates that probably 10th in the Premier League. It's about right. It's where we are. And that's not a bad thing. It's just that we've had such a good start to the season. And I don't think, I don't think there was any Palace fan who wasn't looking at the league table again. Well, it would be 5th or 6th. You know, we're taught and playing West Am looking at the goals going. We're in their goal difference. We'll go above them. I just didn't, I didn't, didn't, didn't occur to me. You just have to look at the thing. There's a lot of Premier League teams who've got better players than we have. And you've got, they've got, they've just got to bring somebody in and they've got to freshen it up. I know we had a 10 million bid turned down for, the sport in Lisbon striker is Lamy. It's Lamani, it's Lamani, it's Lamani. Again, I'd be amazed that we didn't go in for Austin. But we've got, we just need some creativity in there. That's the disappointment that I keep saying. It kept coming back to me last night with Kebai. Because these are such a creative midfield player. It's just, I know MacArthur had one effort that we drove forward and Sean, but apart from that, there's nothing coming from the centre of midfield. There's no creativity. There's no different ball. There's no different angle. There's no nothing going inside the field. It was just about one game. It was just about one game. I don't think we should get ourselves too despondent, which you're not about. It's more frustrating. And that's the buzz word of this part. Frustration. Well, coming up to Liverpool. Either. Everybody saw how well Liverpool played against Man City and Liverpool were. But that's the same team apart from Bentecki that we'd be two weeks ago. And deserved to win, basically. So it's just like you struggled to comprehend how a team can do that and then lose to that. Well, does it prove Andy that actually, you know, we were talking about how far police have come to see them. Well, actually, there's still quite a lot of things to work on in that squad. Well, it's the cliche, right? That there's no easy games in the Premier League. I know it's set by just about every media outlet. You know, you're going to find a difficult match even against the Sunderland. Even in poor form, even with some fairly poor players in their squad, you're always going to get a physical battle. And it was probably a reminder that you can't just turn up against those sort of teams. It's interesting that Kevin mentioned the West Brom games. I think, you know, you're looking at a match there where, but for genuinely not far off a world-class performance in Wolves Aarha, that game perhaps is not that far different from the Sunderland match. You know, it would have continued to be incredibly frustrating. It took us still quite late in that game to actually end up eking out the goal. You know, it's the margin to end the Premier League. No, there was more purpose to that West Brom game. And there was more, you believed Pargy when he said that the player wants to move West Brom about, move their defenders about, and get them to win. Why didn't we do that on Monday night then? Because you can't, if there's human beings, as simple as that, we all have some podcasts and not as good as others. You know, I mean, if you get due... FBA nominated. Well, yeah, but... No, I know. You know, you bring Wickham back in, so it's someone else, it's someone for the players to get used to. Let's not forget that Sunderland did what they did very effectively. And the bottom line still is that that's a team that concedes goals for fun and we couldn't score against them. And you just have to hope that it inspires us, because Newcastle will have looked at that and thought, well, we can do that then. And the goals will arguably reverse sides in Sunderland with more goals scores in the team. I think that might suit us a bit more play, because they're going to come with the usual sort of tune arrogance, thinking that they'll be able to play us off the part, which hopefully might leave the sort of space that we'll be able to exploit. I mean, I think it's probably a lesson for us and a lesson for Pargy that we're probably not going to be any teams particularly well this season if we just pass in front of them. But as you were saying last season, midway through the end of last season, midway through the end, that we need to work out to play teams at home and come against us. And we're now eight months down the line and it's exactly the same scenario. So why hasn't anything changed? And the fact is our home form, and I know we've played good teams, but it's a course to concern our home form. It really is, because we can't keep winning away games as simple as that, because we can't keep relying on our way form. We've got to sort that home form out. Pargy's now been in charge for nearly a season of home games, like 18 and has won five out of those 18. 5 out of 18, look at that. Which is not a great way. What's your way to? What's your way to start? Very good. I think it's 12 out of 17 or something. Second most success is really good. Another interesting start. Whenever we go behind, we don't end up coming back now. We've gone behind in 12 matches, only one to come back to. That was his first game. And that was then against Spurs. I mean, there's an element there that perhaps that goes back to what we're saying, that we're not able to particularly world change up the approach when we go behind. It seems, in yesterday, there was a ton of bit more urgency, but all looked a little bit sort of comedy capers, didn't it? There didn't seem to be a lot in the way of a coherent plan to even that late on. Try and break them down aside from, you know, throw forward down and hoist some balls into the box, which hadn't been working up to that point. Where's the difference? Looking at the bench, you've got no, there's no way of changing. There's no difference or player on the bench. Plan B? Well, yeah. There's a thing about Plan B. And I just, I just generally think, and I'm going to say this in the hope that it will have the same effect as it did last time. I said it, but they've got it. The Lassie's got to have a rest. And I said that before a little game and I was making a lot of money. And I was making a lot of money. That's probably why I'm saying it. But he's got to have a rest. I don't understand why out of all of them, the Lassie's the one that Pardu simply refuses to try and play without. Because he's tried playing without all the others. And it's just, the whole thing about the Lassie's our heart, it's the element of surprise against your position. But, you know, but it's, that's, I mean, I know it's only one game. Are they getting found out now? Are they getting found out now? I know it's what Kevin was saying. They've almost got this one trick that they just keep going over and over again. Are you in the decision making? I was going to say one positive thing. It was great to see the return of Shemaq. Yes, it was. That was a positive. Well, that's a lot of our issues that we've been talking about. Come from the fact that Punchin hasn't been in particularly good form in number 10. No, no, no, no, no. The reason that Keba and MacArthur look so deep and so isolated at the base of the midfield is because Punchin hasn't been doing brilliant in terms of linking up that era of midfield and linking up whoever's in attack. Maybe with Shemaq back. Shemaq, you can actually play in that number 10 role. Shemaq back. Shemaq back. Give give Punch who is undoubtedly class a bit of a rest. But have somebody who can come and each have a bit of dynamism in that role. Hopefully, we might now see a bit more chance creation. Hopefully. It's time we get to the new year and everybody's scrambling around in the January window. Hopefully, Shemaq will get his fitness back. And just that fight for place as well. We had a little bit with MacArthur and Ledley. I wouldn't be surprised to see Shemaq start on Saturday because he's got a bit of devil in him as well, Shemaq. Yeah. He's got that sort of guy. And he wants to prove you really want to see. When he came on yesterday, he's slightly not quite there, but you can see his eyes. I want to get his eyes. But we talked about what a loss he was after that Swansea game because he, the last few games of the season, he was just, he wasn't scoring goals. But in terms of creativity, in terms of also what he does, wins the ball really high up. He really puts pressure on the centre backs. He really puts pressure on them. You can't play out with him there. And he never wastes the ball. His creativity is passing. And I think if you get him and could buy a linking up. And then if you can get the ball, just, what you need is so hard, you need Sahaq and Balassie to be running. So many times last night, virtually every time they'd get the ball to their feet. And they got to start, generate their own momentum, or they'd wait for the ward. And what they need is people passing, putting the balls in the side for them to run onto. Yeah. And not give them time to think. You can, Balassie is a hard time to think. They mess up. They mess up. And they just sometimes... They have to work on instinct, don't they? Just sometimes get the cross in the first time, just hit the cross... We haven't seen him before he's came to his wife. Yeah, absolutely. And also the thing with Shammack is he will get in the box as well. And again, so many times last night, you look up. And I'm sure as a horror, Balassie would say it's not our fault. There's no one getting in the box. But, yeah, away at Liverpool, most of the day they're highlighted, there's a moment towards the end before we equalised. We had six players in their box. Yeah. Away from home, we had six players together. But at home, they just seemed really reluctant to commit themselves forward for some reason. I don't... There's an atmosphere, isn't there? There's something about our fault. And also, again, you know, God love Jedi. He's one of those players in this situation like that, you think, at least Jedi, he would get the ball, he would drive it. Yeah, yeah. That's what Lendy's doing. Lendy's doing. Lendy's doing. Yeah, that's what... Just need something to lift him. We just need to get the first goal in the game. Because if we've got the first goal last night, we'd have got four or something. Well, I'd love to see what the stats are on us getting the first goals. We tend to win. Good, yeah. Thanks for that, Andy. Thanks. Good standard. That's right. But Newcastle, Newcastle, I mean, they were terrible against Leicester. Yeah. At the back, they got real problems in the centre midfield. So we need to get... Well, it is, but the problem is, that's the pressure on them. It shouldn't be any pressure on them, because we're mid-table in the Premier League, but the fans... I'll be interested to see what the atmosphere is like at the start of the game on Saturday, because I think it's going to be quite muted. Well, let's preview Newcastle at the end of the party. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that'll be interesting. That was the first part, part two, we've got questions from our listeners. So, do you want us in a bit? Welcome back to the five-year plan podcast. Oh! Sponsored by Vector Printing for all your print and embroidery needs. Go to Vector.co.uk, Inspector Wither. OK. And JCIS, the Global Brand Research Consultancy from South London. Right, we've got questions from our listeners for this week. The first one comes from Michael Casey. Hello Michael. Oh my god. Michael says, "I've recently started seeing a Macamlass." Oh, great. What's your best suggestion on getting her to shut up about Monday night? Oh. Stop seeing the Macamlass. Oh my. Be extreme. Get a time machine and replay the game. Tell her there's a Greg's around the corner who should be out of the door like a flash. Yeah. Wow. Tell her she sounds exactly like a Geordie. Tell her it's only 12 miles down the road, and they should grow up without... She should just do what I do with my Macamades and open-dense day. Just look up the date of the return picture at the stadium of light. And, you know, I make them aware of the fact that it will again be 4-1 at the stadium of light. Yeah, OK. And just fill them with a sense of impending doom. It said that, "I hope you enjoy your relationship, and we wish you all the best for the future." Absolutely. Yeah. Nothing makes for a good relationship like impending doom. Yeah. Oh, I'll settle the Macs in. Oh, I'll settle the Macs in. Mac don't even tuck them. Right. And it's a question of Christmas. I see Hawaii the lead, they get cross about that as well, because one of them is Hawaii the lead, something I would say, Hawaii the lead. Hawaii, yeah. Well, it's people starving after you're dicks. Right. Stephen Rich. Hi, Stephen. Right. Says, "Is it simply a coincidence that Ponton's form has regressed since the arrival of Kebai?" That's a good question. Good question. You've... It's probably not a coincidence, no. No. I... I think... I think it's... I don't think it's anything to do with the way we play football, more than the fact that I think Ponton's nose is a little bit out of join, that he's not... Also, it's kind of... It's really hard to pin down what... If you said what position does Ponton play in, what is it? It's really hard to sort of pin down what... Well, he was definitely in our 10 last season, wasn't he? He was floating a little bit deeper now and swapping a game on the other side. Go all over the place. Do you know, I think there's an argument for maybe... If Balassie's rested, play punch, because he's such an intelligent... On the wing. Is he such an intelligent player? He died the season off out, why didn't he? He did, yeah. And he's such an intelligent player, but he's not... Whether he's not a top dog or whether he's been told that he hasn't got that responsibility. I don't know, but clearly, he's also been told not to do that much tackling back because he's not... Well, if that's coded comments from the... I've heard you a couple of weeks back about Kebai being easily the highest earned... Yeah, and he's... He's getting sanded out. His players come up to me and he's just seeing like a bit weird at the time. Yeah, I don't know, he can get to any specific players, but you do sometimes wonder the effect that... Bringing time in, he runs so much more than everyone else might have upon... Some of the slightly more fragile ego, shall we say, in the dressing room. I wouldn't like to speculate any further than that because I don't know what goes on there. Well, that's interesting because... I don't know, probably we'll get in trouble for certainness, but he did actually say... The lady did say on the pod that he didn't... I think if you've got players that know they're not as good as Kebai, they won't be bothered by his wages, but somebody like Punchin, who clearly has a high opinion of his ability, probably might unset them a little bit, but... Because he's more of the fact that everything used to go through him. Everything went through him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was the pros that made things happen to the three kings. To the three kings, although, whereas now he doesn't, he doesn't go through him. He's there, he should be playing, you know, I think he should be... He should step up to the mark and become more of a supporting role for Kebai, but... Yeah, maybe he's better when he's the man. Maybe that's what he feels, I think. I think he'd be as good if he just got his head in a different mindset. But I wouldn't be surprised if Punchin's one that goes in the close season, in January. Well, in January? Yeah, I just don't... I just think... Well, yeah, but I just think gradually as each week goes by, he's not... I think it's interesting that he was the one that was taken off last night, because... He had a half-time take. And at half-time, and the sack I was not like for like. And there was a moment in the first half where he had a sort of half-hearted shot for the Ninja in the books, and then just didn't even bother to sort of go for the rebound. He's just, his shoulder's not... I don't know whether it's a conference. He's always thought off a bit, hasn't he? Well, he's won by reputation. He's a hard player to manage by reputation, you know? And he's in and out, but at the moment, he's very much out. I can't see him starting on Saturday to be perfectly comfortable. Well, come on through this, then, from Joe Podsy-Adley. Hi, Joe Podsy-Adley. Will you hope that's pronounced right? Yeah, apologies if not. Joe says, "Should we be setting up differently for home games against low half opposition, perhaps giving goodbye a chance to go further forward?" I think we have... Kevin's already answered that question. Yeah, as you were knowing what the question was. That's how good he is. That's how good he is at podcast. I think... I'm slightly not mistaken. Not Mr. I didn't think we bought Kebai to play as deep as he has done. No. To be perfectly honest. He was very deep last night. Yeah. And I think that's a very good question. I think the answer is yes. We need to get Kebai into the game more. He's one of the best footballers we've bought. At the moment, we don't see him playing a lot of football because he's... You know, he's brilliant. He's got his great interception figures and his great tackling figures. But that's not what we paid the money for. And I think we've already got Ledley and MacArthur and... And Jeddon, who can do that. If that's what you're wanting for, it's a lot of money to pay for a destructive midfield. He took some terrible corners last night as well. Yeah, he did. Some of those corners are good. Well, I started punching as well. Yeah, but our dead ball delivery... We've called them three kicks has been poor for two seasons, basically. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You two couldn't have been more like that than a ward off dead. That's actually... I'm just just trying to point it out. Terrible! Terrible! That's a great compliment. Thank you. You're welcome. Well, the next question comes from Zee Row. Hi, Zee. Hi, Zee. Good name. Do you rely too much on our fast wingers? I think so. There's more of a question, but you can... No, please, I don't want to interject too soon, if there's more. Well, I know it's supposedly the Palace style, but is it a wee bit obvious... I'm just trying to describe it in the back. Yeah. Do we not need another way? Yeah. Whatever that may be. We need a plan B. Yeah. I completely agree. You know, as I said earlier, I think, you know, if you're just going to sling in balls from wide areas and deep against very tall physical centre backs, you're going to not create a great deal. It's an incredibly inefficient way to play football. And I was struck last night, particularly by how slow off the mark, both Balacians are, were both immediately after we lost the ball, but immediately after we regained the ball. Yeah, yeah. They weren't busting a gut to get back to support their full backs, but they also weren't busting a gut to give an early output. Yeah. You know, trying to support the man who had gone up in possession, was ahead of them or anything like that. So, you know, it's all very good putting in a couple of stepovers and slinging a ball in, but it's rarely ever going to create a lot of goals. So, I don't think Zee has some good point there. Wing play can be really exciting. Like, QPR was a classic example. We always mentioned really exciting. Wing play leading to goals against West Brom. Wing play was, I mean, it can be very effective, but you need somebody who's lightning fast, who can beat the fall back every time. And then, even when Balacians are hard can do that. You need somebody, when we come back to it time and time again, who make the right decision in terms of crossing, shooting, pulling it back or whatever. And, yes, their options are limited, but how many pods are we going to keep standing on? And, you know, even thinking about the goal, Balacian scored at Liverpool. How many came back as Liverpool were tossing about in their own? We didn't create that goal. Yeah, Yannick just happened to be in the right place at the right time. But, similarly, Scott Dangle, you know, comes to me as a corner. He's great at attacking, but you can't always rely upon defenders losing Scott Dann and goalkeepers messing up with the first attempt at a save, like Minula did. So, yeah, we very much need either a Plan B, Plan C, or different person there on the bench to carry on with Plan A, basically. Speaking of which, the next question comes from Chris Immanuel. - Hi, Chris. - Hi, Chris Immanuel. - He's put... - Good films from the 70s. Yeah, great. Oh, I'm going to carry on with you. - Manuel, what a lovely audience. - Manuel, three was good. Yeah. - Chris has put... Is Joel Ward, now the weak link in our back line, he was caught out on a number of times. - I think so, yes. - Yes, I do think he's a weak link. I mean, Kevin said it on, I think we missed Mike Hell last night. Well, I left the ground last night, my son said to me, because I know I shouldn't say this, because he's... And we're losing, but I don't think we should be playing Ward on the moment. He's not. I mean, he's been out for it. - He's been out for a while. - Yeah, he's been out for a while. - I don't think he's held, but I just think... - No, he's clearly a client's player. I don't... I think that's... He used to be the left backwards a week, but he wasn't over. I think it's the right way now. Well, I think we all said last night in the poor sense beforehand, when the team was announced, that's pretty much... Other pubs in the area are available, by the end of the night. Absolutely not. They're not. But we... I just happened to be there when this story happened, but... I think most of us thought that's pretty much our first delivery. Yeah, but my thought is that right. But certainly, that's... You may have won for all of us our first delivery, and certainly our first choice back four. But I think with hindsight, as the street, it says, "Really harsh on Kelly? It's been dropped." - I agree. - But it's really difficult with defenders, because, like, a striker, you can give them half an hour. Or bring them off the bench. It's harder to do that with defenders. You can't sort of play them back into the game, but... He just didn't look fit last night, and he was being asked... The reason he was stuffing defensively is because, obviously, he was being asked to go forward all the time, as well. And if the players just got back in the team, it's going to be exhausting, I imagine. And then when the young guy comes on one more, he's very pacey. - Yeah, yeah, he's got a chance every time. - Well, I thought... I thought they were targeting Ward. I did as well. Hopefully, about half an hour in, and then into the second half, it looked like that guy out on the left, they looked like they were trying to get the ball beyond the wall as much as possible. Speaking of injuries, our players are not quite fit. David Fraser. Hello, David. Is the expectation on players returning from injury always a bit too high, Wickham, Chairman? It's a really good question. That's a great question. Yeah, I think... - Probably is, yeah, to be honest. - Yeah, I think there's a tendency to believe that they're going to be like a magic wand. It's like, "Oh, it's a blind and new player." But... Well, there's that thing, you can be fit. You can be fit, and you can be fit. But there's, I think, is when people say match fit. - Yeah. - And there's a massive difference. - Yeah. - You can be fit, and you can run around for 90 minutes, but be match-free is not just running around. It's tackling, it's sinking. It's being on the case. - There is also... - We're also doing that in training and stuff. - Yeah, but it's still a different level. - It's obviously... I mean, obviously, the manager sees something in training, which is why they pick them. But there's also an element of confidence as well. When a player has been out injured for a long time, it's going to take a while before he goes in for tackles with as much confidence as he used to have, especially for a defender. And I think... I'm surprised that Wickham started again last night. I'm not quite sure what the logic was, because he's never been... I mean, he scored 11 times in '67 for Sunderland. Some of those were in the championship. He's never been an out-and-out goal scorer. So... If Gail's out injured, you could see the argument for putting him straight back in, because at least he can score goals at that level, and he's a lot of pace, but Wickham seems a strange one to put straight back in and say, he's going to give us the goals that he's been... - Part of the interview that Wickham gave in one of the papers at the weekend, which is very interesting and articulate. He's just singing, really, really singing. Part of the interview was saying, "I'll play for England with Part of the interview. I've never played it with a bit of management." It's like, "Well, that's nice, but..." I also think, I think you mentioned it in the first part, I think a lot of it was we had to play Wickham, because we are playing against his own club. And I think there's a lot of that. Players want to prove himself in your club. That's how I can understand that. He's putting a bit of hide-ins and nothing by Part of you, both with the fact that the defence was at times going so direct with that sort of diagonal, long-balling team, but against three huge centre backs, and he wasn't getting a lot of sports anywhere else physically, or in terms of getting close to him. He just looked incredibly isolated because of it. I think, for him and for everyone else, it was just one of those things. He was totally up for it, because almost the first, within the first ten seconds of the game, he rammed to get the ball to start the game, and he went back to their right back, and he was like a lightning, and he went out for the throw. He was like, "Yeah, go on." He thought, "Wow, he's up for it." It might be as well that Wickham was one of those players that he won away from home, because you said when he came on at Anfield, and the ball stuck, because then he's playing up front of his own, and the ball doesn't come back as quickly as he holds the ball up and brings people into play. Last night, he just didn't seem to know what his role was, and that's why Schamak as well, Schamak's got a lot of experience, and he's street smart as well. Schamak will give those centre backs real. He's all elbows and slide kicks, and so roughing them up. I just thought, what we want to happen is, we want to get the stadium redeveloped as soon as possible, so we have to play all our games away from Salas Park. Good idea. I'll make a comment on it. That was only his fifth or sixth game for Palace. We're talking about a guy that I'd barely played for the game. That's right. It's really unfair for everybody to have a go at him. Last night, the people tweeting it was his fault. That's ludicrous. You've got to let him have time to... But I just thought it would have made more sense to let him have another half-hour of this game. But again, I suppose it's not an impact. But it's just, you know... He clearly powered you really, really rates him, clearly. Speaking of the stadium games, you know, maybe Joe is so old fashioned, and we won't see it, but, you know, why not? If we're in Galesford, try Wicom and Gales, try that combination. Yeah, we're talking about Pambi's, aren't we? Yeah. Speaking of the stadium plans, Danny Boy. Hello Danny. Like I said, boys, what is your take on the US investment plans? It's in this recently that we're potentially getting some investment from American businessmen. Well, realistically, we're never going to accumulate the cash just by being in the Premier League to build a new stadium, because football has cost so much. There's just not going to be the surplus money for that. The four you got in charge now don't want to risk their entire net worth to pay for it all on their own. The only option they've got then is either serving the club outright, which they don't seem to want to do their own, or getting other investors involved. So, I mean, from that perspective, I suppose it seems to make sense. It's the only sort of solution that will allow them to still stay in charge and to hopefully upgrade to Cellhurst. I personally really hope it's not sort of a pathway to them not being involved at all in an outright sale. The two Americans have not got anything against them and not got anything against Americans whatsoever. I just personally like the fact that we're owned by sort of four Palace fans. They're all sort of pretty local to the club. Some of them have been going over years and years and years and sort of know what it means. I'm not saying that anyone who isn't from close to Palace and sports club doesn't know what it means as much as people who come from close to the area, but it just seems nice when you've got a club that's got that sort of close cultural link to its community to have some owners who've still got that. So, you know, I'd like to hope we could retain that. I think from what I can gather, talking to people that the co-owners are so excited about what's happening at the club, that they want to stay part of it for as long as possible and they want to retain ownership of the club. And I think part of the delay in the negotiations with the Americans was just that in trying to come up with a figure sufficient for the Americans to be involved with the club, but not to make the decisions. I suppose the way it's being sold, it's a win-win-you-can't argue with a massive amount of investment that they've said they will spend on both the infrastructure and on players and at the same time we retain the ownership and I think we all agree with what Andy just said so articulately about retaining our roots and our cultural identity. And I think the four owners are very, very keen to do that. And I think they've identified that this is the only way apart from selling the club in which we can carry on. And to me, I mean, I like sellers, but to be fair, you know, it could do with a wash and brush up. Let's face it on a new stand. If some of that money is going to be available in January for quality players, then that's great. I mean, we've had this discussion before. It always, our generation of fans will always be slightly more worried about things like this than younger fans with only the Premier League who don't have that same sort of cultural attachment that we have. We haven't been through as dreadful days when there was 50 of us in our way game, which for some reason makes us all misty-eyed with nostalgia rather than doing, let's never go back there again. But once you've been part of that, you don't want to have to be airbrushed out of history. The way the Premier League has airbrushed the rest of... Only five years ago. That's right, that's right. But already there is a new generation of fans. It's like my godson who's 15, 16, 17, whatever it is. He's just turned 15, but he's only known really the last five, you know, and the young people forget the bad times. So that's the balancing that the club has to do, but I think this is a good way of keeping both sides up, because it is a lot of money. And the fact is, we want to do one, the Premier League. We want to keep getting better, but we need some better players than we have gotten. And it is really exciting, and it is brilliant because you wake up this morning a bit sulky, but you look at the league table and you realise it's the Premier League we're in the middle of. Yeah, exactly. And you realise where we were five years ago? And again, the young people go for God's sake, they go in about five years ago. Everything the club does at the moment. I like to cherish the fact that it keeps reminding us that everything the club does is about making sure we never go back to that, everything. And the fact is that we're not in a situation anymore. Yeah, we talk about players like Mickey Joy and Alan Lee. We talk about players. There's a real sentimentality about Palace fans and every club. But you can't have that. If you want to do one in the Premier League you just have to go, you know, Jason Pontus has been brilliant. But if we can get a better player, we get a better player. Steve, for yourself, I think this guy came back in a hard place. Well, you know what I mean? That's a sort of player we wax lyrical of. Are you tend to dare to play as you talk about the heroes? Yeah, yeah. Legends of the game. And it's like Damian Delaney is, for example, but he'd probably be the first one in himself to say if the club needs to go forward and of course they need to buy it. Better players. It's a lot of money, but it's money that Palace need if they're going to go to that next. Yeah, and it's from the next level. Yeah, and the next level is not Europe. No, no, no, no. Then there is being... It's consistent on top. Yeah, yeah. Only in the middle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And some home form that you can play. And some home form. Right. So you've got to think on a purely commercial basis. I mean, there was all these rumours that Steve Parrish has said to do for him and you've got to start playing better football. You know, suddenly we went through that period when we'd been running for a while and we started winning at home because the rumour was that Parrish had said to him no one's going to buy season tickets for the way you play football normally. And on a purely commercial basis, the fact that we're in the Premier League alone won't make people spend money on season tickets. If season tickets cost as much as they do, you want to go to a game in the hope that you're going to see Palace win. And if, you know, like you say, if you only won five out of the last 18 home games, when it comes to buying a season ticket next season, in a time of austerity, when a lot of people haven't got a lot of money, you can understand them going. That's something the club needs to address, really. Well, hopefully we will sort that home format. Next question is from Martin Patrick. Hi, Martin. And this is for James. He says, "Enders sat next to me on the Orpington Train last week, but he looked like he did a hard day slash life." So I didn't talk to him. I didn't talk to him. Do the panel welcome strangers talking palace with them when they least expect it, or did I do the right thing? I'd barely welcome my friends talking to me. I'm a very friendly person. Martin? Martin, yeah. Martin, Martin, Martin, you should have said hello. I don't like... I would say, on average, once a week, I'll get a tweet from somebody saying, "I saw you looking hung over rough at various railway stations." So I didn't come and say hello. But no, I think... It's always really nice when people come and say, "I love it when people come and say I listened to the pod." Or I heard that bit of the pod. I really... I really like it. I really like it. I really like it when my kids say I listened to the pod. Yeah. Is that very rarely happening? Yeah. The video about people come up to me and say, "You've got my coat on." That's about it, really. But no, in general, do say hello. We will be professionally nice and they will moan about you on a pod. No, I want Martin. And Martin, your second name, Patrick. I was born on St. Patrick's Day. So we could have just spoken of that as well. There you go. Well next, if Martin, if you see James again, then you've got two things to talk to. So if you're in Chesham, which is where Eden Bridge now lives. Yeah. Don't call me Eden Bridge. I'm John Paul. I'm on Chesham. Chesham. Go up. Hello to JD. Please. Yeah. I need some friends. Right. Last question for this part is from Mike Benz. Hi, Mike. I don't know if you've seen guys at the club have drawn up a moment of the decade short list. We've seen as 10 moments that they're getting fans to go. I wonder why that was. It's because we're 110 years old. Oh. I was like 10 years since the Centenary. That's cool. And then people in the Porsons last night were singing Happy Birthday to Pallets. So I see them the first game or like the date of last year in November. No, it was, I think. They were singing Happy Birthday to Ellie. Oh, what? Yeah. Oh. Oh. Oh, she's making a film for a birthday. Oh. Oh. It's part of the film. Oh, she's not in the room. Oh, she's not in the room. She doesn't listen to the pod. She doesn't listen to the pod that shit. What? Why am I going to sit down and listen to my husband talk about Pallets? Because I've never heard him do that before. I'm genuinely feel people. No, no, no. We've seen happy birthday to Pallets. No, no, no. Sorry. There we go. Yes, I have seen that it's doing the moment of the decade. What Mike has asked us, what is our moment? So do you want me to read up the moment to you? Then you can just. Oh, that's provided the shortest of them. Yeah. Yeah. I would have said the day we were saved. Interesting. Interesting. Well, let's see if that appears in the short list. It obviously does. Yeah. Yeah. The short list in chronological order are Shintons 100th Gold for Pallets. The 2008 playoff run where we then lost in the semis. Butterfield's hat trick. Good one. It was for 2010. Yeah. Obviously the CPSC 2010 takeover in general. Really interesting. Brighton won Pallets 3 for Fast 8 Murray. Yeah, yeah, yeah. FSS Murray, sorry. Ambrose is gold at Old Trafford. Oh, wow. The 2013 playoffs in general. I guess that includes Wilves Double and the final. Yeah. Chris Dambol, 3-3. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Or Chelsea won Pallets 2 from this season. Well, we've had some good moments. Yeah. That's a good moment, isn't it? I would, well, personally, my own favourite would be the boat to full them. That would be my favourite. No, it wouldn't be great. No, it wouldn't be great. I do remember. That was good. I would, I don't know. In terms of significance, I would say it would have to be the playoffs 2013. Really, just the results that led up to it. But that Kevin Phillips penalty basically led to all this basically, isn't it? It's led to so much fun, though. But there's some good moments here, right? So I forgot on those. Anyone else? Murray... The battlefield had to be on the battlefield had to be on the battlefield. That was against Wall's, wasn't it? Yeah. There was only about, there wasn't many people in the crowd. Yeah. And also, some bloke was with us, had put money on battlefield to go on the battlefield. No, really? Yeah, 100 to 100 to 100. No way. Yeah. So we were all kind of quite delighted for him. And it was a proper hatchery. So that was so unlikely. Yeah. And in a time... I'm so palace as well. Yeah. It's been around... It's a difficult time. It's a weird thing to happen. But then the Ambrose Gold... The Morris is under... Oh, that's a random one. That's a really random one. I can't remember. I can't remember. My one would be... Ambrose, old traffic. Purely, just purely for the ridiculousness of everything about palace winning there. It's him scoring for 40 yards. Gary Neville saying it's the best... Yeah, I think he was... I'm supposed to hold him for the whole day from getting up in the morning thinking, "Oh, my God." That by the end of today, we could be in league one. Or not be a club. Or not be a club. Or not all the hell's going on. Yeah. Actually, James, considering that probably is more important even because the playoff wouldn't have happened without... Without that, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would probably say... Andrew. I'm going with Clinton's 100th Gold. [LAUGHTER] Screw you guys. [INTERPOSING VOICES] I like Clinton. It's a no more isn't. I'm right. It's a good question. Mike Ben's one. That was good. Right. That brings to the end the questions. In part three, we're going back to a palace date on this day. So, see you in a bit. Clinton's 100th Gold. It's not Clinton's 100th Gold. So, so good last time. Join us. [LAUGHTER] I'm persisting with it. Do you want us in part three? [MUSIC PLAYING] Hello. Welcome back to the five-year plan podcast. Three. Three. Oh! Oh! First three of this week's pod and is our new feature on this day where we go back to a day... What's on this day? In Palace's history. Today is November 24th, 2015. Yeah. And on this day, this week we go back to 1997. Oh! Interesting. On this day, November 24th, 1997 was Palace played a white heart lane in the Premier League. I don't remember what the score was. Three. One. Nope. One, one. Don't stop us naming scores. But what else did you do, Joe? No, it was. It was one-nil Palace. Oh, was it? We had a very good way record that season. And it did a score. And it was a chip-ly. It was a chip-ly. It was a chip-ly. And he's read it over my shoulder on my shoulder. We got over a shoulder on his face. Nilship-ly, one-nil result of Palace, and... I did read it over a shoulder. What was significant about that? We did have that because we started off... We'd be... It never did, didn't we? It started with London. Yeah, it was London. Significant about that result. Was it took us up to... 10th in the table? Right. Which is exactly where Palace are now. Interesting. And I think, actually, that might have been the highest we were then until the end of season when we got relegated. Yeah. But what was interesting about that season, like 798, was that we had a very good way record, but a very, very bad... Very bad record, yeah. Wow. We're living in a parallel universe. Is that what you're saying? Kind of. Obviously now... We don't need a nilship-ly now, don't we? God, yeah. I mean, the home record obviously wasn't as bad. We had a bit of presence up front, wouldn't we? Well... It was home record, it was worse, much worse. We didn't win at home until last April. Yeah. Dobby, Dobby. Yeah. Dobby, yeah. Wow. But I had a very good way record as well, so... Well, at a start, we did. It got... It got worse. Well, I think at one point, we started off... After a month or so, at 6 weeks, we had the best away record in the league and the worst home record. So, we must have gone down that season. We went to the bottom. Because we went down every time we came up. Yeah. Apart from... That was for the great days where we had Thomas Brolin as a sister manager. So, we were tense. So, we were tense at this point, but we went down. Yes. So, there's... But we wouldn't have had that many points. So, we'd have had as many points as we had now, would we? I'd be surprised. Yeah. I don't know. But that's interesting. But it's interesting. Even in the end of November, we can still... I'm not saying Paris is going to go down this season, but... No, but it does prove that if you haven't got a decent home form... Speaking of impending day for a minute, I've seen it come over... Get in his face now. Well, I'm going to... I'm going to regret saying... How loud that we're not going to go down. Oh, we are. We're not going to go down. 10 points clear of relegation. Yeah, yeah, no. 10 points clear. It'd be interesting to know if, you know, for the next time we do this feature, to actually have some proper stats in front of us. Let me put... I bet it's a very good one you chose there. Well done. It was a weird season, wasn't it? Nice of night, eh? We had three different managers. One of them was a big English. Had a game abandoned due to a light failure... Yeah. Legally caused by a fiery betting certificate. It was like something of a dream team, wasn't it? Wow. Yeah, it was Stanley at Upton Park. Yeah. And that was... Goldberg was... Yeah, he chose... Yeah, Goldberg took over, I think, half way through it. Yeah, because he... He insisted that... Oh, that was 20 years ago, isn't it? Yeah. He reckoned Brolin and... Uh... No bother, could speak English. They just chose number two. They just chose number two. Yeah, 'cause that was a weird basket case, but I do that season. Yeah. It all went horribly wrong, isn't it? Oh, god, for the balls. Yeah, that's what we got. Yeah. Oh, god. Yeah, god. Is it the end of the season? It's just as we've gone down. For the balls on this gold wheelbarrow full of cash. Yeah. Well, right, don't worry lads. We know we've been a bit of a basket case with Lombardo and Brolin in charge, but it's okay. We've just appointed Terry Venables. Yeah. Pretty solid. Let's go. I remember... I think it was... It was pretty sure Lombardo made his debut with a friendly at Barnet. And it was obviously a lot of Palace fans, yeah. And we all remember Lombardo just looking around and thinking... What am I doing? Quite well. Quite well. What a player. He's still got to be... It's one of the best players we've ever had. I've been in similarity this season as well. Obviously, again, this season, we've signed another world-class midfielder at the start. Yeah, but I think you would argue that he hasn't quite had the same impact that... Lombardo had. Well, he's not at the likes of Bruce Dyer to feed the ball into. Well... You know, if we had a modern day in Bruce Dyer... I mean, Bruce Dyer was a good striker. He wasn't as lucky. He was his scored goals. Yeah. Well... I can't believe that's going to be 20 years ago. I still think Bruce Dyer is a promising youngster. Is he not? Yeah. He's a good artist. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, that's a good feature. Well done. There you go. That's really it. This week's on this day. So... Thank you. Very good. No, I enjoyed it. So that's the only thing that's ever happened in the close history on this day. We can't do all of them. No, we can't. No. We could maybe do a couple. We must have had another game on the 24th. No, I never. We did, but the whole problem was that we hit one. And one of them was what he was talking about. People wanted to go... Yeah, there's some relevance there. Not a lot of relevance. Yeah, a lot of relevance. 20 more than you initially thought. Fair enough. Yeah, yeah. Good! Excellent. And that there. Part four then, we look forward to Newcastle at home. Six points, I must win. Definitely. Otherwise it's all over. Right, okay. Do you want to listen a bit? So, welcome to part four of the podcast. Hey! Sponsored by Vector printing for your printing body. We need to go to Vector Quality case. Vector weather. Okay. And J.C.I. as a global research prank as well as from South London. I've got a question. I've got a question. Yeah. Why is Kevin Day suddenly looking so worried? Well, I don't know. Why are you looking worried, Kevin? I will tell you. It's because after that very interesting on this day feature, we just had about beating Tottenham the 24th of November, 1997. I thought I'd look up in the Ian King's Estible book. Our books are available. I don't know, are they? No, no, no. It's just him. Ian King's Complete History. Yes, we beat Tottenham in 1997, 24th of November. That's good. To go 10th as J.D. pointed out. We had 19 points. Exactly the same as I've done. Exactly the same now. Good. And we didn't win another game until the 20th of March. And then we only won two more games after that and went down. So we need to not do that this season. What was the next win? 20th of March away in New Castle. It was 18th of March, actually. 18th of March, sorry. 18th of March. Well, we're in New Castle. 18th of March away in New Castle. Right. We didn't win a... Well, it was really well, doesn't it? It was really well, doesn't it? That's like four months without... almost four months without winning a game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Well, it's your... it doesn't repeat itself. Yeah. I think I could say that safely say that for all Crystal Powers fans. Yeah. Let's not put the idea in the heads. Let's not mention it. It's because it's already in your head. I'm really worried that I said that. I don't know, the only new season we're not going to go down. Well... Oh, okay. Stuff in it. Well, we do have new cars from Saturday. Oh, no, no way. Yeah, at home. Yeah, you'd rather it's away, don't you? No, absolutely not. We probably would. JT's mood is catching. He's just dragging this all down. We definitely would. I think it was away. It was away. What do pilots do? Because new cars are probably going to come and play very similar to Sunderland, so... I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure they will. I'm not sure they're capable of doing that the way McLaren's got them set up. I think... I just... I think they've got no choice but to... The defense is so... Not in mind, it's a new-classical season ticket. We just say the defense is so... They can't possibly do that. It just hasn't got the organization of skills that Aladice has got. So he thinks there are any chances to try and have a go, which... You'd like to think we'd play into our hands. But then again, Sunderland went forward as an offer as they could last night and that didn't. I just think... I think Newcastle touched with a more brittle team than Sunderland are. I don't think... This is purely based on watching them on TV and talking to my mate. They just don't seem to have the battling qualities that you would expect from an Aladice team. Yeah, based from an Aladice team. They seem to be quite flaky. Well, watch the games against Sunderland, they play racing. They end up playing against Leicester last night. They have zero resilience. Yeah. They don't play bad football times. They've got some okay football. Yeah, yeah. They're sort of one of those things that if you get one goal against them, they drop. Yeah. And if T.O.T. is injured, he's the one in midfield that does do a bit of battling, so... It's going to be interesting to see how we responded after last night, whether it's knocked out confidence or whether and what changes he makes. And I think he will, I think he'll have to make some kind of change. Well, you mentioned the first part of the pod that... Do you think we can all start? No, I don't think he will. I don't think punching will leave it. No. But I can't see Newcastle won't set up the way Sunderland set up. Five at the back. Five at the back. I don't think they... They're not off. Three set in the back, have they? No. They've not got very good defenders at all. But one thing you could say about Kabul and Aishay and Kwates is their experience. They've experienced... Really experienced. Big players. Big guys who won't go hard and every time I've seen Newcastle play this season, they've looked every time, like they wanted to go hiding, whatever, the guy who's got tough. So hopefully that will happen again. Well, on the other hand, I think... I just think we have to go at them like when we're away from all of them. Just the first 20 minutes. Pressure, pressure, pressure. Don't give them a second of the ball and just get that first goal. So you get that first goal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you get that first goal. Everything's going to change. I don't think... I don't think this is make or break from McLaren, because he's got himself cheers on the club and he's on the board. He's going to be hard to sack. But the reaction of the Newcastle fans after that Leicester game, he needs a response from his team. But I'm slightly worried that they will be thinking we're a good team to play next, after the Venerberg game. We have to put a stop to that. So I've got a sneaky feeling that we will bounce back when something will be different. What do you guys change in terms of line up and personnel? Are there any big changes? I'd rest Balesi. I probably wouldn't start with Wickham or Punch. But what do you think will happen? I think he will play Balesi. Yeah, I think... Who do you guys play though? If you were going to punch the rest, then bring in some act. I do think... I don't particularly rate Sakamas, I've said before, but I think Balesi probably needs a rest as well. So I'd probably start Balesi injured. They know I would not be starting Sakamas. Well, he's definitely not. But the thing that Sakam has got that neither Sahar or Balesi has got is brute strength. He's a really big player. Sometimes that works, sometimes for all your tricks and flicks, sometimes just the big ox of a man running at you is what you need. And he does do that, he brings that to you. And also he's quite brave, he physically takes the game to a soul. If he's fit, I would start with Sakamas. He just gives you an energy and a sort of a little bit of fear factor. I think anyone's scared of Balesi in Sahar at the moment, especially not physically. He's getting injured. Because Balesi was very good on his own up front again. No, he was. Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was. He just seems to have... He's injured but not long-term apparently, so... Okay. So perhaps if he's bad, you know, apparently he's had enough in that. You know, I'd imagine that it would offer a different option and mean that you don't have to put quite such pressure on, wicking to be, you know, sort of up and running immediately. I think like J2D early, though, it's not so much the personnel, it's the way it's just momentum and pace and vigor and all the things we lacked. Last night, it was like a preseason. It's like the game against Dundee sometimes. It's just walking pace a lot of time. For me, it's really simple. It's just you get at them for the first two minutes. You just get at them, just push it up, push it up. Use it, just get, just fire all cylinders. A bit of clock breaking press in here. Oh, no, no, no, no. You know, the other thing as well... Have you held football? Yeah, it was interesting. Last night, we didn't mention it. Initially, it was like you look at the program, and Clamberg was supposed to be the referee, you just go, "Oh, well, Claz is no point turning up." The first 20 minutes, he looked like he'd phoned Atkins and up and told him how to manage a palace game. But Atkinson didn't give anything that wasn't. And we were just giving away so many niggly little fouls. And a lot of that was due to frustration. It was just pushes and tugs because he realised it wasn't going our way. Straight away. Punching was, was, gave away a lot of those little niggles, and little needles. So it was just, I think it's just one as you put it down to experience, you move on. You just assume it won't going to happen again. And if it does, then we've got potential problems. Would you bring in Kelly for Ward again? If we had to put it earlier? It's difficult to know how that would change things. It would change things. I'd just think Ward had a difficult night, but we know what a good player is. And it's like, so probably no. It would be my instinct. No, he wouldn't. I don't think he could make too many changes. No, he's not. No, he don't. I don't think he did to make. I mean, I guess the boat needs rocking. Yeah, we don't. The boat is rocking. But having said that, you know, we've come off the back of four points we've made in the Liverpool. So it's not very accurate. Yeah, it's not. It's just frustrating. First, we need to get a point at least on Saturday. We're without a doubt. Otherwise, we are talking about the whole, this fourth league is about momentum. Yeah. And two games do make a difference. Yeah. And you've not switched the players, but the fans as well. If we lose on Saturday, which we could do, I hope we don't, then just imagine the mood around the place and walking out. It's going to be horrible. And the players feel that. The players will feel that as well. It doesn't matter how many years Liverpool are running hard. Yeah. If you lose two games to Sunday Newcastle, then you're going to be pissed off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that home form becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It becomes harder and harder to win at home. Yeah. Because if teams don't turn up at Salas Park, then the least bit worried, then they're going to keep beating us. And we've done this before, where we've beaten good teams and then lost. That's paladin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's paladin over. But we, you know, so we're getting relegated every time we're in the Premier League. So we've changed that. We're both actually. But we've changed that. So we have to change the point. You know, I'd like to get to the situation where we beat Sandlin five, and then when we go, well, that's paladin over. We beat shit teams. That would be nice. I'd like that as well. Yeah. Rather than just going, there's almost a kind of joy about, there's so many palace fairs going, oh, it's like, you know, so I tweeted this, maybe you feel quite nostalgic. It's like, and that's how you deal with it. But it's like, I'd rather not have to do that. I'd rather be nostalgic. Yeah, basically, I'd rather be bouncing out of Salas Park having done what we should do against teams. Yeah, of course. And then let's face it, that's a frustrating thing to know we're near as good a team as we are. It's as simple as that. And we know that Newcastle are not as good a team as palace. Exactly, yeah. And we should, you know, we go into the game and we should get three points. Yeah. On paper, we should get three points. Yeah, it's a big test. They are not a very good team. That's why they're in the bottom three. Yeah. How many times have we said about other teams? How many of their players were getting our team? How many of theirs, ours were getting theirs? Apart from Jermaine Defoe, there's not one Sunderland player that could go. I'll have him. I'll have him instead of, instead of our keeper, instead of our player. Yeah. Not one. And even Jermaine Defoe's, arguably borderline. Yeah. And it's the same with new cars. I can't fit any new cars to play as well, go. Yeah. I'll have him. So we should be beat them. That's the frustration. See what's on paper, haven't that? Yeah. Yeah. That's the frustration. We're not in that. Yeah. It's all right. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Anyway. It'll be, you know what? Let's hope there's not that weird atmosphere like there was last night. It was all done. Probably for an evening game. Yeah. I was really looking forward to you. No, no, it's Monday night. It's always been rubbish. Thanks, Sky. So you did on Sky to that as usual? Oh, is it usual? Well, you would have turned over it afterwards. Yeah, it wasn't great. It wasn't great. Good. Okay. That's it for this week. We'll see you after new cars will gain network. See you. Thanks for listening. Bye. Bye. See you. Bye. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Yeah. Yeah. [BLANK_AUDIO]
Well that was frustrating. The boys are back to talk about the defeat to Sunderland on a cold Monday night at Selhurst as well as to look forward to the Newcastle game.
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